FORD CLEVELAND 408 CUBE BUILD AND DYNO! | Iconic Engine Series
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- Check out this big cube Ford Cleveland torque monster with perfect street manners to boot! Built by the team at PowerHouse Engines in Australia, this iconic Ford V8 engine should be the perfect allrounder on the street.
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Decking and squaring it up from crank to top is absolutely critical and you Aussies are Masters of Cleveland Performance! Here in the States it’s The most “Banned” engine in Racing. No sweeter engine sound ever than a 351C at full song!
Is that why the Windsor stayed in production so much longer? Because the Clevo was banned so much?
@peterj5751 windsors don't make any power until you put a non ford head on them.
@@flatbrokemodsquad4241 which makes you wonder why the Cleveland was discontinued long before the Windsor.
Discontinued because of emissions controls, was built in Australia through to around 83. During the 70s most V8s from factory were strangled by pollution gear.
@@flatbrokemodsquad4241that's not true either. Just built a windsor 408 stroke all cast iron except for the intake 522 horsepower.
That much power with 27° of timing!! Thats a sign of huge efficency inside that combustion chamber! And it will run ICE cold on pump gas ! Those Clevos rock ,good job and Seppo approved!
Spot on! Yes, the CHI runs a great chamber design. The LS engine is also a good example of a well designed chamber requiring less ign timing.
I run mine on propane and use the 302 Cleveland 2V heads on the 351 , greetings from Australia 🇦🇺
SO good to see the cleveland,still bellowing out that glorious sound,even though it is quite mild,it will still be a handful in F100,i been running clevelands for over 46 years,still not sick of them
I had a 72 f100 4×4 with the little transfer case and 4speed... Was a favorite of mine...
The old Cleveland is a beautiful engine. What a beast you've built and perfect for a truck.
Something other than an LS‽‽‽‽‽ well that'll do me
Me too my friend, iam too tired of hearing about LS s also✌🏻
Amen
I like smoking ls builds with my junk iron head junk.
Well said
Clevelands eat ls's and crap bowties 😎
Glenn, everytime you post it's a delight to listen to your educational and interesting videos, all the best mate
You’ve made my day mate! Glad you’re enjoy it all. 😊
I would love to make 500HP in my Boss 351 EFI. I want to run the original Boss heads though with no porting/polishing. Is this possible and if so what cam would be required?
351derful
You Aussies turn out some fantastic performers from what us Yanks created back in the day, and from what I have understood over the years you guys didn’t lose factory built muscle motors unlike what happened to us over here for a long time starting in the 70’s and going through much of the 80’s and 90’s for most vehicles.
I have to under 500 original miles my dad loved those he said the windsor was not as good.
Thank you so much. I am about to built my 351c 4v from a 74 mustang into a 408 stroker for my 67 f100. Your video was great. I hope I do as well with my 4v stock heads. I'm told they're from down under.
Nice work Glen👌 I've also really enjoyed all of your shows from way back, keep them up👍☺
I don't know if you noticed the coolant hose starting to get sucked closed. It probably won't be an issue in his truck. Just a heads up.
That will be one sweet sounding F truck - and it will pull like a tractor !
Awesome no need to rev sounds like a bit of float is happening
Fact: the stock factory 1970 351 Cleveland had a bigger carb (780cfm v 740cfm) than the Boss 429.
Great video! Love to hear a V8 rev - nothing like it!
Any change out of $20k for this type of build?
2 dollars 34 cents
501/512 in a F series should absolutely get it done. Outstanding work as usual.💪
Sounded good, plenty of power out of the clevo..love your uploads, as i always have done..
Hi Glenn, another informative vid.
With the aftermarket heads and inlet, did you do much finishing? Valve seats, radiusing, port matching etc? Cheers Chris.
Hi Chris! Thats a good question and I’d have to ask PowerHouses’s machine shop division in this case, but in most cases yes, castings are purchased bare and fettled in house with tweaks, finishing (sometimes even CNC porting) and then John’s choice of preferred hardware to complete the end product.
Glenn you came up in conversation in an Overtaking Lane chat.
What ever happened to project ' War horse ' that 71 HO you started years back? I think there was a fallout and change of name of the show or something?
Have not seen an upload of yours in like 10 years ( busy doing other stuff ) but lockdown got me addicted to drag racing and street racing so excuse my ignorance if you have already cleared this up.
I'm playing catch up.
Cheers mate thanks for the content 👍
Hi mate, great to see you've caught my channel after all this time. Unfortunately, I had to move the project on as I ran out of budget to complete it. Thankfully I have a sister car but in a road variant these days.
@@GlennEverittMasterofMachines cheers for clearing that up mate.
Now to get through your back catalogue of uploads. Cheers 👍
@@psyopgypsy , will do! Great to have you onboard.
That’s a great engine. Just a note tho, those tapered 4 hole spacers work best on single planes, the 4 hole untapered are good on dual planes( keeps velocity up).
We've found similar results of both single and dual plane with the tapered. We also have straight 4 hole, completely Open and tapered open in our test set, both 1 and 2 inch high variants. We often fit all 4 styles in a session to see which works best on a given intake manifold design.
@@GlennEverittMasterofMachines Which one seems to work best on Ford windsors and a super victor intake?
Sounded like a bit of valve float was taking place at high rpms .
#clevotheworld 💪🏻🇦🇺
I don't really like the generalize but when I saw Cleveland, I thought to myself yeah it's the Aussie Bros!
Great job to Johnny and you the boys at Powerhouse 👍🏻
Why a big 950 carburetor when the customer wants it for low RPM 5000 rpm and under,
Yeah I thought that too. Carb should be like 750 maybe.
@@jegr3398 I'm running a 750dp on mine and I'm still lean I'm having issues a bit of sputter on tip in so I'm going to change power valve center squirters and go to 50cc pumps front and back to see if that helps
Do those heads flow any better than the 4v oem heads ?
And do they have the raised exhaust ports. Glidden ran the heads with the raised exhaust ports and it made a world of difference. We copied it as soon as possible lol
Has Boost on the Cleveland been done recently ? If so who makes the application. The 408 is stout
Did you guys see what that spacer did to the torque on the low end? It looks like a 30 lbs+ gain at load-in. WOW!!
I'm not so convinced torque plate honing actually works.
That's what I want for my ranchero - nice work ! That's a beauty !!
Loved this vid. Just wondering with all of that awesome machine work did y'all consider converting (tapping) the 2 bolt mains to a 4 bolt?
Just don't need it at this rpm level.
30 years ago I helped a friend run a Cleveland in his gas econo dragster with a totally stock bottom end. Regularly ran it to 7200 rpm with nothing more than oil gallery restrictors and a Melling HV pump. Never had an issue with the bottom end.
Love your stuff Glenn. And love the Clevos! That would look perfect in my XD.
Can you give me an idea of how an EFI system would have gone compared to the 950 carby?
Thanks mate.
Thanks mate! Power wise the EFI would be similar, although EFI provides more tuneability and therefore provides a more efficient engine drivability wise, better cold start, fuel economy, etc.
@@GlennEverittMasterofMachines Sorry mate...took me a year to say thanks for your info! Hope you're going great Glenn. BTW...what kind of dollars are we looking at for a donk like that?
Keep the videos coming. Cheers mate.
Sounds a little flat especially when you're free revving it.That plug looked a lil lean i thought......more fuel ?
The water brake was on and applying load to the engine. The plug read was fine and backed up what we saw on the O2 sensor readings.
Glen I have a question, is our pump fuel different to America? Because all of there engines they run their total timing around 36 degrees and my cleveland will ping around 30
Looks like they didn't have the vac advance hooked up either
Yes Andrew, our Premium 98 octane pump fuel (straight from a regular Service station) uses the RON (Research Octane Number) measurement system. I think the US use the MON (Motor Octane Number) method. Depending on the composition of the fuel, I'm told the MON measurement can be about 8 to 12 octane lower than the RON, but there is no direct link between RON and MON. One thing to Keep in mind is that compression ratio, camshaft profile and combustion chamber design has a huge bearing on ignition timing requirements. The CHI heads used on this engine have a very efficient chamber design, requiring less ign timing to achieve the desired power output.
MY IDEA IS A 351W BLOCK BORED AND STROKED TO 427 WITH BLUE THUNDER CLEVELAND HEADS IN MY 1964 FAIRLANE WITH A TREMEC T-56.
Look up dragboss dyno Cleveland 408. He builds some great Clevelands to
I’ve got a 1967 mustang fastback I’d love to have this engine in that car, I’ve had this car since high school it’s my first car. (36 years)
Hey Glenn what do you do for a job just asking lol
Started as an apprentice mechanic aged 15, eventually owned my own dyno shop, got out of the game when I was 40 and entered TV and media, but I couldn't stay away from the performance game, so I'm back! It's an addiction!
Big donk oh yeah! How many k $$$ for this combo
Great vid, any info on build choices and why adds to the experience
Question, I see all these different cubic inch motors, why don't you try the 400 ford, I know everyone hates it but, I've had one for years , a cam intàke , carb, really wokeitup. Anyway why not using the 400, it's already stroked?
Lol Im not even 3 minutes in and have to stop the video. "Con rods".....why are people so grammatically lazy nowadays.
I still want to get one of these Cleveland builds with those heads .
Great achievement
Great vid............ 👍👍👍
Sounds like a of work . I will keep my 351 Cleveland as it is . For all that extra money I can pay for the gas it chews
With those heads I was expecting a little more
I was as well. Those heads, 10.7 to 1 compression
240 somthin at .050 dur.
& I believe he said a 950 cfm carb??
I guess with a set up like that I'm used to seeing outrageous numbers?? Those are Yates heads?? Kaase was making well into the 600's in the engine masters challenge with those heads & 400 ci??
Was wondering if you have done the cutting the exhaust ? And putting the spacer plate in to straighten out the exhaust for better flow.
.02 of a gram balanced ? We’re you trying to spin it over 13 grand?
Hi glen I have watched all your videos on ch31.
The plugs were pure white.....waaaaay too lean!!....there needs to be brown color on the porcelain
Time will tell how these engines are going to hold up.
The 347's are starting to show their weaknesses. That's why the 331 is better.
past 5,800 it's clear that the valve train is all out of ideas
who does this in the states..specifically Northern Virginia!
What was the cam spec for the exhaust at .050? LSA?
Engine parts break down please.
With part numbers
With that carb did you try dropping down a jet or two in size. To lean it out just a bit, it sounded Fat on fuel.
If Torque was your main goal, why not use the CHI 208 head instead?
And the M400 Block
ON YA GLEN!!
Can this same engine combo be built on the 351M/400 block? With the M deck height being taller, are the pieces like intake manifold and larger main journal crankshaft available?
I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but I'm sure you've heard of this guy with this particular 400 M build.
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Look at back when Kaase was winning all the engine masters challenges. He was using these heads on the 400. There are articles about his builds. I dont remember what yrs but im sure if u Google it u will find them. He won like 4 in a row or somthing??
Great work mate
WHY NOT A 4 BOLT MAIN BLOCK FOR THE CRANK ?????
Hmmm, noticed on the last pull that the rear accelerator pump discharge nozzles were poring fuel out.
You mean when the secondaries opened and activated the accel pump during the early stages of the run?
Interesting, Cheers :-)
What's the cost to build such s 408 striker?
That's one solid build right there!
A great run, want to see some power? Add four 48IDAs and see it go.
I built a tall deck cleveland 363 recently. Subscribed
Me too
seems like a lot of money for only 500 ft pounds of torque and 500 horsepower
Buy, they are not available. They cannot be found.."anywhere"! GM has the LS stackled to rhe roof in every dealership.."DUH..
Not to many play with cleavelands..I believe the air flow is very important. I would have tried smaller carb. Would have like to see egt temp looking at the plug. 10.8 compression maybe little smaller lift
I have a question for you guys, how do you guys that kinda ls kind of sound out of these clevlands cause I see burnout cars like KENOATH have that sort of sound but here in America they dont sound like that down here?
Those Cleveland cylinder headed engines made hp really nice work
That is exactly what I want for the rebuild of my 72, 351cj in my torino. Can I get the spec sheet and just what was done.
Do Windsor's have the same weaknesses in cylinder as the Cleveland's? Cheers
Windsors are generally more robust in the block, although originals worthy of a rebuild are getting scarce. An aftermarket high performance Windsor block is tough as nails.
Get some Kase P-38 heads and gain some HP. Jon Kasse is the master of Cleveland builds.
Awesome video mate!
Something is happening at 6k- valves bouncing or something.
More timIng...32+
Sounds like its skipping on the top......... Maybe its running up against a limiter. Cant believe how little timing it takes to make power with those heads.
What happened to war horse mate never saw the end off the build
Ran out of budget a while back and had to chop it sadly. I have a street equivalent these days thankfully, same colour and all.
I have a Set of TFS Street Heat Cast Iron Small Block Heads I Need Ported . Were Can I Get them Ported . Thanks
What's the deal with the large hole in the driver's side header tube.
It’s an optical illusion. There is no hole.
That thing is a monster your lucky ya didn't destroy your dyno
950 cfm is huge for a 408. Hows the a/f ratios ?
John Pillaaaaaaaaaaaaar
Disappointed.
parts list?
Can someone talk to me about the cam specs of this build? Maybe I’m not familiar with the terminology, but 50 thousands intake/exhaust lift doesn’t sound like that much camshaft to me? Especially not at these power levels or with those heads
Duration is measured at .050 . 240° @ .050 . Valve lift I believe was .600". When you consider a factory 4V Cleveland probably had 218° @.050 and 445" lift , this modern cam is a big step up.
How much torque does it make from 1k to 2k?
Should have used a M400 BLOCK!
That would be a sweet engine for a car or a truck...
Those 3V heads have some amazing flow.
what us the ultimate 351 combo ?
Something doesn't sound right 🤔 at the top
That’s what they drive in heaven……
Rear Main Butt Plug Seal
This is very nice. However, I wonder if there are not more affordable methods for achieving 500/500 these days, than what this engine build costs? Looks like some very expensive parts for what most would consider "mild" power these days. What a good old platform though. The Cleveland was admired back in the day as much as it is today it seems.
It's all in the cylinder heads. You could achieve the power output with some old school cast 4v's with 351 cubes but the port is so huge that torque output and power under the curve would suffer. There is always a trade off to do it right and reliably, it just cost $ in componentry.
In the US we just start with a 400 cube ford motor out of a 70s era truck. Chunk all the smog crap, and use good Cleveland top end parts and decent pistons to up the compression.