I am surprised that a guy as young as you has so much clarity … every point you made is spot on … I have been living 20yrs in USA and can vouch that everything you said is 100% correct .. couldn’t have put it better
Hey, excellent research and insights. I completely agree with you. I left a job in Fortune 1 back in India with a salary over 20 LPA to pursue studies and gain experience, not for the money. Even though I'm managing every day, life here feels like a constant struggle, and I can't help but compare it to my life in India. Clearing the debt will make it worthwhile, but if I had the chance, I don't think I would do it again. The cost is just too high, and it seems that luck plays a bigger role than talent these days.
Excellent clarity of thought and articulation including the choice of words and manner of presentation. I would like to offer you another perspective which you would lack due to your age and the stage of life you are in. Once you spend 5 years in US it is extremely difficult to move back if you have a family and your kids have lived in the convience of US society. Once you spent 7 or 10 years it becomes next to immpossible. At that point your kids are simply not ready to move to India and learn the hard grind. Second and third language mandates in Indian school makes the move immposible. At that point yours parents might need you, or you might have got some health issues that you cannot treat conviently in US healthcare system and you are frustrated of that GC will take forever; but if you move your kid will fail in second and third language so you can't move. There are more nuances, but I cannot type all of that 😊
I feel like all this university ranking are just to pump up the tuition rates for international students at the end of the day, your knowledge and skills would be important in Job market.
I’m currently a masters student in mechanical engineering and this will be my second year. To anyone coming for fall semester, whatever major you are in please gain some experience and arrive here , most of us are suffering here without internship or work opportunities because of no experience, don’t make that mistake.
its not worth it, simply speaking its not. my cousin moved to US 4 years back, he graduated from NEU (MSDAE) got a job at one of the largest insurance company, got 2 back to back award for being the best DS, he has 4 certifications but he could not get his H1B the company really wanted him there and they did what they could, he is back in india now and is making 32 LPA but at what cost ?? he would have anyways made 32 LPA but now he is debt of whopping 38 lakhs ( it was 60 lakhs total but he has paid 24 lakhs ) even if you are talented, even if you have skills getting the H1B is pure luck based.
i don't think it's whopping, if you're making 32LPA, 3 to 4 years max he'd be able to pay off. But would he get that appreciation and experience in India? i don't think so. After a certain point money need not be the sole depiction of a situation. Maybe he'd be able to answer that better.
Agreed, the current H1B system is bad and can screw you over. You can work hard, do everything right, and come out with huge debt. I have an Indian friend from NEU who is working an "unpaid internship" (slave labor) and trying to ride out the tech market slowdown. It's not a skill issue. It's just random luck.
@@gaurav13020 yeah many people aren't basically paying the loan back nowadays. Thankfully their parents are loaded I guess. These fields like Data Science, IT, etc pretty much don't have as many jobs as the consultants advertise
Didn't realize it was a 16min video-it felt like only 4-5 minutes! You shared wonderful points that students need to consider. Please keep making these kinds of videos, they're incredibly valuable.
This was such a such a well put video. These exact thoughts were going in my mind from the past few days. Glad, I’m not the only one who thoroughly acknowledges that migrating to US in our Dad’s time was way easier and also logical. The ROI they got is unmatched but now I fear to put my feet in unknown waters. The risk is too damn high. Even after we get a job, we aren’t even sure how long this software field would sustain and also visa headache, oh and btw good luck getting not shot by a random angry person
Firstly, you speak very well so great job! Wish you lots of success. This is quite a realistic take on life in India vs the US. And yes, many people prefer the life of convenience in India over doing their own work in the US. I have been in New York since 2019 (moved from Delhi) and do recommend everyone to live abroad once in their lifetime. It helps build a lot of resilience. And one can always go back to their home country. I love living in the US, because I love clean air, disciplined driving and open spaces and respect of everyone, regardless of what they do.
Human overpopulation is the root cause of the tragedy in India. Not to mention a host of other socioeconomic problems we face today. In 1947, the population of India was close to 320 million. India has added another 800+ million since then. And somehow, magically, its citizens expect a supply system that periodically adjusts to a large population's demand for goods and services. China is the only country on the same scale and has done better at achieving order/governance. But, then again, they have earned it by brute force. Not to mention all the industrial activity has resulted in large-scale environmental damage - water/air/soil for which we will pay sooner or later. In comparison, the population of the U.S in 2021 is close to 330 million. The total land area is about 3.5 times that is of India, and an economy that is many times bigger. Picture India in 2021 if it were around 500/550 million people.
@@Robin-qu5jm yea so basically all the jobs are getting offshored currently away from the US, so its that much more difficult to get in in the US, however its a lot easier in India cause thats where all the jobs are going to
Bro your analysis is spot on, but earning 20-25 lpa is the best salary you can get. And most of these salaries are paid by startups which are very volatile in nature. Second thing you didn't consider is when company says 25 lpa, they are talking about CTC. It means that inhand salary is around 15-16 lac. Hardly you'll find anyone in india making 3lac per month. The whole CTC is inflated thing. Whereas these salaries are being offered in Banglore/Hyderabad where cost of living has increased significantly. I still believe it's much more easy to save 1000 dollars than 1 lac in India. Thanks for your analysis.
Yeah so the same goes US as well my man. Earning >100k$ is not common unless you are in California. Also take into consideration the visa constraint , who knows whether you will get an H1B. "If you make $100,000 a year living in the region of California, USA, you will be taxed $29,959. That means that your net pay will be $70,041 per year, or $5,837 per month. Your average tax rate is 30.0% and your marginal tax rate is 42.6%". So saving 1000-1500$ in USA in not too different than saving 80k or 1lakhs in India.
@@kattusking7146 that's not average salary brother, if you look at average salaries in IT you'll understand what I'm saying. Look at average salaries in US compare it with Indian salaries. Their are exceptions in US as well where people make 200-300k. Which is far more than on Indian counter part.
I had admits from university for fall 24 and by hearing the condition of the job market I dropped my decision to going to the US. The fresh graduates are competing with people who got laid off + the backlog of Students who are searching for job for the last 2 years. The situation is unlikely to change in the next 2 year sadly.
@@user-gx1tr7nu5b agree .. only come if you get through a very good school or low tuition fees ... I am h4 dependent and don't need to pay for rent and food and car.. and my tuition fees is 25k .. so it is ok.. I have eleven years work ex and moving to edtech.. better to be in a stem course that is not CS or DS.. maybe market is still ok for electrical and manufacturing
It would be really helpful if you could get batch mates from different streams. Parallely few topics you can help with is: 1. Is it the bad market or saturated industry? (Eg. UX Design, DS, etc.) 2. Purely psychological take on moving abroad. There's a significant information on monetary decision making but less of social impact. Parents usually put -loss of cultural value. 3. Role of infrastructure in tech or other industries. Maybe a list once you've enough data. 4. Personal: Current tech start-up ecosystem - I believe one can be on the innovation end of things, unsure if true. I might be joining ASU this fall :)
Only a fraction of student opt for masters for the sake of education and skills. They opt for masters as foot in the door in the USA so that they can do whatever it takes to stay back. This is a shame. Most of the students are able to do it as parents are more than willing to sponsor their children and take loans to send children abroad without knowing the implications.
@@cbazxy2697 Most of the students in Telugu states end up doing Btech, because of the pressure from society to become a software engineer, and there’re shitload of engineering colleges in Andhra and Telangana who’d gladly sell you an admission very cheaply. So, when they can’t find a job in India after graduation, their next option is to go to USA.
It's not worth it anymore, I was in US last year and i was shocked at the cost of living, housing price increase and the lack of wage growth. To top it all, the frequent recessions and job losses. Earlier people used to think that once you had a green card it's all rose and glory, not anymore. Even citizens are being layed off left right and centre. If this is the case, what job guarantee and safety doing you have? Also GC backlog is also not going away anytime soon. Think and decide.
Exactly, every part of the world is doomed. Nowhere to go as of now...this is how the economic cycle works, from last so many years the US has been so rewarding in terms of monetary gains and a positive career trajectory but now the cycle is in a downwards trend be it housing, job market ...and will remain like this for years to come before improving again ( which completes the cycle)..also the US needs political stability, it's the need of the hour
I believe Industrial or Supply Chain professionals are underpaid in India and you also mentioned about industrial folks moving there. How's the current demand for such professionals there? It would be really helpful if you could share some insights
iT is skilled based profession it's not much about what degree you have but what skills you have. 70% of Indian IT companies work for US based clients. If you come to USA to work and get opportunity to work closely with client then it makes sense. If you coming to do masters from some average university in USA and don't get work permit to work in USA after doing masters then you are just incurring student loan debt and not gaining anything much except for frustration. Most students won't get opportunity to do work in USA and won't gain must skilss. They will only burn money and waste time. To summarize come to USA after gaining experience in india and don't come to do masters leaving decent job in India. It won't help much, come on student visa only if you getting in tier 1 university.
My sis is going to US for job with US client. Few months back,I was curious to know when will my third tier city's state transport bus stand will get reopened. I didn't even thought about US before this new opportunity. My sis studied in our city college so that expenses are not out of budget. Now 10 years experience in top tier company in Pune.
No matter how you look at it.. going to US and returning will swcure you a better job than being avg student in india and doing pg here. Most of my friends went to US.
The best route would be to have free education in Germany, Gaining experience in Germany for some years without any debt and getting german PR and later moving it to USA. This route has less debt, no issues with H1B and exploring europe being a bachelor.
German PR and citizenship are too different things. Also, the average time to receive a German Citizenship is around 8-10 years and it’s increasing every year. Also, if you want employment in Germany, you need excellent command on German Language. Only few tech-specific roles do not require an advanced certification in German. Also, many states like Bavaria has already introduced tuition fee from international students. As per my knowledge, other major states are about to implement similar policies and in next 2-3 years, German universities would not offer free education to Foreigners. In short, there is no perfect country to emigrate to. They all have their own sets of challenges. You can get best opportunities only in your home country. I feel if you are working in tech, do not go abroad. You can literally have the same lifestyle and success here in tech with half the efforts. I have met IITians with CS background leaving 25-30 lpa packages right after Btech and going for masters in US. That’s an extremely dumb thing to do. People from non-tech backgrounds can definitely assess their options due to bleak outcomes in India but also remember non-tech jobs do have less competition than tech but the opportunities are also limited.
Thanks for giving a balanced perspective. This will help a lot of people before taking huge debts coming to the USA. On a personal level, I saw the immigration problems in the US and decided to go to Germany. It has worked out well but you are right about taking a calculated risk. There is no guarantee any life.
Almost agree with averyrhing in this wonderful video. Except i dont think it is a no brainer to come here for nonCS line. Very hard to get mechanical engineering jobs and definitely lower pay. Same like India, but no point at all leaving a stable job and coming here
How fair is that if there is no financial background and my entire expenses for moving to US are from a loan , Job in India was not my area of interest but then landed as a contact center representative at hsbc with 4LPA as a fresher , and planning to move to masters ? Is that a wise decision?
Its a bad idea to go to US at this time as recession may hit at any time unless it is for research programs and/or the student is very good with street smart skills. The jobs are getting harder, and as soon as recession hits, there will be no jobs for immigrants. Think about tens of lakhs you have to spend that took decades for your parents to earn. Think twice; India is doing very good, chances of succeeding in India is better is as India is progressing very fast. Wait for next 4-5 yrs.
Hi Abir, Quick Question: 1. Fully Funded PhD in Physics at LSU, Not sure about opportunities after PhD 2. A stable government police job, but salary and standard of living is low Which is better, if your plan is long-term settlement and earning a lot of legal money. Are there enough opportunities for Physics Phd graduates?
Physics is a really tough major for jobs. You almost certainly have to one or more post docs. But I can see why you may want to move on from a government job although it is very secure.
Good points. Too many come to USA for studies with main (many times only) aspiration to get a great job. This was, is and will always be a bad reason to come to US.
I agree and disagree in terms of money, iam from south and I went for studying, science and fo research. Agree money was also in the bucket list, but that was not the major criteria. In fact I came back literally with negative money that can be a reason why I came back but there were other reasons. But in the process u learn how science has been applied in industry. However ur perception changes once you start working in US where companies start looking in terms of money. That doesn't mean money, you go towards money part, you can stand for science and research. I do think that makes a lot of difference in how you look at the world. I agree with you on competition part, in india there is competition but not much progress in science, research which is really needed. Cracking examination is one part but cultivating research, creative skills is not there is India, which is other reason why people go there. There the system gives you time to think, ponder and conduct research, in India it is only with few institutes such as IIT,IISC. The labs are well developed in US. Agree if you know how to make money US is best place, but for research too US is better place. But I do know there is north south east west indians differences in terms of perception about US. It would be better if you get their perceptions with varied age group. I also those who went during the 70s went for education, science atleast from the south. Subramanian chandrasekhar went for science, education not for money.Thinghs started to change during the Y2k boom. Life style is one part, but dealing with people is another part, India needs to develop in terms of ethical practices which will definitely take time. Cleaner roads ect come in when we start to value others life too as part of a public property. Patience is something lacking in India, everything cannot be achieved by short cut ways.
I believe that most of the students who come to the US for their master's degrees are generally from tier-2 or tier-3 colleges, often driven by a rat race mentality. Taking on substantial debts for this pursuit is indeed a significant risk for the middle class in India.
It is because in India , there are two kinds of job available 1. Average job , 2. Aspirational jobs . Average jobs pay as per India's market rate (India's gdp per capita is around 2800 $) . Aspirational jobs pay far above market rate and almost pay at per developed countries (12k $ per capita GDP ) . Only a small section of our population has access to aspirational jobs and to quite tough to get it . But in USA the average job itself pays around 93k$ (USA's gdp per capita is around 76k$) . There is no concept of aspirational jobs in USA . Even electrician , plumber , cab driver can earn a lot of money in USA . India has very high income disparity (hence students chase those aspirational jobs which are tought to get ) .
Hey, I am a doing material science engineering from a top college in India and i expect to get a decent placement in my core sector. ( between 12 to 15 lpa) but I don't know what will be my growth rate and honestly there is not much good scope . So how are the job prospects for material science engineers in the US and what sort of money can I expect to make? I come from a lower middle-class family and money is an important aspect of my life.
Excellent clarity of thought and articulation including the choice of words and manner of presentation. I would like to offer you another perspective which you would lack due to your age and the stage of life you are in. Once you spend 5 years in US it is extremely difficult to move back if you have a family and your kids have lived in the convience of US society. Once you spent 7 or 10 years it becomes next to immpossible. At that point your kids are simply not ready to move to India and learn the hard grind. Second and third language mandates in Indian school makes the move immposible. At that point yours parents might need you, or you might have got some health issues that you cannot treat conviently in US healthcare system and you are frustrated of that GC will take forever; but if you move your kid will fail in second and third language so you can't move. There are more nuances, but I cannot type all of that 😊
Very well-made video, my research matches with yours. Even my motivation is a change of pace, a new experience, and the quality of education. In Australia, where I'm headed, I feel there is a small chance for people whose net worth is around 2 Cr to even have their visa approved. They're asking for a minimum of Rs 10 Lac ITR (single person) for the past 3 years these days and above 16Lacs in FD or savings (outside of loan amount), and overall the visa application is pretty expensive and a huge headache. Moreover, the housing crisis and job scenario are worse than in the previous couple of decades. You need to have a strong backup plan or it's not worth it anymore.
Problem with Indian is they hang around in west with mostly Indian friend and never tried to understand local life or have local friend. You have much better family and happy life in India compared to west. West is good for 15 to 20 years max to work if came after college. In india even after so much struggle earning average 10/12 lakh per year from adult to middle age life is more happy in India compare to west where lonliness and problem start after 50 or 55 years of age and lonely life and less attached children for rest of life..
Almost 10 years ago, people would go to USA for masters(and then to settle down there) ! Times have changed, in 2024. Software is eating away most of the jobs. MOST of the well paid jobs and programming jobs, and MOST of such jobs can be done remotely. Programming can ONLY be self taught. So, in future, schools and college degrees would be of use to less than 1000 people, on Earth, and most people humans would try to master a skill and shall try to gain mastery over it. Indians should start preparing themselves for global jobs, by ditching Indian education system, and depending solely, on Udemy/TH-cam for education.
This analysis is spot on, providing a comprehensive breakdown of the decision-making process when considering studying or working in the US. Excellent job 👌
Thanks for the informative video Masters in Health Informatics would be a good decision to do at this time ? Does recession affect health sector also ?
3 years ago our clients forced us to accept payment in USD, but seeing US minting trillion of dollars out of thin air Europe clients have understood and started payment in Euros Pounds instead years ago eg To pay us 1.5 USD they were shelling out there just 1 pound. But if now they do the same to pay the same USD dollar amount to us they need 1.25 Pound. Our cybersecurity Europe client had predicted which many others still have no clue And now all major countries are forming alliance and also finding USD alternative Its not only russia india and china but UK Europe as well Please enlighten in uSa i
Nice analysis This is my take For Example consider someone in Twitch makes 10 lakh per year and then you come to us on your own money and some loan. One should also calculate time to repay loan and recover tuition fees and then make up for all this lost time in India ( in terms of money which one can earn in india while working) which people don't consider. So your next 5 years are locked then you after that toy start again making something and then people buy house again they are in debt.
There is so much competition right now for too few spots. I see 100's of OPT/CPT Indian students posting for positions in the company I work for all the time. They are now enacting an HR policy of not sponsoring H1B, which is a big risk for these students. That coupled with AI and Automation, im not really sure how these students are all going to make it. You really need a lot of luck.
Since I am planning my Masters abroad, I have gone through many vudeos on "Should you come to USA" and I must say this is the most relatable and to the point video.
Bro, how is the job market for CPA in the USA? Many institutions are claiming shortages of Accountants, is it a boon to Indians who pursue CPA in India? Is it really worth it?
Just one question , i am in tier 3 college purusing Btech CSE, family barely a mark of "1 cr wali family" and me and my father are bullish for a ms now, i have been watching these videos but, cant understand what to do now, should i still have the american dream or should i opt for jobs in india? i know its getting luck based but what if the odds gets favourable to me or what to do if it doesnt! please reply.
Try to optimize for costs, and quantify risk: A university that has a lot of assistantship opportunities (this is very difficult to research, so you'll have to cold DM a lot of people) is going to be your best bet.
Better go to Germany which has free education. The quality of education is better than the US. The tech field is dynamic and whatever you have learnt in your masters might not be there after some years. So invest less on tech degrees
You should have spoken about the safety issues in US - mass shootings are so common. Just curious - how do your parents sleep peacefully knowing that you are in US?
Good analysis at this very young age. Keep up the good work. Let me put this way: In 1998, a person making 60K USD was able to buy a 31 grams of gold at 450 USD, In 2024, with the same salary of 60K, 31 grams of gold is price. Price of gold is 3.2x today compared to 1998 and the same cannot be said about Salary i.e. 60K in 1998 vs 192K today. Pursuing MS in US is not worth, If you do not have a citizenship or PR to begin with. Also application programming as reached a saturation point and there is no further paradigm shift in technology that I see in the next decade. The hype around Artificial Intelligence has reached worrying levels and the people who are getting displaced are not able to get Jobs anywhere and therefore US unemployment rate will reach is highest levels not see in decades. Another thing is the food inflation has also reached astronomical levels not seen before and the savings potential is being wiped off.
Quick question: a) Offer from Georgia Tech MS Mechanical Engineering? b) or Offer from Airbus north of the hard salary number? Leaning towards Airbus, as I feel that even though market for tech is bad, the market for AE is non existent.
Run the hard numbers: Ask yourself 1. How much are you making and saving with the Airbus salary? 2. How much would a 100K job compare to this salary? 3. Is your inclination towards a short-term or a long-term plan in US?
See I'm Doing BE in AI in mumbai and honestly want to study more like go deep and study bit by bit how things work (I love technologies so much and want to excel ) and at the same time about money my family is above 2Cr mark so its fine but its in asset form so have to sell to be get in, Sooo my quesion is that is it worth it...(af course i want your opinion)
Human overpopulation is the root cause of the tragedy in India. Not to mention a host of other socioeconomic problems we face today. In 1947, the population of India was close to 320 million. India has added another 800+ million since then. And somehow, magically, its citizens expect a supply system that periodically adjusts to a large population's demand for goods and services. China is the only country on the same scale and has done better at achieving order/governance. But, then again, they have earned it by brute force. Not to mention all the industrial activity has resulted in large-scale environmental damage - water/air/soil for which we will pay sooner or later. In comparison, the population of the U.S in 2021 is close to 330 million. The total land area is about 3.5 times that is of India, and an economy that is many times bigger. Picture India in 2021 if it were around 500/550 million people.
thank you for your insights! do you happen to know anyone who switched from CS to another niche stream within STEM by coming to the US for their masters? i have no research experience in bioinformatics and i didn't pursue biology in 10+2 but i would really like to pursue this stream and i'm ready to take the time to put in any work required to improve my profile. seeing all these videos makes me wonder if i'm cooked
A niche that is seeing a lot of growth is semiconductors (Nvidia, Micron, TSMC, ASML) - so I think CS + embedded/firmware/GPU exposure is a solid niche (because supply of talent is low) I'm afraid I do not have any solid info on the bioinformatics side.
@@abirbhattacharjee5227 Bro for incoming fall 24 MS CS Student at GSU without TA/RA... would you suggest going for it? The salary is not great... It is around 6 LPA
Hi! I was wanting to come to the US for my mba, to go to top B schools after my engineering in india because in the US i feel like the networking opportunities in these unis r very diverse and also ROI is very much high than indian b schools. Please give me some advice from ur side x
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I am surprised that a guy as young as you has so much clarity … every point you made is spot on …
I have been living 20yrs in USA and can vouch that everything you said is 100% correct .. couldn’t have put it better
Thank you!
The r/IndiansStudyAbroad is a pretty good group imho, they share a lot of information
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Hey, excellent research and insights. I completely agree with you. I left a job in Fortune 1 back in India with a salary over 20 LPA to pursue studies and gain experience, not for the money. Even though I'm managing every day, life here feels like a constant struggle, and I can't help but compare it to my life in India. Clearing the debt will make it worthwhile, but if I had the chance, I don't think I would do it again. The cost is just too high, and it seems that luck plays a bigger role than talent these days.
Agreed! Agreed!
Skill issue.?
What did you study?? Did you do on campus jobs with studies
Excellent clarity of thought and articulation including the choice of words and manner of presentation. I would like to offer you another perspective which you would lack due to your age and the stage of life you are in. Once you spend 5 years in US it is extremely difficult to move back if you have a family and your kids have lived in the convience of US society. Once you spent 7 or 10 years it becomes next to immpossible. At that point your kids are simply not ready to move to India and learn the hard grind. Second and third language mandates in Indian school makes the move immposible. At that point yours parents might need you, or you might have got some health issues that you cannot treat conviently in US healthcare system and you are frustrated of that GC will take forever; but if you move your kid will fail in second and third language so you can't move. There are more nuances, but I cannot type all of that 😊
@@Jayantahit it's the fact but can we more details about it
I feel like all this university ranking are just to pump up the tuition rates for international students at the end of the day, your knowledge and skills would be important in Job market.
I’m currently a masters student in mechanical engineering and this will be my second year.
To anyone coming for fall semester, whatever major you are in please gain some experience and arrive here , most of us are suffering here without internship or work opportunities because of no experience, don’t make that mistake.
Hi can you drop your email i have some questions, can you help me out i am planning to come to us for masters in mechanical engineering
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its not worth it, simply speaking its not.
my cousin moved to US 4 years back, he graduated from NEU (MSDAE) got a job at one of the largest insurance company, got 2 back to back award for being the best DS, he has 4 certifications but he could not get his H1B the company really wanted him there and they did what they could, he is back in india now and is making 32 LPA but at what cost ?? he would have anyways made 32 LPA but now he is debt of whopping 38 lakhs ( it was 60 lakhs total but he has paid 24 lakhs ) even if you are talented, even if you have skills getting the H1B is pure luck based.
Thanks for sharing the story. Great example of how winning becomes difficult even after winning (What is even winning? Getting a job? Getting H1B?)
was your cousin not able to payback the loan on 3 years of OPT?
i don't think it's whopping, if you're making 32LPA, 3 to 4 years max he'd be able to pay off. But would he get that appreciation and experience in India? i don't think so. After a certain point money need not be the sole depiction of a situation. Maybe he'd be able to answer that better.
Agreed, the current H1B system is bad and can screw you over. You can work hard, do everything right, and come out with huge debt. I have an Indian friend from NEU who is working an "unpaid internship" (slave labor) and trying to ride out the tech market slowdown. It's not a skill issue. It's just random luck.
@@gaurav13020 yeah many people aren't basically paying the loan back nowadays. Thankfully their parents are loaded I guess. These fields like Data Science, IT, etc pretty much don't have as many jobs as the consultants advertise
Didn't realize it was a 16min video-it felt like only 4-5 minutes! You shared wonderful points that students need to consider. Please keep making these kinds of videos, they're incredibly valuable.
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Probably the best comment for any video! Irrespective of the domain the video works.
Another point if someone is considering is the research environment. Might be much better in the US than India. Ofc, if someone is looking for that.
This was such a such a well put video. These exact thoughts were going in my mind from the past few days. Glad, I’m not the only one who thoroughly acknowledges that migrating to US in our Dad’s time was way easier and also logical. The ROI they got is unmatched but now I fear to put my feet in unknown waters. The risk is too damn high. Even after we get a job, we aren’t even sure how long this software field would sustain and also visa headache, oh and btw good luck getting not shot by a random angry person
Firstly, you speak very well so great job! Wish you lots of success.
This is quite a realistic take on life in India vs the US. And yes, many people prefer the life of convenience in India over doing their own work in the US. I have been in New York since 2019 (moved from Delhi) and do recommend everyone to live abroad once in their lifetime. It helps build a lot of resilience. And one can always go back to their home country.
I love living in the US, because I love clean air, disciplined driving and open spaces and respect of everyone, regardless of what they do.
for what course did you move to NY?
Human overpopulation is the root cause of the tragedy in India. Not to mention a host of other socioeconomic problems we face today. In 1947, the population of India was close to 320 million. India has added another 800+ million since then. And somehow, magically, its citizens expect a supply system that periodically adjusts to a large population's demand for goods and services. China is the only country on the same scale and has done better at achieving order/governance. But, then again, they have earned it by brute force. Not to mention all the industrial activity has resulted in large-scale environmental damage - water/air/soil for which we will pay sooner or later.
In comparison, the population of the U.S in 2021 is close to 330 million. The total land area is about 3.5 times that is of India, and an economy that is many times bigger. Picture India in 2021 if it were around 500/550 million people.
Cracking FAANG in US today is far far more difficult than in India btw
i dont know about india but in the US i already gave 11 interviews at Amazon and didnt get through
@@Robin-qu5jm yea so basically all the jobs are getting offshored currently away from the US, so its that much more difficult to get in in the US, however its a lot easier in India cause thats where all the jobs are going to
Bro your analysis is spot on, but earning 20-25 lpa is the best salary you can get. And most of these salaries are paid by startups which are very volatile in nature. Second thing you didn't consider is when company says 25 lpa, they are talking about CTC. It means that inhand salary is around 15-16 lac. Hardly you'll find anyone in india making 3lac per month. The whole CTC is inflated thing. Whereas these salaries are being offered in Banglore/Hyderabad where cost of living has increased significantly. I still believe it's much more easy to save 1000 dollars than 1 lac in India. Thanks for your analysis.
Yeah so the same goes US as well my man. Earning >100k$ is not common unless you are in California. Also take into consideration the visa constraint , who knows whether you will get an H1B. "If you make $100,000 a year living in the region of California, USA, you will be taxed $29,959. That means that your net pay will be $70,041 per year, or $5,837 per month. Your average tax rate is 30.0% and your marginal tax rate is 42.6%". So saving 1000-1500$ in USA in not too different than saving 80k or 1lakhs in India.
Bro my cousin salary is 45 lpa along with incentives.
@@kattusking7146 that's not average salary brother, if you look at average salaries in IT you'll understand what I'm saying. Look at average salaries in US compare it with Indian salaries. Their are exceptions in US as well where people make 200-300k. Which is far more than on Indian counter part.
I had admits from university for fall 24 and by hearing the condition of the job market I dropped my decision to going to the US. The fresh graduates are competing with people who got laid off + the backlog of Students who are searching for job for the last 2 years. The situation is unlikely to change in the next 2 year sadly.
I am also thinking about postponing my plan to do MS in USA . What is happening is really unfortunate for the students.
better to drop . Not even postponing would help as situation is not going to improve
@@user-gx1tr7nu5bwhy do you say it is not going to improve ?
I am planning to postpone too. I've been postponing since Aug 2023. Idk I've lost hope of things improving now and tbh i feel lost.
@@user-gx1tr7nu5b agree .. only come if you get through a very good school or low tuition fees ... I am h4 dependent and don't need to pay for rent and food and car.. and my tuition fees is 25k .. so it is ok.. I have eleven years work ex and moving to edtech.. better to be in a stem course that is not CS or DS.. maybe market is still ok for electrical and manufacturing
It would be really helpful if you could get batch mates from different streams. Parallely few topics you can help with is:
1. Is it the bad market or saturated industry? (Eg. UX Design, DS, etc.)
2. Purely psychological take on moving abroad. There's a significant information on monetary decision making but less of social impact. Parents usually put -loss of cultural value.
3. Role of infrastructure in tech or other industries. Maybe a list once you've enough data.
4. Personal: Current tech start-up ecosystem - I believe one can be on the innovation end of things, unsure if true.
I might be joining ASU this fall :)
Only a fraction of student opt for masters for the sake of education and skills. They opt for masters as foot in the door in the USA so that they can do whatever it takes to stay back. This is a shame. Most of the students are able to do it as parents are more than willing to sponsor their children and take loans to send children abroad without knowing the implications.
Now with the current market situation and the advent of artificial intelligence, this might reduce
This is the actual reason. Most of them don’t just immigrate for education but a way to escape India.
90% of the students are from Telugu states with no experience or skills.
why's that? Are Telugu that rich or is it like Punjabi's preferring Cannada?
@@cbazxy2697 Most of the students in Telugu states end up doing Btech, because of the pressure from society to become a software engineer, and there’re shitload of engineering colleges in Andhra and Telangana who’d gladly sell you an admission very cheaply. So, when they can’t find a job in India after graduation, their next option is to go to USA.
It is like punjabis preferring Canada @@cbazxy2697
50% IIT have Telugu people so according to u without knowledge talent they r cracking IIT exam
@@kalyanreddy7833 accept reality 😃
This is the most pragmatic video i have ever come across on how to choose to if we have to peruse MS or into.
Very well spoken ! Simply put but with a business-like practical view ! Good one !
This cleared a lot of my doubts. Thanks Buddy
Bro most honest video I ever seen keep going bro whatever u said was on point and accurate
I've always wondered how people manage their families while staying abroad - especially those in the US
Good one bro , I've been into this journey and I can say that the points put out here are 100% accurate Thanks!!!
It's not worth it anymore, I was in US last year and i was shocked at the cost of living, housing price increase and the lack of wage growth. To top it all, the frequent recessions and job losses. Earlier people used to think that once you had a green card it's all rose and glory, not anymore. Even citizens are being layed off left right and centre. If this is the case, what job guarantee and safety doing you have? Also GC backlog is also not going away anytime soon. Think and decide.
Exactly, every part of the world is doomed. Nowhere to go as of now...this is how the economic cycle works, from last so many years the US has been so rewarding in terms of monetary gains and a positive career trajectory but now the cycle is in a downwards trend be it housing, job market ...and will remain like this for years to come before improving again ( which completes the cycle)..also the US needs political stability, it's the need of the hour
Lovely explanation...
Nt worth going to US for MS if earning 25 lakh plus salary in India
As getting H1B is purely luck
2 lac a month is a good money India..
very nicely put insights , this is something i had been thinking about lately
This one video is worth enough for subscribing
What a clarity!! Keep enlightening !
I believe Industrial or Supply Chain professionals are underpaid in India and you also mentioned about industrial folks moving there. How's the current demand for such professionals there? It would be really helpful if you could share some insights
Also include the de-dollarization process and how that will impact the economics.
If u are able to save 20 lakhs then its good to be in India itself
Really interesting! It felt like a thorough scientific study backed up by deep analysis!
This is a great video, I would love to hear more on the 20lpa in India vs risking it to come to US.
Please make a video on guide for PHD in Computer Science In USA for Indian Student with Btech in Cs. Please.
iT is skilled based profession it's not much about what degree you have but what skills you have. 70% of Indian IT companies work for US based clients. If you come to USA to work and get opportunity to work closely with client then it makes sense. If you coming to do masters from some average university in USA and don't get work permit to work in USA after doing masters then you are just incurring student loan debt and not gaining anything much except for frustration. Most students won't get opportunity to do work in USA and won't gain must skilss. They will only burn money and waste time.
To summarize come to USA after gaining experience in india and don't come to do masters leaving decent job in India. It won't help much, come on student visa only if you getting in tier 1 university.
My sis is going to US for job with US client.
Few months back,I was curious to know when will my third tier city's state transport bus stand will get reopened.
I didn't even thought about US before this new opportunity.
My sis studied in our city college so that expenses are not out of budget. Now 10 years experience in top tier company in Pune.
great insights bro , keep up the good work !
No matter how you look at it.. going to US and returning will swcure you a better job than being avg student in india and doing pg here. Most of my friends went to US.
really great insights dude
The best route would be to have free education in Germany, Gaining experience in Germany for some years without any debt and getting german PR and later moving it to USA. This route has less debt, no issues with H1B and exploring europe being a bachelor.
H1b issue is there, you wont be citizen in germany
@@Theactualstoic what issue would be there? German accepts dual nationality.
German PR and citizenship are too different things. Also, the average time to receive a German Citizenship is around 8-10 years and it’s increasing every year. Also, if you want employment in Germany, you need excellent command on German Language. Only few tech-specific roles do not require an advanced certification in German. Also, many states like Bavaria has already introduced tuition fee from international students. As per my knowledge, other major states are about to implement similar policies and in next 2-3 years, German universities would not offer free education to Foreigners. In short, there is no perfect country to emigrate to. They all have their own sets of challenges. You can get best opportunities only in your home country. I feel if you are working in tech, do not go abroad. You can literally have the same lifestyle and success here in tech with half the efforts. I have met IITians with CS background leaving 25-30 lpa packages right after Btech and going for masters in US. That’s an extremely dumb thing to do. People from non-tech backgrounds can definitely assess their options due to bleak outcomes in India but also remember non-tech jobs do have less competition than tech but the opportunities are also limited.
U gotta learn german in order to apply for jobs there@@kunalvidhani9495
Life in Germany ain't all rosy bro
Thanks for giving a balanced perspective. This will help a lot of people before taking huge debts coming to the USA. On a personal level, I saw the immigration problems in the US and decided to go to Germany. It has worked out well but you are right about taking a calculated risk. There is no guarantee any life.
My sister was saved from getting shot.....near North Carolina uni...be careful
All the best for everyone in their decision making
Thoughful insights!! Totally agree with your definition of middle class💯
Its always better to have work experience before joining Mtech.
Both in India and abroad.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
As a former international student, this is very well put.
Almost agree with averyrhing in this wonderful video. Except i dont think it is a no brainer to come here for nonCS line. Very hard to get mechanical engineering jobs and definitely lower pay. Same like India, but no point at all leaving a stable job and coming here
Wonderful points man! Keep it up!
How fair is that if there is no financial background and my entire expenses for moving to US are from a loan , Job in India was not my area of interest but then landed as a contact center representative at hsbc with 4LPA as a fresher , and planning to move to masters ? Is that a wise decision?
Its a bad idea to go to US at this time as recession may hit at any time unless it is for research programs and/or the student is very good with street smart skills. The jobs are getting harder, and as soon as recession hits, there will be no jobs for immigrants. Think about tens of lakhs you have to spend that took decades for your parents to earn. Think twice; India is doing very good, chances of succeeding in India is better is as India is progressing very fast. Wait for next 4-5 yrs.
Hi Abir,
Quick Question:
1. Fully Funded PhD in Physics at LSU, Not sure about opportunities after PhD
2. A stable government police job, but salary and standard of living is low
Which is better, if your plan is long-term settlement and earning a lot of legal money. Are there enough opportunities for Physics Phd graduates?
Geaux Tigers! Option 1 everyday of the week and twice on Sunday!
Physics is a really tough major for jobs. You almost certainly have to one or more post docs. But I can see why you may want to move on from a government job although it is very secure.
This is probably the best video i saw today.
Good points. Too many come to USA for studies with main (many times only) aspiration to get a great job. This was, is and will always be a bad reason to come to US.
perfectly broken down 😊
I have friends working in Razor pay its overhyped and I believe lot of startups in bangalore dont provide the opptunity to make wealth which Usa does
I agree and disagree in terms of money, iam from south and I went for studying, science and fo research. Agree money was also in the bucket list, but that was not the major criteria. In fact I came back literally with negative money that can be a reason why I came back but there were other reasons. But in the process u learn how science has been applied in industry.
However ur perception changes once you start working in US where companies start looking in terms of money. That doesn't mean money, you go towards money part, you can stand for science and research. I do think that makes a lot of difference in how you look at the world.
I agree with you on competition part, in india there is competition but not much progress in science, research which is really needed. Cracking examination is one part but cultivating research, creative skills is not there is India, which is other reason why people go there. There the system gives you time to think, ponder and conduct research, in India it is only with few institutes such as IIT,IISC. The labs are well developed in US.
Agree if you know how to make money US is best place, but for research too US is better place.
But I do know there is north south east west indians differences in terms of perception about US. It would be better if you get their perceptions with varied age group.
I also those who went during the 70s went for education, science atleast from the south. Subramanian chandrasekhar went for science, education not for money.Thinghs started to change during the Y2k boom.
Life style is one part, but dealing with people is another part, India needs to develop in terms of ethical practices which will definitely take time. Cleaner roads ect come in when we start to value others life too as part of a public property. Patience is something lacking in India, everything cannot be achieved by short cut ways.
Perfectly articulate
Thank you so much for speaking in english. 🙏
Really smart inputs 💯
If you can talk about the Tech Job Market like what skills are being hired more right now, be it DevOps, Cloud, SDE, Data, AI Etc. It'd be helpful
I believe that most of the students who come to the US for their master's degrees are generally from tier-2 or tier-3 colleges, often driven by a rat race mentality. Taking on substantial debts for this pursuit is indeed a significant risk for the middle class in India.
It is because in India , there are two kinds of job available 1. Average job , 2. Aspirational jobs . Average jobs pay as per India's market rate (India's gdp per capita is around 2800 $) . Aspirational jobs pay far above market rate and almost pay at per developed countries (12k $ per capita GDP ) . Only a small section of our population has access to aspirational jobs and to quite tough to get it . But in USA the average job itself pays around 93k$ (USA's gdp per capita is around 76k$) . There is no concept of aspirational jobs in USA . Even electrician , plumber , cab driver can earn a lot of money in USA . India has very high income disparity (hence students chase those aspirational jobs which are tought to get ) .
thankyou this video was a eye opener for me
Excellent analysis!
Good message. People are unnecessary wasting money .
Its huge money ,
US wabrs only high talented students only. and IT jobs outsourced and on decline
Hey, I am a doing material science engineering from a top college in India and i expect to get a decent placement in my core sector. ( between 12 to 15 lpa) but I don't know what will be my growth rate and honestly there is not much good scope . So how are the job prospects for material science engineers in the US and what sort of money can I expect to make? I come from a lower middle-class family and money is an important aspect of my life.
Very good 👍 presentation. Nice coverage
Excellent clarity of thought and articulation including the choice of words and manner of presentation. I would like to offer you another perspective which you would lack due to your age and the stage of life you are in. Once you spend 5 years in US it is extremely difficult to move back if you have a family and your kids have lived in the convience of US society. Once you spent 7 or 10 years it becomes next to immpossible. At that point your kids are simply not ready to move to India and learn the hard grind. Second and third language mandates in Indian school makes the move immposible. At that point yours parents might need you, or you might have got some health issues that you cannot treat conviently in US healthcare system and you are frustrated of that GC will take forever; but if you move your kid will fail in second and third language so you can't move. There are more nuances, but I cannot type all of that 😊
This makes a lot of sense.
Very well-made video, my research matches with yours. Even my motivation is a change of pace, a new experience, and the quality of education. In Australia, where I'm headed, I feel there is a small chance for people whose net worth is around 2 Cr to even have their visa approved. They're asking for a minimum of Rs 10 Lac ITR (single person) for the past 3 years these days and above 16Lacs in FD or savings (outside of loan amount), and overall the visa application is pretty expensive and a huge headache. Moreover, the housing crisis and job scenario are worse than in the previous couple of decades. You need to have a strong backup plan or it's not worth it anymore.
yeah thats why US Fang companies are laying off heavily😢
US market is in recession ,even experienced developer cannot find job,so obviously people who are new to the market will find it more hard 😊
Opportunity after becoming CFA in US ?
Very good video
The American dream is over for even Americans, don't know what we Indians are looking and going there for...
Problem with Indian is they hang around in west with mostly Indian friend and never tried to understand local life or have local friend. You have much better family and happy life in India compared to west. West is good for 15 to 20 years max to work if came after college. In india even after so much struggle earning average 10/12 lakh per year from adult to middle age life is more happy in India compare to west where lonliness and problem start after 50 or 55 years of age and lonely life and less attached children for rest of life..
because under Modi you dont get any jobs other thna being pakora sellers outside mandhirs..hence we still keep going to USA..
@@poojasingh99999This is the absolute truth. You can spend years in the US and not make any good relationships.
Almost 10 years ago, people would go to USA for masters(and then to settle down there) !
Times have changed, in 2024.
Software is eating away most of the jobs.
MOST of the well paid jobs and programming jobs, and MOST of such jobs can be done remotely. Programming can ONLY be self taught.
So, in future, schools and college degrees would be of use to less than 1000 people, on Earth, and most people humans would try to master a skill and shall try to gain mastery over it.
Indians should start preparing themselves for global jobs, by ditching Indian education system, and depending solely, on Udemy/TH-cam for education.
Technology is advancing so quickly that it's becoming difficult to keep up with it!
This analysis is spot on, providing a comprehensive breakdown of the decision-making process when considering studying or working in the US. Excellent job 👌
Thanks BB! See you Wednesday!
Thanks for the informative video Masters in Health Informatics would be a good decision to do at this time ? Does recession affect health sector also ?
Take into consideration your race your undergrad degree and your school that you attend and what degree you get
3 years ago our clients forced us to accept payment in USD, but seeing US minting trillion of dollars out of thin air Europe clients have understood and started payment in Euros Pounds instead years ago eg
To pay us 1.5 USD they were shelling out there just 1 pound.
But if now they do the same to pay the same USD dollar amount to us they need 1.25 Pound.
Our cybersecurity Europe client had predicted which many others still have no clue
And now all major countries are forming alliance and also finding USD alternative
Its not only russia india and china but UK Europe as well
Please enlighten in uSa i
Nice analysis
This is my take
For Example consider someone in Twitch makes 10 lakh per year and then you come to us on your own money and some loan.
One should also calculate time to repay loan and recover tuition fees and then make up for all this lost time in India ( in terms of money which one can earn in india while working) which people don't consider. So your next 5 years are locked then you after that toy start again making something and then people buy house again they are in debt.
According to current job market which country is best to do masters?
There is so much competition right now for too few spots. I see 100's of OPT/CPT Indian students posting for positions in the company I work for all the time. They are now enacting an HR policy of not sponsoring H1B, which is a big risk for these students. That coupled with AI and Automation, im not really sure how these students are all going to make it. You really need a lot of luck.
Very well summed up....
Since I am planning my Masters abroad, I have gone through many vudeos on "Should you come to USA" and I must say this is the most relatable and to the point video.
So what do you decided?should you go or not?
yeah what did you decide ??
Bro, how is the job market for CPA in the USA? Many institutions are claiming shortages of Accountants, is it a boon to Indians who pursue CPA in India? Is it really worth it?
Just one question , i am in tier 3 college purusing Btech CSE, family barely a mark of "1 cr wali family" and me and my father are bullish for a ms now, i have been watching these videos but, cant understand what to do now, should i still have the american dream or should i opt for jobs in india?
i know its getting luck based but what if the odds gets favourable to me or what to do if it doesnt!
please reply.
Try to optimize for costs, and quantify risk: A university that has a lot of assistantship opportunities (this is very difficult to research, so you'll have to cold DM a lot of people) is going to be your best bet.
Better go to Germany which has free education. The quality of education is better than the US. The tech field is dynamic and whatever you have learnt in your masters might not be there after some years. So invest less on tech degrees
@@mohammedfawaznawaz but what about language issues? and it's so hard to save there?
Its not worth spending 50 60 lakhs for ms. Instead invest in mutual funds, buy real estate and try to get regular incomes.
You should have spoken about the safety issues in US - mass shootings are so common. Just curious - how do your parents sleep peacefully knowing that you are in US?
Good analysis at this very young age. Keep up the good work. Let me put this way: In 1998, a person making 60K USD was able to buy a 31 grams of gold at 450 USD, In 2024, with the same salary of 60K, 31 grams of gold is price. Price of gold is 3.2x today compared to 1998 and the same cannot be said about Salary i.e. 60K in 1998 vs 192K today. Pursuing MS in US is not worth, If you do not have a citizenship or PR to begin with. Also application programming as reached a saturation point and there is no further paradigm shift in technology that I see in the next decade. The hype around Artificial Intelligence has reached worrying levels and the people who are getting displaced are not able to get Jobs anywhere and therefore US unemployment rate will reach is highest levels not see in decades. Another thing is the food inflation has also reached astronomical levels not seen before and the savings potential is being wiped off.
Quick question:
a) Offer from Georgia Tech MS Mechanical Engineering?
b) or Offer from Airbus north of the hard salary number?
Leaning towards Airbus, as I feel that even though market for tech is bad, the market for AE is non existent.
Run the hard numbers: Ask yourself
1. How much are you making and saving with the Airbus salary?
2. How much would a 100K job compare to this salary?
3. Is your inclination towards a short-term or a long-term plan in US?
@@abirbhattacharjee5227
1. I would save about $1200
2. It is the same as 100k when PPP is factored in
3. I was thinking short term
For Mechanical, the market is not as bad.
Nicely put. Please put some insight on Accounting or Finance opportunities.
Well said 💯
Hey i am student from commerce background deciding to do master in finance in USA , should i do it or not according to job market of US in this degree
See I'm Doing BE in AI in mumbai and honestly want to study more like go deep and study bit by bit how things work (I love technologies so much and want to excel ) and at the same time about money my family is above 2Cr mark so its fine but its in asset form so have to sell to be get in, Sooo my quesion is that is it worth it...(af course i want your opinion)
Hi! Im doing BE in AI in bangalore, which college r u from
Human overpopulation is the root cause of the tragedy in India. Not to mention a host of other socioeconomic problems we face today. In 1947, the population of India was close to 320 million. India has added another 800+ million since then. And somehow, magically, its citizens expect a supply system that periodically adjusts to a large population's demand for goods and services. China is the only country on the same scale and has done better at achieving order/governance. But, then again, they have earned it by brute force. Not to mention all the industrial activity has resulted in large-scale environmental damage - water/air/soil for which we will pay sooner or later.
In comparison, the population of the U.S in 2021 is close to 330 million. The total land area is about 3.5 times that is of India, and an economy that is many times bigger. Picture India in 2021 if it were around 500/550 million people.
What are your views on California State University for MS or MBA
thank you for your insights! do you happen to know anyone who switched from CS to another niche stream within STEM by coming to the US for their masters? i have no research experience in bioinformatics and i didn't pursue biology in 10+2 but i would really like to pursue this stream and i'm ready to take the time to put in any work required to improve my profile. seeing all these videos makes me wonder if i'm cooked
A niche that is seeing a lot of growth is semiconductors (Nvidia, Micron, TSMC, ASML) - so I think CS + embedded/firmware/GPU exposure is a solid niche (because supply of talent is low)
I'm afraid I do not have any solid info on the bioinformatics side.
Can you make video when the market is expected to improve
hi sir
i am currently pursuing btech final yr , i have plans to come to US for masters so ehats ur suggestion sir
Talk about roles in finance in The Us.
How will be job oppurtunities for MS in Media Management international graduates?
No knowledge about Media Management, sorry man.
@@abirbhattacharjee5227
Bro for incoming fall 24 MS CS Student at GSU without TA/RA... would you suggest going for it?
The salary is not great... It is around 6 LPA
Hi! I was wanting to come to the US for my mba, to go to top B schools after my engineering in india because in the US i feel like the networking opportunities in these unis r very diverse and also ROI is very much high than indian b schools. Please give me some advice from ur side x
well coverd
Great video