I think that is utter nonsense. The NA had seven pulls and each time right in its same track for 90% of the pull. The turbo didn’t get into the track until at least half way up and made it in less than half the pulls. Granted the track gets set up better each time but if you think the difference between an NA and a turbo is track poaching, I have to strongly disagree. I just went turbo this year and there is no comparison. 2023 turbo Carries 180 hp to 8,000 feet. At that altitude I believe the NA has 125 hp. No comparison.
Not a real comparison. I just got a chance to ride my sled and buddies new turbo. I was running the same track to try and get over the top. The turbo had a nice edge on track speed.
Thats not a pull I'd poaching most all way up and goin out of the poach track to continue, that naturally give 2nd 3rd etc run more momentum. Not a legit test..
Eh, open area doesn't help with avalanches but just because its open doesn't mean its avalanche-prone... if you know an area well enough you know whats avalanche prone and what isn't... I wouldn't call this a sketchy spot compared to some of the shit I've ridden
Its because they have it in their heads that a turbo sled is way better when all it is, is a keep up with the next guy and who can say they have the next greatest sled when in reality years back we were riding and doing the same things with older sleds and shorter tracks
Yeah that’s why there’s all those old videos out there of people doing bow ties, hop overs, and technical boondocking. “bEcAusE wE diD tHe saMe tHinGS.”
@@kjmahanna5138 yep. Just got my turbo sled last week and got to try it out this weekend for the first time. Coming from 2 gen 4 summit which were awesome, along with the gen 3 I had before that. I didn’t think I was good enough at the time to warrant more power, so I progressed my skills to the point where I hit a plateau and now, finally, after about a decade of riding modern sleds in the back country, found myself craving more power because the altitude inhibited my abilities. The new turbo sled is worlds better than the old sled; I can perform techniques that were very difficult before at high altitude, and with the shorter tunnel it aids in maneuvering as well. People like Kevin are delusional if they think they can access the same terrain I do with even an NA sled.
I’m not gonna say it’s all rider but looking at hill angle to the trees it’s not steep and I’ve climbed some pretty steep hills in deep powder with my 163 3” 850 non turbo
I usually can't stand the music people use in these videos but you nailed it.
If u track poached the non turbo as much as u did w the turbo I think it would have made it to the top too
100%
I know the feeling bro.... just sell it n get the turbo
I think that is utter nonsense. The NA had seven pulls and each time right in its same track for 90% of the pull. The turbo didn’t get into the track until at least half way up and made it in less than half the pulls. Granted the track gets set up better each time but if you think the difference between an NA and a turbo is track poaching, I have to strongly disagree. I just went turbo this year and there is no comparison. 2023 turbo Carries 180 hp to 8,000 feet. At that altitude I believe the NA has 125 hp. No comparison.
Wish you did a side by side fresh line with each sled
You got to cut a new track everytime
Yeah, I was not filming for a comparison, just trying to get to the top. Then my buddy said..."Wanna ride my turbo?" What would you do?
exactly, I could ride my old 90's RMK up those tracks lol
Dude that was sick. Would spend all day there messing around on that pull.. was your limiter short for that. It helps
Limiter strap was in stock possition on both sleds.
@@cheynedetwiler so she climbs
Nice 👍 keep it up!!
Why all the poaching tracks?
Dude, your pouching tracks most the way up.
Yeah, I thought this would be real comparison too 😅
Not a real comparison. I just got a chance to ride my sled and buddies new turbo. I was running the same track to try and get over the top. The turbo had a nice edge on track speed.
@@cheynedetwiler Ohhhhhhh, Soy Boy Bend click bait. I get it.
Ya no shit...you call that a comparison????!!!!! F...
Thats not a pull I'd poaching most all way up and goin out of the poach track to continue, that naturally give 2nd 3rd etc run more momentum.
Not a legit test..
those climbs are sketchy due to the open area, possibilities of avalanches are pretty good there take the precautions
Eh, open area doesn't help with avalanches but just because its open doesn't mean its avalanche-prone... if you know an area well enough you know whats avalanche prone and what isn't... I wouldn't call this a sketchy spot compared to some of the shit I've ridden
Oh sorry I got a problem with this your porchen track the whole time how can you call this hi Marking and when your porchen track!
Sorry RR. I was just trying to get over the top and riding two different sleds. I'm not a qualified reviewer of OEM sleds.
:poaching"
@@Rotaris1 that's what auto correct does when you talk instead of typing but I never said I could spell lol
Next time cut the music so we can hear the symphony of that rotax engine.
As soon as I have a turbo, no more music.
Where was this?
Oregon
Its because they have it in their heads that a turbo sled is way better when all it is, is a keep up with the next guy and who can say they have the next greatest sled when in reality years back we were riding and doing the same things with older sleds and shorter tracks
Yeah that’s why there’s all those old videos out there of people doing bow ties, hop overs, and technical boondocking. “bEcAusE wE diD tHe saMe tHinGS.”
@@downbytheriver501 no kidding lol. Most of modern riding is physically impossible on these “older sleds with shorter tracks”
@@kjmahanna5138 yep. Just got my turbo sled last week and got to try it out this weekend for the first time. Coming from 2 gen 4 summit which were awesome, along with the gen 3 I had before that. I didn’t think I was good enough at the time to warrant more power, so I progressed my skills to the point where I hit a plateau and now, finally, after about a decade of riding modern sleds in the back country, found myself craving more power because the altitude inhibited my abilities. The new turbo sled is worlds better than the old sled; I can perform techniques that were very difficult before at high altitude, and with the shorter tunnel it aids in maneuvering as well. People like Kevin are delusional if they think they can access the same terrain I do with even an NA sled.
I dont know about doing the same things but I was having just as much fun. Maybe more. Loved my 151. Might be time to go back to a 154.
Needs all motor no music.
Sorry about the music. There is hardly anything out there. New turbo sounds coming soon.
Poaching tracks don't count
Bad rider both sleds should’ve pulled that hill easily
Thanks Bro!
@black bear no I’m not a 165 3 inch should have no problem pulling that hil
@@rykercarlson2131 It always looks easier on camera!
@@outfitr9703 I know but still even on camera there’s becomes a point where it’s just down to the rider
I’m not gonna say it’s all rider but looking at hill angle to the trees it’s not steep and I’ve climbed some pretty steep hills in deep powder with my 163 3” 850 non turbo
This is dumb. Had a perfect chance for a comparison instead you rob tracks from the past 7 pulls