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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- Today I look at some of the most problematic and worst designed heroes in Overwatch 2, this is not a critique of you as a person if you play any of these heroes in fact I find most of these heroes extremely fun I am merely pointing out problems within their design that are unhealthy for the game.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
0:25 - Mauga
3:08 - Ball
4:28 - Symmetra
5:53 - Kiriko
9:40 - Lifeweaver
10:56 - Conclusion
Tags: #overwatch2 #gaming - เกม
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you haven't played symm till you play her like an assassin
A niche hero doesn't mean that they are inherently badly designed. In fact, I think that having "restrictions" on some heroes in terms of which situations they are good in, can lead to very creative applications of those heroes in unexpected comps/strategies. For example, in Overwatch 1, people didn't really play Symmetra or Bastion on Volskya Industries until they realized just how useful teleporting a stationary Bastion between the two high grounds on first point could be. With one strategy, two heroes with very abusable weaknesses became a sustainable and useful part of the team comp. Thank god that comp had some counterplay to it as well, the trick was to either displace someone from the group (with lucio boop or hog hook) or to just destroy the other end of the teleporter with the least amount of people beside it. I will say though, a competent bastion/tank would protect each end of the teleporter by constantly t-ping between them. Symmetra's old Sheild Generator on the other hand was VERY poorly designed. Someone would have to switch to a flank just to get past the enemy team and find the damn thing. Not to mention the act of finding it and killing it was very boring and just felt like a chore because of the lack of human v human gameplay.
honestly great insight thanks for leaving such a well written comment, i do agree and i was going to originally name tbis video “Problematic Heroes” but didn’t sound as clickable
@@Pyrosquid Understandable, good video quality though!
A good Sombra emp would also do a good job of shutting it down too
@@BlazeWolf9511 True!
TBH u have no clue about the game at some points. Ball isnt bad at all, he is just extremly hard to master and get value out of it. If u take the points u said of ball to other tanks than would be Doom also shit as fuck. Only players who know how to play him making him usable.
As a ball and doom player I do say that Ball is much harder to use. With doom you can play around the Sombra or Orisa counter swap, with Ball though? Nah, pile driver has such a long windup that you have no chance
Your symm gamrplay says enough..
i may be the worst symm player in the world
@@Pyrosquidto be fair regardless of how good you are at sym her character is not a good fit for the game
I’ve played sym since early overwatch 1. She just takes a lot of practice to get good with. I think she’s fine how she is other than her turrents could use a rework. Sym is one of the few characters that doesn’t just feel like normal old first person shooter mechanics, let’s not ruin that. Outside of that I like ball, I just wish his guns did slightly more damage.
Great video by the way.
The reason why I think most of these heroes suck is purely based off of how flawed 5v5 is.
In 90% of maps you want an actual frontline, a tank that's present in front of the team.
Ball didn't transition well. You were meant to flank with him in ow1, where doing this in 5v5 would deprive your team with a frontline.
Mauga actually transitions well into 6v6 with a few nerfs: he would be killable since he would have ow1 level HP (around 500), and he isn't forced to sit in the frontline and use cardiac on the tank so that you could survive.
Heroes like kiriko would also be under more pressure as they are a single heal hero and would have to keep both tanks alive at the same time.
Kiriko feels like she was designed by redditor teen. "She can blink like a mage in a non-magic tech world, she can make you invincible with magic, she has fox ult because wholesome 100 chungus, she has 120 headshot weapon as a healer just because". So awful.
None of these are valid complaints outside her crit ratio
"Non-magic tech world" yknow that genji and hanzo were base roster right
What is bro on about
The roles called support not healbot
Why are you mad?
For mauga I’ve always thought that if they tightened his dual fire spread and lowered his damage so that he’s better suited at targeting squishies it would solve alot if this problems. 1 he’s no longer a tank busting tank 2 it forces u to be more engaging with who/how u target. The only issue is that his survivability would go way down, but that’s fine honestly, and if it’s really an issue u can make it so he gets a burst of overhealth of kills or something.
Ball is an incredible unique character. I adore him
he’s fun but in 5v5 i’d rather eat nails with the amount of chain CC
@@Pyrosquid vibes, we need 6v6 back
i dunno what to say people complain when lifeweaver had no impact, now that he does it's bad? should he not be able to protect his teammates? he has a lot of health and defensive options because his damage sucks. and tbh his primary healing does too.
it’s not that he’s good it’s just his kit is inherently annoying to play against for any tank or dps
@@Pyrosquid well. . . Id I'm playing something like Ana I could say the same thing about tracer or Sombra
@@RolagLondevert2563 those characters have actual interactions, lifeweaver pull is a zero skill counter ability. Whereas if i’m on dps against ana stuff like nade and sleep can be played around
@@Pyrosquid it is not 0 skill. Have you played life weaver? I've been hacked during pulls people have died mid pull animation I've pulled the wrong person because they walked in front of me. its not as easy an ability to use as you think. It takes good positioning to pull to a spot where they won't instantly die after and you have to predict when they actually need it so they don't flame you while also not waiting too late so they die before the animation finishes which can happen A LOT!
Ball would need a buff to his primary to be a dps. If you just shrink him down and remove his shields he becomes the worst character in the game.
We reduce his health to around 150 with 50 being armor. Keep the shields but it only gives around 25 per teammate around him but to ensure he doesnt instantly get bursted due to his round shape it gives 1.5 sec of cc immunity.
This way he doesnt explode the moment he uses piledriver. Keep his keep his swings at 50 damage get rid of the knock up on pile driver or just lessen it, but make the damage 120 then lessen the damage on minefield but buff his primary so he can actually dive and take out supports without needing a second player with him constantly.
Ball has way less survivability but keeps his identity as a hard to kill mobile hero his adaptive shield gives cc immunity because otherwise he'd be the worst dps in the game as hes round and easy to hit while being absolutely boned by any cc. He's still screwed by body blocking and while minefield is good at area denial his power is shifted to picking people one by one rather than massive area denial.
As a ball main, please, never cook again.
On ball you were shooting the tank most of the tank, not focusing anyone and just running around till your team died. Idk what ur doing on ball
do i look like ive ever played tank more than 10 hours
Kiri annoying fr I kno I have mad hours on her I got her to lvl 100 within a month but I’ll say it’s really from suzu her tp is frustrating but once you rm that she needs teammates too she’s actually pretty manageable and u can catch her out consistently if you keep pursuing after she uses it from a High masters player. Suzu is crazy tho no arguments ab that
Hot take- suzu is a necessary evil because anti heal would run rapid. Honestly bio nade is still crazy
I think kiri, souj, and cass are literally the worst characters to play against ever, and are so boring to play as.
Yeah, I have this philosophy that annoying characters can't also be good; it's for this reason that Symm and Sombra are poorly designed. They're annoying and inherently can't be good, otherwise the game isn't fun. People can say "skill issue" all they want, but an invisible sombra with extra damage with the virus plus denying your abilities through hack... like there isn't any counter play if you're not with your team. Even then with the dps passive, there's been times my teammates couldn't even out-heal the onslaught of stupid Sombra mechanics. And even when they get low they just tp height and try again. Mauga on release was unkillable and one-note, making him boring and irritating to have to fight. And Symm... no one likes Symm, not my friends, not me, not my randoms, hell not even Symm players. 6 v 6 is the only way to solve the problems this game is facing at the moment; Blizzard knows it, it's just that they need someone to latch onto to continue marketing this game as "Overwatch 2." They've basically added everything back from the original game except loot boxes and 6 v 6, and they can't bring back loot boxes so they're forced to try and tune a roster of characters that can't be tuned. Long time Overwatch fan btw, every other hero-based pvp simply does it better. Yes this is a rant, sorry.
I actually have an embarrassing amount of hours on Sombra and I agree to an extent. Though tbh, I think the issue is infinite stealth specifically. I’ve had sombra players who are less skilled then me, make it very difficult to play the character just by deciding to only come out of stealth to hack and or fight me specifically when i decide to do virtually anything. When stealth was on a timer it was weaker, but it meant the player actually had to position themselves well, and make a bit of a game plan before just diving in and doing whatever you want.
However, if sombra got reined in, in one area, something else would need to become better to compensate. I like Virus, and I like Hack. And despite both being powerful, Sombra has very rarely dominated the meta of the game so I wouldn’t really consider her op. But she annoying, definitely.
As a person who has spent all my hours on sombra i agree, it makes sense to keep her weak because her kit does too much but is kept weak to make it less oppressive
The comments make me believe every overwatch player who watches you is in Gold.
120 likes to 140 dislikes.. yikes
Venture + Ball.. Easy answer.
I love Kirko >:(
Sure her Hitbox is small but she’s can still be dealt with >:(
she’s fun to play but not fun to play against
Your comments about lifeweaver make me think this is satire. 4 out of the 7 healers from overwatch 1 have aim bot heals.
Honestly him and mercy are similar in the fact that if you're not focusing purely on supporting your doing it wrong. And they're both hella annoying to deal with, mercy going mothra and him deciding to roleplay hanzo with a launch pad.
Ana - aim
Bap - aim
Brig - aim aura
Illari - Aim plus pylon
Lucio - Aura
Moira - Sorta aim
Zen - Is a weird toggle thing
Mercy LW only aimbot heals and if you aren’t damage boosting 80% of the time you are missing out on her value
@@Pyrosquid Lucio - heals anyone around you
Brig - heal anyone around you and a point and click
Mercy - again point and click anyone in range. Also like I said just like LW she's a pure support, if you aren't constantly damage boosting or healing you're playing her wrong.
Zen - another point and click
Moira is debatable cause all you gotta do is spray and pray along with a orb that as long as you throw it in the right direction it does the healing for you.
Ana and bap were the only healers that you actually have to aim to get any use out of them, ana with her sniper and Knowing how to arc baps healing grenades. It wasn't until overwatch 2 when illari and kiriko were added that we got more aim focused healers.
Honestly most healers in MOBAs either do single target big heals or AOE/auto targeting group healing. so I don't get why the focus on LW when half the roster has aimbot/aim-not-needed healing, dude is basically mercy without the DMG boosting.
@@Pyrosquidkiriko auto bot
should have put rain here as well he did work in ow1 but in ow2 he is just the worst tank
Rein design is is definitely outdated not quite bad enough to make it on this video, maybe if I do a second part though he will be on it.
@@Pyrosquidyour right it wasn’t that rein was bad but the characters around him just kept evolving and getting stronger
Maugas kit works fine in 6v6 (tested and confirmed in 6v6 Pugs), in 5v5 he's just forced to survive by popping cardiac and shooting tank , unable to take flanks or anything because of what this format has forced tanks to do
@@Pyrosquid Than you shouldnt have put here too he is not a badly designed hero he just doesnt work in 5v5 like Rein
i would like to know what rank this is, cuz i couldnt disagree more, mauga and ball are both used at high ranks
Why isn't pgarah on here? She's AWFUL to play
Tweak heavy
So i don’t agree with every take here. But, the Kiriko one, I strongly agree with. Our new poster girl gets too much value, in too many areas and some of that value comes way too easily. Not only does she have suzu to outright deny/prevent a lot abilities. Sombra did this too, but all Kiri has to do is throw the ability down at her feet. She can time it for added benefit, but she could just use it after the face if she has enough hp to survive any incoming damage/ults to begin with. ( A JQ or Sig ult being a great example.)
But not only can she use suzu, she also can just bounce whenever with a secondary get outta jail free card that also acts as a cleanse (If i remember corrrectly). This is why she can just go on wild flanks with no consequence. At least with Sombra she was essentially gone. Kiriko, just ends up right back with her team ready to go. If she just had one or the other i wouldn’t care, but her having both makes her survivability significantly annoying, because you likely won’t kill her unless she uses both abilities. I understand that in a game like overwatch you need to exhaust cooldowns as a counter-play solution. You can do this against Kiri, but a good Kiriko that knows what they’re doing, will be able to escape often.
Honestly, I woudnt mine her keeping suzu, but i wish suzu didn’t work for her. I.e, she can use it to save teammates but not herself. That one change would essentially make easier counter-play, because then instead of having two life saving solutions, she has one for herself, and one for her team. Anyway, i dont hate her, but i think the value that she gets is just too easy all around.
kiriko my love fr
I like your ball take, its an interesting idea, but honestly you (and most people) are wrong about Kiriko. She is very satisfying to play, and not even that good. There are a bunch of invincibilities in the game that last longer than hers, it does not heal that much, they removed her 2 shot, and buffed everyone else's projectile hitboxes but hers. In almost all ranks she has a negative win rate.
Worst designed heroes in order:
Genji (absolute dogshit design)
Roadhog (no brain 1 shot combo anti tank hero)
Moira (too much value for skill required)
Bro has to be in bronze 💀
The roadhog one shot requires aim and is so easy to counter once you understand.
And genji? I think he’s super fun. If you’re shit with him, you’ll be shit. If you’re good with him, you will be good. Requires skill and practice to use him properly, compared to moira, mercy, phara ect.
@@the1noob337 typical bronze insult, like it matters. Pharah is one of the most skilled heroes in the game, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
@@quantum_psi funny how you completely ignored my comment and you refuse to enlighten me on why I’m wrong. I know you’re bronze because they refuse to understand one’s mechanics and counters. Genji and roadhog in this case
@@the1noob337 Frankly, I have no interest to engage in a conversation that begins with ad hominem attacks.
wtf is this guy talking about, half of these are garbo takes. Yeah, Ball is bad rn, but its not because of solo tank; Dive tanks are like the only tank archetype who are designed around being played solo, isolated from the rest of your team. Ball is bad because his DPS is so low that it cant follow through on any engagements his abilities setup for him, and because his defensive option requires him to get ganked.
rez still the worst ability to play against shouldnt even be in a game like this
Sorry but.... cap
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