@@DaveNorona eh we’re actually have a bad season, we hardly have any snow. All the storms have gone right around us. Been a month since we had any accumulation 👎
Thanks Pat, I’ve been riding a X for about 5 years now and I’m ready for a new spring check. I’m +50 and focused on ringing in the POW, fun rides with as little effort as possible so I can ride multiple days. I was ordering a Expert non turbo (due tot he $4K adder) for $21K + tax but after watching your video I’m now thinking Summit X which I know and love and add the turbo for $22K + tax. Again I really like at X but was taking Expert because it’s top of the line, I’m liking the T motion and flex edge track because it’s likely easier for me to get on it’s side and easier to ride….not sure I want to give this up…. make sense?
Hi Dan! Now that so many of the features that made the Expert 'better' when it first came out are now also on the Summit X, it's really more a matter of handling preference and how much effort you want to put into it. For next year the '24 Summit X also has the adjustable brake lever, quick adjust limiter strap and lower riser coming over from the Expert, so like Dave says, one is not really 'better' than the other anymore. Sounds like the X is the ticket for you. And don't forget that you're going to experience a BIG handling improvement going from Gen4 to Gen5 also! More fun, less effort. As for the turbo decision! The power delivery is super smooth, so don't worry about it won't wearing you out. It's just like an 850, just more jam when you want it. If you can get a turbo Summit X for just $1K more than an na Expert, that would 100% be our recommendation for you and you'll have the time of your life next winter! Thanks for watching!
"The deep snow Gen5 sleds use a lighter 3.0″ lugged track called PowderMax X-Light with FlexEdge. The new X-Light track features full-width outside lugs that now extend all the way to the edge of the track." sleddermag.com/2023-ski-doo-snowmobiles/
Is it me or has skidoo kinda lost the marketing on the freeride. Its marketed as the big impact big jumper, but put all the weak parts on it. T motion keeps ripping apart and the last time ripped my track in 2 all the way around.
Maybe heres a better question, whats the out of the box sled for deep snow, only get out west for 5 days a year. 2.5 146 good suspension with a narrow a arms
Hey Dave Narona. I guess my comment aged well. Good shocks t motion delete. 15" track . Now I don't have to spend 3k over the price of my summit with freeride decals on it. Happy skidoo is still listening to the people
@@freddockins9470 you must not be a sledder! Cause in the mountains horsepower has everything to do with whether or not you have a fun day or not. Try going up the mountains with an 80 hp sled then get back to me. How do I know because I did it!!!
Dave is a great rider and ambassador, he works hard and he loves sharing his passion for snowmobiling! What more can you ask. Ski-Doo does also have plenty of younger talent on the team though, you can see the full roster on their website if you're interested. Thanks for watching.
Interesting! Each there own but some would say the most reliable but all sleds can have issues. Hope what ever you ride you trust it and it gets you to RAD places!! Its what it is all about.
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Great breakdown of the differences between these machines! Absolutely LOVE my Summit X!
thanks for the info Dave
Loving my summit X!
Pat thanks for this, what a great day!!! Can't wait for more! Thanks for making the snowmobile community awesome with fun content!!
Thanks for your help with this one Dave!
Norona is the face of Ski-doo! Great speaker when it comes to sledding. Rock on 🤘
Tell me you are drunk without saying you are drunk.
@@R1Kyle haha! haven’t gotten drunk for a long time bud. Just speaking the truth, Norona lives quite the life. Lives Eats Breathes skidoo
Great video Dave! Thanks!
Thanks for watching, I know your getting good POW!!
@@DaveNorona eh we’re actually have a bad season, we hardly have any snow. All the storms have gone right around us. Been a month since we had any accumulation 👎
Would definitely like to see a video on the Expert with the T-motion swap.
Love my expert, adjustable limiter strap is spot on, thinner bars, billet brake reservoir, narrow stance I could go on.
now the summit x has it :)
Would be interested to see a video (or article) on the retrofit of the regular T-motion to the 175”Summit Expert with X package.
Thanks Pat, I’ve been riding a X for about 5 years now and I’m ready for a new spring check. I’m +50 and focused on ringing in the POW, fun rides with as little effort as possible so I can ride multiple days. I was ordering a Expert non turbo (due tot he $4K adder) for $21K + tax but after watching your video I’m now thinking Summit X which I know and love and add the turbo for $22K + tax. Again I really like at X but was taking Expert because it’s top of the line, I’m liking the T motion and flex edge track because it’s likely easier for me to get on it’s side and easier to ride….not sure I want to give this up….
make sense?
Hi Dan! Now that so many of the features that made the Expert 'better' when it first came out are now also on the Summit X, it's really more a matter of handling preference and how much effort you want to put into it. For next year the '24 Summit X also has the adjustable brake lever, quick adjust limiter strap and lower riser coming over from the Expert, so like Dave says, one is not really 'better' than the other anymore. Sounds like the X is the ticket for you. And don't forget that you're going to experience a BIG handling improvement going from Gen4 to Gen5 also! More fun, less effort.
As for the turbo decision! The power delivery is super smooth, so don't worry about it won't wearing you out. It's just like an 850, just more jam when you want it. If you can get a turbo Summit X for just $1K more than an na Expert, that would 100% be our recommendation for you and you'll have the time of your life next winter! Thanks for watching!
Anyone gone and tried the ds 4 skis on the 2022 expert yet. I'm going to try it on the and give some feedback
Awesome! Post here to let us all know how it goes!
What year did the track change with the lugs going all the way to the edge?
"The deep snow Gen5 sleds use a lighter 3.0″ lugged track called PowderMax X-Light with FlexEdge. The new X-Light track features full-width outside lugs that now extend all the way to the edge of the track." sleddermag.com/2023-ski-doo-snowmobiles/
Not the first person Ive heard say they dont like the ds4.
Why do all old guys ride the couches (175s)?
Lucky for you we have a video on that topic as well, (which also happens to feature Dave):
th-cam.com/video/eK0h_m_PAy0/w-d-xo.html
cause the young guys are to weak to ride them couches :)
Is it me or has skidoo kinda lost the marketing on the freeride. Its marketed as the big impact big jumper, but put all the weak parts on it. T motion keeps ripping apart and the last time ripped my track in 2 all the way around.
was it locked out, there have been very few failures with t-motion x unless people have used an aftermarket lock out
Of course it is, because skidoo should've had it locked out for everLoL
Maybe heres a better question, whats the out of the box sled for deep snow, only get out west for 5 days a year. 2.5 146 good suspension with a narrow a arms
Hey Dave Narona. I guess my comment aged well. Good shocks t motion delete. 15" track . Now I don't have to spend 3k over the price of my summit with freeride decals on it. Happy skidoo is still listening to the people
Isn't it only the turbo and the expert that have 180 hp?
all 2023 turbos in the summit sleds have 180 HP
@@freddockins9470 you must not be a sledder! Cause in the mountains horsepower has everything to do with whether or not you have a fun day or not. Try going up the mountains with an 80 hp sled then get back to me. How do I know because I did it!!!
@@freddockins9470 I have a 23 summit x it takes me anywhere I want to go but I also don't ride at 10,000 feet maybe six or seven lol
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Man how old is Dave now, 65??? He still rides well for a man that is that old but I think they need to pick a younger more current ambassador.
Dave is a great rider and ambassador, he works hard and he loves sharing his passion for snowmobiling! What more can you ask.
Ski-Doo does also have plenty of younger talent on the team though, you can see the full roster on their website if you're interested. Thanks for watching.
@freddockins9470 Does this guy meet your standards th-cam.com/video/D3Rkq_zDkbg/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
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Good info but I do not trust skidoos to be reliable
Interesting! Each there own but some would say the most reliable but all sleds can have issues. Hope what ever you ride you trust it and it gets you to RAD places!! Its what it is all about.
lol
Ha
😂 compared to what?
@@teachdougie8139 jap built yammys