I am surprised that a guy as young as you has so much clarity … every point you made is spot on … I have been living 20yrs in USA and can vouch that everything you said is 100% correct .. couldn’t have put it better
@@abirbhattacharjee5227 Excellent analysis. Correct on all aspects. Indian env is extremely competitive and it becomes unfair and chaotic too at some angles. Also if 1 usd is 1 rupee not many would immigrate.
Hey, excellent research and insights. I completely agree with you. I left a job in Fortune 1 back in India with a salary over 20 LPA to pursue studies and gain experience, not for the money. Even though I'm managing every day, life here feels like a constant struggle, and I can't help but compare it to my life in India. Clearing the debt will make it worthwhile, but if I had the chance, I don't think I would do it again. The cost is just too high, and it seems that luck plays a bigger role than talent these days.
Excellent clarity of thought and articulation including the choice of words and manner of presentation. I would like to offer you another perspective which you would lack due to your age and the stage of life you are in. Once you spend 5 years in US it is extremely difficult to move back if you have a family and your kids have lived in the convience of US society. Once you spent 7 or 10 years it becomes next to immpossible. At that point your kids are simply not ready to move to India and learn the hard grind. Second and third language mandates in Indian school makes the move immposible. At that point yours parents might need you, or you might have got some health issues that you cannot treat conviently in US healthcare system and you are frustrated of that GC will take forever; but if you move your kid will fail in second and third language so you can't move. There are more nuances, but I cannot type all of that 😊
its not worth it, simply speaking its not. my cousin moved to US 4 years back, he graduated from NEU (MSDAE) got a job at one of the largest insurance company, got 2 back to back award for being the best DS, he has 4 certifications but he could not get his H1B the company really wanted him there and they did what they could, he is back in india now and is making 32 LPA but at what cost ?? he would have anyways made 32 LPA but now he is debt of whopping 38 lakhs ( it was 60 lakhs total but he has paid 24 lakhs ) even if you are talented, even if you have skills getting the H1B is pure luck based.
i don't think it's whopping, if you're making 32LPA, 3 to 4 years max he'd be able to pay off. But would he get that appreciation and experience in India? i don't think so. After a certain point money need not be the sole depiction of a situation. Maybe he'd be able to answer that better.
Agreed, the current H1B system is bad and can screw you over. You can work hard, do everything right, and come out with huge debt. I have an Indian friend from NEU who is working an "unpaid internship" (slave labor) and trying to ride out the tech market slowdown. It's not a skill issue. It's just random luck.
@@gaurav13020 yeah many people aren't basically paying the loan back nowadays. Thankfully their parents are loaded I guess. These fields like Data Science, IT, etc pretty much don't have as many jobs as the consultants advertise
I’m currently a masters student in mechanical engineering and this will be my second year. To anyone coming for fall semester, whatever major you are in please gain some experience and arrive here , most of us are suffering here without internship or work opportunities because of no experience, don’t make that mistake.
Didn't realize it was a 16min video-it felt like only 4-5 minutes! You shared wonderful points that students need to consider. Please keep making these kinds of videos, they're incredibly valuable.
I feel like all this university ranking are just to pump up the tuition rates for international students at the end of the day, your knowledge and skills would be important in Job market.
Only a fraction of student opt for masters for the sake of education and skills. They opt for masters as foot in the door in the USA so that they can do whatever it takes to stay back. This is a shame. Most of the students are able to do it as parents are more than willing to sponsor their children and take loans to send children abroad without knowing the implications.
@@zaidshaikh2536 bhai escape India on your own money don't put parents in difficult situation and don't make them take loans or sell property to send children abroad. It's risky to leave home and expect foreign land will offer opportunities to some indisciplined lazy unskilled youth with no legal status and work permit to work.
@@zaidshaikh2536 bhai bottom line is there is no county for labor which is no skilled not experienced is lazy and prefers to work remotely not polished no soft skills and not willing to work hard. Prefers to put parents in difficult situation to escape home country for greener pastures. Leave India for right reasons to gain experience to improve soft skills to earn money to send money back home to improve family situation take more responsibilities become more efficient and do greater good not for comfort luxury and money as there is no easy money. Be in India after competing education find job gain experience and skills necessary to survive on your own with minimal financial support from aging parents.
I had admits from university for fall 24 and by hearing the condition of the job market I dropped my decision to going to the US. The fresh graduates are competing with people who got laid off + the backlog of Students who are searching for job for the last 2 years. The situation is unlikely to change in the next 2 year sadly.
@@VirenSinha-z7y agree .. only come if you get through a very good school or low tuition fees ... I am h4 dependent and don't need to pay for rent and food and car.. and my tuition fees is 25k .. so it is ok.. I have eleven years work ex and moving to edtech.. better to be in a stem course that is not CS or DS.. maybe market is still ok for electrical and manufacturing
This was such a such a well put video. These exact thoughts were going in my mind from the past few days. Glad, I’m not the only one who thoroughly acknowledges that migrating to US in our Dad’s time was way easier and also logical. The ROI they got is unmatched but now I fear to put my feet in unknown waters. The risk is too damn high. Even after we get a job, we aren’t even sure how long this software field would sustain and also visa headache, oh and btw good luck getting not shot by a random angry person
Bro your analysis is spot on, but earning 20-25 lpa is the best salary you can get. And most of these salaries are paid by startups which are very volatile in nature. Second thing you didn't consider is when company says 25 lpa, they are talking about CTC. It means that inhand salary is around 15-16 lac. Hardly you'll find anyone in india making 3lac per month. The whole CTC is inflated thing. Whereas these salaries are being offered in Banglore/Hyderabad where cost of living has increased significantly. I still believe it's much more easy to save 1000 dollars than 1 lac in India. Thanks for your analysis.
Yeah so the same goes US as well my man. Earning >100k$ is not common unless you are in California. Also take into consideration the visa constraint , who knows whether you will get an H1B. "If you make $100,000 a year living in the region of California, USA, you will be taxed $29,959. That means that your net pay will be $70,041 per year, or $5,837 per month. Your average tax rate is 30.0% and your marginal tax rate is 42.6%". So saving 1000-1500$ in USA in not too different than saving 80k or 1lakhs in India.
@@kattusking7146 that's not average salary brother, if you look at average salaries in IT you'll understand what I'm saying. Look at average salaries in US compare it with Indian salaries. Their are exceptions in US as well where people make 200-300k. Which is far more than on Indian counter part.
@@cbazxy2697 Most of the students in Telugu states end up doing Btech, because of the pressure from society to become a software engineer, and there’re shitload of engineering colleges in Andhra and Telangana who’d gladly sell you an admission very cheaply. So, when they can’t find a job in India after graduation, their next option is to go to USA.
I have researched the US job market since 2021. The situation has gone really bad in the 2024. Constant market crashes, students doing master's are jobless for 1+ years, some are even going back. I would suggest that students have patience, gain experience in India, then come for masters after analyzing the situation for couple years.
It's not worth it anymore, I was in US last year and i was shocked at the cost of living, housing price increase and the lack of wage growth. To top it all, the frequent recessions and job losses. Earlier people used to think that once you had a green card it's all rose and glory, not anymore. Even citizens are being layed off left right and centre. If this is the case, what job guarantee and safety doing you have? Also GC backlog is also not going away anytime soon. Think and decide.
Exactly, every part of the world is doomed. Nowhere to go as of now...this is how the economic cycle works, from last so many years the US has been so rewarding in terms of monetary gains and a positive career trajectory but now the cycle is in a downwards trend be it housing, job market ...and will remain like this for years to come before improving again ( which completes the cycle)..also the US needs political stability, it's the need of the hour
Firstly, you speak very well so great job! Wish you lots of success. This is quite a realistic take on life in India vs the US. And yes, many people prefer the life of convenience in India over doing their own work in the US. I have been in New York since 2019 (moved from Delhi) and do recommend everyone to live abroad once in their lifetime. It helps build a lot of resilience. And one can always go back to their home country. I love living in the US, because I love clean air, disciplined driving and open spaces and respect of everyone, regardless of what they do.
iT is skilled based profession it's not much about what degree you have but what skills you have. 70% of Indian IT companies work for US based clients. If you come to USA to work and get opportunity to work closely with client then it makes sense. If you coming to do masters from some average university in USA and don't get work permit to work in USA after doing masters then you are just incurring student loan debt and not gaining anything much except for frustration. Most students won't get opportunity to do work in USA and won't gain must skilss. They will only burn money and waste time. To summarize come to USA after gaining experience in india and don't come to do masters leaving decent job in India. It won't help much, come on student visa only if you getting in tier 1 university.
My sis is going to US for job with US client. Few months back,I was curious to know when will my third tier city's state transport bus stand will get reopened. I didn't even thought about US before this new opportunity. My sis studied in our city college so that expenses are not out of budget. Now 10 years experience in top tier company in Pune.
Hey Bro what info u shared is similar to mine am currently having a decent job in India and planning to move in Germany or USA for masters in cybersecurity by the time I will leave for abroad studies I will have 1+ year experience my ques is should I go for it for abroad pls reply big help🙏
@@Saideep101 bhai cyber security information security network security Al are driven by vendors and certificates. I think studying it as ful time masters would be quite boring as well. It is strongly recommended to gain work experience and acquire skills and be in a position to apply and sponsor masters on your own instead of burdening parents or taking loan. Tier 1 university will definitely prefer applicants with experience. To get taste of masters degree consider exploring edx and based on your experience decide what you want to pursue. Please don't join any online courses from some providers who only use university names for branding and marketing.
Almost 10 years ago, people would go to USA for masters(and then to settle down there) ! Times have changed, in 2024. Software is eating away most of the jobs. MOST of the well paid jobs and programming jobs, and MOST of such jobs can be done remotely. Programming can ONLY be self taught. So, in future, schools and college degrees would be of use to less than 1000 people, on Earth, and most people humans would try to master a skill and shall try to gain mastery over it. Indians should start preparing themselves for global jobs, by ditching Indian education system, and depending solely, on Udemy/TH-cam for education.
The best route would be to have free education in Germany, Gaining experience in Germany for some years without any debt and getting german PR and later moving it to USA. This route has less debt, no issues with H1B and exploring europe being a bachelor.
German PR and citizenship are too different things. Also, the average time to receive a German Citizenship is around 8-10 years and it’s increasing every year. Also, if you want employment in Germany, you need excellent command on German Language. Only few tech-specific roles do not require an advanced certification in German. Also, many states like Bavaria has already introduced tuition fee from international students. As per my knowledge, other major states are about to implement similar policies and in next 2-3 years, German universities would not offer free education to Foreigners. In short, there is no perfect country to emigrate to. They all have their own sets of challenges. You can get best opportunities only in your home country. I feel if you are working in tech, do not go abroad. You can literally have the same lifestyle and success here in tech with half the efforts. I have met IITians with CS background leaving 25-30 lpa packages right after Btech and going for masters in US. That’s an extremely dumb thing to do. People from non-tech backgrounds can definitely assess their options due to bleak outcomes in India but also remember non-tech jobs do have less competition than tech but the opportunities are also limited.
It would be really helpful if you could get batch mates from different streams. Parallely few topics you can help with is: 1. Is it the bad market or saturated industry? (Eg. UX Design, DS, etc.) 2. Purely psychological take on moving abroad. There's a significant information on monetary decision making but less of social impact. Parents usually put -loss of cultural value. 3. Role of infrastructure in tech or other industries. Maybe a list once you've enough data. 4. Personal: Current tech start-up ecosystem - I believe one can be on the innovation end of things, unsure if true. I might be joining ASU this fall :)
Problem with Indian is they hang around in west with mostly Indian friend and never tried to understand local life or have local friend. You have much better family and happy life in India compared to west. West is good for 15 to 20 years max to work if came after college. In india even after so much struggle earning average 10/12 lakh per year from adult to middle age life is more happy in India compare to west where lonliness and problem start after 50 or 55 years of age and lonely life and less attached children for rest of life..
@@Robin-qu5jm yea so basically all the jobs are getting offshored currently away from the US, so its that much more difficult to get in in the US, however its a lot easier in India cause thats where all the jobs are going to
Agree with almost all your points and they are well put! One thing I disagree with is the 2 Cr net worth remark for being considered rich. 2 Cr isn’t a large amount of money these days in expensive metro cities in India. If you want to consider someone rich my number would be - 2 Cr in liquid net worth (FDs, Savings, etc) and a total net worth of at least $1 Mn (8.4 Crores). If someone is a millionaire in India, for sure you can consider that person rich and not just upper middle class.
@@KamilTanweerKhan Ahead of 95% of Indian population is nothing! That's still 75 million people ahead of you! If you really want to consider yourself rich, then you should be in the 1% of taxpayers! You should be within top 1 million of Indians to even consider yourself as rich!
@@sanketpatki yeah but still its better than striving for day to day meals like billions of Indians unfortunately.. Sadly 32K Rupees (381 USD)is average Income of Indian Population..
I believe that most of the students who come to the US for their master's degrees are generally from tier-2 or tier-3 colleges, often driven by a rat race mentality. Taking on substantial debts for this pursuit is indeed a significant risk for the middle class in India.
It is because in India , there are two kinds of job available 1. Average job , 2. Aspirational jobs . Average jobs pay as per India's market rate (India's gdp per capita is around 2800 $) . Aspirational jobs pay far above market rate and almost pay at per developed countries (12k $ per capita GDP ) . Only a small section of our population has access to aspirational jobs and to quite tough to get it . But in USA the average job itself pays around 93k$ (USA's gdp per capita is around 76k$) . There is no concept of aspirational jobs in USA . Even electrician , plumber , cab driver can earn a lot of money in USA . India has very high income disparity (hence students chase those aspirational jobs which are tought to get ) .
Middle class doesnt pay over 30lacs on tution fees and with part time and stuff a talented skillfull graduate can survive and grab a decent job post masters and even with 50-60k$ package he'd still be able to save double than india.
Its a bad idea to go to US at this time as recession may hit at any time unless it is for research programs and/or the student is very good with street smart skills. The jobs are getting harder, and as soon as recession hits, there will be no jobs for immigrants. Think about tens of lakhs you have to spend that took decades for your parents to earn. Think twice; India is doing very good, chances of succeeding in India is better is as India is progressing very fast. Wait for next 4-5 yrs.
Since I am planning my Masters abroad, I have gone through many vudeos on "Should you come to USA" and I must say this is the most relatable and to the point video.
Excellent clarity of thought and articulation including the choice of words and manner of presentation. I would like to offer you another perspective which you would lack due to your age and the stage of life you are in. Once you spend 5 years in US it is extremely difficult to move back if you have a family and your kids have lived in the convience of US society. Once you spent 7 or 10 years it becomes next to immpossible. At that point your kids are simply not ready to move to India and learn the hard grind. Second and third language mandates in Indian school makes the move immposible. At that point yours parents might need you, or you might have got some health issues that you cannot treat conviently in US healthcare system and you are frustrated of that GC will take forever; but if you move your kid will fail in second and third language so you can't move. There are more nuances, but I cannot type all of that 😊
Good analysis at this very young age. Keep up the good work. Let me put this way: In 1998, a person making 60K USD was able to buy a 31 grams of gold at 450 USD, In 2024, with the same salary of 60K, 31 grams of gold is price. Price of gold is 3.2x today compared to 1998 and the same cannot be said about Salary i.e. 60K in 1998 vs 192K today. Pursuing MS in US is not worth, If you do not have a citizenship or PR to begin with. Also application programming as reached a saturation point and there is no further paradigm shift in technology that I see in the next decade. The hype around Artificial Intelligence has reached worrying levels and the people who are getting displaced are not able to get Jobs anywhere and therefore US unemployment rate will reach is highest levels not see in decades. Another thing is the food inflation has also reached astronomical levels not seen before and the savings potential is being wiped off.
Thank you for explaining it very well. Yes its true H1B is pure luck and the US universities have increased their fees significantly high, the ROI is not making sense anymore and IT jobs in India are going to improve a lot. There is a reason why economists say "The Rise of the Asian Century"
Good points. Too many come to USA for studies with main (many times only) aspiration to get a great job. This was, is and will always be a bad reason to come to US.
Even the US has innovative startup’s much better payment companies than razorpay. And you are right about faang interview in India. Google interview in India is much harder than the US one. In many ways US is better but the biggest problem in US is visa and immigration. Getting H1B is an issue and once on H1 visa renewals and GC process is an issue.
The job situation across the world will be tighter in the coming years. People will be working on less salaries from now in most of fields due to more competition, less number of opportunities, rise of automation and AI and other factors. Do not burn your money by spending a fortune on getting a foreign degree that is not a ticket to a lucrative job anymore. It is not 1990s.
Hi Abir, I am currently pursuing my BTech, 4th year, in Computer Science. I am considering going for a master's degree, but I am confused about whether I should pursue it or not. Based on my campus placement prospects, I expect to secure a job with a salary of around 4-6 LPA. I’m seeking advice on whether gaining work experience first really matters. Should I take the risk and pursue a master's degree in the US? Personally, I’ve always wanted to live in the US since childhood-not just for financial reasons, but to explore myself, experience a different lifestyle, and improve my ability to navigate life in the future. Our family’s net assets are around 1.5-2 crore, and I would need to take out a loan for my studies. I’ve also spoken to some of my seniors, and they mentioned that the decision ultimately depends on my ability to handle it. They also pointed out that no one can guarantee the job market will be better in two years; in fact, it could worsen. I hope to receive your guidance, as I believe you can provide the insight I’m looking for.
Hi I am earning around 20+ lacs in India annually. But I went to USA for my masters and completed two semesters then came back due to some personal issues. Now I am thinking to go back to USA in March 2025 to complete my degree. Should I go or not ? Can you please tell me
Very well-made video, my research matches with yours. Even my motivation is a change of pace, a new experience, and the quality of education. In Australia, where I'm headed, I feel there is a small chance for people whose net worth is around 2 Cr to even have their visa approved. They're asking for a minimum of Rs 10 Lac ITR (single person) for the past 3 years these days and above 16Lacs in FD or savings (outside of loan amount), and overall the visa application is pretty expensive and a huge headache. Moreover, the housing crisis and job scenario are worse than in the previous couple of decades. You need to have a strong backup plan or it's not worth it anymore.
Nice analysis This is my take For Example consider someone in Twitch makes 10 lakh per year and then you come to us on your own money and some loan. One should also calculate time to repay loan and recover tuition fees and then make up for all this lost time in India ( in terms of money which one can earn in india while working) which people don't consider. So your next 5 years are locked then you after that toy start again making something and then people buy house again they are in debt.
You're better off going to Europe, it's cheaper for University, And less overworklng society. You may not last past 15 years in America because all you will do is Work and get no time for Vacations to rest your brain.
No matter how you look at it.. going to US and returning will swcure you a better job than being avg student in india and doing pg here. Most of my friends went to US.
For masters too expensive in the U.S and not worth that cost, but work in the U.S is great. my cousin did her master in Switzerland then moved to the U.S with the H1b
There is so much competition right now for too few spots. I see 100's of OPT/CPT Indian students posting for positions in the company I work for all the time. They are now enacting an HR policy of not sponsoring H1B, which is a big risk for these students. That coupled with AI and Automation, im not really sure how these students are all going to make it. You really need a lot of luck.
Can you name which revolutionary steps India has taken in last ten years ? India has become inhospitable. No water, electricity and roads. So called convinanices are chores done highly underpaid and overworked people. I live in metro city and basic infrastructure is crumbling apart. Half hour of rain and waist deep water.
Everything is improving in India. About your rain issue,almost all countries will face water logging in heavy rainfall. To say human can win against nature's fury is sheer st*pidity.
He is talking about overall developed digital infra in terms of fast and enhanced payment systems which have enabled direct cash transfers to the rural agro based class and also to some extent to urban poor like increased health cover, insurance, etc. Yes its the middle class at whose expense we are able to fund and dole all these benfits kut and so definately the govt needs to do something exclusive for them.
@@saurabhshinde3540 When you are lacking basic facilities like drainage,isn't doing that most important than dreaming huge? Journey is from bottom to top. So first basics need to be done. If you were civil engineer,you would be driving in Hyundai creta by now in just 3 years after findinv out how bad last 70 years were. Everything takes time.
Very well explained and and the analysis is really interesting, that is what it’s a hard truth in USA, specially for the years 2023 - 2027, high inflation, high recession, no h1b, high expenses. The Indian guys do not want to admit the reality and spending years in odd jobs is not at all the solution to the problem. When we are spending above 50K fucking dollars, and then also try to do odd job makes no sense.
Hey. Im planning to come to US for masters in Civil engineering having 4 yrs of experience in USA company in INDIA but just worried about the Visa thing if things didn't worked out and I didn't get the job there then this loan thing will be not possible for me which is summing up around 50 lakhs for now.
How fair is that if there is no financial background and my entire expenses for moving to US are from a loan , Job in India was not my area of interest but then landed as a contact center representative at hsbc with 4LPA as a fresher , and planning to move to masters ? Is that a wise decision?
Each minute of the video was backed with examples. Amazing video! Hope this reaches to students who are planning to pursue a master’s degree in the US.
I am surprised that a guy as young as you has so much clarity … every point you made is spot on …
I have been living 20yrs in USA and can vouch that everything you said is 100% correct .. couldn’t have put it better
Thank you!
The r/IndiansStudyAbroad is a pretty good group imho, they share a lot of information
u started as a student?do u have green card now?
@@aarhamkaisar3303 yes
@@abirbhattacharjee5227 Excellent analysis. Correct on all aspects. Indian env is extremely competitive and it becomes unfair and chaotic too at some angles. Also if 1 usd is 1 rupee not many would immigrate.
Hey, excellent research and insights. I completely agree with you. I left a job in Fortune 1 back in India with a salary over 20 LPA to pursue studies and gain experience, not for the money. Even though I'm managing every day, life here feels like a constant struggle, and I can't help but compare it to my life in India. Clearing the debt will make it worthwhile, but if I had the chance, I don't think I would do it again. The cost is just too high, and it seems that luck plays a bigger role than talent these days.
Agreed! Agreed!
Skill issue.?
What did you study?? Did you do on campus jobs with studies
Excellent clarity of thought and articulation including the choice of words and manner of presentation. I would like to offer you another perspective which you would lack due to your age and the stage of life you are in. Once you spend 5 years in US it is extremely difficult to move back if you have a family and your kids have lived in the convience of US society. Once you spent 7 or 10 years it becomes next to immpossible. At that point your kids are simply not ready to move to India and learn the hard grind. Second and third language mandates in Indian school makes the move immposible. At that point yours parents might need you, or you might have got some health issues that you cannot treat conviently in US healthcare system and you are frustrated of that GC will take forever; but if you move your kid will fail in second and third language so you can't move. There are more nuances, but I cannot type all of that 😊
@@Jayantahit it's the fact but can we more details about it
its not worth it, simply speaking its not.
my cousin moved to US 4 years back, he graduated from NEU (MSDAE) got a job at one of the largest insurance company, got 2 back to back award for being the best DS, he has 4 certifications but he could not get his H1B the company really wanted him there and they did what they could, he is back in india now and is making 32 LPA but at what cost ?? he would have anyways made 32 LPA but now he is debt of whopping 38 lakhs ( it was 60 lakhs total but he has paid 24 lakhs ) even if you are talented, even if you have skills getting the H1B is pure luck based.
Thanks for sharing the story. Great example of how winning becomes difficult even after winning (What is even winning? Getting a job? Getting H1B?)
was your cousin not able to payback the loan on 3 years of OPT?
i don't think it's whopping, if you're making 32LPA, 3 to 4 years max he'd be able to pay off. But would he get that appreciation and experience in India? i don't think so. After a certain point money need not be the sole depiction of a situation. Maybe he'd be able to answer that better.
Agreed, the current H1B system is bad and can screw you over. You can work hard, do everything right, and come out with huge debt. I have an Indian friend from NEU who is working an "unpaid internship" (slave labor) and trying to ride out the tech market slowdown. It's not a skill issue. It's just random luck.
@@gaurav13020 yeah many people aren't basically paying the loan back nowadays. Thankfully their parents are loaded I guess. These fields like Data Science, IT, etc pretty much don't have as many jobs as the consultants advertise
I’m currently a masters student in mechanical engineering and this will be my second year.
To anyone coming for fall semester, whatever major you are in please gain some experience and arrive here , most of us are suffering here without internship or work opportunities because of no experience, don’t make that mistake.
Hi can you drop your email i have some questions, can you help me out i am planning to come to us for masters in mechanical engineering
can we connect @nb1129
Do companies in US consider domestic experience that you get in your home country?
@@hardiknegi4163 yes, depends on the name and how well the companies name is
@@wamangokhale thanks for the info! is this specific to US or other countries consider your work experience in home country as well?
Didn't realize it was a 16min video-it felt like only 4-5 minutes! You shared wonderful points that students need to consider. Please keep making these kinds of videos, they're incredibly valuable.
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@@abirbhattacharjee5227 bro how about biotech & pharma , job oppurtunities every one speaks only about software jobs .
I feel like all this university ranking are just to pump up the tuition rates for international students at the end of the day, your knowledge and skills would be important in Job market.
Only a fraction of student opt for masters for the sake of education and skills. They opt for masters as foot in the door in the USA so that they can do whatever it takes to stay back. This is a shame. Most of the students are able to do it as parents are more than willing to sponsor their children and take loans to send children abroad without knowing the implications.
Now with the current market situation and the advent of artificial intelligence, this might reduce
This is the actual reason. Most of them don’t just immigrate for education but a way to escape India.
@@zaidshaikh2536 bhai escape India on your own money don't put parents in difficult situation and don't make them take loans or sell property to send children abroad. It's risky to leave home and expect foreign land will offer opportunities to some indisciplined lazy unskilled youth with no legal status and work permit to work.
@@zaidshaikh2536 bhai bottom line is there is no county for labor which is no skilled not experienced is lazy and prefers to work remotely not polished no soft skills and not willing to work hard. Prefers to put parents in difficult situation to escape home country for greener pastures.
Leave India for right reasons to gain experience to improve soft skills to earn money to send money back home to improve family situation take more responsibilities become more efficient and do greater good not for comfort luxury and money as there is no easy money.
Be in India after competing education find job gain experience and skills necessary to survive on your own with minimal financial support from aging parents.
I had admits from university for fall 24 and by hearing the condition of the job market I dropped my decision to going to the US. The fresh graduates are competing with people who got laid off + the backlog of Students who are searching for job for the last 2 years. The situation is unlikely to change in the next 2 year sadly.
I am also thinking about postponing my plan to do MS in USA . What is happening is really unfortunate for the students.
better to drop . Not even postponing would help as situation is not going to improve
@@VirenSinha-z7ywhy do you say it is not going to improve ?
I am planning to postpone too. I've been postponing since Aug 2023. Idk I've lost hope of things improving now and tbh i feel lost.
@@VirenSinha-z7y agree .. only come if you get through a very good school or low tuition fees ... I am h4 dependent and don't need to pay for rent and food and car.. and my tuition fees is 25k .. so it is ok.. I have eleven years work ex and moving to edtech.. better to be in a stem course that is not CS or DS.. maybe market is still ok for electrical and manufacturing
This was such a such a well put video. These exact thoughts were going in my mind from the past few days. Glad, I’m not the only one who thoroughly acknowledges that migrating to US in our Dad’s time was way easier and also logical. The ROI they got is unmatched but now I fear to put my feet in unknown waters. The risk is too damn high. Even after we get a job, we aren’t even sure how long this software field would sustain and also visa headache, oh and btw good luck getting not shot by a random angry person
My sister was saved from getting shot.....near North Carolina uni...be careful
All the best for everyone in their decision making
Bro your analysis is spot on, but earning 20-25 lpa is the best salary you can get. And most of these salaries are paid by startups which are very volatile in nature. Second thing you didn't consider is when company says 25 lpa, they are talking about CTC. It means that inhand salary is around 15-16 lac. Hardly you'll find anyone in india making 3lac per month. The whole CTC is inflated thing. Whereas these salaries are being offered in Banglore/Hyderabad where cost of living has increased significantly. I still believe it's much more easy to save 1000 dollars than 1 lac in India. Thanks for your analysis.
Yeah so the same goes US as well my man. Earning >100k$ is not common unless you are in California. Also take into consideration the visa constraint , who knows whether you will get an H1B. "If you make $100,000 a year living in the region of California, USA, you will be taxed $29,959. That means that your net pay will be $70,041 per year, or $5,837 per month. Your average tax rate is 30.0% and your marginal tax rate is 42.6%". So saving 1000-1500$ in USA in not too different than saving 80k or 1lakhs in India.
Bro my cousin salary is 45 lpa along with incentives.
@@kattusking7146 that's not average salary brother, if you look at average salaries in IT you'll understand what I'm saying. Look at average salaries in US compare it with Indian salaries. Their are exceptions in US as well where people make 200-300k. Which is far more than on Indian counter part.
90% of the students are from Telugu states with no experience or skills.
why's that? Are Telugu that rich or is it like Punjabi's preferring Cannada?
@@cbazxy2697 Most of the students in Telugu states end up doing Btech, because of the pressure from society to become a software engineer, and there’re shitload of engineering colleges in Andhra and Telangana who’d gladly sell you an admission very cheaply. So, when they can’t find a job in India after graduation, their next option is to go to USA.
It is like punjabis preferring Canada @@cbazxy2697
50% IIT have Telugu people so according to u without knowledge talent they r cracking IIT exam
@@kalyanreddy7833 accept reality 😃
I have researched the US job market since 2021. The situation has gone really bad in the 2024. Constant market crashes, students doing master's are jobless for 1+ years, some are even going back. I would suggest that students have patience, gain experience in India, then come for masters after analyzing the situation for couple years.
It's not worth it anymore, I was in US last year and i was shocked at the cost of living, housing price increase and the lack of wage growth. To top it all, the frequent recessions and job losses. Earlier people used to think that once you had a green card it's all rose and glory, not anymore. Even citizens are being layed off left right and centre. If this is the case, what job guarantee and safety doing you have? Also GC backlog is also not going away anytime soon. Think and decide.
Exactly, every part of the world is doomed. Nowhere to go as of now...this is how the economic cycle works, from last so many years the US has been so rewarding in terms of monetary gains and a positive career trajectory but now the cycle is in a downwards trend be it housing, job market ...and will remain like this for years to come before improving again ( which completes the cycle)..also the US needs political stability, it's the need of the hour
It’s still good for Green card citizens
Firstly, you speak very well so great job! Wish you lots of success.
This is quite a realistic take on life in India vs the US. And yes, many people prefer the life of convenience in India over doing their own work in the US. I have been in New York since 2019 (moved from Delhi) and do recommend everyone to live abroad once in their lifetime. It helps build a lot of resilience. And one can always go back to their home country.
I love living in the US, because I love clean air, disciplined driving and open spaces and respect of everyone, regardless of what they do.
for what course did you move to NY?
You are not mentioning the huge loan that many people have to take to study abroad. It's not so easy to just move abroad and experience life .
I came to US in early 90's, just happened to see your video, very true and honest.
Lucky you
Those were some of the best times to do it man. Great for you!
Lovely explanation...
Nt worth going to US for MS if earning 25 lakh plus salary in India
As getting H1B is purely luck
2 lac a month is a good money India..
Another point if someone is considering is the research environment. Might be much better in the US than India. Ofc, if someone is looking for that.
i am planning for masters in pharmaceuticals, any insight?
I've always wondered how people manage their families while staying abroad - especially those in the US
iT is skilled based profession it's not much about what degree you have but what skills you have. 70% of Indian IT companies work for US based clients. If you come to USA to work and get opportunity to work closely with client then it makes sense. If you coming to do masters from some average university in USA and don't get work permit to work in USA after doing masters then you are just incurring student loan debt and not gaining anything much except for frustration. Most students won't get opportunity to do work in USA and won't gain must skilss. They will only burn money and waste time.
To summarize come to USA after gaining experience in india and don't come to do masters leaving decent job in India. It won't help much, come on student visa only if you getting in tier 1 university.
My sis is going to US for job with US client.
Few months back,I was curious to know when will my third tier city's state transport bus stand will get reopened.
I didn't even thought about US before this new opportunity.
My sis studied in our city college so that expenses are not out of budget. Now 10 years experience in top tier company in Pune.
Hey Bro what info u shared is similar to mine am currently having a decent job in India and planning to move in Germany or USA for masters in cybersecurity by the time I will leave for abroad studies I will have 1+ year experience my ques is should I go for it for abroad pls reply big help🙏
@@Saideep101 bhai cyber security information security network security Al are driven by vendors and certificates. I think studying it as ful time masters would be quite boring as well.
It is strongly recommended to gain work experience and acquire skills and be in a position to apply and sponsor masters on your own instead of burdening parents or taking loan.
Tier 1 university will definitely prefer applicants with experience.
To get taste of masters degree consider exploring edx and based on your experience decide what you want to pursue.
Please don't join any online courses from some providers who only use university names for branding and marketing.
Almost 10 years ago, people would go to USA for masters(and then to settle down there) !
Times have changed, in 2024.
Software is eating away most of the jobs.
MOST of the well paid jobs and programming jobs, and MOST of such jobs can be done remotely. Programming can ONLY be self taught.
So, in future, schools and college degrees would be of use to less than 1000 people, on Earth, and most people humans would try to master a skill and shall try to gain mastery over it.
Indians should start preparing themselves for global jobs, by ditching Indian education system, and depending solely, on Udemy/TH-cam for education.
Technology is advancing so quickly that it's becoming difficult to keep up with it!
@@DavidMiranda-pm9tg correct.
This is the most pragmatic video i have ever come across on how to choose to if we have to peruse MS or into.
As a former international student, this is very well put.
This cleared a lot of my doubts. Thanks Buddy
The best route would be to have free education in Germany, Gaining experience in Germany for some years without any debt and getting german PR and later moving it to USA. This route has less debt, no issues with H1B and exploring europe being a bachelor.
H1b issue is there, you wont be citizen in germany
@@Theactualstoic what issue would be there? German accepts dual nationality.
German PR and citizenship are too different things. Also, the average time to receive a German Citizenship is around 8-10 years and it’s increasing every year. Also, if you want employment in Germany, you need excellent command on German Language. Only few tech-specific roles do not require an advanced certification in German. Also, many states like Bavaria has already introduced tuition fee from international students. As per my knowledge, other major states are about to implement similar policies and in next 2-3 years, German universities would not offer free education to Foreigners. In short, there is no perfect country to emigrate to. They all have their own sets of challenges. You can get best opportunities only in your home country. I feel if you are working in tech, do not go abroad. You can literally have the same lifestyle and success here in tech with half the efforts. I have met IITians with CS background leaving 25-30 lpa packages right after Btech and going for masters in US. That’s an extremely dumb thing to do. People from non-tech backgrounds can definitely assess their options due to bleak outcomes in India but also remember non-tech jobs do have less competition than tech but the opportunities are also limited.
U gotta learn german in order to apply for jobs there@@kunalvidhani9495
Life in Germany ain't all rosy bro
Good one bro , I've been into this journey and I can say that the points put out here are 100% accurate Thanks!!!
It would be really helpful if you could get batch mates from different streams. Parallely few topics you can help with is:
1. Is it the bad market or saturated industry? (Eg. UX Design, DS, etc.)
2. Purely psychological take on moving abroad. There's a significant information on monetary decision making but less of social impact. Parents usually put -loss of cultural value.
3. Role of infrastructure in tech or other industries. Maybe a list once you've enough data.
4. Personal: Current tech start-up ecosystem - I believe one can be on the innovation end of things, unsure if true.
I might be joining ASU this fall :)
The American dream is over for even Americans, don't know what we Indians are looking and going there for...
Problem with Indian is they hang around in west with mostly Indian friend and never tried to understand local life or have local friend. You have much better family and happy life in India compared to west. West is good for 15 to 20 years max to work if came after college. In india even after so much struggle earning average 10/12 lakh per year from adult to middle age life is more happy in India compare to west where lonliness and problem start after 50 or 55 years of age and lonely life and less attached children for rest of life..
because under Modi you dont get any jobs other thna being pakora sellers outside mandhirs..hence we still keep going to USA..
@@poojasingh99999This is the absolute truth. You can spend years in the US and not make any good relationships.
@@counterpoint9260you do actually! You can become a chaiwalla! We have a shining example in our country.
@@sanketpatki those are reserved for RSS..
Cracking FAANG in US today is far far more difficult than in India btw
i dont know about india but in the US i already gave 11 interviews at Amazon and didnt get through
@@Robin-qu5jm yea so basically all the jobs are getting offshored currently away from the US, so its that much more difficult to get in in the US, however its a lot easier in India cause thats where all the jobs are going to
Agree with almost all your points and they are well put!
One thing I disagree with is the 2 Cr net worth remark for being considered rich. 2 Cr isn’t a large amount of money these days in expensive metro cities in India. If you want to consider someone rich my number would be - 2 Cr in liquid net worth (FDs, Savings, etc) and a total net worth of at least $1 Mn (8.4 Crores).
If someone is a millionaire in India, for sure you can consider that person rich and not just upper middle class.
Bro Livin in Which India I don't know, If you have 2 Cr networth you are ahead than 95% of Population.. I know its Still not a lot
@@KamilTanweerKhan
Ahead of 95% of Indian population is nothing! That's still 75 million people ahead of you! If you really want to consider yourself rich, then you should be in the 1% of taxpayers! You should be within top 1 million of Indians to even consider yourself as rich!
@@sanketpatki that's what I said you are still above 1.4 Billion people...
@@KamilTanweerKhan And still only upper middle class!
@@sanketpatki yeah but still its better than striving for day to day meals like billions of Indians unfortunately.. Sadly 32K Rupees (381 USD)is average Income of Indian Population..
I believe that most of the students who come to the US for their master's degrees are generally from tier-2 or tier-3 colleges, often driven by a rat race mentality. Taking on substantial debts for this pursuit is indeed a significant risk for the middle class in India.
It is because in India , there are two kinds of job available 1. Average job , 2. Aspirational jobs . Average jobs pay as per India's market rate (India's gdp per capita is around 2800 $) . Aspirational jobs pay far above market rate and almost pay at per developed countries (12k $ per capita GDP ) . Only a small section of our population has access to aspirational jobs and to quite tough to get it . But in USA the average job itself pays around 93k$ (USA's gdp per capita is around 76k$) . There is no concept of aspirational jobs in USA . Even electrician , plumber , cab driver can earn a lot of money in USA . India has very high income disparity (hence students chase those aspirational jobs which are tought to get ) .
Really interesting! It felt like a thorough scientific study backed up by deep analysis!
Bro most honest video I ever seen keep going bro whatever u said was on point and accurate
very nicely put insights , this is something i had been thinking about lately
Middle class doesnt pay over 30lacs on tution fees and with part time and stuff a talented skillfull graduate can survive and grab a decent job post masters and even with 50-60k$ package he'd still be able to save double than india.
Its a bad idea to go to US at this time as recession may hit at any time unless it is for research programs and/or the student is very good with street smart skills. The jobs are getting harder, and as soon as recession hits, there will be no jobs for immigrants. Think about tens of lakhs you have to spend that took decades for your parents to earn. Think twice; India is doing very good, chances of succeeding in India is better is as India is progressing very fast. Wait for next 4-5 yrs.
😂😂😂😂 what will happen after 4-5 years more H1 B s green card applications 😂😂😂 from people born in India
If you can talk about the Tech Job Market like what skills are being hired more right now, be it DevOps, Cloud, SDE, Data, AI Etc. It'd be helpful
Very well spoken ! Simply put but with a business-like practical view ! Good one !
ur analytical skills are really good 👍
Outstanding! This video could not have come sooner
If u are able to save 20 lakhs then its good to be in India itself
Thoughful insights!! Totally agree with your definition of middle class💯
Please make a video on guide for PHD in Computer Science In USA for Indian Student with Btech in Cs. Please.
really great insights dude
What a clarity!! Keep enlightening !
Since I am planning my Masters abroad, I have gone through many vudeos on "Should you come to USA" and I must say this is the most relatable and to the point video.
So what do you decided?should you go or not?
yeah what did you decide ??
What have you decided?
I have friends working in Razor pay its overhyped and I believe lot of startups in bangalore dont provide the opptunity to make wealth which Usa does
you are absolutely amazing brother
Good informative video keep it up brother
Excellent clarity of thought and articulation including the choice of words and manner of presentation. I would like to offer you another perspective which you would lack due to your age and the stage of life you are in. Once you spend 5 years in US it is extremely difficult to move back if you have a family and your kids have lived in the convience of US society. Once you spent 7 or 10 years it becomes next to immpossible. At that point your kids are simply not ready to move to India and learn the hard grind. Second and third language mandates in Indian school makes the move immposible. At that point yours parents might need you, or you might have got some health issues that you cannot treat conviently in US healthcare system and you are frustrated of that GC will take forever; but if you move your kid will fail in second and third language so you can't move. There are more nuances, but I cannot type all of that 😊
This makes a lot of sense.
insightful!
great insights bro , keep up the good work !
Good analysis at this very young age. Keep up the good work. Let me put this way: In 1998, a person making 60K USD was able to buy a 31 grams of gold at 450 USD, In 2024, with the same salary of 60K, 31 grams of gold is price. Price of gold is 3.2x today compared to 1998 and the same cannot be said about Salary i.e. 60K in 1998 vs 192K today. Pursuing MS in US is not worth, If you do not have a citizenship or PR to begin with. Also application programming as reached a saturation point and there is no further paradigm shift in technology that I see in the next decade. The hype around Artificial Intelligence has reached worrying levels and the people who are getting displaced are not able to get Jobs anywhere and therefore US unemployment rate will reach is highest levels not see in decades. Another thing is the food inflation has also reached astronomical levels not seen before and the savings potential is being wiped off.
Thank you for explaining it very well. Yes its true H1B is pure luck and the US universities have increased their fees significantly high, the ROI is not making sense anymore and IT jobs in India are going to improve a lot. There is a reason why economists say "The Rise of the Asian Century"
Also include the de-dollarization process and how that will impact the economics.
This is probably the best video i saw today.
Good points. Too many come to USA for studies with main (many times only) aspiration to get a great job. This was, is and will always be a bad reason to come to US.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
There are no jobs in IT currently. Lot of students returning with debt. It is very true. If you have limited cash don’t come.
Thank you so much for speaking in english. 🙏
yeah thats why US Fang companies are laying off heavily😢
Good message. People are unnecessary wasting money .
Its huge money ,
US wabrs only high talented students only. and IT jobs outsourced and on decline
perfectly broken down 😊
this video is gold!
Wonderful points man! Keep it up!
This one video is worth enough for subscribing
Perfectly articulate
Even the US has innovative startup’s much better payment companies than razorpay. And you are right about faang interview in India. Google interview in India is much harder than the US one. In many ways US is better but the biggest problem in US is visa and immigration. Getting H1B is an issue and once on H1 visa renewals and GC process is an issue.
The job situation across the world will be tighter in the coming years. People will be working on less salaries from now in most of fields due to more competition, less number of opportunities, rise of automation and AI and other factors. Do not burn your money by spending a fortune on getting a foreign degree that is not a ticket to a lucrative job anymore. It is not 1990s.
This is a great video, I would love to hear more on the 20lpa in India vs risking it to come to US.
Really smart inputs 💯
thankyou this video was a eye opener for me
Hi Abir,
I am currently pursuing my BTech, 4th year, in Computer Science. I am considering going for a master's degree, but I am confused about whether I should pursue it or not. Based on my campus placement prospects, I expect to secure a job with a salary of around 4-6 LPA. I’m seeking advice on whether gaining work experience first really matters. Should I take the risk and pursue a master's degree in the US? Personally, I’ve always wanted to live in the US since childhood-not just for financial reasons, but to explore myself, experience a different lifestyle, and improve my ability to navigate life in the future. Our family’s net assets are around 1.5-2 crore, and I would need to take out a loan for my studies. I’ve also spoken to some of my seniors, and they mentioned that the decision ultimately depends on my ability to handle it. They also pointed out that no one can guarantee the job market will be better in two years; in fact, it could worsen. I hope to receive your guidance, as I believe you can provide the insight I’m looking for.
Excellent analysis!
Pls make video on job market for cybersecurity especially for Indian/international students.
Very well summed up....
Hi I am earning around 20+ lacs in India annually. But I went to USA for my masters and completed two semesters then came back due to some personal issues. Now I am thinking to go back to USA in March 2025 to complete my degree. Should I go or not ? Can you please tell me
Very well-made video, my research matches with yours. Even my motivation is a change of pace, a new experience, and the quality of education. In Australia, where I'm headed, I feel there is a small chance for people whose net worth is around 2 Cr to even have their visa approved. They're asking for a minimum of Rs 10 Lac ITR (single person) for the past 3 years these days and above 16Lacs in FD or savings (outside of loan amount), and overall the visa application is pretty expensive and a huge headache. Moreover, the housing crisis and job scenario are worse than in the previous couple of decades. You need to have a strong backup plan or it's not worth it anymore.
for someone in aerospace , US is a place for me,.............people saying masters there isnt worth it just breaks my heart
Well said 💯
Nice analysis
This is my take
For Example consider someone in Twitch makes 10 lakh per year and then you come to us on your own money and some loan.
One should also calculate time to repay loan and recover tuition fees and then make up for all this lost time in India ( in terms of money which one can earn in india while working) which people don't consider. So your next 5 years are locked then you after that toy start again making something and then people buy house again they are in debt.
US market is in recession ,even experienced developer cannot find job,so obviously people who are new to the market will find it more hard 😊
You're better off going to Europe, it's cheaper for University, And less overworklng society. You may not last past 15 years in America because all you will do is Work and get no time for Vacations to rest your brain.
What have you kept the title and what are you talking about, this create a confusion whether to go USA for study or not .Don't create confusion.
Extremely insightful video, keep up the good work❤
No matter how you look at it.. going to US and returning will swcure you a better job than being avg student in india and doing pg here. Most of my friends went to US.
Its always better to have work experience before joining Mtech.
Both in India and abroad.
For masters too expensive in the U.S and not worth that cost, but work in the U.S is great. my cousin did her master in Switzerland then moved to the U.S with the H1b
Nicely put. Please put some insight on Accounting or Finance opportunities.
There is so much competition right now for too few spots. I see 100's of OPT/CPT Indian students posting for positions in the company I work for all the time. They are now enacting an HR policy of not sponsoring H1B, which is a big risk for these students. That coupled with AI and Automation, im not really sure how these students are all going to make it. You really need a lot of luck.
well coverd
Can you name which revolutionary steps India has taken in last ten years ? India has become inhospitable. No water, electricity and roads. So called convinanices are chores done highly underpaid and overworked people. I live in metro city and basic infrastructure is crumbling apart. Half hour of rain and waist deep water.
Everything is improving in India.
About your rain issue,almost all countries will face water logging in heavy rainfall.
To say human can win against nature's fury is sheer st*pidity.
Well komal you said it no wonder Indians want to leave country.
He is talking about overall developed digital infra in terms of fast and enhanced payment systems which have enabled direct cash transfers to the rural agro based class and also to some extent to urban poor like increased health cover, insurance, etc.
Yes its the middle class at whose expense we are able to fund and dole all these benfits kut and so definately the govt needs to do something exclusive for them.
@@saurabhshinde3540 When you are lacking basic facilities like drainage,isn't doing that most important than dreaming huge?
Journey is from bottom to top.
So first basics need to be done.
If you were civil engineer,you would be driving in Hyundai creta by now in just 3 years after findinv out how bad last 70 years were.
Everything takes time.
Great video
Talk about roles in finance in The Us.
You missed one point.
If your interntion to come to the US is a potential immigration. Then don’t worry even think about coming to the US.
Very well explained and and the analysis is really interesting, that is what it’s a hard truth in USA, specially for the years 2023 - 2027, high inflation, high recession, no h1b, high expenses. The Indian guys do not want to admit the reality and spending years in odd jobs is not at all the solution to the problem. When we are spending above 50K fucking dollars, and then also try to do odd job makes no sense.
Hey. Im planning to come to US for masters in Civil engineering having 4 yrs of experience in USA company in INDIA but just worried about the Visa thing if things didn't worked out and I didn't get the job there then this loan thing will be not possible for me which is summing up around 50 lakhs for now.
How fair is that if there is no financial background and my entire expenses for moving to US are from a loan , Job in India was not my area of interest but then landed as a contact center representative at hsbc with 4LPA as a fresher , and planning to move to masters ? Is that a wise decision?
Each minute of the video was backed with examples. Amazing video!
Hope this reaches to students who are planning to pursue a master’s degree in the US.
thanks for english video