I’m so glad these weirdos have someone to call. Although Shatner is far better at being a real human. I’m sure Henry would bore the fucking shit out of me, but that’s my fault not his.
@@john-paulsilke893 Total opposite, as I am another extrovert, Shatner would come across as a total dick to me. He and I would be one upping one another, and hey, William Shatner, he would always win. Total dick. Henry Rollins would be on my bucket list, has a million stories, would never be confrontational, I'd be asking questions to lead into stories, and he would be an amazing person to just listen to and learn from. And probably why he and Shatner are great friends.I can see where they would compliment one another epically.
Perry Parsons don’t get me wrong. I have paid to see Henry do his spoken word five times. Once back to back to see if there was any difference. (Not one single word which in its own way is amazing in its perfection because he even stumbled over his phrases in exactly the same way, it was God damned beautiful and worth paying twice for the exact same show!) when Henry is on the knob is broken off and thrown in the river but he’s a super chill and quiet guy who reads voraciously and locks himself up inside his head. It’s important but from outside it’s mind numbly painful because you simply can’t enter, and if you can you suddenly realize you have nothing to add because he has already contemplated everything you might say. Perhaps you are deeper and could bro out and have amazing conversations but that is one very deep man.... Or it’s all an act and he’s just as dumb as the rest of us but in a different way!?!
I actually emailed Henry in a point of desperation when my music stuff was starting to take off (it later crashed and burned and I'm flying a desk now) and seeing what he thought I should do. He got back to me in about two hours and gave some solid advice despite me asking dumbass kid questions. Very respectful and insightful and I'll thank him if I ever meet him.
Might be, but doubt it. Introverts just are not comfortable around a group of people, can perform whatever their talent is for millions and totally get off on it, but for some reason feel they are being constantly judged and found wanting, when in small intimate groups. It is wearing and exhausting for them. I work with one, and if he is giving a presentation, can own the room for the entire presentation, as it is all about his world, his expertise, and can fearlessly answer all questions, no matter how harsh or critical they might be. The coffee break will break him, trying to make small talk is just exhausting for him.
@@perryparsons9960 I'm like the guy you work with. I used to give presentations and do training for groups of up to 100 staff at work. Get up there and I can go on and keep their attention for an hour or more. Get me at a dinner party, and people think I'm a weird quiet guy. People exhaust me.
I think I kind of get it. He doesn't want to intrude. Now that he's famous, it's doubly hard to tell if they're being sincere when they invite him to any given social event, not that he feels like he's missing out on any; dude knows he can pretty much just show up and be 'The Famous Guy' in any number shallow, meaningless parties filled with people who don't really want to be there either, but feel like they have to play the game of High Society against each other. Either that or Henry Rollins is a cat. Not totally sure which it is.
I met Henry at a party in Chicago after he left Back Flag. He was the most intense person I had ever met up to that point. It's like the intensity of a career criminal that channeled the energy into something positive instead of something negative.
@@GamingHelp He's acted in a few major movies (one being 'HEAT', another being 'Johnny Mnemonic') as a side character and was the lead singer for a band called Black Flag. He has done tours around the world and just walked around the city he was in with a backpack and water. He's a really interesting guy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Rollins#Music_career
Henry is just an introvert like myself. Some people prefer their own company and have never had the urge for a familiy or a busy social life. Love the guy.
You have the internet so there’s that. Very excellent times we live in. Insanely interesting and amazing contributors like Cavendish we next level weirdo introverts and changed the world and made it better. I’m a nervous weirdo that people tend to hate or absolutely love so obviously I’m at an advantage. I talk too much and reveal insane shit about myself when speaking so it’s not bad since I’m actually stage frightened and can get along. (Secret introvert without most of the disadvantages.)
You have no idea what you're talking about OhighOSkater. Henry Garfield is a complete phony. Do your homework..P.S. He has become quite the name dropper... Fake as a 9 dollar bill.
This interview almost made me cry... what a delightful, sensitive soul. I love that Bill has embraced Henry and that he has such a great, valued friendship with Bill.
Shatner IS one of the nicest people on the planet. I’m not his friend or anything, but I did meet him briefly 3 years ago at a special screening of “Wrath of Khan”. For the brief time we spoke, he was warm, humble, funny… really made you feel like you were the most important person in the room. I hope the guy lives forever.
Such an endearing piece. As a loner, it is so easy to understand how content one can be without company. No expectations, no let downs or pressure to socialize. I have always been a fan but I have a deeper respect now for Mr. Rollins. Cheers and thank you Henry for stepping out of your comfort zone to sit with Joe.
I've never gone into depth with Rollins work, but I'm a fan of him... just him. I love his passion, his honesty, his openness. I've learnt so much about myself from his self deprecation. He really makes you stop and think about your own life and personality. The best unintentional self help guru of this century.
I’ve never purchased any music by Henry Rollins but I can identify completely with him. I have no urge to go to peoples houses for dinner, hanging out, my phone rarely rings, I don’t have kids, never married. Rollins put it perfectly. “I’m just not chipped that way”
I would be honored to be friends with Henry Rollins! Met him once after a show & he was so awesome to his fans. It was miserably cold outside and I patiently waited for over an hour, until everyone else had their opportunity to meet him, because I wanted to ask him about a passage in one of his books, and after we talked, I thanked him for staying out in the cold for so long, and he said "If someone is willing to stand outside in the cold just to meet me or get something signed, of course I gonna do it." I may not have quoted that verbatim but that was the gist. I realise that it's not always convenient for celebrities to hang out with their fans, but He went above and beyond to make every fan feel like they were appreciated. Nothing but respect for Henry.
the reason stagefright isn't a problem is because you have an act, a script you know what you're supposed to be doing for your audience. when you're just hanging out with new people you've never met you start over-thinking how to act natural and it just gets worse and worse.
Henry is classic! When I was much younger, in my mid twenties (58 now) a good friend would write Henry Rollins, like fan mail. He wrote about depression he was experiencing and Henry actually took time out of his day and wrote him back every time! Not an assistant, or a press company...Henry wrote him back. Deep respect for his art and his down to earthness, along with his respect for his fans. I can't say I've ever heard of anyone else doing this.
Mike Nesmith once said something about Jimi Hendrix. On stage he stood ten feet tall, but when not performing he was this sweet quiet guy. Probably true for a lot of performers.
I Never realised he had such acute social anxiety, he’s such an interesting guy and would have one of him over a million of those wide eyed talentless clones in the charts. This guys knows the truth, he’s seen it. And Joe is really carving this out as in incredible show to keep coming back to with interesting people and genuine exchanges of opinions. not just that he asks real questions and sometimes they are uncomfortable ones but he’s always nice about it, another really incredible and interesting guy
Henry Rollins has always been one of my favorite artists because of his persona in real life. He's so real and honest. His work ethic is insane and his graciousness is legendary
My greatest personal insight (I haven't had many)in life is that not only is it OK to have flaws it is, in an odd way, the part about us that makes us relatable and likable.
Henry is such an original guy, really genuine, and authentic. He doesn't try to be what he's not, and I love that about him. I know exactly how he feels about friendship. BTW that album he did with WS was epic!! So well done and hilarious at the same time.
He pissed in a urinal next to me at the Uptown Lounge in Athens. I looked over at him and said, "do a good show man". That was the most embarrassing moment of my life in retrospect.
It's great to hear a fellow introvert express those things. Henry does it VERY well, and the *total* disconnect so obvious on Joe's face and in his questions is something introverts experience ALL THE TIME. My wife is an extreme extrovert, and while we love each other, we will never understand one another. Social situations energize and refuel her. They exhaust me. She's *genuinely* interested in the lives of others. I couldn't care less about that, and I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would be interested in me. Your kids play t-ball? Ok. Fine. I like the color blue. Did we just have fun? My enjoyment is inversely proportional to the number of people near me. But I'm never lonely. Thanks Henry for providing a peek into the mind of an intelligent, thoughtful, determined introvert!
It's so crazy to hear this coming from Henry Rollins. Most of my life he is someone that I have always thought of as a tough as nails, confident man who doesn't care what others think of him. To see how timid he is, and how much he is afraid of what others think of him. And to see how he is affected by social anxiety just like everyone else. This is exactly why I love Joe Rogans show. You see just how real and amazing everyone is!
I don’t understand the fact that he’s ok to stand up and perform in front of a lot of people but being among them and not performing is terrifying. I would rather run a mile than do either.
Oh my God when he talked about approaching William Shatners house and hearing people laughing and having a good time and freezing with fear I felt that way too much. I'm a therapist I talk to people and help them figure out their problems for a living, facilitating groups of 15 strangers in a psychiatric ward. I am completely comfortable and alive doing that, but put me in a get together full of strangers and its unbearable.
His spoken word tells his stories way better. Each show is 3 hours but lots of clips. I have seen him live in both. And he has around 20 books & been in more than that many movies & tv shows. Spoken word 2012 & big day out tour. You wont run out of stuff to watch. & As for music... Look up songs as official music video on you tube- Starve, illumination, liar, disconnect, low self opinion, War.
I met Shatner in Greenbriar mall in Chesapeake, VA, he was hammered. He asked me and my friend if "I saw Gina Davis, you know, the generic Julia Roberts." Turned around and stumbled away. LOL
Brett McIntyre I live in Chesapeake. Work right down the street from Greenbriar Mall. When was he here? I would have loved to have met him. Captain Kirk was my hero growing up. My sons middle name is Tiberius
@@MarkJones-ji8fd Isn't CBT for disorders? Why would you want to change someones personality traits? Forcing an introvert to just socialize with others more is like forcing an extrovert to just chill out and be alone more.
"it's easy for me to be in front of people, that's a very different thing than being with people". I knew I liked Henry Rollins WAY before this, but that summed up things for me in so many ways. I so would love to meet that man some day.
As an only child and an introvert with a strong personality, I totally respect how henry is. Infact I admire him for keeping his him time, and be an admired public figure for his work. Good stuff
I love Henry Rollins... Wish I could meet him someday. No matter what he does or who he speaks with he is always interesting, heartfelt and strong. Big Fan... Good show Joe; I suspect you see and feel the same way which is why you have him on. I smiled and contemplated his careful and thorough description of the woes he has experienced... Tell Shatner he's awesome too please!
I wish I had him as a mentor when I was younger. I can completely understand the social anxiety, 100%. And as a kid, when ever asked "what do you want to do when you get older" I'd answer a singer. Love music. That said, wild horses couldn't get me in front of a crowd. Way to scared I'd sound like crap, forget words etc. Pretty much the same feelings when being social. If I didn't have to work, I probably wouldn't leave the house.......And now i'm 46 with a failing body from work. Not only missed my boat, I watched sail away. 😥
Very cool. I’ve always liked you Joe, Henry too. This is funny, he has said exactly two words to me as a fan spaced out over ten years. Years ago Rollin’s Band was in town so I went. First band was playing and I went straight to the bar in this big open rectangular club. The bar and bathrooms were at one end and the stage at the other. Got my beer and started to walk towards the stage. It just so happened that someone coming out of the bathroom was kind of paralleling me. We were walking even. Went about half way and stopped. I thought to myself either that’s Henry’s number one fan or that’s Henry Rollins. I’d read his books and knew how he was a bit. Nobody else noticed him, he was checking out the opener and the sound. I stopped even with him and wanted to say something but not really bother him and be respectful. I slowly side stepped nearer and nearer. I stared at the stage and finally leaned in and said “ how’s it going?” Without even turning his head he said “good.” I slowly side stepped back to my original position. He finally got noticed, people trying to talk to him. He got an uncomfortable look on his face and went backstage. That was one word. Ten years later I saw him on a spoken word tour and caught him outside after the show. He was actually talking to people so I thought I’d give it a try. I had written down two of my favorite books on a piece of paper to give to him. Rogue Warrior by Richard Marcinko who started team 6 and Boyd the man who perfected the art of war. Two excellent books that I highly recommend. I walked up to him and gave him the paper saying I have a couple of good books for you to check out. “Yeah?” He said. That was word Two, two words over ten years. Ha, ha! Peace, Phil
Rollins is a socially awkward individual that doesn’t like hanging out with groups of people...which is fine since many people are like that. I used to really like his music from when he was part of Black Flag and the other bands over the years. As an actor I really like him also. He played “Cain” in the movie called He Never Died, a small Indy film that wasn’t seen by many people unfortunately. That said it was an entertaining movie and he did a good job in it.
Yeah, he's always a great a musician and actor. Hearing him talk about his life, I can appreciate how talented he is. His friendship with William Shatner blows my mind :D
I can relate totally. I have the same phobias at 72. My new adapted family (4yrs) has helped me to push past it. Its still my natural default ‘go to place’ though and i have to make a conscious effort.
I feel that pressure he is talking about. It is such a grind to be a musician or content creator. This has been such an amazing podcast! This is why I started my own channel! Joe is the goat!
So far as I only started watching Rogan for a few months , it is a great show. Unlike every other interview show the guest actually gets to drive the direction of the conversation. As well Mr Rogan allows his guests to actually talk. Have to watch this full interview. Aware of Henry Rollins more by his stature as a punk icon. Know a few of his tunes, but the guy is fun to listen to.
"If you could pick one person to fight, who would it be?" "William Shatner. I'd fight William Shatner." "If you could pick one person to be friends with, who would it be?" "William Shatner. I'd be friends with William Shatner."
I can appreciate what Henry Rollins is say. When you're in front of people it's a performance, you're kind of portraying a character even if the character is an idealized version of yourself. It's much different than the give and take of interaction.
Dude I love your show for a long time. Too many great interviews and conversations to name but this one-I’m having a hard time not making this number one. Ed Rollins opened up to you for fourteen minutes in such a real raw articulate way that I’m about to watch it again. I listen to talk radio on my ride into work and spend half my time yelling at the radio “shut up and let him talk!” You can see why most get into radio because love hearing themselves talk. The host interviewer should ask the right questions and interject his personality and humor sparingly and disarm the guest and make them comfortable enough to talk. Your “talk” with Ed was a great example of that . So great job. Rollins was awesome
I didn't know much about Henry outside Black Flag, but this segment taught me a lot about his character and respect for other humans. Solid dude and very thoughtful
As I got older I wanted less and less people around me and now that I'm old I have a few close friends, keep most folks, especially family, out of my inner circle and see one person almost every Saturday since 2005 and she is the best friend I could ask for
Really enjoyed this. The amazing Bill Shatner! No wonder Star Trek was so good. He has so much energy that one day we'll read that he spontaneously combusted. Warp core breach!!
Somehow knowing Henry Rollins and William Shatner are pals makes me feel better. : )
You might enjoy the exchange between Gary Shandling & Tom Petty. They were neighbors. It's on TH-cam. Gary goes over to Toms house...pretty funny.
Henry Rollins over at bill's house...TV party tonight TV party tonight...MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL....oh no the tv doesnt work...its broken...
I’m so glad these weirdos have someone to call. Although Shatner is far better at being a real human. I’m sure Henry would bore the fucking shit out of me, but that’s my fault not his.
@@john-paulsilke893 Total opposite, as I am another extrovert, Shatner would come across as a total dick to me. He and I would be one upping one another, and hey, William Shatner, he would always win. Total dick.
Henry Rollins would be on my bucket list, has a million stories, would never be confrontational, I'd be asking questions to lead into stories, and he would be an amazing person to just listen to and learn from. And probably why he and Shatner are great friends.I can see where they would compliment one another epically.
Perry Parsons don’t get me wrong. I have paid to see Henry do his spoken word five times. Once back to back to see if there was any difference. (Not one single word which in its own way is amazing in its perfection because he even stumbled over his phrases in exactly the same way, it was God damned beautiful and worth paying twice for the exact same show!) when Henry is on the knob is broken off and thrown in the river but he’s a super chill and quiet guy who reads voraciously and locks himself up inside his head. It’s important but from outside it’s mind numbly painful because you simply can’t enter, and if you can you suddenly realize you have nothing to add because he has already contemplated everything you might say. Perhaps you are deeper and could bro out and have amazing conversations but that is one very deep man....
Or it’s all an act and he’s just as dumb as the rest of us but in a different way!?!
God bless William Shatner for bringing Henry Rollins into the circle.
lol too funny
I mean, if you’re only gonna have one friend, Bill Shatner is an epic choice
WHERE IS SPOCK...
You spelled Super Epic wrong. Shatner is a weird and extremely interesting man and you could do far, far worse.
denise pharmer He’s dead Jim.
@@denisepharmer2654 Henry took Spock's place.
That was an EPIC impersonation of The Shat..!
I actually emailed Henry in a point of desperation when my music stuff was starting to take off (it later crashed and burned and I'm flying a desk now) and seeing what he thought I should do. He got back to me in about two hours and gave some solid advice despite me asking dumbass kid questions. Very respectful and insightful and I'll thank him if I ever meet him.
He's a good guy.
Flying a desk?
@@l21n18
Late, but : office work
schplafff 😞
Cool, that's real cool. Coool
Introverts get very tired of having to explain themselves...I’ll give you a hint, we are never bored
Very true, we can have a grand ol' team, by ourselves.
you said it Ken
To bad late nights get super fucking lonely amiright guys HAHA
Yessss! Socializing is VERY taxing!!!!
A Z Around fuckwits you mean, which is the majority
My first thought was what a sad, lonely guy. Then I realized he’s happy who he is and what he does. Nothing wrong with that.
Megaton Rotten Mouth True, about most people, but good friends and family lift you up!
Might be, but doubt it. Introverts just are not comfortable around a group of people, can perform whatever their talent is for millions and totally get off on it, but for some reason feel they are being constantly judged and found wanting, when in small intimate groups. It is wearing and exhausting for them. I work with one, and if he is giving a presentation, can own the room for the entire presentation, as it is all about his world, his expertise, and can fearlessly answer all questions, no matter how harsh or critical they might be. The coffee break will break him, trying to make small talk is just exhausting for him.
Not everyone who is alone is lonely
@@perryparsons9960 I'm like the guy you work with. I used to give presentations and do training for groups of up to 100 staff at work. Get up there and I can go on and keep their attention for an hour or more. Get me at a dinner party, and people think I'm a weird quiet guy. People exhaust me.
I think I kind of get it. He doesn't want to intrude. Now that he's famous, it's doubly hard to tell if they're being sincere when they invite him to any given social event, not that he feels like he's missing out on any; dude knows he can pretty much just show up and be 'The Famous Guy' in any number shallow, meaningless parties filled with people who don't really want to be there either, but feel like they have to play the game of High Society against each other.
Either that or Henry Rollins is a cat. Not totally sure which it is.
I met Henry at a party in Chicago after he left Back Flag. He was the most intense person I had ever met up to that point. It's like the intensity of a career criminal that channeled the energy into something positive instead of something negative.
That is so well said. Unlike my reply.
You're a LIAR!!!!... 🙃🙃
That’s a good description.
This is one of the most incredible descriptions of Rollins I’ve ever seen. Beautiful.
11:07 Did you fluff him up, or did he fluff you up?
Rollins is a walking anxiety attack.....and I love that he's willing to admit that he has it.
plus he's a rocking anxiety attack
@@bluesborn nice ... but, yeah, big share from Rollins and kudos to Joe for a special interview.
I don't even know who he is, but he sure is endearing. I can't help but just like the guy.
@@GamingHelp He's acted in a few major movies (one being 'HEAT', another being 'Johnny Mnemonic') as a side character and was the lead singer for a band called Black Flag.
He has done tours around the world and just walked around the city he was in with a backpack and water. He's a really interesting guy.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Rollins#Music_career
@@Soldier4USA2005don’t forget Rollins Band! That’s how most of us know of him. I think.
Joe Rogan really needs to get The Shatner on his show. That would be an epic conversation.
avenuePad get Sulu in here too.
Yeah before he dies
Can imagine a completely bent Captain Kirk... There's life Jim, but not as we know it...
I think you would be very disappointed.
I think you'd be surprised.
Henry is just an introvert like myself. Some people prefer their own company and have never had the urge for a familiy or a busy social life. Love the guy.
Exactly me, and people think I'm a loner - talking to me kids and family is enough for me.
@@signwriter1 me too
Keep telling yourself that, nobody likes you.
You have the internet so there’s that. Very excellent times we live in. Insanely interesting and amazing contributors like Cavendish we next level weirdo introverts and changed the world and made it better. I’m a nervous weirdo that people tend to hate or absolutely love so obviously I’m at an advantage. I talk too much and reveal insane shit about myself when speaking so it’s not bad since I’m actually stage frightened and can get along. (Secret introvert without most of the disadvantages.)
@Urayis wish l over a year later and people still can't take a joke, lol. Snowflakes 🤣🤣
I love the joy on his face as he talks about Shatner and their friendship. I didn't know I could love Henry even more.
Henry Rollins is one of the best kind of people. A badass tough guy, with a good heart
OhighO Skater tough guy !? 🤔
Fuck ya
FreedomFighter who is Ted?
You have no idea what you're talking about OhighOSkater. Henry Garfield is a complete phony. Do your homework..P.S. He has become quite the name dropper... Fake as a 9 dollar bill.
Skunk69 x Sorry sir. Please find it in your heart to forgive this horrible mistake I've made.
Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one
This interview almost made me cry... what a delightful, sensitive soul. I love that Bill has embraced Henry and that he has such a great, valued friendship with Bill.
Captain Kirk is the equivalent of ten friends.
R J and can get you a good deal on vacation
100 percent! Khaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnn!
lol
No wonder hes the main friend.
That's the truth
Social anxiety: The struggle is real.
If you're going to plow through it, might as well be to hang out with the Zappas and the Shatners.
Thats interesting that Henry doesn't have any anxiety as a performer, but he does have it when going to social gatherings.
Slim Charles not really. He just wants to do things on his terms.
Slim Charles he can control his performance but he can’t control other people
He's "anxious" due to all the lies he tells. He's scared of being exposed as the fraud he is. This explains why he looks like hell..
It is interesting, but its two very different things. Im the same way
Introversion isnt the same in everyone.
Shatner IS one of the nicest people on the planet. I’m not his friend or anything, but I did meet him briefly 3 years ago at a special screening of “Wrath of Khan”. For the brief time we spoke, he was warm, humble, funny… really made you feel like you were the most important person in the room. I hope the guy lives forever.
I've heard he's hard to work with, but anytime I've heard from fans who met him, they say he's wonderful.
I think this is the longest Joe has stayed quiet and listened to a guest lol
Joe just got tired of feigning interest.
@@jeepykay It's actually the opposite. If Joe's tired of you, he talks you into silence.
Such an endearing piece. As a loner, it is so easy to understand how content one can be without company. No expectations, no let downs or pressure to socialize. I have always been a fan but I have a deeper respect now for Mr. Rollins. Cheers and thank you Henry for stepping out of your comfort zone to sit with Joe.
Henry is so humble and honest. I have much respect for the man and can relate with the anxiety part.
I've never gone into depth with Rollins work, but I'm a fan of him... just him. I love his passion, his honesty, his openness. I've learnt so much about myself from his self deprecation. He really makes you stop and think about your own life and personality. The best unintentional self help guru of this century.
I’ve never purchased any music by Henry Rollins but I can identify completely with him. I have no urge to go to peoples houses for dinner, hanging out, my phone rarely rings, I don’t have kids, never married. Rollins put it perfectly. “I’m just not chipped that way”
I would be honored to be friends with Henry Rollins! Met him once after a show & he was so awesome to his fans. It was miserably cold outside and I patiently waited for over an hour, until everyone else had their opportunity to meet him, because I wanted to ask him about a passage in one of his books, and after we talked, I thanked him for staying out in the cold for so long, and he said "If someone is willing to stand outside in the cold just to meet me or get something signed, of course I gonna do it." I may not have quoted that verbatim but that was the gist. I realise that it's not always convenient for celebrities to hang out with their fans, but He went above and beyond to make every fan feel like they were appreciated. Nothing but respect for Henry.
Henry Rollins is George McFly in this interview.
*Movie Reboot:* Henry Rollins and William Shatner starring as _The Odd Couple!_
I kinda want see him as Bones in a Star Trek
Shatner would be the dirty one in the odd couple
@@kevingeorge5159 Star Trek but with Rollins being the first officer, the devil on Kirk's shoulder whispering use the phasers.
That's actually not a bad idea!
Lol I could see him as bones telling Kirk" DAMNIT JIM GOT THE ORION CLAP AGAIN' lol
Henry seems very genuine and down to earth. Bless his Heart. 👍
David Drake What??
David Drake Yeah... Ok Troll.
David Drake LOL.... Nothing you have said on this post makes any sense. They these vague empty, half ass sentences. So, obviously you are trolling me.
David Drake Oh, is that right?? 😉
Shatner is rockin' 89 like a 60 year old!
the reason stagefright isn't a problem is because you have an act, a script you know what you're supposed to be doing for your audience. when you're just hanging out with new people you've never met you start over-thinking how to act natural and it just gets worse and worse.
I find personally there’s a different relationship between an audience and people in person to person interaction
"Ensign Rollins, you will...... be at football........ monday, correct?"
Captain Kirk, 2003
Don't go! Ensigns never survived the first few minutes.
@@catnaplappdx5001 He should be alright. His shirt isn't red.
Im convinced that’s how he actually talks
I felt sad for him until I found out his best friend is William Shatner. Now I'm jealous.
Henry is classic! When I was much younger, in my mid twenties (58 now) a good friend would write Henry Rollins, like fan mail. He wrote about depression he was experiencing and Henry actually took time out of his day and wrote him back every time! Not an assistant, or a press company...Henry wrote him back. Deep respect for his art and his down to earthness, along with his respect for his fans. I can't say I've ever heard of anyone else doing this.
Friggin loved this episode. The honesty and straight talking from Henry with Joe providing friendly feedback.
Freddie Mercury was the same way. Perhaps the greatest live performer ever, but very shy and introverted off stage.
Please do not forget Kurt Cobain, never wanted the famous part of being famous. It's hard for introverts
@@Kimberly-ug2oq who?
@Tyler Mod your opinion 👌 introverts can have friends
From everything I've read of him, this is a lie. He was a giant colossal narcissist and enjoyed being the centre of attention.
Mike Nesmith once said something about Jimi Hendrix. On stage he stood ten feet tall, but when not performing he was this sweet quiet guy. Probably true for a lot of performers.
I Never realised he had such acute social anxiety, he’s such an interesting guy and would have one of him over a million of those wide eyed talentless clones in the charts. This guys knows the truth, he’s seen it. And Joe is really carving this out as in incredible show to keep coming back to with interesting people and genuine exchanges of opinions. not just that he asks real questions and sometimes they are uncomfortable ones but he’s always nice about it, another really incredible and interesting guy
Henry Rollins has always been one of my favorite artists because of his persona in real life. He's so real and honest. His work ethic is insane and his graciousness is legendary
My greatest personal insight (I haven't had many)in life is that not only is it OK to have flaws it is, in an odd way, the part about us that makes us relatable and likable.
Henry is such an original guy, really genuine, and authentic. He doesn't try to be what he's not, and I love that about him. I know exactly how he feels about friendship. BTW that album he did with WS was epic!! So well done and hilarious at the same time.
I could listen to Henry talk all day long! What an amazing human being and such a GIFT! The world is a better place with him in it!
He pissed in a urinal next to me at the Uptown Lounge in Athens. I looked over at him and said, "do a good show man". That was the most embarrassing moment of my life in retrospect.
Shatner or Rollins?
i can relate to rollin's story about anxiety, respect and appreciation.
Boldly going where no punk rocker has gone before. LOVE IT!!!!!!!
Thank you Rollins and Rogan for understanding social anxiety. Gives me hope and hopefully others to move forward.
Henry Rollins and Ian Mackaye talking every Sunday is the cutest thing ever.
But why isn't he kicking it with Danzig???
It's great to hear a fellow introvert express those things. Henry does it VERY well, and the *total* disconnect so obvious on Joe's face and in his questions is something introverts experience ALL THE TIME. My wife is an extreme extrovert, and while we love each other, we will never understand one another. Social situations energize and refuel her. They exhaust me. She's *genuinely* interested in the lives of others. I couldn't care less about that, and I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would be interested in me. Your kids play t-ball? Ok. Fine. I like the color blue. Did we just have fun? My enjoyment is inversely proportional to the number of people near me. But I'm never lonely.
Thanks Henry for providing a peek into the mind of an intelligent, thoughtful, determined introvert!
Henry Rollins is awesome ! And Joe is a phenomenal host !
Oddly enough Henry Rollins is my perfect idea of a freind.
It's so crazy to hear this coming from Henry Rollins. Most of my life he is someone that I have always thought of as a tough as nails, confident man who doesn't care what others think of him. To see how timid he is, and how much he is afraid of what others think of him. And to see how he is affected by social anxiety just like everyone else. This is exactly why I love Joe Rogans show. You see just how real and amazing everyone is!
Really admire his humble, honest approach. Very refreshing.
Reminds me of Robin Williams. He was the same way.
Dang... i teared up a little reading your comment... RIP RW
I agree. It’s so sad they had to murder him
Well, Robin Williams at least had a family.
the fact that he's till still friends with Ian Mackaye warms my punk heart like nothing else.
What a genuine guy Henry is.
I just love how grounded Joe's show is. Joe and his guests are absolutely amazing.
anybody with social anxiety will understand this video.
I do, but like Joe, I had no idea that Henry Rollins was like this. :O
Yup, the part about hearing the laughter and wanting to turn around. I know exactly the feeling.
I don’t understand the fact that he’s ok to stand up and perform in front of a lot of people but being among them and not performing is terrifying. I would rather run a mile than do either.
👍😁
Henry doesn't have social anxiety he just doesn't want to waste time with people.
Oh my God when he talked about approaching William Shatners house and hearing people laughing and having a good time and freezing with fear I felt that way too much. I'm a therapist I talk to people and help them figure out their problems for a living, facilitating groups of 15 strangers in a psychiatric ward. I am completely comfortable and alive doing that, but put me in a get together full of strangers and its unbearable.
Wow, Henry Rollins is REALLY really interesting. I gotta listen to more of his music.
ArchAngel_G get his live shows from iTunes - you won’t be disappointed
His spoken word tells his stories way better.
Each show is 3 hours but lots of clips. I have seen him live in both.
And he has around 20 books & been in more than that many movies & tv shows.
Spoken word 2012 & big day out tour.
You wont run out of stuff to watch.
& As for music...
Look up songs as official music video on you tube-
Starve, illumination, liar, disconnect, low self opinion,
War.
You should also look at his stand up
ArchAngel_G was thinking the same.
I get where's he's coming from, same here buddy.
captindo so you hang with 3rd rate movie stars? Or just there's food?
Social anxiety, had it since Afghanistan.
captindo I’m with you my friend!
I met Shatner in Greenbriar mall in Chesapeake, VA, he was hammered. He asked me and my friend if "I saw Gina Davis, you know, the generic Julia Roberts." Turned around and stumbled away. LOL
Brett McIntyre Savage!
Brett McIntyre I live in Chesapeake. Work right down the street from Greenbriar Mall. When was he here? I would have loved to have met him. Captain Kirk was my hero growing up. My sons middle name is Tiberius
Ha Ha Ha ha! Good one Bill! I would love to drink with that guy!
@@MikeSmith-rh5gc it was like 12 years ago.
Henry Rollins is cool. So unpretentious. Just being himself. Legend
I didn’t realize how much I empathize with Henry. He really spoke of my life. Wow. I’m kinda blown away.
Henry shows that forcing yourself to
Interact socially thousands of times does nothing to make it easier the next time.
Geo Catez So much for CBT then
@@MarkJones-ji8fd Isn't CBT for disorders? Why would you want to change someones personality traits? Forcing an introvert to just socialize with others more is like forcing an extrovert to just chill out and be alone more.
Socializing is overrated.
"it's easy for me to be in front of people, that's a very different thing than being with people". I knew I liked Henry Rollins WAY before this, but that summed up things for me in so many ways. I so would love to meet that man some day.
Henry has that humble/appreciative quality celebs like Shatner would enjoy with another celeb.
As an only child and an introvert with a strong personality, I totally respect how henry is. Infact I admire him for keeping his him time, and be an admired public figure for his work. Good stuff
I love Henry Rollins... Wish I could meet him someday. No matter what he does or who he speaks with he is always interesting, heartfelt and strong. Big Fan... Good show Joe; I suspect you see and feel the same way which is why you have him on. I smiled and contemplated his careful and thorough description of the woes he has experienced... Tell Shatner he's awesome too please!
I wish I had him as a mentor when I was younger. I can completely understand the social anxiety, 100%. And as a kid, when ever asked "what do you want to do when you get older" I'd answer a singer. Love music. That said, wild horses couldn't get me in front of a crowd. Way to scared I'd sound like crap, forget words etc. Pretty much the same feelings when being social. If I didn't have to work, I probably wouldn't leave the house.......And now i'm 46 with a failing body from work. Not only missed my boat, I watched sail away. 😥
Very cool. I’ve always liked you Joe, Henry too. This is funny, he has said exactly two words to me as a fan spaced out over ten years. Years ago Rollin’s Band was in town so I went. First band was playing and I went straight to the bar in this big open rectangular club. The bar and bathrooms were at one end and the stage at the other. Got my beer and started to walk towards the stage. It just so happened that someone coming out of the bathroom was kind of paralleling me. We were walking even. Went about half way and stopped. I thought to myself either that’s Henry’s number one fan or that’s Henry Rollins. I’d read his books and knew how he was a bit. Nobody else noticed him, he was checking out the opener and the sound. I stopped even with him and wanted to say something but not really bother him and be respectful. I slowly side stepped nearer and nearer. I stared at the stage and finally leaned in and said “ how’s it going?” Without even turning his head he said “good.” I slowly side stepped back to my original position. He finally got noticed, people trying to talk to him. He got an uncomfortable look on his face and went backstage. That was one word. Ten years later I saw him on a spoken word tour and caught him outside after the show. He was actually talking to people so I thought I’d give it a try. I had written down two of my favorite books on a piece of paper to give to him. Rogue Warrior by Richard Marcinko who started team 6 and Boyd the man who perfected the art of war. Two excellent books that I highly recommend. I walked up to him and gave him the paper saying I have a couple of good books for you to check out. “Yeah?” He said. That was word Two, two words over ten years. Ha, ha! Peace, Phil
One more reason to love Henry!!! He’s just so honest.
Rollins is a socially awkward individual that doesn’t like hanging out with groups of people...which is fine since many people are like that. I used to really like his music from when he was part of Black Flag and the other bands over the years.
As an actor I really like him also. He played “Cain” in the movie called He Never Died, a small Indy film that wasn’t seen by many people unfortunately. That said it was an entertaining movie and he did a good job in it.
Loved Cain
Yeah, he's always a great a musician and actor. Hearing him talk about his life, I can appreciate how talented he is. His friendship with William Shatner blows my mind :D
Watched it on Netflix, was a pretty good movie I was surprised how much I liked it, they're apparently making a TV series out of it. Hope it's good.
Dude, I KNEW I saw this guy from somewhere! Fuckin' loved He Never Died. Freaking great movie.
That was an incredible movie. Picked it almost at random on Netflix and was so glad i found it.
I love the duality of how badass Henry is being offset by how Intellectual and shy he is.
I can relate totally. I have the same phobias at 72. My new adapted family (4yrs) has helped me to push past it. Its still my natural default ‘go to place’ though and i have to make a conscious effort.
He seems like such a sweetheart of a guy! Just a humble dude. Been a fan of his for a long time!
The new William Shatner record "Shat Rollins Downhill."
What a fucking great bloke, down to earth, humble and didn't name drop when he said he wouldn't. And has Shatner as a friend.
I feel that pressure he is talking about. It is such a grind to be a musician or content creator. This has been such an amazing podcast! This is why I started my own channel! Joe is the goat!
Was lucky enough to meet Mr Rollins after a show in Kitchener, he took time for every single person who waited for him afterwards, nothing but class
So far as I only started watching Rogan for a few months , it is a great show. Unlike every other interview show the guest actually gets to drive the direction of the conversation. As well Mr Rogan allows his guests to actually talk. Have to watch this full interview. Aware of Henry Rollins more by his stature as a punk icon. Know a few of his tunes, but the guy is fun to listen to.
Dude I fucking love Henry and Joe talking. Both just great dudes who complement each other's personalities so well.
"If you could pick one person to fight, who would it be?"
"William Shatner. I'd fight William Shatner."
"If you could pick one person to be friends with, who would it be?"
"William Shatner. I'd be friends with William Shatner."
Fight Club.
I can appreciate what Henry Rollins is say. When you're in front of people it's a performance, you're kind of portraying a character even if the character is an idealized version of yourself. It's much different than the give and take of interaction.
I totally get everything he said.....friendships are hard and sometimes messy and sometimes worth it hassle. I spend a lot of time alone lol
Kiddeth I completely understand
Especially hard when you murder them and blame it on random groups of blacks who are never found (allegedly) RIP Joe Cole
Dude I love your show for a long time. Too many great interviews and conversations to name but this one-I’m having a hard time not making this number one. Ed Rollins opened up to you for fourteen minutes in such a real raw articulate way that I’m about to watch it again. I listen to talk radio on my ride into work and spend half my time yelling at the radio “shut up and let him talk!” You can see why most get into radio because love hearing themselves talk. The host interviewer should ask the right questions and interject his personality and humor sparingly and disarm the guest and make them comfortable enough to talk. Your “talk” with Ed was a great example of that . So great job. Rollins was awesome
I bought his anthology book years ago. The guy has a way with words to be sure.
I didn't know much about Henry outside Black Flag, but this segment taught me a lot about his character and respect for other humans. Solid dude and very thoughtful
Shatner's version of Lucy in the sky with diamonds is the best Beatles cover ever!
It's refreshing knowing that everyone has this.
Billy Bob Thornton would be the perfect friend for Henry.
uh..no. I've met billy bob..two completely different personality types.
Gosh, I am a teacher and can totally relate to what he says about general socializing vs being up in front of crowd. Exact same here.
holy fuck, he sounds SO much like me!!! i wasn't always like this, but i've fallen madly in love with my independence.
Love this guy in the movie he never died.
"Managing Expectations"... This is why I listen to Joe. Another personal ah-ha moment... "It's the Samurai in me".... I have to be respectful
As I got older I wanted less and less people around me and now that I'm old I have a few close friends, keep most folks, especially family, out of my inner circle and see one person almost every Saturday since 2005 and she is the best friend I could ask for
Introverts Unite! Separately, in your own homes, comfortably content with your existance!
I absolutely can relate to Henry. I not shy at all but i really hate being around people.
Really enjoyed this. The amazing Bill Shatner! No wonder Star Trek was so good. He has so much energy that one day we'll read that he spontaneously combusted.
Warp core breach!!
I have always loved Shatner and Rollins. Now I love them more.
What a great friend William Shatner..he sees him once a year lol
ZeGRMMA man, that’s adult friendships in a nutshell. I see my best friends in the world maybe every six months
I love Joes' honest laugh, that is flattery for the guests. Henry is great in this, seriously.
Johnny Carson also was very uncomfortable being "with" people who weren't close to him.
One of Joe's best guest. Rollins is amazing and genuine
I'm a lot like Henry except that I don't know Bill Shatner.