The Fallout show proves that the Halo show would have been a success if Chief kept his helmet on. Keep the same awful plot, writing and characters. Just leave the helmet on. Bet anything the Redditors and tourists would have loved it.
Very true. As the show only need to look like the brand to sell, regardless if it's well cared for or not. That's why you have the fools who cry on their own doing, the fools will get what they asked for.
@ShimmyFr Even if you don't like Avellone you can't deny that his works are very distinct and are trying to say something or portray an idea of some sort, or interesting concept. People talk about Ulysses, Kotor 2, Planescape Torment up to this day.
2:33 The series brings up Hegelian Dialectics, Christian Mormon attitudes towards pacifism, technophobia, the danger of historic nostalgia, the Great Man theory, freedom versus security, statism versus anarchy etc. just to name a few. Along with the key theme of the entire game being the violent tendencies of mankind. What the hell would you call that if not a game series concerned with philosophy? And don't forget the best philosophical question: do I nuke a town for lulz!
Ulysses' final message to you genuinely tears me up every time I hear it, not because it's sad or anything, but because how powerful I find it both terms of the question of how we can solve human conflict, as well as the perfect monologue to wrap up the entire series. That's why I consider Lonesome Road the perfect END of the Fallout trilogy.
Fallout has never really thoroughly explored Anarchism vs Statism (horizontalism vs hierarchy). There arent many anarchist/democratic factions. The Followers are one i can think of. But it would be intresting if Fallout actually explored anarchism/socialism instead of just having wholesome chungus oligarchy and le epic far-right authoriterians that want to nuke everyone.
The funniest thing to come out of all this is Todd coming out and saying they respect and do their due diligence with the timeline and lore and people believing him You know the company that literally had the opinion we’re not beholden to something someone wrote 20 years ago and not caring about consistency in a franchise with the silly ghouls and super mutants
And then that whole emil pagliarulo debacle with "Nate the rake". Immediately backpedaling once people rightfully called him out on his bullshit. Hell, I would have preferred if he had stuck to his principles and maintained that warcriminal Nate was now, somehow, canon, in a story that allows for players to create their own main characters and therefore has no canon player character. By backpedaling and immediately disproving his own claim that nate was a war-criminal, he blatantly proved that whether the lore makes sense doesn't matter to this guy. He and todd just like stuff that is cool in the moment, damned be the consequences. The lore is just a vehicle for them to explore cool ideas. Which makes sense in theory, but when put in practice by clowns that don't RESPECT that lore, it's a writing nightmare. Todd's argument that they did their due dilligence also makes no sense. He hasn't outright disproven the counter-arguments to that, he just says "trust me bro", and some people somehow treat that as gospel. The truth of the matter is that the blackboard scene and the "vault tec nuked shady sands" crap is downright ridiculous, contradictory to the lore, and even if it weren't, it would still be bad writing, plain and simple. No amount of pretended "due diligence" can cover that up. Though apparantly, for a ton of show consumers, I guess it can.
76 is way better than RoS. It's not like the rest, but it stands on its own merits. It's just too bad it was completely undevelop garbage. 76 was the clarion call of hell. Should've made everyone suspicious of the gaming industry.
We Fallout fans are literally that one meme at this point. ''How does it feel to live long enough to see all your favourite franchises go down in flames?'' ''Feels great''
What annoys me the most is how people keep excusing bad writing in the show with video game logic. Like Maximus being an 'idiot savant' because its a perk in Fallout 4. Video game logic doesn't make for good writing when it comes to characters. Just because I can use the 357. magnum to fly in New Vegas doesnt mean it makes for good storytelling and makes sense in the world. These people could see a character get their head blown off clean and then appear fine in the next scene and they'd justify it by saying they loaded a quicksave.
@@yarus5889Genuine cartoon logic. That scene alone is so stupid , the fact that even that is getting coped for speaks volumes about the modern Fallout fanbase.
I mean the video game logic they use isn't accurate. They apply the concept of Luck from Fallout the video game, to what we consider real world luck, but if we want to justify writing using Video game mechanics - well, thats not how mechanics work. Idiot Savant doesn't just drop success on you if you do stupid things. Idiot Savant gives you extra XP based on how low your INT score is, meanwhile INT gives you steady extra EXP. Idiot savant gives you random bonus EXP. ACcording to game mechanics smart character levels up better across the board, while idiot savant levels up more, but in unreliable random bursts. Leveling up in fallout 4 means picking up perks. Progression of Savant is unreliable and all over the place, while high INT character just picks up new skills regularly faster. This is not how this is in the show, Maximus never learns something or improves. Luck in fallout games doesn't affect plot progression. It affects gambling, chance of success in certain affairs, and special random encounter, and in 3 and NV gives a slight bonus to all skills. It doesn't make yo encounter Benny randomly while travelling to the desert. It makes reaching Benny easier because you are just very slightly better at everything, and sometimes do lucky hits at the enemy that deal more damage. It doesn't make you stumble upon Geck randomly in Fallout 2. It makes all your dice rolls a bit better, and increases chances of special random encounters that might benefit you on your quest. Luck in fallout have never been about reality literally bending over you. 10 luck doesn't means everything just comes your way, it just means that odds are slightly more in your favor when you try to do something, but you still need to actually good at thing you are doing.
Who dafuq cites a Wikia article as canon, much less brags about consuming Wikia and Fallout YT? If you're going to lie to establish your appeal to authority, at least say you've been a fan of the game going back to 1997 and how you liked BoS and Tactics. But, these tourists can't even do a good job at lying.
The fuck do you mean who does that? Who doesn't? Who the fuck goes to talk about a topic without doing the bare minimum and reading about the topic like 5 minutes?
The state of Fallout can be summarized in the words of The Master: 'There is no hope ... Leave while you still have hope' I'd like to add a 'right now' for the quote, as you said no matter how big the fire is it eventually extinguish itself. Also the Sonic comparison, pretty good.
EE: "Enclave Emily here, why isn't your video feed working?" Bethesda fanboy: "Is this Bethesda pre order phone line? I'd like to pre order Fallout 5, with extra slob please!" EE: "Who the? Why I, I SHOULD KICK YOUR ASS, WHO IS THIS?!"
I thought I was mad when I endured all eight episodes of Fallout show and deemed it to be bad while the majority of the internet seems to support the show unironically. Then I realized the fact that we're simply being outnumbered 15 to 1.
@@rogerloger1935 yeah we don’t need good writing or any sort of actual talent. All that is needed is iconography slop. What a great state of affairs we should defend and encourage.
Remember how everyone loved Force Awakened when it came out? Now you'd be hard pressed to find someone that will admit they liked it? The Fallout show will be like that in time - Just like Fallout 4.
I've only seen the inverse, the older Fallout 4 gets the more people seem to appreciate the aspects that it improved on VS Fallout 3 and even New Vegas. Especially regarding a much more consistent fleshed out pre-war world vs any of previous Fallout games. The Settlement building has even started to be appreciated, which is good as it's honestly a fitting addition to the Fallout games.
@@hankkits4043 It is called "lower your standards spiral". When things get progressively worse, like with 76, people start to look up to older garbage because it is not as bas as new garbage.
aside from gatekeeping, perhaps Fallout fans could try to give their vocal, and if applicable practical, support to likewise fan-made efforts which attempt to really capture what makes Fallout the franchise that it once was. stuff like Sonora/Dayglow and the attempt at a Van Buren remake don't get enough attention I feel. plus it's less money for the people who crank out this new slop
And don't forget the projects of love here on youtube like "Red star" or "nuka break" (it's original creator is busy making a sort of sequel). While not perfect, and certainly not on the same level of funding like an amazon show, they still tend to be much more respectful to the source material, while also slightly altering things for the sake of creating a unique story (I personally don't like that they wrote edward sallow as having a brother called leon who is his own seperate legion-commander. It contradicts everything we know about caesar. But it's the only instance of such a massive retconn, fanmade or otherwise.)
I recently finished playing the classic fallout games and it made me understand a bit better what many hardcore fallout fans are talking about when they say Bethesda doesn’t understand fallout. The story and world and characters are well thought out and each side quest has a significant impact on each play through. I’m not a hardcore fallout fan by any means. I still enjoyed the modern fallout games and the show but after playing the classics I can see where all the hardcore fans are coming from and I would like to see fallout return to the classics level of story telling
Agree. I see why they think bethesda doesn't understand fallout. My problem with classic fallout fans is that they can't just let you enjoy something. It's not "I don't enjoy bethesda fallout but it's fine if you do, it's just not my cup of tea", it's "bethesda fallout is shit and your taste is shit if you like it"
@@LucaBattiato-lm4rn Real they’re always so toxic, if I even mention fallout 3, 4, or 76 it’s immediately: “Oh? Those games? They’re piles of horseshit. Why would you even bring them up?”. I honestly wish people would let people enjoy stuff. They immediately resort to rude insults and toxicity, reminds me of league, which is frightening.
I think the show will be exactly like Star Wars 7, at first everyone will find it extraordinary then season 2 comes along, and suddenly the whole show will be called into question.
@@fathorse8 I don't think it's a question of necessarily wanting to destroy, it's simply a question of making an IP more accessible to a larger audience. Then there's the fact that certain directors, writers, producers, like to change the elements of an IP to either get a political message across or simply because they felt like making this change, most of whom don't give a damn whether it holds up with the IP's lore. I'm sure most of them think like Pete Hines : _“not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls”_
They may ruin it in season 2 or later, once they see they have an audience in. But if it goes south, I'll jump ship like I made sure to watch it on the high seas first before properly on Amazon due to how great season 1 was. As a lifelong fan of Fallout since #1 in the 90s, season 1 is outstanding.
I don't think you need to be "hard core" to notice that the show is so incompetent that the ghoul that knows how to one tap power armor forgets how to one tap power armor when he fights a main character in power armor, but hey, what do I know. I must be a rabid Vegas purist.
@@EnclaveEmily He could have just forgotten in the moment. Mind you he had a screwdriver for that scene so it's possible he just found it and figured he had a chance to kill some assholes in Power Armor with that part and I honestly think the ghoul was just fucking with Max as he might have figured him to be really green for a knight. Does the show have writing problems... A lot but what Fallout game doesn't have their own problems with writing. (Fallout 2, 3, ,4). I like the show, it's not as bad as people make it out to be as I think it's meant to appeal to Gen Z fallout fans but to each their own I guess
@@EnclaveEmily I was making a joke that at the start of the video, the text says "converation" instead of conversation, hence defenders of Slopout will say the video is invalid. Or are you playing a joke on me now?
Enclave Emily Lore Master and Prominent Revewer can't even do THE FLAG right, and has 12-small stars flag, while all those flags are with 13 (number of Commonwealths) with simbol in the middle representing those who are "federal rule"
You are correct. All we all needed to do was gatekeep half as hard as the average NMA forum goer, and we would have been far better off. If anything has been learned over the last few decades, it must be that gatekeeping is always the answer, and the more ruthless and unforgiving of slop and drift, the better. Great video, EE.
I wholeheartedly agree, fans who really love a franchise definitely need to gatekeep in order to keep people out that will destroy the franchise or hobby, like fallout, Star Wars or even Dungeons and dragons.
What the fuck do I even say to express my opinion here? I guess I'll start off by saying your point is baffling, I could never rationalize it ever being right. I'm speaking on terms of gatekeeping, not anything in this video. Just, people have different interpretations of stuff, right? New people join communities, right? Why would it be rational to stop them from talking about the series, you might get rid of the bad takes from people who barely know the thing, but you also lose that interpretation. It's better to have a bunch of dimwits than a bunch of people who come up with the same opinions. I'm also pulling out the It's not that serious card, cause it is. It's a game, stop being so negative to ideas stemming from others. Don't pull the "what if their ideas ruin how the author should make the series" cause while, that can be true, why does anything going in a new direction hurt? Nothing can be the same ever, things change. Yes, of course fans should be heard, but we should never have the same adventure on the same land with the same characters, cause it's about the story, not about how comforting the series can be. Sorry for sounding so harsh. I don't like this opinion, but it's your opinion. I'm not gonna changenyour thoughts on a whim, but just stop sounding so negative, okay? You can't control things, so stop trying. I have some maybe stupid advice? If you want something in a series, make it yourself. It doesn't matter if it's low quality or not, if it's made for just you or for everyone. There are so many ways you can make a story, even without materials. Don't wait on a company to make your stories.
As an NCR fanboy I got scared you were gonna be one of those people that take what Hildern said at face value, but yeah fair point. Also that video of the flanderization of fallout has become so painfully accurate :/
I don't consider what the "smart guy" characters or even people say at face value, like, ever. His conclusion is based on variables in his equation that lead to a conclusion. But variables are.. well.. variable, and that says enough.
The problem with "smart" people in the fallout franchise as a whole (before the beth takeover), is that they are also human, and are equally capable of being greedy, narcissistic, ideological, cynical, etc... Intelligence does not remove human traits altogether, as a good story should explore. Hildern is smart. He's also greedy, politically motivated, and shortsighted. He knew the risks of vault 22 and still accepted them, all for short term gain. He's essentially the ncr's institutions in a nutshell. The point is, that "bad" character traits, in obsidian fallout, were seen as human traits. That includes the insanity and awkward horniness of the big MT brains. They are a tragic lot, and consequentially evil, though at the price of never really understanding their own evil. They are stuck in an infinite loop, all in order to preserve them out of Mobius' distorted sense of loyalty or love for his colleagues. Behind the silly humor and "stupid" stuff characters may or may not do, in obsidian's fallout, is likely a human element. In beth fallout, stupidity is just stupidity, horniness is just horniness and crazyness is just crazyness. Maximus has no reason to be THIS stupid or out of touch. In fact, a good portion of his character is that he can be smart at times. So why contradict that a few scenes down the line? A perfect Bethesda example: everybody loves the gary vault in fallout 3, but realistically, the vault makes no sense, cloning does not create perfect copies, and why would such perfect copies even constantly say "gary". It's silly dumb shit for the sake of silly dumb shit, that gets excused by fans because of the franchise's inherent wacky side. Compare this to how vaults are treated in new vegas, as cruel, fucked up, and darkly comical experiments by a paranoid government's funded cabal of science-fact-obsessed-psychopaths. If anything is "wacky" about this, it's because reality, in it's darkest moments, tends to be almost comical. I'm not saying obsidian always makes perfect stuff. Far from it. But there is a sincere difference in philosophy between the two studios. How intelligence and seriousness is portrayed is part of that.
Because I work from home, I'm argumentative and I'm bored. I understand it increases engagement but I prefer to call out BS when I see it than let AI take over. Ever heard of the "dead internet theory"
@@ryandavis5974wow you just sounded like a loser and dead internet THEORY your not some unsung hero fighting Ai for the future of humanity, you sound like a person with mental illness tbh
the “ghouls now need special juices to stay sentient” retconn is so stupid because there are examples of many ghouls cut off from the outside workd that are sentient that would have no way to get said special juices. take the ghould boy in the fridge from fallout 4 for example. was he drip fed the special juices from a hole in the fridge while he was there? i guess todd howard and the shows writers think so
@PrimeDecanus Damn I didn't know I did a caricature that well here lmao. Nah, I'm on your side for sure. It really doesn't bother me that this show exists but rather that so many "fans" say they enjoy it and Amazon did a good job with it, not only enabling the greed those socialists/communists claim to be against but enabling bad entries into one of my favorite fictional universes to continue to be created, leaving the owner of the IP to believe they did everything right.
Imagine if a BioShock movie came out and had Borderlands writing with cringey jokes all over the place. The fans of the franchise would obviously be angry about it, but the tourists would still claim that it's a faithful adaption because an underwater city that fell due to a lack of regulations is actually supposed to be hilarious. The feeling BioShock fans would have would be the same as the Fallout fans have now.
@@Bigshady843 hahahahahaha You did not get OWB at all, did you? Did you just read a wiki entry on it, is that why? Or did you get through the whole DLC without understanding what was behind the wacky humor at all? hahahahahaha You tourists make it so easy to spot you and call you out, hilarious!
Yes, I'm thinking Bethesda sends people or that bot that replied to the Starfield reviews into comment sections to try sway conversation. They just REFUSE to see the point and try repeat the same talking points.
When a company like Bethesda owns the IP, then gatekeeping becomes moot. They have the marketing power to get the casuals to buy and will cater to them. This kind of tactic is only good for short term gains. Once the casuals get bored and moved on, the actual fans that left out of disgust will no longer be there to support it. The same thing happened with the Bayformers, Star Wars, or the Marvel series of movies.
We literally felt how the Desert Rangers felt when the fought the Legion in Arizona and Nevada, absolutely decimated by the sheer number of them, and besides that, they are literally braindead, I tried helping one of those folks mod New Vegas and they legit can't read a guide on the Viva New Vegas website and even then no matter how much I try to help, they just can't do it even with the most basic of instructions like Jesus, so I just dipped and ditched them, we aren't gatekeeping against sane individuals here, many of them have little to no reading comprehension, there is nothing we can do against a bunch of consoomers that can't think for themselves, hell if they can even think, it's over, fun while it lasted but yeah it's very much over.
Bethesda inherent need to make any media in Fallout a wasteland in a never ending apocalypse goes against another point of Fallout. We see civilization bounce back in the first 2 games. Iirc by the time of New Vegas, Shady Sands and a lot of the NCR is comparable to the 20th Century in living standard with power, cars, and infrastructure. But we see none of that in the show despite being deep inside NCR territory. Because Bethesda cant have a Fallout setting unless its a dead wasteland with only small tribal villages barely making it day by day. Ive been calling it for years that Bethesda would do it if they ever touched the West Coast. People also dont seem to bring up how Vault Tec nuked Shady Sands despite Shady Sands being a result of one of Vault Tecs vaults. Like ???????.
The thing is with Fallout "fans" that you cannot have a proper argument with them. You can make the most detailed argument/responses and all they do is "La la la I can't hear you, you're stupid." or call you a neckbeard weirdo.
that's just all fanbases, really. Especially ones that deal with a franchise that takes itself rather seriously, like fallout (or at least did.) I mean, from what I can assume, you yourself are probably a fallout fan, that would mean calling yourself out on being a fallacy spouter. No, in reality, it's just the internet being the internet. Decent, but perhaps long and well-argumented comments and takes aren't nearly as popular or "liked", in a more literal sense, than short, snappy, controversial, provocative statements based on strawman ad hominem fallacies. There is a reason "TL;DR" is a well known concept. You can't have good debates with short and snappy insults. But only short and snappy insults get all the attention, and good argumentation gets hated on for being longer than a single paragraph. It's anti-intellectualism in practice. So when a fanbase is split in half through the franchise' own failings (or perhaps successes, from a different perspective), that's just bound to get tempers flaring and all the demagogues and ragebaiters out of the woodworks. I'd say the same thing about this video and channel, honestly. You can make your argument and still be respectful. Trying to backpedal by saying it was actually just hyperbole and the people who took the ragebait seriously are "stupid", is in fact just repeating the toxic cycle. You're kind of proving their point. This isn'timproving the debate or making a point in a valid manner. It's just ragebait (itself a valid but cynical tactic for several youtube channels. I just wish they'd actually have a spine about it and not whine the moment they get criticized for it.) And I say that from the point of somebody who in fact doesn't particularly like the show's direction. The lore was all over the place, the chalkboard scene is a travesty from both a lore AND writing perspective, the humor is typical bethesda derping, a lot of character decisions or behavior doesn't make sense, important canon events of the games are either glossed over or straight up stay unmentioned despite being VERY important to the setting, etc...etc... The show is a franchise expander. It expands it's audience to normies. It's also a "fan" pleaser, in the sense that if you starve the fans enough of good content, they'll start to drool over barely decent content instead if you wait long enough. It wasn't made for the good kind of fan. It was made for consumption, and that's just a fact no matter how you spin it.
As someone who calls himself a Sonic fan, let me give you some context at 23:17. This clip is from the game Sonic Colors, released in 2010. At this moment in time, the franchise was absolutely in the gutter, and probably would have died off if Sega had more than a single braincell left to spare. Colloquially we (sonic fans) call 2010-ish the end of the 'dark ages'. The reason for this, is that in amidst all these mediocre or downright terrible games comes Sonic Colors, a game that for once isn't utter dogshit but actually decent to play, even if it was playing it incredibly safe and sterile. When the game first came out, you had people, maingly critics glazing the game for it over and over. Nowadays though people know better and see that the game was not as good as everyone thought it was, but it was still a necessary evil while the franchise truly was at rock bottom, and we were looking for every single W we could find. But even still, we got right back to the gatekeeping and complaining once the cringe and childish humor for 'mass appeal' wasn't really ignorable anymore, if that's even a word.
I was always confused as to why the 2010s were considered the end of the dark ages, when the entire 2010s, minus Mania and Generations were effectively The Dark Ages. I've been a sonic fan for 20 years now, and I'm happy that the franchise I love is coming back. I've always hated Colours though.
@@EnclaveEmily I don't think the debate around when the dark ages actually ended is going to end anytime soon I guess lol. I just gave the generally accepted point in time it ended to better articulate what I was trying to say. These days everyone calls the 2010s the 'meta era' because of the self-aware mass appeal slop that seeped in starting from Colors and faded away after Forces. I mean jesus christ just have a look at the cutscenes from Lost World. Mania is treated as more of an outlier in that regard. But yeah, like you said in the video, despite the 2 decades of subpar crap we were given, we never stopped complaining or lowering the bar, whilst franchises like Total War and now also Fallout did, and what Sonic got from that is a goddamn comeback. There's a lesson to be learned there indeed. Cheers for the video and have a good day :)
It's feel like something that was born out of large incompetent and rushed writing. Fallout 3 tried, Fallout 4 is a trash bin, Fallout TV Show is a worthless shell. All going to be a cycle sooner or later...
In my head I still have this idea for a better TV show consisting of three not connected seasons each telling their own story: 1. A young man from the fringes of the NCR decides to enlist in the NCR military. We see parts of everyday life in rural NCR and the protagonist tour of duty including the finale set during the first Battle of Hoover Dam. 2. The final days of Camp Navarro before the NCR assault. We see a more human side of Enclave soldiers and their families stationed there including the New Vegas remnants and the mother of young Arcade Gannon. Sergeant Arch Dornan prepares the final detachment of new soldiers for the upcoming defense in his iconic ironfisted way, but we learn he deeply cares about his fellow men. The finale ends with Dornan and his men making a last stand to block an assault of NCR forces on the Vertibird hangars so the remnants and the Gannon family can escape. 3. Just the story of Vault 11 as told by the terminal entries and the storytelling skellingtons and that final holotape recording outside the vault entrace in New Vegas.
Bro. Seriously. Someone should fund you. These are all really good premises for a show. I'll try and add a few of my own. 1. The founding of Jacobstown. Where we're reintroduced to Marcus the supermutant and his story of gaining support for the reconstruction of the Mt. Charleston ski resort lodge to become a home for destitute supermutants and nightkin. Showing the general attitude of supermutants as wanting to live unbothered for the most part, as well as the troubles and dark past that being a supermutant entails. 2. Joshua Graham's journey and integration into the Zion Valley's tribes. Told In Medias Res, where Joshua is already acting Warchief of the Dead Horses and planning preparations to defend against a White Legs attack. Using multiple long flashbacks of Joshua's career as Malpais Legate to explain as "inspiration" for his tactics and strategy in the upcoming fight, big fight scene against the White Legs as the climax, ending with one last flashback to his fiery fall into the Grand Canyon and subsequent survival while reflecting on their victory. Reminiscent of a baptism. 3. Sheriff Myer's and how he got himself imprisoned in NCRCF. Basically a big Dirty Harry reference/tribute.
Just found this channel, holy shit, I'm not the only one that sees the franchise becoming watered down wacky wasteland with 1950s shapes and colors. With nothingburger
Another good essay on the topic. I am surrounded by people who try to excuse the new series and even Fallout 76. 'Tis good to know you're not alone fighting for the real Fallout. Ave. True to OG fanbase.
@@rogerloger1935 pathetic is Bethesda handling canon and turning a grim wasteland with lots of unethical and questionable stuff going on to a playground with Fat Men, since blowing up nukes is fun. It is, I guess, Bethesda at their best - they just long to make an extraordinary visual scene in spite of common sense. Just like with blowing up you-know-what in TV series, and to do so seamlessly, they moved it just a *tiny bit* very far
Tbh at this point I am done with fallout. As a friend of mine said that used to be a fallout fan „people actually caring about fallout for its seriousness have left it behind with 76 at the latest“ And I just gotta agree and call it quits, Bethesda has ruined fallout and there simply is no way to repair the damage done by now…
Overall, I agreed with your points in the Fo Show review (still can't believe what they've done to the franchise), but i found the anger/insults to be a little excessive, you're making it easy for people who want to dismiss you
I wont say I love the points you make, but I respect them, and I respect you. Tbh I saw the writing on the wall of a lot of franchises a long time ago. The age of the nerd I see has died and many haven't realized that yet. Everything is mainstream or will be soon. Halo, Fallout, Warhammer, Magic the Gathering, D&D its all mainstream and has fallen from grace. And I just think... "What can I do but shrug and watch"
@@Caragoner here's what you can do: the unpopular thing and push back against it. Look at the Sonic Franchise and how it's now advertised as for fans, making content based on lore and to please old fans of it. Shrugging just guarantees it keeps happening
Fallout truly has become a parody of itself. It was already bad before the show, but since then its gotten so much worse. Branded drinks, soulless merch, and even an MTG partnership. All we can really hope for is Xbox's greed wanting a fallout game now while its popular licensing the IP out to literally anybody else. Obsidian and inxile being the obvious choices being under microsoft, but even larian said they really wanted to make a fallout game For the love of god please let larian make a fallout game
I did my part gatekeeping for many years but the recent influx from the Amazon series has really just been too much for anyone to bear. I think it’s truly over this time, we’ve lost our franchise for good.
Never give up, never surrender. Hold the line! Seriously tho, never going to give up on Fallout. Will be gatekeeping till the grave, and I hope you will join me in doing so. Plus, the Tourists are really fun and easy to mock and anger.
Really good video by the way I especially liked what you said at the end, and I do agree what needs to happen fallout needs to die and be resurrected and be brought back to its glory. I do agree it has to get worse before it gets better because I want it to get better the storytelling of fallout 1&2 new Vegas we’re great, and I want more of that and you’re gonna find this hilarious my first fallout game I hesitate to even call it that myself because After experiencing the rest of the series my first game was fallout 4 two years after that game came out I went back and played the rest of the series and I was hooked after that and I fell in love with new Vegas. And I really want another fallout game like that so if the series has to die to make that happen that would be great anyways, you have for sure earned yourself a new subscriber.
I love Fallout. Clearly you do as well. I disagree with so many of your opinions, but I think that it's incredible that the Fallout series has that draw. We all take something from it and we are all very passionate about what we find in it. That's so cool
I stopped caring about the stories because i know they will be trash, im just happy we get more materials for cosplays. When you see the New Vegas day at the pionner saloon, this is where the community is. I'm working on a Follower of the apoc, this will be fun.
That's fine for you. But you should at the very least acknowledge that not everybody is a cosplayer, and the core community's wishes to maintain a consistent lore canon are very valid, and in fact more so than a nonsensical apathatic approach to writing which is what you display here. Whether you like the show or not, you will always have your cosplays. But normal fans don't have the luxury of apathy.
@@RedFloyd469 I'm asking you to be real with me here. Do you truly believe we will ever get video games as good as 2000-2010? Devs theses days were DnD players, thats why RPGs were so good. Devs theses days were insulted all day by all medias, but they came to work because they love it. Devs nowadays are 9 to 5ers. We will never - ever - get good video games anymore. I have no hope for this industry. Give me one game in the past 3 years that dealt with rape trauma the way NV did it with that NCR chick. None. We are never getting adult stories, its all about fortnite fun now. Gaming is over.
Hope to see ya next year at NVD it's the only way I can stick it to Bethesda is by still praising a 10 year old game that wasn't made by them but used they're favored IP 🥹🥹 it's poetic
The most annoying thing about the decline of Fallout is that it's happening to the thunderous clapping of Bethesda NPCs. The first 2 Fallouts were not games made for mass appeal. Still, they always had a loyal following for what they were. Then, enter the Casuals' Era. Bethesda smelled the money and began dumbing down everything to appeal to as wide audience as possible. It's like you had your favorite cocktail with a unique blend of ingredients, but then a new bar owner came and took notice of it. They wanted to sell more of it, so they replaced 90% of the ingredients with water, but still sold it under the same name. New clients came in, tasted the watered down sludge and declared that it's awesome. That and yelled at anyone who tried to explain that it's not what this drink ought to be and that the original is far tastier. And that's your recipe for disaster. Replace actual fans with mindless drones who will preorder everything you put out, because they don't have two brain cells to rub together.
The Fallout we deserved is "Kenshi" if you've played Kenshi it's a better Fallout game than anything Bethesda has made. Arguably even better than New Vegas.
Its one thing for a show to be bad Its another for a show to have red flags BEFORE IT RELEASED with writers talking about how it would be "a wacky gonzo mindblowing adventure",which is only accurate if you look at fallout from a very reductionist view of someone who didnt put that much thought into it,nor is very smart,a midwit consoomer. I am no longer convinced on the whole "Its a good show but not a good adaptation" argument thanks to this show,if you cant even respect what came before you,of a franchise that isnt even yours then chances are you probably wont write something good.
The Secret Meeting scene from Fallout the Show was also a 4th wall foreshadow that the Creators of the show and Bethesda want to 'launch the nuke' to ruin the old lore so they can be the only ones to benefit from the praise of the existence of the Fallout Series without having to ever being compared to the original 2 and New Vegas.
I also agree fallout is a philosophical game in writing, from one, 2 and New Vegas, do tackle questions that help and allow the player how this world words, and reflection to real life. My name favourite exsamples in New Vegas, are indeed characters like Joshua Graham, Mr. House and well The God, characters that give perspectives and insight that you can take yourself outside the game, not forcing you to think, allowing you to choose for yourself, thus the value of self autonomy of fallout.
The capitalism thing is, with no shadow of a doubt, the most stupid thing I ever saw on a show or film. Neil Breen's movies don't come close to this. The people who wrote this show are children.
This show doesn't oppose capitalism in any shape way or form, even when it's given plenty of opportunity to do so, Moldaver herself said she wasn't a socialist and just 'a patriot'. The only criticism it does is a very shallow view of lobbying, monopolies and some criticism over AI.
@@abcde6081 Is it a criticism of capitalism if the show proposes a nebulous "better capitalism" as it's most moral alternative? Also, I'm not even a libertarian or pro-capitalism myself, but from what I've heard lots of libertarians and such would argue that the state the world reached in Fallout is not even truly capitalism.
This New Vegas gameplay is distracting, ngl. Seeing it looking like that wehre as I am having it as close to vanilla as possible for nearly 90 hours now... is just weird, lol
Well, it's a side effect of having a hyper-modded game (400+mods, customized textures and custom scripts). Believe it or not, that's the game toned down from what it actually looks like when I'm playing usually lol.
@@EnclaveEmily I followed the VNV guide and got to 200 mods, but that was enough for me. I played the game until DeadMoney (over 100 hours) back in 2017 and had it drop to 15 fps with crashes every single session. So for the time being I just wanna see the vanilla content. But it thankfully looks like modding the game has progressed considerably these days, so I plan on doing quest mods and the like in the future. I assume you have an ENB running, becasue the lighting is looking very different, right?
Personally i'm comfortable with fallout existing as a trilogy of games focused on the California / Nevada area of the US after an apocalypse. What Bethesda have made simply isn't fallout, its not even similar to it in any way beyond surface level marketing and I think that's better than the alternative of them trying and failing to continue the west coasts story. The people who made the fallout trilogy what it was are gone now, they've retired and moved on to new projects, and no one else has the ability to continue what they started (and i believe they shouldn't. Fallout, at least in america, should have ended with New Vegas.) If fallout were to continue as a franchise, i think fallout London is the right way to go about it. It should be new trilogies in new countries with new ideas and iconography. Sadly its likely we'll never end up seeing London release thanks to Bethesda's thinly veiled sabotage. As it stands Bethesda is going to keep making borderlands lite and slapping the fallout name on it and the normies are going to keep eating it up. That's not going to change until Emil and Todd are out of the picture, and i have a feeling whatever comes next would be worse.
Todd stated that Fallout is an USA only game, especially because of the 50s Retro-Futuristic aesthetics. However he is a liar. That said I hope they will fix something in FO5 otherwise it will be just post-apocalypse sim until its death
You've hit the nail on the head, the apologists are actually cultists. They've wanted a fallout show that how dare you point out that it sucks. I call them trekkie-like cultists. put the logo on a turd and they gobble it up yum, yum, yum, no matter how badly it stinks. They're useless. The writing sucked, the characters sucked, putting fallout bobbles in it (power armor, energy weapons they never fired, etc) doesn't make it suck any less. These are the same geniouses that prepay for games, you know, the ones they've never seen or played but willingly hand over their cash? And they wonder why tod and bethesday feeds them turds.
@@DroidStudios001 Prove the writing doesn't suck, prove the characters don't suck. That isn't much of an argument. Bethesda hasn't had a real writer since..... never had a real writer. the show is all over the place, I've played the games from the first, way before bethesda ever aquired it by default. Bethesda doesn't understand the I.P. they aquired. Praising garbage doesn't make it any less garbage. When bethesda creates something good, I'll be there cheering them on with you but I don't see that happening any time soon.
@@vorlonanon4055 you do realize that Bethesda and Todd Howard didn’t write the fallout show right during the production they had the executive producer role
@@DroidStudios001 No ,they just rubber stamped it knowing that it made no sense the retcons made no sense, and the characters were a joke. Don't tell me you don't think they didn't have to green light this turd?
tbf fallout 2 was criticized for its unserious tone. this is because it included too many 4th wall breaking jokes and references. san francisco was so half-baked they were just like fuck it kung-fu. and having a faction just be scientologists was just bizarre and dumb. also redding plays way to hard into the old west tropes (same with mafia tropes in New Reno, among other things). fallout 2 redeems itself though because while there is a bunch of shit, the good parts put together probably make a bigger game than the original fallout, so its a true sequel. i've certainly played a lot of it. in fact i might blame fallout 2 for the eventual shift in tone with bethesda. I don't think you could take fallout in the direction they did if they were just working with Fallout 1. that game sets a tone and stays there, it is bleak.
ill add that the shows humor and bethesdas humor are different that fallout 2's humor so its not like they're copying the homework. and not to sound biased but i do think fallout 2 is funnier even if the outdated reference humor is super cringe.
@@empathetic4100 3's atmosphere is the best in the series imo. it's what got me into the games in the first place. RIP adam adamowicz, i really wish they would have emulated his style for fallout 4
I kind of wish the show was written better and took place in Colorado like intended. I know the showrunners don't mean to come off this way but I can see why people are taking this as a diss to the West Coast.
I'll repeat something I posted on another video about this: "We're constantly asked to turn our brains off to enjoy media... How about they turn THEIR brains ON for a change???" Demand better written shows!!!
That’s funny because I need to turn my brain off to enjoy Bethesda’s Fallout games, but I need to turn my brain on to enjoy Fallout 1, 2, and NV. Hmm………..
As much as your points are valid, especially that of the decline of some more serious aspects of the franchise, the show was still quite enjoyable even despite some awkward dialogue and lack of a thought provoking narrative. No adaptation is perfect but this is one of the best we’ve gotten. It seems the distaste for the show stems from how the series as a whole has become less grim and leans more into the happier more eccentric exterior that hides darker secrets (present since f3 but more since f4). However if you’re so unhappy with the “new direction” there’s always the metro and mad max franchises to satisfy your grungy needs.👍
But, it's a terrible adaptation. Seriously, what exactly is good about it as an adaptation? It messes up the lore, the tone, the atmosphere, and the themes. I guess the costumes and set designs are okay, but that basically makes it only slightly better than the original Mortal Kombat movie. Sure, we've had adaptations that are SO bad as to be unrecognizable AS adaptations, so I'll grant that it's superior to those, but that's like a really low bar.
Putin isn't purple, but I wouldn't mind if he Thanos'd the world now. Enjoying Star Wars or Fallout or Mass Effect or any series I used to love just isn't fun anymore. And it's not just because of their quality dipping.
"Eat this broken lore that we sha all over and don't you dare question any of the story decisions we made. And you better laugh at all these jokes and ignore all the criticism of our plot, dialogue, and setting. Better yet, YOU WILL DEFEND THIS SHOW TILL THE VERY END OF YOUR SAD PATHETIC EXISTENCE OR SO HELP ME GOD I WILL CALL OFF THE JELLY MOLD AND THE BLANCO MAC AND CHEESE." "Okie dokie"
I used to be with Fallout, but then they changed what Fallout was. Now what Fallout is to me isn't Fallout, and what's Fallout seems shallow and idiotic to me, and it'll happen to you, too.
The Fallout show here was the first time i became genuinely angry with how Fallout had been handled. Fallout 4 has a ton of issues, but at least it could be serious at times. This show destroyed everything good about it by adding stupid dialogue during every somewhat decent moment. And at least Fallout 4 didn't totally retcon New Vegas.
I fucking hate the fact that ghoul juice is a thing for ghouls despite no one prewar would know about ghouls being a thing and how would you make such a thing for something that does not exist yet and somehow have it be effective??? as well the ghoul graveyard burial shit, wtf is that and the scene where that knight asprint guy gets a arrow to the next and somehow still lives on?? Fuck the show.
8:08 "I could write university level essays on... [the] Vipers off the top of my head." No, no you couldn't. The vipers have next to no presence in the games. What an absurd thing to say.
I agree with you mostly but I’d like to point out that as of the last time I played Fallout 76, the only “pay to win” things in the Atomic Shop was Scraping kits, and Repair kits. Which are not really pay to win and are more just a mild quality of life things than pay to win. Everything else was purely cosmetic. And I’m sure it’s got plenty of Lore issues but…my only real problem with it at the time was it’s multiplayer component making the gameplay feel super clunky and high ranked players causing temporary level locking of random areas, and random areas getting nuked 2 to 3 times each session. Otherwise the setting, the timeline, the Scorch beasts, Scorch plague, having to nuke the caves to stop them, and West Virginia being cryptid central…I loved all those ideas. And honestly it offered way more role playing flexibility than Fo4. I just wish someone would port it into Fallout 4 so I could play it properly in a single player setting.
No I got that. But when people use the phrase Pay to Win they typically mean something that gives them a PvP advantage. I assert that the scrap kits and repair kits provide virtually no PVP advantage. Their really just a small quality of life improvement. I however am in no way suggesting that it’s not a bad design but that it isn’t really fair to call it a “pay to win” system. My overall purpose in pointing this out, being that there is plenty of things wrong with 76 and Bethesda fallout in general, we don’t need to resort to hyperbole. It just negatively impacts our argument that Bethesda is bad.
Its funny to me when people get mad and rant on and on about their favorite media franchise being watered down into a commodified product when that's all it ever was. A commodified product.
I'ts obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. Fallout started as one mans passion project to test his new game engine that expanded into a full blown game thanks to the passion and creativity of everyone involved.
@@abcde6081 it's still a product. A video game or movie being mass produced, packaged, and sold in stores for $49.99 is a commodity. There's no way that it's not. A team of people working for a company funded by investors is not the same as an artist who sells their own paintings. My man in the video was talking about Star Wars like it was a sacred cow that was recently corrupted and turned into a commodity. It always was. They were putting C3PO on lunchboxes and pajamas and selling action figures in the 70s. Fallout is no different. It's copyrighted intellectual property that exists to entertain and make money. It's not a religious experience and people need to not take it so seriously.
I think it's even funnier when cl0wns like you project your anger with non-arguments like this. What are you even trying to say here? That because it was sold for money, it can't be held to any measurement of quality? I legitimately have no idea what you're trying to say with this.
I never played Fallout for the story, and I really like the games. I guess maybe that's why FO4 is my most played. Although I must admit that I got into Fallout at all because I really liked Mad Max and there was no proper Mad Max game back then, but there was a Fallout 2 on a CD in my uncle's attic. Then many years later the actual Mad Max game showed up and scratched the itch much better. But I just remained hooked on Skyrim-But-It's-America at this point hahah
A someone who played fallout 76 from start (well a month after it came out and bought it for cheap buck and only because i would get some collectibe with it) like to give even deeper insight on how they even further screwed up the screwed game and especially an atomic shop which was screwed from the start >Inb4 why i played it I wanted to build lego while screaming to voip a gaming words Everyone knows how shallow and empty the game was on launch with redcons after redcons where only interesting thing and even that is questionable would be the mystery of what happened to whitesprings enclave and how npc update was such an dissapointment it wasnt worthy of attention except of bread crumps again on whitesprings enclave However during the existence of atomic shop there was a fine example of slippery slope fallacy on even in their whole microtransactions >Shameless lord of rings reference on they were elfs once scene It first began with mundane stuff and pathetic attempt of creating an artificial scarcity trough departures and lesser permanent things to buy So that meant if you ever wanted something you couldnt just grind on time atoms trough dailys weekleys (when it was possible lol) it dissapeared and you would later got it after ages in re run or in a bundle which was set up to be cheaper investment than item itself Then it went trough into a prequesite of what had to come and that thing was there were a first things that would give you an advantage compared to non atomic shop players ie unstopabbles season in atomic shop and if all 5 would have costume in team then good luck in pvp or had an considerate advantage in events before metas etc were dug out Then like it was not enough came bundles and exclusive to bundle items Then with release of nuclear winter it was found out indeed camos were a pay to win and were removed and only occasionaly come back if even as it was a while Then legacy content of atomic shop was away Them it was starting to get absurd with newer themes where even COMMUNISTS GOT THEIR SEASON AND NOT ONLY ONE COMPARED TO ENCLAVE AND EVEN THEN ENCLAVE HAD MISERABLE EVENT EXCEPT OF 3 THINGS WHICH WERE RE RELEASED CUT CONTENT AND ONLY ONE NOT BEING A SKIN and then... Then it came and rhat thing were scrap kits and repair kits with lunchboxes >Inb4 better ones were made trough grind Polystyren guns dont care in events rhat are painful to deal with to be wasted to repair said guns And then with arrival of battlepasses and wasetlanders with fallout f you first it was official Ecxlusive aromic shop items for holders of F1st and very good quality of life improvements that led to war in the game between players Ruined economy of atoms trough paingul grind in battlepasses for a sums that were significantly overall lower than what you grinded per month trough dailys and weekleys before Literally more of camp content was in atomic shop than in real game as it was evident that to get something that isint dogshit was locked behind event or seasonal event Even free things there were not anymore an actuall things but either currency or boosts And rhen the last nail into slippery slope coffin i can remember came by Before having literally plagiarized battlepass from helldivers 2 f76 battlepass was basically a map with milestones which kind of was berable but grindy rhe further you went and got something fancy to look at from it Now community was begging for battlepass content to have rerun to be available again for some year and only thing bethesda did is that the old content from battlepasses is sold for atoms and even mostly in bundles and new battlepasses are even poorer for content that isint a skin, boost, finances or stuff to photomode that basically atomic shop like you said will become a basically what you said No i didnt forget for battlepass guns out of it that is a crime against people itself with shelter update
Yes someone might mention how i forgot about manequins etc but that still falls under category of either battlepass items resold as microtransactions, advantegous things to camp still fall under either battlepass or "what has to come" >Inb4 you are larping and not true scotsman Show me your postman outfit in there with time stamp bucko I was there when history was written
Now that's even worse than I thought. The slippery slope is not a fallacy, as this demonstrates. And this is the game everyone is saying is "good" now? Based on this alone, you'd think people wouldn't trust what Bethesda says, but it seems they're just begging to be ripped off.
@@EnclaveEmilyi would beg to differ in term slippers slope fallacy because i remember how incrementaly repair kits, and basically what is in fallout 1st (to even to that ranger armor outfit that is handed to first fallout 1st subscription and slippery slope is about incremental pushing of the means to end in order to push the means to end trough >Is it good now Hell no it isint because of following If i will take off from years a blue balls for npc update since i knew about that that dev room leak and npc in it and things outside of tourists who downloaded the game during waserlanders update (Yes before wasetlanders fo76 playerbase was small but dedicated to each other to better the suffering a bit as there wss nothing to do except having each other) old guard was starved for content because moonshining update was nothing and could be done within minutes if one knew what he is doing and in charleston city where this takes place knew just a block away from bar was a vault tech uni student dorm and necceseary alcohol for that nuka cola moonshine, spring season and sheepsquatch cryptid was also severely lacking any content altrough the quest at least had a bit of mystery in it despite being a fetch quest with extra steps (nuclear winter doesnt count because even playerbase despised it) and just having a walk in virtual appalachia wasnt enough after also a debacle with raids in vault 58 on north of appalachia near red rocket gas station that were impossible to beat for a loot that was so rare it wasnt worth it of effort to pray for rng When wasetlanders came I can logically explain only why it wasnt send to hell (because it was a brain dead payday family friendly heist preparation to steal gold from basically an enclave for ambition you couldnt realize with people who were happy to even be alive) was because one side was already desperate and also overwhelmed by newcommers who shilled rhe most how good it is because npcs are back despite ignoring that for such a small thing and even miserably written they had 2 YEARS AT MINIMUM TO REALIZE AND EVEN TOOK SEVERAL DELAYS FOR IT Seriously after atlantic city debacle and pittsburg debacle i cannot understand how anyone can vigorously defend 76 being a good game and not a power fantasy of bethesda and their poster child broterhood on purpose mocking you the veteran (meant old guard f76 player) with faggotry I just wanted something that i wouldnt need to mess with my firewall and need a doctorate from modding (fallout new vegas multiplayer reference or fallout online) to enjoy with other burned out by industrial revolution visionaries and not seeing how one can kill what has been already dead but had a healthy foundation waiting to be tapped Well i guess at least from all of that pain since they offered bethesda launcher clients to transfer the game to steam i can enjoy originals from interplay for free as rhey offered them as a small we are sorry despite these breaking havoc upon me as controls are a bit wonky and technical issues crash the games commonly
I agree with you on so many things, i cant even play Fo4 without enough mods to make you choke, but. I love the voiced protagonist, like. I love noras voice and bc i only play as a specific female character every game, it didn't bother me, it added something to my FO character, nowwww i get why ppl hate it, but I'm gunna miss it
14:17 Wait, people actually defended the always four dialogue choice system when even the develops thought it was a mistake? The one thing in the game that had a mod made to show what you say only 5 days after the release of the game and is still the 9th most popular mod on NexusMods?
there’s a reason i don’t engage with this community often. it’s literally just an on going war with each other over which game crashes less and has less lore retcons. i don’t care about this shit i’m gonna play whatever game i’m in the mood for
You say that both the show and 76 damage the lore of the franchise, I want to understand how? what are the aspects that are damaging it? this is not me making a mockery or wasting time, I genuinely want to know your point of view
I don't want to overstep in my videos, as if i got started on one of those games, i'd talk for ages and get side tracked. One day I'll talk about it in depth though. A video I have scheduled for the 6th slightly touches up on this, but not much, but due to my upcoming schedules for the coming months, that's all i can offer for now, sadly enough.
I mean, his video already went over how the show damaged it. Just watch that. As for 76, it's alot less damaging overall because it's in a completely new area, although it, of course, changes the BoS yet again.
@@billjacobs521 Truth be told most of that kinda got lost in the middle of his rambling, not saying that he might not be saying it but he wasn't very clear about it, or at the very least didn't make a list that could explain point by point, so what I am asking is like a clear list that establish all of his grievances one by one
I originally was under the impression that they could've made a good show if they just took any existing story and just transferred it to the fallout universe and throw in some post apocalyptic details. Doesn't even have to be anything from the game other than vault tec, make new creatures new robots new everything, excuse it as being part of a different state and that shit is different. But then I saw the ending of the show, and saw that they plan to also take a shit on new vegas. If that was the goal to begin with why in the name of shit did they not put the story of the show happening BEFORE new vegas and if you wanted to give the vault character a "war never changes people are nuking themselves even after the world was over" YOU JUST TAKE HER TO SEE THE FUCKING DIVIDE AND THEN MAKE SEASON 2 SOMEWHERE ELSE STOP RUINING THE PRE-EXISTING UNIVERSE
@@EnclaveEmily I am very Boomerish. i find one joke and grind it into the dust until everyone stares at me in confusion and I slink away in embarrassment for a month or two
With regard to your Fallout76 rant I partially disagree to an extent. Yes the quests in 76 are kinda subpar but if your going into 76 just looking to do quests then your not gonna have fun. It's an entirely different game its more so a social game. The most fun you can have is by grouping up and interacting with the community. The micro transactions aren't paid to win it's pay for convenience. I've been playing 76 since 2019 and I know how bad things can be for 76.
Pay for convenience is still pay to win because you're getting an advantage over those who don't pay. Also, if your quests are trash and so is the reason to do them, then your game is bad. "Social game" is not an excuse because at that point I'm enjoying the company of a friend more than I am the activity itself, which breaks the point
@@EnclaveEmily By social I mean you find the most enjoyment from things from the community. An example would be pvp 76 has been one of the best pvp experiences I've had
I had no issue with you critique, in most of your points, it was valid. It's not a perfect show in any rights. Was it OK or good...... yeah i can only put it up against what else is out there. By my standards it's decent and i don't consider my self a gate keeper of the lore, honestly i have to watch TH-cam videos to get the lore of the games before 3.
The Fallout show proves that the Halo show would have been a success if Chief kept his helmet on. Keep the same awful plot, writing and characters. Just leave the helmet on. Bet anything the Redditors and tourists would have loved it.
People will eat shit if it smells and look good.
Criteria is in a downard spiral, brain rot is becoming real each year that passes.
That's extremely false and just a strawman made by autists who want to be angry about the show and can't stand to like something.
are you dense or dumb
Very true. As the show only need to look like the brand to sell, regardless if it's well cared for or not. That's why you have the fools who cry on their own doing, the fools will get what they asked for.
They could probably hire anyone now as long as they kept their helmet on the show would do far better lmao
Just read Chris Avellone's review of the show. So unfair that we got that clown Emil as the lead writer when Avellone is so much better.
Avellone was such a brilliant writer and what happened to his career was an utter tragedy.
The touchy accusation to is name don't help,IMAO just is behaviour in general.
@ShimmyFr Even when he missed, he tried. I actually didn't like KOTOR2, but I can't deny he put some real effort in, it wasn't just mindless drivel.
@ShimmyFr Even if you don't like Avellone you can't deny that his works are very distinct and are trying to say something or portray an idea of some sort, or interesting concept. People talk about Ulysses, Kotor 2, Planescape Torment up to this day.
@@abcde6081 it's not just some random "tragedy". It is the consequences of the new fascism that you in the West support.
2:33 The series brings up Hegelian Dialectics, Christian Mormon attitudes towards pacifism, technophobia, the danger of historic nostalgia, the Great Man theory, freedom versus security, statism versus anarchy etc. just to name a few. Along with the key theme of the entire game being the violent tendencies of mankind.
What the hell would you call that if not a game series concerned with philosophy? And don't forget the best philosophical question: do I nuke a town for lulz!
What’s funny is thar caesers understanding of immanent critique is intentionally dogshit.
It’s all just satire and parody according to the fanboys
Ulysses' final message to you genuinely tears me up every time I hear it, not because it's sad or anything, but because how powerful I find it both terms of the question of how we can solve human conflict, as well as the perfect monologue to wrap up the entire series. That's why I consider Lonesome Road the perfect END of the Fallout trilogy.
Fallout has never really thoroughly explored Anarchism vs Statism (horizontalism vs hierarchy). There arent many anarchist/democratic factions. The Followers are one i can think of. But it would be intresting if Fallout actually explored anarchism/socialism instead of just having wholesome chungus oligarchy and le epic far-right authoriterians that want to nuke everyone.
@@pivomanslovensko Not "thoroughly" no.
The funniest thing to come out of all this is Todd coming out and saying they respect and do their due diligence with the timeline and lore and people believing him
You know the company that literally had the opinion we’re not beholden to something someone wrote 20 years ago and not caring about consistency in a franchise with the silly ghouls and super mutants
And then that whole emil pagliarulo debacle with "Nate the rake". Immediately backpedaling once people rightfully called him out on his bullshit.
Hell, I would have preferred if he had stuck to his principles and maintained that warcriminal Nate was now, somehow, canon, in a story that allows for players to create their own main characters and therefore has no canon player character.
By backpedaling and immediately disproving his own claim that nate was a war-criminal, he blatantly proved that whether the lore makes sense doesn't matter to this guy. He and todd just like stuff that is cool in the moment, damned be the consequences. The lore is just a vehicle for them to explore cool ideas. Which makes sense in theory, but when put in practice by clowns that don't RESPECT that lore, it's a writing nightmare.
Todd's argument that they did their due dilligence also makes no sense. He hasn't outright disproven the counter-arguments to that, he just says "trust me bro", and some people somehow treat that as gospel. The truth of the matter is that the blackboard scene and the "vault tec nuked shady sands" crap is downright ridiculous, contradictory to the lore, and even if it weren't, it would still be bad writing, plain and simple. No amount of pretended "due diligence" can cover that up. Though apparantly, for a ton of show consumers, I guess it can.
Yes , the same man who ruined the entire Necropolis quest in Fallout 1 because of le funny fridge joke.
Fallout 3: The Force Awakens
Fallout 4: The Last Jedi
Fallout 76: Rise of Skywalker
Fallout TV Show: Obi-Wan Kenobi
Fallout 5: Absoka
Amazing Comparison
Nah its like fallout 3 new vegas are the luke skywalker saga 4 is the force awakens and 76 is the prequels legit😂
76 is way better than RoS. It's not like the rest, but it stands on its own merits. It's just too bad it was completely undevelop garbage. 76 was the clarion call of hell. Should've made everyone suspicious of the gaming industry.
@@Whoyouwishyouwere top 10 yapper trappers
@@Babydropzero nope. You're just below 70.
We Fallout fans are literally that one meme at this point.
''How does it feel to live long enough to see all your favourite franchises go down in flames?''
''Feels great''
Even worse that quote is about Shane black a guy who indeed added to the flame this his own garbage predator movie.
What annoys me the most is how people keep excusing bad writing in the show with video game logic. Like Maximus being an 'idiot savant' because its a perk in Fallout 4. Video game logic doesn't make for good writing when it comes to characters. Just because I can use the 357. magnum to fly in New Vegas doesnt mean it makes for good storytelling and makes sense in the world. These people could see a character get their head blown off clean and then appear fine in the next scene and they'd justify it by saying they loaded a quicksave.
The people excusing the turret mini gun missing the lumbering doctor at point blank gave me whiplash
@@yarus5889Genuine cartoon logic. That scene alone is so stupid , the fact that even that is getting coped for speaks volumes about the modern Fallout fanbase.
I mean the video game logic they use isn't accurate. They apply the concept of Luck from Fallout the video game, to what we consider real world luck, but if we want to justify writing using Video game mechanics - well, thats not how mechanics work.
Idiot Savant doesn't just drop success on you if you do stupid things. Idiot Savant gives you extra XP based on how low your INT score is, meanwhile INT gives you steady extra EXP. Idiot savant gives you random bonus EXP. ACcording to game mechanics smart character levels up better across the board, while idiot savant levels up more, but in unreliable random bursts. Leveling up in fallout 4 means picking up perks. Progression of Savant is unreliable and all over the place, while high INT character just picks up new skills regularly faster. This is not how this is in the show, Maximus never learns something or improves.
Luck in fallout games doesn't affect plot progression. It affects gambling, chance of success in certain affairs, and special random encounter, and in 3 and NV gives a slight bonus to all skills. It doesn't make yo encounter Benny randomly while travelling to the desert. It makes reaching Benny easier because you are just very slightly better at everything, and sometimes do lucky hits at the enemy that deal more damage. It doesn't make you stumble upon Geck randomly in Fallout 2. It makes all your dice rolls a bit better, and increases chances of special random encounters that might benefit you on your quest. Luck in fallout have never been about reality literally bending over you. 10 luck doesn't means everything just comes your way, it just means that odds are slightly more in your favor when you try to do something, but you still need to actually good at thing you are doing.
@@hochiminh590the doctor probably had 10 agility and 10 luck, totally accurate to the game
@@yarus5889 but it's completely consistent with things that happened in Fallout 1 and 2.
Who dafuq cites a Wikia article as canon, much less brags about consuming Wikia and Fallout YT? If you're going to lie to establish your appeal to authority, at least say you've been a fan of the game going back to 1997 and how you liked BoS and Tactics. But, these tourists can't even do a good job at lying.
The fuck do you mean who does that?
Who doesn't?
Who the fuck goes to talk about a topic without doing the bare minimum and reading about the topic like 5 minutes?
The state of Fallout can be summarized in the words of The Master: 'There is no hope ... Leave while you still have hope'
I'd like to add a 'right now' for the quote, as you said no matter how big the fire is it eventually extinguish itself.
Also the Sonic comparison, pretty good.
he didn't say 'there is no hope' he said 'leave now... while you still have hope'
@@Aprocrisin that's why I used the three dots, to skip the 'leave now'.
Ah yes the master, aka "one goal,one prace" is just like the old Fallout fan. Can't enjoy nothing else.
@@rogerloger1935 ain't that the truth
EE: "Enclave Emily here, why isn't your video feed working?"
Bethesda fanboy: "Is this Bethesda pre order phone line? I'd like to pre order Fallout 5, with extra slob please!"
EE: "Who the? Why I, I SHOULD KICK YOUR ASS, WHO IS THIS?!"
I thought I was mad when I endured all eight episodes of Fallout show and deemed it to be bad while the majority of the internet seems to support the show unironically. Then I realized the fact that we're simply being outnumbered 15 to 1.
We need to leave the bunker and adapt, one could say.
Here a hint bud, Normie money are worth as such yours. The difference? They are 100 to 1.
@@rogerloger1935 yeah fuck having good writing or any sort of talent all we need is slop for morons
What a great state of affairs
@@rogerloger1935 yeah we don’t need good writing or any sort of actual talent. All that is needed is iconography slop.
What a great state of affairs we should defend and encourage.
Im with you mate. Im critical of the show too because of things like, idk, moving shady sands a couple hundreds kilometer for no reason.
Remember how everyone loved Force Awakened when it came out? Now you'd be hard pressed to find someone that will admit they liked it? The Fallout show will be like that in time - Just like Fallout 4.
Was that the 7th movie? Its alright. OG star wars dont exatly make sense either but they are still good movies
@@Matias-dr3ysDidn't make any sense?
Now I know you haven't watched the OT.
I've only seen the inverse, the older Fallout 4 gets the more people seem to appreciate the aspects that it improved on VS Fallout 3 and even New Vegas.
Especially regarding a much more consistent fleshed out pre-war world vs any of previous Fallout games.
The Settlement building has even started to be appreciated, which is good as it's honestly a fitting addition to the Fallout games.
True
@@hankkits4043 It is called "lower your standards spiral". When things get progressively worse, like with 76, people start to look up to older garbage because it is not as bas as new garbage.
aside from gatekeeping, perhaps Fallout fans could try to give their vocal, and if applicable practical, support to likewise fan-made efforts which attempt to really capture what makes Fallout the franchise that it once was. stuff like Sonora/Dayglow and the attempt at a Van Buren remake don't get enough attention I feel. plus it's less money for the people who crank out this new slop
And don't forget the projects of love here on youtube like "Red star" or "nuka break" (it's original creator is busy making a sort of sequel).
While not perfect, and certainly not on the same level of funding like an amazon show, they still tend to be much more respectful to the source material, while also slightly altering things for the sake of creating a unique story (I personally don't like that they wrote edward sallow as having a brother called leon who is his own seperate legion-commander. It contradicts everything we know about caesar. But it's the only instance of such a massive retconn, fanmade or otherwise.)
@@RedFloyd469 Sadly classic purists can't support that guy anymore because he commited the cardinal sin of not seething over the Fallout show
@@misakayy1911 Im just gonna keep making Fallout Equestria content myself.
Can also try supporting similar alternative games, like ATOM RPG.
@@misakayy1911 are the classic purists in the same room as us?
I recently finished playing the classic fallout games and it made me understand a bit better what many hardcore fallout fans are talking about when they say Bethesda doesn’t understand fallout. The story and world and characters are well thought out and each side quest has a significant impact on each play through. I’m not a hardcore fallout fan by any means. I still enjoyed the modern fallout games and the show but after playing the classics I can see where all the hardcore fans are coming from and I would like to see fallout return to the classics level of story telling
Agree. I see why they think bethesda doesn't understand fallout. My problem with classic fallout fans is that they can't just let you enjoy something. It's not "I don't enjoy bethesda fallout but it's fine if you do, it's just not my cup of tea", it's "bethesda fallout is shit and your taste is shit if you like it"
@@LucaBattiato-lm4rn Real they’re always so toxic, if I even mention fallout 3, 4, or 76 it’s immediately: “Oh? Those games? They’re piles of horseshit. Why would you even bring them up?”. I honestly wish people would let people enjoy stuff. They immediately resort to rude insults and toxicity, reminds me of league, which is frightening.
I think the show will be exactly like Star Wars 7,
at first everyone will find it extraordinary then season 2 comes along, and suddenly the whole show will be called into question.
Yeah, same as the Mandalorian. I hated that show from the outset, so it was very cathartic when people finally turned against it by Season 3
Very similar indeed, just compare what they did to the New Republic in SW and the NCR here.
They love destroying what we/our heroes built.
@@fathorse8 I don't think it's a question of necessarily wanting to destroy, it's simply a question of making an IP more accessible to a larger audience.
Then there's the fact that certain directors, writers, producers, like to change the elements of an IP to either get a political message across or simply because they felt like making this change, most of whom don't give a damn whether it holds up with the IP's lore.
I'm sure most of them think like Pete Hines : _“not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls”_
oh definitely, just looking at the ending of szn 1 your nv playthrough is basically pointless lmao
They may ruin it in season 2 or later, once they see they have an audience in. But if it goes south, I'll jump ship like I made sure to watch it on the high seas first before properly on Amazon due to how great season 1 was. As a lifelong fan of Fallout since #1 in the 90s, season 1 is outstanding.
“The Fallout Show was good though. Checkmate nerd ;)” - TK mantis
What you get when you try to counter the mainstream opinion everybody.
Mainstream opinion likes the show, smart one. Hardcore Fallout fans have problems with the show due to lore inconsistencies
@@hungedteddy7971 and I hate the show because of it’s terrible writing and characters.
I don't think you need to be "hard core" to notice that the show is so incompetent that the ghoul that knows how to one tap power armor forgets how to one tap power armor when he fights a main character in power armor, but hey, what do I know. I must be a rabid Vegas purist.
@@EnclaveEmily He could have just forgotten in the moment. Mind you he had a screwdriver for that scene so it's possible he just found it and figured he had a chance to kill some assholes in Power Armor with that part and I honestly think the ghoul was just fucking with Max as he might have figured him to be really green for a knight. Does the show have writing problems... A lot but what Fallout game doesn't have their own problems with writing. (Fallout 2, 3, ,4). I like the show, it's not as bad as people make it out to be as I think it's meant to appeal to Gen Z fallout fans but to each their own I guess
TKs Mantis has gone full shill mode for Bethesda. The guy straight up got a Starfield tattoo. lmao
>converation
Bethout fanboys: ENTIRE VIDEO IS INVALID!!!!!
Check your spelling, and I'll give you a heart
@@EnclaveEmily I was making a joke that at the start of the video, the text says "converation" instead of conversation, hence defenders of Slopout will say the video is invalid. Or are you playing a joke on me now?
Oh I didn't notice the spelling error. Well, you get a heart then
@@EnclaveEmily conglaturation :P
Enclave Emily Lore Master and Prominent Revewer can't even do THE FLAG right, and has 12-small stars flag, while all those flags are with 13 (number of Commonwealths) with simbol in the middle representing those who are "federal rule"
You are correct. All we all needed to do was gatekeep half as hard as the average NMA forum goer, and we would have been far better off.
If anything has been learned over the last few decades, it must be that gatekeeping is always the answer, and the more ruthless and unforgiving of slop and drift, the better.
Great video, EE.
can’t even tell if that’s satire or not lmao
I wholeheartedly agree, fans who really love a franchise definitely need to gatekeep in order to keep people out that will destroy the franchise or hobby, like fallout, Star Wars or even Dungeons and dragons.
@@dawsonh420It isn't. Gatekeeping is good.
What the fuck do I even say to express my opinion here? I guess I'll start off by saying your point is baffling, I could never rationalize it ever being right.
I'm speaking on terms of gatekeeping, not anything in this video. Just, people have different interpretations of stuff, right? New people join communities, right?
Why would it be rational to stop them from talking about the series, you might get rid of the bad takes from people who barely know the thing, but you also lose that interpretation. It's better to have a bunch of dimwits than a bunch of people who come up with the same opinions.
I'm also pulling out the It's not that serious card, cause it is. It's a game, stop being so negative to ideas stemming from others. Don't pull the "what if their ideas ruin how the author should make the series" cause while, that can be true, why does anything going in a new direction hurt? Nothing can be the same ever, things change. Yes, of course fans should be heard, but we should never have the same adventure on the same land with the same characters, cause it's about the story, not about how comforting the series can be.
Sorry for sounding so harsh. I don't like this opinion, but it's your opinion. I'm not gonna changenyour thoughts on a whim, but just stop sounding so negative, okay? You can't control things, so stop trying. I have some maybe stupid advice? If you want something in a series, make it yourself. It doesn't matter if it's low quality or not, if it's made for just you or for everyone. There are so many ways you can make a story, even without materials. Don't wait on a company to make your stories.
I didn’t matter how hard we gate kept
Bethesda own the franchise and make the franchise for and market it towards the lowest common denominator
As an NCR fanboy I got scared you were gonna be one of those people that take what Hildern said at face value, but yeah fair point.
Also that video of the flanderization of fallout has become so painfully accurate :/
I don't consider what the "smart guy" characters or even people say at face value, like, ever. His conclusion is based on variables in his equation that lead to a conclusion. But variables are.. well.. variable, and that says enough.
The problem with "smart" people in the fallout franchise as a whole (before the beth takeover), is that they are also human, and are equally capable of being greedy, narcissistic, ideological, cynical, etc... Intelligence does not remove human traits altogether, as a good story should explore.
Hildern is smart. He's also greedy, politically motivated, and shortsighted. He knew the risks of vault 22 and still accepted them, all for short term gain. He's essentially the ncr's institutions in a nutshell.
The point is, that "bad" character traits, in obsidian fallout, were seen as human traits. That includes the insanity and awkward horniness of the big MT brains. They are a tragic lot, and consequentially evil, though at the price of never really understanding their own evil. They are stuck in an infinite loop, all in order to preserve them out of Mobius' distorted sense of loyalty or love for his colleagues.
Behind the silly humor and "stupid" stuff characters may or may not do, in obsidian's fallout, is likely a human element.
In beth fallout, stupidity is just stupidity, horniness is just horniness and crazyness is just crazyness. Maximus has no reason to be THIS stupid or out of touch. In fact, a good portion of his character is that he can be smart at times. So why contradict that a few scenes down the line?
A perfect Bethesda example: everybody loves the gary vault in fallout 3, but realistically, the vault makes no sense, cloning does not create perfect copies, and why would such perfect copies even constantly say "gary". It's silly dumb shit for the sake of silly dumb shit, that gets excused by fans because of the franchise's inherent wacky side.
Compare this to how vaults are treated in new vegas, as cruel, fucked up, and darkly comical experiments by a paranoid government's funded cabal of science-fact-obsessed-psychopaths. If anything is "wacky" about this, it's because reality, in it's darkest moments, tends to be almost comical.
I'm not saying obsidian always makes perfect stuff. Far from it. But there is a sincere difference in philosophy between the two studios. How intelligence and seriousness is portrayed is part of that.
Your star wars exemple is right i was the biggest star wars fan and now i absolutely hate it
The shills could save time by responding to critisizm with a simple "REEEE"
This whole video is a "reee"
@@ryandavis5974ok? Than why are you here boosting the views and engagement? 😂
Because I work from home, I'm argumentative and I'm bored. I understand it increases engagement but I prefer to call out BS when I see it than let AI take over. Ever heard of the "dead internet theory"
@@ryandavis5974wow you just sounded like a loser and dead internet THEORY your not some unsung hero fighting Ai for the future of humanity, you sound like a person with mental illness tbh
@@ryandavis5974bro really thinks hes the main character 😂
Only 1, 2, and NV are canon. The rest are in their own stupid alternate universe. Bethesda Fallout is an absolute joke.
I agree. Although I guess 3 isnt that bad for the lore either...
@@commandergreetv753
*Cough cough* Mothership Zeta *cough cough*
nope, they're canon. seethe
@@misakayy1911
>Nope, they're c-ACKKKK!!!!
@misakayy1911 yes, youre right
the “ghouls now need special juices to stay sentient” retconn is so stupid because there are examples of many ghouls cut off from the outside workd that are sentient that would have no way to get said special juices. take the ghould boy in the fridge from fallout 4 for example. was he drip fed the special juices from a hole in the fridge while he was there? i guess todd howard and the shows writers think so
Bethesda never understood what fallout is. 76 and 4 is a bastardization of Fallout. And 3 really wants to be a Fallout game.
Fallout is super mutants, ghouls, bad guys, caps and nukes. The show has all of that so check and m8
@@ThisIsMyTH-camAccount1 that doesn't make Fallout, I guess you're one of them people doesn't understand what fallout is. bit like Bethesda...
I think he's being sarcastic
@@EnclaveEmily I really don't think so I see a lot of Bethesda fans like this
@PrimeDecanus Damn I didn't know I did a caricature that well here lmao. Nah, I'm on your side for sure.
It really doesn't bother me that this show exists but rather that so many "fans" say they enjoy it and Amazon did a good job with it, not only enabling the greed those socialists/communists claim to be against but enabling bad entries into one of my favorite fictional universes to continue to be created, leaving the owner of the IP to believe they did everything right.
Imagine if a BioShock movie came out and had Borderlands writing with cringey jokes all over the place. The fans of the franchise would obviously be angry about it, but the tourists would still claim that it's a faithful adaption because an underwater city that fell due to a lack of regulations is actually supposed to be hilarious. The feeling BioShock fans would have would be the same as the Fallout fans have now.
Bingo. Well said.
Did bro play old world blues? The entire dlc was borderlands esque humor, new vegas fans truly lack media literacy
@@Bigshady843 hahahahahaha
You did not get OWB at all, did you? Did you just read a wiki entry on it, is that why? Or did you get through the whole DLC without understanding what was behind the wacky humor at all?
hahahahahaha
You tourists make it so easy to spot you and call you out, hilarious!
@@Bigshady843 is Old World Blues all of New Vegas? Also
>media literacy
Are you baiting?
@@BobSmith-kk4kp I’ve played old world blues over twenty times, the humor is literally penis humor
Yes, I'm thinking Bethesda sends people or that bot that replied to the Starfield reviews into comment sections to try sway conversation.
They just REFUSE to see the point and try repeat the same talking points.
Yo I gatekeeped hard. The rest of you must have been slacking
Not hard enough
I'm picking up my game. I will one day be known as Hubert: The Great Keeper of Fallout.
When a company like Bethesda owns the IP, then gatekeeping becomes moot. They have the marketing power to get the casuals to buy and will cater to them. This kind of tactic is only good for short term gains. Once the casuals get bored and moved on, the actual fans that left out of disgust will no longer be there to support it. The same thing happened with the Bayformers, Star Wars, or the Marvel series of movies.
We literally felt how the Desert Rangers felt when the fought the Legion in Arizona and Nevada, absolutely decimated by the sheer number of them, and besides that, they are literally braindead, I tried helping one of those folks mod New Vegas and they legit can't read a guide on the Viva New Vegas website and even then no matter how much I try to help, they just can't do it even with the most basic of instructions like Jesus, so I just dipped and ditched them, we aren't gatekeeping against sane individuals here, many of them have little to no reading comprehension, there is nothing we can do against a bunch of consoomers that can't think for themselves, hell if they can even think, it's over, fun while it lasted but yeah it's very much over.
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
Bethesda inherent need to make any media in Fallout a wasteland in a never ending apocalypse goes against another point of Fallout. We see civilization bounce back in the first 2 games. Iirc by the time of New Vegas, Shady Sands and a lot of the NCR is comparable to the 20th Century in living standard with power, cars, and infrastructure.
But we see none of that in the show despite being deep inside NCR territory. Because Bethesda cant have a Fallout setting unless its a dead wasteland with only small tribal villages barely making it day by day. Ive been calling it for years that Bethesda would do it if they ever touched the West Coast.
People also dont seem to bring up how Vault Tec nuked Shady Sands despite Shady Sands being a result of one of Vault Tecs vaults. Like ???????.
The thing is with Fallout "fans" that you cannot have a proper argument with them. You can make the most detailed argument/responses and all they do is "La la la I can't hear you, you're stupid." or call you a neckbeard weirdo.
that's just all fanbases, really. Especially ones that deal with a franchise that takes itself rather seriously, like fallout (or at least did.)
I mean, from what I can assume, you yourself are probably a fallout fan, that would mean calling yourself out on being a fallacy spouter.
No, in reality, it's just the internet being the internet. Decent, but perhaps long and well-argumented comments and takes aren't nearly as popular or "liked", in a more literal sense, than short, snappy, controversial, provocative statements based on strawman ad hominem fallacies. There is a reason "TL;DR" is a well known concept. You can't have good debates with short and snappy insults. But only short and snappy insults get all the attention, and good argumentation gets hated on for being longer than a single paragraph. It's anti-intellectualism in practice.
So when a fanbase is split in half through the franchise' own failings (or perhaps successes, from a different perspective), that's just bound to get tempers flaring and all the demagogues and ragebaiters out of the woodworks.
I'd say the same thing about this video and channel, honestly. You can make your argument and still be respectful. Trying to backpedal by saying it was actually just hyperbole and the people who took the ragebait seriously are "stupid", is in fact just repeating the toxic cycle. You're kind of proving their point. This isn'timproving the debate or making a point in a valid manner. It's just ragebait (itself a valid but cynical tactic for several youtube channels. I just wish they'd actually have a spine about it and not whine the moment they get criticized for it.)
And I say that from the point of somebody who in fact doesn't particularly like the show's direction. The lore was all over the place, the chalkboard scene is a travesty from both a lore AND writing perspective, the humor is typical bethesda derping, a lot of character decisions or behavior doesn't make sense, important canon events of the games are either glossed over or straight up stay unmentioned despite being VERY important to the setting, etc...etc...
The show is a franchise expander. It expands it's audience to normies. It's also a "fan" pleaser, in the sense that if you starve the fans enough of good content, they'll start to drool over barely decent content instead if you wait long enough. It wasn't made for the good kind of fan. It was made for consumption, and that's just a fact no matter how you spin it.
I've found that that's mostly the non-bethesda fallout glazers
The show isnt a insult its a humiliation ritual.
As someone who calls himself a Sonic fan, let me give you some context at 23:17.
This clip is from the game Sonic Colors, released in 2010. At this moment in time, the franchise was absolutely in the gutter, and probably would have died off if Sega had more than a single braincell left to spare. Colloquially we (sonic fans) call 2010-ish the end of the 'dark ages'.
The reason for this, is that in amidst all these mediocre or downright terrible games comes Sonic Colors, a game that for once isn't utter dogshit but actually decent to play, even if it was playing it incredibly safe and sterile. When the game first came out, you had people, maingly critics glazing the game for it over and over. Nowadays though people know better and see that the game was not as good as everyone thought it was, but it was still a necessary evil while the franchise truly was at rock bottom, and we were looking for every single W we could find.
But even still, we got right back to the gatekeeping and complaining once the cringe and childish humor for 'mass appeal' wasn't really ignorable anymore, if that's even a word.
I was always confused as to why the 2010s were considered the end of the dark ages, when the entire 2010s, minus Mania and Generations were effectively The Dark Ages. I've been a sonic fan for 20 years now, and I'm happy that the franchise I love is coming back. I've always hated Colours though.
@@EnclaveEmily I don't think the debate around when the dark ages actually ended is going to end anytime soon I guess lol.
I just gave the generally accepted point in time it ended to better articulate what I was trying to say. These days everyone calls the 2010s the 'meta era' because of the self-aware mass appeal slop that seeped in starting from Colors and faded away after Forces. I mean jesus christ just have a look at the cutscenes from Lost World. Mania is treated as more of an outlier in that regard.
But yeah, like you said in the video, despite the 2 decades of subpar crap we were given, we never stopped complaining or lowering the bar, whilst franchises like Total War and now also Fallout did, and what Sonic got from that is a goddamn comeback. There's a lesson to be learned there indeed. Cheers for the video and have a good day :)
The writing of Fallout 4 and the TV show is an absolute insult to anyone with a brain.
The show is worse than 4; 4 at least had some good parts to it.
The show is way worse than 4
It's feel like something that was born out of large incompetent and rushed writing.
Fallout 3 tried,
Fallout 4 is a trash bin,
Fallout TV Show is a worthless shell.
All going to be a cycle sooner or later...
In my head I still have this idea for a better TV show consisting of three not connected seasons each telling their own story:
1. A young man from the fringes of the NCR decides to enlist in the NCR military. We see parts of everyday life in rural NCR and the protagonist tour of duty including the finale set during the first Battle of Hoover Dam.
2. The final days of Camp Navarro before the NCR assault. We see a more human side of Enclave soldiers and their families stationed there including the New Vegas remnants and the mother of young Arcade Gannon. Sergeant Arch Dornan prepares the final detachment of new soldiers for the upcoming defense in his iconic ironfisted way, but we learn he deeply cares about his fellow men. The finale ends with Dornan and his men making a last stand to block an assault of NCR forces on the Vertibird hangars so the remnants and the Gannon family can escape.
3. Just the story of Vault 11 as told by the terminal entries and the storytelling skellingtons and that final holotape recording outside the vault entrace in New Vegas.
Bro.
Seriously. Someone should fund you. These are all really good premises for a show.
I'll try and add a few of my own.
1. The founding of Jacobstown. Where we're reintroduced to Marcus the supermutant and his story of gaining support for the reconstruction of the Mt. Charleston ski resort lodge to become a home for destitute supermutants and nightkin. Showing the general attitude of supermutants as wanting to live unbothered for the most part, as well as the troubles and dark past that being a supermutant entails.
2. Joshua Graham's journey and integration into the Zion Valley's tribes. Told In Medias Res, where Joshua is already acting Warchief of the Dead Horses and planning preparations to defend against a White Legs attack. Using multiple long flashbacks of Joshua's career as Malpais Legate to explain as "inspiration" for his tactics and strategy in the upcoming fight, big fight scene against the White Legs as the climax, ending with one last flashback to his fiery fall into the Grand Canyon and subsequent survival while reflecting on their victory. Reminiscent of a baptism.
3. Sheriff Myer's and how he got himself imprisoned in NCRCF. Basically a big Dirty Harry reference/tribute.
Just found this channel, holy shit, I'm not the only one that sees the franchise becoming watered down wacky wasteland with 1950s shapes and colors. With nothingburger
the gaslighting has been unreal
"No you dont understand! That one doctor who reference in fallout 1 means that the franchise has always been a meaningless nothingburger!!!"
this video reminded me of why I hate every other person in my favorite IP's "fanbase" in multiple ways, so thanks for that I guess
I used to be a annoying starwars purist and then one day I just kinda got bored and now I cringe from that real tho
@@cornfed_corn5628 So they stole something from you that brought you joy.
@@billjacobs521 yup
Another good essay on the topic. I am surrounded by people who try to excuse the new series and even Fallout 76. 'Tis good to know you're not alone fighting for the real Fallout.
Ave. True to OG fanbase.
The man now own the real "Fallout",pathetic.
@@rogerloger1935 pathetic is Bethesda handling canon and turning a grim wasteland with lots of unethical and questionable stuff going on to a playground with Fat Men, since blowing up nukes is fun.
It is, I guess, Bethesda at their best - they just long to make an extraordinary visual scene in spite of common sense. Just like with blowing up you-know-what in TV series, and to do so seamlessly, they moved it just a *tiny bit* very far
Remember folks.
It just works! Right?!
Tbh at this point I am done with fallout.
As a friend of mine said that used to be a fallout fan „people actually caring about fallout for its seriousness have left it behind with 76 at the latest“
And I just gotta agree and call it quits, Bethesda has ruined fallout and there simply is no way to repair the damage done by now…
We can only gatekeep so hard and for so long till the line collapses.
Overall, I agreed with your points in the Fo Show review (still can't believe what they've done to the franchise), but i found the anger/insults to be a little excessive, you're making it easy for people who want to dismiss you
Can u blame him though it’s so infuriating the state it has reached
I wont say I love the points you make, but I respect them, and I respect you. Tbh I saw the writing on the wall of a lot of franchises a long time ago. The age of the nerd I see has died and many haven't realized that yet. Everything is mainstream or will be soon. Halo, Fallout, Warhammer, Magic the Gathering, D&D its all mainstream and has fallen from grace. And I just think... "What can I do but shrug and watch"
@@Caragoner here's what you can do: the unpopular thing and push back against it. Look at the Sonic Franchise and how it's now advertised as for fans, making content based on lore and to please old fans of it.
Shrugging just guarantees it keeps happening
18:38 That’s funny. The Roman Empire falling is somehow a good analogy to the NCR’s state, but also does not apply to the Brotherhood.
Fallout truly has become a parody of itself. It was already bad before the show, but since then its gotten so much worse. Branded drinks, soulless merch, and even an MTG partnership. All we can really hope for is Xbox's greed wanting a fallout game now while its popular licensing the IP out to literally anybody else. Obsidian and inxile being the obvious choices being under microsoft, but even larian said they really wanted to make a fallout game
For the love of god please let larian make a fallout game
I did my part gatekeeping for many years but the recent influx from the Amazon series has really just been too much for anyone to bear. I think it’s truly over this time, we’ve lost our franchise for good.
Todd seem have won,Good finally.
@@rogerloger1935 Come back when you can form a basic sentence without butchering it grammatically.
@@quagmoe7879 Nah I will stay,a good cow need to be milk,I will do my duty.
@@rogerloger1935 And I will laugh 😂
Never give up, never surrender. Hold the line!
Seriously tho, never going to give up on Fallout. Will be gatekeeping till the grave, and I hope you will join me in doing so.
Plus, the Tourists are really fun and easy to mock and anger.
Really good video by the way I especially liked what you said at the end, and I do agree what needs to happen fallout needs to die and be resurrected and be brought back to its glory. I do agree it has to get worse before it gets better because I want it to get better the storytelling of fallout 1&2 new Vegas we’re great, and I want more of that and you’re gonna find this hilarious my first fallout game I hesitate to even call it that myself because After experiencing the rest of the series my first game was fallout 4 two years after that game came out I went back and played the rest of the series and I was hooked after that and I fell in love with new Vegas. And I really want another fallout game like that so if the series has to die to make that happen that would be great anyways, you have for sure earned yourself a new subscriber.
I love Fallout. Clearly you do as well. I disagree with so many of your opinions, but I think that it's incredible that the Fallout series has that draw. We all take something from it and we are all very passionate about what we find in it. That's so cool
I stopped caring about the stories because i know they will be trash, im just happy we get more materials for cosplays.
When you see the New Vegas day at the pionner saloon, this is where the community is. I'm working on a Follower of the apoc, this will be fun.
That's fine for you. But you should at the very least acknowledge that not everybody is a cosplayer, and the core community's wishes to maintain a consistent lore canon are very valid, and in fact more so than a nonsensical apathatic approach to writing which is what you display here.
Whether you like the show or not, you will always have your cosplays. But normal fans don't have the luxury of apathy.
@@RedFloyd469 I'm asking you to be real with me here.
Do you truly believe we will ever get video games as good as 2000-2010?
Devs theses days were DnD players, thats why RPGs were so good.
Devs theses days were insulted all day by all medias, but they came to work because they love it.
Devs nowadays are 9 to 5ers.
We will never - ever - get good video games anymore.
I have no hope for this industry.
Give me one game in the past 3 years that dealt with rape trauma the way NV did it with that NCR chick. None. We are never getting adult stories, its all about fortnite fun now.
Gaming is over.
@@sergentoddball3617 indie games are pretty good.
Hope to see ya next year at NVD it's the only way I can stick it to Bethesda is by still praising a 10 year old game that wasn't made by them but used they're favored IP 🥹🥹 it's poetic
@@DagoIsGamin i cant go to NVD, im french and cant travel lol. I will be a local small con tomorrow with some other fallout cosplayers.
The most annoying thing about the decline of Fallout is that it's happening to the thunderous clapping of Bethesda NPCs.
The first 2 Fallouts were not games made for mass appeal. Still, they always had a loyal following for what they were. Then, enter the Casuals' Era. Bethesda smelled the money and began dumbing down everything to appeal to as wide audience as possible. It's like you had your favorite cocktail with a unique blend of ingredients, but then a new bar owner came and took notice of it. They wanted to sell more of it, so they replaced 90% of the ingredients with water, but still sold it under the same name. New clients came in, tasted the watered down sludge and declared that it's awesome. That and yelled at anyone who tried to explain that it's not what this drink ought to be and that the original is far tastier.
And that's your recipe for disaster. Replace actual fans with mindless drones who will preorder everything you put out, because they don't have two brain cells to rub together.
The Fallout we deserved is "Kenshi" if you've played Kenshi it's a better Fallout game than anything Bethesda has made. Arguably even better than New Vegas.
Kenshi is amazing
the only reason to play bethesda fallout games is for the """"canon""""(aka: fucking the lore in every game)
Its one thing for a show to be bad
Its another for a show to have red flags BEFORE IT RELEASED with writers talking about how it would be "a wacky gonzo mindblowing adventure",which is only accurate if you look at fallout from a very reductionist view of someone who didnt put that much thought into it,nor is very smart,a midwit consoomer.
I am no longer convinced on the whole "Its a good show but not a good adaptation" argument thanks to this show,if you cant even respect what came before you,of a franchise that isnt even yours then chances are you probably wont write something good.
I don’t deserve it because I’m special
Damn... he really is.
and so are you
@@EnclaveEmily 😳🥺
The Secret Meeting scene from Fallout the Show was also a 4th wall foreshadow that the Creators of the show and Bethesda want to 'launch the nuke' to ruin the old lore so they can be the only ones to benefit from the praise of the existence of the Fallout Series without having to ever being compared to the original 2 and New Vegas.
I also agree fallout is a philosophical game in writing, from one, 2 and New Vegas, do tackle questions that help and allow the player how this world words, and reflection to real life. My name favourite exsamples in New Vegas, are indeed characters like Joshua Graham, Mr. House and well The God, characters that give perspectives and insight that you can take yourself outside the game, not forcing you to think, allowing you to choose for yourself, thus the value of self autonomy of fallout.
The capitalism thing is, with no shadow of a doubt, the most stupid thing I ever saw on a show or film. Neil Breen's movies don't come close to this. The people who wrote this show are children.
Yeah these people havent touched a single contrary opinion to the far leftie view of capitalism,its something stupid but has become all too common
This show doesn't oppose capitalism in any shape way or form, even when it's given plenty of opportunity to do so, Moldaver herself said she wasn't a socialist and just 'a patriot'. The only criticism it does is a very shallow view of lobbying, monopolies and some criticism over AI.
@@joem.9256 what do you mean by that?
@@arthurg.calixto3338 The capitalists literally nuke the world Dr. Evil style for money. Did you watch the show?
@@abcde6081 Is it a criticism of capitalism if the show proposes a nebulous "better capitalism" as it's most moral alternative? Also, I'm not even a libertarian or pro-capitalism myself, but from what I've heard lots of libertarians and such would argue that the state the world reached in Fallout is not even truly capitalism.
This New Vegas gameplay is distracting, ngl. Seeing it looking like that wehre as I am having it as close to vanilla as possible for nearly 90 hours now... is just weird, lol
Well, it's a side effect of having a hyper-modded game (400+mods, customized textures and custom scripts). Believe it or not, that's the game toned down from what it actually looks like when I'm playing usually lol.
@@EnclaveEmily I followed the VNV guide and got to 200 mods, but that was enough for me. I played the game until DeadMoney (over 100 hours) back in 2017 and had it drop to 15 fps with crashes every single session. So for the time being I just wanna see the vanilla content. But it thankfully looks like modding the game has progressed considerably these days, so I plan on doing quest mods and the like in the future.
I assume you have an ENB running, becasue the lighting is looking very different, right?
Another thing those mouth breathers do is accuse you of being a tourist when you call them out for it. It's crazy.
Personally i'm comfortable with fallout existing as a trilogy of games focused on the California / Nevada area of the US after an apocalypse. What Bethesda have made simply isn't fallout, its not even similar to it in any way beyond surface level marketing and I think that's better than the alternative of them trying and failing to continue the west coasts story. The people who made the fallout trilogy what it was are gone now, they've retired and moved on to new projects, and no one else has the ability to continue what they started (and i believe they shouldn't. Fallout, at least in america, should have ended with New Vegas.)
If fallout were to continue as a franchise, i think fallout London is the right way to go about it. It should be new trilogies in new countries with new ideas and iconography. Sadly its likely we'll never end up seeing London release thanks to Bethesda's thinly veiled sabotage. As it stands Bethesda is going to keep making borderlands lite and slapping the fallout name on it and the normies are going to keep eating it up. That's not going to change until Emil and Todd are out of the picture, and i have a feeling whatever comes next would be worse.
Todd stated that Fallout is an USA only game, especially because of the 50s Retro-Futuristic aesthetics.
However he is a liar.
That said I hope they will fix something in FO5 otherwise it will be just post-apocalypse sim until its death
You've hit the nail on the head, the apologists are actually cultists. They've wanted a fallout show that how dare you point out that it sucks. I call them trekkie-like cultists. put the logo on a turd and they gobble it up yum, yum, yum, no matter how badly it stinks. They're useless. The writing sucked, the characters sucked, putting fallout bobbles in it (power armor, energy weapons they never fired, etc) doesn't make it suck any less. These are the same geniouses that prepay for games, you know, the ones they've never seen or played but willingly hand over their cash? And they wonder why tod and bethesday feeds them turds.
And you guys call us tribal
@@DroidStudios001 Prove the writing doesn't suck, prove the characters don't suck. That isn't much of an argument. Bethesda hasn't had a real writer since..... never had a real writer. the show is all over the place, I've played the games from the first, way before bethesda ever aquired it by default. Bethesda doesn't understand the I.P. they aquired. Praising garbage doesn't make it any less garbage. When bethesda creates something good, I'll be there cheering them on with you but I don't see that happening any time soon.
@@vorlonanon4055 The creator of the first game disagrees with you
@@vorlonanon4055 you do realize that Bethesda and Todd Howard didn’t write the fallout show right during the production they had the executive producer role
@@DroidStudios001 No ,they just rubber stamped it knowing that it made no sense the retcons made no sense, and the characters were a joke. Don't tell me you don't think they didn't have to green light this turd?
The wider audience and its consequences have been a disaster for your franchise/hobby/entertainment.
tbf fallout 2 was criticized for its unserious tone. this is because it included too many 4th wall breaking jokes and references. san francisco was so half-baked they were just like fuck it kung-fu. and having a faction just be scientologists was just bizarre and dumb. also redding plays way to hard into the old west tropes (same with mafia tropes in New Reno, among other things). fallout 2 redeems itself though because while there is a bunch of shit, the good parts put together probably make a bigger game than the original fallout, so its a true sequel. i've certainly played a lot of it.
in fact i might blame fallout 2 for the eventual shift in tone with bethesda. I don't think you could take fallout in the direction they did if they were just working with Fallout 1. that game sets a tone and stays there, it is bleak.
ill add that the shows humor and bethesdas humor are different that fallout 2's humor so its not like they're copying the homework. and not to sound biased but i do think fallout 2 is funnier even if the outdated reference humor is super cringe.
Ironically enough fallout 3 is more true to fallout 1 in tone then fallout new Vegas is
@@empathetic4100 3's atmosphere is the best in the series imo. it's what got me into the games in the first place. RIP adam adamowicz, i really wish they would have emulated his style for fallout 4
Im almost certain 2 of the quests you mentioned about on fallout 4 are side quests (or optional) but besides that yeah the main quest blows.
I kind of wish the show was written better and took place in Colorado like intended. I know the showrunners don't mean to come off this way but I can see why people are taking this as a diss to the West Coast.
Told my friend i made it thru 3 episodes and didnt like the show. He said i need to "turn my brain off to enjoy it"
I'll repeat something I posted on another video about this: "We're constantly asked to turn our brains off to enjoy media... How about they turn THEIR brains ON for a change???" Demand better written shows!!!
I tried to turn my brain off to watch and I still couldn't get through the second episode.
@@ZeLunatic Well said.
That’s funny because I need to turn my brain off to enjoy Bethesda’s Fallout games, but I need to turn my brain on to enjoy Fallout 1, 2, and NV.
Hmm………..
Makes me glad I post on NMA
Based.
As much as your points are valid, especially that of the decline of some more serious aspects of the franchise, the show was still quite enjoyable even despite some awkward dialogue and lack of a thought provoking narrative. No adaptation is perfect but this is one of the best we’ve gotten. It seems the distaste for the show stems from how the series as a whole has become less grim and leans more into the happier more eccentric exterior that hides darker secrets (present since f3 but more since f4). However if you’re so unhappy with the “new direction” there’s always the metro and mad max franchises to satisfy your grungy needs.👍
But, it's a terrible adaptation. Seriously, what exactly is good about it as an adaptation? It messes up the lore, the tone, the atmosphere, and the themes. I guess the costumes and set designs are okay, but that basically makes it only slightly better than the original Mortal Kombat movie. Sure, we've had adaptations that are SO bad as to be unrecognizable AS adaptations, so I'll grant that it's superior to those, but that's like a really low bar.
Putin isn't purple, but I wouldn't mind if he Thanos'd the world now. Enjoying Star Wars or Fallout or Mass Effect or any series I used to love just isn't fun anymore. And it's not just because of their quality dipping.
Bruh, Imagine being this sad about your life at this point.
@@rogerloger1935
Demoralization cord bots woke up
Greatkeep till the end lads
"Eat this broken lore that we sha all over and don't you dare question any of the story decisions we made. And you better laugh at all these jokes and ignore all the criticism of our plot, dialogue, and setting. Better yet, YOU WILL DEFEND THIS SHOW TILL THE VERY END OF YOUR SAD PATHETIC EXISTENCE OR SO HELP ME GOD I WILL CALL OFF THE JELLY MOLD AND THE BLANCO MAC AND CHEESE."
"Okie dokie"
Nuance is dead and the consoomers killed it.
Actually the reason why Franchises suck nowadays isn’t because people are stupid it’s because of copyright
Watching this just after the cod x fallout event on mw3.
It’s so hard not to blackpill…
WHAT DO U MEAN11!2!1!1!1!!1 FALLOUT SHOW GUD!!!! I LOVE CONSOOMING PRODUCT! ALSO U R LITERLLY IN THE MINORITY HERE EVRYONE LIKES IT!!!!!
When FO:NV 2?WHEN BETHESDA!!!!!!
..idiot savants right here, too bad they arent learning
I used to be with Fallout, but then they changed what Fallout was. Now what Fallout is to me isn't Fallout, and what's Fallout seems shallow and idiotic to me, and it'll happen to you, too.
Never Believe a Liar AKA Todd Howard.
The Fallout show here was the first time i became genuinely angry with how Fallout had been handled. Fallout 4 has a ton of issues, but at least it could be serious at times. This show destroyed everything good about it by adding stupid dialogue during every somewhat decent moment. And at least Fallout 4 didn't totally retcon New Vegas.
Apparently "real fans" have to like every incarnation of the series.
I fucking hate the fact that ghoul juice is a thing for ghouls despite no one prewar would know about ghouls being a thing and how would you make such a thing for something that does not exist yet and somehow have it be effective???
as well the ghoul graveyard burial shit, wtf is that and the scene where that knight asprint guy gets a arrow to the next and somehow still lives on??
Fuck the show.
8:08 "I could write university level essays on... [the] Vipers off the top of my head." No, no you couldn't. The vipers have next to no presence in the games. What an absurd thing to say.
BGS fanboy be like: “BuT oRiGiNaL cReAtOr Of FaLlOuT LiKeS tHe ShOw”
Ah yes,Tim being the only one not seething about people enjoy something he Enjoy himself. True sad moment!!!!!!1111!!!
I agree with you mostly but I’d like to point out that as of the last time I played Fallout 76, the only “pay to win” things in the Atomic Shop was Scraping kits, and Repair kits. Which are not really pay to win and are more just a mild quality of life things than pay to win. Everything else was purely cosmetic. And I’m sure it’s got plenty of Lore issues but…my only real problem with it at the time was it’s multiplayer component making the gameplay feel super clunky and high ranked players causing temporary level locking of random areas, and random areas getting nuked 2 to 3 times each session.
Otherwise the setting, the timeline, the Scorch beasts, Scorch plague, having to nuke the caves to stop them, and West Virginia being cryptid central…I loved all those ideas. And honestly it offered way more role playing flexibility than Fo4. I just wish someone would port it into Fallout 4 so I could play it properly in a single player setting.
When I say "pay to win", I mean "pay to get an advantage", not literally "pay to win". Sorry if that was not clear.
No I got that. But when people use the phrase Pay to Win they typically mean something that gives them a PvP advantage. I assert that the scrap kits and repair kits provide virtually no PVP advantage. Their really just a small quality of life improvement. I however am in no way suggesting that it’s not a bad design but that it isn’t really fair to call it a “pay to win” system. My overall purpose in pointing this out, being that there is plenty of things wrong with 76 and Bethesda fallout in general, we don’t need to resort to hyperbole. It just negatively impacts our argument that Bethesda is bad.
@disqorddoge1101 so Pay for Convenience. I'll be sure to keep that destinction in mind in the future
Its funny to me when people get mad and rant on and on about their favorite media franchise being watered down into a commodified product when that's all it ever was. A commodified product.
I'ts obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. Fallout started as one mans passion project to test his new game engine that expanded into a full blown game thanks to the passion and creativity of everyone involved.
It's a product. It was sold in stores for money.
@@Martinroadsguy Art being sold for a profit does not negate its artistic qualities.
@@abcde6081 it's still a product. A video game or movie being mass produced, packaged, and sold in stores for $49.99 is a commodity. There's no way that it's not. A team of people working for a company funded by investors is not the same as an artist who sells their own paintings. My man in the video was talking about Star Wars like it was a sacred cow that was recently corrupted and turned into a commodity. It always was. They were putting C3PO on lunchboxes and pajamas and selling action figures in the 70s. Fallout is no different. It's copyrighted intellectual property that exists to entertain and make money. It's not a religious experience and people need to not take it so seriously.
I think it's even funnier when cl0wns like you project your anger with non-arguments like this. What are you even trying to say here? That because it was sold for money, it can't be held to any measurement of quality? I legitimately have no idea what you're trying to say with this.
"it gets worse before it gets better but always gets better" i needed that
I never played Fallout for the story, and I really like the games. I guess maybe that's why FO4 is my most played. Although I must admit that I got into Fallout at all because I really liked Mad Max and there was no proper Mad Max game back then, but there was a Fallout 2 on a CD in my uncle's attic. Then many years later the actual Mad Max game showed up and scratched the itch much better. But I just remained hooked on Skyrim-But-It's-America at this point hahah
Totally fair. I can enjoy FO4 for it's gameplay, especially with mods. All this channel asks of you is to not claim the writing is good when it's not.
A someone who played fallout 76 from start (well a month after it came out and bought it for cheap buck and only because i would get some collectibe with it) like to give even deeper insight on how they even further screwed up the screwed game and especially an atomic shop which was screwed from the start
>Inb4 why i played it
I wanted to build lego while screaming to voip a gaming words
Everyone knows how shallow and empty the game was on launch with redcons after redcons where only interesting thing and even that is questionable would be the mystery of what happened to whitesprings enclave and how npc update was such an dissapointment it wasnt worthy of attention except of bread crumps again on whitesprings enclave
However during the existence of atomic shop there was a fine example of slippery slope fallacy on even in their whole microtransactions
>Shameless lord of rings reference on they were elfs once scene
It first began with mundane stuff and pathetic attempt of creating an artificial scarcity trough departures and lesser permanent things to buy
So that meant if you ever wanted something you couldnt just grind on time atoms trough dailys weekleys (when it was possible lol) it dissapeared and you would later got it after ages in re run or in a bundle which was set up to be cheaper investment than item itself
Then it went trough into a prequesite of what had to come and that thing was there were a first things that would give you an advantage compared to non atomic shop players ie unstopabbles season in atomic shop and if all 5 would have costume in team then good luck in pvp or had an considerate advantage in events before metas etc were dug out
Then like it was not enough came bundles and exclusive to bundle items
Then with release of nuclear winter it was found out indeed camos were a pay to win and were removed and only occasionaly come back if even as it was a while
Then legacy content of atomic shop was away
Them it was starting to get absurd with newer themes where even COMMUNISTS GOT THEIR SEASON AND NOT ONLY ONE COMPARED TO ENCLAVE AND EVEN THEN ENCLAVE HAD MISERABLE EVENT EXCEPT OF 3 THINGS WHICH WERE RE RELEASED CUT CONTENT AND ONLY ONE NOT BEING A SKIN
and then... Then it came and rhat thing were scrap kits and repair kits with lunchboxes
>Inb4 better ones were made trough grind
Polystyren guns dont care in events rhat are painful to deal with to be wasted to repair said guns
And then with arrival of battlepasses and wasetlanders with fallout f you first it was official
Ecxlusive aromic shop items for holders of F1st and very good quality of life improvements that led to war in the game between players
Ruined economy of atoms trough paingul grind in battlepasses for a sums that were significantly overall lower than what you grinded per month trough dailys and weekleys before
Literally more of camp content was in atomic shop than in real game as it was evident that to get something that isint dogshit was locked behind event or seasonal event
Even free things there were not anymore an actuall things but either currency or boosts
And rhen the last nail into slippery slope coffin i can remember came by
Before having literally plagiarized battlepass from helldivers 2 f76 battlepass was basically a map with milestones which kind of was berable but grindy rhe further you went and got something fancy to look at from it
Now community was begging for battlepass content to have rerun to be available again for some year and only thing bethesda did is that the old content from battlepasses is sold for atoms and even mostly in bundles and new battlepasses are even poorer for content that isint a skin, boost, finances or stuff to photomode that basically atomic shop like you said will become a basically what you said
No i didnt forget for battlepass guns out of it that is a crime against people itself with shelter update
Yes someone might mention how i forgot about manequins etc but that still falls under category of either battlepass items resold as microtransactions, advantegous things to camp still fall under either battlepass or "what has to come"
>Inb4 you are larping and not true scotsman
Show me your postman outfit in there with time stamp bucko
I was there when history was written
Now that's even worse than I thought. The slippery slope is not a fallacy, as this demonstrates. And this is the game everyone is saying is "good" now?
Based on this alone, you'd think people wouldn't trust what Bethesda says, but it seems they're just begging to be ripped off.
@@EnclaveEmilyi would beg to differ in term slippers slope fallacy because i remember how incrementaly repair kits, and basically what is in fallout 1st (to even to that ranger armor outfit that is handed to first fallout 1st subscription and slippery slope is about incremental pushing of the means to end in order to push the means to end trough
>Is it good now
Hell no it isint because of following
If i will take off from years a blue balls for npc update since i knew about that that dev room leak and npc in it and things outside of tourists who downloaded the game during waserlanders update
(Yes before wasetlanders fo76 playerbase was small but dedicated to each other to better the suffering a bit as there wss nothing to do except having each other) old guard was starved for content because moonshining update was nothing and could be done within minutes if one knew what he is doing and in charleston city where this takes place knew just a block away from bar was a vault tech uni student dorm and necceseary alcohol for that nuka cola moonshine, spring season and sheepsquatch cryptid was also severely lacking any content altrough the quest at least had a bit of mystery in it despite being a fetch quest with extra steps (nuclear winter doesnt count because even playerbase despised it) and just having a walk in virtual appalachia wasnt enough after also a debacle with raids in vault 58 on north of appalachia near red rocket gas station that were impossible to beat for a loot that was so rare it wasnt worth it of effort to pray for rng
When wasetlanders came I can logically explain only why it wasnt send to hell (because it was a brain dead payday family friendly heist preparation to steal gold from basically an enclave for ambition you couldnt realize with people who were happy to even be alive) was because one side was already desperate and also overwhelmed by newcommers who shilled rhe most how good it is because npcs are back despite ignoring that for such a small thing and even miserably written they had 2 YEARS AT MINIMUM TO REALIZE AND EVEN TOOK SEVERAL DELAYS FOR IT
Seriously after atlantic city debacle and pittsburg debacle i cannot understand how anyone can vigorously defend 76 being a good game and not a power fantasy of bethesda and their poster child broterhood on purpose mocking you the veteran (meant old guard f76 player) with faggotry
I just wanted something that i wouldnt need to mess with my firewall and need a doctorate from modding (fallout new vegas multiplayer reference or fallout online) to enjoy with other burned out by industrial revolution visionaries and not seeing how one can kill what has been already dead but had a healthy foundation waiting to be tapped
Well i guess at least from all of that pain since they offered bethesda launcher clients to transfer the game to steam i can enjoy originals from interplay for free as rhey offered them as a small we are sorry despite these breaking havoc upon me as controls are a bit wonky and technical issues crash the games commonly
Also not amusing youtube morally criticizing me for writing something offensive because you suck in coding and censorship of words
Your starwars analogy is one of the best argument I heard :P
I agree with you on so many things, i cant even play Fo4 without enough mods to make you choke, but. I love the voiced protagonist, like. I love noras voice and bc i only play as a specific female character every game, it didn't bother me, it added something to my FO character, nowwww i get why ppl hate it, but I'm gunna miss it
14:17
Wait, people actually defended the always four dialogue choice system when even the develops thought it was a mistake? The one thing in the game that had a mod made to show what you say only 5 days after the release of the game and is still the 9th most popular mod on NexusMods?
Yes, I actually saw folks do it.
Gatekeep until the end.
there’s a reason i don’t engage with this community often. it’s literally just an on going war with each other over which game crashes less and has less lore retcons. i don’t care about this shit i’m gonna play whatever game i’m in the mood for
You say that both the show and 76 damage the lore of the franchise, I want to understand how? what are the aspects that are damaging it? this is not me making a mockery or wasting time, I genuinely want to know your point of view
I don't want to overstep in my videos, as if i got started on one of those games, i'd talk for ages and get side tracked. One day I'll talk about it in depth though. A video I have scheduled for the 6th slightly touches up on this, but not much, but due to my upcoming schedules for the coming months, that's all i can offer for now, sadly enough.
I mean, his video already went over how the show damaged it. Just watch that. As for 76, it's alot less damaging overall because it's in a completely new area, although it, of course, changes the BoS yet again.
@@billjacobs521 Truth be told most of that kinda got lost in the middle of his rambling, not saying that he might not be saying it but he wasn't very clear about it, or at the very least didn't make a list that could explain point by point, so what I am asking is like a clear list that establish all of his grievances one by one
Rambling? I made it a point to be as short and concise as possible without dropping character. What's up with that?
FALLOUT WAS ALWAYS BAD 😫😫😫
-Wasteland gang ftw-
Wasteland was a huge inspiration for Fallout so Yes Fallout is bootlegs.
@@rogerloger1935 If memory serves though, both were made by alot of the same people.
I originally was under the impression that they could've made a good show if they just took any existing story and just transferred it to the fallout universe and throw in some post apocalyptic details.
Doesn't even have to be anything from the game other than vault tec, make new creatures new robots new everything, excuse it as being part of a different state and that shit is different.
But then I saw the ending of the show, and saw that they plan to also take a shit on new vegas.
If that was the goal to begin with why in the name of shit did they not put the story of the show happening BEFORE new vegas and if you wanted to give the vault character a "war never changes people are nuking themselves even after the world was over" YOU JUST TAKE HER TO SEE THE FUCKING DIVIDE
AND THEN MAKE SEASON 2 SOMEWHERE ELSE STOP RUINING THE PRE-EXISTING UNIVERSE
Oh good grief now Emily has learned to 'Fake It'. Truly on that Woman Grindset
you are very dedicated
@@EnclaveEmily I am very Boomerish. i find one joke and grind it into the dust until everyone stares at me in confusion and I slink away in embarrassment for a month or two
Ew, Enclave. No one accept any water from this one.
But have you considered that we have just forgotten to get that jelly mold out of here?
a person with cognitive functions, this is a rarity nowadays, thank you for still existing
Vote with the dollar everyone.
With regard to your Fallout76 rant I partially disagree to an extent. Yes the quests in 76 are kinda subpar but if your going into 76 just looking to do quests then your not gonna have fun. It's an entirely different game its more so a social game. The most fun you can have is by grouping up and interacting with the community. The micro transactions aren't paid to win it's pay for convenience. I've been playing 76 since 2019 and I know how bad things can be for 76.
Pay for convenience is still pay to win because you're getting an advantage over those who don't pay. Also, if your quests are trash and so is the reason to do them, then your game is bad. "Social game" is not an excuse because at that point I'm enjoying the company of a friend more than I am the activity itself, which breaks the point
@@EnclaveEmily By social I mean you find the most enjoyment from things from the community. An example would be pvp 76 has been one of the best pvp experiences I've had
I had no issue with you critique, in most of your points, it was valid. It's not a perfect show in any rights. Was it OK or good...... yeah i can only put it up against what else is out there. By my standards it's decent and i don't consider my self a gate keeper of the lore, honestly i have to watch TH-cam videos to get the lore of the games before 3.