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Absolutely love the sound of a good 351C nothing else sounds like them
351M 😂 Boss 302…etc
I’ve never heard a 351 M that sounded anywhere near as good as a well built Cleveland. Not saying they don’t exist but every 351 M I’ve been around was an absolute dog
@@vadenk4433 Typical for a malaise era engine.
Nothing like the sound of a 351 C, I love these engines.
Bad af
Being a big Cleveland guy myself I am impressed but at the same time I wasn't surprised..the Cleveland will flat out run.
5min of a guy drinking coffee?
There's a reason they used it and the 390 in trucks.
Back when dyno- saurs roamed the streets the Cleveland was one of the few engines that could strike fear in the heart of a big block.
Herbert Martin and the clevo still lives up to its status . 2v for the street 4v for race
Yes, one of Fords best race motors. Street n strip
Had a 351 Cleveland in a 73 Torino. Best sound ever. Torque monster!
It was the LS of the 70s.
Small block with the attitude of a big block.
Rule 1: Newer isn't always better!
Rule 2: NEVER throw anything away!
Your so delicious!
mad ass you're a bad egg
Never throw it away a special it works perfectly when you take it off the car
I gave up driving a car, because living in Japan One does not need a car.
Your rules are totally on top dead center.
Nice to see you Outside of LinkedIn.
Fords just generate oil from the air when they run. It condenses on the block and drips off, protecting the engine from rust. It's magic.
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Lol
Ha! Still love them! '71-'73 Cougar fan! 351C is a gem.
That's the only explaining that makes sense yet, especially in regards to two stroke jimmies, thank you
8:48 - Is it never a good idea to include oil dye for definitvely tracking down leaks and faster?
These Cleveland 351 engines were great in the Australian Ford XY GT Falcons
Also could buy the engines from factory and mate put in his ski boat 🚤 4v heads
I had one in an Australian 1978 XC FAIRMONT GXL.I wish I still had it.
thats why I use a roller cam now, no need to run in the cam...love them Cleveland's!!
Good choice as currently available engine oils do not have sufficient zinc to protect flat tappet cams.
Had a 351c in a 71 mach 1, took route 66 from Phoenix to Detroit in 1987 best ride so far,I'm 57
I used to eat all my friends with my 70 Cougar XR7 with the 351 C including 70 Novas with quads and I had a 2 barrel. I knew that C was special.
Cleveland’s are fantastic. My 393 Stroke Cleveland is putting out 650 HP N/A :)
im a mopar guy and i love my 71 duster 340 but ford really hit the mark with the 351 cleveland . great smallblock
Actually they did not because it came too late, so it never got to see the pinnacle of what it could have been. Ford was planning the 4V version to make 500HP…. But then the gas crisis hit and the production motor ended up being crippled heavily.
Ford never called them "small blocks".
Ever heard of the 318 polyshere? The Ford Cleveland engines borrowed from the 318 polysphere in that it used similar looking valve configuration and combustion chamber as well as the evenly spaced intake and exhaust ports (as opposed to the small block Chevy's siamaesed ports).
that was one of the best motors Fomoco made.
Nice seeing a Ford motor on your dyno Mr. Nick!!
joe Gaskill. Yes indeed. It is nice of course. That is what all American Muscle Engines is about and what I love. Good to see all kinds.
My combo is a zero decked 20 over 2v 351. I did light pocket work behind the valves and port matched the intake. I used an RPM intake and 1 3/4 headers. I also used the Pertronix with a recurve kit to bring timing in a bit earlier. My cam is the 265DEH grind from Comp. It runs like a scalded ape. Sounds great through chambered mufflers. Any more Cleveland content coming?
I love 351 Cleveland's!!!! Great motor from Ford
Never under estimate a Cleveland. Im a Chevy and mopar man but I have seen some really quick 351's.
Rod Roberts. You are so correct, because the 351 Cleveland engine is a great performance engine.
Probably was a built 429 SCJ in the Torino ! Back then guys would claim they had the smaller engine so they could win $$$$ and /or brag that their brands small engine blew away the bigger engine !
Just like other non racing guys Guys would brag they had a 454 in their Chevelle when they had a 307 or a 460 in their Mustang when it had a 300 6 cyl !!
I knew a Guy with a 427 Chevelle,changed the badging to read 327 and people said man those 327's move !! My other buddy had a 1970 440 Cuda,changed the sticker from a 4 to a 3 and that was one fast 340 !! Ford guys did it too...They all seemed to have 302's when you asked them to race and what engines in the car,and they had cammed 390's,428's,429's and 460's built right up !!
..Best one was a Buddy had a pale blue 72 Challenger with a built 426 Hemi race cam had over 860 hp and he had the flat hood,Chrysler Imperial long huge mufflers that made the car very quiet ,really a new modern car would be noisy beside that car..He said to everyone it had a 318 that was running rough,well after 3 weekends at different locations his cover was blown lol....He even painted 318 on the hood and 1/4 panel lol..Once his cover was blown,he painted the car black,added a T/A hood ,RT exhaust valance out back with Hooker headers but kept the Imperial Mufflers it sounded mean but at a low-medium level,it really had a killer sound !
I had a 1971 boss 351 stock but with a 780 Holley carb and headers it would beat my Buddy's 427 nova!
@Rod Roberts, THE 351 CLEVELAND ATE SMALL BLOCK CHEVY'S UP ALIVE. A SMALL BLOCK CHEVY WAS NO COMPETITION FOR A CLEVELAND. THE CHRYSLER SMALL BLOCK BY DESIGN WAS A BETTER ENGINE THAN THE CHEVY SMALL BLOCK AND IT ALSO WAS NO COMPETITION FOR THE 351 CLEVELAND NEITHER. THE CLEVELAND DESTROYED BOTH OF THEM AND EVERYTHING THAT CAME UP AGAINST IT. THIS MOTOR SHAPED DRAG RACING AS WE KNOW IT TODAY.
Yep Rod that’s true, I removed the GT badges and paint trim changes replacing the 390 GT emblems with the red insert 302 labeling and quiet mufflers with cutouts (dash control) but with 4.10 nine inch, sometimes the nine gave it away. $$$ made.
The ford ain’t leaking, it’s marking its spot!
Its sweating horsepower
It's not a Harley dude! Lol
Healthy sounding Cleveland.. Anyone that really knows anything of the Cleveland weather it be a Boss, Cobra Jet or plain Jane 2v config ? knows the crank in any of these configurations is nodular grind and can withstand max 7000 rpm. that being said all Cleveland heads are canted or angle valve geometry... minimum 2 inch intake valves.. With the Cleveland's particular valve/timing setup any stupid mistake like a bad distributor, crossed up timing or bad carb? one could roll/round out the cam lobes in a NY Heartbeat.. or damage the engine beyond repair.. as far as the oil leak most likely the rear main seal was damaged during crank mounting/torqueing.. I know I built many these.. mine were, one for the street in my Mustang was a Australian 2v Closed chamber setup knocking 460 hp, the other in my 73 Torino S&H, 4v American Boss config 40 over 357 knocking nearly 600 HP race gas..
One of my favorite videos Nick , Bravo Brothermou! A set of good headers was worth at least another 25hp.
had a 1970 torino gt with a 351c 4v man i loved that engine made lots of power
I have a 70' and a 71' Torino with the 351 4v and another engine on a stand. They all have the closed chamber heads.
Yea,that 70 and 71 was the best. I had a 73 4v 4 bolt main,spread bore carb,but it was lower compression. I think it was the Cleveland cj.
I had a 70 torino also. Raced it at the strip. With a sig erson Viking cam and double matching valve springs engine would touch 8,100 rpm. The track said if you race the car next time put a roll bar in it.
My Torino had a 351 Windsor, which sang sweetly at 5500 RPM, and a local guy had reworked it with a police pursuit transmission. I never heard it sing until I was cruising 140 taking my mother to the hospital. After that, I knew what I had. I thought about doing a B&B, but I was afraid the added confidence would be dangerous to my health and that of my neighbors, so I didn't do it. I regret selling the car when I was broke, but the guy that got it was a street-rodder and gave me $8k. Not bad for my $3k investment.
I miss it, and I still hear it singing in my dreams.
I ordered 1970 Torino 351 Cleveland 4 speed,positraction with the shaker hood scoop. Wimbledon white,black guts. Very fun. I traded in my 1969 Mach 1 with 4 speed 351 wins or gulfstream aqua,gold stripes,white guts. What a blast those cars were.
Get some hearing protection Nick and Friends.
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Great video, guys. Really nice to see some Ford power on the dyno for a change. That thing believes it's a BOSS 351 powerplant.
They had said that the boss 351 was faster than the 429scj
@@dalecarter4025 helps being about 400lbs lighter!
That's nothing for a Cleveland...my iron headed 4v closed chamber solid roller stroker Cleveland makes 600hp naturally aspirated ....Cleveland is the best small block ever!
I agree, no other small blocks can compare, was designed as race engine first, Boss 302. The heads in the 351 4 barrel are the same but with minor changes as the Big valve 2:19 boss 302 heads ,The 351 2 barrel heads are 2:04 a lot smaller but still great because of the superior breathing.The best...
The 351C is one of the Iconic engines like the 427 side oiler. For decades Bob Glidden dominated Pro stock with this brute despite chevy and mopars attempts to ban it. The 69 Mach 1 351 C 4 spd combo has been the demise of so many BB mopars and chevys the list is endless. That motor like the 427 is capable of scary scary hp and torque.
I am a big fan of the 390 but, that Cleveland is hands down nice!
The 390 is really a better engine in almost every way I can think of - particularly with mains priority oiling. They're also easier to find stuff for - just a bit heavier. But the 351C is a cool machine in its own right.
@@notsure7874 Once you go to an aluminum top end and manifold, lightens them up pretty good.
I had. 390 in my first car. It was s 63 .i had a 71. Fastback it got stolen from me
The 390 was such a great engine. We had one in our ranch truck. It could pull a ton and also haul ass. Best dual purpose engine Ford ever built.
In Australia, in the 70s-80s the Cleveland was Ford’s king of v8’s, ford Australia redesigned the us engine and gave it thicker cylinder walls to overcome overheating issues that plagued the USA Cleveland engine. The Cleveland powered phase 4 falcon in 1972 was to have over 400hp, but the Australian government stepped in and stopped production claiming they were too dangerous to sell to the public, 😢
That is one of the best engines ever made!!!
1980.....i can still hear all those laughing when i said the 351 Cleveland with only a few mods, STOCK BLOCK & HEADS, would put out 400 hp, and here we go!
The hidden truths about hp....
Who laughed?... Those are great engines..
Yea but put the motor in the car on a dyno jet. You wont get no 400 hp.
The 351C will make alot more Hp with mild work to it easy to get 500+ and still have street manners
@@TeamDrif-Tastik Rubbish. Bill Santochiano, was a Bathurst GTFord mechanic, some factory HO' 3 phase were running close to 500Hp. Call him up, argue with him mate.
@arborcidal maniac It's all about PMEP, which is partially determined by air flow, and flame-front propagation and those 351C heads were amazing for this.
Some of Ford's best right now. The factory ratings from Ford are always super low. Love how you kept it stock. Is the cam a stock grind?
That Cleveland needs more rpm ...they make power all the way to 6500 stock
What I like about NG is that there is no bullshit. He is the best for getting the best out of fairly standard muscle engines. And yes, Nick, 351s always fart around with their electrics. But a good 351 will match a good 350 Chevvy. The only problem is the weight. Aluminium heads and intake would get over 400 out of this engine.
I worked on a woman's Ford Torino that she said was running a little rough. I took the car for a test drive and put the gas pedal to the floor and it burned rubber all the way down the street. Lifted the hood and there sat a cleveland...great engine!
Must be used to driving 4 cylinder honda. This made 352hp at 5300rpm and 392hp at 3800rpm
Nice to know you abuse clients cars. Tool.
It wasn't a client, it was a friend and that's what it needed, a good carbon cleaning. It ran great! Tool
@@gsfbffxpdhhdf7043 The Honda back then had a twin cylinder motorcycle engine....600, I think. They had just started making cars.
Yeah right.
I had a 2v 351 Cleveland in my '72 Mercury Montego GT and boy that car was a screamer! even though it was stock and didn't even have a 4v or headers,it still went like a bat out of hell! sounds good too.thanks again guys. ☆☆☆
I'm a cleveland fanatic from way back had one in a Pantera!!
Dan from So Cal? If so Im the one that put your cam in
Ford 2 piece rear main seals always leak a bit. Thats why they eventually switched to 1 piece.
That was the reason all automakers switched to the 1 piece seals.
Chevy two piece rear mains are famous for leaking
Jon Kaase has made a living building Clevelands and destroying SBC in Engine Masters competitions .
Really? can you give me a video of this? [sounds awesome.....]
Oval and out...haha.
@@caratcranker5874Just search the Engine Masters competitions on TH-cam. He's built many of the less common Ford engines to win.
Maybe but. You can make SBC horsepower cheaper than any Ford engine
Yeah..... yawn.... you can also dump nitrous on anything. It’s not how fast you go, but how you go fast.
Yea, Bob Glidden had pretty good luck over the years doing the same thing in NHRA ProStock.
Boy this takes me back. What a great find on TH-cam. in 76 at 19 years old, I bought a 1970 Mach One 351 CV4 with an FMX auto trans and 9 inch rear end. Trashed the FMX and put in a built C6 with 3500 stall speed converter. Took the motor to the local machine shop and a copy of a Hot Rod Street build for the motor with HP output at around 425+. Cam high rise 750 cfm holly headers ported and polished the heads etc. Added 4.11 posi gears for the track, freshly updated brakes, coil over and traction bars. Wish I could have put it on a dyno but ran out of funds. Took it to Woodburn Drag Strip where the first pass was 11.60 smoking the tires most of the way. Needed slicks badly. Didn't get another pass that day as it blew the rear main seal. Common problem on this motor. Boy I loved that motor, it pulled so hard and sounded so good, pulled harder than my friends built 455 GTO or 440 GTX. Didn't lose a single street race the two years I owned it. Never got back to the track with it. Would have liked to keep it but I also met my future wife at the track and I still have her 42 years later and a 92 Fox body 5.0 that has some bolt on goodies for fun.
I had a 66 impala 396 4 speed, and I never beat a car like yours on the strip. I could handle most anything else,and always thought this mustang Cleveland setup was almost perfect.
One horsepower per cube on an engine that doesn't even have headers is impressive .
And a stock cast iron low rise intake too!
Thank god they didn't stuff up another XB Falcon Coupe to make one of these.
The Clevland engine was developed at the height of the muscle car era and Ford, along with GM and Chrysler, were fudging hp numbers to beat the insurance companies. The NHRA knew this and classified cars in stock and super stock according to real world hp numbers. Not to surprising that a 351C with 4V heads and a slightly bigger cam made 352 hp.
Didn't those originally have ''junk'' rope rear seals ??
Paula C. It was not the seal after-all. It was the fitting for my oil gauge leaking at the rear of the engine under the rag.
WANT to SEE HOW FAST this MOTOR IS?? .. DROP IT IN A PANTERA! Nothing against the INTERCEPTOR project ( really COOL!)..... But the PANTERA was only produced with the 351C and still beats most modern........... SUPERCARS! on the TRACK or STREET!........ ...................NICHOLAOS of TIME!...................
I like all the US V8's, but a worked or stock Ford sound's the best, that's my opinion.
Big Pontiacs (421,428,455) with a proper cam and heads have my favorite sound, especially at idle!
Agreed. They do sound good. But they're notorious leakers.
@kcotte59 you sound like a jerk. The opinions are like assholes comment works both sides of the street you know bud.
I think Hot Rod magazine rebuilt a totally stock 351c and achieved 383 h.p.
A stock boss 302 at 8000 rpm is 380 hp ,those boss/Cleveland heads flow
I have good memories of my Cleveland, one of the best running engines I’ve owned! Fun to see this one on the dyno.
Aussies would run em up to 8,000.The American blocks disintegrated at 6,500 I heard but the Aussie blocks were much stronger.Look up Yager Performace Bathurst,this guy has a Cleveland in his car and he is flying!
Nick's enthusiasm is infectious. I'm feeling pumped to go to work now. Better than a cup of coffee. Great work Nick!
My favorite ford motor.
I had a T-Bucket 351Cleavland with a 400hp motor.Mild cam.Closed chamber 302 heads.Ported & ground 2.5cc out to lower compression as Leaded fuel was band .I had to run 12 deg static timing and 28 deg by 2500rpm .The 750 Vac secondary Holley Carbi had 4mm holes drilled into the butterflies to fix jetting problems.On the 1250 kg ,3 speed Auto T-bucket it did 11.8 second 1/4 mile runs.I had Chevy & Holden motors but this was the best design motor .It never let me down .
chris lomas. The 351 Cleveland is a great engine for performance.
Here in Australia the 351C was THE engine for the ford brigade. Made famous here in Ford Australia's XY Falcon GTHO Phase 3. The hero car for the early 70's. They sell for over half a million with perfect examples going for almost One Million. Claimed output was around 380 bhp with a top speed of 140mph. The 351 was a brilliant engine, Aussie's never really took to the big blocks, perhaps because they just weren't an option for us here. A Ford American exec looking after Ford Aus (Bill Bourke) did have a big block shoe horned into an XW falcon back in the day though. It can be googled, along with the XY GTHO
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If you really care about your engine and you use a flat tappet cam, start the engine with soft valve springs. Then switch them back. Don't take short cuts.
Its hard to explain but if you are any good at being a mechanic, hang the#1 plug out on side of block well grounded put your finger near spark plug hole. Turn engine over, don't pump the gas' and notice when spark and compression happens. If you are good you know when you are close. Replace plug. Pump gas sparingly.
This is simplified but if you are good, you can always start an engine quick and easy this way. I have done this hundreds of times.
Never was a Ford guy, but that 351 Cleveland is one Bad A.. engine! I use to work with a dude who have one of these motors in his 90's mustang and that ride would hall A..!
The Cleveland 351 is a great engine.
7s29. I agree with you 100%.
@7s29, AND THE CLEVELAND STILL LIVES.
THE 351 CLEVELAND TOTALLY AND SINGLE HANDEDLY CHANGED THE FACE OF PROSTOCK DRAG RACING FOREVER. THE 351 CLEVELAND DOMINATED PROSTOCK TO THE POINT WHERE THEY MADE THE FORD'S CARRY 250LBS MORE WEIGHT AND THEY STILL WON. THE NHRA THEN LET THE CHEVY'S/CHRYSLER/ETC REMOVE MORE WEIGHT AND THE FORD'S ONCE AGAIN STILL WON. THE EMINANT DOOM OF THE SMALL BLOCK CHEVY WAS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER AND THE NIGHTMARE GM FEARED WOULD SOON BECOME A REALITY OF PROSTOCK BEING TOTALLY POWERED BY THE 351 CLEVELAND MOTORS. THEN IN 1983 THE NHRA (ANOTHER DIVISION OF GM) HAD THEIR HENCHMEN IN THE NHRA MANDATED THE 500ci RULE AS A PLOY TO STOP FORD FROM DOMINATING PROSTOCK ANYMORE. SO THE NHRA ALLOWS GM ALONG WITH WARREN JOHNSON TO BUILD A NEW ENGINE CALLED "THE DRCE - DRAG RACE COMPETITION ENGINE". SO GM TAKES THE OLDSMOBILE BLOCK AND STUFFS IT LIKE A THANKSGIVING DAY TURKEY WITH A CAM AND ROTATING ASSEMBLY FROM A BIG BLOCK CHEVY AND THEN WARREN JOHNSON HAS A BIG PAIR OF FORD CLEVELAND HEADS MADE FOR IT. SO SINCE 1983 TO PRESENT WHAT CHEVY HAS BEEN WINNING WITH IS A FORD CLEVELAND ENGINE. THIS IS THE REASON FORD DOESN'T GET INVOLVED IN PROSTOCK RACING. BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY FORD POWERED. AT THIS POINT BOB GLIDDEN GOES OUT AND GETS HIMSELF A BOSS 429 ENGINE AND SLAUGHTERS ALL OF THEM. EVERY YEAR AS GM/CHEVY GOT FASTER WITH THERE GENERIC FORD CLEVELAND ENGINE. BOB GLIDDEN WOULD SLIGHTLY PORT THE BOSS HEADS KEEPING HIMSELF AHEAD OF THE CHEVY'S AND THE REST OF THEM INCLUDING THE HEMI'S. IT REACHED THE POINT WHERE FORD AND BOB GLIDDEN WERE GETTING READY TO CAST A NEW FORD BOSS HEAD AND MOST LIKELY THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN NAMED "THE SUPER BOSS HEADS". AT THIS POINT THE CHEATERS THE NHRA TO PUT CHEVY AND KEEP CHEVY IN THE WINNERS CIRCLE TOLD FORD AND BOB GLIDDEN THAT THEY HAD TO MAKE A 1000 PAIRS OF THESE HEADS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IF THEY WANTED TO RACE. THE NHRA KNEW THE BOSS MOTORS WERE MADE IN LIMITED NUMBERS AND A MARKET FOR THESE HEADS DIDN'T EXIST. OBVIOUSLY THEY KNEW FORD WASN'T GOING TO SPEND COUNTLESS MILLIONS TO PRODUCE HEADS FOR A MOTOR THAT NO LONGER EXISTED. FORD AND BOB GLIDDEN THEN TOLD THE NHRA TO GO "F" THEMSELVES. THIS IS HOW FORD'S DOMINANCE IN PROSTOCK CAME TO AN END. IN 1980 BOB GLIDDEN DID SWITCH OVER TO CHRYSLER AND WON BEATING THE FORD'S ONLY FOR ONE REASON. LIKE THE CHEVY'S THE CHRYSLERS ALSO BENEFITTED FROM THE WEIGHT BREAK OF NOT HAVING TO CARRY 250 MORE POUNDS AND ALSO THE NHRA ALLOWING THEM TO TAKE OFF EVEN MORE WEIGHT ON TOP OF THE WEIGHT FORD WAS CARRING. THE FORD CLEVELAND MOTOR WAS THE ULTIMATE IN POLY ANGLE HEAD DESIGN. IT IS SO STATE OF THE ART THAT DOEN'T GEY ANY BETTER. IT IS HARD TO IMPROVE ON IT INITIAL DESIGN. TODAY YOUR SYMMETRICAL RACE MOTORS LABEDED AS CHEVY ARE ACTUALLY FORD CLEVELAND DESIGNS. YOUR MOUNTAIN MOTORS LABELED AS CHEVY ARE FORD BOSS 429 DESIGNS. THE ADVANTAGE OF THE BOSS HAS OVER THE HEMI LIES IN ITS CRESENT SHAPE COMBUSTION CHAMBER. THE CRESENT SHAPE, ANGLES THE FLOW ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE INTAKE AND EXHAUST OFF SETTING THE VALVE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE INTAKE AND EXHAUST SO IT IS NOT STRAIGHT. WHAT THIS DOES IS SLOW DOWN THE FUEL/AIR MIXTURE GIVING IT ENOUGH TIME TO COMPLETELY BURN FOR THE MOST EFFICIENT MAXIMUM BURN FOR MAXIMUM POWER. ON THE OTHER HAND THE HEMI DESIGN BEING STRAIGHT THROUGH ACROSS, DOESN'T ALLOW THE AIR/FUEL MIXTURE ENOUGH TIME TO FULLY BURN CREATING INEFFICIENCIES. THE CLEVELAND IS OF A SIMILAR DESIGN TO THE BOSS AND THE REASON THE CHEVY "DRCE" DOMINATES OVER THE HEMI FOR MANY YEARS IN PROSTOCK.
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It depends if it's a Windsor or a Cleveland.
My 1970 Mustang with a 351C 4 speed never lost a drag race to any factory 350 car. 340 Cuda auto couldn't keep up. Even beat some 400 and and 383's.
A GTO Judge on a trailer going to Detroit Dragway unloaded and lost a $100 to it. GTO was tubbed with slicks, and open exhaust. NOT stock.
According to Hot Rod Mag the 351 Cleveland delivered more horsepower per cubic inch than any small block from the late 60's early 70's they nicknamed it "little big block" Bill Elliot sure made his name with it on the large ovals.
kenny baird yep,. Ford went to Le Mans and spanked the Ferraris and Porsches.
@kenny baird, IN 1970 WAYNE GAPP AND JACK ROUSH CAMPAIGNED A 351 POWERED 1970 PINTO IN PROSTOCK RACING. IT DIDN'T BEAT, BUT OBLITERATED THE COMPETITON. CRY BABY GRUMPING JENKINS (THE BIG CHEATER) WHO CHEVY GUYS LOOK UP TO PROTESTED THE CAR AND THE NHRA (ANOTHER DIVISION OF GM) BANNED IT FROM RACING TO KEEP THE SMALL BLOCK CHEVY IN THE WINNERS CIRCLE AS THEY HAVE BEEN DOING SINCE THE AMA BAN OF 1957. AS WITH ALL FORD'S THAT DOMINATED RACING THROUGH THE 60'S AND 70'S BOTH IN NHRA AND NASCAR AND LEMANS EITHER BANNED THEM OR USED RULE BOOKS TO GOVERN THEM WHILE THE REST WERE IMMUNE TO THE VERY SAME RULES. IT WAS A COMMON THING TO BAN FORDS IN RACING. THE SMALL BLOCK 289ci WINDSOR WAS HIGHLEY GOVERNED BY RULE BOOKS BY THE NHRA THAT THEY LITERALLY DISAPPEARED FROM DRAG RACING. IN NASCAR THE INLINE SMALLBLOCK FORD WAS DEEMED ILLEGAL FOR USE BACK IN THE 1960'S. THE 289ci HI PO RACE MOTORS IN THE A/FX CLASS RACING IN THE MERCURY COMETS PRODUCED 450HP. ON THE SHORT RACE TRACKS IT WOULD HAVE TOTALLY DOMINATED NASCAR. SO TO LET THE SMALL BLOCK CHEVY HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN THEY BANNED THE SMALL BLOCK FORD.
Ford beat Ferrari at LeMans with a 427 Side oiler and a 289. A 351 Cleveland never set foot on that track.
I actually had my friends brother in 1984 mention that same horsepower fact as he transferred a 351 Windsor into his Maverick. Being kind of a Chevy guy I laughed at him. Since then I've come to appreciate Ford cars and engines, and owned a couple.
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Ford used the 427 in La Mans.
Wow, that's a healthy 351. Sounds sweet as can be.
I wouldn't trade a blownup Cleveland for all the Windsor engines made!!!!!!!
Nick that engine sounds amazing. Can you please tell me the cam specs and are the heads 2v or 4v?
bpr154. They are 4v heads. Cam specs, do not have them on hand from where I reply on comments. Please Email me at indyauto@videtron.ca and I will give you the cam specs.
Ol' Cleve's feelin' positively young again - got its salty back, ready to hop some tires!
That's a little bigger cam then stock, isn't it? Sounds great Nick!
TRUTH4 WTC7. True. A little bigger cam then stock.
@@nickpanaritis4122 Maybe the hydraulic BOSS cam (505)?
Thinking it would have to be, to be making that kind of power.
Clevelands literally have big block heads, so it’s not hard to make horsepower. Heck the 4V heads are BIGGER than actual big block heads…..
Impressive numbers for stock Cleveland I like to see him build a 400m
I got a 400ci my 1979 f150 it is pushing 405hp
400 ...not m ...m is the bastard 351....a 400 with its nuts snipped lol
400m is unsung hero small block. Torque monster when redone properly. True 4 inch stroke and bore.
That looks an awful lot like a factory spec engine (1971 Boss engine). I will never understand why these auto restorers stick with "factory specs" while building these engines, when extra power is so readily AND EASILY available for these cars. You have a "numbers matching" engine . . . . . that should be enough.
Nick really puts everything he has into building his engines and repairing cars. Much respect!
kcotte59, Nick knows how to build them.
You guys do know that a 351c and a 460 use the same distributor right? I use a Davis DUI electronic myself for my 351c. I tried many brands, Mallory, MSD, Pertronix conversion etc. My favorite is the GM HEI style
Back in the day I had a 71 Torino GT 351C4v that ran 14.08@100+ on street tires!
My boss has a 71 Torino GT with the Original 351 C in it just wasting away in his fathers yard. C6 & 9 inch rear etc. its all there but I would guess rust has claimed the body.
Back in 1969, I factory ordered a Mustang Grande with 351 Cleveland, 450 holly carb, Dual Exhaust, and AT. The 0-120mph was 13 seconds. BTW, it cost $CDN4,750 back then. That engine idled soo smooth, that on several occasions, I tried to start it, thinking it had stalled. The grinding of the starter said otherwise!.
Paul Moffat: You related to Allan? The racing driver.
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Good to see you are using a Motors auto repair manual for reference - best damn manuals ever.
Just wondering what numbers it pulled with the blower and if you installed lower compression pistons for the blower?
Awesome 351. Not bad for a MOPAR guy Nick.
LOL
The blower you see in the picture was just a "dummy" prop. You can see the carb that runs the engine under the "blower", Randy.
@@wendlormsby back in the day JC Whitney sold the fake blower in their catalog. It was just an air cleaner for the carb.
Notice how Nick never spent any time dialing the 351C in to optimize for power. I think He was miffed because this Cleveland annihilated any Mopar small block that He has tested right out of the box. The 351 C was the BEST small block engine ever to come out of Detroit back in the day. 😏
Had a 351 cleveland in a half ton pickup a real sleeper!!!
I use to have a 1970 Mach 1 with the same motor. I outran a GTO in that car.
That Cleveland is just starting to breathe at 5000 rpm
It’s got a stock cam so that’s all it’s got. They really need a Intake cam and headers and it’s not hard making 100-150HP over stock. You can’t say that about most engines, to hit those numbers it required a head swap.
don't under estimate the cleveland 351, we got big horse power out of them in Australia, and if you can get an Australian cast block they are even stronger, plus depends on what heads you use as well. (4V, 2V, open or close chamber ), we got them working hard and reliable, winning every thing since the1970,s even on the drag strip, and trying to make a ford Torino look like a MAD MAX interceptor , WHY?
Leave it to a points distributor to save the day that's the thing with points they never die like electronic do
I wouldn't say that. When I first started driving all cars had points and it wasn't uncommon to have the condenser go bad and leave you on the side of the road or the points to close up from metal transfer. You had to set the gap then the dwell to get to run well, at least for a thousand or two mile before you had to file the points and re do everything.
I've played with lot's of points ignitions and never left me stranded I have had HEI's go bad a couple time usually if something with the points you can fix it on the side of the road with Electronics your screwed but when I replaced Points and Condenser I would leave the old working set in the trunk just in case and you can set the dwell close enough with a match book or smoke pack
Depends on the quality of the electronics in the HEI distributor. HEI has gotten so popular that a massive amount of "low dollar budget HEI" kits have come out. I'd stay way from every single one of them. Any chevy-style HEI distributor that has the brand listed as Jegs, Summit, Proform, etc are all cheap Chinese made copies of the original design that used subpar internals. My dad and I put a proform HEI distributor on his 350 in his corvette and it worked okay-ish for a while but after the car sat inside the garage for interior work for about 3 months, the mechanical weights had actually seized up. Engine started fine but as soon as we went down the street I could hear significant detonation, which is when I found the mechanical weights locked completely out as if the engine was actually spinning at 3000 rpm. Pulled the distributor out to fix the weights and found the gear had about half the original material left on the teeth. Wasn't due to oiling problems as the cam and the valvetrain showed no such damage and we run zinc additive in the oil for the flat tappet cam. After seeing that, we decided to junk the whole distributor and got a Davis Unified Ignition distributor. Same overall design yet the engine runs miles better now. It idles much smoother than it ever has before and we have yet to see any issues with it.
Just buy good quality ignition parts and youll never look back. Sure points have that pure mechanical appeal with good HEI, the only downside is the price. But if you consider the ease of tuning, reliable/strong spark, no need for adjustment every few thousand miles, and a cleaner engine bay since the coil is integrated, the price is worth it.
i was going to recommend the D.U.I. distributor, then I read your post and you beat me to it. A friend had a circle track cleveland with the DUI setup, and it worked very well.
Steven Boyd. Very true, many Chinese products on the market very cheap.
Boy does that take me back 68 Ford Fairlane station wagon my dad passed everything from Chip trucks to Cadillacs with nine kids in the car thanks for memory lane Nick live on 351
I built a few back in the day and today...The numbers are good considering stock intake and exhaust manifolds. The DOAE 4BBL. quench heads are great but work much better with exhaust spacer plates. I would love to dyno my Ford 400 with the Boss 351 Cleveland heads...been sitting on the stand completed for 20 years.
You know it should be an XB or XC Falcon Right Hand Drive NOT a Torino
Guy Poole....that may very well be, but using an aussie built rig with the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car would be stupid, because having the steering wheel on the right hand side of the vehicle is just that, stupid....
Good luck finding one of those in the US, though!
@@ScottKenny1978 Good luck finding a good one in OZ
@@guypoole3444 I assume they've all been driven to death?
@@ScottKenny1978 Mostly rusted out and wrecked..as happens with 50+ year old cars....
Had a 351 H.O. in a 70 Maverick grabber 4 speed quick change a slight high rise with a 1150 double pumper back in the day it was hard to beat.
You would have been quicker with a 650, vacuum secondary Holley carb, Darrell...and got way better gas mileage!
Had that engine in my 69 mach 1. I scared a lot of people with it
That Mach 1 is my absolute dream car.
"The M-code was a high-compression, high-performance variation of the 351C, produced in 1970 and 1971. The M-code engines used the large-port 4V heads with a closed "quench" combustion chamber and large valves.[4] These engines also included cast-aluminum flat-top pistons, stiffer valve springs, a high-performance hydraulic camshaft, and a squarebore Autolite 4300-A carburetor.[1] The 1970 engines were 11.0:1 compression and produced 300 bhp (224 kW; 304 PS) at 5400 rpm." - That quote is from wikipedia, the only 300hp engine listed (gross rating). Is this the engine your client has. Did Ford underate those engines that much? Or or does it have a warmed up cam? If it has a stock cam, the Boss 351 engine must have made around 380 horse, not their advertised rating of 330. What do you think Nick? P.S. I hate oil leaks with a passion.
Boss 351 was really making close to 400hp according to what stock ones run in the pure stock musclecar drags. Most old Ford musclecar era engines were underrated.
original rating was likely "fudged" from spinning all the accessories and water pump among other things
Charles F. As you described, the exact same engine except for a warmed up cam. Oil leak was a dyno fitting at the rear of the engine. Easy fix.
There were two harmonic balancers for the Clevelands, this one had the better one. (though from my days of keeping cars running from junkyards - I saw that Ford was somewhat random in handing those out) Also a baffled oil pan (also random), and improved rocker arm bearings with a pair of oil grooves (never saw those on regular Clevelands)
The intake ports are actually a bit too big for the displacement/valve size. (the heads are terrible for street use on the Boss 302!) I built one for my high school car. It really struggled with ignition at low rpm, and so benefited from an MSD mutil-spark ignition and super coil more than any other engine I tried them on. Idle, start, gas mileage and low end torque all improved, though this was with a cam that had enough duration to make the idle very rough at 1100 rpm. It was '88 - pre-Internet and I didn't know you needed to add 1,000 rpm to the low end and 2,000 rpm to the high end of cam specs for the 4V quench heads. I'd intended a somewhat loping 1,500-5,500 rpm cam, got a 2,500-7,000 result. I just wish highschool me could have afforded a roller cam, as the manifold vacuum was so low the Holley I had didn't meter well. The power valve system doesn't work well if the idle vacuum is below 8.
@@throttlebottle5906 and to keep the insurance rates down.
The 351 Cleveland was my favorite engine! My '70 Mach 1 was a strong running brute. (God, I miss that car)
My 1970 mach 1 has the 351 Windsor. Runs good and all but I wish it had the Cleveland. My plans are to shelf the W since the numbers match and build a 351 C to use as a fun engine.
Those Clevelands sound just lovely at idle. Done a few for Panteras, they can make some sick power, with the right bits.
Loads of fun on quad webbers!!
Of all the classic Ford Muscle cars I had during the 70's and 80's the '70 Mach 1 351C was my favorite. And you're right! They have a sound all their own.
@@SuspenseESCAPEremastered I had a '70 notchback with a 302/3 speed while in high school, then bought '73 Mach with it's original engine replaced with a 351C 2 BBL. it turned out a rocker broke, so I found a '73 351C Cobra Jet engine and all was REALLY WELL!
You had me at Pantera sir.
Just shows how underrated they were. It's pretty common knowledge m code clevelands made around 350hp not 300
that Cleveland needs a comp extreme energy hydraulic cam ,and a air -gap intake .
Great job Nick! I'm looking for a 351 Cleveland to do a stock or mild build for my 1968 Cougar. I would love to have the 351 horsepower your motor made. What year was that motor? I have found one near me, the owner says its a 1971 351C High Output out of a Mark 1 mustang. The block number is D2AE-CA. I asked him the remove a valve cover and give me the head number. It would be great to know more about the motor you built so I could be sure to get around the same horse power! Did you figure out where the oil was coming from? Thanks John M.
NICK saw something he didn't like. It was the big BLUE OVAL on the valve cover because Nick loves NOPARS!
This engine would easily make another 20HP if it was twisted to 6200rpm. Back in the day it was proven that FORD under estimated the HP on all their High Performance engines.
Nick, pinch off the PCV and build up the crank case pressure and see where its leaking oil!
chuck fults. Did not need to. It was the Dyno oil fitting at the rear of the engine under the rag.
Hey nick ,i discover your channel randomly,the first video i see was the one at the orange julep in mtl,im from mtl too,now im in ste Sophie,i Watch a lot of car channels but i swear your the best car channel of them all !
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one horse per cube right off the bat!
1 hp per cube is a weak knees hot rod. I've built many sbc,s that pit out 2hp per cube and were streetable,not saying stock,but who builds a stock hot rod
I had a 73 mustang mach. 1, I blew up 4 cleavlands, then a installed 400 modified,much better
Another Badass video from you Nick.! You'll find that oil leak that customer was very happy about his engine!! Keep up the good work!!!
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"Mad Max"? missing the blower, that sucks sand & spits fire. Nice Job, Nick.
Hey I used to have one of those sitting in a 71 Torino. Was only a two barrel though. But I do know that the stock 4 barrel versions did have larger ported heads than the two barrel ones. Kinda makes me wonder if those are the two or 4 barrel heads on yours. This "wide block", was the perfect engine to build old 74 to 78 Mustang II's with. I had 4 of them back in the day. I can tell you that the oil pump went out on mine at one time while I was driving. But, the distributer had a tiny pin that was designed to break incase the oil pleasure got low enough in order to stop the engine without damaging it by cutting distributer power. Did you check those other distributers for that safety pin?
"M" code factory rated at 300 HP per the book - should be 4V heads
If I suspected rear main seal leak (or any oil leak not related to dyno fittings), the first thing I would have done is hook up the PCV to eliminate crankcase pressure. I'm surprised a seasoned veteran like Nick wouldn't have tried that first.
marcmielhausen1971. I am very well aware of crankcase pressure build up. PCV valve was working, and also the breather was OK also. And yes, it was a Dyno fitting at the rear of the engine, just under the rag.
Sorry, but I can see in the video that the PCV valve isn't connected to manifold vacuum and the other crankcase vent isn't connected to an air breather (venturi vacuum). I'm glad it was something simple and that is definitely one stout engine you've built.
'72 351HO Mustang would flat out fly!
Never got any pre-race respect.
Post race got accused of hiding the bottle.
The Cleveland was a diamond.
Too bad they're so damn ugly!
@@joeross6523 There is NOTHING ugly about that engine.
@@lilythomson881 I was talking about '72 mustangs, they're ugly as hell.
@@joeross6523 I disagree there as well. The 71 to 73 Mustang Fastback was a gorgeous car. Now that Mad Max car that this engine is going back into, well, that's another matter.
Had a 72 Mach1,351CJ,C6,& a 3.25 9in...dang near bulletproof, the Cleveland made power up higher in the rpm range than other small blocks.
350 BHP is very good, the 351 is a good engine , But I think 390 is better over all. buts all money at the end of the day,