Why is Symmetra being viable a problem now? | OW2 Reddit Questions #27
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- Here we go again, KarQ is back at it again, answering questions on /r/OverwatchUniversity.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:10 - Why is Symmetra being viable a problem now?
01:55 - Would you rather have a weak tank, weak DPS or weak supports?
03:28 - Is it just me or is platinum the new masters right now.
06:44 - Returning player dies instantly as tank (Reinhardt).
09:19 - How do you even play wrecking ball when Sombra exist?
11:11 - Blizzard needs to take note of their Pharah rework, and give Junkrat something similar.
15:00 - Does Sombra counters Cassidy or am I just dumb?
17:06 - You players that are able to hop in the practice range for 10 minutes and completely warm up - how do you do it?
19:21 - Why swap to a hero that pops off?
21:42 - Is it worth playing Kiriko as somebody with bad Kunai aim?
26:04 - Outro - เกม
Man my shitty console soldier76 aim had me shook when I found out I needed three shots to destroy a sym turret lmao.
Do you mean three shots? Because it hasn't been only one shot since she was still a support, 6+ years ago.
@@RLplusabunchofdumbnumbersit’s been one shot to melee until this most recent patch silly 🤑
@OG_Yaki what part of "shitty soldier aim takes more than 1 shot" says anything about melee, which every hero does the same damage at?
People ready to die on any hill in this comment section. It’s a joke lmao
@@scotthood8372Glad I'm not the only one who read that and thought "Yeah...no."
Idk I think its kind of insane for the devs to nerf symm back to being a terrible hero when she was only decent (not even good) for like a week. I get they wanted to roll back some changes but the reality is that symm is just so much weaker compared to characters in her own role. Even if they decided to not nerf her tracer, echo, hitscans, and soujourn are so much better than her that its never actually worth picking her even on the maps where she would be best played.
The mirror question is so true. Even in QP peoples ego gets hurt if you're popping off (dps i notice most) and try to mirror all the time. Hitscan heroes this is VERY common it seems.
If we’re talking strictly ego in QP I come across way more toxic tank players than dps, but this is just my experience on console.
@@l0kpcr397 interesting. I'm on console as well, I guess I've seen it pretty split. "Tank diff" gets thrown out a lot, unnecessarily most the time. Problem with OW is most people dont understand that stats are not a clear view of actual performance so people get the wrong feedback and feel like they carried when in reality they were throwing. But they keep playing that way cause they had "good stats"
@@TR-ju5re yeah like you could be doing all the damage in the server but if it’s not at the right time is doesn’t mean shit
@@TR-ju5re also respectfully what’s your rank? That may be influencing your qp experience. I’m unranked but I think I’ve been hovering around gold/plat lobbies, had a handful of games with GMs sprinkled in but they were never the toxic ones in those lobbies
@@l0kpcr397 mid masters previous seasons. Haven't played rank much this season. Lower ranks definitely get some crazy toxicity, usually from the worst player in the lobby ironically. When I play with silver friends their enemy "counterpart" of similar rank is toxic a lot it seems
As a junk main I absolutely love the change proposed for the flankrat playstyle to stay. Spam fire was always kinda just something done to fill out time before I would try to target somebody. The only other change I even imagined to bring back more skilled style playing of Junkrat was something like vulnerability window from being hit by a nade for extra damage of the mine
Karq definitely cooked with this one. Lowering minimum DMG is also a cool idea
As someone who plays a lot of Junk, I do actually like the concept of your "rework"
It's small enough that it doesn't entirely change how he's played, all it really does is punish random spam from being so effective (unless you get lucky directs), while rewarding players who have good aim with rat, and of course making Flankrat more viable again. That, in combination with nerfing the mine's minimum damage so it's not such a powerful finisher, could put him in a good state again
The zoom at 23:28 is fire. Thank you editor
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With the rank reset explained. Now I understand why all my mid diamond games were so sweaty. I thought i was just crazy/losing my groove not being able to get back to masters.
Yeah Mid diamond is a jungle right now. The Majority of players are Masters level but with the twist of having a few boosted Plats and GM's/T500's on Fresh accounts.
Yeah, I was Diamond on Tank last season and finally got up to Plat 1 recently
pretty crazy to think ab magua having an unstoppable “charge” ability when that is literally rein’s thing
This! Why is big man running immune but not a big armored up train??
Honestly, probably just age. Lore and Design wise.
And because game design wise its more convenient to let things works in a blanket sense instead of fine tuning the interactions case by case.
Imo Maugas design is correct in the sense that tank mobiilty CDs should have a layer of protection from certain CC.
Like, there is no good reason besides (we wanted a support that doesnt get run over) for Brigs bash, to trade even with Doom Punches and Rein Pins.
I feel like they cant futureproof on a case by case. And doing them all individually is too much (despite them litetally doing the same shit for Sombra and constantly tweaking what she can and cant hack/emp)
And with that in mind, imo more tanks should just be unstoppable for windows of time when using mobilitys.
Mauga and Rein and most tanks while in motion? Should be unstoppable, but during startup and climax should be vulnerable.
Balance wise Rein’s charge can kill a squishie so having counterplay is good. Mauga’s overrun doesn’t do much. Maybe they should have his run do light damage/knockback but be CC-able
rein charge is actually very stoppable lol
That bad kunai Kiriko is me! :D
Didn't expect to end up in video, but I do thank you for advice. I'll try to utilize my hero movement more for aiming instead of my mouse.
Also you've said that kunai accuracy isn't what distinguishes a good vs bad Kiriko. Then what is?
Ofuda is alright to track, swift step and suzu is just a reaction check, and kitsune is great in any teamfight. So at least to me, the only expressive part of her kit are the kunai headshots, which are more prevalent now that healbotting is much less effective due to dps passive.
Game sense, especially in overwatch is a huge factor in determining skill level
Consider this: Don't try to aim your crosshair to your enemies, rather, try to get you enemies in the middle of the screen. I do this with all projectile heroes and i can confirm it works.
The rein ditto is for honor and dopamine. Nothing better.
Mommy says people my age shouldn't suck my thumb.
You can see the struggle of KarQ trying not to say skill issue and move on after reading the title of some of these posts
Cause it really is a skill issue lmao
wouldn't be much of a help line if he just said skill issue and moved on now would it
Gotta say, it's so weird to hear OW2 relayed talk while listening to sf6 battle hub music lol
Rein swing should destroy all projectiles that move under a certain speed. Rewards swing timing and saves shield for poke more often. Just a thought
Ooh, like him baseball-batting away projectiles? That'd be nice. It wouldn't be quite a deflect like Genji's, but it would swat slower projectiles away to the side. It'd help him tank against heroes like Junkrat and especially Pharah.
so like an orisa deflect that values good timing?
@@DDan42 And also only swats away slower projectiles. Wouldn't do anything for faster projectiles like Hanzo arrows, or hitscan. And Rein swings his hammer slow enough that I don't think he'd be able to swat every rocket from Pharah being spammed at him, for example.
Cookin
Yeah, this could be cool. It doesn't really sound like it would fix his issue compared to other tanks though. Could be a fun addition.
Karq was cooking with the Junkrat Rework Idea
I think that Rein should have a speed mechanic that his speed increases the lower his shield goes, kind of like giving his shield weight and then as it recovers, he slows back down
So like a turtle without it's shell
Interesting mechanic
i feel the thing you said about casually playing after work. i come home from work and manage to play like five to six games before I'm too tired and so I just instantly queue comp because who cares at the end of the day. When I was grinding the game seriously I peaked in diamond 1 (so still pretty low) but this season I've been hovering around mid-plat and it's just very chill to play a few mindless games without having to try your hardest every game
As a junkrat main, that is the direction junkrat should go. I have been someone that has been saying junk doesn't need a full rework, but the proper numbers shifts. They already considered bounce falloff on junkrat a long time before, and I think that the way karq suggests here is exactly the direction they should be going for. This season has made it so junkrat balance is easier to handle than ever, bc before changing anything could break him easily, but rn he is in a spot where you can tweak his numbers without a true risk of breaking him.
15:50 imo, as a Sombra main, Sombra absolutely destroys Cass in the 1v1. One, he's got that wide hotbox, so he's eating all of her bullets and virus. Two, roll mitigates some damage, which can definitely help, I've seen it help a good number of times before, but the duration is so short, so it's not exactly a hard save from her. And third, mag grenade does suck against her. If you time your tp right, you will still tp even if it sticks you. And the thing is, you don't have to tp far into cass' preferred range. You can throw it to the ground or a wall nearby. So yeah, unless you got some killer aim and get those headshots on her, you're toast.
Thank you, I was questioning my sanity when he was going on about it. You can tell he doesn't have much experience in the matchup lol. Especially when he talked about using high noon to dmg mit the virus LOL
That being said, using high noon to dmg mit the virus is 100% my dumbass would do
I love these videos! You need to make more!!
Love the idea for the junk change !
I'm so glad you answered that Ball question. It wasn't me, but I've been having issues with that matchup too. I love Ball vs Sombra though, it feels like I'm playing Monster Hunter with how it's a tough fight to her advantage lol
Mauga can no longer ignite shields, very worth noting, tip for rein into mauga, play to bait his heal, and shield it out if you cant unpeek, then the mauga can fall over like a something that falls, but not that easily
He was never able to ignite barriers
@@sebastianrodriguez8992he absolutely was able at first and KarQ even showcased it in his video, but it was pacthed out
@@lyzder7298 He couldn't ignite it by himself
If Ashe threw a dynamite at the barrier or if it was ignited by molten core then he would do more damage to it but by himself he never could ignite it with just his bullets
They should make Junkrat like Demoman in TF2. Lower the damage a little, but give you critical dmg on direct hits.
Love this
I love love love your junkrat suggestions
Thanks for the validation KarQ. I will continue to get drunk & high and throw my ranked games.
Have been playing Junkrat a lot within the last 6 months to the point where he has pretty much replaced Rein as my main after 7-ish years, and I really like your idea of bounces reducing the damage but giving him the two-tap back. Even before I started playing Junk more, his instakill didn't feel nearly as BS as others like Hanzo arrow for example since the Junkrat player needs to actually engage and put themselves in a dangerous position, somewhat similar to Rein's pin. Not to mention the assassin rat playstyle was/is (if you can pull it off now) so much more fun and rewarding than spamrat, which feels boring to play and cheap to play against.
Rein needs Fortified protection during charge.
Should be a good fix.
BTW, as a rein player, getting overrun knockdown my charge, triggers me slightly.
Should be the other way around, I got freaking rocket pack on my back!!
big man runs, sorry
I'm pretty sure the devs actually hate Rein
The swap to hero who’s popping off is so true! I mostly play lifeweaver on support and if I stay alive long enough get some kills; I will “force” someone on the other team to play weaver too, it’s so weird
Your idea for Junkrat is one that has been submitted on the OW forums recently, and I find it really good : it lowers his spam damage in low ranks (low skill, unfun for the Junkrat and the enemies) and brings back his skill expression and threat potential in higher ranks. Please Blizzard, listen to this !!!
About the warmup question, my solution is to play a different game to warm up. I've been playing Warframe and Foamstars before my sweaty ranked games in Apex and it helps you feel way less burnt out when you finally jump in
The beam nerf for sym was so annoying, but I didn’t mind the turret nerf tbh
23:27 I see what you did there, thanks Editor-san lol
For the mirroring question, I'll speak from my perspective in open queue when I'm fighting against a pharah that no one bothers to shoot (low eloand i'm playing supoport) I tend to switch to pharah myself because I'm more confident I can terrorize her team and kill her solo on Pharah. Lol it is definitely an ego thing.
A rein passive where he gets a damage reduction when his shield breaks for like 2 seconds so he doesn't instantly die I think mixed with the increased armor could make him a little viable.
Also the shield has to hit max hp or a certain amount to reset the passive so it can't be abused. Or maybe not if it's not too broken.
I usually mirror match when 1 hero is annoying me, but there counter will get rofl stopped by everyone else... for instance some hero counters might need you to get in close to pull off, but their team covers that player hard making getting close a challenge for instant widow, but there are others that elude me.
Rein should be able to charge backwards with the shield up. how's that for an escape tool?
LMAO love it
junk main here (im not particularly great at the game i just love playing junk) i love KarQ's suggested junk change. my FAVORITE part of junk is hitting the directs anyways, and spamming a corner is sincerely just not very fun. I'd love for the skill expression of hitting directs to be rewarded. say what you will about the hitbox, but it is still one of if not the slowest moving projectile in the game, and with one of if not the deepest arch. edit: PLUS this would get around having to change either his projectile speed or fire rate, which would throw off all the junk mains
Quick question, as a casual KarQ enjoyer, what is the giant GBC cartridge in the background? I want to say Pokemon Silver...?
dude that one question about having to play like 5 games to feel warmed up is the most relatable thing ever. I don't think about overwatch outside of when i'm playing so when I get on it's like I have to remember what the name of the game even is. I have 700 hours and this still is a problem for me.
I just say that if they made junkrat able to charge grenades as in increase range, it would change how he works. Because it would be rewarded for good aim and allow for more creative shots with him.
As a gm junkrat player last season and currently in masters this season. I would be fine with that suggestion
What's the song? Sounds familiar
EDIT its from Street Fighter 6
Doesn't Rein shield reset the burn if you put it away and then bring it back up?
That kiri part was so real, tsm karq, I dropped kiri bc of my Walmart aim but I still love heal bitting with her and saving teammates with suzu etc ❤
I really don't like how flying feels in this game but the new pharah changes are super fun and super awesome to use, love playing new pharah. (I don't like flying since movement is so snappy and responsive on the ground so I rarely want to give up that advantage)
If you play after work or hours before bed, warming up your aim really does take forever. When I play mid day, I warm up so much faster. 17:57
21:40 🤣🤣 "For rein, thats just for honor" 💪 Ngl i get so happy to when i play rein & see the enemy tank have rein as well
Thank you KarQ. I like that you try to be objective when judging other heroes even if you dont play those heroes. Symmetra needs to be rework at this point. She is viable on fewer and fewer maps as time goes by.
That junk rework is really big brain, that'll be huge for him, tho I'd probably lower the dmg by a percentage instead of a flat 10
Honestly the rank reset has felt pretty fine for me, I only went down 1 rank on all roles in high diamond and moved up to at least where I was at last season. I’m not sure if people who aren’t super high ranked are overreacting or were actually ranked too high/ I was too low
Am I cooking?!
How about Rein gets a short movement speed boost when the shield cracks?
I didn’t even think about this but why is hack on a much shorter cd than sleep?
Hot take: saying a character’s ultimate is a counter to another character/normal ability is mostly not a valid argument, at least to the average player e.g. High Noon is a counter to Sombra/Hack/Virus or Mauga Cage is counter to Doomfist.
Mauga in general counters doom, it's so easy to punish the block with the slam
Yeah, a fat recharge on an ultimate to counter an ability with a cooldown in seconds is a pretty bad trade
I think the only buff Rat needs is to give his tire more hp to bring it in line with the global damage increase. Either that or replace some of the existing hp with armour.
Tire is good as is… if it was given more hp then as it takes dmg its explosion dmg should be reduced by a good amount
I think part of the reason people switch to mirror because they see someone else having fun amd doing well. To me they get reminded that the character is fun amd can be successful
Sf6 theme? Interesting taste bro
While the complaints of Symmetra's turrets being annoying are valid, that is fundamentally how overwatch works. This isn't a game like Valorant and CS. The game is PACKED with unconventional mechanics and abilities that you won't see in other games. So while you not liking / hating cheesy abilities like; turrets, traps, projectile based weapons, stuns, slows, immortality, cleanse, anti heal, rez, etc.. is valid, you're playing a game that has made it clear that it's very much so part of the identity.
So we either get rid of those abilities, or keep them viable. But putting heroes like Sym, Illari, Lifeweaver, ball, Rein in a burning dumpster state (Sym for most of her history), is the definition of bad game design, and should NEVER be the solution for any hero.
Whether you like Sym or not, I don't understand why people like her in a trash state. Wouldn't it be better for them to rework her so she's less annoying and more fun to play? But no, focus more on popping out new heroes while there's a huge amount of old ones that need a lot more attention. That's definitely healthy! Unless the next hero gets the Sym, ball Illari and Lifeweaver treatment 😅 we'll just have to wait for the next hero to be fun, balanced and playable if thats the case. 🤡🤡🤡
Just one more rework bro 😢Blizz will surely make her an interesting hero to play as and against this time
@@jackiepaper3974you mean like sombra LOL
It's because they want to just do rotating meras instead of a balanced game.
Not sure if it's me but imo sombra is countered by cree instead of the other way round. One heatshot and sombra is basically forced to run away. The hinder is more of a kill confirm for me. I'm a master dps and usually go cree when I see a sombra.
I'd be curious to hear people's arguments if anyone would ever prefer a bad tank over supp or dps
Your junkrat take is top tier.
I'm a symetra main and dominate kuz people have no idea how to deal with my turrets then rage saying I have no skill I'm able to tell if a team is any good depending on how fast they go after my turrets
13:30 Give junkrat the old Sombra translocator so he can flank.
I'm a genji main, so sym is my counter. whenever sym is too weak, you can notice it very easily. when season 9 began, it was clear she needed some buffs. I hate her turrets but don't mind fighting sym herself.
The way to play against sombra as ball now, is to hunt the sombra and hope your team can deal with the periods of time without a tank
Sym could use a really good rework that changes her “hero fantasy” like orisa. Because lorewise she’s starting to have second thoughts about the company. I’m just coping though.
Id mirror if I'm rolling or getting rolled I just want a good even game if I counter that's just not fun to me but a rian 1v1 or any hero (except widow and sombra) not for ego just for fun
wait that junkrat rework is actually so good, i fw the idea. i play junk and the "flankrat" is very hard now and the spam is boring. this would work perfectly bc i want junkrat to take skill anyways xD
If Blizz want to give the higher end players a longer, more fulfilling grind, I wonder would it not have made sense to add some tiers at the bottom for the learners?
The game was already less than generous to newer players, and now they'll be spending even longer in low metal. I imagine it also feels more oppressive when higher end players are being sprinkled through the games (without smurfing) as they're grinding back to higher ranks.
the word of the video "finesse"
It’s why I’ve thought comp was pointless lately. Went from Masters 2 to Plat 5 on reset. Climbed to Plat 1, but it’s vs all masters and Diamond from before, it’s basically the same difficulty level just at a lower rank. So I just figured to wait, let it sort out for a while then climb back up to masters
Ball into sombra is literally just waste her time while still fucking with their team a bit. If her entire goal is to chase you around she's not really doing anything for her team so long as you stay alive and play it smart. If you don't know where she is play spots that you can quickly los the rest of her team. Use your mobility to fling yourself around to spots she can't get to quickly without translocating (usually high grounds). I feel like your job at that point is to just annoy the shit out of whoever you can while constantly keeping tabs on sombra. You gotta remember if you are forcing 2 people to fight you, then your team is fighting 4v3. Thats your value when you aren't able to pick up easy kills. Take as little damage as possible while still forcing their team to turn away and look at you because you are a threat to them or their teammate.
Iam a Junkrat main. I would like to have the 1 shot combo back. And when you reduce the dmg of the bounce grenades then the other heroes have it easier to kill the Junk. It is much more effective for him to hit his nades directly. You profit rarely from the bouncing ones because people are more aware of it than months or even a year ago. The hate towards him is btw really strange. (Has to do with the influence of streamers in my opinion.)
Does anyone remember the dude that would stream snipe Timthetatman and would only play Sym. The 1st one of "her being a throw pick" reminded me of that lol
pretty sure mauga doesn't do crit damage to shields. thats why rein is actually really good against mauga (if mauga isn't hard meta broken) and you have good dps. the shield lasts long enough for your dps to kill him since he isnt getting lifesteal.
Now? Because they just buffed her. But I think it's a problem anytime cheesy turrets are viable.
Like I said before, let Rein shield while he charges, and even better yet, let him pin multiple people if he's charging with his shield out. You'd still be able to break the shield and that'll save some people but it helps him engage/disengage easier and helps with his survivability
rein should be able to one shot multiple characters at once?
@@marcosrodriguez.9753 With the health pools the way they are and the damage that does go out against him he'd still be lucky to get a multi-pin kill. as it is unless you're severely outplaying the opposing team you're not getting many charge kills
There's an element of players leaving screwing up the ranks. I was M5-2, and my 3 stack who played nightly for years left for Helldivers 2. I don't anticipate returning, it's time to let the new players come up. I'm thinking there are just less players on par with what that guy used to be, like in the middle, and I'm betting the gm players are more sticky, so there's probably just more highly skilled players by %'age knocking everyone who stayed, down a peg.
Shouldn't the bell curve be higher? That was the question for me. New ranked system, big rank reset, the advertised message was: give your best and use this chance! Result: everybody deranks?! Just doesn't feel good, does it? Is it really so hard to understand your own game? (no sarcasm, serious quesrion here)
Yeah I really like your proposed change, you're most likely going to one-shot somebody if you actually aim it at the target but you don't get rewarded as much if you just spam and said projectiles bounces. I played Rat a few times and I personally hated how forgiving his spamrat style, like whenever I play anyone else I would rather get killed by a really skilled Rat play than get killed by a really lucky trap or a really lucky spam
I just made a post in overwatch university and i would love to hear what you think of the idea KarQ. Hope it makes the next one 🙏🏻
People don't enjoy playing with or against the hero because of the heroes kit. It's a design issue. When it comes to perception there is a scale of "fair" heroes and "unfair" heroes, sym just happens to heavily skew to the unfair side for most people
what if reincharge got 50% damage reduction but only from the back 😂 you know, because, like, the jet flames are pushing the bullets back, or something stupid like that
to be fair jeff kaplan was a symm player himself, and alec... well alec gave a like to a tweet saying "well thanks for making symm viable for a week then nerfing her back to useless". he has tried more stuff with symm however. has it ever happened something that didnt apply to main game but did apply to pro play and got nerfed, to this extent? i think symm has the lowest pickrate in all ranks, and a negative wr in all ranks.
10:40 to ball against sombra, you must target her first. You do not engage with the enemy team until you kill sombra first. You have over 700 effective health and ball's guns can deal around 700 to 800 dps with perfect head tracking so there is no chance sombra can kill you before you wipe her from this plane of existence. Especially not if you lure her near a mega and use it mid fight to regen your armor. Typically if someone rageswaps to sombra to counter ball, they'll just blindly chase you around so it'll work 9 times out of 10.
yes i agree with you, but two things to consider. 1 - wrecking ball does 250 dps with 100% headshots and no fallloff damage. 2- sombra can hack health packs, and any decent sombra will. Don’t rely on megas for that 1v1
Every game definitely feels harder and even at gold/plat you can't make many mistakes.
Shout outs to sf6 music. ❤
I still love karq had to change this channel name cause people didn't understand it. I thought it was clever
Mauga can crit shields? That sounds, stupid
Indeed
i feel like season 9 mid season has pulled ranks down. i managed to reach plat 5 in the first half of the season after a few hundred games and then after season 9 midpatch, i dropped to gold 3 almost instantly, like with 3-4 wins in between only. something definitely is going on, and i also noticed a lot of diamond role challengers and even master and a few gm in my games. something in shaddy here. feels like they want to push our ranks back so we grind more to get back to where we were. Blizzard classic
As a mid-high gold support console player, I gotta say, the best part of the rank reset is that I am now getting matched with teammates that are actual players and not just bananas with controllers way more often than before, I am finally feeling like I have an actual chance to climb and my teammates don’t feel like the sole reason I lose games anymore (at least not as often, sometimes I get some horrible players in my team, like a tank that just jumps the enemy alone or a dps that doesn’t hit any shots at all, but not nearly as often as before), so yeah, good job blizzard, I really hope they continue to make good decisions from now on. Now, where is my lucio buff to boop again? The lucio mafia wants MORE ENVIRONMENTAL KILLS BLIZZARD…
I wouldn’t say this is a hot take, but Overwatch should give us the option to equip past menu screens/music kinda like Fortnite
KarQ I love your videos and even the fact that you mention Symmetra in some of them, when nobody else seems to know this hero exists. Could you please go a bit more in depth with the issues Symmetra is facing? Every single Sym main I know is very unhappy and asking for a rework. Nobody can understand how a hero that always had a low pick rate but was strong in the right hands has become just plain bad. I think the devs failed at providing any sort of explanation and are just burying her for reasons they don't want to share. She currently has the lowest pick rate and win rate in her whole history.
Junk needs a 3rd mine
yes simply just give him the one shot back junk needs it
my idea for junk was using scroll to increase or decrease bullet speed(with a litle animation of course), higher speed bullets would do more impact dmg and less explosion dmg and lower speed would do more explosion and less impact dmg
How would scrolling it work on console?
@@andersondavis1228 dpad?
@@headecasd pads for ow are used for the wheel menus/pinging/sprays, i think right d pad is the only available button
@@l0kpcr397 r3+up or down?
@@headecas r3 is melee idk man
im of the camp that says when simple characters are good the game is fine but i know there is a VERY LOUD group that despises the idea that simple characters are allowed to be good but I've also noticed they hate when niche characters are even an inch out of their niche
i agree honestly, id rather play against sym torb and junkrat than tracer or widow, doesnt matter if tracer and widow take skill theyre just not fun to play against.
@@kingmoosh2004 i know im cringe because im a bastion main but i wish i didn't have to be shamed my alot of people just because i like the funny robot
When easy heroes are way better than skillful heroes, the game kinda falls apart. Mauga meta is the most recent example, but it happened with orisa, bastion and mercy too. Easy heroes can be good, sure, but I think some heroes just don't deserve to be meta. Even some difficult heroes, like widow and ball. The problem is just that some heroes are designed in a way that makes them unhealthy for the game. Like junkrat or old pharah.
So I think we should gatekeep the meta to a certain extent.
@@abudgie6909 i think that when overwatch has a specific team thats the best the fun is lowered. inversely when no one is meta i feel its a game of rock paper scissors. im more of a rock paper scissors person than a mirror match(unless its a bastion mirror match)
I think Sym is a problem, no because she is too good or too hard to play against, I just doing like any hero that has something in the kit that plays the game for them.
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I'm a doomfist main I disagree you can get Zen lucio and kill things without heals you are going to die more yes you can play smarter but yeah no plat is not new Masters im diamond three it feels the same as diamond has always felt
Honestly I think reins barrier should be a pinch smaller, making it used more selfishly and less appealing for enemies to shoot. Let him move just a pinch faster with it, and I think those two things will have much better impact than you’d expect.
No. Just no “a pinch smaller” no I need that pinch smaller rein shield is good for peeling which should not be changed
@@adiamondtrash9344 it’s only “so good” in lower ranks. Most of the time your team is better positioned away from you, and your shield is used only for yourself. I do genuinely mean only “a pinch” smaller.