HOW TO INSTALL A SHOWER TRAY - Plumbing Tips
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- A quick look at the installation of a shower tray and the associated waste. We show you how to check floor level, shower level, cut holes for the trap and waste, how to level and glue the shower down. Not a really in depth video but enough for you guys to get a good idea about how to do it. Any questions, just comment below!
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I'm in a caravan and want rid of the tray and door to make it a walk in wet room. I have the ceramic tiles so where do I go from here? You wanna come over and do it for me? Lol. Fab vids.
Hold tight no classi seal
Great video all the same
On silicone 😳 timbers move over the seasons that tray will crack. Should be on cement bed like the other comment says. Glad your not fitting my tray 😜
Silicone is flexible it will move. Plus if it moves with tile adhesive it will also crack. Odds is the difference
What do you do if the floor is way off level and walls are not square?
noelleonsaoirse set it down in mortor or bonding coat and you get it spot on level.I allways do this
Ideally square the wall or pack out the wall with feathers.
Good job you beat the electricians on that job. They would have left wiring everywhere not to mention butchering that joist!!!
Easy when you have access from the lower room...
Not being funny but pretty much everything you've done is wrong...green plasterboard 😳 silicolne to bed tray done 😳 straight on to chipboard 😳🤯
Just round the corner Jill. Still totally fine! Which reminds me I’ve still got to service their boiler! Hope you have a lovely Crimbo.
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As a new plumber in the uk, can honestly say, dude your vids have been invaluable. Dude, do a skill-share-vid if you havent already. Your stuff is is on point and you've got the presentation skills 100%. I cant thank you enough for taking the time to making these sort of vids, Thank you, truly, thank you.
Good video pal. Reckon your better off cementing the tray down though.
full on cowboy.
How not to install a tray:
Building regs state that any shower tray on timber floor should be set onto 18mm ply which spans the entire length and width of the tray
99% of stone resin trays should be installed onto a weak sand and cement mix. You’re not trying to stick the tray you are trying to bed it evenly. If that tray ever cracks for any reason then it has been installed against MI and you are liable for the cost
Plasterboard (green or not) is piss poor for a shower wall. Should be tile board and tanked. No use saying it might be tanked after as you should tank the alcove and then seal the tray in to it
I know you replied years back, but you are spot on. I'm not sure how this video is still up. I've had to strip out and redo properly loads of showers done in plasterboard MR or not.
Beats me why anyone would run water pipes through joists like this. Cheap and cheerful, easy to do before the floorboards go down, but a nightmare to maintain afterwards. Either run pipes parallel to the joists or if that's just not possible, box it in above or below floor level. If your house is modern, best not to look - it will be a cheapo nightmare anyway sadly. Maximise profit by keeping costs low and let the customer pick up the bill when it goes wrong.
I prefer knauf aquapanel rather than plasterboard. On the walls 12 mm and also on the floor 6 mm. I am surprised you did not have to bed on sand and cement. What did the tray maker say to do? Also I use a tape upstand on the tray periphery.
At last someone who knows how to fit a shower tray
Hi shower tray should be put down with weeak sand cement mix so it can be levelled, or flex rapid set adhesive
On a screed floor sand cement mix not on weyrock flooring it will dry out
Sticks like shit turbo is the answer
One does not always have the luxury of not always having the ceiling fitted yet. I have fitted trays where one has to fit the trap first to the pipe , then stick and lower tray to floor and thread in the top part of the shower trap!
Mate, I'll get a job like this, they come round every few weeks!
All of my tray installations are like that.
Flexi waste connectors are a Godsend!
'Sometimes it's just the only way', very well summed up at the end there and great video, thank you!
gruise disgusting sewer connected shower tray 16 high water flash toilet.etc go green no liquid squat compost toilet
That background music volume is obliterating... Sound off and subtitles on.
Hi mate can I lay and fix my shower tray to Hardie backer board? Or shall I but the Hardie backer boards up to the shower tray? Cheers
Great vids mate helped me loads
I thought regs dictate that all joist hole drilling has to be in the dead centre of the joist, with longer waste runs that won't be the case?
Is there a second part to this vid showing sealing / finishing etc ?
My son likes your videos after watching This Woodwork, Matthias Wandel and Espares.
And ct1 to stick a tray down! Criminal voided warranty in an instant!
Still visit that house to service the boiler. All totally fine!
By the way guys, the plasterboard is pre-treated waterproof Knauf.....that doesn't mean to say we are't going to be backing it to proof further and seal later in a video. I hope you enjoy!
Waterproof?
Great video. Just one thing 90% of shower trays bought in the UK require a sand and cement base. The CT1 you use can flex if the middle of the tray is not flat on the floor (not your fault if it's not flat, just the way the tray is made) and the tray could crack. People read the instructions for your type of tray before you install it. If the tray cracks and is not installed as per the instructions you will not be covered under the guarantee.
I was literally just thinking the same. Ive never seen a tray fitted without a sand and cement mix and never ever with just glue?
@@jamieavis1591 ye no a lot of trays get layed with just silicone u just dont see it lol
I thought that as well, it only needs the floor to be 1mm out over that lenth of tray and it would be a bugger to tile, a sand and cement base would have easily solved that for less than £3.00 worth of materials. Another little tip.. I would have taken the plastic film off around the edge before the lay, so that it can be sealed, that film is a pest to get out between the wall and the tray after its down. other than that, a helpful video for a novice.
Had to reinstall a tray this week as it was moving and the seal between tray and tile had split. Took the tray out telling the customer it was a problem with the floor only to find it was fitted on silicone.
Bit of a coincidence the camera was off when it was time to somehow thread a 40mm waste pipe that doesn’t bend very much through those joists, “impossible task” I’m guessing there was lots of short pieces of pipe and lots of pipe unions making up that length 🤦♂️
Indeed. I’ve not found another way to do it yet. Should invent smooth bendy waste pipe!
Thanks for taking us along, always very enjoyable and interesting!
No worries!
Maximum whole diameter is a 1/4 of the joist depth and holes must be drilled to the center line of the joist that waste starts very high
WR plaster board? No tanking ? No taped seams and fixing points? No flexible bonded tray seal under tiles?
That’s what I thought, isn’t plasterboard a no no nowadays and you have to use backer board for regs.
Great video and always very easy to follow,would love to see how you go about fitting a tray onto a solid floor
bro, i love your channel, i'm a youtuber and plumber myself, id love to be able to do both one day if i have my own business, great channel man!
Cheers dude!
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mate I am literally in bed with a cup of tea...psychic!
Ha!
Great video, but regarding the holes in the joists, don't building regs say they have to be 1/4 joist size drilled at the center line? Understandably, as you mentioned, have given a fall, but how did you get around the building regs specs for the center line? Also, how did the chippies reinforce the notch for the waste trap? (BR specs say this has to be 1/8th joist depth)
I guess sometimes you have to balance what building regs say (and why certain figures are....to put it honestly....dreamt up!) and the reality of the situation. If BR's where conformed to in their absolute strictness... nothing would ever get built! Saying that, I always get BCntrl round and explain why I've done certain things and they're always happy with it.
Reminds me of my OFTEC audit when they said 99% of tanks where non-compliant and to ignore the regs on them!
I thought the same. 1/8th of joist was max you can remove? That’s not a 12” joist??
@@plumberparts This is what worries me the most. I've got to run a 40mm pipe through 4 joists. Although it's within the tolerance of hole size, I'll need to maintain a fall towards the stack. I told the customer it will be fine, but I'm crapping myself a bit now after already finding that very same reference diagram you flashed up mid-video.
I feel I want to keep them all centered (and will have to piece together with couplings as you did), but really need that fall, and don't want to create bounce to the floor I need to tile!
That's why I came on here, then I saw you do exactly what I was worried about doing... But I'm not sure if it's made me feel better about it or not! 😬
That waste pipe should have been dropped just under the joists and run along.After all boarded would be a little box - so no compromising regs and good enough of a look for a utility room.
@@eugeneeugene8252 I would never do this, it looks horrendous. There's a reason we build houses with more than one joist 😅
Could you show us some first fixing measurements of appliances how high and where they need to be placed. and great videos by the way
Please do more singing. You should go on Britain's Got Talent. You would win it.
The video gets to the point at 2:20
CT1 directly onto floorboard. 😳
Has anyone ever experienced fitting a shallow shower tray where the water does not disapate very quickly and builds up and floods the room. Is there a certain amount of pipe length and run of that is needed for these trays? I fitted one in Spain which was a total nightmare. The pipework is 1.1/2 diameter that flows into 1/2 inch stump. Your asking of 5 litres of water to be pushed through a small diameter. Any suggestions
no clasi seal used lol
Hi thanks for this. Quick question. I see you havent put anything under the tray. Asking because I want to take a bath out and put a shower tray in same place. Underneath the bath its on boards like yours, so do i need to seal that floor with anything? Also can I use same hole and pipes that bath used for shower? So do I just buy the tray, that glue, shower seal ring and trap? We are looking to do it ourselves thas why Im asking?
James, did you ever post part 2 to this video ?
8.41....the little tool. I need one. Do they have a name and where can I find one please. Thank you in advance.
a 3" bolster fits perfectly I've found. perfect for job.
hi can you lean me plumbing I would come and work free you
You look like the sniper on American sniper, love your videos btw, so useful.
Thanks for your excellent video.
Is the flooring tiles then stuck down after the shower tray is fitted so that the shower tray profile is shallower in relation to the floor height?
Many thanks Chris.
Yep you won't see tiles laid under the tray and be a waste of money ;)
What kind of pipe is th grey pipe? Looks like a crimp type I've seen around in commercial buildings?
Buteline mate....doing a vid on it in a week I think!
Extremely helpful video again mate!! Bravo 👏🏼
Cheers man!
really enjoyed his video... we have a clear vision know... thank you
The joy of having teenage son's. little (b word) trolling with my phone.
I wish someone would come up with a video in a real situation not a set up situation in a new build or a studio where everything is perfect go to a 80 year old house were this pipes and cables and joists in the way and walls that are 30cm out plumb then that really shows how hard it is to fit a shower😂
That was a complete hash of work it will leak first time its used no clsssi seal around the tray.
I live 2 doors down. To this days it has never leaked after daily use. So no. You’re wrong sweetie.
Thanks James, after watching this many times it gave me the confidence to do mine. I’m not a professional plumber by trader but feel more than a have a go one. Please with my efforts thanks for showing a video like this
How he get the pipe in there 😂😂
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Fantastic plumbing explanation! Will you be doing more videos like this soon?
Where is the Water Proofing under and around the tray? Never ever put down tray without water proofing. if you are a good plumber, you would do this....
Great video James 🔧🔧
Cheers mate!
Ct1 if fine if your floor is compleatley level each way otherwise i use fast set tile adhisive or normal set but make sure its a flexible adhisive
Why are you not using Classi Seal around the shower tray. I would NEVER fit a shower tray without the added protection of Classi Seal
Robert the plumbe
Obviously there be a joist there just look at the screws. Joists have to be where they are, plumbers never under stand theses things hence why they hack them up for pipes lol
Could you do one where the shower tray is installed in place of a bath, obviously different issues with connecting the trap and waste I presume, probably necessitating a riser of some sorts? You are more than welcome to come and do mine for me and video the process :-)
Easy when its a new build, much more difficult to repalce an existing one!
Hi James used ur vids for years,I've cemented the tray onto the wood flooring so I would need to put drain thru tray and floor then sandwich the two together ! Do u think that way would give me a good seal ? Thanks s
Might seem boring to some this video, but it's really helped me on my first every bathroom installment (not even close to DIY savvy)
Urgent help needed please - what do you do if the floor isn't quite level when using CT1. Is there anyway to level out the shower tray?
Ok this video is about how to install a shower siphon instead of the tray... i would wanted to see what material can i use to fix the tray on the ground
Why don't you use plumbers putty above and the seal below instead of the silicone easy for future repair
Confused - you've used super strong adhesive to stick the tray down and then you suggest to check that the water has the right flow? - bit late if it doesn't!
I don't get the drop measurement? Is the first joist down 5mm then the second is down 10 mm then the 3rd joist down 15mm or is it just simply each joist is dropped down 5 mm with respect to the first?
hi wat is the past type stuff you put on the plastic wast pipe before you pushed it into a connector? thx mark..great vid..
Just a tip, if you need larger hole, use one of the diamond core drills you've got, tgey go through wood to.
James Ive got this issue with loft on-suite. Due to confined space you get with lofts the joist are 150mm with a 2 metre span. I need to go through 3 joists and a trimmer at 16" centres to reach the stack. The shower tray is low to the floor with a Wirquin slim extra flat low profile trap. I am trying achieve a fall but with building regs 1 1/2 (40mm) waste is exceding the max a 37.5mm. Can I use 32mm instead to get through the joist and then go up to 40mm to connect to the stack. Also reinforce around holes.
Steve the spark.
sorry don't know what you mean..
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Hi james, what is your thoughts on fitting shower trays with upstands?, Are they better in providing a water tight seal or not?. Thanks Steve
Wouldn't be complete without a builders crack at 10.13
Window sucker definitely a must just got one will buy another soon 👍
Quick question, do you use ct1 for sealing the tray to the tiles too? Instead of a regular silicone sealant? Thanks and great channel! 👍
Thanks for the great video. Where do i buy the red trap tightener that you used(UK)
Hi, Can you advise how to replace a shower tray waste in situ in a ground floor flat with a concrete floor? Particularly if it was siliconed in by the installer.
Hi anyone know what the name is of the green boards used to board out the shower and are damp resistant.
Does the ceiling belowhave to come down to fit a low profile tray ?
very posh camera you got, but please tell me what about water trap,. smell etc. Tell me please where to put water trap?
Hi, I like your channel subscribed to get more content.I'm looking to install a 1600 x 800 shower tray. Do you recommend any , or are they any I should stay well clear of.
does anyone know what make of shower tray that is..ie...the manufacturer
Silicon will come off if trap ever leaks. CT1 not so sure.
Ha!
Reacts with the rubber.
Loving the camera upgrades lately! 4k like a champ!
Also, I wish we had all those cheap, easy and high quality stuff like you do in the UK.
It's so hard to do anything here in New Zealand. We have one store who sells a simple pressure gauge! And it's $120 (New Zealand Dollar equals
64.07 British Pound).
hold tight it's Bradley Cooper 😀
Ha! Great!
Thanks for the video, I'm installing a bathroom myself but I don't see where the "vent" fits into this system? Is the soil stack the only vent? When is a separate vent for each P bend necessary?
Missed you threading the pipe through the joists
Can i drop a sink wast into a shower wast pipe runing in the same direction.
Is this guy related to criag from bo selecta? Lol
well done bro, veri motivate me to upgrade my bathroom, thx
pointless video. What about the edge seal?
love these vids could literally watch em all day and they actually motivate me for work on Monday
Ha! Cheers Stuart!
No classi seal?
I've seen some vids were they use a upstand product stuck all around the shower tray touching the wall or a shower tray with upstand built in, do you use these at all, are they any good ?
dalessandrelli I'm VERY surprises he not using an up stand weather it the classic seal or the up stand build into the tray.I wouldn't put a tray in with out an upstand .its total peace of mind to be leak free around the edge. 95% of the time that's where the tray will leak with out an up stand especially up stairs on stud work walls
Wait for the video on sealing.....you'll love it!
Is this guy related to criag from bo selecta lol
Hi James thanks for the great videos. Just one question if you don't mind for my DIY project. Is it ok to have the waste pipe going through so close to the top of the joists rather than in the middle? Thanks and keep up the good work.
Makes no difference but always check with building control!
@@plumberparts It makes a huge difference. You shouldn’t give advice like that if you don’t actually know.
@@stepbackandthinkmakes no difference
@@mountainleopard5370 See above about posting when you know nothing.
@@stepbackandthink see my above comment