Top Thrill 2 or TT2 return date and what’s going on with the new ride.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2024
- Let’s talk about the possibilities of whey this new ride is down and how long it might be down for.
Warning, The views and opinions expressed by Ryan the Ride mechanic are just that, his views and opinions. Ryan the ride mechanic has no affiliation or connection to either Zamperla or Cedar point.
To say, take this information with a grain of salt, is a dramatic understatement.
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This was so entertaining 🤣. I’m so pleased you said that this is not just Zamperla. The amount of hate comments is frustrating.
The wheels got my eyes when they showed off their trains. The wheels are so large and look different to traditional train wheels?
@@CoastersThrillsAndAirtimeHills wheels are shiny and blessed by the lord himself (holy) haha! I’d love to find out what the true problem is because the trains look so good. And everyone says they are comfy.
@@ryantheridemechanic I would love to get to ride it one day!
@@CoastersThrillsAndAirtimeHills me to! Need to make my way out there. Short flight or 11hr drive for me.
@@ryantheridemechanic 3 flights for me 🤣. One of them long haul ha!
Zamperla watching this: “write that down, write that down!”
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I'd like to contact this guy to join the team ASAP
Ha!
Millwright here. So great to find a good mechanical diag of this problem. Thanks man
Your welcome!
Informative video! Cedar Point should just link this video on their TT2 status page.
Absolutely loved your humor mixed with articulate insight! I was trying to wind down and relax for bed while watching this; ended up wide awake in interest. Thanks!!
Great explanation and graphics. Same problem with MF. From what I remember, they would take a train out of service, and change the wheels. They had a crew of workers ready to go.
don't forget, any new ride is going to have issues at open, this is a prototype train on a prototype ride, it's going to have plenty of new issues that they have to figure out
Once again, such a cool video from you! I especially loved the little "Ryan at Work" clips near the beginning of the video, and I'd love to see more of them. Keep it up!
I do enjoy those. But my mind has to be in the right place. Forced comedy is not funny at all.
Have another subscription! This was my first encounter with your channel and, as a Physics graduate and coaster enthusiast, it was absolutely fascinating!
The way you explain it really makes sense. We got 1 ride on it, if you havent rode it yet, just wait! Its amazing!
Thank you so much for this video. I am home sick and this is the perfect video to just relax and vibe and deep dive into my special interest. Your voice is very relaxing.
Yesterday I rode rugarou and saw from the top of the lift hill TT2’s brand new wheel sets unboxed on the ground next to the blue train, I am almost certain wheels are this trains achilles heel currently
Very common with prototypes
lmao DOBA, Dead-on Balls-accurate. Thanks for the new vocab word!
Ha! I’ll be looking for that in RCDB haha!
Pretty sure that's from "My Cousin Vinny"
@@sumguy8 I’ll have to look
@@ryantheridemechanic I checked for you, and yes it is from My Cousin Vinny. Great term
@@sumguy8 haha! “Did you say you’ts?“ funny movie.
Congrats on 5k!
I always love watching your videos. Keep up the good work
Thank you!
Thank you for the run down, I am looking forward to seeing what the outcome is - I am glad I did not plan for a trip for this ride this soon.
Zamperla did just jump balls in on a huge project. I commend them for trying it. On a coaster geek note- my top 5 favorite coasters are all Intamin.❤
....most informative speculative TT2 video ALL DAY........!!!!
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Thank you
Always look for the opinions of the Ryans with stuff like this. Thanks for the insight!
Your welcome!
Titan when it opened at six flags over Texas had a similar issue with the running wheels being worn down due to excessive heat. I worked at the original Texas Giant at the time and the crew and really any employee in the park would know when a wheel or wheels failed because it sounded like the loudest B&M roar that would echo throughout the park. The water misters that were put in place at the end of the break run to cool the wheels were not sufficient, so the park had to bring new wheels with the different composition you mentioned and subsequently the ride was out of commission until those arrived.
Very nice video. Thanks for posting and have a nice day too.
Thanks, you to!
Thank u for explaining all that to all of us. Your video is amazing 😍
Thank you!
@@ryantheridemechanic Your very welcome ! 😀 I'm going up to Cedar point this Tuesday May 21st for Arc of Ohio Day and I'm sad that I won't get to ride on Top Thrill 2 ! I Love Going to Cedar point but that was the one ride I was really wanting to go on !!! But I'll go back up when Top Thrill 2 opens back up as well whenever that maybe 🤔 It will be my first time riding on it when it opens back up
@@lesliepearson7711 look at the bright side. The park is still absolutely amazing to be at. Plan on not riding, and if they can open it it will be the ultimate bonus!!!
Fantastic video illustrating the possible issues with TT2. I just subbed to get you closer to your subscriber goal lol. You have very good sense of humor by the way.
Haha! Thank you. Did you look down when I said that?
@@ryantheridemechanic Yes absolutely I did lol.
@@charvelgaming2975 haha! Well thank you very much! And welcome home!
I’m hoping the park gets the issues fixed. I kinda expected this to happen tbh.
They will get it fixed I’m sure! Can’t wait to hear about the ACTUAL problem in the future.
@@ryantheridemechanicme too
That ride needed to be demolished a long time ago. Piece of SHIT
@@ryantheridemechanicThat ride itself is the problem.
Phenomenal video you know your stuff!
It's good to hear an expert. I was looking forward to it. It would have been great if you could've experienced Dragster and a Rollback, and to ride TT2. I could get typically informative 5000 characters comment detailed, but lets leave it at this lol...
I rode TT2 on a preview day. Excellent weather 5pm, row 5 is a good test since it's more in the middle, load-side seat, my favorite side since that means no catwalk, sort of stapled in. Airtime? Where-time? A bit during he stall in the rear tower. My TT2 ride was very rough & shaky side-to-side. Unpleasant. TT2 wagon wheels are huge. It felt like I was too high off the track, I think contributed to the rough ride.
You feel safe in line and around the ride.
TTD by comparison, was extremely smooth. I rode it hundreds of times, with one rollback stalled from the top. I prefer the 0-120mph zip of the cable launched twist then straight to the top 17 seconds of a smooth "Top Thrill." I'd pay to ride Dragster with a guaranteed rollback (people pay for SlingShot $20+$20 video and other up-charge attractions). I won't often pay for a TT2 $3/2hr or $5.4, $2/1hr OT locker lol Note: No loose articles are allowed on TT2, technically a locker receipt is, so I kept mine in the locker lol The attendant said he had no issues yet. When TT2 stops operations temporarily, he sets his phone timer, so riders get that time back. I prefer TTD's thinner wrap-around seat and freer feeling, which contributed to its Rollback experience of your back pressing against the high seat back.
For my documentation contributions, I uploaded the web cam of the switch track, I'll upload the switch track close-up in action, that and the web cam of the trains running like clockwork.
I'm glad it's a hit. TT2 merch is selling well. TT2 trains look great, especially black. I'm glad the kept the observation bleachers. They'll fix it. Now if they can add wild spinning mouse Cheese Car!
Doing the lords work
Thanks Ryan for another awesome video.
Hearsay, Heresy, Conjecture, Drivel, and Speculation!! Thanks Ryan, keep um coming! 👍
Nice video! I was going to as if you could please link to my original video of Volcano for the partial clip you used of it in your description of that's all I ask. Thank you so much!
Liked all the information though in this video though! Hope TT2 gets back up soon!
Absolutely! I linked your channel and video in the description.
I was half expecting this to happen, Zamperla haven't done anything close to this scale before and they're using a brand new train design too which makes things even more complicated.
Always good to get your perspective since you work in the industry.
Yeah! Clickbait thumb for the win! I'm so glad to see this video surpassed even your Fury one! Your channel should be one of the biggest in the coaster world.
Thanks. It’s a love hate with clickbait. I hate to do it but the algorithm looooooves it. It’s crazy to actually see the results from it. People like drama.
I'm really pulling for Zamperla here. I hope they get it corrected. I watched the videos from the press event and the first rider's events and it seemed like things were going so smoothly. even the opening weekend videos people were saying very little down time and I was thinking how great it was that things were going well
Thanks for this video, extremely informative!
Your welcome!
Interesting you mentioned restraints. When I got my 1 ride on the pass holder preview day, it seemed there were rows blocked off (different rows for different trains) which I assume were restraint issues.
Awesome video! Always like your technical standpoint on stuff. What are your thoughts on that pothole/shuffle on Iron Menace? The one at the end of the ride. Any ideas?
Being a past manufacturer of polyurethane wheels and rollers... The secret "primer" used by many polyurethane wheel manufacturers is actually just shellac. Polyurethane bonds extremely well to shellac, it also sticks to aluminum, it's cheap, and it's easy to apply the coating.
That’s interesting. There is some type of magic there. Uremet’s wheel outperform most in the industry for some reason.
Melted bug parts do cool stuff
In cars, toe in adds stability. Toe out causes wonder. Though some cars specify a small amount of toe out, but that is just because the pull of the drive wheels cause shft to toe in during load.
Sounds about right. I always ran about 3/16 toe out on the race car but that’s mainly because I wanted more Akermann steering in the long corners.
@ryantheridemechanic wait until you find out about the Profesional drift guys. They run like some insane toe sometimes, but it's because they also have massive ammounts of negative camber. It helps the front tires grip when going sideways. (If you can't tell, drifting is my other passion besides coasters)
@@rockintylerj9349 which one is more expensive. Going to amusement parks or drifting?
@rockintylerj9349 it's all about that progressive toe!
@ryantheridemechanic Sorry, never saw the response to this, lol, but that's a good question. Considering both entrance fees to a track and a theme park are about the same, it comes down to other expenses. So if you have a local park it will probably be a lot cheaper, as at every drift event you need tires and gas as well, which could cost as much as a flight and hotel. So it's pretty close, and an argument could be made for either.
I would also submit that because of the trains being made with mild aluminum instead of steel framing, the amount of lift that they're getting at the high speeds is also causing the trains to bounce a bit. That kind of impact on the bogies and the wheel assemblies themselves could cause stress fractures, bearing collapse and or surface fracturing like you're talking about with the polyurethane. Like you said though, we dont know whats going on because of the park's secrecy so we are stuck with speculation.
Then there's also the 4th issue, the raised center of gravity. The track yaw going up and down the tophat is way off of the train's heart lines so you also have that sudden jolt when the track rotates impacting the bogies. So many possibilities..... Hope they get it sorted outand fixed soon.
First off, Ryan, it's one of your best videos. It was hilarious in places. Now for the comments, lol. I agree that I think it has to do with the wheels, which was one of my leading personal theories on Monday. I will admit I thought about the wheel carriers because that was what everyone seemed to be fixated on. I left the park thinking it was either an upstop issue or the compounding to make the wheels. Maybe they needed to find and test the top three compounds that could handle the heat and stress. Each train get a different set and run the hell out of them. But that's expensive so I doubt that will happen. The irony is I specifically focused on the wheels the last monday of operations, and they didn't look like they had gone through hundreds of cycles. In fact, they all barely looked worn on 2 trains. For the record, I think Zamperla did a great job, and shit happens. I wonder how many of the naysayers actually rode it that week. I did several times,and Zamperla can build me another coaster any day.
Awesome video....thank you!!
Your welcome!
Thanks Ryan! Fantastic video!
Your welcome! Hope you enjoyed it! I don’t normally do videos like these
This is the first video I’ve watched and loved your approach and explanation. Huge coaster fan, but I’m less interested in the BS. Bravo!
How much would air temperature affect the wheels? It was cooler when they were testing in the winter/spring time. We did have a mild winter up there this year though
I was on an Intamin Impulse coaster today and the upstop wheel on the car in front of me was at quite an angle facing the inside. Sitting in the station I realized half of it was sitting out of the strip on the rail where the paint wore off. Do you know why this is? Regardless it was nice to take a ride in your office chair. Lol. Great video as always!
Looked up Uremet....realized I used to live just down the street from it for 7 years and never knew. 🧐
I have an unrelated question, I recently saw a video of The All American Triple Loop that just opened at Indiana Beach. One segment of the video shows the train almost to the top of the lift hill, then rolling back down the lift and into the station. For one, good thing they only have one train for it, and 2. why is there no anti-rollbacks on that coaster?
The dustbin lid sized road wheels alter the center of gravity (COG) but also make the guide wheels further apart than would be normal on a coaster with standardish sized wheels. With kingpin steering this causes more drag when going through bends. Larger wheels, less thermal loading due to slower rotation speed but whoever makes Zamperla wheels, it is a lesser quality compound, hence why they went huge bin lid size. They did a few months of testing and the first few sets of wheels wear quicker while the track is bedding in. The higher COG can cause strain on the wheel carriers, seat mount, restraints and guests.
On Intrasys double stators, the coils are staggered, so the preload on guide wheels needs to be a little higher. With the Zamperla coil spring and rubber bumper set up, preloading is a little more difficult, than a Polyurethane Spring. It could be that they are dumping the coil springs and putting Polyurethane springs in.
Falcons flight is 250 kmh (155 mph) This will have 45cm or 17.7 " road wheels. Formula Rossa is 240 kmh (149 mph) This runs on 40cm or 15.75" Road wheels and has been running for 14 years in a desert, so was a nice research project in thermal loading. Zamperla bin lid wheels are 50 cm or 19.68" and run in a breezy Ohio climate. Overkill in my opinion.
Scaling back to 18 may help the shake I hear some say. Will see what happens. Hope it's found soon.😊
@@billchief397 18 seems a little more sensible. Zamperla will solve it. They have a pretty decent group of guys in the coaster division and the team is growing each year.
@jjhatch69 yep engineers some from intamin. I have total faith in zamperla.
Hopefully they use this down time to figure out the locker situation
Love it… just make it thicker next time!!!
That's what she said..
That's what SHE said!!!+😂😂😂
Volcano RIP
In your experience, would it help to add a sprinkler system to the station platform? I was always under the impression that Intamin used this method to cool down wheels on TTD, Mill Force & Intimidator.
Weve seen TT2 operate in rain, so surely it wouldn’t cause any issues with the electrical system??
Same goes for Steel Curtain. It’s a prototype ride, They are doing what needs to be done to make it work well for the long term.
I do wonder, if it is a wheel degradation issue, if they will be able to use their spares for some (greatly reduced) number of cycles, based on the information they have gathered from the current set - also with increased inspections. I would expect that both Cedar Point and Zamp are chomping at the bit to run they ride while waiting for reengineered/recompounded wheels.
And to be clear, I don't mean some random exec or whatever just making a call - I mean the engineers actually doing the analysis with the information they have to possibly keep the wheels certified for some number of cycles.
And yeah, I know this is all just pure speculation.
Right. Engineers have to get that warm fuzzy feeling to open the ride back up for sure.
What’s your opinion on the billet aluminum chassis. Do you think they can hold up as steel chassis have proven to can?
Aluminum chassis seem to be better than the welded steel from what I have witnessed so far. We have a few coasters running with them now and a couple of them are 5 years old with zero repairs. The only area of concern for me is the tow hitch area. Once the bearing wears out of tolerance and needs changing, we shall see how that little operation works out.
Not surprised or bothered by closure. People act like TTD just was running perfect when it opened.
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I love watching watching your videos. I’m a ride operator at a popular amusement park and I love to listen more of how things work! I heard rumors it is also a restraint issue because the top hat is extremely forceful that the weight on people body is putting strain on the restraint itself and cedar point does not like that but I’m surprised they didn’t add a seatbelt like every ride in the park has. Also, can you do a video of how a roller coaster is brand new it is smooth but overtime it begins to rattle and the ride is not as smooth as it used to be. Is it the track or the wheels that parks use? For example the California Screamin attraction used to be extremely smooth but ever since they changed it to Incredicoaster especially after the pandemic it now rattles and my head hits the shoulder restraint from side to side and it’s not as smooth as it used to be. So I was wondering if you could make a video on that. Anyway I love your content and keep up the great work!
Interesting on the incredacoaster. I’ll have to look into it.
Very well done
Looking forward to leaning on some air gates this weekend 😂😂😂
I think someone was leaning on the air gates.
That is great information you shared about the engineering of these coasters that are going excessive speeds and forces.
The question i have is do you think zamperla is able to fix the problematic lsm launch. Ive watched the eltoro ryan video saying the fins and sensors were always misaligned causing the ride to shut down more than being open.
Also your theory of wheels and new compounds for ride longevity.
Thanks.
The alignment of the stators will be a never ending battles. It is for every stator type ride. I don’t think it will be an issue.
you're closing in on 5k subs.
DOBA. definitely going into use when i align my trains lol
Ryan, a question...could the track "gauge" be an issue here? I'm wondering what 20 years of rail use on the top hat affects the dimension of track, compared to the new track that Zamperla installed. I'm guessing it's millimeters in difference, but could that affect the tracking of the road wheels and be causing an issue here, or is the difference in track gauge negligble (from new to old to new) and not a factor?
The uncertain mis alignment of the switch track is what I thought it was but luckily its just the trains
On rides with switch tracks I've always had a notion that they may have problems. But i'm assuming the ride would throw a fault unless that's not necessarily the case?
Is there a compound that will work on Falon's Flight? It seems the heat cycles and length of ride alone are going to eat up tires. Then add sand on top of that, seems like a problem.
People don’t seem to be concerned with the compound of the wheel. I’m thinking more of the bearings vs resistance. 1500 rpm is not too bad for bearings but that’s when motors are driving them as well.
On the topic of “stuff that takes rides down shortly after they open”, would you say that there are any warning signs that indicate one shouldn’t plan a visit to see a ride shortly after it opens or reopens? Like “Oh, extended refurbishment and brand new trains? Give them 3 months to break them in” sort of thing.
Same logic I use when a new restaurant opens up. Give them some time to get the small stuff worked out. But it’s a double edge sword. In the small time a ride is open in the very beginning, it might be so awesome as opposed to when it re-opens after a shutdown. But that’s never known up front. Just know when they first open that aren’t rock solid operators.
Great info
This is a big thing for Zamperla, a big win. I'd like to think they are prepared for all the common issues you talked about. It would be really bad if they weren't. Between Cedar Point techs and Zamperla techs, they must know what's going to likely have issues. They seem to have found the issue very quickly and maybe they already thought it would be an issue and were ready to address it if it happened. Big contract like this and future big business depends on trust between these two companies. I'd be surprised if it is down for extended period of time.
Most all new trains like these hit the ride and generally need something redesigned. Due to (fill in the ____) I consider it normal thing. Can’t wait to see it back in operation.
I build rally cars, I never realized roller coasters needed toe in or out, do the front wheel sets towed out and the rest are straight or are only the fronts towed out. I know for my cars I run the front towed out and the back towed in. We mesure our toe in degrees, typically I run mine with 2 degree toe, I wonder what angle roller coasters run at.
Each coach would have its own toe. Not all coaster do this however. B&M use about 1mm (ish) this can be defeated by uneven guide wheels on a B&M of course. As most of theirs are not centric axles.
It was open today for my school trip
I heard it’s an issue with the wheel bogies crack and if you look at them for the top wheels they look half as thin as any other coaster I’ve seen. Especially because the bogies have to be so long because of the huge wheels.
If that’s the case they probably have a new design and machining in the works. That would be your test runs recently. Speculating : they built several, shipped them, installed, and are doing live stress testing on the assembly’s.
Much shorter downtime assuming insurance and engineering sign off on them.
@@ryantheridemechanic Do you think that would be less down time than if new wheels need to be poured?
@@Steven-gq4dj if it is the wheels, and they wanted it up super fast, the would have to make nylon rings for the surface. This would require new hubs to be fabricated to allow this. But in general for pouring urethane, new vs old hubs is only a couple of days.
It is actually common knowledge that tow in increases stability, not tow out, and I can show you a free body diagram that shows this.
Ok, Amazing video, hilarious AND educational. Honestly you are a breath of fresh air in the "Coaster - Tube" Community....
Thank you!
I learned this weekend that Intimidator 305 sprays water on the wheels in the station for cooling. It's the first time I have heard this, and I'm not sure how common it is. I know that was another coaster that had wheel issues when it opened. I heard that also changed the compound as well. Do you think excessive heat could be more of the failure, or more likely a compound change would be the only thing needed if the compound is the main failure point?
Not too sure. Heat is always a factor in wheels. easiest way to combat it is to reduce friction by thinner grease and quicker bearings but both are $$$$
Hiya, great video! Very interesting. I was wondering if you'd heard about Hyperia's troubles? It opened for 1.5 days, the press night+opening day, then shut down I believe. Thorpe Park released a statement initially saying that the ride wouldn't open for 4 days. They've then released a statement today saying that they can't commit to opening the ride before the 8th of June. The first rumour I heard was that it was a problem with the exit gate. Then the speculation seemed to be that something was wrong with the lift hill. That seems to line up as people were spotted up the lift hill and afterwards, a crane turned up. It doesn't appear to be the usual restraint or wheel problems. Do you have any thoughts on what this problem is likely to be and how long it's likely to take to fix?
Just released a video on this. Check it out.
Oh yes, brilliant timing haha! Another excellent very informative video. Thank you!
I'm pretty sure Zamperla, when they introduced the LIghtning trains, said the wheels are not Urthane based, they are something else that is supposed to withstand way more force..
Oh that’s interesting. Wonder what they are. I seen a urethane nylon blend. They held up just like urethane though.
Ryan, I've heard it takes thousands of cycles to get the ride approved by inspectors. Is it likely that all of the tests were done on the original wheels? Also, if they have ~2 trains worth of extra wheels, do you think the park would be risking anything if they used them temporarily while they waited on a new compound to be created and cured? Thank you in advance!
Just that fact that they went to a shut down, says it would be too risky to run with whatever is going on. If it wasn’t we would probably see single train operation with downtime every 2 hours or something like that.
Cars actually typically have a little bit of toe in. I'm a former alignment tech. Caster and camber compensate for any instability. Those aren't really an available characteristic on a coaster wheelset on a steel rail.
..and btw great video and a lot of good info!
I loved the Twilight Zone reference haha
Picked it up! I was wondering if anyone would.
Thanks Ryan! You're hilarious.
Maybe I'm drunk
Haha! Hung over looking through the phone, “I don’t remember subscribing last night” 🤣
After new parts arrive, what is the minimum time they need test the ride to open it? Like if parts get installed "today" can we expect the ride to be open after a week if everything goes like they expected?
Depends. It could be another week of stress testing and observation. If they are really sure there is no problems left. Then run 300-1000 cycles and as long as everyone has that warm fuzzy feeling about the fix, open it up.
@@ryantheridemechanic Thanks 😁
It sounds like there is always a small gap between the load wheels, the track, and the up stop wheels. I never knew this. I always thought they were all super tight on the track. Is there a reason for that gap? It seems like transfer of load would be minimized between wheel sets if they were all perfectly flush on the track. If there suppose to a small bit a play on the wheel assemblies in reference to the track what's the reason for the gap? Is it due to track imperfections or track moving a bit on hot days? Thank you. Great video as always man.
Sorry correction, road wheels not load wheels, hehe sorry. Thank you.
Typically the gap or no load on a reference track is because the actual track is thicker or wider and your setting the crush that is a “feeling” for other rides without a reference track. The rubber pads make the suspension load and unload depending on the crush on the pads.
Ahhh I see makes sense, thank you for the explanation!
So really no matter what you do with the up stop wheels settings there will always be excess wear and tear on those systems on high negative g elements on a ride. Maybe it can be mitigated by experts like yourself but lauch coasters with sharp crowns will always have this problem. I think I got it.
@@KevinField-yv6tb these problems are magnified in a wheel carrier with only 1 upstop wheel instead of the 2 upstop carriers.
Don’t know if u covered this but how are they going to maintain falcons flight given the dusty grimy conditions of the desert? Seems like the first haboob rolling past it would be a maintenance nightmare.
Never covered that and I honestly don’t know. I imagine the wheels will wear down quickly. If you use more track lube it will get the sand to stick even worse. But they probably have experience running rides in that condition so it’s anew area for me.
@@ryantheridemechanic The tracks stay pretty clean as it is quite windy around early evening, so everything gets a bit of a blow down. Once they clean the track to get the construction crap off the rails, as the trains start running, the tracks will be fine. There is always a huge contingent of rope access subcontractors for cleaning in the region, due to all the silly shaped skyscrapers they build, so if cleaning was necessary, they would have a team working overnight on it for a couple of weeks, every few months. The Ferrari World roof gets cleaned a couple of times per year. I hear they are intending to run from 4pm to midnight local time, so they are not using the ride in the heat of the day. The winter times are surprisingly cool. From October to May daytime temps are tolerable, the locals even wear a wooly hat and scarf in winter evenings, which is hilarious because it is still 60- or 70-degrees F, but from May to October, if you touch a track rail in the afternoon, you will get branded. They get up to 160 degrees F.
@@jjhatch69 interesting. Wonder if the trains might have a little push broom type attachment in front to the road wheels. Not permanent, but could be attached for the first run of the day. Like a locomotive has sanders in front of the wheels.
@@ryantheridemechanic The tracks generally stay clean. They run all year round, 365 days per year, as maintenance is done at night and trains are rotated for annual rehab. It's only long shutdowns, where there is a buildup of dust, then the tracks need a clean before running. No special cleaning other than long shutdowns and definitely no track lube. No lift chains in the desert, its all-cable lift, hydraulic launch or LSM/LIM. They all have large anti-static brushes, so I guess that helps.
Ryan, how and why did that water dumby go flying out the restraint when it was traveling over the top hat?
Most of the time a ridged body is harder to secure than flexible. I’m not sure of the answer for sure, but if they unlock restraints each cycle then a push down could have been missed before cycling. We used to loose sand bags all the time when load testing.
@ryantheridemechanic you didn't say much about the rumored stress cracking of/on the bogies; that was what I have been mostly harping on. I've pointing to how UNmassive the horizontal & vertical members are [esp. compared to Falcon's Flight's-esp. note vertical RIBS!]. [& maybe stronger alloys req'd?]. Issues here could affect the wheels? I've also pointed out that on its last Mon. of operations , the SILver center car's rear seat(#6) rode quite rough while the BLack's #6 rode QUITE SMOOTHLY !!==problem(s) progressive. WHAT DO YOU THINK about the design, amount of metal in the bogies?? [remember FF's]- (see below too) -TTD/2Ron4695/46(rides are on tt2)
Also problem(s) not show up {at least not enough of problem to be noticed} during even weighted dummies evenly distributed (maybe cooler weather too?) / then*operations with randomly distributed differing weighted persons RANDOMLY DISTRIBUTED &warmer. This could have acerbated any developing problems??
Rumors are just rumors. I have no input on Zamperla design. I could say something if I had engineering background and could say something about diameter vs metallurgical distress but it’s out of my league. A lot of designs are more visual than anything else. The math is usually spot on.
Not related to this video, but it's something I've wondered for a while that I hope you can answer. Do you know anything about what it would be like for a park to reopen a coaster that hasn't ran in years? For a few examples, there are 2 B&Ms in China that were built in 2015, but due to weird China reasons they never opened, and have just been sitting ever since. If those were to get purchased by, say, a US park, what kind of maintenance and expenses do you think would be required to get them operating? There's also a few coasters SBNO at Six Flags New Orleans, that haven't run since Hurricane Katrina in '05, would it be possible to get them running again do you think? Without basically having to completely rebuild them.
It completely depends on how everything was stored. It’s such a drastic difference. It boils down to putting in new bearing and running it. Or replacing everything that moves.
Did they turn the speed down or was it the wet stators/track and 30mph winds causing rollbacks?
Don’t know for sure. I’m thinking they reduced the speed. Wet stators behave exactly the same as dry stators.
Oh, not sure why i thought it did...maybe because at my home parks (sfmm/kbf) launch coasters close at the 1st drop of rain.
..but the very next day Tt2 was once again flying over the tophat
Why was this not detected months and moths ago in testing?
Is there any chance that we the public will actually learn what the real problem is?
Probably later down the road. Maybe at the end of the year. Cedar point doesn’t want their dirty laundry aired out and Zamperla wants to clear this up as quick as they can. But if nothing else, I bet it will come out in the winter chill out next year. Casually someone will say “like the -____ problems we had”.
"Row of nickels" hit my funny bone for some reason...maybe because that's what the welding guys sound like.
Cedar Point is a common denominator in the issues with Maverick, Dragster, Steel Vengeance, Millennium Force, TT2 - just the reality of pushing the envelope and breaking barriers the way they do; and I would much prefer those growing pains to a stock, boring, cookie cutter ride lineup
Imagine that.... small wheels causing problems at high speeds.... my brother in law looked at one of the 'smart 4-2' cars back when they came out and couldn't believe at the time that they used tires that were something like 2x-3x more than his 18" suv tires but were 13" tires.... I had to explain that the smaller size ment higher RPMs at the same speed and therefore 'stronger' tires were needed.... he decided to make the SUV last a bit longer
Wonder what modeling software Zamperla used considering it must be crap and the ride cracks itself up 😂
Good one! Ha!
Doba!! Ha only 2 minutes 30 seconds in.
Learned that one from my old supervisor!!
@@ryantheridemechanic Nice!! Just come be the head of maintenance at cp. That would help and bring back common sense at the park....scratch that...I doubt the higher ups would approve your ideas. It would be just like your skit of the different operations
@@mattreichert7892 so we will just inspect the rides every day before the park opens.
@@ryantheridemechanic Ha!!! Lol 😆
I do have to laugh that cedar point already has trains with wheels that could withstand this... Millennium force comes to mind. Not to mention they simply could have taken the wheels from the old top thrill trains and analyzed the compound to build their own. Zamperla was way too confident. I'm sure they'll get it together. It only takes one phone call to Intamin.
Holy shit.... "Grenading a motor" does that mean what it sounds like? Has that ever happened before?
Those Pesky Wagon Wheels!
Those will be a prize possession when one hits the trash can eventually.
Here's a crazy, perhaps overly-optimistic view on the timeline of all this. Maybe they actually discovered this issue very early in testing 2 months ago and Zamperla immediately got the fix in motion with the 60-90 day timeline in mind. Cedar Point, not wanting to miss all of the dates they had set, decided to run with the original problematic wheels just to get through previews and opening weekend. Rather than push back the entire opening, they could do what they're doing now and then have people be pleasantly surprised when the downtime isn't as long as people were expecting. A bit tin-foil hat, but in their shoes I think it'd be the best approach to minimize a PR nightmare. I'm also probably grasping at hope since I already have a trip planned in 2 weeks.
Sometimes I think the sheer size and speed of this roller coaster is underappreciated. I mean it goes 120mph and is over 400ft! That's just bonkers and is no easy feat. Zamperla will figure it out and the ride will be fine. It's not like it was ever that reliable in the first place. I think Intamin unfairly gets a bad rap because Intamin will build a park crazy if they order crazy. Want a coaster that blasts out of a mountain? Hyper in a shoebox? 300ft, 400ft, 500+ft? 100+ MPH? What if we stick a drop tower on it for good measure?
Do you think that switch track could be beating the shit out of the wheels causing them to crack or whatever?
No. That’s straight and level in a non forceful area. I call that transport track (just moving from point A to point B)
@@ryantheridemechanic yes but it drives me crazy there's a nice gap there after it locks in place. I also noticed Dragsters wheels were wider and a bit thicker. Reguardless the brain at zamperla should have copied the wheel bogie and wheel size design and this wouldn't be happening. I would have. Also since the trains sit a bit higher would that add wear and tear to the wheels since the heartline is off or not really?
@@covertzebra the heartline being off adds wear and tear to the guide and upstop wheels but it’s minor. The weight savings could easily make up for that issue. Zamperla also can clone a design because most components on rides are patented / copyrighted so everyone doesn’t do it.