wah wah everyone that disagrees with me is a fanboy. as long as you take childish and hostile takes instead of actually trying to argue your point, nobody will take you seriously.
@@MatanZlatan you started your comment off with "wah wah [insert what other person said here]", saying anything about being childish and hostile is fucking rich coming from you
@@MatanZlatanThe word "fanboi" by itself is not an insult, that's literally the text book definition of what the people who defend this Amazon slop with tooth and nail are. People so overexcited with something to the point of obsession... Remind you of anything? If you feel personally attacked by the comment that's on you and you alone lol. Also huh? The point that the show is OBJECTIVELY awful and flawed has been argued to death by a large multitude of people whether its in an insulting manner or not fans of the show will still just insult you, dismiss your criticism and call you an "Obsidian purist" for whatever reason, even if you don't bring up the Obsidian games in the slightest. And when they don't they don't even argue against anything nor do they have the capacity to make good counterarguments because of how badly put together the show is, they just start making excuses the likes of: "season 2 will explain everything you guys" like bruh? :v Just go to r/Fallout or Twitter and look up threads criticizing the show, people can not say anything mildly negative in the slightest without a myriad of Fallout tourists and Bethesda F4NB*YS losing their mind at the mere thought of someone not liking their corpo slop.
No, we called that out and shamed them. You had to go into the stall or port a john and not make a mess OR it is your soap and your dick and you can wash it as fast as you want in the shower
Honestly yeah, never open a mans rack curtain without announcing yourself first. But that's also a reason Maxs understanding of sex bothers me so much, I've had more in depth conversations and debates about buttholes while enlisted than any other topic
@@the1theonlylewis61 they never were religious. they were always technophiles. them being THIS EXTENT of religious knights of yore LARPers was just the showrunners failing to properly research why they're a "knightly order" type of faction.
Shady Sands is no longer in the state of Shady, and it feels like they retconed the Boneyard and Shady Sands into being the same place. If so I guess the library never turned into medical university.
@notzay5573 but never before has its location been changed to a previously existing location, and that other location and it's history removed from the lore. It happened in the show and it is egregious
Shady Sands was definitely nuked in 2077. Lucy says her mum “died in the famine of 77.” Which is what Hank would have told her as a cover. Also, in one of the end credits you see a Shady Sands library check in card, the last date on it is November 76. Which means that person couldn’t borrow more books in 77 because Shady was destroyed.
I forgot who, but another TH-camr mentioned a good point. Who the hell in the post apocalypse, is gonna manufacture and distribute a serum for ghouls? Who has the tech and why?
Haven't you heard? Only salty New Vegas fans ask that kind of questions. Real fans don't ask questions and unconditionally consume anything their favourite corрoration tells them to.
by that logic how are stimpaks, radways and other chems still being created in the games. its been shown multiple times across all games that several groups of people were able to start manufacturing things such as power armor, weapons and medicine. So I dont get why a serum for ghouls is that crazy
@@notabot485 the ghouls were appearing waaaay before a functional civilization, that could manufacture something like this, was created. All ghouls would have turned feral by the time someone would have come up with this serum and started mass manufacturing.
@notabot485 @notabot485 ghouls are a very small minority though. There wouldn't be such a dire need to allocate limited resources to create such a serum specifically for them. Unless maybe it was a serum intended for other purposes for everyone in the wasteland? It would've been simpler and easier for the show to just use the same logic as in the game, where the rot and radiation finally ate away at their brain and sanity and they went feral. You don't fix what isn't broken. Also stimpacks are basically health packs in every video game. Putting them in the show or a movie and having them work the same way as in a videogame would look silly as well.
@@mr.nesbitt8967 We're also shown in some quests that the medication doesn't work on NPCs the way it does on the player characters (which just proves those are simply game mechanics and not an actual in-game lore). You can't fix their limbs or stop the blood by using stimpaks. People might overdose on drugs. And some may need way more fixers to cure their addictions. Making all Fallout meds literal magic would simply destroy all stakes and grand every main character an insane plot armor.
I feel like im in a twilight show where everyone around me has brain rot and is trying to gaslight me that Fallout was always a goofy goober parady series.
@@regiman222 I've found a few. And a million casuals shilling it fanatically. All looking like soyfed nerds on average. Why are all of them looking perpetually happy all the time? 🤔
When it comes to the whole NCR thing people are constantly like "just wait for season 2 bro! We'll see more of them then" as if the show doesn't already take place in NCR HEARTLAND. Sw should have already seen them here. Instead what we got was a couple of raiders wearing paintball & airsoft masks... The only thing that season 2 can do to fix any of these issues is opening with "this show is not canon to the wider events of fallout". These bethesda simps write off any critique as blind hate while swearing up and down it captures the feel of fallout. Sure it captures the feel of fallout... fallout 4 & 76. And while I sure as hell enjoy those games if that was the feeling they were going for then why have it take place on the west coast?? This EXACT story could have been told anywhere else in the 80% of the US we haven't seen yet... But no they just had to shit on the most well established area.
It's like they looked at everything in the southwest that had potential and decided that all had to go. They're just throwing away quality lore, factions, and plotlines, like anything that isn't Bethesda has to burn.
@@nathanlevesque7812 you mean like Bottle caps, Stimpaks and so on? . They did not throw away any lore as far as I know, what lore is it you imagine they threw away?. As for them throwing away plotlines, that is a level of folly that is rare to see, do you even know what plotlines mean?
@@TheRenekruse A small itemized list, - NCR currency, Shady Sands being in... Shady, not the Boneyards. A nation of 700000 people being reduced to scattered groups of raiders in less than decade. Power armor can fly now and requires no training whatsoever to excert enough force to rip your body in half if you're careless with it. Cold fusion is now both the McGuffin and the thing that powers power-armor, vehicles are completely gone. Ghouls now require a magical drug to not go feral. (Rather than it being left intentionally vague), and are impervious to non-headshot trauma. (Which would make them invaluable as shock-troopers), and plotlines are indeed just dropped and never brought up again (like the kinda sort of super-important water chip), you are a simpleton.
@@kyosokutai I am very far from a simpleton, in fact as far from it as it gets, which is why I know that everything you said is sprung from your own very limited ability to think, in fact your ability to think is so limited that you are less useful in an intelligent conversation, than a two legged ant with brain damage and paralysis is of use to the anthill. The layers of stupid in your comment are to thick for me to want to deal with them all, so I will limit my charity work to just a bit of it. You are so simple minded that you seem to think that because something was the case in the past, it must remain the same in the present otherwise lore has been changed, which is not the case. Tec advances for the brotherhood does not equal a break away from lore, it simply equals development. You claim "vehicles are completely gone" Proving you did not watch the show, or you not knowing the meaning of vehicle, unlike what you may think it is not limited to things that drive on wheeles and either way you do not know that there are no cars, simply because you have not seen any, it is not like you have seen everything that exists in the world. The only real argument you had was for Shady Sands but even that fails as you do not know what happned, if the people moved and named their new location by the same name, much like the Dutch originally calling what is now New York, New Amstadam. There are more than 10 locations in USA called Denmark. You do not know that the very thing that they made to keep ghouls from going feral does not give them regenerative properties, nor do you know if or when they found out what made them feral, finding out something that you did not know in the past is not breaking lore, it is simply new information, new tec, is not breaking lore, it is simply new tec. For something to be lore breaking, it would have to be a change to past events, to which you in fact have seen none.
That is true, but we've had some good stuff too and the there was a lot of trash made in the past, I'm confident Hollywood has some good movies left in her
The main mcguffin of the entire story is cold fusion, supposedly a revolutionary new technology that could provide limitless energy and save mankind. It's bad enough that the writers didn't know that cold fusion already exists in Fallout's lore. But you know where it exists? It's what powers *the main mcguffin of Fallout 2, the GECK.* Vault Tec put cold fusion tech into an item that was supplied to almost every vault.
They decided it was cold fusion in Fo3 as far as I can tell (Vault 94 terminal entry). Before that there was microfusion. Maybe I'm missing a reference.
No, most vaults did not have a geck. Play the main story of fallout 3 to learn why and pay attention to the terminal you access at the citadel. Most vaults do not have a geck, and vault tech would not want their enemies having cold fusion, so it would still be prudent for them to prevent it from falling into enemy hands or prying it out of enemy hands.
I been saying for years. Todd and Emil hate new vegas because no matter what they do, it is always considered superior to their work, so now theyre trying to rub their success in our faces by finally destroying what they could never match up to.
I would disagree because inconsistency between games is what Bethesda does. The inconsistencies between Morrowind and Oblivion is one example, the evidence leans more towards Bethesda just being generally inconsistent in what they make, if the Elder Scrolls is any indication. Changing the climates in Tamriel could be handwaved between Oblivion and Skyrim could be handwaved given the time gap between Oblivion and Skyrim. But between Morrowind and Oblivion is reaching. Also they changed what the Dark Brotherhood and other organizations were between only six years’ difference between Morrowind and Oblivion. Between Oblivion and Skyrim is 200 years, so over that time, maybe they planted trees, drained marshes, or abandoned land for forests to reclaim the land. But overall, inconsistency between games is just Bethesda being Bethesda, and it’s in no way unique to Fallout
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes It may not be unique to Fallout, but it's definitely unique to Bethesda. It's definitely not how Fallout began. It's just a shame they Marvel-Starwars-ized the IP, because there was potential for it to be much more than it currently is. Same goes for Elder Scrolls.
The Fallout show falls into the same pattern of modern film making. Multiple lead characters. Constant flashbacks and back stories. The only thing they grasp is surface level iconography and references with no deeper understanding of the established lore. Ignoring said established lore to the point of contradictions. Breaking the old lore. The Fallout show should have had only one central character and their perspective of the wasteland. Supporting characters that could become companions or are essential to the protagonist. Antagonists could have multiple minor characters with their own goals as obstacles to the protagonist. The main villian should only be introduced through rumors. The protagonist finding only what clues about he, she, or them through their journeys. Such as finding the aftermath of a slaughtered town. Something that would happen in the Fallout Universe. No flashbacks to the prewar America. My own take on a Fallout show would be the protagonist waking up alone in a medical center. Crumbling out of an auto-doc. He has no idea how he got there. He doesn't know his name. There is no one around. The entire first episode would be him venturing out to explore his surroundings. Gathering what supplies he could find. Clothing, weapons, ammunition, food, and medicine. There's not much but at least he has something. Exploring the facility he thinks it's some kind of bunker. He is attacked by mutant rats and rad roaches. The facility seems to be on auxiliary power. All of this is meant to inform the audience to what is necessary to survive in Fallout. The exploration, scavaging, and combat. Clues to his past and the people who lived inside this bunker complex. Hacking computers and lock picking. The mystery to why he knows how to do everything he does but he can't remember his past or his name. But he has to escape. Or else this bunker will be his tomb. His story is about discovering who he is as his initial motivation. The main plot and threat emerges after he escapes the Vault and has gone several crazy adventures.
You can introduce socondary lead character to give deep dive to other perspective of wasteland, but it need to happen a bit later to the story. Fallout show have identity crisis since it can't decide which POV need to be in the spotlight, and mashes everything into incoherent mess
One of the biggest issues with this show is just hell bent the creators and Bethesda are on pretending this is canon. Had they said it's a spin off series that is separate from the games, it would have solved so many problems. But, no. They intend to die on this hill, trying to lie to everyone that this show does not retcon anything. At this point it's absolutely ridiculous how many people have fallen for it, when we have hard evidence it's a lie. The sad part is that they will not back down. They have gone so far with this farce, they can only move forward, pretending the criticism or retcons didn't happen.
Even if the Shady Sands bombing is in 2281(despite every evidence showing it was in 2277), it still retcons the end slides. Many of those slides clearly stated things like "In the following years, NCR did some stuff, following the path the player set during the game."
@@jres1995 And Sapkowski praised the Netflix Witcher series which was (somehow) much worse than the old Polish adaptation, which he hated with a passion. That doesn't mean anything. Besides, Tim Cain has always been overly polite.
Dude the brainrot in here with the defenders is insane, each one of them is a perfect example of why we can't have good stories anymore, religiously defending mediocrity and shutting down the criticism that could lead to an improved experience. Its like they want the world to be worse. Or they're just trolling hard to tell with how dumb the arguments are.
Bro just go to the fallout subreddit. The enlightened redditors there came to the conclusion that if you don't like or even just criticize the show you must be an insane NV fan who hates Bethesda. And the amount of cope with the blackboard scene and the NCR is insane.
@@dainfant5101 i don't even hate bethesda games but they just get worse and worse over time anyway i still dislike bethesda itself though,for OBVIOUS REASONS,they just keep dumbing down their rpg games further and further into just another action shooter look at fallout 3 compared to 4,3 still had traits and skills,fallout 4,replaced skills with just special stats and perks,and the cherry on top, traits are just gone and thats not mentioning the story of both games being a downgrade from even 2 which didn't even take itself completely seriously,i mean there are talking intelligent deathclaws afterall,both 3 and 4 are pretty bad in terms of writing,fallout 3's story is bad,and is linear as all hell,fallout 4's story,slightly less linear but has almost 0 choice,3 of the 4 factions have the same end goal,institute go boom,despite the fact that taking them over instead is the more logical choice but you can't convince any of the factions to actually take them over boy this turned into a wall of text quickly
Exactly,, after watching it went online.. watched how its being recieved, and how people even thought would see what I did even sold out... I literally said to my flatmate "The dumbing down agenda has suceeded"
@@Scaley_ReptileA lot of them are probably bots and or shills. Remember starfield and how "it is the best game ever!?!?!?!!!!" appeared out of nowhere and was said when the game wasn't even out? If you really want to know how well the show was received you have to talk 6months after about it.
@@irgendeineperson5350Somewhat. But I mostly think it's mostly casual fans who ignore the story and treat it like every other mindless sandbox Bethesda puts out.
I feel like the Fallout TV show is the Fallout 4 of the TV Show world >cool set pieces and moments that makes no sense >plot that's broken and a complete mess >Brotherhood of Steel having an airship that's incredibly complex and advanced even compared to Tactics's Airships which were literally just normal blimps >Brotherhood of Steel wearing any power armor that is not the T-51b >Vault dweller main protag character. There could be some more that I miss but I digress
Except the narrative was co-opted right out the gate and somehow convinced most critics and reviewers that it was good. Which didn't happen with Fallout 4. The best explanation I've heard is that most reviewers just turned off their brains and said it was good because it met a "fanservice" quota. So most either weren't paying attention enough to consider their reviews legitimate, shilled out for Bethesda or were fanboys themselves and are lying about it.
If you wanted to prove that you are a simpleton, then well done. "Vault dweller main protag character." That is literally every fallout game, which is what the show is about, so of course things would not make sense to you, as you have none
@@TheRenekruse gtfo, imbecile. There IS NO INTELLIGENCE IN THIS SHOW. NONE. Just Fallout visuals. A child could write a better plot, it's an insulting garbage.
@@masterficus We also cannot forget about Rachel, who traveled many kilometers and found no cure for their condition. Speaking of which, it turns out that Nate simply tricked Oswald into thinking there was no cure .
Don't forget that the fact there are Fusion Cells and Fusion Cores all over the Fallout games up until the TV show pretty much implies that Cold Fusion is already a thing in the Fallout universe. You can't reduce a fusion reaction down that small if it's "hot fusion". The fact the cells continue to work 200 years later also implies cold fusion since no energy is required to contain the heat of the reaction.
36:52 knights are meant to be celibate? The tribe of techno isolationists managed to somehow maintain their numbers for 200 years while having members remain celibate...
They are mocking Evangelical Christians so logic is out the window. They praise Communism, do not under Capitalism, have a refugee filler episode in a 8 episode season and made a spoof of Trump as a buffoon one eyed Overseer. It is dogshit all around because 'Messaging' took priority
@@MrBoxen I suppose that wouldn't be a bad way to patch the hole, but I don't think the audience should require fanon to fix logical errors within the script.
@@demondeity9816 I mean, it makes sense. Thought I rather not have the show exposition dump us with stuff. It’s too handholdy and modern media especially games constantly do that now. But it’s hard for a show not to do it because we can’t just open up a terminal or holotape and read why it’s that way from another point of view.
Very emotionally mature, unlike the people saying "You don't like my THING, you must be erased from existence! AHHHHHH" . I think Master Ficus will get pretty popular by dissecting shows. He did a helluva of a job...think he needs to throw in some clips and memes to get a wider audience though
Thanks for making a level-headed and well thought out criticism of this mess. I started feeling like I was taking crazy pills the way some people defend it. Either that or the only criticism they can muster is shrieking "WOKE!" In the end I'm just disheartened because I can see the care and attention that went into everything from the sound design, to the props, to the sets, to the performances, and all that talent and effort was betrayed by the writers not putting the same amount of care into doing their job. Unfortunately theirs is the most important job when the point of the project is to tell a story.
It IS WOKE btw. My notes about Episode 1: - 52 seconds in: race mixing propaganda, he cannot have a son, because the future is female and melaninated - Communist okay, anti-commie bigoted - selfish white man hits PoC, not the other way around of course - making fun of meritocracy - pregnant woman power - bestest ever Mary Sue - Vault Commettee has no white man, woman in the middle with microphone head - sexist honeymoon joke by the women, imagine if men did it about women - Vault PoC majority makes no sense - Vault 33: 3+3=6 - brother looks weak and retarded intentionally - Vaults next to each other wtf, why are they separated at all? - woman talking about sperm count at the table. Imagine the uproar if a man asked the woman if her eggs are healthy - recolonize. not repopulate. colonize. Intentional Marxist language. - husband is white but suspicious of course - raider leader PoC woman, what a joke - raiders are mostly white, for the same reason Tarzan always will be white - heroine saved by a random black man, not by the white guy who loves her, he must be weak and goofy - fork in the eye, woke Wolfenstein vibe - heroine saves her weak brother, not the other way around - BoS: 3 PoC in the opening screen - weak sadist white man BoS member - androgenous thing - smoking white kids - bigoted Christian-like BoS, corporal punishment in school - public masturbation in the barracks?! wtf - "young lady": white man tries to play the authority, attempting to make fun of the '50s morals (which were undoubtedly superior to what we have now) - inquisitor figure is white of course, victim is PoC, blatant modern day anti-white racism - she has a mustache, must have been on Buffout for a long time - oppressed black guy finally can give order to weak white man and is satisfied with himself
24:00 if he ever realises that sand has no water inside he will die, so he has to pull a wiley-coyote-not-looking-down to save his life and keep filtering the sand in hopes that the universe at large won't notice
I believe you're mistaken about Lucy's build. During the entire show, any time Lucy fires a weapon, she bulls-eyes the target. She's definitely got either 10 perception or 10 luck. Considering how lucky she is throughout the show and how naive she is, I'm going to guess it's luck.
I thought they would have given us that. Give us an intro story with a protagonist. Then kill them off. And move on to a different character. And so on. Each exploring different player experiences as stories. Some funny, some sad, some action heavy, some detective style.
A Fallout anthology would have been the perfect way to do it. They put so much credence into the established games that it's breaking under it's own weight.
@@arturovandeley I thought in it as being a bunch of episodes showing different kinds of wastelanders, but also including vault dwellers, which stories would tie up in the end directly and indirectly, turning into a hook for a second season or something
Appreciate videos being uploaded on this. Currently working on my own long form breakdown analysis of the show. Not even done with the first episode and Im over 20 pages into the script. Set to be a fun one so far. Noticing even more issues as Im going back through the show on a second watch whilst writing out the review
@masterficus Will do. Progress has haulted due to life getting in the way and other high quality videos being released that do a better job explaining the shows issues than the ones being released earlier on. Appreciate the interest!
I only played Fallout 4 and that was ages ago. Still, I found myself asking "why?" during several scenes in the series. The problem is not just the disrespect for the game's canon, it is the disrespect for the "rules" established by the series itself.
The Bounty on Wilzig is also a Plothole. Who put it on him? The Brotherhood had an exact description of the Guy, even the Dog and the stolen Technology was 100% acurate information. The only Factions who knew all this exact information are Moldevars Remnants and the Enclave. Moldevar didn't need to put a Bounty on a Guys head that's on his way to her anyway. So there is just one option left: The Enclave. My Issue with this is that a secret Organisation like the Enclave wouldn't put Bounties on valuable Researchers. Remember: This Guy knows where their Base is and other secret stuff that would compromise them. If a Faction, like the Brotherhood for example, get their hands on this Guy all the secrets would be open to them. Everyone hates the Enclave because of their Past. They wouldn't risk beeing exposed like this and that an Ememy Faction get their Technology.
Absolutely, and how did he get in contact with Moldevar in the first place, was it when he was in the enclave or when he was on the run and just got extremely lucky? Why didn't we see any enclave kill teams trying to plug their leak? Why didn't the person that first saw him and post the bounty just catch him first? There's so much in this show that I didn't even notice, decided against including, or cut from the script that people will be posting new videos about these mistakes for months.
Why don't you wait till season 2, before jumping to conclusions. Because if you are wrong, you are sending the wrong message to people who love the show. The show creators went over every detail and I doubt they messed up. Todd Howard has all the experts on it.
@@Robert-yt9pq There is so much wrong with your last two sentences. First of, show runners often fail and serve quickly put together stuff. Sometimes it seems if one dumb person in the room shouts first that this would be a nice idea and that it makes sense for them, they go with it. Secondly, Todd Howard is not a source for experts at all.
Funny how i was saying, that its rather ironic they decided to ditch the release schedule. They were scared of these reviews coming in halfway through and screwing their revenue up.
The shows definitely a mess and makes almost no sense narratively. Cant wait for Creetosis's in depth breakdown, hopefully Mauler does an in depth video as well. Anyways great vid. It was very informative and fairly in depth. Its a shame so many people commented without watching.
I appreciate that Mauler was chatting with two friends, live, who praised the show, and his response was a polite but firm backhand of facts and logic that neither friend could really dispute and mostly just stammered, flustered at the experience of being in the longman's crosshairs.
With the ghoul meds thing, this directly goesmagainst Bethesda's own lore in Nuke World, where you can find a holotape of a ghoul outright stating that their search for a cure to going feral has turned up nothing. This, when combined with Oswold the glowing one not being feral means that, according to the show, he was taking anti-feral meds, and let his close friend go out and turn feral on a fruitless search, rather than share, and then get all broken up about finding out there was no cure.
What Ficus didn't touch on but what bothered me is how is there enough serum left after 200 yrs? Thousands of ghouls just in this area would have used it up in a year or two
A lot of good points here. This show is gonna be like the Mandalorian. People are praising it because they wanted it to be good (including me also, until i saw the two last episodes). Each season is gonna get worse and worse until everyone admits it was all bad all along.
This is such a retarded ass point dude if that were the case everyone would've liked the halo show since it's way more beloved then fallout, just because you're a cynical bitch doesn't mean everyone else is
the first 3 episode is mid i'll give it 7/10, the last 3 episode is suprisingly good lore, it explain vault 76 dweller securing the silo for the fate of cshadysands and vault city , the only thing about it is where the Fvck is 700k NCR are
The FNV fans are going to EXPLODE next season and turn on the Bethesda shills like Matty Juiceguy & Oxhorn when the showrunners retcon their favorite game. Those fans are pretty zealous
This is the show that more or less ended or soured a friendship of mine with someone. They were the more casual of fans. I was the more devoted fan. I hated it, voicing all the problems. They liked it, and told me I was a salty Vegas fan.
Oh hey I found this video, damn algorithm messing up my search results, this video actually does a great job summarising what happens and as someone whos played the games, this is very helpful for recapping what happened.
It’s obvious there is a massive comment bot campaign against anyone who is critical of the show. As of writing this comment this video has 1.2k views which makes it a very obscure video. But there is swarms of comments completely dismissing the video’s content
It's either bots or people that hate click, dislike, comment, and leave, which I knew would happen when I made the thumbnail, but I'm pleasantly surprised at the amount of support and even the people that dislike my video but stick around long enough to comment on something I actually said.
The targeted bot campaigns, especially for such a small tuber, always seemed like a stretch. More likely it's that most people would rather watch shorter lore videos or firearm experts reacting to the show's guns than a 1 hour video of nitpicking. People stopped liking CinemaSins for a reason. The algorithm is still likely recommending this to people because, well, the Fallout show is a hot topic right now. That's probably where these comments are coming from. I know I got this recommended, watched 5 minutes (which I don't think YT counts as a view), was like "oh okay", read and left a few replies and now I'm going to leave. Maybe I'll come back to the video later when I'm more willing to spend some time.
It's almost like you get an influx of eyes on your content when you feed the algorithm and release something on a popular topic, surely there's an intricate conspiracy behind it all. This thing was sub-1K when it crept into my feed and wouldn't have done so at all without being fallout related
It's obvious that a channel with just a few hundred subs could only attract over 11K views as of now, via intentional hate baiting, thus drawing in thousands of hate-drones.
“The west coast factions were stomped on to allow the BOS to invade another wasteland” Todd’s hard on for the BOS strikes again. Can Todd just come clean and make a game or series purely focusing on the BOS? Unceremoniously killing off the NCR just so the BOS can be the big bad faction again is a load of bullshit. It’s all gloss until you dig in deep and realize how the BOS is full of holes as a faction because there is no way to explain their continuously growing strength. At least Arthur Maxson being able to unite the Brotherhood of Steel and allow outsiders to join is a sufficient explanation for how their numbers grew significantly compared to how obscure they were in DC pre-unification of chapters and most especially compared to the BOS in the west coast, but it still would not explain their growing technological might. The NCR was at least understandable because the residents of Vault 15 actually tinkered with technology. So unless Bethesda comes out clean and just has the Brotherhood be a self-sufficient city-state full of techno monks who think they should horde all technology to safeguard humanity, then it would at the very least put me at peace as to why we are seeing all this stompage from the BOS.
The only thing that makes the series even remotely interesting is the fact that it's somewhat related to Fallout. Other than that, the story is not only bad, but it retcons and destroys the Fallout lore that we currently know of. If the season two is just as bad, then I'm done with the series.
It is so easy to accept what is trending without questioning. To me the Fallout show wipes out the legacy lore and themes the original Fallout trilogy stand for, even worst, it rewrites history for Bethesda's convenience to clean up the west coast and fill it with Marvel Humor, Wacky gore and meaningless stories. Inconsistency and mediocrity are Bethesda's signature. All players deserve better and if no one talks about it then we will always be given the same dull products. Thanks for making this vid.
@@tlucas7031 Yes, she and Christine were in love but were forced to separate because obviously lesbians don't make babies, which they needed because they don't generally accept outsiders.
I feel like people don’t understand that you can like something that’s not well written. This show looks good and has some great acting and has music and a feel that is likable. But the writing is just awful for a lot of the show and it’s hard to really root for a character when half of their actions aren’t great and most stuff just happens by chance instead of deliberate decisions
That's my issue. Society wants everything destroyed, lol. We wouldn't have anything at all if critics were in charge. People are spoonfed all these special effects and whatnot. Imagination is gone, why we can't just enjoy a show and go on about our business.
No...people understand that. Seems the people who like something that is shit cannot stand objective criticism of their obsession. I think the show is mediocre and that is because of what you said. I think Ella Purnell & Walter Groggins are such great actors that they blinded some people noticing bad writing. The set designers, prop masters and other crew were fantastic, plus the cinematography and directing was high level. Notice how scenes are setup, Claire Kilner & Fred Toye did just as great as Jonathan Nolan if not better
As someone who enjoyed the show there was definitely a lot of stupid moments (like the brother hood not turning on their light when the ghoul attacked and how weak they decided to make power armor) it kinda reminds of the mandalorian where everyone claimed season 1 was a masterpiece because they were deprived from good Star Wars content
Lucy drank highly radiated water before that finger scene. I though shed maybe mutate and get regeneration. And then i thought it happened to max's squire when his foot got healed magically. Then it turned out ghouls just heal themselves and aren't i dont know decrepit at all. Literally no downside to being a ghoul except no kids and you need zombrex like katie
A dead finger no matter what the technology should be able to merge unto living cells. AND there is a reason we cut off limbs to this day as gangrene enters the blood stream and kills you. No way she should be alive. I don't know why they didn't give her a robot finger, it would have worked much better
Another issue that comes up with these Vaults 31 -33. Since the show is CANON according to rejects at Bethesda, WHY didnt the Master raid them for prime humans and turn them to Super Mutants. Why didnt THE ENCLAVE Raid them in Fallout 2. This show CANNOT be canon at all.
Maybe they were aware that these were vapid, sloganeering, junior managers? I'm joking, naturally, but also reminded of the issue of the Vault's "experiment". Supposedly, the idea was to raise a perfect managerial class, but how would that arise by just having the already-trained managers go one or two at a time into a control population? What stops them from being bred out or falling victim to bad ideas with only two unmonitored test vaults? Oh, well, excellent lore catch. I forgot about the prime humans bit.
Shhh. The shills in the comments section are gonna sniff you out for caring too much about established lore and implore you to shut up since all Bethesda wants to do is attract people who never cared about Fallout even the ones that LARP around pretending they do care.
Honestly the only way it could be explained (for at least the master’s side) is that the master is just outright stupid. He doesn’t realize that his mutants are sterile and canonically never finds out about vault 13 despite it being closer Although for the enclave I honestly have no clue. Maybe they didn’t find it similar to how the master couldn’t or they just didn’t bother to.
@@PeppinSpaghett. The Master is a schizophrenic hive-consciousness that is insane. He/She/It doesn't have to be stupid, since they are completely self-absorbed in the literal sense. None of the Super-Mutants ever bothered questioning the Master before, since it appears extremely intelligent, and appears to have a knowledge of FEV they do not. As far as they're concerned, it is their creator, hence the whole temple thing, which is a jab at religion.
@@PeppinSpaghett.but that’s the thing. Master isn’t stupid, he’s just obsessed with his cause. He’s blinded by his own righteousness. And from L.A. to Vault 13 there is a one month walk. While his supermutants and followers could get to Vault 33 and Vault 4 entrances in 5 hours.
Nice video, good to see quality, level-headed break downs of the issues with the show starting to come out. Obviously dont let the angrier/nastier comments get to you, defenders will be defenders and not everyone can take criticism of the things they like.
There's nothing genuine to refute. TH-cam-addled "Plothole" shrieking obsessives who care more about their personal gotcha moment than the experience of a piece of art should be quarantined from the rest of the internet, it's pure cringe.
@@dystopiabeach It's a great show if you have no understanding of the IP. * In Fallout 4, the Chinese are confirmed as launching before any nukes detonate. * In New Vegas, the NCR is still being supplied from Shady Sands in 2281. * The Brotherhood isn't patriotic, and never cared about "order" in the wastes. * Ghouls don't auto-regenerate: they need a strong radiation source for that. I could do a Top 20 list, but what seems to be going on here is Bethesda wants to wipe out all parts of the IP they didn't create - that being the NCR and various New Vegas factions. This is a matter of reorienting the tone and content so that they're not "beholden to things written 20 years ago" (as once asserted by Bethesda's community outreach manager).
Bruh! I'm 20min in and I want to make strong arguements against every point he is nitpicking so far, but it's an hour fucking long. I'm going to need to write a book just for the 20min I have watched so far!
@@Calbeck You mean the same people who literally said that new vegas is canon. And this show is canon. And nothing was retconned. And while cutting it close. The timeline is correct. You really think bethesda wants to wipe new vegas? If people are actively buying new vegas its good for them.
@@Calbeck damn that's crazy. If it's more important than an enjoyable viewing experience then you'd happily sit through an 8 hour season of TV with the Geiger counter constantly ticking in the background of every scene right? If it's in the name of accuracy making an objectively worse show is a net positive? Nothing about this series negates the Chinese launching in the first place. That braindead argument was already pushed back on by Tim Cain himself (and anyone capable of critical thought while we're at it). Nearly every bit of discourse around this show has come from a subset of gamers who are simply too mad to be capable of reading. It's completely unserious I personally would've liked to see less brotherhood presence on the west Coast in general and am not a fan of bethesda fallout's heavy focus on them, you know why it's the case in this story? Because it's a fucking TV show, things have to happen on screen, an audience has to be captured. All of these pathetic cinemasins tier complaints can be traced back to simply not understanding the medium in the first place. Career showrunners, directors, and writers with credits the likes of Interstellar under their belt (let alone ones who have proven to be fans of the games) know what they're doing over a bunch of sweaty redditors im sorry to say
But I get it...Bethesda & Microsoft know FO1 & FO2 fans do not buy their games and that their biggest critics are FNV fans. They are catering to the run and gun FO4 and settlement building FO76 fans
@@TheImapotato They also screwed it by having RobCo and RepCONN at the meeting. RepCONN GOT BOUGHT OUT by RobCO. You find various entries at RepCONN HQ in New Vegas.
@@MLPDethDealr32 We don't know when the meeting is, and REPCONN was only bought out by RobCo in 2075-2076. The meeting could easily take place before this.
This is New Vegas fanboyism at it's peak, is angry about the date on the sign regarding Shady Sands decline which is hinted at in New Vegas do the NCR citizen test and claims it's Todd's hatred for New Vegas when Shady Sands literally is from Fallout 1 & 2 and doesn't get seen in New Vegas but cause it's mentioned NV fans feel the need to think it somehow attacks THEIR game and must be targeted New Vegas hatred as opposed to a dislike for the originals which it isn't btw. It's just fun seeing NV fans act like OG fans despite the show barely affecting NV and even hinting at it playing a major part in the second season.
I'll admit that I actually loved the show as far as video game adaptations go. But the thing that bothered me was the whole Bethesda thing of everyone living like the bombs dropped yesterday instead of 200 years ago. Instead of civilization creeping in it's just vault morons in blue jumpsuits drinking nuka cola and killing super mutants while Todd busts an übernut to the BOS.
The ubernut comment made me giggle. But yes, Todd seems to have a hard on in keeping the wasteland bleak. I know there was an attempt in FO4, but we're talking about the show, where Bethesda once again has a hard on for Vault Dweller who act like morons instead of people aching to reclaim America.
The showrunner openly stated that that is why they nuked Shady Sands; they wanted to return the wasteland to Mad Max mode for the show. Why the show had to be on this date, in this location, when it could have been in a wide variety of other locations or dates and had that exact aesthetic, I don't know, but by god, that's how it HAD to be apparently, so the only solution is to nuke the surface AGAIN so they could reset things.
Extremely lucky the unarmed enclave scientist didn't die on his trip to Moldaver in a post-apocalyptic wasteland rife with dangerous creatures/environments/raiders, also the story literally revolves on Lucy herself having plot armor when she takes the scientist's head as if she were to die in the post-apocalyptic wasteland at any point, the head would have been lost. The plot itself is moved around due to sheer coincidences and stuff happening that shouldn't. Like Maximus and Laddeus track the ghoul via his radiation trail... Through a radioactive wasteland. Extremely luckly they weren't instead tracking a irradiated mutant animal
The funniest part is if new Vegas is cannon and the courier works with house and Sinclair big mt and all are cannon house should be the most powerful man in the wastes along with the courier plus the courier with the nukes form the divide could have just nuked shady if they really wanted to nuke it so bad but whatever more canon that they gloss over it's funny how when they make canon the forgot new Vegas in a lot of ways like jet in fallout 4 just becoming turbo but Todd would never admit it fucking insane
Would have been easier on them if they just had the show take place somewhere in the East Coast. The West Coast was well on its way to, albeit problematic, to rebuilding.
@@gentlemanbronco3246 Yeah, the show would've done fine and people would not have hated it that much. Just stick it in the Toddout lore, but noOooOooOoOoOOOOOOOOOOooo, if you don't like slop, we will force it down your throat
Everything else on that board had a date along with the event. If there's no date for the nuke dropping after the fall of Shady Sands, it can be assumed that arrow is pointing to the nuke dropping in 2277 being the fall of Shady Sands itself. Regardless, there are plenty of other issues with the show. Biggest ones for me being tha it felt like one of those 2010s parody movies like Disaster Movie or Superhero movie that is making fun of the thing it's based on rather than respecting it and trying to do a faithful adaptation, plus the fact that Bethesda and fans were swearing this was simultaneously canon and faithful to the games, but you should shut up and turn your brain off and ignore any changes to the lore to just have fun and enjoy the show.
Also why would Hank wait to nuke Shady Sands and presumably kill Rose to cover up what he did? Someone willing to murder someone to eliminate a witness or cover up some other attrocity generally doesn’t wait around to do it, they treat it as something urgent to make sure the sparrow doesn’t sing.
In the final episode, it was said Shady Sands was nuked 20 years ago (iirc It was said Lucy's mom passed away 20 years ago), and the show takes place in 2296. So, doing the math Shady Sands was nuked 2276, but this could be a tiny error. However, from what the dialogue of the final episode tell and the chalkboard show, the fall and the nuke are one in the same.
lol did you just trick me into watching the final episode again? If yes good troll, if no can you give me the timestamp? I didn't hear any dates in commie leaders monologue outside of referring to the war 200 years ago, if they really said she died 20 years ago then FNV was absolutely retconned
@@masterficus yeah, it looks like i was wrong. I rewatched the ep couldn't find the 20 year thing. When i first watched the show I was watching with some people and I had to go do some at the time and when i got back one of of them said they confirmed when when they nuked shady sands. Unfortunately i took their word for it. Sorry about that.
@@masterficus yeah, I've been talking with the people I've watched with, and we've been skimming through the show of places where the characters might have said how long ago Lucy's mom passed away. Like Lucy herself or her dad or brother (before the reveal that Lucy's mom is the ghoul). Even seeing if Max might have said how long ago Shady Sands was nuked. It feels like the show was vague on when Lucy's mom's death and how long ago Shady Sands was nuked. The chalkboard was consistent on its dating until the end when it says the fall of Shady Sands and has a date and then has an arrow pointing at a nuke. We have the date for when the city fell but don't have the date when it was nuked. If the city fell from population decline or crop failure or something else, the city might have been able to climb out of it, and it would be another footnote in its cities history. But they don't have a date for something that pales in comparison to the fall of the city. It's like having a date of something bad happening in Pompeii and next to that date with an arrow pointing to it, there's an image of a volcano exploding. I think who ever drawn the chalkboard messed up and "the fall of Shady Sands" was supposed to sound more dramatic than the nuking of Shady Sands. Or they had the foresight in drawing it like the way they did to make it vague as possible (seeing how the show goes I think it's unlikely). I just grasping at straws and rambling on about stuff the writers or anyone would think of. God this show is a mess when you look more into it.
I think they had experts, people that know more about fallout, than Todd Howard. Sitting going over everything.This has to be true. No detail was overlooked. This whole video sounds like nit-picking to me.
Great video, Ficus! Even the birds were enjoying your breakdown ;) It's been very difficult to have discussions about this show with people who insist on poisoning the well. As if its inconceivable that people couldn't enjoy this show.
I really appreciate your thorough analysis. I think part of the decision to release all episodes at once was to gloss over the inconsistent parts. You touched on the plot lines being used to deflect from the inconsistencies and I definitely got that impression. After watching it I took away that it wasn't that bad if you ignore all the parts that make no sense but it definitely isn't a good show. Great work 👍
It’s cool to see some rational critique without culture war bullshit or overly-nitpicking attitude. You made only good points and gave credit where it’s due. Respect, man.
I'm actually shock people defend the show thinking its a "masterpiece" and what worst that the TV Show is just going to end up like The Mandalorian for the next few season
A lot of those "people" are bots or paid shills. I noticed the comment sections of several popular TH-camrs that talked about this show being flooded by bots. Amazon is spending millions to try and prevent another rings of power fiasco
Next season you can bet they’re gonna make a mockery of new Vegas and people are still gonna call it good I can also make another bet that when people criticize the season for its plot holes and lore inconsistency they’re gonna say that we’re gate keeping and it’s for the general audience and we need to stop being toxic or some bullshit like that Bethesda and the writers as a whole don’t know how to make a fallout tv show They can’t even take it seriously because they have add in a joke or some wild wasteland type crap every 2 seconds because for some reason they have to insult our attention span too
Really good play by play. The show, despite what a lot of people want to think, totally misrepresented the themes of the series too, but I realize that's not really the point here. But it does leave it with hardly any redeeming qualities I found it especially funny that Moldaver talks about communists like they're a myth, "Just a dirty word," when the country's in a cold war with them and the entire show takes place in a setting that was blown up by a communists. (Unless Vault-Tec really did do it, which would be incredibly stupid anyway) Also thought the Brotherhood's treatment of squires was suicidally insane. I don't care how fanatical they're supposed to be, they'd be an army of deserters if they treated their recruits that horrendously right before sending them on far-off missions with little supervision. Agree that the music often killed the tone, which is something even a lot of the show's critics disagree on. The cheerful music was never that big a part of the games to the point of being horribly out of place. Flip-up visors are really stupid, there's not much of an argument to the contrary. Great stuff you've put here.
5:20 I will say that it would not be out of the realm of possibility for cars to be in that scene. The consensus of EMPs from nuclear detonations affecting cars is pretty much just "it may affect some but not all cars even modern ones as the circuits are too short to be affected." One of my favorite books was One Second After that had to do with a man and his family surviving in a post apocalyptic world after a severe EMP attack with all cars and advanced electronics not working. But the premise has been thoroughly debunked.
But, if we want to get into the weeds, it was established in New Vegas, specifically the Honest Hearts DLC, that the cars of the day WERE affected by EMP. Keep in mind that all of their cars were nuclear fusion powered by this point, as petroleum was exceedingly rare, so who knows what the internal wiring was like?
@billjacobs521 Fair enough. I had forgotten that detail and if they established that as canon within the lore of the games then cool. Ill resend that. I just remember around that time is when that stuff kept being stated and not too long after, a few years or so, more research became popularized debunking it. Used to theyd say modern cars would go dead at an emp but cars made in the 90s and back would be fine. That study wound up theorizing even modern cars would be fine
Rose "died in blight" 2277 (when she took children and went out, likely 2276-77) and Lucy flashback is from that. Not long after (before end of 2277) after kids were back in, Rose stayed out ("died"), and 5yrs after all that Shady got nuked (by someone). Also Lucy said that up till she was 6yo, she believed that Vault light was Sun, and only after mom gone (2277), she realized it was mom who "made it feel real".. Moldaver keeps her location secret (some agencies have bounty on her), she can NOT take high profile target as Wilzig directly. Knight Titus had Tempered Lining armor (mentioned ep) so no weak spot to hit. Lucy took Wilzig's head same day, then that night she took a rest, while Ghoul started search from Filly, so she didn't have that much "head start". Enclave base from wich Wilzig escaped is in NY (Brooklyn Army Terminal), so if that is the location, instead just filmed there, he came from far, also as high value target, will not go directly to the place, instead will "wander around" trying to cover his tracks, or arrived somewhat early in the area, waiting for "deliver schedule". And since he himself was going to Moldaver, likely them two had some cooperation. Scene next to brear cave where he changed from "doctors coat" to jacket, is cronologically before he approached Lucy (she lit a fire during night, and he wore jacket), so when Titus and Max find "doctor's coat, even if scenes right one after another, actually couple or few days time difference.
So Rose stayed in Shady Sands 5yrs after her kids got kidnapped and didn't try to save them? Moldaver has a bounty on her so she can't meet Wilzig, but Wilzig has a bounty on him so Moldaver sends him to a settlement full of criminals and bounty hunters? They could've met at the entrance to Vault 33 So Titus was the only BOS with tempered lining, and after the ghoul tried and failed to one shot it he was so sure it would work on the other BOS knights that he monologued about it. Lucy passed the donut shop during the day, the next day the ghoul passed the donut shop, so lucy had a 1 day head start(lol, HEAD start) I had never considered enclave scientist traveled across the entire country by himself, with a dog, no gun, and a briefcase. If that is true then that scene is so much worse than I ever suggested. The order of events between lucy meeting and bear cave doesn't change the insane odds of those meetings.
@@masterficus Yes, but Lucy took rest for the night, that is when Ghoul caught up with her. It doesn't even matter which night (same day night, or next day night) cause ghoul was shown losing day in Filly (presumably) and Lucy was shown Losing night in "desert". Thadeus was slow with crashed foot and a heavy bag. Moldaver has her own issues. Wilizig is being tracked by bounty hunters, taking him directly would be foolish, thus she used middlemen. Filly is known local hub (five BoS knight took of from Wendover Army airbase in nort west Utah, each to its own direction, Titus sent west to California ordered to search Filly first as stated in ep 2, means that Filly has importance there), people you need are there, it is a risk, as you said, that explains why he was "so random" there. He was avoiding getting caught there by the wrong people. And yes, Wilzig life in that Enclave base, and trip to California can be TV show of its own, with multiple seasons (if filming location of base is "the location) so do not expect to have Wilzig spin off inside of The Fallout. We will maybe get some few flashback at best. Some Knights have Tempered Lining. In the observstory one out of three could not be taken down by AP ammo, thus Ghould blew his helmet portion up with grenade. Yeah it would seem that Rose, decided that outside is more important than going back in with kids (at lest she knew they are safe, if nothing else). I mean that "great plague" in 2277 in Vault 33 "when people had to quarenteen", thus couldn't grow crops, so people starved, including her mother", while father "fropped to 128 pounds", must be when Rose was proclaimed dead by Hank, Betty and other 31s in 33. 🤷 Not sure, but it would seem so.
Lucy is shown to be walking during the day, which means after she woke up she started walking, it isn't until the middle of that day that the ghoul passed the donut shop that Lucy passed the previous day. Thadeus walked on a crushed foot with a heavy bag (which is a problem by itself) for days with no idea on where to go. It wasn't until after Lucy and Max leave vault 4 that Thadeus decides to go to the radio tower. Is taking Wilzig more foolish than letting him travel alone to a "hub" of bounty hunters and criminals? If Moldover already has a bounty on her head then she's already prepared to defend herself from bounty hunters, meeting Wilzig directly will minimize the number of people that know about him. He's carrying Moldovers lifes work. So the ghoul could've killed Max with just a grenade but didn't. The ghoul had two ways to one-shot power armor. Rose left the vault with her kids because she didn't trust Hank anymore. To let Hank take them back without going after them contradicts why she took them away in the first place. EDIT: btw I just noticed you combined your responses to keep the conversation in one place, I appreciate that. Thank you
@@masterficus Wilzig obviously planned an escape (that is why he put the thing in his head), circumstances weren't shown, but obviously things were planned. He only had to escape somewhat (few days maybe) before scedule due to what happened. Ghoul possibly didn't have grenades with him in Filly. Day of shoot out in Filly, Lucy pushed, went to satellite, took head and that evening took a rest for night, in the mean time, Ghould lost that afternoon in Filly collecting clues around and from those he killed (that is how he got a letter, Roofus and Tommy stuff), and that evening he pushed out, so yeah, Lucy's advsntage was gone. Moldaver faction is not good with some other factions (thus they have bounty on her), she hides her location, she can not ditectly participate in high profile/attention exchanges with Wilzig (I already explained that, not gonna repeat myself), she can only hope that she can cover her tracks, and try take him indirectly without exposing hersel.
Now that is a tough one, Rebel Moon pacing made it a chore to watch but doesn't have any canon to break, the writing in both is horrendous though, I could go either way on which one is worse
In fairness, supposedly the original idea behind Vault-Tec wasn't to make money selling vaults, it was to get the research from all their multi-generation long experiments. (This is supposedly different from other pre-war corporations) But we see multiple vaults were still under construction, even in Bethesda's games, so there's still no reason for them to actually initiate armageddon themselves. They just benefit from armageddon when it finally comes.
Exactly this. They were labeled communists so they could be "othered" and made to be villans in the eyes of the public. They were more anti-corpo, and anti corruption.
Possible, I did say the dialogue murkies the water, I'm undecided if they're actually communists or not, that's why I put some of the dialogue on screen. I'm sure some of them are communists judging by the "fascist" line when the ghoul makes a breadline joke, but it's hard to say if that's the ideology of the whole group.
They are communists trough and trough just like the writers of this show that changed the entire storyline of Mr house to be about "evil" capitalism destroying the world because evil capitalists are greedy....
No, they were. Their mindset was exactly like modern American Marxists/Communists. They even threw in the line that "Communists are what people call the ones who are not crazy" Major copium by Hollywood writers there. Most enlightened people KNEW they could not say anything bad about China or Communism, but those Ivory tower champagne Socialists cannot help but to throw digs at people who have a different world view than them
The man who created Fallout praised it for being faithful to the source material. His opinion means far more than any of you whiners. Y'all make a hobby out of hating on anything popular because you think it makes you look like you have refined tastes but really it just makes y'all look like clowns.
I really have to watch this as a based on elements shown in the fallout franchise, but as a stand alone story. Just about everything is non-canon. Vault 33 is played as to dumb to survive. Vault 4 would be in a direct blast zone and buried under millions of tons of debris. There is no way that shady sands is anywhere near Los Angeles. Ghouls don't work that way. Regeneration wasn't in fallout. Power armor moves too slow in melee. I could go on and on. But still it was a great entertainment on a genre I love
Always good to get a spectrum of opinions. I do appreciate that hollywood writing is so bad, that many consider fallout good writing in comparison All fair criticisms
i tried watching the show and couldnt stomach it even past episode 1, people told me that 'its good actually, the ghoul said a couple funny lines, it gets better as it goes on, i enjoyed it, youre just trying to hate it' and im just genuinely not understanding why do they keep saying its good, i enjoyed literally nothing about it
For the bethesda NPCs you wont get any writing from bethesda that could even come close the original games or new vegas. I still liked the show tho, but actually listen to the criticisms because they are actually fair, instead of blindly hating. Imagine hating on behalf of a game studio that has churned out abominations like Starfield and Fallout 76 as of recent, disregards and retcons established lore in Fallout and expects you to consoom no matter what slop they deliver. Did you all suddenly forget the innumerable issues with Bethesda?
Max's character sheet (roughly): Strength: 4 Perception: 1 Endurance: 6 Charisma: 1 Intelligence: 2 Agility: 4 Luck: 10 Perks: Idiot Savant 3 Iron Fist 3 (Crushes looters head) Rooted (Funny power armor moment go haha) Aquaboy (Doesn't give a shit about swimming in gulpers lake) Lifegiver 2 (Plot armor) VANS (EVERY CHARACTER GOES TO THE SAME EXACT PLACES) Medic (TF2 Medic that watches teammate burn while laughing) Gunslinger (One taps Yao Guai) Pickpocket (steals fusion core) Bloody Mess (head go boom) Mysterious stranger (Thaddeus saves his ass with a single bullet at the gulper) Four Leaf Clover Better Criticals Critical Banker Beserk Rad Resistant
Thank you for making this ‘neutral’ video. Unlike Synthetic Man, your gripes are valid. It just sucks a bunch of the Redditors in the comments criticize it without knowing any of the lore that explains it.
It's like being falsely accused of workplace harassment and the first person to defend you is Bill Cosby. Synthetic Man hurt the discord more in one video than reddit could in a year.
You'll never fix anything if you conform to paradigms created by your enemies. They don't want you to succeed, they will never accept you as reasonable unless you are already ceding the important points to them anyway. Stop being a coward.
@@MasterDecoy1W Weird that you say this, I just mentioned how I like his video, which is against my opinion because I loved the show, and you pretend like I’m too scared to look at other peoples view points.
@@TrojanLlama I thought you agreed with this video and only disliked Synthetic's because you were an optics cuck. Please be more clear about your position in the future.
@@TrojanLlamaAll I can say is relax, there’s loads of False Dichotomies in online comments section. One being that a person only listens to criticisms about media because they hate media. The concept of “So Bad It’s Good” is a case of this not always being true. Troll 2 is not a good movie. It’s a Dumpster Fire but I get enjoyment from Troll 2 as a bad movie because it’s so out there as a dumpster fire of a film that it makes me laugh. Even here, my opinion on the show is that I feel it’s “meh” but either way it’s more complicated than criticism = hating some media.
About the Ghoul drug: there is a chance that the ghoul was bullshitting Lucy about what that drug does. In a lot of Fallout stuff there are multiple competing explanations of what is going on even within the same storyline, also this show is a series of head fakes and obvious misleads, maybe they were accidentally less obvious with one. The drug I.V. leading in to the grave isn't necessarily the signal that he is a ghoul in his revival scene, though the timing of the mutant comment makes that the clearest interpretation.
Also ultrajet was developed for ghouls because they have a higher resistance to Jet. I think they are setting up ferals to be ultrajet junkies that have literally melted their brains to mush.
You got most of it basically.. I too watched it as a standalone.. has MANY problems, before even getting into the politics and how true it is to Fallout Lore.
And even Fallout 3 was more faithful to lore, for all it's problems. Like, the BoS was very different, but this was addressed; seeing such massive suffering, seeing the people were going to be wiped out by muties, they elected to stand up and help them, a much bigger version of what the first elder Maxson did to help you in the first game. And it wasn't universally applauded; a whole big group of them took off, painted their armor black, performed their mission, and struggled to find a way to communicate with the west coast leadership to report the betrayal. I don't think that's entirely enough to explain such a huge shift, but at least a fair amount of effort went in to trying to explain it; it wasn't just a handwave. And 3 at least felt isolated, empty; you didn't randomly bump into people every 5 minutes that pushed the story along. It's amazing how Bethesda writing just gets worse and worse, and then, when combined with Amazon writing (so like Rings of Power), it reaches new lows.
Just because the prop department locations are "good" plot wise are lacking too much and even find some things that doesn't make any sense. Specially making Power Armor even more of a joke and rule of cool ala Marvel Iron Man suit.
GET THAT JELLY MOLD OUTTA HERE
That line goes hard
>Show is sloppy at best. Huge success anyway.
>Fanbois defend every discontinuity, error, and outright bit of idiocy.
Todd: it just works.
wah wah everyone that disagrees with me is a fanboy.
as long as you take childish and hostile takes instead of actually trying to argue your point, nobody will take you seriously.
@@MatanZlatan take your own advice dipwad
@@MatanZlatan you started your comment off with "wah wah [insert what other person said here]", saying anything about being childish and hostile is fucking rich coming from you
@@MatanZlatanThe word "fanboi" by itself is not an insult, that's literally the text book definition of what the people who defend this Amazon slop with tooth and nail are. People so overexcited with something to the point of obsession... Remind you of anything?
If you feel personally attacked by the comment that's on you and you alone lol.
Also huh? The point that the show is OBJECTIVELY awful and flawed has been argued to death by a large multitude of people whether its in an insulting manner or not fans of the show will still just insult you, dismiss your criticism and call you an "Obsidian purist" for whatever reason, even if you don't bring up the Obsidian games in the slightest.
And when they don't they don't even argue against anything nor do they have the capacity to make good counterarguments because of how badly put together the show is, they just start making excuses the likes of: "season 2 will explain everything you guys" like bruh? :v
Just go to r/Fallout or Twitter and look up threads criticizing the show, people can not say anything mildly negative in the slightest without a myriad of Fallout tourists and Bethesda F4NB*YS losing their mind at the mere thought of someone not liking their corpo slop.
@@JohnnyMcTony Zzz more crying
The dude wacking off on the top bunk might be the most military accurate part of the BOS portrayal in the show lmao
No, we called that out and shamed them. You had to go into the stall or port a john and not make a mess OR it is your soap and your dick and you can wash it as fast as you want in the shower
Honestly yeah, never open a mans rack curtain without announcing yourself first. But that's also a reason Maxs understanding of sex bothers me so much, I've had more in depth conversations and debates about buttholes while enlisted than any other topic
@@masterficus I feel that, brother. You’re spot on about him being the most self incriminating mfer ever
@@masterficusyea but the BOS is also a religious type faction so they wouldnt teach it
@@the1theonlylewis61 they never were religious. they were always technophiles. them being THIS EXTENT of religious knights of yore LARPers was just the showrunners failing to properly research why they're a "knightly order" type of faction.
Shady Sands is no longer in the state of Shady, and it feels like they retconed the Boneyard and Shady Sands into being the same place. If so I guess the library never turned into medical university.
Except it wasn't
@@SuperCasperman who cares. The show is bad.
@@SuperCasperman shady sands was not in la what are you talking about?
shady sands location has been changed multiple times in fallout history. even tho the shows change is the most dramatic it isnt the first.
@notzay5573 but never before has its location been changed to a previously existing location, and that other location and it's history removed from the lore. It happened in the show and it is egregious
Shady Sands was definitely nuked in 2077. Lucy says her mum “died in the famine of 77.” Which is what Hank would have told her as a cover.
Also, in one of the end credits you see a Shady Sands library check in card, the last date on it is November 76. Which means that person couldn’t borrow more books in 77 because Shady was destroyed.
The show is made for people who never played fallout.
Spot on. I cringed when that one dude mentioned the water chip just for a reference 🤦🏽♂️
I forgot who, but another TH-camr mentioned a good point. Who the hell in the post apocalypse, is gonna manufacture and distribute a serum for ghouls? Who has the tech and why?
Haven't you heard? Only salty New Vegas fans ask that kind of questions. Real fans don't ask questions and unconditionally consume anything their favourite corрoration tells them to.
by that logic how are stimpaks, radways and other chems still being created in the games. its been shown multiple times across all games that several groups of people were able to start manufacturing things such as power armor, weapons and medicine. So I dont get why a serum for ghouls is that crazy
@@notabot485 the ghouls were appearing waaaay before a functional civilization, that could manufacture something like this, was created. All ghouls would have turned feral by the time someone would have come up with this serum and started mass manufacturing.
@notabot485 @notabot485 ghouls are a very small minority though. There wouldn't be such a dire need to allocate limited resources to create such a serum specifically for them. Unless maybe it was a serum intended for other purposes for everyone in the wasteland? It would've been simpler and easier for the show to just use the same logic as in the game, where the rot and radiation finally ate away at their brain and sanity and they went feral. You don't fix what isn't broken. Also stimpacks are basically health packs in every video game. Putting them in the show or a movie and having them work the same way as in a videogame would look silly as well.
@@mr.nesbitt8967 We're also shown in some quests that the medication doesn't work on NPCs the way it does on the player characters (which just proves those are simply game mechanics and not an actual in-game lore). You can't fix their limbs or stop the blood by using stimpaks. People might overdose on drugs. And some may need way more fixers to cure their addictions.
Making all Fallout meds literal magic would simply destroy all stakes and grand every main character an insane plot armor.
I feel like im in a twilight show where everyone around me has brain rot and is trying to gaslight me that Fallout was always a goofy goober parady series.
Exactly. Don’t listen to those casual eggheads!
Watching the Fallout series almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
I see what you did there 😏
Thank you for your service trooper
@@danamania150 o7
"almost"
Finally, someone besides MauLer who sees it for what it is - a nonsensical amateurishly directed garbage.
There's also Creetosis
@@regiman222 I've found a few. And a million casuals shilling it fanatically. All looking like soyfed nerds on average. Why are all of them looking perpetually happy all the time? 🤔
And let's not forget Enclave Emily.
Also DWTerminator
And synthetic man but that guy is a freak
When it comes to the whole NCR thing people are constantly like "just wait for season 2 bro! We'll see more of them then" as if the show doesn't already take place in NCR HEARTLAND. Sw should have already seen them here. Instead what we got was a couple of raiders wearing paintball & airsoft masks... The only thing that season 2 can do to fix any of these issues is opening with "this show is not canon to the wider events of fallout".
These bethesda simps write off any critique as blind hate while swearing up and down it captures the feel of fallout. Sure it captures the feel of fallout... fallout 4 & 76. And while I sure as hell enjoy those games if that was the feeling they were going for then why have it take place on the west coast?? This EXACT story could have been told anywhere else in the 80% of the US we haven't seen yet... But no they just had to shit on the most well established area.
Anytime you present an argument about a scathing plot problem, they actively make up reasons why it is there.
It's like they looked at everything in the southwest that had potential and decided that all had to go. They're just throwing away quality lore, factions, and plotlines, like anything that isn't Bethesda has to burn.
@@nathanlevesque7812 you mean like Bottle caps, Stimpaks and so on? . They did not throw away any lore as far as I know, what lore is it you imagine they threw away?. As for them throwing away plotlines, that is a level of folly that is rare to see, do you even know what plotlines mean?
@@TheRenekruse A small itemized list, - NCR currency, Shady Sands being in... Shady, not the Boneyards. A nation of 700000 people being reduced to scattered groups of raiders in less than decade. Power armor can fly now and requires no training whatsoever to excert enough force to rip your body in half if you're careless with it. Cold fusion is now both the McGuffin and the thing that powers power-armor, vehicles are completely gone. Ghouls now require a magical drug to not go feral. (Rather than it being left intentionally vague), and are impervious to non-headshot trauma. (Which would make them invaluable as shock-troopers), and plotlines are indeed just dropped and never brought up again (like the kinda sort of super-important water chip), you are a simpleton.
@@kyosokutai I am very far from a simpleton, in fact as far from it as it gets, which is why I know that everything you said is sprung from your own very limited ability to think, in fact your ability to think is so limited that you are less useful in an intelligent conversation, than a two legged ant with brain damage and paralysis is of use to the anthill. The layers of stupid in your comment are to thick for me to want to deal with them all, so I will limit my charity work to just a bit of it. You are so simple minded that you seem to think that because something was the case in the past, it must remain the same in the present otherwise lore has been changed, which is not the case. Tec advances for the brotherhood does not equal a break away from lore, it simply equals development. You claim "vehicles are completely gone" Proving you did not watch the show, or you not knowing the meaning of vehicle, unlike what you may think it is not limited to things that drive on wheeles and either way you do not know that there are no cars, simply because you have not seen any, it is not like you have seen everything that exists in the world. The only real argument you had was for Shady Sands but even that fails as you do not know what happned, if the people moved and named their new location by the same name, much like the Dutch originally calling what is now New York, New Amstadam. There are more than 10 locations in USA called Denmark. You do not know that the very thing that they made to keep ghouls from going feral does not give them regenerative properties, nor do you know if or when they found out what made them feral, finding out something that you did not know in the past is not breaking lore, it is simply new information, new tec, is not breaking lore, it is simply new tec. For something to be lore breaking, it would have to be a change to past events, to which you in fact have seen none.
Bad writing is common in many of shows and films from Hollywood. There are very few good to great entertainment for last several years
That is true, but we've had some good stuff too and the there was a lot of trash made in the past, I'm confident Hollywood has some good movies left in her
More like a lack of writing. People aren't getting paid for their work.
The main mcguffin of the entire story is cold fusion, supposedly a revolutionary new technology that could provide limitless energy and save mankind. It's bad enough that the writers didn't know that cold fusion already exists in Fallout's lore. But you know where it exists? It's what powers *the main mcguffin of Fallout 2, the GECK.* Vault Tec put cold fusion tech into an item that was supplied to almost every vault.
They decided it was cold fusion in Fo3 as far as I can tell (Vault 94 terminal entry). Before that there was microfusion. Maybe I'm missing a reference.
@@nathanlevesque7812 It's mentioned in the manual in Fallout 1.
@@nathanlevesque7812 static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/1/18/VDSG_GECK_page_34.png/revision/latest?cb=20201213070837 < from fo1 manual
@@Plutonia001 Huh, weird that no one added that citation to the wikis.
No, most vaults did not have a geck. Play the main story of fallout 3 to learn why and pay attention to the terminal you access at the citadel. Most vaults do not have a geck, and vault tech would not want their enemies having cold fusion, so it would still be prudent for them to prevent it from falling into enemy hands or prying it out of enemy hands.
43:43 They don't have the supplies, because conveniently, Maximus smashed them when he thought he was rescuing Lucy.
Yeah you're right I totally missed that
@@masterficusof course you did ...that's what we call blind hating
@@SuperCasperman just shut up
@@SuperCasperman you work for Todd, don't you? no one can criticize your boss' work.
Also the giant airship that definitely ISN'T the Prydwen says "Prydwen" on it. So that means its Elder Maxon's chapter
Seeing as the Brotherhood has now become the dominant faction in fallout, I’m not surprised by this
And that the Brotherhood now control most of the former US on both coasts.
@@Pestondemand Went from hiding in a bunker in the middle of NCR territory to dominating the whole area in a few years.
@@honkworld9405 truly, I can’t believe Todd Howard has blessed us with one of the most inspiring stories ever made ☺️🥲
@@honkworld9405 which makes no fucking sense hdhgdydh
"Why everybody in this show has to be an idiot?" - Because it's show for idiots?
You know what. That is a very well said statement. It really is.
The "humor" in this show seems like its written for 10 year olds.
@@Scaley_Reptile exactly
Thank all gods there's people like you, I was getting fed up watching all these shills and zombies praising it. Show's so bad it's fkin appalling.
@@Lazarus_ReSpawn that's my way of thinking. respect.
I been saying for years. Todd and Emil hate new vegas because no matter what they do, it is always considered superior to their work, so now theyre trying to rub their success in our faces by finally destroying what they could never match up to.
They'll still fail in the end.
Vegas fans still making up headcanon years later is wild when he didn't have to include Mr house/Vegas AT ALL
@@SuperCasperman cope and seethe because your favorite corporation is facing criticism
I would disagree because inconsistency between games is what Bethesda does. The inconsistencies between Morrowind and Oblivion is one example, the evidence leans more towards Bethesda just being generally inconsistent in what they make, if the Elder Scrolls is any indication. Changing the climates in Tamriel could be handwaved between Oblivion and Skyrim could be handwaved given the time gap between Oblivion and Skyrim. But between Morrowind and Oblivion is reaching. Also they changed what the Dark Brotherhood and other organizations were between only six years’ difference between Morrowind and Oblivion. Between Oblivion and Skyrim is 200 years, so over that time, maybe they planted trees, drained marshes, or abandoned land for forests to reclaim the land. But overall, inconsistency between games is just Bethesda being Bethesda, and it’s in no way unique to Fallout
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes It may not be unique to Fallout, but it's definitely unique to Bethesda. It's definitely not how Fallout began. It's just a shame they Marvel-Starwars-ized the IP, because there was potential for it to be much more than it currently is. Same goes for Elder Scrolls.
The Fallout show falls into the same pattern of modern film making. Multiple lead characters. Constant flashbacks and back stories. The only thing they grasp is surface level iconography and references with no deeper understanding of the established lore. Ignoring said established lore to the point of contradictions. Breaking the old lore.
The Fallout show should have had only one central character and their perspective of the wasteland. Supporting characters that could become companions or are essential to the protagonist. Antagonists could have multiple minor characters with their own goals as obstacles to the protagonist. The main villian should only be introduced through rumors. The protagonist finding only what clues about he, she, or them through their journeys. Such as finding the aftermath of a slaughtered town. Something that would happen in the Fallout Universe. No flashbacks to the prewar America.
My own take on a Fallout show would be the protagonist waking up alone in a medical center. Crumbling out of an auto-doc. He has no idea how he got there. He doesn't know his name. There is no one around. The entire first episode would be him venturing out to explore his surroundings. Gathering what supplies he could find. Clothing, weapons, ammunition, food, and medicine. There's not much but at least he has something. Exploring the facility he thinks it's some kind of bunker. He is attacked by mutant rats and rad roaches. The facility seems to be on auxiliary power.
All of this is meant to inform the audience to what is necessary to survive in Fallout. The exploration, scavaging, and combat. Clues to his past and the people who lived inside this bunker complex. Hacking computers and lock picking. The mystery to why he knows how to do everything he does but he can't remember his past or his name. But he has to escape. Or else this bunker will be his tomb.
His story is about discovering who he is as his initial motivation. The main plot and threat emerges after he escapes the Vault and has gone several crazy adventures.
You can introduce socondary lead character to give deep dive to other perspective of wasteland, but it need to happen a bit later to the story.
Fallout show have identity crisis since it can't decide which POV need to be in the spotlight, and mashes everything into incoherent mess
One of the biggest issues with this show is just hell bent the creators and Bethesda are on pretending this is canon.
Had they said it's a spin off series that is separate from the games, it would have solved so many problems. But, no. They intend to die on this hill, trying to lie to everyone that this show does not retcon anything.
At this point it's absolutely ridiculous how many people have fallen for it, when we have hard evidence it's a lie. The sad part is that they will not back down. They have gone so far with this farce, they can only move forward, pretending the criticism or retcons didn't happen.
Even if the Shady Sands bombing is in 2281(despite every evidence showing it was in 2277), it still retcons the end slides. Many of those slides clearly stated things like "In the following years, NCR did some stuff, following the path the player set during the game."
It's not just a bad adaptation of Fallout, it's just a bad, illogical and infantile series.
Basically matches up with Bethesda plot quality. Perfect adaptation!
And yet the man who created Fallout has praised it for accurately capturing the essence of Fallout. Seems you don't understand the franchise.
@@jres1995 And Sapkowski praised the Netflix Witcher series which was (somehow) much worse than the old Polish adaptation, which he hated with a passion. That doesn't mean anything.
Besides, Tim Cain has always been overly polite.
@@jres1995your a tic-tac iq’d peon whose never played a fallout game, our community does not want your soft hands little kid
@@jres1995 He also said he entirely separates the games from the show, comparing it to the gap between book and movie Conan, Strek iterations, etc.
Dude the brainrot in here with the defenders is insane, each one of them is a perfect example of why we can't have good stories anymore, religiously defending mediocrity and shutting down the criticism that could lead to an improved experience. Its like they want the world to be worse. Or they're just trolling hard to tell with how dumb the arguments are.
Bro just go to the fallout subreddit. The enlightened redditors there came to the conclusion that if you don't like or even just criticize the show you must be an insane NV fan who hates Bethesda. And the amount of cope with the blackboard scene and the NCR is insane.
Or people like you who thinks evwry pne who doesn't agree with you are dumb @$$es who can't enjoy change
@@dainfant5101 Hahahaha, that's exactly what I thought - NV lives rent-free in the head of every Bethedrone
That is what Corperate Exploitation of Customer Sentimentality gets us, man.
@@dainfant5101 i don't even hate bethesda games but they just get worse and worse over time anyway
i still dislike bethesda itself though,for OBVIOUS REASONS,they just keep dumbing down their rpg games further and further into just another action shooter look at fallout 3 compared to 4,3 still had traits and skills,fallout 4,replaced skills with just special stats and perks,and the cherry on top, traits are just gone
and thats not mentioning the story of both games being a downgrade from even 2 which didn't even take itself completely seriously,i mean there are talking intelligent deathclaws afterall,both 3 and 4 are pretty bad in terms of writing,fallout 3's story is bad,and is linear as all hell,fallout 4's story,slightly less linear but has almost 0 choice,3 of the 4 factions have the same end goal,institute go boom,despite the fact that taking them over instead is the more logical choice but you can't convince any of the factions to actually take them over
boy this turned into a wall of text quickly
people don't read and are so dumbed down.that's why this show is popular
pretty much
Exactly,, after watching it went online.. watched how its being recieved, and how people even thought would see what I did even sold out...
I literally said to my flatmate "The dumbing down agenda has suceeded"
@@Scaley_ReptileA lot of them are probably bots and or shills. Remember starfield and how "it is the best game ever!?!?!?!!!!" appeared out of nowhere and was said when the game wasn't even out? If you really want to know how well the show was received you have to talk 6months after about it.
@@irgendeineperson5350Somewhat.
But I mostly think it's mostly casual fans who ignore the story and treat it like every other mindless sandbox Bethesda puts out.
@@irgendeineperson5350 Omg people like you aren't very smart. There are no shills and bots. People genuinely enjoy this show. Get a life
I feel like the Fallout TV show is the Fallout 4 of the TV Show world
>cool set pieces and moments that makes no sense
>plot that's broken and a complete mess
>Brotherhood of Steel having an airship that's incredibly complex and advanced even compared to Tactics's Airships which were literally just normal blimps
>Brotherhood of Steel wearing any power armor that is not the T-51b
>Vault dweller main protag character.
There could be some more that I miss but I digress
Except the narrative was co-opted right out the gate and somehow convinced most critics and reviewers that it was good. Which didn't happen with Fallout 4. The best explanation I've heard is that most reviewers just turned off their brains and said it was good because it met a "fanservice" quota. So most either weren't paying attention enough to consider their reviews legitimate, shilled out for Bethesda or were fanboys themselves and are lying about it.
@@65firered ..or are just dumb as a thousand fucks, while we're at it 🤣
If you wanted to prove that you are a simpleton, then well done. "Vault dweller main protag character." That is literally every fallout game, which is what the show is about, so of course things would not make sense to you, as you have none
And no you did not digress, stop using words you do not understand.
@@TheRenekruse gtfo, imbecile. There IS NO INTELLIGENCE IN THIS SHOW. NONE. Just Fallout visuals. A child could write a better plot, it's an insulting garbage.
Did they add ghoul zombrex for the show or did i just miss that for 15 years
I can't stop thinking about that poor kid in a fridge in Fallout 4 sharing his cramped fridge with 76,000 zombrex vials
Yes, it's invented for the show. Feralisation was never a disease.
True Fallout fans never heard of ultrajet, lmao.
@@masterficus We also cannot forget about Rachel, who traveled many kilometers and found no cure for their condition. Speaking of which, it turns out that Nate simply tricked Oswald into thinking there was no cure .
its like the ones who proofread the script are high schoolers
I mean. You can actually find high schoolers that are very competent. I think they may have done a better job ngl.
Give high schoolers a little more credit. Some of them can make something that at least has consistency.
You assume that they were looking to fix mistakes. Look at Rings of Power and tell me they care.
@@65firered they probably care but they're incredibly stupid. the writers. producers. everyone involved. echo chamber of stupidity
@@cozminr You know what, that's fair. Velma is a passion project and is an abomination upon humanity and got a second season.
They can fast travel
HA! That is a good one
Makes about as much sense as randomly having robotics knowledge like it's just the science skill on their character sheet
Fast travel still makes the time go by so technically it would still take days for them just instant travel for the player but Ik ur joking
“Ghoul has a wife with a prominent position in vault tec and a daughter (unemployed)”
Got a chuckle outta that
Don't forget that the fact there are Fusion Cells and Fusion Cores all over the Fallout games up until the TV show pretty much implies that Cold Fusion is already a thing in the Fallout universe. You can't reduce a fusion reaction down that small if it's "hot fusion". The fact the cells continue to work 200 years later also implies cold fusion since no energy is required to contain the heat of the reaction.
36:52 knights are meant to be celibate?
The tribe of techno isolationists managed to somehow maintain their numbers for 200 years while having members remain celibate...
They are mocking Evangelical Christians so logic is out the window. They praise Communism, do not under Capitalism, have a refugee filler episode in a 8 episode season and made a spoof of Trump as a buffoon one eyed Overseer. It is dogshit all around because 'Messaging' took priority
Different Chapters have different upbringings. Maybe Squires aren't allowed to procreate while Knights and Paladins are.
@@MrBoxen I suppose that wouldn't be a bad way to patch the hole, but I don't think the audience should require fanon to fix logical errors within the script.
@@demondeity9816 I mean, it makes sense. Thought I rather not have the show exposition dump us with stuff. It’s too handholdy and modern media especially games constantly do that now. But it’s hard for a show not to do it because we can’t just open up a terminal or holotape and read why it’s that way from another point of view.
Bruh people sending hate to this video. I liked the show but think your criticism are fair ain’t gonna lie.
Very emotionally mature, unlike the people saying "You don't like my THING, you must be erased from existence! AHHHHHH" . I think Master Ficus will get pretty popular by dissecting shows. He did a helluva of a job...think he needs to throw in some clips and memes to get a wider audience though
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Finally someone gets it. I still don't see the appeal though, but that's just me.
You know the "Quit Having Fun" stick figure comic meme? That's this video.
It wouldn't be so bad, if not for the text in the thumb.
@@CognizantCheddar people like you are the reason gatekeeping meme exists
Thanks for making a level-headed and well thought out criticism of this mess. I started feeling like I was taking crazy pills the way some people defend it. Either that or the only criticism they can muster is shrieking "WOKE!"
In the end I'm just disheartened because I can see the care and attention that went into everything from the sound design, to the props, to the sets, to the performances, and all that talent and effort was betrayed by the writers not putting the same amount of care into doing their job. Unfortunately theirs is the most important job when the point of the project is to tell a story.
It IS WOKE btw. My notes about Episode 1: - 52 seconds in: race mixing propaganda, he cannot have a son, because the future is female and melaninated
- Communist okay, anti-commie bigoted
- selfish white man hits PoC, not the other way around of course
- making fun of meritocracy
- pregnant woman power
- bestest ever Mary Sue
- Vault Commettee has no white man, woman in the middle with microphone head
- sexist honeymoon joke by the women, imagine if men did it about women
- Vault PoC majority makes no sense
- Vault 33: 3+3=6
- brother looks weak and retarded intentionally
- Vaults next to each other wtf, why are they separated at all?
- woman talking about sperm count at the table. Imagine the uproar if a man asked the woman if her eggs are healthy
- recolonize. not repopulate. colonize. Intentional Marxist language.
- husband is white but suspicious of course
- raider leader PoC woman, what a joke
- raiders are mostly white, for the same reason Tarzan always will be white
- heroine saved by a random black man, not by the white guy who loves her, he must be weak and goofy
- fork in the eye, woke Wolfenstein vibe
- heroine saves her weak brother, not the other way around
- BoS: 3 PoC in the opening screen
- weak sadist white man BoS member
- androgenous thing
- smoking white kids
- bigoted Christian-like BoS, corporal punishment in school
- public masturbation in the barracks?! wtf
- "young lady": white man tries to play the authority, attempting to make fun of the '50s morals (which were undoubtedly superior to what we have now)
- inquisitor figure is white of course, victim is PoC, blatant modern day anti-white racism
- she has a mustache, must have been on Buffout for a long time
- oppressed black guy finally can give order to weak white man and is satisfied with himself
24:00 if he ever realises that sand has no water inside he will die, so he has to pull a wiley-coyote-not-looking-down to save his life and keep filtering the sand in hopes that the universe at large won't notice
Good lord they're playing by 40k Ork belief rules
I believe you're mistaken about Lucy's build. During the entire show, any time Lucy fires a weapon, she bulls-eyes the target. She's definitely got either 10 perception or 10 luck. Considering how lucky she is throughout the show and how naive she is, I'm going to guess it's luck.
and everyone has 1 inteligence
True, I was trying to classify her build based off the skills she has in her introduction interview
She has the 'strong independent women' build, all her stats are a 10.
10 LUK is genuinely the optimal build in every game -:3
Lucy has a 10 in Mary Sue just like every other female character written by woke antifans.
A compilation of short stories would have been cooler
I thought they would have given us that.
Give us an intro story with a protagonist.
Then kill them off.
And move on to a different character. And so on.
Each exploring different player experiences as stories.
Some funny, some sad, some action heavy, some detective style.
A Fallout anthology would have been the perfect way to do it. They put so much credence into the established games that it's breaking under it's own weight.
Or like a "Black mirror" tv show with each single episode dealing with a new vault and its experimental horrors
@@arturovandeley Great Concept
@@arturovandeley I thought in it as being a bunch of episodes showing different kinds of wastelanders, but also including vault dwellers, which stories would tie up in the end directly and indirectly, turning into a hook for a second season or something
This show is a cavalcade of coincidences.
Like all media
It’s all low iq writing
@@4Star18, maybe, but may be it would be better to say convenient coincidences.
Plothole: The Show
Appreciate videos being uploaded on this. Currently working on my own long form breakdown analysis of the show. Not even done with the first episode and Im over 20 pages into the script. Set to be a fun one so far. Noticing even more issues as Im going back through the show on a second watch whilst writing out the review
gimme a shout whenever you're finished, I'm interested
@masterficus Will do. Progress has haulted due to life getting in the way and other high quality videos being released that do a better job explaining the shows issues than the ones being released earlier on. Appreciate the interest!
People are so blinded by the visuals to understand that the whole timeline and story makes absolutely no fucking sense.
I only played Fallout 4 and that was ages ago. Still, I found myself asking "why?" during several scenes in the series. The problem is not just the disrespect for the game's canon, it is the disrespect for the "rules" established by the series itself.
Often within the same damn game. This is what not having a game design document does.
play the older stuff... the best way to do so is to play Fallout Et Tu (1+2), and Tale Of Two Wastelands (3+NV).
The Bounty on Wilzig is also a Plothole. Who put it on him? The Brotherhood had an exact description of the Guy, even the Dog and the stolen Technology was 100% acurate information. The only Factions who knew all this exact information are Moldevars Remnants and the Enclave. Moldevar didn't need to put a Bounty on a Guys head that's on his way to her anyway. So there is just one option left: The Enclave. My Issue with this is that a secret Organisation like the Enclave wouldn't put Bounties on valuable Researchers. Remember: This Guy knows where their Base is and other secret stuff that would compromise them. If a Faction, like the Brotherhood for example, get their hands on this Guy all the secrets would be open to them. Everyone hates the Enclave because of their Past. They wouldn't risk beeing exposed like this and that an Ememy Faction get their Technology.
Absolutely, and how did he get in contact with Moldevar in the first place, was it when he was in the enclave or when he was on the run and just got extremely lucky? Why didn't we see any enclave kill teams trying to plug their leak? Why didn't the person that first saw him and post the bounty just catch him first? There's so much in this show that I didn't even notice, decided against including, or cut from the script that people will be posting new videos about these mistakes for months.
Why don't you wait till season 2, before jumping to conclusions. Because if you are wrong, you are sending the wrong message to people who love the show. The show creators went over every detail and I doubt they messed up. Todd Howard has all the experts on it.
@@Robert-yt9pq There is so much wrong with your last two sentences. First of, show runners often fail and serve quickly put together stuff. Sometimes it seems if one dumb person in the room shouts first that this would be a nice idea and that it makes sense for them, they go with it. Secondly, Todd Howard is not a source for experts at all.
@@Robert-yt9pq what expert ?
@@Robert-yt9pqboy are you wrong. This show has problems once you pay atention to how the story is written.
Funny how i was saying, that its rather ironic they decided to ditch the release schedule. They were scared of these reviews coming in halfway through and screwing their revenue up.
The shows definitely a mess and makes almost no sense narratively. Cant wait for Creetosis's in depth breakdown, hopefully Mauler does an in depth video as well. Anyways great vid. It was very informative and fairly in depth. Its a shame so many people commented without watching.
I know Mauler is working on something, a video, a dedicated EFAP, something. The only thing that can stop Creetosis at this point is God
I appreciate that Mauler was chatting with two friends, live, who praised the show, and his response was a polite but firm backhand of facts and logic that neither friend could really dispute and mostly just stammered, flustered at the experience of being in the longman's crosshairs.
With the ghoul meds thing, this directly goesmagainst Bethesda's own lore in Nuke World, where you can find a holotape of a ghoul outright stating that their search for a cure to going feral has turned up nothing. This, when combined with Oswold the glowing one not being feral means that, according to the show, he was taking anti-feral meds, and let his close friend go out and turn feral on a fruitless search, rather than share, and then get all broken up about finding out there was no cure.
What Ficus didn't touch on but what bothered me is how is there enough serum left after 200 yrs? Thousands of ghouls just in this area would have used it up in a year or two
makes even more sense why they avoid Obsidian, it would even more show that Bethesda is clueless with this IP
13:40 "Why does everyone in this show have to be an idiot?" 'Cuz writers can't create characters smarter than themselves. 😅
This show is worse than the live action Wicher series.
At least that series is separate from official canon.
Hey don't forget about the Halo t v show and velma
@@DoomUvb the halo show was awesome, what are you talking about? Red vs Blue was an early 2000s masterpiece!
@RobotsEverywhereVideos I think you got the one confused.I'm talking about the one made by amazon
A lot of good points here. This show is gonna be like the Mandalorian. People are praising it because they wanted it to be good (including me also, until i saw the two last episodes). Each season is gonna get worse and worse until everyone admits it was all bad all along.
Exactly, let the hype vent off a bit and everyone will open their eyes
This is such a retarded ass point dude if that were the case everyone would've liked the halo show since it's way more beloved then fallout, just because you're a cynical bitch doesn't mean everyone else is
Extremely well put. I was already making connections with Maximus flashback as well being saved by the BoS similar to how Djin was found in Mando
the first 3 episode is mid i'll give it 7/10, the last 3 episode is suprisingly good lore, it explain vault 76 dweller securing the silo for the fate of cshadysands and vault city , the only thing about it is where the Fvck is 700k NCR are
The FNV fans are going to EXPLODE next season and turn on the Bethesda shills like Matty Juiceguy & Oxhorn when the showrunners retcon their favorite game. Those fans are pretty zealous
This is the show that more or less ended or soured a friendship of mine with someone. They were the more casual of fans. I was the more devoted fan. I hated it, voicing all the problems. They liked it, and told me I was a salty Vegas fan.
Lol the show was genuinely awful. Don’t let them gaslight you
Oh hey I found this video, damn algorithm messing up my search results, this video actually does a great job summarising what happens and as someone whos played the games, this is very helpful for recapping what happened.
It’s obvious there is a massive comment bot campaign against anyone who is critical of the show. As of writing this comment this video has 1.2k views which makes it a very obscure video. But there is swarms of comments completely dismissing the video’s content
It's either bots or people that hate click, dislike, comment, and leave, which I knew would happen when I made the thumbnail, but I'm pleasantly surprised at the amount of support and even the people that dislike my video but stick around long enough to comment on something I actually said.
Everyone dont like or agree with is a bot.
God your people are so fucking pathetic.
The targeted bot campaigns, especially for such a small tuber, always seemed like a stretch. More likely it's that most people would rather watch shorter lore videos or firearm experts reacting to the show's guns than a 1 hour video of nitpicking. People stopped liking CinemaSins for a reason.
The algorithm is still likely recommending this to people because, well, the Fallout show is a hot topic right now. That's probably where these comments are coming from. I know I got this recommended, watched 5 minutes (which I don't think YT counts as a view), was like "oh okay", read and left a few replies and now I'm going to leave. Maybe I'll come back to the video later when I'm more willing to spend some time.
It's almost like you get an influx of eyes on your content when you feed the algorithm and release something on a popular topic, surely there's an intricate conspiracy behind it all. This thing was sub-1K when it crept into my feed and wouldn't have done so at all without being fallout related
It's obvious that a channel with just a few hundred subs could only attract over 11K views as of now, via intentional hate baiting, thus drawing in thousands of hate-drones.
“The west coast factions were stomped on to allow the BOS to invade another wasteland”
Todd’s hard on for the BOS strikes again. Can Todd just come clean and make a game or series purely focusing on the BOS? Unceremoniously killing off the NCR just so the BOS can be the big bad faction again is a load of bullshit. It’s all gloss until you dig in deep and realize how the BOS is full of holes as a faction because there is no way to explain their continuously growing strength. At least Arthur Maxson being able to unite the Brotherhood of Steel and allow outsiders to join is a sufficient explanation for how their numbers grew significantly compared to how obscure they were in DC pre-unification of chapters and most especially compared to the BOS in the west coast, but it still would not explain their growing technological might. The NCR was at least understandable because the residents of Vault 15 actually tinkered with technology. So unless Bethesda comes out clean and just has the Brotherhood be a self-sufficient city-state full of techno monks who think they should horde all technology to safeguard humanity, then it would at the very least put me at peace as to why we are seeing all this stompage from the BOS.
@@steezydan8543 Bethesda writer detected
@RexJacobus-bb1vwoh no doubt it is. For all its flaws, it is a cool faction.
Why bother if they can't stop changing the BOS every entry?
I wouldn't be so mad about it if the Brotherhood actually acted like the brotherhood. Todd isn't a fan of the. Brotherhood, he's a fan of Power Armor.
The only thing that makes the series even remotely interesting is the fact that it's somewhat related to Fallout. Other than that, the story is not only bad, but it retcons and destroys the Fallout lore that we currently know of. If the season two is just as bad, then I'm done with the series.
It is so easy to accept what is trending without questioning. To me the Fallout show wipes out the legacy lore and themes the original Fallout trilogy stand for, even worst, it rewrites history for Bethesda's convenience to clean up the west coast and fill it with Marvel Humor, Wacky gore and meaningless stories.
Inconsistency and mediocrity are Bethesda's signature. All players deserve better and if no one talks about it then we will always be given the same dull products.
Thanks for making this vid.
I watched the first 2 episodes and dropped this show immediately after
"Jelly mould. Jelly mould never changes..."
Why in the everloving fuck would the knights be celibate?
Wasn’t it kind of a major part of Veronica’s story in NV that the BOS was pushing people to have kids?
@@tlucas7031 Yes, she and Christine were in love but were forced to separate because obviously lesbians don't make babies, which they needed because they don't generally accept outsiders.
damn you're telling me the child is unemployed?? in this economy?
I feel like people don’t understand that you can like something that’s not well written. This show looks good and has some great acting and has music and a feel that is likable. But the writing is just awful for a lot of the show and it’s hard to really root for a character when half of their actions aren’t great and most stuff just happens by chance instead of deliberate decisions
That's my issue. Society wants everything destroyed, lol. We wouldn't have anything at all if critics were in charge. People are spoonfed all these special effects and whatnot. Imagination is gone, why we can't just enjoy a show and go on about our business.
@@dgdailey7572 you certainly can, you choose to come to a video with less than 10k views to hear about it
No...people understand that. Seems the people who like something that is shit cannot stand objective criticism of their obsession.
I think the show is mediocre and that is because of what you said. I think Ella Purnell & Walter Groggins are such great actors that they blinded some people noticing bad writing. The set designers, prop masters and other crew were fantastic, plus the cinematography and directing was high level. Notice how scenes are setup, Claire Kilner & Fred Toye did just as great as Jonathan Nolan if not better
@@TheImapotatoyep, even if the show wasn't canon it would be mid...
The music in the show is terrible. Not a single stand out or likeable ost that wasn’t just a song pulled from one of the game radio stations.
As someone who enjoyed the show there was definitely a lot of stupid moments (like the brother hood not turning on their light when the ghoul attacked and how weak they decided to make power armor) it kinda reminds of the mandalorian where everyone claimed season 1 was a masterpiece because they were deprived from good Star Wars content
Best breakdown of the plot failings of this show so far. And this is just on the show's own merits; you didn't even go into the game lore. 😂
Lucy drank highly radiated water before that finger scene. I though shed maybe mutate and get regeneration. And then i thought it happened to max's squire when his foot got healed magically. Then it turned out ghouls just heal themselves and aren't i dont know decrepit at all. Literally no downside to being a ghoul except no kids and you need zombrex like katie
A dead finger no matter what the technology should be able to merge unto living cells. AND there is a reason we cut off limbs to this day as gangrene enters the blood stream and kills you. No way she should be alive. I don't know why they didn't give her a robot finger, it would have worked much better
Another issue that comes up with these Vaults 31 -33. Since the show is CANON according to rejects at Bethesda, WHY didnt the Master raid them for prime humans and turn them to Super Mutants. Why didnt THE ENCLAVE Raid them in Fallout 2.
This show CANNOT be canon at all.
Maybe they were aware that these were vapid, sloganeering, junior managers? I'm joking, naturally, but also reminded of the issue of the Vault's "experiment". Supposedly, the idea was to raise a perfect managerial class, but how would that arise by just having the already-trained managers go one or two at a time into a control population? What stops them from being bred out or falling victim to bad ideas with only two unmonitored test vaults?
Oh, well, excellent lore catch. I forgot about the prime humans bit.
Shhh. The shills in the comments section are gonna sniff you out for caring too much about established lore and implore you to shut up since all Bethesda wants to do is attract people who never cared about Fallout even the ones that LARP around pretending they do care.
Honestly the only way it could be explained (for at least the master’s side) is that the master is just outright stupid.
He doesn’t realize that his mutants are sterile and canonically never finds out about vault 13 despite it being closer
Although for the enclave I honestly have no clue. Maybe they didn’t find it similar to how the master couldn’t or they just didn’t bother to.
@@PeppinSpaghett. The Master is a schizophrenic hive-consciousness that is insane. He/She/It doesn't have to be stupid, since they are completely self-absorbed in the literal sense. None of the Super-Mutants ever bothered questioning the Master before, since it appears extremely intelligent, and appears to have a knowledge of FEV they do not. As far as they're concerned, it is their creator, hence the whole temple thing, which is a jab at religion.
@@PeppinSpaghett.but that’s the thing. Master isn’t stupid, he’s just obsessed with his cause. He’s blinded by his own righteousness. And from L.A. to Vault 13 there is a one month walk. While his supermutants and followers could get to Vault 33 and Vault 4 entrances in 5 hours.
Nice video, good to see quality, level-headed break downs of the issues with the show starting to come out.
Obviously dont let the angrier/nastier comments get to you, defenders will be defenders and not everyone can take criticism of the things they like.
Thanks, I knew what I was going to get when I chose the title and thumbnail, I'm actually kinda blown away at how many positive responses I got
I haven't watched the video yet, but it's funny that most of the comments are from people poisoning the well and not arguing against anything.
There's nothing genuine to refute. TH-cam-addled "Plothole" shrieking obsessives who care more about their personal gotcha moment than the experience of a piece of art should be quarantined from the rest of the internet, it's pure cringe.
@@dystopiabeach It's a great show if you have no understanding of the IP.
* In Fallout 4, the Chinese are confirmed as launching before any nukes detonate.
* In New Vegas, the NCR is still being supplied from Shady Sands in 2281.
* The Brotherhood isn't patriotic, and never cared about "order" in the wastes.
* Ghouls don't auto-regenerate: they need a strong radiation source for that.
I could do a Top 20 list, but what seems to be going on here is Bethesda wants to wipe out all parts of the IP they didn't create - that being the NCR and various New Vegas factions. This is a matter of reorienting the tone and content so that they're not "beholden to things written 20 years ago" (as once asserted by Bethesda's community outreach manager).
Bruh! I'm 20min in and I want to make strong arguements against every point he is nitpicking so far, but it's an hour fucking long. I'm going to need to write a book just for the 20min I have watched so far!
@@Calbeck You mean the same people who literally said that new vegas is canon. And this show is canon. And nothing was retconned. And while cutting it close. The timeline is correct. You really think bethesda wants to wipe new vegas? If people are actively buying new vegas its good for them.
@@Calbeck damn that's crazy. If it's more important than an enjoyable viewing experience then you'd happily sit through an 8 hour season of TV with the Geiger counter constantly ticking in the background of every scene right? If it's in the name of accuracy making an objectively worse show is a net positive? Nothing about this series negates the Chinese launching in the first place. That braindead argument was already pushed back on by Tim Cain himself (and anyone capable of critical thought while we're at it). Nearly every bit of discourse around this show has come from a subset of gamers who are simply too mad to be capable of reading. It's completely unserious
I personally would've liked to see less brotherhood presence on the west Coast in general and am not a fan of bethesda fallout's heavy focus on them, you know why it's the case in this story? Because it's a fucking TV show, things have to happen on screen, an audience has to be captured. All of these pathetic cinemasins tier complaints can be traced back to simply not understanding the medium in the first place. Career showrunners, directors, and writers with credits the likes of Interstellar under their belt (let alone ones who have proven to be fans of the games) know what they're doing over a bunch of sweaty redditors im sorry to say
Thank you for reminding me to stay hydrated.
Happy to help
Todd's axe to grind with New Vegas is evident in the show. 2277? The year Fallout 3 starts? Come on, please. Give me a break.
But I get it...Bethesda & Microsoft know FO1 & FO2 fans do not buy their games and that their biggest critics are FNV fans. They are catering to the run and gun FO4 and settlement building FO76 fans
@@TheImapotato They also screwed it by having RobCo and RepCONN at the meeting. RepCONN GOT BOUGHT OUT by RobCO. You find various entries at RepCONN HQ in New Vegas.
@@MLPDethDealr32 Yes! True! Didn't notice that, great catch
@@MLPDethDealr32 We don't know when the meeting is, and REPCONN was only bought out by RobCo in 2075-2076. The meeting could easily take place before this.
This is New Vegas fanboyism at it's peak, is angry about the date on the sign regarding Shady Sands decline which is hinted at in New Vegas do the NCR citizen test and claims it's Todd's hatred for New Vegas when Shady Sands literally is from Fallout 1 & 2 and doesn't get seen in New Vegas but cause it's mentioned NV fans feel the need to think it somehow attacks THEIR game and must be targeted New Vegas hatred as opposed to a dislike for the originals which it isn't btw. It's just fun seeing NV fans act like OG fans despite the show barely affecting NV and even hinting at it playing a major part in the second season.
I dont get how people are calling this masterpiece or good even? It's similar situation like the last of us tv show and how praised that shit was?!
Because they were just like the games and not a cash grab using a popular ip to make money . Also shut the fuck up
@@Thebloodguyhahaha
@@milosstojicic2119 great response I’m taking notes
produced by the same corporation that birthed Rings of Power too.
Consoomer never changes
@@commanderknee3821 same corporation that made the boys , invincible and reacher (it’s spelled consumer btw)
I'll admit that I actually loved the show as far as video game adaptations go. But the thing that bothered me was the whole Bethesda thing of everyone living like the bombs dropped yesterday instead of 200 years ago. Instead of civilization creeping in it's just vault morons in blue jumpsuits drinking nuka cola and killing super mutants while Todd busts an übernut to the BOS.
The ubernut comment made me giggle. But yes, Todd seems to have a hard on in keeping the wasteland bleak. I know there was an attempt in FO4, but we're talking about the show, where Bethesda once again has a hard on for Vault Dweller who act like morons instead of people aching to reclaim America.
Yep. Humans don't want to rebuild in Todd's Fallout. The NCR is slowly being impeded so that we don't see any of that
The showrunner openly stated that that is why they nuked Shady Sands; they wanted to return the wasteland to Mad Max mode for the show. Why the show had to be on this date, in this location, when it could have been in a wide variety of other locations or dates and had that exact aesthetic, I don't know, but by god, that's how it HAD to be apparently, so the only solution is to nuke the surface AGAIN so they could reset things.
@@billjacobs521 Borderlands if it took itself serious lmao
Extremely lucky the unarmed enclave scientist didn't die on his trip to Moldaver in a post-apocalyptic wasteland rife with dangerous creatures/environments/raiders, also the story literally revolves on Lucy herself having plot armor when she takes the scientist's head as if she were to die in the post-apocalyptic wasteland at any point, the head would have been lost. The plot itself is moved around due to sheer coincidences and stuff happening that shouldn't. Like Maximus and Laddeus track the ghoul via his radiation trail... Through a radioactive wasteland. Extremely luckly they weren't instead tracking a irradiated mutant animal
So what shall it be Vault 33?
Do you join the Unity? Or do you die here
The funniest part is if new Vegas is cannon and the courier works with house and Sinclair big mt and all are cannon house should be the most powerful man in the wastes along with the courier plus the courier with the nukes form the divide could have just nuked shady if they really wanted to nuke it so bad but whatever more canon that they gloss over it's funny how when they make canon the forgot new Vegas in a lot of ways like jet in fallout 4 just becoming turbo but Todd would never admit it fucking insane
Would have been easier on them if they just had the show take place somewhere in the East Coast. The West Coast was well on its way to, albeit problematic, to rebuilding.
That’s one hell of a sentence brother
@@gentlemanbronco3246 Yeah, the show would've done fine and people would not have hated it that much. Just stick it in the Toddout lore, but noOooOooOoOoOOOOOOOOOOooo, if you don't like slop, we will force it down your throat
Have a feeling they will do House dirty because he is a white man. He was on the sidelines in his cameo
@@gentlemanbronco3246 It was done on purpose. Bethesda and Microsoft want Bethesda lore only, forget the past, kill it if you have to is the mantra
Everything else on that board had a date along with the event. If there's no date for the nuke dropping after the fall of Shady Sands, it can be assumed that arrow is pointing to the nuke dropping in 2277 being the fall of Shady Sands itself. Regardless, there are plenty of other issues with the show. Biggest ones for me being tha it felt like one of those 2010s parody movies like Disaster Movie or Superhero movie that is making fun of the thing it's based on rather than respecting it and trying to do a faithful adaptation, plus the fact that Bethesda and fans were swearing this was simultaneously canon and faithful to the games, but you should shut up and turn your brain off and ignore any changes to the lore to just have fun and enjoy the show.
Also why would Hank wait to nuke Shady Sands and presumably kill Rose to cover up what he did? Someone willing to murder someone to eliminate a witness or cover up some other attrocity generally doesn’t wait around to do it, they treat it as something urgent to make sure the sparrow doesn’t sing.
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepesOr waiting for them to bring the NCR beating down their door.
In the final episode, it was said Shady Sands was nuked 20 years ago (iirc It was said Lucy's mom passed away 20 years ago), and the show takes place in 2296. So, doing the math Shady Sands was nuked 2276, but this could be a tiny error. However, from what the dialogue of the final episode tell and the chalkboard show, the fall and the nuke are one in the same.
lol did you just trick me into watching the final episode again? If yes good troll, if no can you give me the timestamp? I didn't hear any dates in commie leaders monologue outside of referring to the war 200 years ago, if they really said she died 20 years ago then FNV was absolutely retconned
@@masterficus yeah, it looks like i was wrong. I rewatched the ep couldn't find the 20 year thing. When i first watched the show I was watching with some people and I had to go do some at the time and when i got back one of of them said they confirmed when when they nuked shady sands. Unfortunately i took their word for it. Sorry about that.
No worries man, it's a new show, things are still getting found out, we're all prone to mistakes like this.
@@masterficus yeah, I've been talking with the people I've watched with, and we've been skimming through the show of places where the characters might have said how long ago Lucy's mom passed away. Like Lucy herself or her dad or brother (before the reveal that Lucy's mom is the ghoul). Even seeing if Max might have said how long ago Shady Sands was nuked.
It feels like the show was vague on when Lucy's mom's death and how long ago Shady Sands was nuked. The chalkboard was consistent on its dating until the end when it says the fall of Shady Sands and has a date and then has an arrow pointing at a nuke. We have the date for when the city fell but don't have the date when it was nuked. If the city fell from population decline or crop failure or something else, the city might have been able to climb out of it, and it would be another footnote in its cities history. But they don't have a date for something that pales in comparison to the fall of the city. It's like having a date of something bad happening in Pompeii and next to that date with an arrow pointing to it, there's an image of a volcano exploding. I think who ever drawn the chalkboard messed up and "the fall of Shady Sands" was supposed to sound more dramatic than the nuking of Shady Sands. Or they had the foresight in drawing it like the way they did to make it vague as possible (seeing how the show goes I think it's unlikely). I just grasping at straws and rambling on about stuff the writers or anyone would think of. God this show is a mess when you look more into it.
I think they had experts, people that know more about fallout, than Todd Howard. Sitting going over everything.This has to be true. No detail was overlooked. This whole video sounds like nit-picking to me.
Great video, Ficus! Even the birds were enjoying your breakdown ;)
It's been very difficult to have discussions about this show with people who insist on poisoning the well. As if its inconceivable that people couldn't enjoy this show.
Thanks man, the vultures like to hang out in the mornings, really cool looking birds that don't bother anyone, great neighbors
So population of vault 4 did survive The master’s army? Bruh bs
I really appreciate your thorough analysis. I think part of the decision to release all episodes at once was to gloss over the inconsistent parts. You touched on the plot lines being used to deflect from the inconsistencies and I definitely got that impression. After watching it I took away that it wasn't that bad if you ignore all the parts that make no sense but it definitely isn't a good show. Great work 👍
It’s cool to see some rational critique without culture war bullshit or overly-nitpicking attitude. You made only good points and gave credit where it’s due. Respect, man.
I'm actually shock people defend the show thinking its a "masterpiece" and what worst that the TV Show is just going to end up like The Mandalorian for the next few season
A lot of those "people" are bots or paid shills. I noticed the comment sections of several popular TH-camrs that talked about this show being flooded by bots. Amazon is spending millions to try and prevent another rings of power fiasco
Next season you can bet they’re gonna make a mockery of new Vegas and people are still gonna call it good
I can also make another bet that when people criticize the season for its plot holes and lore inconsistency they’re gonna say that we’re gate keeping and it’s for the general audience and we need to stop being toxic or some bullshit like that
Bethesda and the writers as a whole don’t know how to make a fallout tv show
They can’t even take it seriously because they have add in a joke or some wild wasteland type crap every 2 seconds because for some reason they have to insult our attention span too
To be fair the tunnelers and released red clouds were a possibility
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes oh yeah I forgot about that part
Ulysses did say the tunnelers would come to the Mojave within 10 years
Really good play by play. The show, despite what a lot of people want to think, totally misrepresented the themes of the series too, but I realize that's not really the point here. But it does leave it with hardly any redeeming qualities
I found it especially funny that Moldaver talks about communists like they're a myth, "Just a dirty word," when the country's in a cold war with them and the entire show takes place in a setting that was blown up by a communists. (Unless Vault-Tec really did do it, which would be incredibly stupid anyway)
Also thought the Brotherhood's treatment of squires was suicidally insane. I don't care how fanatical they're supposed to be, they'd be an army of deserters if they treated their recruits that horrendously right before sending them on far-off missions with little supervision.
Agree that the music often killed the tone, which is something even a lot of the show's critics disagree on. The cheerful music was never that big a part of the games to the point of being horribly out of place.
Flip-up visors are really stupid, there's not much of an argument to the contrary.
Great stuff you've put here.
Wait Shady Sands is now in Downtown L.A.?, how did they transpoerted the whole town so many miles ?
There simply isn't an explanation. Shady Sands is just moved to be in LA so the plot could happen.
5:20 I will say that it would not be out of the realm of possibility for cars to be in that scene. The consensus of EMPs from nuclear detonations affecting cars is pretty much just "it may affect some but not all cars even modern ones as the circuits are too short to be affected."
One of my favorite books was One Second After that had to do with a man and his family surviving in a post apocalyptic world after a severe EMP attack with all cars and advanced electronics not working. But the premise has been thoroughly debunked.
But, if we want to get into the weeds, it was established in New Vegas, specifically the Honest Hearts DLC, that the cars of the day WERE affected by EMP. Keep in mind that all of their cars were nuclear fusion powered by this point, as petroleum was exceedingly rare, so who knows what the internal wiring was like?
@billjacobs521 Fair enough. I had forgotten that detail and if they established that as canon within the lore of the games then cool. Ill resend that. I just remember around that time is when that stuff kept being stated and not too long after, a few years or so, more research became popularized debunking it. Used to theyd say modern cars would go dead at an emp but cars made in the 90s and back would be fine. That study wound up theorizing even modern cars would be fine
Rose "died in blight" 2277 (when she took children and went out, likely 2276-77) and Lucy flashback is from that. Not long after (before end of 2277) after kids were back in, Rose stayed out ("died"), and 5yrs after all that Shady got nuked (by someone). Also Lucy said that up till she was 6yo, she believed that Vault light was Sun, and only after mom gone (2277), she realized it was mom who "made it feel real"..
Moldaver keeps her location secret (some agencies have bounty on her), she can NOT take high profile target as Wilzig directly.
Knight Titus had Tempered Lining armor (mentioned ep) so no weak spot to hit.
Lucy took Wilzig's head same day, then that night she took a rest, while Ghoul started search from Filly, so she didn't have that much "head start".
Enclave base from wich Wilzig escaped is in NY (Brooklyn Army Terminal), so if that is the location, instead just filmed there, he came from far, also as high value target, will not go directly to the place, instead will "wander around" trying to cover his tracks, or arrived somewhat early in the area, waiting for "deliver schedule". And since he himself was going to Moldaver, likely them two had some cooperation. Scene next to brear cave where he changed from "doctors coat" to jacket, is cronologically before he approached Lucy (she lit a fire during night, and he wore jacket), so when Titus and Max find "doctor's coat, even if scenes right one after another, actually couple or few days time difference.
So Rose stayed in Shady Sands 5yrs after her kids got kidnapped and didn't try to save them?
Moldaver has a bounty on her so she can't meet Wilzig, but Wilzig has a bounty on him so Moldaver sends him to a settlement full of criminals and bounty hunters? They could've met at the entrance to Vault 33
So Titus was the only BOS with tempered lining, and after the ghoul tried and failed to one shot it he was so sure it would work on the other BOS knights that he monologued about it.
Lucy passed the donut shop during the day, the next day the ghoul passed the donut shop, so lucy had a 1 day head start(lol, HEAD start)
I had never considered enclave scientist traveled across the entire country by himself, with a dog, no gun, and a briefcase. If that is true then that scene is so much worse than I ever suggested.
The order of events between lucy meeting and bear cave doesn't change the insane odds of those meetings.
@@masterficus Yes, but Lucy took rest for the night, that is when Ghoul caught up with her. It doesn't even matter which night (same day night, or next day night) cause ghoul was shown losing day in Filly (presumably) and Lucy was shown Losing night in "desert". Thadeus was slow with crashed foot and a heavy bag. Moldaver has her own issues. Wilizig is being tracked by bounty hunters, taking him directly would be foolish, thus she used middlemen. Filly is known local hub (five BoS knight took of from Wendover Army airbase in nort west Utah, each to its own direction, Titus sent west to California ordered to search Filly first as stated in ep 2, means that Filly has importance there), people you need are there, it is a risk, as you said, that explains why he was "so random" there. He was avoiding getting caught there by the wrong people. And yes, Wilzig life in that Enclave base, and trip to California can be TV show of its own, with multiple seasons (if filming location of base is "the location) so do not expect to have Wilzig spin off inside of The Fallout. We will maybe get some few flashback at best. Some Knights have Tempered Lining. In the observstory one out of three could not be taken down by AP ammo, thus Ghould blew his helmet portion up with grenade. Yeah it would seem that Rose, decided that outside is more important than going back in with kids (at lest she knew they are safe, if nothing else). I mean that "great plague" in 2277 in Vault 33 "when people had to quarenteen", thus couldn't grow crops, so people starved, including her mother", while father "fropped to 128 pounds", must be when Rose was proclaimed dead by Hank, Betty and other 31s in 33. 🤷 Not sure, but it would seem so.
Lucy is shown to be walking during the day, which means after she woke up she started walking, it isn't until the middle of that day that the ghoul passed the donut shop that Lucy passed the previous day.
Thadeus walked on a crushed foot with a heavy bag (which is a problem by itself) for days with no idea on where to go. It wasn't until after Lucy and Max leave vault 4 that Thadeus decides to go to the radio tower.
Is taking Wilzig more foolish than letting him travel alone to a "hub" of bounty hunters and criminals? If Moldover already has a bounty on her head then she's already prepared to defend herself from bounty hunters, meeting Wilzig directly will minimize the number of people that know about him. He's carrying Moldovers lifes work.
So the ghoul could've killed Max with just a grenade but didn't. The ghoul had two ways to one-shot power armor.
Rose left the vault with her kids because she didn't trust Hank anymore. To let Hank take them back without going after them contradicts why she took them away in the first place.
EDIT: btw I just noticed you combined your responses to keep the conversation in one place, I appreciate that. Thank you
@@masterficus Wilzig obviously planned an escape (that is why he put the thing in his head), circumstances weren't shown, but obviously things were planned. He only had to escape somewhat (few days maybe) before scedule due to what happened. Ghoul possibly didn't have grenades with him in Filly. Day of shoot out in Filly, Lucy pushed, went to satellite, took head and that evening took a rest for night, in the mean time, Ghould lost that afternoon in Filly collecting clues around and from those he killed (that is how he got a letter, Roofus and Tommy stuff), and that evening he pushed out, so yeah, Lucy's advsntage was gone. Moldaver faction is not good with some other factions (thus they have bounty on her), she hides her location, she can not ditectly participate in high profile/attention exchanges with Wilzig (I already explained that, not gonna repeat myself), she can only hope that she can cover her tracks, and try take him indirectly without exposing hersel.
I think it's possible that we got a Fallout show worse than Rebel Moon.
Now that is a tough one, Rebel Moon pacing made it a chore to watch but doesn't have any canon to break, the writing in both is horrendous though, I could go either way on which one is worse
In fairness, supposedly the original idea behind Vault-Tec wasn't to make money selling vaults, it was to get the research from all their multi-generation long experiments. (This is supposedly different from other pre-war corporations) But we see multiple vaults were still under construction, even in Bethesda's games, so there's still no reason for them to actually initiate armageddon themselves. They just benefit from armageddon when it finally comes.
Timothy Cain had an interesting video about it.
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes put that man back in charge please
I don't think they were actually communists. That was just what they were labeled by others.
Exactly this. They were labeled communists so they could be "othered" and made to be villans in the eyes of the public. They were more anti-corpo, and anti corruption.
Possible, I did say the dialogue murkies the water, I'm undecided if they're actually communists or not, that's why I put some of the dialogue on screen. I'm sure some of them are communists judging by the "fascist" line when the ghoul makes a breadline joke, but it's hard to say if that's the ideology of the whole group.
@@masterficus Yeah, that makes sense.
They are communists trough and trough just like the writers of this show that changed the entire storyline of Mr house to be about "evil" capitalism destroying the world because evil capitalists are greedy....
No, they were. Their mindset was exactly like modern American Marxists/Communists. They even threw in the line that "Communists are what people call the ones who are not crazy" Major copium by Hollywood writers there. Most enlightened people KNEW they could not say anything bad about China or Communism, but those Ivory tower champagne Socialists cannot help but to throw digs at people who have a different world view than them
Good. Finally more people realizing this show is absolute garbage.
The man who created Fallout praised it for being faithful to the source material. His opinion means far more than any of you whiners. Y'all make a hobby out of hating on anything popular because you think it makes you look like you have refined tastes but really it just makes y'all look like clowns.
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@@jres1995anybody who doesn’t like this show because it’s “inaccurate” or “goofy” hasn’t played fallout in their life
@@jres1995ah yes, the show being liked by everyone and the creator magically erases all the inconsistent writing and plot holes. thank you.
@@SwanCollins Sure bud keep telling yourself that, hypercritical nobodies lmao 🤣
even as a fan of the show I have to agree with some of your points
I really have to watch this as a based on elements shown in the fallout franchise, but as a stand alone story. Just about everything is non-canon. Vault 33 is played as to dumb to survive. Vault 4 would be in a direct blast zone and buried under millions of tons of debris. There is no way that shady sands is anywhere near Los Angeles. Ghouls don't work that way. Regeneration wasn't in fallout. Power armor moves too slow in melee. I could go on and on. But still it was a great entertainment on a genre I love
Always good to get a spectrum of opinions.
I do appreciate that hollywood writing is so bad, that many consider fallout good writing in comparison
All fair criticisms
i tried watching the show and couldnt stomach it even past episode 1, people told me that 'its good actually, the ghoul said a couple funny lines, it gets better as it goes on, i enjoyed it, youre just trying to hate it' and im just genuinely not understanding why do they keep saying its good, i enjoyed literally nothing about it
For the bethesda NPCs you wont get any writing from bethesda that could even come close the original games or new vegas. I still liked the show tho, but actually listen to the criticisms because they are actually fair, instead of blindly hating. Imagine hating on behalf of a game studio that has churned out abominations like Starfield and Fallout 76 as of recent, disregards and retcons established lore in Fallout and expects you to consoom no matter what slop they deliver. Did you all suddenly forget the innumerable issues with Bethesda?
Bethesda Bros are already hyping themselves up for a Fallout 5. These people are as dense as granite.
Max's character sheet (roughly):
Strength: 4
Perception: 1
Endurance: 6
Charisma: 1
Intelligence: 2
Agility: 4
Luck: 10
Perks:
Idiot Savant 3
Iron Fist 3 (Crushes looters head)
Rooted (Funny power armor moment go haha)
Aquaboy (Doesn't give a shit about swimming in gulpers lake)
Lifegiver 2 (Plot armor)
VANS (EVERY CHARACTER GOES TO THE SAME EXACT PLACES)
Medic (TF2 Medic that watches teammate burn while laughing)
Gunslinger (One taps Yao Guai)
Pickpocket (steals fusion core)
Bloody Mess (head go boom)
Mysterious stranger (Thaddeus saves his ass with a single bullet at the gulper)
Four Leaf Clover
Better Criticals
Critical Banker
Beserk
Rad Resistant
Thank you for making this ‘neutral’ video. Unlike Synthetic Man, your gripes are valid. It just sucks a bunch of the Redditors in the comments criticize it without knowing any of the lore that explains it.
It's like being falsely accused of workplace harassment and the first person to defend you is Bill Cosby. Synthetic Man hurt the discord more in one video than reddit could in a year.
You'll never fix anything if you conform to paradigms created by your enemies. They don't want you to succeed, they will never accept you as reasonable unless you are already ceding the important points to them anyway. Stop being a coward.
@@MasterDecoy1W Weird that you say this, I just mentioned how I like his video, which is against my opinion because I loved the show, and you pretend like I’m too scared to look at other peoples view points.
@@TrojanLlama I thought you agreed with this video and only disliked Synthetic's because you were an optics cuck. Please be more clear about your position in the future.
@@TrojanLlamaAll I can say is relax, there’s loads of False Dichotomies in online comments section. One being that a person only listens to criticisms about media because they hate media. The concept of “So Bad It’s Good” is a case of this not always being true. Troll 2 is not a good movie. It’s a Dumpster Fire but I get enjoyment from Troll 2 as a bad movie because it’s so out there as a dumpster fire of a film that it makes me laugh. Even here, my opinion on the show is that I feel it’s “meh” but either way it’s more complicated than criticism = hating some media.
About the Ghoul drug: there is a chance that the ghoul was bullshitting Lucy about what that drug does. In a lot of Fallout stuff there are multiple competing explanations of what is going on even within the same storyline, also this show is a series of head fakes and obvious misleads, maybe they were accidentally less obvious with one. The drug I.V. leading in to the grave isn't necessarily the signal that he is a ghoul in his revival scene, though the timing of the mutant comment makes that the clearest interpretation.
Also ultrajet was developed for ghouls because they have a higher resistance to Jet. I think they are setting up ferals to be ultrajet junkies that have literally melted their brains to mush.
The Ghoul he pout out of his misery asked if had any of the stuff. So no it does do what they intend it to do
51:07 DarkViperAU? IT'S FOURTEEN PAGES!
You got most of it basically..
I too watched it as a standalone.. has MANY problems, before even getting into the politics and how true it is to Fallout Lore.
You have the best video that breaks down how horrible the writing is in this show by far. Thank you for your service in calling this bullshit out.
And even Fallout 3 was more faithful to lore, for all it's problems. Like, the BoS was very different, but this was addressed; seeing such massive suffering, seeing the people were going to be wiped out by muties, they elected to stand up and help them, a much bigger version of what the first elder Maxson did to help you in the first game. And it wasn't universally applauded; a whole big group of them took off, painted their armor black, performed their mission, and struggled to find a way to communicate with the west coast leadership to report the betrayal. I don't think that's entirely enough to explain such a huge shift, but at least a fair amount of effort went in to trying to explain it; it wasn't just a handwave. And 3 at least felt isolated, empty; you didn't randomly bump into people every 5 minutes that pushed the story along. It's amazing how Bethesda writing just gets worse and worse, and then, when combined with Amazon writing (so like Rings of Power), it reaches new lows.
Just because the prop department locations are "good" plot wise are lacking too much and even find some things that doesn't make any sense.
Specially making Power Armor even more of a joke and rule of cool ala Marvel Iron Man suit.