Zelda Is Telling Bigger Stories and I Am ECSTATIC
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ธ.ค. 2020
- For a long time I've dreamed of bigger, ongoing Zelda stories. And right now, with Age of Calamity and the announcement of the Breath of the Wild sequel, that's basically happening.
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I've finally finished Age of Calamity and I disagree that it renders this discussion irrelevant. All my points still stand, and the game's existence still works to build a new storytelling model for the series. SO THERE.
I have also finished age of Calamity, but I still regard it as a prequel
What do u think about the ending?
Imo it was a bit too coward I think to not go with the depressing sad ending with everyone dying we expected, but if they actually make use of the new timeline split they just made in the sequel, it'll honestly be very cool
Kk
I haven’t finished the game but it’s super good voice acting and gameplay but the bad point is graphics but idc at-least it’s not sword and shield 🛡 but it’s very fun I hope it gets DLC
"-only one rule, though!"
-Fire away, send me a curve ball, I'll handle anything!
"-No Tingle stories. I'm serious."
- ... I can no longer work under these constraints.
there are already 2
@@anythingagency8516 some of us want a tingle game for the switch
I thought he said "No TANGLE stories." I was like "WTF is a tangle story? Is this some story writing term i've never heard before?" Went to go look it up on google and only got results for the Disney movie Tangled...
@@Zarkonem well technically, since Arlo said "Tingle", you can go hog wild with that billion dollar idea, can't wait to see the fruits of your labor.
@@mustachewalrus Link and Rapunzel are playing a game of twister when Zelda walks in and.... nevermind... i'm just going to stop right there.
After seeing this video, I REALLY want to see arlo's spoiler review of age of calamity.
LOL! I know he said it, but you can tell he hasn’t made it to the end.
ye
I still haven’t played it :/
I think he'll still feel largely the same. It's not a "consistent" story but it still fills in some blanks and the world spans multiple games.
(This is also assuming BotW 2 isn't somehow following on from Age of Calamity)
I'm just glad it's not actually canon.
I love how Nintendo pushed _really_ hard to get past the timeline shenanigans with Breath of the Wild and intentionally making it so far in the future its impossible to tell which timeline its on.... only to *immediately* split the timeline again with Age of Calamity.
"It's slightly awkward to release a trilogy out of order"
Star Wars Fans: First time?
Their trilogies movies got released in order,not the trilogy themselves
@@benman92 Yeah that's what I meant. The respective trilogies are in order, but the trilogy of trilogies weren't.
@@daffyfable1983 You mean the 2 trilogies?
I see your Star Wars and raise you Metal Gear Solid
@@hiiambarney4489 hello intellectual
STORY THAT INVOLVES MIDNA/TWILIGHT REALM PLEASE. THAT ENDING STILL BREAKS MY HEART.
but it was SO GOOD
Arlo: "There are only 3 mainline Kingdom Hearts games"
KH fans: **B I G I N H A L E*
THERE
ARE
NO
SPINOFFS
@@modstin Well coded and chan of memories are kinda gameplay spinoffs because they play so differently, but still matter in the story. BBS and DDD are certainly not spinoffs in any sense of the word.
@@modstin there’s also no coherence.
I read this as I heard it.
The point was basically that you have "Kingdom Hearts 2" and "Kingdom Hearts 3", so you'd *think* those are like the most important entries and that the main story takes place within those...
Yet no, there are *hugely important* developments and reveals scattered throughout the like fifty thousand other titles that came out between 2 and 3, and while there was only one game in between 1 and 2, said one game did still change up the status quo in such a way that anyone jumping straight from 1 to 2 would probably be at least somewhat confused. Yet, the simple fact that they are *named* "Kingdom Hearts", "Kingdom Hearts II" and "Kingdom Hearts III" kinda gives those three titles in particular an air of being uniquely significant, like the other games don't matter as much?
...At least that's what I took from that statement.
As I continue to replay BoTW every few months, I've been paying more attention to the world and just how big and fairly dense it is. I have more confidence that they can add enough new mechanics and tweaks to the environments to make up for the asset reuse, especially if they tell more engaging narratives both in the main story and the side stuff (hoping every major side quest is at a level of quality similar to Terry Town). There's so much potential here. While BoTW's narrative itself was disappointing, all the necessary pieces were there and I can say that it's easily the most fully realized Hyrule has ever been. It feels kind of plausible to live there which I couldn't ever say about any other iteration of Hyrule where sometimes it didn't seem like there was even enough landmass for people to live off of. With BoTW 2, I hope they try something interesting with the champion's descendants. Sidon is pretty fleshed out but they can go way further with him and the others definitely could use more work (especially Teba who I'm sure most people forgot even existed).
they need to build off the New Champions after AoC.
Narrative and dungeons are the biggest flaws of BOTW, and the Zelda team should include OG Hyrule Warriors to the timeline and put BOTW after that game.
OG Hyrule Warriors takes place after every Zelda game or using a lot of the games, this can explain the magical 10 000 game between Ocarina of Time and Breath of The Wild specially when Twilight Princess is the last one of the direct Ocarina of Time sequels.
I mean i remember that Teba existed, its just that you spend all of 30 seconds with him shooting targets and then you fight the ganon shard
just add more enemy Variety. that's all I want.
I agree, BOTW for me personally was one of the best games Ive ever played but could have used some work in fleching out the story a bit more plus extend character development like you said. I hope they keep Kass in the sequel, because I can just remember hearing his music in the background and felling like I was home.
"A consistent story spanning multiple games."
Well... At least BotW 2 will be consistent... hopefully...
But seriously, even if Age of Calamity did its own thing, I still greatly enjoyed the story it told.
Agree
A sequel to AoC. Do you rike it?
Yeah
My only worry is that BoTW2 will take place in the "good timeline" that Age of Calamity introduced. There are honestly no indicators it will, I just personally would be more interested in exploring post-apocalyptic restoration of the original BoTW timeline.
While it seems like botw 2 will take place in the original botw’s timeline, the aoc could still pop up, with the two timelines acting in a similar fashion to ocarina of time’s present and future, or the light and dark worlds
Me and my dad always watch your channel, it's super cool. We're able to bond over your videos, thank you arlo :)
I wish me and my dad can bond over the milk he left to get and never came back
@@dreary.3714 *F*
"Canon story to Breath of the wild"
Oh no no no,he doesn't know.
It’s still canon. Just an alternate timeline
@@mittens4385 well not canon to breath of the wild
it is canon to the timeline
but not to botw
@@mittens4385 well thats the problem
@@skele8961 BOTW isn't even canon to the Zelda timeline either. Rough going from Twilight Princess (direct Ocarina of Time sequel) to Breath of The Wild and seeing ritos out of nowhere or sheikah.
The original BOTW should be a sequel or followup to the original Hyrule Warriors since that game literally picks up elements from every Zelda game ever.
And seeing Age of Calamity thing, maybe my theory can be true, BOTW is a reboot.
@@saricubra2867 That's not necessarily the case since it's been at least 10,000 years since the last Zelda game before it. What if the the rito as seen in botw are descendants of the zonai as opposed to their zora origins in the adult timeline? Also the sheikah could have made a resurgance any time in that huge gap. If they were gonna make a game as big as botw, it wouldn't make sense for it not to be canon. Also Aonuma said that it happens at the current end of one of the three timelines
Uhh who's gonna tell him the huh.. the timeline thing?
Link: *breathes*
Nintendo: THAT'S A NEW TIMELINE RIGHT THERE
the timeline only exists to sell fanboys more stuff.... it never was planned and that's why it feels like the story of Kingdom hearts..... which was also never planned
@@jesusbarrera6916 yes, the timeline wasn't planned (no shit Sherlock), but its existence is not only for profit. It is pretty evident (if you are paying any attention) that as the Zelda team introduced references between their games a timelime grew organically. You may like or dislike the timeline itself (I think it is a mess) but being so cynical about its existence is just disengenious.
@@javiercortes814 references are not a timeline..... even Ubisoft can pull that BS with their watchdogs, the division, splinter cell, rainbow 6, etc. It doesn;t make it a timeline.... DOOM has an actual timeline and is dumb af just like ZELDA's because they had to force it to make sense
stop being fanboys, you are being milked
I disagree. Aoc went with its own thing but the pieces to tell the true story is there. I made a whole film about the true story if you are interested!
Edit: you can watch it here: th-cam.com/video/R2ZMaIJYo3M/w-d-xo.html
I like Age of Calamity, but I would have preferred if we were given a canon prequel, or they could've been at least been more honest about it. Age of Calamity has been shown to be noncanon, with its storytelling more akin to the first Hyrule Warriors, as it contradicts a lot of the memories, diaries, and the officially-written books. It seems to be more of a fanservice-y spinoff than a part of a "trilogy". Nonetheless, I like Age of Calamity's storytelling, but it has no bearing on Breath of the Wild's universe, it's a Hyrule Warriors story that happens to be specifically focused on Breath of the Wild's characters.
Yes; Nintendo and Koei Tecmo squandered a golden opportunity to give us a canon prequel to BOTW; to have the player actually experience the Calamity. I was ready to cry. Age of Calamity supposedly being a prequel was the only reason I was even interested in the game. Then I heard about the egg guardian time-travelling in the demo and I got suspicious. After the game released, my suspicions were confirmed so I didn't buy it.
I'm glad people are suing Nintendo for the Joy-Con Drift, but where's the false-advertisement lawsuit? There definitely should be one.
@@juangutierrez673 They never outright said the exact word "prequel", but they said a lot of stuff that conveyed "prequel" with no room for alternate interpretation without reaching. The website even literally says that the game is "the only way to see firsthand 100 years ago". They also made sure to edit out anything that, in the scenes shown in the trailers, would've given away that it was an alternate timeline.
Those INTROS and their RANDOMNESS, are unmatched perfection. 😄😄
And I don't think he's ever reused one....ever lol.
Basically, Age of Calamity has my favorite Link moment in that he actually makes a direct communication with another character.
Huh?
I can hear the always sunny music play after he says " A cannon Zelda story"
I hear the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme playing
I mean it is canon, just split timeline
@Minecraft Creeper Because it wasn't what was advertised; Nintendo falsely-advertised the game as a proper prequel that would let us experience what happened in the backstory of BOTW (and please don't try to argue that they didn't or that they never said the exact word "prequel"; I've heard it all and easily debunked it all). We're not upset about the split timeline in-of-itself; we're upset because of the false-advertising and the missed opportunity.
They really know how to lure a blue puppet back
Hey
He’s a MONSTER not a puppet
this video hadnt aged well before it even came out
yeah because they cant write anything proper or sad, gotta be feel good everyone wins story!
@@awildmoose6541 yeah it should’ve been more like Halo Reach
Age Of Calamity is just poorly written story period. there are so many plot holes, inconsistencies, and poorly developed characters. All for the sake of a happily ever after ending.
@@awildmoose6541 Idk man that's an incredibly narrow perspective to have. If the ending was what we expected, not only would that be boring because canonically to botw, there was barley a final battle, everyone just died pretty much as soon as the true calamity started, but what's the point of buying a game with it's story as the main focus for it to just be everything you already know. Not to mention the ending if it bleeds into Botw 2 opens up the possibilities so much, how else could they even have a sequel to botw with how open ended it is.
@@Whispernyan why did people watch the Star Wars prequels even though they knew darth Vader would turn to the dark side? Because they like the franchise. Nintendo should have made the heroes lose because it normally doesn’t happen in these types of stories. Plus, now aoc’s ending is just a forced happy ending instead of telling an interesting depressing story like majoras mask
A game about The sheika tribes and yiga clan would be incredible. A normal sheika member would be the main character and you would lead charge into many battles. After Hyrule takes sheikas out of battle you realize that there are many members that are feeling betrayed and angry including yourself. You join the sheika clan and get to see everything they’ve done. The game is about a villain and you are that villain.
Anyone else feel the need to hug Arlo as soon as you see him?
Every day.
I don't hug hand-puppets
@@Christopher-md7tf how dare you say that about cookie monster
@@BassMaster.454 It's a controversial take, I know 😝
@@noneofyourbusiness3096 That sounds dirty
The Breath of the wild games will always stay close to my heart :)
Nintendo: you guys want more botw story?
The fans: yes! So age of calamity is a prequel?
Nintendo: uh....
They really should’ve advertised it better
@@SebbyWest exactly. I love the game, and I see why they didn't advertise it better, but still. At least ask if we can change the future or something
@@SebbyWest I agree. However, I loved the game anyway :)
they didn't even hesitate to straight up lie to us by saying it was a prequel lmao
@@firesnakex8 yeah. I feel as if it should've been advertised like "can the little guardian help zelda to save the future?" or some shit like that.
He's so excited, it's breaking my heart.
Tingles perspective of Age of Calamity - is a side scrolling running away from everything game
If you have played age of calamity and got to the “you know what” part, you were either amazed or shocked. I was
This video won’t age well when he finishes the game lmao
Oh this poor muppet he really should’ve finished Warriors before making this
It was all just a dream?
I feel so bad for him.
@@man100111 nah it was an alternate timeline
10:25 out of context Arlo quotes
Arlo: "Breath of the Wild is going to be a Trilogy!"
Nintendo: Laughs in alternate timelines.
Still though, Age of Calamity is an amazing game with amazing story. I love it.
its really cool seeing these return-to-form type videos, always nice actually seeing arlo in a vid :,)
ik
“The story will be completed, the plot will be connected, the story will come to a satisfying linear conclusion!”
Nintendo: 😬
More like, Nintendo: Yes! Another victim of our false advertising, and another $70 in our pockets.
@@juangutierrez673 Yeah. I hope Nintendo gets called out on (and possibly even sued) over this false advertising.
@@matthewmuir8884 th-cam.com/video/R2ZMaIJYo3M/w-d-xo.html please watch this. Probably the closest canon prequel to botw you'll ever get :/
@@matthewmuir8884 how is it false advertising, the beginning of the game which is in the free demo literally tells you it's going to involve time travel.
@@Whispernyan The demo would be a good argument for that, if the rest of the marketing didn't double-down on the whole, "prequel to Age of Calamity" lie:
1. The announcement trailer opened with the line from the king, "I think you are now ready; ready to hear what happened 100 years ago." Gee; I wonder what fans are supposed to take away from that? Alternate timeline? (obvious sarcasm).
2. In all the game footage that they showed in the trailers, everything that would've given away the time-travel (not story spoilers; just the time-travel) was deliberately edited-out of the scenes. Seriously; people have done comparisons between the scenes in the trailers and the same scenes in the game and proven it.
3. Look at Nintendo's website for the game: "Experience the events of the Great Calamity", "Join the struggle that brought Hyrule to its knees", "The Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity game is the only way to see firsthand 100 years ago." How is anyone supposed to interpret these lies in any way besides, "prequel"?
I could easily list more examples, but I think this should be enough. Nintendo falsely-advertised the game as a prequel, and the demo including the egg-guardian scene isn't enough to make up for everything the rest of the marketing was doing.
Possible spinoffs?
A Stealth game featuring Sheik, during the seven-year timeskip in OoT when Zelda was hiding from Ganondorf.
A Puzzle game featuring BotW Zelda about her experiments on the Guardian technology.
A Civilization-esque strategy game where you play as various Zelda nations.
A Resource-Management game featuring Beedle, where you run a store and need to meet monthly goals.
A Simcity-style city management game about Midna rebuilding the twilight realm after the events of Twilight princess.
A Rhythm game featuring various instruments and musician characters from across the series, and you play Zelda music.
But that last one kinda already happened.
Yeah, sorry about Calamity Arlo. You'll know why once you get there. It broke my heart too
Actually, I personally felt satisfied with it. It's a story that can stand on its own. It's mainly because people expected it to be the same story but in the past that it might feel disappointing when it wasn't. But I also think what we got was some of the best story Zelda has gotten in terms of executing on it. Zelda isn't exactly the best series for storytelling. They have charming characters and fun gameplay, but no one plays a Zelda game because of the story. Well except for Skyward Sword. With the way Age of Calamity is written, it makes me hopeful they can keep improving on storytelling in future Zelda titles. Especially with how they wrote Zelda in this game.
@@ShallBePurified I'm very happy for you. I wish I enjoyed it too, but I simply couldn't. You say "zelda isn't the best series for storytelling" and "no one plays a zelda game cause of the story." But, and I don't know why I torture myself like this, I do. Seeing this games story, it's MAIN selling point for me and I know so many other people, turn out to be somewhat of a lie, really hurts.
@@ShallBePurified Though like I said, I'm happy you weren't phased by it and I'll give the game it's due credit, until I realized it didn't matter, I was enjoying the story and the gameplay was solid the whole time. It's just that gameplay, as crazy as this sounds to some people, isn't always the selling point.
@@ShallBePurified Sigh... i will never get people that say "The story would've been bad, if you knew how it ended."
Again, I point to Crisis Core.
Everyone knew how it was going to end and yet it is still regarded as one of the better Final Fantasy games.
Had it been a proper prequel... Yes, we would've known how it ended.
But a story is not just the ending.
It still could've added so much more meaningful content to the events 100 years ago, just like Crisis Core did.
It's just a stupid point, to defend the misleading marketing.
@@paragonyoshi4237 Hey I've never said that. I think the execution of the story is more important than the outcome. In fact, I would've loved an actual prequel to BotW that broke my heart. And so does a lot of people, so I understand why people are disappointed that this game isn't that. But like I said, execution is more important, and I still enjoyed this story on its own merit.
My favorite game, Xenoblade 2, had an amazing prequel that we all know how it ends but it still blew me away and to this day still hits me hard. I am by no means disregarding people who would prefer that type of story, because I am one of those people too. So please don't put words into my mouth.
Spoilers for Age of Calamity:
I like how, even though they changed the timeline, you can still see where the Champions originally died and everything went bad (before the time traveling stuff). Even though the story is different than what the flashbacks in BotW showed, you can easily see what originally happened.
Yeah, even though it didnt give the sad story of defeat of the original timeline it still does give you hints of what happened, or what would've happened, originally. As a couple of examples:
The divine beasts missions where you can just easily tell how the champions died.
The 2nd Akkala tower mission, where you can also see how the fort originally fell in botw's timeline (the unrelenting force of guardians and the new 'malice guardians').
Fort Hateno, where link died in the original.
And hyrule field and castle where you can assume what Zelda basically had to went through to even fight Ganon for 100 years.
@@arandomraichu230 Yeah absolutely. It felt like they very much intentionally made those specific missions more stressful and serious to show how much was really going for Hyrule to fall in the original timeline. Especially the Hateno Fort mission which had a huge map where you had to go all over the place while at the same time protecting a single stronghold that was constantly under attack. I'm sure it wasn't just that way to make the late game more difficult, it was specifically designed to show how hopeless those battles were.
It makes me sorta sad how you realize that the original Breath of the Wild is just the sad ending alternative. In age of Calamity you just spam Y with Impa clones and incinerate Ganon instead of having a high stakes struggling against him using clubs and sticks.
Uh oh, Arlo made a video before finishing Age of Calamity.
Legend of Kass: guitar hero style game for his songs
The Legend of Kilton: a monster hunter-style Zelda game featuring Kilton the Monster Merchant!
Edit: this isn’t how it really works, but it would just be silly
We don't needle another Tingle's Rupee Hunt
But milton dosn't kill monsters, he lets link do it.
0:20 “A canon Zelda story told through a different series...”
Well, no but yes but actually no.
This is the most accurate commentary of Age of Calamity that I've seen yet.
It’s canon though. It’s just to BotW what Wind Waker/Majora’s Mask are to OoT
I am in the "yes" camp, kinda? The game tells the story of the calamity, and then after a single pivotal point, adds the non BOTW story. So im my opinion, it kinda tells both stories. First it tells the pre-BOTW story, then it tells the age of calamity story
You should watch this if you want the true experience of what happened 100 years ago th-cam.com/video/R2ZMaIJYo3M/w-d-xo.html. It was made by someone on reddit and thought its the closest story we may get with a canonical prequel to botw
Oh man he’s not gonna like the Age of Calamity ending huh
yeah.....
@@vanditrikhi9984 Basically reveals it is another timeline, as the calamity was prevented thanks to time travel
@@vanditrikhi9984 They basically just pulled an OoT once again
@@daridon2483 yeah because they cant write anything proper or sad, gotta be feel good everyone wins story!
If he’s anything like me he’s gonna HATE it
Imagine a Zelda crossover game where multiple timelines merged and you could play as different versions of Link (ocarina, twilight, botw, etc.) This could finalize the Ganon storyline with the biggest Zelda finale yet, allowing the franchise to create new and unique villains. It would also establish a single timeline that the series could move foreword with.
I love this video so much I watched it twice! I always enjoy your Zelda discussions, Arlo. Thanks for another great video!
AGE OF CALAMITY SPOILERS:
4:14 ... Oh Arlo you poor innocent soul... You have no idea
thank you for actually saying a spoiler warning
because everyone else is just saying "you should have finished age of calamity before making this video"
and that could spoil it lol
Discovered your channel recently, Arlo. You've fast become my favorite TH-cam gamer! And keep the Zelda content coming! 🤩
I've had this idea for a zelda spinoff for a while now. Basically it's a story of the sheika clan and their nefarious deeds from the royal family. The game play is a lot darker then a normal zelda game, being a stealth game similar to hitman but without the guns, where you play as impa or any other sheika assassin doing tasks like assassinating or arresting this target or stealing an artifact. At the end you would fight a smaller boss either being Vatti, Ghirahim, Zant or an entirely new villain. Probably not going to happen but I thought it would be cool.
He still doesn't know it's an alternate timeline...
Oof.
His poor soul will shatter when he finds out
i mean, technically just because its an alternate timeline doesnt mean it cant be canon. maybe the soace right before botw on the timeline can have a split where age of calamity is a good timeline and botw's universe is a downfall timeline
He probably does but won't say it because spoilers. He did point out that he doesn't know if anything from aoc will carry over to botw2
The beginning is canon.
The champions that came trough time are also from the BOTW timeline, but it depends what they will do with them remembering the timeline.
@@asher3311 Yeah, because the Zelda devs heavily oversaw Age of Calamity, and because of how the game was marketed, I do believe it is supposed to be a canon split.
Still, I feel bad for Arlo because the story will most likely not have any bearing on Breath of the Wild 2's plot. And that's one of Arlo's biggest points in this video.
One of the flash screens tells of Fractured worlds. When the egg went back in time he makes a alternate timeline.
I love the fun little creative and silly edits thrown in just for fun, like the "too bad" sound from Sunshine. Little additions like that really make videos more fun to watch and I love to see it!
I agree with you completely, Arlo. Story means /so much/. I will always be a simp for something with a good story.
Arlos back! My day is already better, thank you and have a nice day :D
Arlo, Age of Calamity is *NOT* a prequel to Breath of the Wild! Nintendo falsely advertised the game as a prequel when it isn't; it's an alternate-timeline fix-fic story about preventing the events of Breath of the Wild! It's basically an elevated fanfiction.
Arlo: "Zelda Is Telling Bigger Stories and I Am ECSTATIC" while saying he hasn't seen the end of Age of Calamity"
Viewers: "Oh, you poor, poor man"
Shhh, don't tell him
one thing that I loved in games back in the day, is that I could just pick one game and enjoy it's story from beginning to the end, even in series like zelda, even in games like majoras mask, they story are so it's own thing that it doesn't matter if you played ocarina of time or not, and that is it, no season 2, no waiting for a sequel, or a dozen to know how it will end, if it will end one day, it is just that, a fun experience and a fun story that I can experience from beginning to end, and it is not impossible to maintain the same brand but starting a new independent story (zelda does that most of time)
nowadays, we have big AAA games with stories that goes for multiple games, where there is always a need to keep it going for the sake of money, and with a guarantee that it will have an awful end, because instead of the writers just know how long the story will be, they need to keep going indefinitely, and I just can't give a damn from games that does that, it is just boring, bad and a cash grab
yes, it is cool that this time around, Botw can have a prequel that tell a history in the same hyrule, and how it will have a second go in the same world (hopefully like ocarina was in relation of majoras mask, you don't need to play ocarina to get the basic of majoras) as much it was cool that wind waker was also a trilogy, but at the same time, every game being it's own thing with good ends
I don't want to play 3 games and wait for years to have a good conclusion for my history, with writers being forced to keep adding thing to the same world even when they don't want to to sell more, resulting in to a crap end that will disappoint everyone
so I just wish that every Arlo wish related to this not realize, cause it would just ruin everything for me
I'd love a cute management sim-kinda thing about being a group of Picori helping out Hyrulians. I think that'd be real cute
Arlo: Breath of the Wild Trilogy!
Nintendo: Yes! But also no...
More like:
Arlo: Breath of the Wild Trilogy!
Nintendo: Yes! (thinks to itself: "Sucker! Another fool falls for our false-advertising, and another $70 for us. The best part is it doesn't matter; there are fans that will defend every scummy thing we do for us, and someone will do something worse within a month and get all the attention; probably CD Projekt Red with that Cyberpunk game.")
I think it would be really cool if Zelda did a sci-fi game as an experiment
Honestly I feel like that was what BOTW was supposed to be
I mean...in botw you can kill a mech tank thing with a laser sword while wearing a futuristic set of armor...
Shut the fudge up bro.
@@XaraFang the shrines and divine beasts to feel like they were very sci-fi but I feel like it was done to break up exploration to keep it from feeling monotonous but I think it would be really cool if the world you explore was sci-fi:)
I kinda had an idea for what you're talking about years ago actually: Legends of Hyrule, a series spanning different genres that tell different parts of Zelda's lore. Maybe a tactics RPG about the Triforce war where you play as a none chosen one knight form Link's bloodline?
A shooter about a Sheika Ninja fighting Demise's army using ancient tech?
Yes!
This needed pointing out brother, great VOD! I am hype as well :)
I REALLY want to forget that Age of Calamity ever existed
Same
I don't; I want to remember it so I'll be able to throw it back in Nintendo's face if they ever say, "When have we ever lied to you?" I'll be able to say, "You said Age of Calamity was a prequel to Breath of the Wild!"
Also, The Legend of Zelda has been receptive of fan feedback (if anything arguably overcorrecting at times), so if enough of us get together and our voices don't get drowned out by Nintendo apologists, we _might_ be able to pressure them into making an actual prequel.
But it’s good and a nice alternate story that expands on the characters. You’re all unreasonable.
@@juice2307 How are we unreasonable? Nintendo advertised Age of Calamity as a prequel to BOTW; we're not upset because the game failed to meet some impossible expectation; we're upset because we were lied to about what the game was going to be.
Matthew St. Cyr nah i agree with you, but im also mad that it wasnt what i expected lmao
the really intressting part that got me hooked was that the story was not only spread across multiple games but across multiple genres as well
I would love a Stardew Valley style farming sim that’s set in Hyrule. Especially if it somehow turns out to be a vital part of the canon storyline.
He probably should have finished Age of Calamity before talking about “Canon” zelda stories....
I mean it is still canon
just different timeline
@@skele8961 than its not canon to breath of the wild since those events don’t occur in, you guessed it, breath of the wild
@@floshjix02 yes not canon to breath of the wild
but I'd still say it is canon
@@juangutierrez673 yeah
because egg boi goes back in time and makes them activate lol
that's what is called a timeline split
It's a fake prequel, more of a "what if" at this point. It's a shame, Nintendo either has no faith in any other dev besides themselves or doesn't want another dev to show them up in the story department.
finish the real ocarina of time trilogy. link never found navi :(
Personally I don't want to see another OoT game. I feel like that ship has sailed and is now in realm of theories and ideas. I would like a Brand new story after breath of the Wild 2, with new and old mechanics
I personally like that he never found Navi, it's kinda thematic to the moving on theme MM was going with
@@kimaster5893 Same here. It added to the effect of his tragic backstory
So many of your views mirror my own it's hardly surprising that I look to you for inspiration in terms of how I want my first youtube video to come out. I always look forward to an Arlo update and I'm never disappointed in the quality ^_^
Here's a spinoff idea. Imagine Pikmin with Koroks instead.
Or how about a game focused entirely on guy trapped in the toilet in Majoras Mask! He'd have to fight back sewage beasts in a binding of issac type game. Checkpoints are different toilets he goes underneath, and you beg people paper.
Or maybe instead of a farming simulator with Malon, it was a horror game focusing on her attempt to survive the aliens that visit Lon Lon Ranch. If you've seen the movie Signs, imagine that on Lon Lon Ranch.
Or, how about a game focused on the Orca and Sturgeon from Wind Waker(The old man who trains link and his brother upstairs). It could be about both brothers traveling the high seas. One in search of action, the other in search of knowledge. Maybe they have a ship and begin picking up crew members that are all searching for adventure. After a grand adventure and great discovery, your crew feels fulfilled and you come across an Island that you decide to establish a village in, and you call it Outset Island. The crew members you had collected included Links grandmother, and everyone on the island is descendants of that crew.
Or, what about a horror/adventure game surrounding the happy mask salesmen. It could be about his travels and his eventual finding of Majora's Mask?
What about a Legend of Zelda Story game, with Paper Mario aesthetics, but more in line with thr first two Paper Mario games combat and rpg system. Maybe make it even more rpg focused. Have Link collect allies to help him defeat Vaati? Have combat be turn based with an audience like TTYD, and have Link make friends with certain individuals that will watch your battles and help you every so often as well.
“I don’t like to fly by the seat of my pants”
Arlo wears pants?
STEVEN M ASKING THE REAL QUESTIONS
seriously though? surprised no one else mentioned that. now that you pointed that out it's really quite strange and funny to me...
Age of Calamity definitely shows that there are things Nintendo just won't do or show in a story, despite the fact that it makes all the sense in the world. They clearly don't have the creative balls of say, Monolith Soft, who delivered the kind of epic, tragic prequel story people hoped Age of Calamity would be back in 2018, with the Torna: The Golden Country prequel to Xenoblade 2.
Though apparently they do understand how marketable an epic, tragic prequel would be, since that's what they falsely-advertised Age of Calamity as being.
Trilogy idea:
1. Tingle's Story
2. The Rise of Tingle
3. Tingle's Return
Age of Calamiry is a timeline split. It's not actually a prequel from the moment the Link meets the egg-guardian onwards. Events completely shift in that moment when he meets it and the Shieka Towers rise out of the ground. They're similar, but different. This game essentially starts at a timeline split moment the same as when Link went back to the past in Ocarina of Time and warns Zelda about Ganondorf. They just decided to start this game with the timeline change instead of ending it with it
“breath of the wild trilogy”
so......whose gonna tell him
how about no one
and you delete your comment because this tells him that it isn't a trilogy
What could've been :(
If Back to the Future II is the second movie in a trilogy then Age of Calamity is too.
And technically they did the same thing in Back to the Future I as well.
@@DuelScreen true
only thing that is different is we will still explore the original timeline with botw
If we do get more zelda spin offs I hope we get tingle cooking games
Yes!
Zelda spin-off idea: A pirates sim with Tetra & Co before Windwaker sailing around the Great Sea area (possibly expanding its borders or just being somewhere entirely new).
It would be the proper pirate game Arlo’s always wanted, where you have islands and towns to explore, other ships to battle, a vast ocean to navigate, storms to overcome, everything is upgradable, etc.
I don’t mind the idea of Zelda having a more consistent story across titles, but I do think that creating a defined structure and development timeline around games like Zelda runs the risk of turning them into soulless corporate products. If you don’t let the devs create new concepts on their own timeline, you might end up missing out on a few truly great games for a greater number of by-the-books games. I feel like the freedom Nintendo devs are given is the reason their games are so unique, and so if the Zelda team is constantly worrying about deadlines for the next Zelda game, we might lose what makes those games special. I dunno, maybe I’m reading too far into it, but I’m always wary of putting more constraints on development cycles.
tl;dr I don’t want Zelda to start feeling like a corporate franchise over a creative one
We still need the sequel of Majora's Mask.
How about getting majoras mask on switch first
I would say majora's mask sequel is twilight princess in that we already know the fate of the hero of time in that game. I would much rather prefer a twilight princess sequel
@@firesnakex8 Ok but how did he end up like this?
Majora's Mask, as great as it is, is merely an interruption in Link's quest. He wanted to find Navi and, at the end of the game, he go back to the Lost Woods in a hope to find her.
I'm pretty sure you can make a great game out of this, to see how his quest turned out and how he finished as he is in Twilight Princess.
Gameplay wise as a spiritual successor- hell yes.
An actual connected sequel- that would be awful and wouldn’t make any sense.
Also for all the timeline people out there- I’m sorry to say the time time doesn’t actually exists. These stories are Legends. Nintendo made one purely for fan service
It would be cool if we had a game where we controlled two different Links in two different time periods. So like, a Twilight Princess sequel where you play as the Hero of Twilight, that also allowed you to play as the Hero of Time post-Majora's Mask during story flashbacks, would be pretty interesting imo.
But that's only if Nintendo wants to revisit prior events in the timeline and focus on lore stuff, rather than simply continue onwards from Breath of the Wild. Which unfortunately, I don't think they do.
Uh oh it seem arlo doesn’t know how age of calamity is going to go.
so don't comment this on his videos lol
yeah because they cant write anything proper or sad, gotta be feel good everyone wins story!
@@awildmoose6541 Why do you copy-paste this comment under every comment mentioning AoC?
@@crocodileman94 ^^^^^^^
@@awildmoose6541 honestly I liked the story
i'm planning a zelda D&D campaign in which koume and kotake are trying to revive the ganondorf of TP and the players will have to gather six sages to make sure he stays sealed! however, they're going to run into some problems (the forest sage is a kokiri who ends up turning into a skull kid, the spirit sage is the centennial male gerudo who is also this timeline's version of onox from OoS and may try to follow ganondorf's footsteps, the shadow sage is part of an anti-hyrule splinter group of sheikah that may eventually become the yiga, etc) so they're going to have to travel to lorule and find the lorulean sages to fill the places of any hyrule sages that can't or won't perform their sagely duties! i'm trying to work in stuff from a bunch of other games too. valoo from WW shows up to protect the rito, veran from OoA is midna's successor as queen of the twili, prince ralis from TP is still king of the zora, even the king of hyrule is named harkinian to reference the CD-i games. i'm having a lot of fun building my own instance of hyrule!
Goddamnit I had a tingle fanfic in the works too arlo
I smell the Breath of the Wild, smells like a missile
oh wait that's just me
I saw you on chippyscouch
Didn’t know you watched Arlo, Kim!
Ok guys, serious talk - Brutal, DOOM-like FPS with Linkle as the main character. I'd pay some serious $$$ for that
Love the videos Arlo. Keep up the good work my fuzzy little blue friend.
I had an idea for a LoZ What If game, back in high school. I am under zero impression that this game will ever happen, but Arlo asked for our ideas, so here you go.
The game takes place several thousand years after any other LoZ events, and is set in a Hyrule that has been enjoying peace for many generations. Zelda, Link and Ganondorf are all childhood friends, as with Zelda and the big G being royalty, they would have met during diplomatic events, and Link was taken in by the Royal family after his parents died in an accident. However, when they are teenagers, Link discovers a Time/Memory Crystal or something, which reviels to him the truth about the endless cycle that Hyrule has been cursed to repeat. Not wanting that to happen again, and certainly not wanting to be forced to kill one of his best friends, Link sets out on a quest to break the curse and end the loop. When Zelda and Ganondorf discover that Link's vanished, they set out on a quest of their own in order to find him and bring him home.
You play two versions of events, one following Link and the other following Zelda and Ganondorf. As Link you travel to various locations throughout Hyrule that are both new and call back to preavious games. You're goal is to find clues as to how the curse could be broken, leading up to entering a massive temple build in worship of Demise. Meanwhile, as Zelda and Ganondorf, you follow in Link's wake, trying to catch up to him. You go through the same locations, however all of the puzzles are different and you see areas that Link didn't, as a result of Link's actions.
This all colminates in Zelda and Ganondorf catching up to Link at the Temple of Demise, having, at this point figured out what Link is trying to do. However, Zelda and Ganondorf have more information and know that what Link is trying to do won't work that way he wants. Link doesn't listen, and activates a force field or something that prevents them from entering the chamber and performs a ritual that draws all of Demise's hate and 'malice' into him. Unfortunatly, instead of it sending him into a coma or something like he thought, it instead turns him into the new vessal of Demise. The game ends with Zelda and Ganondorf needing to seal him within the temple.
I imagines this as the first of a trilogy. The first being how Link ended up like that, the second being Zelda and Ganondorf searching for a way to save him and the third being them actually saving him. However, I realise that this would likely have to be the last Zelda game ever, and we all know that that's never happening.
Arlo: I want you to brainstorm Zelda spinoffs
Me: Easy Tingle Rub-
Arlo: no tingle stories
I would LOVE to see a Malon farming/ranching sim
"I don't know if you've noticed this, but people tend to love stories."
It feels like they did indeed notice and are incredibly resentful of that fact.
Indeed; they promised us a direct prequel and instead gave us a generic and fanservice-ridden alternate timeline, though that might've been more Koei Tecmo's doing.
I Always love your old videos and new videos
I wonder how disappointed he'll be on the connected story bit
Well I mean, you still GET that story. Things don’t really change until Chapter 5, after the Downfall actually happened. The Champions were literally about to die like in the original timeline. Just remove what Terrako does after the calamity began and you’re pretty much on par with the story of BotW
I actually think that making it an alternate timeline was brilliant. It allowed us to see the characters and world of BOTW pre-Calamity, and to participate in several major events, but allowed us to experience suspense and plot twists because we didn’t know the ending. I also think it would have been frustrating to play a bunch of battles where we’re killed as soon as we win. It wouldn’t be surprising or impactful because we would already know the outcome, and it would be a bit deflating.
@@chillswany Can you give me a source for that information? BotW itself was never that specific as far as I can remember. And do you have any idea how RIDICULOUS the very idea of a 12 year old being able to pull the Master Sword out of the Pedestal when not even adult Link can do it without clearing a MINIMUM of 24 shrines (and an extra 4 shrines for each Blight he hasn't beaten) actually sounds? Not to mention the very idea of a little kid being able to WIELD the sword to begin with. Remember how in OoT, it was literally too big for him to use so he had to be put to sleep for 7 years? You'll have to forgive me if I find that pill a little difficult to swallow.
@@chillswany That’s not correct. The game is canon.
@@SpiceWeazel You can still get suspense from knowing the ending; in fact, prequels actually have more suspense than regular stories because the audience knows how it ends, making the movement of each piece carry far more weight than it normally would.
Nintendo and Koei Tecmo missed a golden opportunity by not at least having an original-timeline campaign.
"Am I getting my Hopes up so high that Nintendo can't possibly satisfy me no matter what they do?"
Well they've already disappointed you before this video even came out so I'd say yes.
He said he likes the ending in the pinned comment
I've had this idea for a Zelda game for a while now that takes place several years after Spirit Tracks. It starts out in New Hyrule and Princess Zelda and the Royal Family has learned that the great sea near their lands suddenly dried up over night, revealing a lost and forgotten kingdom beneath the oceans. So she and a royal guard named Link/Linkle (the player gets to decide) travel down to investigate. The game would have two-player functionality, a steampunk theme, and a lot more. You travel through old Hyrule, going into many of the old dungeons which are now completely different due to the countless years of neglect and ocean decay to try and learn about the forgotten history of Hyrule, awaking ancient magics along the way. The lore idea is that over time as people stopped worshipping the goddesses, the Triforce would lose it's power, thus the power of the goddesses that created the great sea up would fail causing the sea to disappear. Also Demise's curse would reincarnate as some kind of eldritch horror because we honestly don't need another Ganondorf like c'mon Nintendo, I need more villain variety! Also I'm bringing back Fairy companions. One that you can customize like in Hyrule Warriors Definitive Edition, and has more abilities other than locking on to enemies. Maybe she can use magic attacks or heal you or find items/rupees for you.
Love your work man have fun out there.
poor Arlo is really going to wish he finished the game before uploading this.
especially because people are keep commenting saying stuff like this
which kinda spoiled it without saying what happened
how far are you in the game? I beat it resently, and I am exited to see what you think!
Darn, I was just going to mention that Nintendo should acknowledge the Tingle games' existence
If it wasn't for Jeff the Space Hamster I would have never known they were even a thing that existed.
Something worth noting is that Link never returned the Master Sword to its pedestal in both Breath of the Wild AND in Age of Calamity. I'm guessing that Age of Calamity might assess the issue of Ganondorf's rotting corpse through DLC and maybe BotW2 will have some sort of save file integration with AoC for bonus items and/or dialogue. After all, Age of Calamity is an alternate timeline and not a replacement and I'm super excited to see where BotW2 takes its story beats. I'm hoping it's a massive Hyrule restoration plot while also protecting the kingdom from an even worse evil than it had already previously endured. Like, I really wished I could've explored some of the places seen in Age of Calamity in the same way you traversed through Hyrule in Breath of the Wild; more villages, Castle Town, Hyrule Castle itself.
Some other (semi-spoiler) things I've noticed from playing Age of Calamity is that Zelda never seemed to have accrued feelings for Link as interpreted from Breath of the Wild. Past events depicted in BotW kinda conveyed that Link and Zelda spent a lot more time isolated together whereas AoC seemed to depict that Zelda was escorted by the company of Link, Impa, and the egg-shaped Guardian. Another weird detail I noticed in AoC is that neither Link nor Zelda are seen riding horses. And there are still some underlying mysteries such as if characters like Astor or Sooga existed in BotW's Hyrule.
Me: Oh boy we are getting a prequel to the Breath of the Wild story!
Age of Calamity: Yeah about that...
I'm so sorry arlo
I don't care about your rules Arlo, I want a gritty flight game with dogfighting centered around Tingle and there's nothing you can do about it.
Yes a new video! That means some pure joy!
love you arlo. really wish you'd finished age of calamity before making this
Thank you for introducing me to Tally Hall
yes, Arlo. I am with you on this. Thank you for making your content.
I would love to see Arlo do a vid on all the theories about the sequel and the hidden lore about the Zonai and stuff. There are so many out there, I would love to hear his opinion on some of them
So this let's us save Marin from being trapped forever as a seagull ?
I was about to type my idea for a Tingle game but no joke right as I was going to click send the video ended and Arlo told me not to 😂