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I will say they made good on the lore in the gameplay being that orisa was designed to just fuck up doomfist's day and she's always been very good at that
Let’s not forget to mention that not only is Orisa basically CC immune, she has 2 CC abilities to bully the enemy tank who for the most part AREN’T CC immune.
@@Anonymous-lv4diIt's a joke, this guy created Superman from Injustice if I'm not mistaken, So he's comparing Orisa as a benevolent character and wanting to help everyone she can like superman for a very offensive and controlling character in addition to being almost "evil" like Superman from injustice
I’m glad you mentioned the problems surrounding the spirit of her character - I miss the old Orisa! She was kinder and more protective. The new version just doesn’t feel like her anymore.
same. i really dont care what story reason they have for changing her personality, i dont like the new persona. same with mercy although i think hers was walked back partially.
Overwatch 1 Orisa was a peaceful protector but probably watched good much Batman and saw that saving Villians isn’t always the answer and got she tired of their bull and started using a spear to assert her dominance in Overwatch 2
used to love orisa in OW 1, she was an adorable cinnamon roll that would stomp you for bullying her team, now she IS the bully. ever since she picked up that javelin its like shes never come out of "red eyes mode" her ult doesnt even support her allies anymore its just beating down the opposition. what happened to the crossing guard, puppy loving, cutie patootie i dumped hundreds of hours into?
Life like anything else Had ramattra tired and didn't care for peace anymore and orisa probably got tired of criminals being irredeemable so she went for a more proactive approach, especially when she's designed to fight the biggest villain out there
@@sebastianrodriguez8992 she's designed to defend Numbani, not just fight doomfist. Plus, it's stated in lore that Efi, her creator, regularly modifies her artificial intelligence. The original Orisa was a guardian, an anchor for the team who could punish enemies for overextending in the main fight. Now though, she's one of the most Rushdown brawler tanks in the game because her abilities incentivise getting into enemies faces to eat projectiles and fling them into walls. She's more doomfist than new doomfist
Same 😢God I miss old Orisa SO much. I was a Zarya and Dva two-trick but played Orisa when a shield was needed cause she was just my favorite of the 3 available at the time (Halt was so much fun to use.) Her kit now is just not the same. I'll still use her from time to time, but it's like she's just not the same Orisa. Paging Efi
A thing about orisa I don't see people mentioning is that she is the product of hero design philosophy. Every role in ow has a couple of anti bullying characters. These characters are designed to be picked when you are being hard focused by a team and still let you get some value. Moira in support, torb in dps, and orisa in tank. These characters are never meant to make plays or go get value. They exist as an out for players who feel helpless during their match because x player is spawn killing them, or they are getting full dove, etc. The problem with a tank that does this is that tank skill expression is based on how much focus you can take without dying. So a character built to reduce frustration for being focused reduces the skill requirement for tanking as a whole.
One of Orisa’s issues is she’s always been Blozzard’s go-to to try and rein in an unfun meta, which is part if why she’s so heavily stated. She lost her identity by her creator trying to make her the solution to a problem she was never asked to solve.
They tried to make her anti engage and while she does a good job of denying doom or Winston from doing their job, she ended up becoming way too stupidly good at denying anything she looks at
Well I remember before Orissa came out people were begging for more tanks and especially shield tanks, this is because everyone loves Reinhardt and to an extent Winston as such when a new shield tank was made people were ecstatic, funny how eventually they complained about double shield when in the early days all people were hoping for was a new shield tank, pretty much every "fan concept" tank hero had a shield. So I would say it makes plenty of sense why she was quite well recieved at the time.
As an OW 1 orisa main, i LOVED her old playstyle. You could be far more aggressive with her than many people realised but you still had to be cautious. Barrier could be deployed forward as a place to run to, in the supports faces forcing them out of position at the cost of your defence and even triple barrier uptime tech at the start of a fight by predeploying barrier, shooting one up in the air to get it on cooldown so it dropped down when they were about to destroy the first and the cooldown being done by the time the second was taken out if you really wanted to hold a choke. it was a stationary barrier but it had skill expression. halt giving you enviromental kills on entire groups of people even though it was such a slow and obvious ability was so satisfying and gave you a presence on the battlefield that was hard to replicate. it was dangerous, not because of the ability itself but because of the follow up that came after. it was an ability that baited your team into working together which is a miracle that OW2 could use. And fortify. they have made it do too much in 2. before it was an outplay button for when a rein thought he could shatter you or almost a last stand where they have broken through all your defences so now you just have to stand in their face hoping that you get a kill or your barrier is back off cooldown. but now? it has so many effects its lost its identity (off the top of my head its: damage reduction, crit immunity, overhealth, slow, CC immunity, weapon overheat reduction.) its not a "last stand" its the run is screaming ability where you do everything better but not in a meaningful way that is enjoyable to use. you cant hold fortify to outplay, you have to just press it on cooldown so you can keep standing in the frontline. Bongo was such an amazing ult, it was a teamwide nanoboost as long as you kept the thing alive, it was not a fight win but it tipped the odds in your favour. Terra surge is... fine. its not as bad as people claim but its just so uninteresting. its like a zarya grav but worse, it can chunk health like a sigma but sigma does it better. half the time you see a moment you want to use it you actualy cant because you have to stick yourself in the centre of the entire team and will explode long before you get to hit for meaningful damage. it gets you a kill on people that have overextended or lets you take the last bit of payload in overtime, there is no spectacle to it like the lightshow of a well placed bongo. Now the javelin. why. what was the reasoning. orisa the gental protecter, you know what she needs? the ability to impale people from accross the map and slash people in the face over and over so hard that it pushes them away letting you trap them in a corner while you blend them to death. nothing says gentle better than that. i dont have much to say about them because, honestly, they are fine abilities, but why put them on orisa. they have even had to rework her personality to make the new abilities fit her in the slightest. all her voicelines have become cold. she always had a warmth behind her, telling her team to "please stand behind the barrier" but now she doesnt have that, she just looks at completeing the task without much care for those around her. her voiceline where tracer asks how orisa can catch people, orisa says "i can give you a demonstration, start running" the start running isnt friendly or warm, its said almost as a threat which is just at odds to who she was and the characterisation she was given through the years of OW1. its a completely diffrent character, so much to the point that i wish they had just removed orisa from the game and came up with a new person to replace her instead of changing her to be unrecognisable. im still holding out hope that they bring back original orisa but they have dug themselves too deep at this point for be to belive it will happen.
- i hadn’t touched orisa since overwatch 1. - played her for the first time in overwatch 2 like a month ago. - attempted to throw my shield running from spawn. - pulled out a giant fking javelin???????? - lost the game. was quite a culture shock
Orisa was has been my main since the day she released. I played her at a friend's house and Orisa alone was the reason I went home and Overwatch. For the entirely of OW1 she was my main, I'd say probably 90% of all my playtime was as her. I was not playing Overwatch, I was playing Orisawatch. I've never been super into shooters, so I loved having a big tanky character built around assisting my team, not just killing the enemy team. When OW2 came out I was genuinely distraught for a day, and it still frustrates me to this day that they essentially removed the primary reason I played OW. Since then, I've expanded my hero usage and actually like playing some DPS and healers, and I've gotten better at shooters in general, so I don't entirely mind her new kit, but it still bugs me how much they changed my beloved robot.
Me too. It was fun pulling people off the map and setting them up for a rein shatter or tracer bomb, or to get them out of my face since she didn’t have javelins spin at the time.
I nicknamed Orisa "The Fun Police" because anytime I'm having fun on Rein or by some miracle I'm actually popping off on him, suddenly a Cow shows up and sucks the fun out of the entire match. It's such a fucking drag to play against Cow, especially considering that I'm a low ranked metal player (Gold 5) and I'm mostly on the casual/fun side of the game and while I understand that losing is not fun but having my pick permanently invalidated because there is a Cow and my team is not really familiar with the idea of picking the supports off it usually just boils down to a slog of a game. I used to be a hardcore tank main and in that sense mostly playing the older tanks Hog/Rein with the occasional monkey or sometimes Ram. But recently I sort of migrated over to playing DPS cuz whenever I have a good day and I have the chemistry with the randoms on my team it just ends cuz Cow.
Dude same but with sombra instead. Everytime I play support or a backline DPS I find out they have a sombra. I just want to improve my aim but I improve slower when I have to mute everything but something that lets me know where sombra is and I still get killed. I'm not even sure what I have to listen for to find her other then footsteps and it never works
most fun characters have a "fun police" counter, it honestly sucks. i play the chars i like and im not someone who gets frustrated by losing, but its not fun when you're dead 90% of the match 😐i don't even want to win, i just want to play the goddamn game
19:16 I think they should make the size of her behind bigger. You know, to protect the teammates behind her. Also remove the inability to receive critical hits when in fortify. But as a replacement, fortifying will allow her to expand/inflate her chest area to protect her head hitbox.
Honestly, i think the main thing making her so gosh darn hard to kill, is that she'll fortify, and then spinblock/run right after to nulify most dmg for about 6 secs or so. and then you have a window to hurt/kill her before the cd's are off again. But damn if it aint heartbreaking to be having fun as a rein/doom/hammond, only for the enemy tank to swap to Orisa in QP.
That's why she got nerfed cause healers could make her immortal during that window and repeat over and over, why no one really tried to play anything else in league and her damage output is ridiculous. Be like making soldier 76 a tank
I loved OW1 Orisa. I didn't play much tank but she was in my most played characters bc she was so unique. I loved turtling in/out of shield and yes, halt combos were very fun
Honestly sucks that the only way that I can get some semblance of her OG gameplay is through Ramattra. The Primary Fire, Barrier, and CC all have a distinct twist from what OG Orisa had, but you can easily see that they just crammed in what we enjoyed about Orisa into Ram.
I was a OW1 (a forever silver rank lol) player that was a tank player that mainly played Orisa/Zarya/Reinhart. Orisa was probably my favorite out of my mains. I didn't stick to competitive long enough for a season to earn more than one golden gun. My only golden gun went straight to Orisa. I loved her design, lore, kit, emotes, voice lines, etc. As you mentioned in your video, her kit was designed around her being a PROTECTOR. I would expand you point with that her voice lines and adorable emotes added to being a OW-skin Baymax. A character meant to help and protect normal citizens in a unintimidating way. It makes perfect sense that a child genius made her in such a way that a child wouldn't be afraid of and would feel safe around the robot horse lady. A lot of things did turn me off from OW2 (I never touched the game). At first, I decided to wait for the promised story mode. I'm more of a RPG than a first-person shooter gamer, and I adored the characters and wanted to see the story OW1 kept teasing us with. Then I saw it was 5v5 and only one tank. I loved playing off the other tank member of my team in OW1. Some plays were annoying (double shield for example) but it was nice to share the "tank responsibility". Instead it falling on one person on the team. A badly position tank back 6v6 could make you lose a team fight, I assume it is even more rough in 5v5. The final nail on me never downloading OW2 (other than no story mode), was Orisa's new gameplay. If I ever did pick up OW2, I knew I wouldn't enjoy her new kit. At the time, I just thought the spear replacing her shield/halt abilities didn't seem like Orisa I loved. Your video helped me explained WHY I felt that way. The OW2 Orisa does not feel like your friendly neighborhood protector.
Classic Orisa is both the reason I played Overwatch, and why I became a tank main. She used to be so adorable, and I miss bongo. I do like the skill shot though. Also, in low bronze, I've seen Orisa out of the gate in OW2.
Rein and Doom Mains: I hate playing against Orisa. Orisa: I was literally built to stop you. Also I have a better time playing orisa when she isn't hard meta like she has been for most of OW2. She's been good for like the past 5 seasons and I really don't like Orisa mirrors so it just kinda gets annoying.
I’m honestly glad you mentioned the story/character change that happened because of the abilities being changed. While I understand it was to keep Orisa afloat in the new format I think it’s particularly odd to have the protector become offensive. It just feels like Orisa fell for Doom’s ideology, “only through conflict to we evolve” when she is meant to be the antithesis to his character. Maybe I’m just bored of the mature jaded protector trope and thought her sweet optimism was a breath of fresh air.
I loved to play Orisa back in OW1, when she came out, I immediately fell in love with her and put in quite a bit of time to learn to play her. Then when OW2 came out and I saw she was reworked, I was super excited to learn how to play her in 5v5. Now shes literally the only tank I will play. If its not her, its Sigma. I'm the first pick Orisa, and all I do is play her aggressively. But in the elo I'm in (plat), with the entire enemy focusing me, my team never seems to understand that I'm pulling aggro, and they don't capitalize on it. People just assume that she's meant to be passive like she was before, but she can't be THAT passive anymore, and as the solo tank, people need to understand that the reason why she has so much survivability, is her lack of shielding. If I have healing on me, and I play normally, I never die. But if I'm always focused, with little no healing, I will always die. Some people just don't learn or listen and just claim she's terrible to play/play against instead of just thinking.
My heart goes out to those Overwatch 1 players Two tanks, God forbid they be actually good And I know those healers were working overtime. Two healers in OW2 are barely enough for a single tank and the team so TWO TANKS HAD THEM STRESSED LIKE PAYING BILLS
Brooo i became an Orisa main in OW1 i loved her so much, even in the depths of bronze (pirate ship gave me flashbacks ahaha). Honestly, I miss having a stationary shield to work around. And Halt!!! Halt was a wonderful ability. I Still miss it so much. I loved being able to whip around and pull an enemy dps away from my healer in thr backline when they called for help. I don't like the javelin as a trade for it (much harder to hit, for one) but I understand why they thought it was fairly equivalent. Your discussion of the change in the spirit of her character was spot on as well. She really really doesn't feel the same. But you're right that she's absolutely a counter-pick nowadays, which is so sad. I understood her old ult (esp as an otherwise Mercy main, it was damageboost, the ult), and I really struggle with how to use her new one. Hell, her new gameplay style is much faster now, more mobile, but... that wasn't her vibe? I liked a slow methodical playstyle. She was literally a tank of a tank. If you wanted to play a mobile tank, you picked D.Va. or now, Doom. You're so right about the Mauga counter. That's basically the only time I use her now. Ive gone from playing only Orisa/Rein as tank to basically being a D.va main and it makes me miss her. Give me my Protector of Numbani back. Even though they can't.
I really liked the video, I propose if you could make a video about Kiriko, because I feel that Blizzard is trying WAY to hard to make her the new face of OW2, from appearing in many promotion material, to being the OW2 added character to get more skins than others like Mauga or even Sojourn, to even replace Dva in the arcade tab
About the tabs in the menu, I do think the heroes showcased should be changed around a little. QP- Can stay Tracer, her abilities are blue, she's the face of the game like how QP is the main game mode Comp- Change it from Winston to Reaper, the competitive theme is literally the music from the "Alive" cinematic, red is Talon's color, Reaper has red in his abilities, he's somewhat of a tryhard Arcade- Put it back to Dva, she's literally a character who spends all her time playing games, like what you'd do in an arcade Custom- Keep it Sombra, the purple color and focus on altering the base game's code to create a personalized experience fits her
as a overwatch 1 orisa main (and stop playing sometime before ow2 was a thing), this is just a completely different character gameplay-wise, and by extension character-wise. honestly just feel sad for the character, so bizarre to see the once cute turtle-y protector centaur robot into a meta bully murder machine.
Lore reason why Orisa changed her kit is because Doomfist and Talon attacked Numbani several times. So she needed to upgrade to a more aggressive style
My first main was an Orisa main. I hardly lost a game with old Orisa, maybe it was because people werent good but i would like to think it was me and my twin theory crafting and couching each other. The number one thing we did was shield dance. Place a sheild 90° from majority of the team and dance back and fourth based on who and how they are attacking you. Go gold only when you need to but mostly to avoid status effect or bunker down. If you needed some breathing room just use a grab to pull them to the other side of the sheild. (Which makes it easy to finish them) most of the time you get your sheild back in time so you can loop for a very long time. BTW!! The grab on Ilios was so broken. They would see me and run off the point. I'd pull whole teams off the map and get the end of the game every time. Your whole team was on the point? You get dumpstered into the well again like Woody in toy story when andy didnt want to play with him any more. I swear my twin and I might of been the best Orisa at the time. When they nerfed the grab we still managed pretty well. New Orisa is really strong and gas survivability but there is one problem. She is kinda boring to play. You can boop off the map and javelining some one far away to finish them is funny but besides that there isnt much. You get better at her by surviving longer, being a constant source of damage and pushing people around. You can win easily if you get good but will you be having fun?
I feel like all my favorite heroes have been drastically changed from the reason I like them so much. I really liked Orisa in OW1 but now she’s a different hero. I liked Symmetra 2.0 and mass rez Mercy too but they also got changed completely. Zarya less so but I like her less since you don’t have another Tank. At least Echo is still the same
season 9 orisa was kinda insane, felt like if you werent playing tank if you went against orisa, it was a hell of just orisa vs orisa this new change has alot more tanks beening seen
I've been an orisa main since Ow1. In my experience, despite definitely liking how she's played in ow2, I absolutely prefer ow1. Her gun felt better, I liked helping teammates and protecting them, with being good about shield cool down, it just felt great.
So much of my idea of orisa is dominated by sigma I'm realizing. I forgot the halt hook was once a thing and before sigma people ran orisa REINHART of all things
Played during OW1 when she was added, I liked to think of her as the indirect addition of the Heavy from Team Fortress 2, and I believe that at the time she was a fun pick for when I did decide to play tank back then. I do however, stand by that her new abilities do not reflect her character presented in the lore and that now breaks immersion.
Talking as someone with almost 0 ranked experience, people DO pick orisa first on qp, but whats more annoying is that people WILL pick Orisa if they lose the first fight. I truly mean it, before all new characters were made acessible from the start i would play against orisa 0/10 time on qp because the second someone started losing they would change (Now its lower cause they dont change to orisa, the tank changes to mauga). The only exception was 1- tanks that were winning the entire game so stayed on whatever other tank they were playing or 2 - people who only play what they want not caring if its good or not (a thing thats surprisngly rare on qp, as people counterswap a lot on there) I really liked playing orisa in ow1 and kinda liked the rework at first, but as time went on i felt off the hype with it. i'm not sure what could be done to help with the horse, to some extension I feel she will always be like ow1 bastion in a way, where on qp and low ranks people will always just pick them when they dont want to lose. But in all honesty I am way more worried about mauga, im pretty sure they rebuffed the dps passive only because of him, the man is one of the most annoying tanks to deal with in qp.
orisa used to be my third most played character, behind dva and mercy. i LOVED playing as her, shielding my team from everything, but now she's so not my playstyle that she feels like a completely different character. why even still call her orisa at this point? "protector turned tyrant" is a very accurate way to describe what happened to her. i miss having more options for shield tanks than just rein and winston (and i guess kind of zarya and barely dva).
I didn't play OW2 but in OW1 Orisa was my Go To Tank. I probably didn't play her "optimally" but I had fun nonetheless, her kit and slow playstyle were really enjoyable for me in a game that can be very fast and overwhelming. A tank that focused almost entirely on defense was just really fun for me, I would always end up prioritizing the safety and survival of my team over myself because Orisa's very defensive nature allowed me to do that being almost always able to hold out for Just Long Enough. Honestly i almost viewed her as a semi support. Sure healers patch up damage when it's done but prevention is the best medicine and I like to thing OW1 Orisa did that well from when I played her, and well it fits the character story and personality too, a guardian. OW2 Orisa just sounds... not very fun, it sounds like another Rodhog situation, a DPS with a Tanks healthpool and endurance. Here's to the good memories I have of playing OW1 Orisa, the most fun tank character I ever played in any class shooter, you'll be missed.
I’ve always loved Orisa but for her overwatch one version to come back we need another tank because holy shit I can’t step out of spawn with out being ridden with bullet holes even if I tried
I’m glad that someone else is talking about how Orisa’s OW2 design is GARBAGE. They MASSACRED the horse. I wish they could somehow blend OW1 & OW2 designs together.
I haven't quite finished the video yet, but I think the best Orisa design- much like the best Bastion design- would be a mix of the two. Give her the Javelin spin she has now, the pull and shield she used to... And MAYBE keep the fortify if the turn it into a passive activated by crouching or even a small part of her spin and ult.
If they want to keep Javelin Toss, have it be a part of the Javelin Spin (like, press primary fire while spinning to toss Javelin) Fortify being a passive could work. Like "after taking X damage, automatically fortify then it goes on Cooldown"
Funny enough, orisas rework is the only rework so far that does happen in the actual lore as well. Efi made a combat update on orisa so she could go help the rest of the world ( and from the last released story about her, orisa and efi are gonna be joining overwatch). And the old orisa is not gone on lore, efi gave ow1 orisa abilities to the old units that orisa was inspired by, so now numbani can protect itself bc everyone has a ow1 orisa at home, while efi and orisa go fight null sector
Orisa was created to counter doomfist, so, there's some options. Option 1. Make Orisa an anti-dive tank. Give her abilities to restrict enemy mobility and a resistance to CC effects Option 2. Make her an anti-CC tank, with abilities designed around negating enemy crowd control effects, letting her serve as an anchor for the team Option 3. Give her every tool in the game to dominate the tank matchup without any abilities to protect her team whatsoever. Guess which option Blizzard went with
5:40 ...yeah, but they also increased the damage passive's anti-heal, which seems to be meant to target those two especially. this was one of three changes in the update
Orisas rework was disastrous. It RUINED her character design, from protector and supporter to a dps cc monster. Old orisa was one of my mains, but I can’t bear to play her anymore now that she feels like worse DVA. We need tanks that aren’t just larger DPS but blizzard doesn’t seem to understand that. Really sucks that she lost her identity from gentile giant police robot thing to Amazonian tribe woman that brutalizes everyone in her way
You want to hear my opinion? Well here it is: Orisa, the fuel of nightmares, the demon that plagues most of my comp games and the embodiment of the senator from MGRR. Down here in the nightmarish realm of gold its about 1/3 games you can see a walk out on her and most games my entire team (and I) can try and counter swap for them but her pure ability to stand still and have more strength than what appears to be a steel wall is crazy. She torments my team by running directly past tank and into the backlines and most of the time walks out alive with killing out supports too. Yeah I don't like her, I played ow1 (although not for the longest time) and she felt balanced(ish) but this new version is everything oppressive packed onto a character, ult shutdown? Javelin. CC? Javelin and spin. Anti CC and damage reduction? Fortify. She is strong, not unkillable but just enough to make playing overwatch feel like I'm pushing a rock up a hill only for it to roll back down and crush me. Thanks for reading my rant, share opinions in the replys if you want.
I think Orisa had the most drastic change out of any character in Overwatch history. Her current play style is basically the opposite of the first game. She went from a tank that just got bodied by every other tank in a 1v1 to no diffing most characters in the game
from a lore standpoint original orisa was very well designed, from a gameplay standpoint, orisa might have been one of the worst additions to overwatch that wasnt just sombra or brig
I really enjoyed your points and takes on orisa as a whole as well as the insight I gleaned from overwatch one orisa since I started in overwatch 2 and although you may not see this comment I'd be thrilled to see a reinhardt video from you in any capacity regardless take care.
I'm an Orisa main, have been since OW1 and still am even this far into OW2, and I gotta say... I agree with MOST of this video. I agree that changing her moveset was a massive blow to her personality and identity, even if it was mandatory for her to succeed in a 5v5 format. The peaceful protector has become a battle-hardened war hero. And not just in character design either, also in her new voicelines! She's become more hostile. [TRACER: How do you catch someone who's running away?] [ORISA: I will provide a demonstration! ...Start running.] I find it kinda removes what made her stand out from the rest of the Overwatch cast. Now she's just kinda "Battle Omnic No. something-or-other", rather than Numbani's gentle giant. However, I do have one issue with this video, and that's at the very end where you claim that Orisa doesn't protect her team anymore. And, while it's true she has no way to passively help her team, this doesn't mean she can't protect them. With Javelin Spin, you can push enemies away from teammates or eat up harmful projectiles such as Moira orbs and sleep darts. Fortify also allows you to bodyblock damage for your team, becoming a meat (or servo?) shield for your teammates. Just being alive forces the enemy team to focus on you, drawing attention away from your own team. Because if they don't, you can and will dish out damage fast, and can shut down enemies with your Energy Javelin. Overall, I'm a firm believer that Orisa should be played much more passively than people think. Charging into the enemy team, while distracting and disorienting, is a sure-fire way to leave your team without a tank. If you play passively and stick with the team, you can really cash in on Orisa's incredible survivability and THAT is how you protect your team as Orisa; by forcing enemies to focus you, lest they take heavy damage.
I'm plat 5 rn, and this is how almost every game goes. Every time the enemy tank dies just ONCE it's an orisa swap. It's really annoying having to play counterwatch in most of the matches I play.
I've been getting back into Overwatch recently, after a hiatus of like OW1 Hammond era I think. It's been really interesting learning what happened to my 2nd-most played Tank character. Not having the Grav Grab feels weird.
My main issue with orisa is that she forces the game to be played a certain way she has so much survivability with just reducing or blocking all dmg and being cc immune while being able to cc everything on a short cooldown which just makes her annoying and boring to fight
Before I start watching this. 1) Your videos are fantastic! Keep up the good work. 2) A moment of silence for my beloved bongo and halt. You will never be forgotten.
Regarding Orisa's lore and subsequent design: that's a non-issue. Her lore did change to reflect her rework, and there's literally an interaction between Orisa and Moira that touch upon this. She was a naïve 1 month year old robot, and has learned more since her creation, becoming a domineering beast. This can also be seen in her other interactions and voice lines as well. She grew up and had character development. That's a good thing, and very few of the cast actually had that. Ffs, DF didn't even have that, and he changed role completely.
My enjoyment of games drops off a cliff and into the mariana trench any time I see a counter swap Orisa. The "overstaying your welcome" applies to both how long they've been in this unfun state and how long they've been surviving on the fucking point
I would love to see you talk about the worse support thy even release and they refusal to properly buff him aka Lifeweaver. It would also be nice to see you talk about Brig’s entire existence and how much she changed since goats, Brig and Mercy are definitely the supports that most got changed since they released
Back in 20- when Orisa was new, I would never pick her. Then and now I'm an extremely casual Lucio main, but with weekly challenges, I was forced me to leave my comfort zone. So whenever I was on a KotH map and not playing Lucio, I would lament how I missed booping people off the edge. And then I found the best way for me to accomplish that as a tank is to play Orisa, and javelin spin and toss. It feels great.
I like the idea that she mirrors Doom, He jumps around like a psycho she stays mostly grounded. He has burst damage she has sustained. The spear is similar to Doom Punch ect. I just wish it was done better
Well, they did change her personality more to match her gameplay. In ow1 she was peaceful and friendly but not afraid to get her hands dirty, and in ow2 she seems a lot more confident and aggressive. It shows in her voice lines. I personally find her new personality pretty enjoyable
Since orisa is nerfed, finally, she's just a bastion now. This means high potential for short duration and mid potential for longer. I would say now orisa is a niche pick where you gotta know when to use cooldowns now instead of just popping it all the time. Because now, as a doomfist, I just win.
To comment on not seeing people lock in Orisa first, I see it happen a lot in the low metal ranks (I've been bouncing between mid bronze to high silver since the end of OW1 but still) because the T500 TH-camrs say that "Horse is busted" so they'll play Horse, and even with them being awful at managing cooldowns, they'll still win 9/10 times and it is obsurd. Like, just last night I lost a game because we had the enemy horse just camping our spawn for 5 minutes and no one on my team wanted to counterswap to deal with the Horse besides me *AND I WAS A SUPPORT!!!*
In OW2 Orisa is basically just a glorified DPS. Changing her original design was so unnecessary. They might as well have just made a new character with her current abilities. Fortify is the only thing even remotely similar to how it was. When I play her now I do really well, but it's not as fun as when defense had a purpose.
I think Orisa is the product of a much larger problem in overwatch. That being characters losing their identity because their identity is “problematic”. Sombras hack doesn’t feel like it really does much and isn’t really the focus of her kit like it used to be. Now she just does damage with virus plus smg and her ult does damage now to. Completely getting rid of the creativity that her old tool kit had. Bastions rework just took his fantasy of being a super powerful turret/transformer and just watered him down and replaced his ult with something no one wanted. Symmetra for the most part is ok, but she still suffers from every balance patch slowly turning the game into call of duty, but with heals and big people. The best example I can think of is her orbs. Before they moved slowly but could do good damage, it was a trade off. But over time they’ve become more like just a standard projectile. Moves fast, charges fast, smaller hit box. But orisa is probably one of the worst cases. She went from having a unique identity of being the protector to being like what every other tank is turning into. A really big damage dealer. (Mauga is the ultimate example of this). And I think that’s a fundamental flaw with both the 5v5 format of the game and blizzards design philosophy. Tanks have to be more homogeneous in order to have equal matchups and avoid counter swapping. Whereas in 6v6 you could have a road hog help apply pressure through damage and presence alone while having an orisa, rein, or sigma provide a more standard tank protector role. 5v5 doesn’t allow for this. Anyways, the point of my ramble is that characters don’t seem to be balanced on how unique and fun their identity is and I think that’s both an issue of how Blizzard chooses to balance characters and an issue of 5v5 forcing tank to HAVE to be balanced that way for viability. Thank you if you actually read this.
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I will say they made good on the lore in the gameplay being that orisa was designed to just fuck up doomfist's day and she's always been very good at that
She got a voiceline that is basically a middle finger to Doom
"Who said chivalry is dead?"
a crossing guard horse is more embarrassing to lose to than a freaking centaur
Let’s not forget to mention that not only is Orisa basically CC immune, she has 2 CC abilities to bully the enemy tank who for the most part AREN’T CC immune.
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Stop crying.
Try maugs charge it is legit unstopable by any knockback
@@uhhno841 it's different
@@zenitsuyaboi9879 it aint unlike rein he can dive squishies with 0 punishment orr stopping him
A friend told me something that I can no longer unsee
OW1 Orisa = Orisa originally
OW2 Orisa = Zack Snyder's Orisa
OW1 orisa = the iron giant
OW2 orisa = man of steel
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@@Anonymous-lv4diIt's a joke, this guy created Superman from Injustice if I'm not mistaken, So he's comparing Orisa as a benevolent character and wanting to help everyone she can like superman for a very offensive and controlling character in addition to being almost "evil" like Superman from injustice
I’m glad you mentioned the problems surrounding the spirit of her character - I miss the old Orisa! She was kinder and more protective. The new version just doesn’t feel like her anymore.
Because it's also part of her character in the comic, that's sort of the point, she had to change ony order to deal with doom
I’m not complaining :b
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I really dont see it tbh. I like the natural progression of the old sweet orisa to the more confident protector Orisa
@@TSGC16 Interesting perspective. I like it.
same. i really dont care what story reason they have for changing her personality, i dont like the new persona. same with mercy although i think hers was walked back partially.
Me and my squad just call her "I don't want to lose" instead of orisa
swapping to orisa = i gave up on rein 💔
Good god rein .... One of my favourite characters here. God Blizzard can't help him without major reworks.
Overwatch 1 Orisa was a peaceful protector but probably watched good much Batman and saw that saving Villians isn’t always the answer and got she tired of their bull and started using a spear to assert her dominance in Overwatch 2
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Yep! The original was boring and i love her evolution not only in her design but hey voice got deeper showing she's matured.
@@craigwolfe249 ah yes, matured into a murder machine
she got a spear now...
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used to love orisa in OW 1, she was an adorable cinnamon roll that would stomp you for bullying her team, now she IS the bully. ever since she picked up that javelin its like shes never come out of "red eyes mode" her ult doesnt even support her allies anymore its just beating down the opposition.
what happened to the crossing guard, puppy loving, cutie patootie i dumped hundreds of hours into?
Life like anything else
Had ramattra tired and didn't care for peace anymore and orisa probably got tired of criminals being irredeemable so she went for a more proactive approach, especially when she's designed to fight the biggest villain out there
@@sebastianrodriguez8992 she's designed to defend Numbani, not just fight doomfist. Plus, it's stated in lore that Efi, her creator, regularly modifies her artificial intelligence.
The original Orisa was a guardian, an anchor for the team who could punish enemies for overextending in the main fight. Now though, she's one of the most Rushdown brawler tanks in the game because her abilities incentivise getting into enemies faces to eat projectiles and fling them into walls. She's more doomfist than new doomfist
Og orisa was honestly better in every way
Same 😢God I miss old Orisa SO much. I was a Zarya and Dva two-trick but played Orisa when a shield was needed cause she was just my favorite of the 3 available at the time (Halt was so much fun to use.) Her kit now is just not the same. I'll still use her from time to time, but it's like she's just not the same Orisa.
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A thing about orisa I don't see people mentioning is that she is the product of hero design philosophy. Every role in ow has a couple of anti bullying characters. These characters are designed to be picked when you are being hard focused by a team and still let you get some value. Moira in support, torb in dps, and orisa in tank. These characters are never meant to make plays or go get value. They exist as an out for players who feel helpless during their match because x player is spawn killing them, or they are getting full dove, etc. The problem with a tank that does this is that tank skill expression is based on how much focus you can take without dying. So a character built to reduce frustration for being focused reduces the skill requirement for tanking as a whole.
I play here cause shes fun af
One of Orisa’s issues is she’s always been Blozzard’s go-to to try and rein in an unfun meta, which is part if why she’s so heavily stated. She lost her identity by her creator trying to make her the solution to a problem she was never asked to solve.
They tried to make her anti engage and while she does a good job of denying doom or Winston from doing their job, she ended up becoming way too stupidly good at denying anything she looks at
Well I remember before Orissa came out people were begging for more tanks and especially shield tanks, this is because everyone loves Reinhardt and to an extent Winston as such when a new shield tank was made people were ecstatic, funny how eventually they complained about double shield when in the early days all people were hoping for was a new shield tank, pretty much every "fan concept" tank hero had a shield. So I would say it makes plenty of sense why she was quite well recieved at the time.
Yeah, they wanted an alternative to Rein as the Main/Shield tank, forgetting you could double up, and shooting shields is never fun.
Honestly, I've come to realise the CC is Orisa's problem. If her abilities only did damage, but didn't CC, she'd be far less tilting to play against.
True she just is the CC specialist
Can eat cc and deal it all in one
spear the only thing that makes her so fun tho
@@SheLikesLoons Orisa is fun?
But then what would be her point? CCing people with the javelin is like half of her kit
@@pwpqwq7648 Being a brick wall
As an OW 1 orisa main, i LOVED her old playstyle. You could be far more aggressive with her than many people realised but you still had to be cautious. Barrier could be deployed forward as a place to run to, in the supports faces forcing them out of position at the cost of your defence and even triple barrier uptime tech at the start of a fight by predeploying barrier, shooting one up in the air to get it on cooldown so it dropped down when they were about to destroy the first and the cooldown being done by the time the second was taken out if you really wanted to hold a choke. it was a stationary barrier but it had skill expression.
halt giving you enviromental kills on entire groups of people even though it was such a slow and obvious ability was so satisfying and gave you a presence on the battlefield that was hard to replicate. it was dangerous, not because of the ability itself but because of the follow up that came after. it was an ability that baited your team into working together which is a miracle that OW2 could use.
And fortify. they have made it do too much in 2. before it was an outplay button for when a rein thought he could shatter you or almost a last stand where they have broken through all your defences so now you just have to stand in their face hoping that you get a kill or your barrier is back off cooldown. but now? it has so many effects its lost its identity (off the top of my head its: damage reduction, crit immunity, overhealth, slow, CC immunity, weapon overheat reduction.) its not a "last stand" its the run is screaming ability where you do everything better but not in a meaningful way that is enjoyable to use. you cant hold fortify to outplay, you have to just press it on cooldown so you can keep standing in the frontline.
Bongo was such an amazing ult, it was a teamwide nanoboost as long as you kept the thing alive, it was not a fight win but it tipped the odds in your favour. Terra surge is... fine. its not as bad as people claim but its just so uninteresting. its like a zarya grav but worse, it can chunk health like a sigma but sigma does it better. half the time you see a moment you want to use it you actualy cant because you have to stick yourself in the centre of the entire team and will explode long before you get to hit for meaningful damage. it gets you a kill on people that have overextended or lets you take the last bit of payload in overtime, there is no spectacle to it like the lightshow of a well placed bongo.
Now the javelin. why. what was the reasoning. orisa the gental protecter, you know what she needs? the ability to impale people from accross the map and slash people in the face over and over so hard that it pushes them away letting you trap them in a corner while you blend them to death. nothing says gentle better than that. i dont have much to say about them because, honestly, they are fine abilities, but why put them on orisa.
they have even had to rework her personality to make the new abilities fit her in the slightest. all her voicelines have become cold. she always had a warmth behind her, telling her team to "please stand behind the barrier" but now she doesnt have that, she just looks at completeing the task without much care for those around her. her voiceline where tracer asks how orisa can catch people, orisa says "i can give you a demonstration, start running" the start running isnt friendly or warm, its said almost as a threat which is just at odds to who she was and the characterisation she was given through the years of OW1. its a completely diffrent character, so much to the point that i wish they had just removed orisa from the game and came up with a new person to replace her instead of changing her to be unrecognisable. im still holding out hope that they bring back original orisa but they have dug themselves too deep at this point for be to belive it will happen.
OW1 Orisa was boring bffr
Ow1 was much more boring than 2. Also lore wise it's accurate, She's become more agressive, the development is there and it's good.
I’m going to use this for my phd research paper
@@idk-ye7ur I guess it makes sense for her to realize she might have to be more aggressive but not by this much
- i hadn’t touched orisa since overwatch 1.
- played her for the first time in overwatch 2 like a month ago.
- attempted to throw my shield running from spawn.
- pulled out a giant fking javelin????????
- lost the game.
was quite a culture shock
Orisa was has been my main since the day she released. I played her at a friend's house and Orisa alone was the reason I went home and Overwatch. For the entirely of OW1 she was my main, I'd say probably 90% of all my playtime was as her. I was not playing Overwatch, I was playing Orisawatch. I've never been super into shooters, so I loved having a big tanky character built around assisting my team, not just killing the enemy team.
When OW2 came out I was genuinely distraught for a day, and it still frustrates me to this day that they essentially removed the primary reason I played OW. Since then, I've expanded my hero usage and actually like playing some DPS and healers, and I've gotten better at shooters in general, so I don't entirely mind her new kit, but it still bugs me how much they changed my beloved robot.
Same 😢The sentiment is so felt. She went from anti-bully to being the bully. I miss my cutie patootie robot.
As an OG Overwatch 1 player I really miss the Halt
Me too. It was fun pulling people off the map and setting them up for a rein shatter or tracer bomb, or to get them out of my face since she didn’t have javelins spin at the time.
Just ult off the cliff bro
I nicknamed Orisa "The Fun Police" because anytime I'm having fun on Rein or by some miracle I'm actually popping off on him, suddenly a Cow shows up and sucks the fun out of the entire match. It's such a fucking drag to play against Cow, especially considering that I'm a low ranked metal player (Gold 5) and I'm mostly on the casual/fun side of the game and while I understand that losing is not fun but having my pick permanently invalidated because there is a Cow and my team is not really familiar with the idea of picking the supports off it usually just boils down to a slog of a game. I used to be a hardcore tank main and in that sense mostly playing the older tanks Hog/Rein with the occasional monkey or sometimes Ram. But recently I sort of migrated over to playing DPS cuz whenever I have a good day and I have the chemistry with the randoms on my team it just ends cuz Cow.
Dude same but with sombra instead. Everytime I play support or a backline DPS I find out they have a sombra. I just want to improve my aim but I improve slower when I have to mute everything but something that lets me know where sombra is and I still get killed. I'm not even sure what I have to listen for to find her other then footsteps and it never works
most fun characters have a "fun police" counter, it honestly sucks. i play the chars i like and im not someone who gets frustrated by losing, but its not fun when you're dead 90% of the match 😐i don't even want to win, i just want to play the goddamn game
Between ow1 and ow2 orisa woke up and chose violence
I just think it's funny how she went from a bunker down tank to basically a dive tank
19:16 I think they should make the size of her behind bigger. You know, to protect the teammates behind her. Also remove the inability to receive critical hits when in fortify. But as a replacement, fortifying will allow her to expand/inflate her chest area to protect her head hitbox.
do not google "orisa inflation"
I know exactly which videos you've been watching....
Honestly, i think the main thing making her so gosh darn hard to kill, is that she'll fortify, and then spinblock/run right after to nulify most dmg for about 6 secs or so. and then you have a window to hurt/kill her before the cd's are off again.
But damn if it aint heartbreaking to be having fun as a rein/doom/hammond, only for the enemy tank to swap to Orisa in QP.
That's why she got nerfed cause healers could make her immortal during that window and repeat over and over, why no one really tried to play anything else in league and her damage output is ridiculous. Be like making soldier 76 a tank
I loved OW1 Orisa. I didn't play much tank but she was in my most played characters bc she was so unique. I loved turtling in/out of shield and yes, halt combos were very fun
3:05 if someone held a gun to my head and told me to hit a javelin throw, tell my family i love them
orisa and maug are THE "lose the first fight now im gonna ruin the other tanks day"
Honestly sucks that the only way that I can get some semblance of her OG gameplay is through Ramattra.
The Primary Fire, Barrier, and CC all have a distinct twist from what OG Orisa had, but you can easily see that they just crammed in what we enjoyed about Orisa into Ram.
I was a OW1 (a forever silver rank lol) player that was a tank player that mainly played Orisa/Zarya/Reinhart. Orisa was probably my favorite out of my mains. I didn't stick to competitive long enough for a season to earn more than one golden gun. My only golden gun went straight to Orisa.
I loved her design, lore, kit, emotes, voice lines, etc. As you mentioned in your video, her kit was designed around her being a PROTECTOR. I would expand you point with that her voice lines and adorable emotes added to being a OW-skin Baymax. A character meant to help and protect normal citizens in a unintimidating way. It makes perfect sense that a child genius made her in such a way that a child wouldn't be afraid of and would feel safe around the robot horse lady.
A lot of things did turn me off from OW2 (I never touched the game). At first, I decided to wait for the promised story mode. I'm more of a RPG than a first-person shooter gamer, and I adored the characters and wanted to see the story OW1 kept teasing us with. Then I saw it was 5v5 and only one tank. I loved playing off the other tank member of my team in OW1. Some plays were annoying (double shield for example) but it was nice to share the "tank responsibility". Instead it falling on one person on the team. A badly position tank back 6v6 could make you lose a team fight, I assume it is even more rough in 5v5.
The final nail on me never downloading OW2 (other than no story mode), was Orisa's new gameplay. If I ever did pick up OW2, I knew I wouldn't enjoy her new kit. At the time, I just thought the spear replacing her shield/halt abilities didn't seem like Orisa I loved. Your video helped me explained WHY I felt that way. The OW2 Orisa does not feel like your friendly neighborhood protector.
Classic Orisa is both the reason I played Overwatch, and why I became a tank main. She used to be so adorable, and I miss bongo. I do like the skill shot though. Also, in low bronze, I've seen Orisa out of the gate in OW2.
Rein and Doom Mains: I hate playing against Orisa.
Orisa: I was literally built to stop you.
Also I have a better time playing orisa when she isn't hard meta like she has been for most of OW2. She's been good for like the past 5 seasons and I really don't like Orisa mirrors so it just kinda gets annoying.
I’m honestly glad you mentioned the story/character change that happened because of the abilities being changed. While I understand it was to keep Orisa afloat in the new format I think it’s particularly odd to have the protector become offensive.
It just feels like Orisa fell for Doom’s ideology, “only through conflict to we evolve” when she is meant to be the antithesis to his character. Maybe I’m just bored of the mature jaded protector trope and thought her sweet optimism was a breath of fresh air.
I loved to play Orisa back in OW1, when she came out, I immediately fell in love with her and put in quite a bit of time to learn to play her. Then when OW2 came out and I saw she was reworked, I was super excited to learn how to play her in 5v5.
Now shes literally the only tank I will play. If its not her, its Sigma. I'm the first pick Orisa, and all I do is play her aggressively. But in the elo I'm in (plat), with the entire enemy focusing me, my team never seems to understand that I'm pulling aggro, and they don't capitalize on it. People just assume that she's meant to be passive like she was before, but she can't be THAT passive anymore, and as the solo tank, people need to understand that the reason why she has so much survivability, is her lack of shielding. If I have healing on me, and I play normally, I never die. But if I'm always focused, with little no healing, I will always die. Some people just don't learn or listen and just claim she's terrible to play/play against instead of just thinking.
My heart goes out to those Overwatch 1 players
Two tanks, God forbid they be actually good
And I know those healers were working overtime. Two healers in OW2 are barely enough for a single tank and the team so TWO TANKS HAD THEM STRESSED LIKE PAYING BILLS
Brooo i became an Orisa main in OW1 i loved her so much, even in the depths of bronze (pirate ship gave me flashbacks ahaha). Honestly, I miss having a stationary shield to work around. And Halt!!! Halt was a wonderful ability. I Still miss it so much. I loved being able to whip around and pull an enemy dps away from my healer in thr backline when they called for help. I don't like the javelin as a trade for it (much harder to hit, for one) but I understand why they thought it was fairly equivalent. Your discussion of the change in the spirit of her character was spot on as well. She really really doesn't feel the same.
But you're right that she's absolutely a counter-pick nowadays, which is so sad. I understood her old ult (esp as an otherwise Mercy main, it was damageboost, the ult), and I really struggle with how to use her new one.
Hell, her new gameplay style is much faster now, more mobile, but... that wasn't her vibe? I liked a slow methodical playstyle. She was literally a tank of a tank. If you wanted to play a mobile tank, you picked D.Va. or now, Doom.
You're so right about the Mauga counter. That's basically the only time I use her now. Ive gone from playing only Orisa/Rein as tank to basically being a D.va main and it makes me miss her. Give me my Protector of Numbani back. Even though they can't.
I really liked the video, I propose if you could make a video about Kiriko, because I feel that Blizzard is trying WAY to hard to make her the new face of OW2, from appearing in many promotion material, to being the OW2 added character to get more skins than others like Mauga or even Sojourn, to even replace Dva in the arcade tab
About the tabs in the menu, I do think the heroes showcased should be changed around a little.
QP- Can stay Tracer, her abilities are blue, she's the face of the game like how QP is the main game mode
Comp- Change it from Winston to Reaper, the competitive theme is literally the music from the "Alive" cinematic, red is Talon's color, Reaper has red in his abilities, he's somewhat of a tryhard
Arcade- Put it back to Dva, she's literally a character who spends all her time playing games, like what you'd do in an arcade
Custom- Keep it Sombra, the purple color and focus on altering the base game's code to create a personalized experience fits her
as a overwatch 1 orisa main (and stop playing sometime before ow2 was a thing), this is just a completely different character gameplay-wise, and by extension character-wise.
honestly just feel sad for the character, so bizarre to see the once cute turtle-y protector centaur robot into a meta bully murder machine.
Lore reason why Orisa changed her kit is because Doomfist and Talon attacked Numbani several times. So she needed to upgrade to a more aggressive style
yeah it's weird that he just ignores all the interactions in OW2 saying that orisa is done taking shit
My first main was an Orisa main. I hardly lost a game with old Orisa, maybe it was because people werent good but i would like to think it was me and my twin theory crafting and couching each other. The number one thing we did was shield dance. Place a sheild 90° from majority of the team and dance back and fourth based on who and how they are attacking you. Go gold only when you need to but mostly to avoid status effect or bunker down. If you needed some breathing room just use a grab to pull them to the other side of the sheild. (Which makes it easy to finish them) most of the time you get your sheild back in time so you can loop for a very long time. BTW!! The grab on Ilios was so broken. They would see me and run off the point. I'd pull whole teams off the map and get the end of the game every time. Your whole team was on the point? You get dumpstered into the well again like Woody in toy story when andy didnt want to play with him any more. I swear my twin and I might of been the best Orisa at the time. When they nerfed the grab we still managed pretty well.
New Orisa is really strong and gas survivability but there is one problem. She is kinda boring to play. You can boop off the map and javelining some one far away to finish them is funny but besides that there isnt much. You get better at her by surviving longer, being a constant source of damage and pushing people around. You can win easily if you get good but will you be having fun?
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I’d love to see a video about Doomfist’s transition from DPS to tank
I feel like all my favorite heroes have been drastically changed from the reason I like them so much. I really liked Orisa in OW1 but now she’s a different hero. I liked Symmetra 2.0 and mass rez Mercy too but they also got changed completely. Zarya less so but I like her less since you don’t have another Tank. At least Echo is still the same
season 9 orisa was kinda insane, felt like if you werent playing tank if you went against orisa, it was a hell of just orisa vs orisa this new change has alot more tanks beening seen
I've been an orisa main since Ow1. In my experience, despite definitely liking how she's played in ow2, I absolutely prefer ow1. Her gun felt better, I liked helping teammates and protecting them, with being good about shield cool down, it just felt great.
So much of my idea of orisa is dominated by sigma I'm realizing. I forgot the halt hook was once a thing and before sigma people ran orisa REINHART of all things
They should have made her have the null sec purple skin since she is more of a terminator than a protector now.
Trying to kill an Orisa in role queue really makes you feel like Sisyphus
Played during OW1 when she was added, I liked to think of her as the indirect addition of the Heavy from Team Fortress 2, and I believe that at the time she was a fun pick for when I did decide to play tank back then. I do however, stand by that her new abilities do not reflect her character presented in the lore and that now breaks immersion.
Talking as someone with almost 0 ranked experience, people DO pick orisa first on qp, but whats more annoying is that people WILL pick Orisa if they lose the first fight. I truly mean it, before all new characters were made acessible from the start i would play against orisa 0/10 time on qp because the second someone started losing they would change (Now its lower cause they dont change to orisa, the tank changes to mauga). The only exception was 1- tanks that were winning the entire game so stayed on whatever other tank they were playing or 2 - people who only play what they want not caring if its good or not (a thing thats surprisngly rare on qp, as people counterswap a lot on there)
I really liked playing orisa in ow1 and kinda liked the rework at first, but as time went on i felt off the hype with it. i'm not sure what could be done to help with the horse, to some extension I feel she will always be like ow1 bastion in a way, where on qp and low ranks people will always just pick them when they dont want to lose. But in all honesty I am way more worried about mauga, im pretty sure they rebuffed the dps passive only because of him, the man is one of the most annoying tanks to deal with in qp.
I finally found some people whom use their mics and it has made OW2 so much better. Even in comp. It makes a huge difference in gameplay.
orisa used to be my third most played character, behind dva and mercy. i LOVED playing as her, shielding my team from everything, but now she's so not my playstyle that she feels like a completely different character. why even still call her orisa at this point? "protector turned tyrant" is a very accurate way to describe what happened to her. i miss having more options for shield tanks than just rein and winston (and i guess kind of zarya and barely dva).
yess! she's more offensive than ramattra, that's so weird to me
I didn't play OW2 but in OW1 Orisa was my Go To Tank. I probably didn't play her "optimally" but I had fun nonetheless, her kit and slow playstyle were really enjoyable for me in a game that can be very fast and overwhelming. A tank that focused almost entirely on defense was just really fun for me, I would always end up prioritizing the safety and survival of my team over myself because Orisa's very defensive nature allowed me to do that being almost always able to hold out for Just Long Enough. Honestly i almost viewed her as a semi support. Sure healers patch up damage when it's done but prevention is the best medicine and I like to thing OW1 Orisa did that well from when I played her, and well it fits the character story and personality too, a guardian. OW2 Orisa just sounds... not very fun, it sounds like another Rodhog situation, a DPS with a Tanks healthpool and endurance. Here's to the good memories I have of playing OW1 Orisa, the most fun tank character I ever played in any class shooter, you'll be missed.
bros getting these videos out so quick
I’ve always loved Orisa but for her overwatch one version to come back we need another tank because holy shit I can’t step out of spawn with out being ridden with bullet holes even if I tried
I’m glad that someone else is talking about how Orisa’s OW2 design is GARBAGE. They MASSACRED the horse. I wish they could somehow blend OW1 & OW2 designs together.
I haven't quite finished the video yet, but I think the best Orisa design- much like the best Bastion design- would be a mix of the two.
Give her the Javelin spin she has now, the pull and shield she used to... And MAYBE keep the fortify if the turn it into a passive activated by crouching or even a small part of her spin and ult.
If they want to keep Javelin Toss, have it be a part of the Javelin Spin (like, press primary fire while spinning to toss Javelin)
Fortify being a passive could work. Like "after taking X damage, automatically fortify then it goes on Cooldown"
i think bastion needs some type of cc inmmunity
God i miss og original orisa so much. My most fun was playing with premades and coordinating halt combos
Orisa being a Protector was so much cooler and more interesting than a Tyrant.
Funny enough, orisas rework is the only rework so far that does happen in the actual lore as well. Efi made a combat update on orisa so she could go help the rest of the world ( and from the last released story about her, orisa and efi are gonna be joining overwatch). And the old orisa is not gone on lore, efi gave ow1 orisa abilities to the old units that orisa was inspired by, so now numbani can protect itself bc everyone has a ow1 orisa at home, while efi and orisa go fight null sector
Orisa was created to counter doomfist, so, there's some options.
Option 1. Make Orisa an anti-dive tank. Give her abilities to restrict enemy mobility and a resistance to CC effects
Option 2. Make her an anti-CC tank, with abilities designed around negating enemy crowd control effects, letting her serve as an anchor for the team
Option 3. Give her every tool in the game to dominate the tank matchup without any abilities to protect her team whatsoever.
Guess which option Blizzard went with
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...yeah, but they also increased the damage passive's anti-heal, which seems to be meant to target those two especially. this was one of three changes in the update
Orisas rework was disastrous. It RUINED her character design, from protector and supporter to a dps cc monster. Old orisa was one of my mains, but I can’t bear to play her anymore now that she feels like worse DVA. We need tanks that aren’t just larger DPS but blizzard doesn’t seem to understand that. Really sucks that she lost her identity from gentile giant police robot thing to Amazonian tribe woman that brutalizes everyone in her way
I'm loving this set of videos.
Rmemeber when orisa was strong and they were like lets take her fall off damage at range away. Why do we need sniper orisa. Pls Blizzard.
You want to hear my opinion? Well here it is:
Orisa, the fuel of nightmares, the demon that plagues most of my comp games and the embodiment of the senator from MGRR. Down here in the nightmarish realm of gold its about 1/3 games you can see a walk out on her and most games my entire team (and I) can try and counter swap for them but her pure ability to stand still and have more strength than what appears to be a steel wall is crazy. She torments my team by running directly past tank and into the backlines and most of the time walks out alive with killing out supports too.
Yeah I don't like her, I played ow1 (although not for the longest time) and she felt balanced(ish) but this new version is everything oppressive packed onto a character, ult shutdown? Javelin. CC? Javelin and spin. Anti CC and damage reduction? Fortify. She is strong, not unkillable but just enough to make playing overwatch feel like I'm pushing a rock up a hill only for it to roll back down and crush me.
Thanks for reading my rant, share opinions in the replys if you want.
I'd argue that the best form of protection is destroying your enemies before they can harm your team. Can't deal damage if they're dead lol.
Bro's grinding away! love to see it!
That log-book segment was actually goated also hahahaha
I think Orisa had the most drastic change out of any character in Overwatch history. Her current play style is basically the opposite of the first game. She went from a tank that just got bodied by every other tank in a 1v1 to no diffing most characters in the game
from a lore standpoint original orisa was very well designed, from a gameplay standpoint, orisa might have been one of the worst additions to overwatch that wasnt just sombra or brig
I really enjoyed your points and takes on orisa as a whole as well as the insight I gleaned from overwatch one orisa since I started in overwatch 2 and although you may not see this comment I'd be thrilled to see a reinhardt video from you in any capacity regardless take care.
I'm an Orisa main, have been since OW1 and still am even this far into OW2, and I gotta say... I agree with MOST of this video.
I agree that changing her moveset was a massive blow to her personality and identity, even if it was mandatory for her to succeed in a 5v5 format. The peaceful protector has become a battle-hardened war hero. And not just in character design either, also in her new voicelines! She's become more hostile.
[TRACER: How do you catch someone who's running away?]
[ORISA: I will provide a demonstration! ...Start running.]
I find it kinda removes what made her stand out from the rest of the Overwatch cast. Now she's just kinda "Battle Omnic No. something-or-other", rather than Numbani's gentle giant.
However, I do have one issue with this video, and that's at the very end where you claim that Orisa doesn't protect her team anymore. And, while it's true she has no way to passively help her team, this doesn't mean she can't protect them. With Javelin Spin, you can push enemies away from teammates or eat up harmful projectiles such as Moira orbs and sleep darts. Fortify also allows you to bodyblock damage for your team, becoming a meat (or servo?) shield for your teammates.
Just being alive forces the enemy team to focus on you, drawing attention away from your own team. Because if they don't, you can and will dish out damage fast, and can shut down enemies with your Energy Javelin.
Overall, I'm a firm believer that Orisa should be played much more passively than people think. Charging into the enemy team, while distracting and disorienting, is a sure-fire way to leave your team without a tank. If you play passively and stick with the team, you can really cash in on Orisa's incredible survivability and THAT is how you protect your team as Orisa; by forcing enemies to focus you, lest they take heavy damage.
Get mental help
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Orisa is now a stronger superheroine
Orisa is now a stronger superheroine
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Friendly reminder that OG Sig could INSTANTLY deploy, recall, and redeploy his shield.
And the barrier had way more hp I don’t remember the exact amount but it was like 1k at least
Nothing fills me with more irrational rage than being hit or pushed back with Orisa’s stupid javelin
Hey, can you-
*Becomes crit immune*
...Okay, that's a no.
I'm plat 5 rn, and this is how almost every game goes. Every time the enemy tank dies just ONCE it's an orisa swap. It's really annoying having to play counterwatch in most of the matches I play.
omg I immediately noticed that the Ramattra in the intro is actually me- that's amazing haha
good game LMAO
I've been getting back into Overwatch recently, after a hiatus of like OW1 Hammond era I think. It's been really interesting learning what happened to my 2nd-most played Tank character. Not having the Grav Grab feels weird.
My main issue with orisa is that she forces the game to be played a certain way she has so much survivability with just reducing or blocking all dmg and being cc immune while being able to cc everything on a short cooldown which just makes her annoying and boring to fight
Before I start watching this.
1) Your videos are fantastic! Keep up the good work.
2) A moment of silence for my beloved bongo and halt. You will never be forgotten.
Regarding Orisa's lore and subsequent design: that's a non-issue.
Her lore did change to reflect her rework, and there's literally an interaction between Orisa and Moira that touch upon this.
She was a naïve 1 month year old robot, and has learned more since her creation, becoming a domineering beast. This can also be seen in her other interactions and voice lines as well. She grew up and had character development. That's a good thing, and very few of the cast actually had that. Ffs, DF didn't even have that, and he changed role completely.
Now Doomfist is a stronger supervillain
Now Doomfist is a stronger supervillain
Offscreen character deveopment isn't a good thing tho, if you want character that got development well i think Symmetra is the best example.
My enjoyment of games drops off a cliff and into the mariana trench any time I see a counter swap Orisa.
The "overstaying your welcome" applies to both how long they've been in this unfun state and how long they've been surviving on the fucking point
She could’ve stayed a protector if the game wasn’t 5v5
Awww! Seeing some of this footage makes me miss DPS Doomfist again.
I would love to see you talk about the worse support thy even release and they refusal to properly buff him aka Lifeweaver.
It would also be nice to see you talk about Brig’s entire existence and how much she changed since goats, Brig and Mercy are definitely the supports that most got changed since they released
Also, this video taught me her javelin spin did still absorb damage. I absolutely thought they just robbed her of a shield, and was mad about it.
Back in 20- when Orisa was new, I would never pick her. Then and now I'm an extremely casual Lucio main, but with weekly challenges, I was forced me to leave my comfort zone.
So whenever I was on a KotH map and not playing Lucio, I would lament how I missed booping people off the edge. And then I found the best way for me to accomplish that as a tank is to play Orisa, and javelin spin and toss. It feels great.
I like the idea that she mirrors Doom, He jumps around like a psycho she stays mostly grounded. He has burst damage she has sustained. The spear is similar to Doom Punch ect. I just wish it was done better
15:23 YOOOO NICE SHOT
Well, they did change her personality more to match her gameplay. In ow1 she was peaceful and friendly but not afraid to get her hands dirty, and in ow2 she seems a lot more confident and aggressive. It shows in her voice lines. I personally find her new personality pretty enjoyable
Orisa went from the prtector of numbani to being a part of null sector at least kit wise.
10/10 throwing, was expecting more horse puns tho
I just played The overwatch2, but I absolutely love and I don't know how in my first game with her I got The píxel spray
8:15 footage from OWWC, I think none of those players are playing professionally anymore.*
*I imagine Leave would be Chinese OW was still a thing.
Since orisa is nerfed, finally, she's just a bastion now. This means high potential for short duration and mid potential for longer. I would say now orisa is a niche pick where you gotta know when to use cooldowns now instead of just popping it all the time. Because now, as a doomfist, I just win.
To comment on not seeing people lock in Orisa first, I see it happen a lot in the low metal ranks (I've been bouncing between mid bronze to high silver since the end of OW1 but still) because the T500 TH-camrs say that "Horse is busted" so they'll play Horse, and even with them being awful at managing cooldowns, they'll still win 9/10 times and it is obsurd.
Like, just last night I lost a game because we had the enemy horse just camping our spawn for 5 minutes and no one on my team wanted to counterswap to deal with the Horse besides me
*AND I WAS A SUPPORT!!!*
OW1 Orisa = inoffensive with interesting elements
OW2 Orisa = send that abomination to the glue factory
As a player that played both ow1 and ow2 i really like new Orisa and that she became so aggressive x)
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Did orisa really just save enemy genji, I’m starting to think she was the inspiration to sabotaging life weaver
that genji was either
1: going to escape back to spawn
2: jumping off to not feed the ult charge.
halting there also adds a few seconds of stagger too
In OW2 Orisa is basically just a glorified DPS. Changing her original design was so unnecessary. They might as well have just made a new character with her current abilities. Fortify is the only thing even remotely similar to how it was. When I play her now I do really well, but it's not as fun as when defense had a purpose.
One comment I remember when she came out people were up and arms about her halt
This video double shielded my OW1 PTSD and gave it to the next person
I think Orisa is the product of a much larger problem in overwatch. That being characters losing their identity because their identity is “problematic”. Sombras hack doesn’t feel like it really does much and isn’t really the focus of her kit like it used to be. Now she just does damage with virus plus smg and her ult does damage now to. Completely getting rid of the creativity that her old tool kit had. Bastions rework just took his fantasy of being a super powerful turret/transformer and just watered him down and replaced his ult with something no one wanted. Symmetra for the most part is ok, but she still suffers from every balance patch slowly turning the game into call of duty, but with heals and big people. The best example I can think of is her orbs. Before they moved slowly but could do good damage, it was a trade off. But over time they’ve become more like just a standard projectile. Moves fast, charges fast, smaller hit box. But orisa is probably one of the worst cases. She went from having a unique identity of being the protector to being like what every other tank is turning into. A really big damage dealer. (Mauga is the ultimate example of this). And I think that’s a fundamental flaw with both the 5v5 format of the game and blizzards design philosophy. Tanks have to be more homogeneous in order to have equal matchups and avoid counter swapping. Whereas in 6v6 you could have a road hog help apply pressure through damage and presence alone while having an orisa, rein, or sigma provide a more standard tank protector role. 5v5 doesn’t allow for this.
Anyways, the point of my ramble is that characters don’t seem to be balanced on how unique and fun their identity is and I think that’s both an issue of how Blizzard chooses to balance characters and an issue of 5v5 forcing tank to HAVE to be balanced that way for viability.
Thank you if you actually read this.
most of the characters in this game have a story that goes like ""God forbid people have fun