Vigilance Elite - Spec Ops Dude's Favorite Combat Rifle Zero
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- Shawn Ryan gives his opinion on what his favorite zero is when using holographic sights. The video starts off covering 5.56 holds (2.5" high) for close range 7 yards and in with holographic red dot sights. Moving on to the traditional zeros and holds the 25yd, 50yd, 100yd and the non traditional 36yd zero. Shawn explains the 36yd zero and why it is his personal favorite.
Ballistic Calculations were calculated off of 5.56 55gr FMJ for the reason that it is the most common type of range ammo.
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Nice! Thanks for the info. To me the 36 yard zero is a no-brainer.
Poe Performance Right on man!
I like it....
How much does the 36yd zero change if you go from 62gr to 55gr ammo? Significant or negligible?
All this is variable. Weight of bullet, speed, altitude, and humidity all play factors. Gotta do your homework and know your exact factors.
Poe Performance that's the zero (36 yard) I used in the marine corps. As a cop I use a 50.
He catered to us and took the time to design a 25 yard target for free. That's fucking awesome! Support this guy for sure, he deserves it. I'm irate youtube took this long to recommend.
Thank you 🙏🏻
I am too. And I had to search for it
@@ShawnRyanShow I finally got to try it, took it out to 300yrds! Video up on my channel.
@@ShawnRyanShow Hey Shawn just wondering if you could provide some way to do this with 77gr rounds.
@@dirtyharry2029 on his page he explains the 77gr is .7 inches below POA instead of .72 inches with the 55gr.
4 yrs later still probably the best explanation of zeroing for my purposes. Thanks!
Outstanding, Sir, thank you!
Was in the military 33 years and that is the best explanation I’ve ever heard. Thank you.
Thank you for your service
You're a legend Ron. Thanks for serving our nation.
Who else comes back and re-watches this video whenever it shows up again in their algorithm list? I think I've watched this thing four times. Still fun and informative. Maybe I'm just slow.
Yup!
Me2.😎
I can't even count how many times I have forwarded to others.
Every chance I get. He tells the tactical truth. Very mater of fact type instructor 😏👌
Did you seriously make a printable 25 yard target perfect for the indoor range so we can do this? Awesome, man. Thanks a ton.
Dylan C what a stud move. This is a lifesaver
or just use any target at 25yd and make your rounds hit 1" low..same thing
@@TimKollat have small backyard, from inside bedroom window to retaining wall I have 65-68feet(around 22 yards) would I just lower another inch- 2 inches total? (I just got that site mark 500 laser bore sighter) Hey thanks, I will be voting Pro 2A this election!
14.5” DDM4A1 w/ eotech xps2 and this works fantastic. Sighted in 36 & immediately moved to 300 and punched steel. Aimed for the middle of a 9x16 plate and heard nothing but dings. This video is truth.
Johnny Doe that’s awesome to hear man. Cheers 🍻
Nice setup, what ammo did you use?
Dirty Steve federal xm193.
Why the 14.5?, just curious
Tryed it with a 7.5" barrel but gotta hold a little higher due to ballistic differences. It was expected
"Breaking the line here a little bit Manny." Gotta love that dry ass humor from Shawn. ROFL. 2:48
I bet if we taught military concepts dealing with mathematics in grade school, young boys would be more interested in math and science. The word problems would be pretty gruesome though.
Hell yah learning ballistics
I’m 13 I would have a 110% in math
I agree
Or sports
That is why I sucked at Math from elementary until College where a Professor taught us real world applications to calculus.
I tested this out yesterday. Tested it with a DDM4V7. 1 &7 twist. With fiocchi 55grn. FMJ. Started at 25 went to 300yards. Came out exactly the way it was shown here. Awesome zero.
I just shot my DDM4V7 out to 300 yards for the first time a few weeks ago, and was surprised to see how dead on this zero was!
Sweet! I’ve got the same rifle, I’ll do the 36 zero as well.
@@3wholepunchjim are you serious? He literally answers this with his free target.
What size paper did you print the target? 8.5x11?
Thanks for testing this instead of just eating up information. I guess I'll be looking at this zero as well. :)
Former Army Ranger here (1985-1993), still love to shoot at 52 Years young, and living in Arizona affords me the opportunity to do so. This zero is amazing to say the least! Thanks for taking time to make this video and the targets as well. Thanks for your service brother, since 9/11, I always slept good at night knowing guys like you were out there doing what you do.
Just moved here, just got into guns and long range shooting as well, I say let's keep it this way.
Just had 3 days in QV. The Sherrif showed up Friday put up a big tent and we shot together.
When people give detailed instructions like this Hero does, there should be no excuse to understand fully!!! Thank you 🙏
Baby killers are not heroes.
@@mikebastiat Glad to see you are Pro-Life. Maybe we were watching a different video than you, but those targets were not babies. They were simulated potential enemies. You probably should just thank the Shawn for his service and courage while you were here protesting. Just sayin
@@mikebastiat who’s killin babies?
@@borrago lol yes, thank you for the correction!
@@mikebastiat...... you're the biggest IDIOT I've ever seen on the internet!
Shawn, thank you for taking the time to give us this video AND the target! Invaluable information! Been out of the service since 81, finally got off my ass, paid the price for a mass pre ban (I know, I know) and finally find this on your TH-cam channel. GREAT INFORMATION! Just printed out my targets and heading for the range. Currently zero'd at 30 yards and cant wait to re-zero!! Thank you Sir!! Now, if i can just find some damn ammo!
Interesting stuff, never seen a 36 yard zero before but makes sense
For the record, this video alone has increased my accuracy 100 fold. Thank you, Shawn.
Really great information! Thank you for taking the time to educate people on the different zeros and how they differ. 36 yards definitely seems like a no brainer when broken down like that. I appreciate you taking the time and considering that the vast majority of indoor ranges only go to 25 yards. Having that target to zero it in will definitely make things easier! Keep up the amazing work man I love your channel and what you do and represent!
I’ve been using 36 yard zero for years now. Every class I go to the instructor asks everyone what their rifles are zerod for. Most everyone is 50/100. I always get the hmmm face from the instructor when I say 36. It works for me and is a no brainer all day. Dead on at 300 aim high 400-600… 🙌🏽
Sure bro
@@JackBurton7130 take that cck out of your mouth before talking to me please.
Hands down the best zero vid I’ve ever watched. Keep up the good work! I know how much time goes into these, so just know other creatives appreciate the effort!
The Helix Corner
This comment motivates the hell out of me. Thank you.
absolutely man. Gotta give credit and encouragement where its due!
Brent 0331 has a good one, also, about this same sort of subject. One of the better I've seen. Not explicitly about zeroing but about effective reticle usage and what each hash means, etc... Basically an extension of this vid.
Edit: Turns out it was a review of an ACSS reticle and some other stuff...ACOGs and more. Link below. I apologize in advance if anything in this is wrong or misleading or if I shouldn't have posted a link to somebody else's channel.
th-cam.com/video/OksBIvXvSoI/w-d-xo.html
Did you guys check that video in the link I left? It's an extremely good video, IMO. But then, I didn't know any of that and wouldn't know if any of it was incorrect.
Agreed. As a civilian, I'd never even considered this and always sighted to 50 or 100. VERY good information, thank you!
You made the concept of zeroing a hell of a lot simpler, for a hell of a lot of folks. Nice visual representation of the trajectory spread/POI at distance. Keep up the awesome vids. Thanks brother
This is by far the BEST explanation on zeroing. Thank you for calculating and showing the bullet impact at different yardage. I personally have my rifle set to 50 yrd and to visually see where the bullets could land is going to make it so much easier to picture and calculate holds if needed. Thanks for sharing you knowledge and experience with us and hoping for your continued success with the podcast man.
Awesome, this is exactly what i was looking for! Thank you for giving us that target especially without asking anything in return for it, that's a huge contribution to the community although most may not realize the significance of it. Semper fi
Firstly, I want to thank you for taking the time to create a target and put it on your web page for all of us to use. I really do appreciate it.
Thank you! I've watched about 3 other videos before this, and they all managed to convolute the information and make it harder to understand. You kept it extremely simple, and your chart was VERY helpful. Best EoTech zeroing information on TH-cam.
I always just thought about aiming a couple inches high at 7yd. I never considered the bottom part of eotech reticle might be there for a reason. I learned something new today 👍🏼
Yeah dude that’s what the hash marks on that circle reticle are for. Just like on a duplex reticle you can use the point where the crosshair goes from thick to thin. There’s usually a little arrow or triangle there. That’s what it’s for
Ya, same with the top mark and the sides for leading depending on distance and speed of target obviously, but, it’s all part of the process, time at the range lends itself to real world uses and becomes muscle memory once you know your weapons details. I love the 36 yard zero tho. It becomes instinctual fast and easy.
Fantastic, guess who's re-zeroing their rifle today? Nice hot ending.
rsuninv awesome!
I got too many rifles to rezero ;)
@@er98ah can only use one rifle at a time... ;)
Armoured Outlaw I got a big family, ain’t nobody coming to my farm for steak ;)
Thank you for taking the time to explain this - Your thoughts, work, and videos are super appreciated and inspiring at the same time.
I watched this over a year ago and came back to it so I could forward to some friends and ended up watching it all again good work appreciate your efforts and help to the community
Sean, printed out the target to 8.5 x 11 inch, took it to the range and damn what a great zero. Your holds were right on. Thank you for taking the time Sean!!! (The old 24th inf dude in the northeast). Made my damn day
Does how high you have your optic mounted make a difference where you aim on the target? I have a Holosun 510C with the 1/3 riser.
The sound of disgust @ 2 minutes and 50 seconds "your breaking the line a little bit here manny" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well, for a rifle at that distance with a great optic that was a sorry group. MOA that and you missed a man size target. The dude was taking his time and I was wondering why is he shooting so slow for 7 yards but after seeing the group I realized this guy is a new shooter.
Nerves kick up a little when you have cameras pointed at you too.
I must say this 36 yard zero is amazing. I re-zeroed mine standard red dot to it last weekend and what a difference,, it flat works.
Down to your voice the intro , the space you take between words . It Al gives that feeling of home , of familiarity , comfort, safe, the feeling of when you get home . Your show brings that type of peace .
I just started 3 gun a month ago. The long range stages I’ve shot have given me problems and I didn’t know why. I was zeroed at 25 yds because even for all my research, it’s what I was told was best. No wonder I’ve been having issues with a 4” plate at 150 yards!! Even with a big hold under, I’ve been WAY high. Now I know. And knowing is 1/2 the battle. Much appreciated for all this info!! This week I’ll be heading back to the range to zero my rifle again. Im super stoked for my next 3 gun match!! Thanks so much!!
This is bonkers. More technical videos like this would be more than appreciated. When you combine experience, top-knowledge and right-sized candor, people learn and change quick. Great stuff.
Roger that lol
Great video, clearly explained. I've watched it 3 times over the past year testing and figuring out different zero's. Thanks!
Thanks for making the target! After doing some research, I decided that when I upgrade my optic I'm going to try the 36 yard zero and I'm glad I found your video. Your chart made so much more sense than looking at bullet trajectory line graphs.
Thank you for the information. Just bought my first rifle and looking for what the best zero would be on an Eotech and this was the most straightforward comparison between all the popular zeros I could find. Always delivering quality content. Thank you 🙏
I have always used the 50 yard zero. Just having to zero at less then 50 is fanfreakingtastic with my eyes getting older. Gonna try that 36 yard zero. Thanks. Much appreciated
Sam Thomas I think this will work well for you. The 50 is also a good zero though.
Set target at 10 yards and shoot. Point of impact will be 1.9 inch below the point of aim....now your zero is set to a 50 yard zero
You're welcome
@@ShawnRyanShow thanks for what you do and I Glad you made it back home Brother
@@robertsalyers1351 Thanks!
@@ShawnRyanShow will this be different for a 45° offset reddot?
Thanks man, we did 36 yard zero in the Marines but were never really told why. Since I've been out, I zeroed my rifle at 100 but had no idea the actual hold pattern.... cant wait to take this target to the indoor range and get it zeroed properly. Can't say thank you enough for the awesome content and making this target (you must be a physics genius).
That or just did a Google search for 25 vs 36 yard zero. It's been out for a few decades.
@@wilcoxtactical3716 Obviously it's been out but the ability to explain the science behind it is what's valuable. Sure he may be regurgitating stuff he read/heard or..... he's a closeted physics genius
@Tyler-vw9bh The 100 yard zero isn’t bad at all. It’s like a laser pointer out to 200 yards. As far as holds go, always hold high. Worst case scenario is that your shot is 2” low.
Shawn, I finally got the chance to get out and work on this for my rifle. Thanks for the info as well as the target set up... helps us out there in the real world a ton when folks like you can assist!
Thanks for the heads up. I’ve got mine zeroed there and have coached all my family and friends using this video. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
This video explains why a 36 yard zero is a damn good zero! Thank you guys for all of your knowledge sharing!
36 yard zero for Milk Dud box sized group out to 300? sign me up
Stephen Pepper Hahaha why would you shoot milk duds? 😂
@@ShawnRyanShow have you ever eaten a milk dud?! Damn things are chewy rocks. He better watch it will probably ricochet off them hard bastards 😂
Fun sized rf movie theatre sized?
Mmm Milk Duds
@David Liu same question. B 1/8 wpns platoon 0341.
almost 3 years after this and im just finding this.....this is good stuff man thanks so much
This is easily the best and simplest explanation of zeroing I've found. Thank you, Shawn. Excellent work.
Cant wait to thank you in person finally ,We'll I'm planning a trip to see you guys! Almost done saving my lunch money and have cut back on duds to 1 box a day ,just trying to fig out the headache from driving all my gear/guns/rounds/mags /crayons /ect. through different states and laws (alot) lol .maybe you could help out with a quick vid on that?I'm for Utah so atleast i dodged the cali bullet lol thanks again guys ,great vid as always and stay safe brothers!
RISKY BIZKUTS It will be awesome to train with you. I’d start by googling reciprocity laws of the states you’re driving through.
Best explanation I have ever seen on youtube (over the past 10 years) on how to zero your rifle. Keep up the good work .
That's awesome to hear man. Thank you
Keep up the great Vids man!
I've never heard of a 36 yard zero but this was one of the best explanations of real world sighting I've ever heard... and thanks for the free target.
Thank you so much for breaking this down so succinctly. I did not have a complete understanding of what i should be doing to zero my AR but felt like 100 yards was good for me. I was not planning on hitting targets much beyond that. With your clear explanation, it makes total sense to zero at 36 yards. Thank you again.
I've been doing about 1/2 inch low at 25 for years. Basically the same. I like hitting what I'm aiming at. Great video.
Thank you for tuning in. Cheers
Dude, thank god you exist. Seriously, you’re gifted at teaching!
Dude. Hands down the most informative video about zeros I’ve ever seen. In a 5 year old video at that. Seems like a topic that not to many other people are smart enough to teach people through a video.
It’s important to know this is with a lower 1/3 optic height. The ballistic curve of your bullet changes drastically depending on the height of the mount. Using a Unity Fast mount or similar changes your spread pretty significantly…
Would the principle of zeroing it how the video shows still apply?
@@karlieacevedo1051 no. This “36 yard zero” principle only applies to a lower 1/3rd optic mount with the ammo and barrel length Shawn is using. Change any one of those factors and your point of impact will change at each distance. Just know your own data for your own setup thats all.
Great topic, and best explanation I've ever heard to prove the point. Many thanks!
Thank you for tuning in. Cheers
I can't believe I did not know this.... Thank you for explaining this and making so easy to follow. I will be printing the target and dialing it in at the indoor range. Good stuff and thanks again!
The absolute best video I've seen on the effect of different zeros for a 5.56 / 223. Thank you !!
This is Great information well explained and shown this will help anyone with zeroing questions !
James Heeney Thank you 🙏
Excellent! I know this was one of the most painful videos for you to make, but it was one of your best...
Thank you man.
Man, great info. You say it's not easy to explain but I feel like everything was explained/displayed very well so that even a novice like myself could understand. Thanks a bunch!
This is an awesome video. I have used your target to sight in my rifle. It works great. I use it for close range coyotes, sometimes they seem to pop out of nowhere. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Excellent video with invaluable information, thank you!
When you started talking about the different zeroes you said you did the math for the most popular zeros for the 5.56 caliber. Can you share what formula you used to do the math so that I can calculate how other calibers behave, including PCCs calibers? And if the length of the barrel matters, it would be nice to see that in the formula.
Thanks again!
This guy is totally thinking “ what camera should I look at”
Thank you so much for this information.
Just used the 36 yard zero target today at my local range. It worked perfectly. Thanks a bunch for everything you do Shawn
How many clicks per MOA at 36 yards if you have a 0.5 adjustment optic?
Thank you for taking the time. Never heard of this before I saw this video. Love the 36 ydr working great on my rifles!
Well hot damn! That makes a lot of sense! Thank you for giving me some actual, sensible, tried and true info. So much better than some Tacti-cool dude or some armchair expert.
I like the 36 yard however, training with LE over the last 20 years, we have to work to the lowest common denominator. We stood with 50 yard zero.
The main reason is the splits that you indicated. We are not as likely to engage out to 300 except for our SWAT guys. Also, it makes the optics adjustments easier to teach... Again, lowest common denominator.
Great info, thanks Shawn
Appreciate the info on 7 yard with red dot. Very helpful. My indoor range makes us use their targets so I will have to go to my nearest outdoor range to dial in the optics. Thanks guys!
This is exactly what I was hoping to find. I hadn't seen the 36 yard zero during my research, but I was looking for the magic zero point to find the tightest group up to 300 yards. Thanks for this!
"He once made a flamethrower out of a fire extinguisher and an empty box of milk duds, Shawn Ryan the most interesting man in the world."
Fred Davis Haha 😂
The new most interesting man in the world sucks.... Shawn would be so much better.
haha Thanks.
Love the breakdown of this video! Does this apply, pretty closely, to other grains (62, 69, 77) or strictly 55gr? I’m assuming this would apply to irons, but figured I’d be the one to ask?
I just found out about this guy this morning while cruising the comments section on someone else channel. At about the 1:00 mark, I paused and subscribed. Learned more in 10 fricking minutes than in hours of watching others. Seriously felt like I was in a "classroom" environment. When I find out how your channel is supported, you WILL get mine. Thank you sir.
Yeah I wish he wasn't on the opposite side of the country from me, because I would take all his classes if I lived close
Appreciate the info and the targets. Tested this on my rifled, sighted in at 25 yards using the target...jumped over to a 300 known distance and was hitting 8" steel with no holds.
F••k, time to re zero all my s••t. At least you did me the solid of making a 25 yard target.
The neatest takeaway for me from this video was the realization that the distance you shoot to zero your rifle, and your actual zero (and bullet trajectory) can be different.
I would struggle to tightly zero a red dot at 50 or 100 yards. At 10 or 25 yards it gets a lot easier.
Obviously you want to confirm your close range zero lines up with your longer shots, but this will make the zeroing process considerably easier.
I’ve seen a lot of these videos and this is the best one I’ve seen. Cool perspective, and very interesting.
I'm glad this hasn't been shadowbanned yet! I need to sight in my red-dot properly this week, and I'm gonna use this method! Thank you again, SR!
THIS video just made me a subscriber! Excellent description of the different zero's. One question, what zero do you recommend for my AR-10 chambered in .308 (7.62x51mm NATO)? I have always gone with the 100yd zero on most of my rifles but I'll be damned if your explanation of the 36yd zero was very compelling! A reply would be greatly appreciated but I know with all you do I may not get an answer and that is ok to, at least I tried. Keep up the great work and definitely look forward to watching more of your past videos and the videos yet to come.
Thank you for tuning in. Cheers
I'm not Shawn, but maybe I can help. Shawn is explaining a modern update of what a hunter would call "maximum point-blank range" or a soldier "battlesight zero." The idea is to set up your weapon - your rifle and cartridge - with the zero that provides the flattest trajectory out to the maximum range possible, based upon the size of the target or vital zone - in order to minimize the need for sight adjustments when under time pressure. Let's use the old M-1 Garand and its 30-06 M2 Ball (FMJ) cartridge as an example. The typical military silhouette (target) is assumed to have a shoulder width of 18-20 inches. An M-1 NM front sight post measures .062" wide, or eight moa, which also corresponds to twenty inches at 250 yards. Meaning that the width of the front sight post corresponds exactly to the BSZ of the Garand using M2 150-grain ammunition. That means our WWII G.I. with his Garand set to its BSZ mark on the elevation wheel can simply hold center-mass on any target inside of 250 yards with reasonable assurance of getting a first-round hit. And he knows whether or not the target in or outside 250 yards because of the width of his front sight post in comparison to the target. It acts as a range-finder determining the maximum extent of battle-sight zero or maximum point-blank range. ARs are generally set up with a 300 meter BSZ, meaning that the iron sights are typically set with a 25-meter zero, which provides center-mass hits on a std. silhouette out to 300m. Again, your front sight post is a crude range finder. Past 300m, you are expected to dial in the elevation on the elevation adjustment wheel of the rear carry-handle sight. If you are using an optic, if the manufacturer does not specify a zero-range, then you have some latitude to determine what works best for you. That question can best be answered by what your task (mission or use) is, the range at which you expect to shoot, and the size of your target and its vital zone. Two things make determining MPBR or BSZ easier - knowing the muzzle velocity of your chosen cartridge/load, and access to decent ballistic software program. Assuming .308 150-grain FMJ-BT at 2750 fps, using a 36-yard zero would give you a trajectory with +/- 3 inches out to 250m, and +/- 6 inches out to 300 meters. With an optic, that would probably work - but in the case of traditional iron sights, the owners manual is probably your best bet.
The Holosun Circle-Dot sights are the same set-up. Love the 7 yard bottom of the circle. Makes it so much better for the Line of Sight over bore issue.
Shawn Ryan is not only a war hero but a hero for 1st A freedom and speech and has impacted countless lives with what we all need to know. 🇺🇸
Take a shot of tequila every time he says “7 yards and in”
Mylifeonearth I would not recommend that. 😂
no thanks man, not tryin to die today
haha
That's all the excuse I needed to drink
I’d rather take my chances with a shot to the credit card...
Great information as always the 36 is a true winner I will be signing in on that now thanks very much
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Love it. Thank you for the targetry. Also, just bought a sponsor product (spiced salt) with your promo code. You are killing it.
I don't Math in public and I sure as hell only have a rudimentary understanding of ballistics, but this video and zero proved to be a game changer for my shooting. Can't believe I'd never heard of this zero before. Thanks Shawn!
Love this Zero. Been running it for about a year and it’s amazing. Every training glass I go to people are having these big Zero conversations and they think this sounds crazy until I’m ringing steel and hitting T zones all day faster than them. Then it’s .... what was the whole 36 yd Zero again ? Thanks brother !
Hands down best video for zeroing. Hell yeah I'm doin this!
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I gave the 36 yard zero a try. It’s awesome ! Definitely the way to go. Thank you very much !
AWESOME! Great demonstration and thanks for taking the time to do it and for the target!
Shawn, Great explanation of using a 36yd zero. Question: What type of ammo would you say holds that zero / spread over distance best? Is there a particular grain that would help keep a tighter group over that 25-300yd range? I've seen some others dive into the weeds in this area. I like your no-bs, to the point approach to keeping it as simple as can be. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. Thanks again for ALL your service and hard work in your channel. Keep up the awesome content.
I think Shawn stated in a different video he prefers black hills 77g. Flatter trajectory.
@@tallen8745 says 5.56 55 gr on the target - t
The Marine Corps has used a 36yd zero for a long time, specifically because of wanting POA/POI engagements out to 300yds.
KnifeHand03 surprised this is a surprise to people ... army uses this zero as well it’s what the M16A2 elevation adjustments were made for
@@g496r500t The Army use the 25/300 which is what the A2/A4 sights are designed around. To get this zero, it's also necessary to have your rear sight bottomed out as opposed to 3 or 2 clicks up respectively while zeroing.
Didnt use it in the early 90s
KnifeHand03 dont know when you were in but they were still doing 36 yd bzo from ‘06-‘11 for our A2’s and A4’s
Yes 36 yard B.Z.O. for a general rule but the infantry rifleman is also more advanced trained in windage and elevation and marksmanship than ur average seal. I know people will blast me on that but it's just a true fact. Seals are bad ass operators. But Marines are professional riflemen and infantry that's literally our bread and butter. seals dont learn marksmanship in buds.. they get exposed to that later during their seal quals..and even then its mostly a C.Q.B. world for most seals. Except for the seals snipers or machine gunners. Where as Marines we have D.M.R (designated riflmen) and of course ur 0311 rifleman who's an expert at his M-16 rifle with respect to windage and elevation and setting dope in the sights for the various ranges of engagement out to 500 yards... I always say just look on TH-cam how many seal TH-cam videos show long range shooting as it pertains to seals? Its almost always some C.Q.B. stuff.. theys their expertise...room clearing and urban M.O.U.T stuff jungle stuff. All short range engagements..
Ita not a slam against seals at all their bad ass dudes.
Its just that Marines have a different mission and the 0311 rifleman must be trained to k ow his rifles capabilities out to its maximum effective ranges and that begins in Bootcamo for Marine recruits at the rifle range where EVERY single Marine recruit learns Marksmanship and qualifies with his rifle at 200, 300 and 500 yards respectively.. who else does that in the Unites states Military??? In recruit training???? No one else does that at all Army, Navy or airforce or Coastguard.. U.S. Army recruits get good Rifletraining too at Fort Benning Georgia but only qualify out to 300 yards for their rifle badge.. NAVY? not even in buds do they even fire their rifles other than just familiarization towards the end of buds. that comes after buds
Then Marines do. M.C.T. and then sustainment rifle training our entire Marine corps careers. Even if its four years. Ur getting out of service with 5 rifle qualifications (1) in Bootcamp then one or year til.u E.A.S. out back into the 1st civil div..... the only way ur waved is if ur in a "B" billet.. like Embassy duty/ or D.I. duty or Barracks duty.. or recruiting duty.. then ur rifle qualifications are waved without harming your promotion score.....or of course if ur ON DEPLOYMENT in a combat zone..or on ship..
I'm here because of your instagram post. Thanks for explaining it so well. really makes sense.
The most underrated “tactical” or “firearms” or “survival” (whatever you want to call it) channel on TH-cam. There are a lot of channels out there putting out information that just simply isn’t right, sometimes even dangerous. Everything, all the information from Vigilance Elite is money. I trust Shawn, and Vigilance with my life. Any advice/information that Vigilance is putting out = accurate, trustworthy, life saving, time saving stuff. Thank You!
Very well explained , and saves the shooter a lot of guessing. Thanks
Leonard Janda hbfkcvvg
Indeed, Travis Haley made a video just like this also.
Thank you man. I’m glad you got something out of it.
@@chickensandwich1589 yes but if I recall correctly, the video had some information backwards, and the video was pulled due to this.
Good Info on offset and 36 yd zero thank you
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These are more for C.Q.B. zeroes. Because of ur trying to get good marksmanship at 200-250- 300-350- 400 and 450 and 500 yards.... u need to dial in ur windage and elevation on your Clicks which is usually 1/4" movement per click for every 100 yards. So donur 36 yard Zero.. which sets u up decently but then u need to know ur 200, 300 and 400, and 500 yard adjustments. So u can quickly. Put that dope on ur rifle once u determine the threats diatance from your position.. then u dont have to walk ur rounds into the bad guy. U can get 1st shot hits.
B4 he gets u...
If theres 1/2 value wind and full value wind then u need to know that too for ur windage adjustments for the same reason so that ur not doing Kentucky windage (guess work) a well trained rifleman will know how to make wind calls and range calls and then dial in his dope and get shots on target without guessing.. guessing is for amateurs....
U need to shoot alot and various distances out to 500 yards and get to know ur rifle and its strengths and weaknesses..for the caliber for instance 5.56mm in Okinawa during a doggone Teopical monsoon type condition I shot expert on the range making my own wind calls and Dope changes because as a Marine rifleman I'm expected to know that. Ur not gonna have a coach over your shoulder in conbat.. saying ur hitting high and to the right. Give me 8 clicks left windage and 5 clicks down elevation... ur gonna have to know that data book and know how to be a doggone professional rifleman...
One thing I saw as a factual thing in my 21 years in the Marine corps, is simply this. The Marines corps teaches rifle marksmanship
More completely than any other branch of service.
spnsonce seals are doing alot of C.Q.B.their does are usually dictated by Eotechs and Aimpoints.. So the longer range shooting is more for a seal sniper hutbthw average seal do dosnt engage longer range threats at like 300 plus yards. Ots just not the seal squads typical engagement. If so then they have a seal sniper or a seal machine gunner to cover their movement as they either break contact with the linger range threat or they maneuver for a better tactical advantage..
But the Marine rifle squad will typically have a D.M.R. designated marksman.. and a automatic rifleman (M'249S.A.W. gunner) and your other Marine 0311 in the rifle squad are all basically trained riflemen who can engage short- medium- and longer range threats as needed by their M-16 rifles by setting the appropriate dope on their rifles. From hours of practice. That's what a doggone rifleman must know its his professional career. .
But seals?? Their small teams of C.Q.B. specialists. Who usually take down targets up close. (Within 150 meters)
That's just typical it's not always the case. Even in dick Marcincos Best seller "Rogue warrior " he spoke about how his seals needed to practice shooting at night and at various distances because they didnt automatically know how to hit their targets at night or at unknown distance out to 300+ yards. Because it's not taught at B.U.D.s buds isnt about marksmanship it's about physical and mental discipline and toughening up the potential seal to see if he can deal with adverse conditions COLD, WET, TIRED, HUNGRY, SANDY, Exhausted etc..and still complete the mission objectives. . Buds IS NOT an infantryman course. It's a LETS WEED OUT THE QUITTERS course... ask any seal he won't say any different. .
You explained it very well. I bought an Eotech EXPS 3 for myself and a friend of mine. We use your 36 yard zero and are very happy with it.
Just a quick update on my end. I placed a target at 36 yards today and shot my M-4 carbine there. Turned out to be dead zeroed where you recommend. Interestingly I also have a Model 1896/11 Swiss rifle. It is sporterized and scoped. Very accurate, but it requires a specialized scope mount because it's a top-ejecting straight pull, chambered in .308. It just so happens that the center of the reticle is right at 2.7 inches above the bore center. At 36 yards, guess what? Lol, it is zeroed. I verified your ballistics at 100 and again at 300 yards. That .308 with 150 grain soft points shot the same trajectory as the 5.56 rounds did. This is just a validation of your information here. So again, thanks for the great video.
I did not know that about the 308 man. Thank you for putting that out. I'm stoked to hear you like the zero.
@@ShawnRyanShow It might not work on a typical .308/7.62 since most of them will have the scope lower than this Swiss rifle. But on a K31, M1911, or a 96/11 it sure does the trick.
Great info. But yeah, I believe 2.5" above center bore is not too common. For instance, I've got ARs that are more like 1.5". I will have to do my own test and report back with results for this difference of our bore centers. Good info, Doby.
@@yellowmanusa Just zeroed my G3 at 36 yards a couple of days ago. I used the 200 meter aperture since my old eyes like aperture sights rather than the open "V" 100 meter notch. Again, out to 250 I was destroying water filled half gallon milk jugs. At 330 I used the 300 aperture, and at 400 the correct aperture kicked in. Pretty cool.
Fantastic follow-up, Doby. I am going to log this info in my books. Good to know, and thanks a bunch.
Excellent!
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I have been using the 50 yard zero for a while but I'm liking that 36 yard zero better! I think I'm going to check it out! Thanks brother!
Your video has sold me on a 36yd Zero. Thanks for the video, and thanks for the target!!!
Love how you have a tourniquet on the stock of the rifle
Thanks
Need to watch this when i am sober. Great video but the math is making my head spin lol
hahaha