just to add, you forgot to mention Kazuya had a just frame hellsweep which was essentially his normal double low sweep but you get to combo off it. Was in tag 1 too :) Rip just frame hs
This was the one Tekken game I skipped playing. I was playing Tag 1 and later got Tekken 5. On one hand I'm kinda glad I did because T4 sounds jank as fuck (and because Jin's JF Laser Scraper made him a God,) but watching these revisited vids makes me want to pick up a copy and try it out for myself.
@@Anomaly188well you missed out on arguably the best and most fun tekken. Trust me, I had every single tekken game. The one me and my brother always came back to was Tekken 4. The matches are so sporadic and intense. The environment makes things far more exciting
Been playing since Tekken 1 homie, I know the struggles and improvements from start to current. The counter hit "must" to launch goes for most of the cast in comparison to Tekken 5 onward. They tried something new and bold with this game, the walls, wall tech rolls, side walking, breakable objects, etc still finding their footing, Tekken had it's biggest turning point in this game in particular. Some for better, some for worse.
@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 True. Mishimas are supposed to be strong. What I like about Mishimas is wave dashing. I have a really irrational hatred of Jin though. Maybe because he's a goodie goodie and quite frankly lame compared to Kazuya or Heihachi.
Hi main man! I've been a huge fan for a long time. I am always impressed by your execution and think it could be a really fun idea if you did a video (series maybe?) Where you go through other fighting games and try to do the hardest combos in those games.
Tekken 4 was broken competitively lmao Tekken 7's juggling system is a mess and complaints are justified, but the older Tekken games are more broken in different ways.
@@free_playstation_2 Honestly the juggling system is the best thing to ever happen to Tekken. Hear me out first. In old Tekken games the damage all characters could do with their juggles varied wildly because of how their moves worked, and a game is obviously less healthy when some characters get three times the damage of others out of a launcher. When they introduced the System in Tekken 6 and turned certain moves into dedicated launchers, fillers, bounces and enders (by tuning how much startup they have and how close to the ground they can hit someone) they were able to tune the damage of these attacks to their intended purpose, and that's how, with further refinement in Tekken 7, almost every character had a BnB combo that revolved around 60 damage. Now in Season 3, the damage of these juggles has been tuned way too high due to the season-induced powercreep, but in Season 1 I feel like they had an amazing thing going for themselves with the normalization of launcher potential, and I hope they recapture this in Tekken 8, or T7 Season 4
df4+4 is pretty effective, especially when people overdo wavedashing forward. Pretty safe if you only press 4 once and it will force your opponent to reset
Simply-Abstract because you played it like Tekken 4, not Tekken 7. It was good, it was what it was. The stages were amazing - some of them were strange shapes. Remember the shopping mall? It had stairs! I kind of wish they could bring stuff like that back.
While i sucked at the time playing tekken 4, i loved the designs from kazuya. Was the first character i ever tried in Tekken and it's my main since then
Tekken needs to be brave and return to this method. Only launching on counter hit, and turning into a poke heavy game, but with slightly better movement speed.
Because back in tekken 1 and 2 sidesteps didn't exist, so kazuya had mist step and was technically the first chatacter to "sidestep" in the game, so the move existed for kazuya to sidestep. Now its only funtion is to be a shortcut for electrics and a tool for pewgf.
Hey TMM, adding onto your point about KBD in T4 being sluggish -- a while back I found that the ability to chain backdashes together is disabled entirely whenever you are beyond range 3! th-cam.com/video/opEZ5WE2hyQ/w-d-xo.html
Electric not being used as a whiff punish, but as an aggressive high tool to fish for a CH only launch is so odd. So in this game twin pistons and df 1 f2 were useless. Instead you might as well just try to be aggressive with df 2 up close (safe ob clean range) for a ch launch. And db 4 on hit (safe on block) was a great frame trap to lead into df 2 (& is safe on clean range). Plus Tekken 4 bad movement. It’s so close on who was worse, T4 Kazuya or T6 console version Kazuya.. ~ I might go with T4 being worse. T4 Kazuya sounded terrible to play and boring af to play. But so was T6, so it’s close for me.
Honestly, I'm so sick of Tekken's dependence on launchers and juggles. It feels so boring to play. I don't even enjoy doing them. Where as when I played Tekken 4 not one moment of the fight was boring. It's far more sporadic and exciting to play.
Ora Ora! He explains it in the video, it’s not a natural combo, meaning that if the first hit lands, the second one isn’t guaranteed, so you can block it
This game's atmosphere was incredible. Gritty and grounded.
just to add, you forgot to mention Kazuya had a just frame hellsweep which was essentially his normal double low sweep but you get to combo off it. Was in tag 1 too :) Rip just frame hs
The music at Honmaru is so atmospheric. Love that theme.
Now I wanna see all these types videos for T5 and T6, this is very entertaining and interesting to see the development of the Tekken series.
4 was much more of an oddball, that's why these are so interesting
5, 6 and 7 are basically the same game but with each new installment you spend more time in the air and less time actually fighting.
As a Tekken 7 player this is extremely interesting.
I was a little kid when T4 came out and didn't play tekken til 7. Wow...
This was the one Tekken game I skipped playing. I was playing Tag 1 and later got Tekken 5. On one hand I'm kinda glad I did because T4 sounds jank as fuck (and because Jin's JF Laser Scraper made him a God,) but watching these revisited vids makes me want to pick up a copy and try it out for myself.
Craptastic13 T4 is buns imo but the story mode is dope tho. They need to go back to that for T8 but I doubt it.
join the dark side guys...
@@Anomaly188well you missed out on arguably the best and most fun tekken. Trust me, I had every single tekken game. The one me and my brother always came back to was Tekken 4. The matches are so sporadic and intense. The environment makes things far more exciting
I keep liking Tekken 4 more and more as time has passed..
It was evolving the series. 5, 6 and 7 is devolving into a juggling match
Me2
Been playing since Tekken 1 homie, I know the struggles and improvements from start to current. The counter hit "must" to launch goes for most of the cast in comparison to Tekken 5 onward. They tried something new and bold with this game, the walls, wall tech rolls, side walking, breakable objects, etc still finding their footing, Tekken had it's biggest turning point in this game in particular. Some for better, some for worse.
true even most generic df2s were only CH launchers unless you happened to be Paul, Nina, Law and i cant remember the rest
@@tippingguy8514 yes indeed. The struggle
Kazuya was SH*T in Tekken 4 but I STILL switched from Jin to Him cause he is the O.G. Main Mishima Hero gone MAD
He was at least mid tier. Fortunately my man Heihachi was still pretty good.
Being mid-tier is indeed pretty sh*tty for a mishima stile character tbh
@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701
True. Mishimas are supposed to be strong. What I like about Mishimas is wave dashing. I have a really irrational hatred of Jin though. Maybe because he's a goodie goodie and quite frankly lame compared to Kazuya or Heihachi.
@Joe Gillian
Yeah mishimas are cool. Always liked their playstile too but couldn't stand the changes made to Jin from T4 and onwards.
@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701
Devil Jin exists for people who like old Jin (T3, TTT).
It's never going to happen but I'd love to see a Tekken 4(?)R. Seeing this game rebalanced and tweaked would be interesting.
With soul calibur 3.
@@stevemclovin1566 Agreed
Bro we are too old, kids these days don't like dark and unique shit we did
@@kain1144 Because Tekken 4 is the only dark and unique thing around.
Good joke.
That Kazuya 2P outfit is one of the best. Tekken 4 had some of the best outfits in the series as a whole and that one was near the top.
Hey, you got the game to display at 16:9 without stretching. :) Nice.
the fact that his ewgf isn't a launcher gives me coniptions
My favorite stage ever, best Ost
Tekken 4.. Love this game
Hi main man! I've been a huge fan for a long time. I am always impressed by your execution and think it could be a really fun idea if you did a video (series maybe?) Where you go through other fighting games and try to do the hardest combos in those games.
Of course, T4 Kazuya looks like Venom Snake after he woke from the coma
and immediately found some hair styling gel in the hospital
@@dhruvsharma6826 Ik very late comment but it's his electric powers that give mishimas spiky hair
@@EternalEmpr3ss 4 years is a long time... don't remember making this comment. LOL.
>100 dmg combo in game with 150 hp
>"The new tekken games suck juggling ruined everything"
122 dmg from his combo with highest damage and no walls actually
The difference being that a 100 damage combo was very much the exception in T4, not the rule. Also, I believe the health meter was 160 hp, not 150 hp.
Insta death combos are a thing since Tekken 1, lol
Tekken 4 was broken competitively lmao
Tekken 7's juggling system is a mess and complaints are justified, but the older Tekken games are more broken in different ways.
@@free_playstation_2 Honestly the juggling system is the best thing to ever happen to Tekken. Hear me out first.
In old Tekken games the damage all characters could do with their juggles varied wildly because of how their moves worked, and a game is obviously less healthy when some characters get three times the damage of others out of a launcher.
When they introduced the System in Tekken 6 and turned certain moves into dedicated launchers, fillers, bounces and enders (by tuning how much startup they have and how close to the ground they can hit someone) they were able to tune the damage of these attacks to their intended purpose, and that's how, with further refinement in Tekken 7, almost every character had a BnB combo that revolved around 60 damage.
Now in Season 3, the damage of these juggles has been tuned way too high due to the season-induced powercreep, but in Season 1 I feel like they had an amazing thing going for themselves with the normalization of launcher potential, and I hope they recapture this in Tekken 8, or T7 Season 4
df4+4 is pretty effective, especially when people overdo wavedashing forward. Pretty safe if you only press 4 once and it will force your opponent to reset
Man, this is so wild...
This is likely the closest Kazuya has ever come to being a pressure character. That's insane.
you should play T3 too, would be interesting maybe
My favourite Tekken game ever! I find it easy to crouch dash with Kazuya but ok the electric not launching is kinda messed up 😅
Looking at this, I'm seriously wondering how the hell I even played Tekken 4 back in the day.
Damn.
Simply-Abstract because you played it like Tekken 4, not Tekken 7.
It was good, it was what it was. The stages were amazing - some of them were strange shapes. Remember the shopping mall? It had stairs!
I kind of wish they could bring stuff like that back.
While i sucked at the time playing tekken 4, i loved the designs from kazuya. Was the first character i ever tried in Tekken and it's my main since then
so good to go back and see he never changed
8:00 TMM.exe has stopped working
Honmaru is the best stage it Tekken history right up there next to Jin's Tekken 3 stage
Could you please do a video on how to stun link with Kazuya? Keep up the great vids👌
Btw great content MainMan... ur tekken stuff is super awesome...
Tekken needs to be brave and return to this method. Only launching on counter hit, and turning into a poke heavy game, but with slightly better movement speed.
No, we don't. Jab jab>sidestep became old really quick
@@crack4184you know what became really old? Spending half the match with your character in the air or your opponent in the air. It's not fighting.
@DirectorHMAN If you or your opponent are spending that much of a match launched, you or your opponent are really bad
that was my combo on the ass end damn I miss that
You can also do the f1+2 after ws2, and finish with 2 electric behind
@Tcb bct again yes ur right
Wow. Kazuya is my main. This is crazy.
I remember that that's the reason why I didn't play T4 that much. Jin had a different moveset and electrics didn't launch
Well...this was actually the first time Kazuya had the EWGF.
𝐓𝐌𝐌 DO YOU KNOW WHY KAZUYA GOES TO SIDESTEP WHEN TAPPING FORWARD??? ONLY KAZUYA HAS THAT
That's his mist step. Look at the command list
Because back in tekken 1 and 2 sidesteps didn't exist, so kazuya had mist step and was technically the first chatacter to "sidestep" in the game, so the move existed for kazuya to sidestep.
Now its only funtion is to be a shortcut for electrics and a tool for pewgf.
@@anibalmattiwos7613
(I know it's 2 years ago)
And his mist step only appeared until Tekken 2, it wasn't in Tekken 1.
Tekken 4 is still the best. I hate the annoying long juggles that the game has now. Still play Tekken 4.
Same. Only I can't play T4 anymore cuz my TV is hdmi only. Did you know you can play tekken 4 in HD via component cable? It's awesome
This is the weirdest Tekken game ever, weirdly enough one of my first lol
I had captions on at beginning and said Maine Moms
Mainman AKA the Tekken encyclopedia
T6 too plz
I❤Tekken series and kof series
Note: in this game don't exist df2 PEWGF
Play t5 as well tmmswe
I Love T4 tho still a great game nd I still own
Hey TMM, adding onto your point about KBD in T4 being sluggish -- a while back I found that the ability to chain backdashes together is disabled entirely whenever you are beyond range 3! th-cam.com/video/opEZ5WE2hyQ/w-d-xo.html
Isnt this just tekken 7 when it comes to movement?
Electric not being used as a whiff punish, but as an aggressive high tool to fish for a CH only launch is so odd.
So in this game twin pistons and df 1 f2 were useless.
Instead you might as well just try to be aggressive with df 2 up close (safe ob clean range) for a ch launch. And db 4 on hit (safe on block) was a great frame trap to lead into df 2 (& is safe on clean range). Plus Tekken 4 bad movement.
It’s so close on who was worse, T4 Kazuya or T6 console version Kazuya.. ~ I might go with T4 being worse. T4 Kazuya sounded terrible to play and boring af to play. But so was T6, so it’s close for me.
Are you the one In the White trousers?
No he’s the guy on the bottom right
It's funny how this was the only tekken game with most broken combo system
Not broken. Just didn't depend on launchers. It was a fighting game, not a juggling match.
Honestly, I'm so sick of Tekken's dependence on launchers and juggles. It feels so boring to play. I don't even enjoy doing them. Where as when I played Tekken 4 not one moment of the fight was boring. It's far more sporadic and exciting to play.
I honestly don't really care about movement as i usually play tekken like 2d
this game is so much better than my wife
Tekken 4 is fun but literally a trash game
Aint no way he doesn’t more damage here than in tekken 8
Geez I had no idea Tekken 4 had this bad of movement and low reward for non counter moves. Makes me glad my first Tekken game was Tekken 5
Funny how this mentality kinda came back with T8. I prefer this actually.
Kazuya and Jin Nina anna
T4 best Tekken, blah blah blah.... Kazuya can't move or punish. Classic TMM
5:45 - how did second hit miss? Those are 2 mids and both should hit.
Ora Ora! He explains it in the video, it’s not a natural combo, meaning that if the first hit lands, the second one isn’t guaranteed, so you can block it
Sidewall + df1 making you move to the side
@@JihadH no he asked how it didnt hit, not why it didn't jail/ why he blocked.
they ruined kazuya since tekken 4....
but he was good in T5, TTT2, and T7 he was only bad in T4 and the console version of T6
Gameplay was much better in this game than previous entries. It was quicker and more fluid. The walls made it interesting as well.
Ora
This is one of the reasons I hated the game... the movement nerfs, uneven stages etc
why you keep playing that game
Because he likes it.
Because its the best Tekken game ever.
Tekken 4 has all the steez
first
Second
the most boring tekken game
stages are dope
what's so boring about that
Kazuya was TRASH in this game. EWGF didn't even launch.
He was really good actually, super aggressive. T4 is a no juggle game. Most things don't launch.
worst tekken after tekken 6
Disagreed
Tekken 3 and Tekken 4 are the best tekken games. 5 onwards is just a who can juggle who match.
Imagine Kazuya being in T7. He'd be a great addition to the game
He is in T7 you cheeky twat
He's in t7 you cheeky twat
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Geez I had no idea Tekken 4 had this bad of movement and low reward for non counter moves. Makes me glad my first Tekken game was Tekken 5