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I have had BSG Deadlock since the videos you did on the individual ship types. Your right, it is a fantastic game. I have spent many hours playing it and I think the Artemis class is a great ship. I also love the channel and am looking forward to the Sojourn.
I'm surprised you didn't mention that they also commissioned you to do some of the lore for deadlock. Didn't you? Either way, I'm not commissioned in the slightest, but I will say straight up that deadlock is probably one of the best turn-based strategy games ever made.
I felt so legitimately sad when the Galactica made its last FTL jump and buckled, like I felt that pain in my chest of seeing an animal or friend hurt. We always hope she’ll pull through, and she always did, but that moment was...ouch. Just a ship, but a friend, protector, and safe haven
Watching the scene....... that ripple buckle looked like she shattered her spine, I am still reeling from her final landing from her final jump...... it wrecked me. She really was a character in her own right as well as being a set. Even without the Cylon patches she was a living and lived in being.
There’s never been another show where every hit, every bit of damage over time was tracked for several years. By the time the last ep rolled the old girl had engaged a dozen base stars, taken down a couple, been hit by nukes, raiders, missiles, jumped through stars, been dropped into atmosphere to free fall, and then been hammered by 4 basestars for like fifteen minutes…. And even after her spine broke, she still flew. The old girls is hands down the toughest ship I’ve ever seen depicted on screen. Just like the Admiral, she was a tough old bird
A dive into a 'Pegasus Timeline' would be fun. I imagine it'll rank up there with the 'New Caprica Timeline' proposal made a while back for 'BSG shows we didn't get but want now that we know of the possibilities'.
Interesting notes: 1. While Pegasus was bigger than Galactica, a lot of the interior space of Pegasus was taken up with machines/automation. A kind of a mobile factory. 2. Galactica on the other hand is almost completely manual, and packed to the brim with weapons, and anti-air cannons. Galactica was essentially a hedgehog. When Pegasus was destroyed (and the Pegasus crew transferred to Galactica), Galactica finally reached the amount of crew necessary to operate at wartime levels. 2. Pegasus was very undermanned, and that's why the halls were nearly empty in the shots. They lost so many crew since the first Cylon attack, that you could go your whole day without talking to anyone. 3. Rear Admiral Cain achieved her position mostly through connections, and family legacy. However, most of the top admirals didn't want her in any position of "real power", so they assigned her to Pegasus - a very expensive, limited newly-produced prototype class. She had prestige, but no real power. 4. Admiral Cain was defeated in several war games by inferior battlestars but with superior commanders. Cain was noted for being stubborn, too by the book, and in-flexible in her combat tactics. 5. While the Mercury-class battlestars (Pegasus) were the newest design of battlestar, they were considered bloated, and extremely expensive to make. It was considered an experimental testbed to test new technologies such a mobile viper factory, more automation, etc. The class had an extremely limited run, and was mostly for show instead of military might. There was no way they could afford to mass produce the Mercury-class in large numbers. 6. Most of the Colonial fleet consisted of small Valkyrie-class and some refitted Jupiter-class (galactica-type) battlestars. The Valkyrie-class was the smallest, but was the cheapest to make battlestar. Due to it's small size, it was considered a "light-battlestar" or even sometimes a "diet-battlestar". -Source: BSG Novels and Comics (as to how accurate they are, we can only speculate... sadly).
Compare that to original series' Commander Cain, a legend in his life time, a good friend of Adama, war veteran that kept his crew alive and ship intact without supporting fleet for repairs and manpower and still went on attacks against Cylons.
The real oddity is that Admiral Adama didnt take command of the Pegasus as his flagship, for the Mercury-class Battlestar was fár more advanced and more powerful then the more outdated Jupiter-class: Galactica. Surely the most experienced Commander would pick that as his flagship, and not send his inexperienced CAG, his SON even, to command a vessel só incredibly vital to the fleet! The Pegasus being terribly undermanned, wouldnt be an argument as the nearly fulyl automated Warship was operable with a crew of about 800, if i recall correctly, Cain lost a huge portion of her crew in the Ambush attack on the comm-station, but still had about twice that number! Pegasus was superior to Galactica in every way, raw firepower, support and strike craft, technological advancement and automated systems, twice the size, twice the Figherbays, Many dockingbays: This Warship was a command-centre and raptor-factory in space!... Why why did William Adama give the responsibility of something of SUCH importants, to such an inexperienced commander as Lee?
@@thegreenreaper6660 when we look at the 20th century there are historical cases of admirals deliberately not being on the most powerful ship in the fleet. The most powerful ship need to be in the thick of the action. That also make the risk to the admiral and his staff greater and make it harder to control the fleet. One example is Japanese admiral Kurita. He used a heavy cruiser (Atago) as his flagship before the battle of Leyte Gulf... despite his force having 5 battleships.. including the Yamato and the Musashi. The two largest battleships ever build. In this case he got unlucky and the cruiser was sunk by a submarine before the battle... so he ended up transferring his flag to the Yamato... --- Regarding the other issue. Giving Lee the command is not that strange a decision. The pegasus is out of senior officers with CIC command experience. With Cain executing at least one, and a number of the being killed in combat or by other causes. Also we do know that he gone true war college... exactly what that is is not 100% clear, but it do appear to be a senior training that far from all officers go true. So even if he is not experienced as a Battlestar captain it is clear that he do know the tactics of one. And have served as CAG for a good deal of time. (also not doing so would require introducing yet another new character...) But The admiral should not be commanding a ship at all. He should have transferred his flag to the Pegasus and left the Galactica in the hands of his xo. (or some other officer with the needed experience from CIC) And then he could keep an eye on the pegasus and focus on coordinating/commanding the fleet... not commanding the ship he is on. When Nelson fought at Trafalgar, he did not command the Victory... It was captained by Thomas Hardy.
@@thomasbaagaard I do agree: the Admiral is in command of the FLEET! not just the biggest/most powerful vessel. Yet the Galactica was such a terribly outdated warship, and no compare to the MErcury-class 'behemoth sized' Pegasus, it doesnt make any sense for any capable admiral to nOT have the pegasus vást utility's and resources NOT at his direct command and disposal! The Pegasus was too important a ship for that! He should have assigned Saul Tigh as Commander of the Galactica, his son Lee as cáptain of the Pegasus, where he, as Admiral would oversee that: 'groom Lee for Command', idk, transfer him over to Galactica fro mtime to time to let Saul 'grill and drill him' a bit too; teach Lee some cold hard discipline etc.. But getting the Pegasus to an operable crewnumber to get it fuly up and functional, should have been a main priority for Bill Adama. the Pegasus would éat Basestars for breakfast!
@@thegreenreaper6660 another obvious question, if the pegasus was so understaffed... is why not transfer Galatica crew to it? Basically how to you get the most bang for the fewest number of crew?
Look. Lee Adama had to set a tradition. 1. Gets a new Fighter - Loses the Fighter 2. Gets a Battlestar - Loses a Battlestar 3. Gets put in charge of a fleet - Loses a Fleet.
At 10:17 you can see the launch tubes under the Valkyrie's flight pods. They are facing forwards instead of the side. Most likely due to the smaller size, they need to be that way to get the acceleration.
I read somewhere that each tube has three elevators in it at different positions for quicker launches, basically allowing 9 Vipers to launch from each pod at once. Anyone else see anything about that?
oh god, same discussion as when Lore Reloaded did his Battlestar listing. If I recall correctly, all canon media reports no launch tubes at all, even while it visually seems to show something like it.
I read somewhere that when Moore was building the series with Scifi channel they told him that the Galactica could not look like the original TV version. To get around this he invented the flight pod retraction. He showed executives 2d blueprints of the Galactica with the pods tucked in and they didn't recognize it and so approved the design.
Love the support you give Deadlock. It is such a great game. The base game on its own does feel a little incomplete and all too brief but with the DLC it reaches near perfection. Nothing beats the feeling of getting the Artemis for the first time in game. And then it's a game changer again every time you get a new class of ship, including the other two Battlestars. They are so well balanced that they can deal out the damage and take out Cylons left right and centre if you give them the support they need but if the enemy starts to gang up on one then you can quickly find yourself in trouble with only a couple of turns to deal with the situation. And when you lose one you feel that loss deeply, cos yeah you may even go on to win the battle with your other ships but it cost you a freaking Battlestar.
Lee crashed everything he was given... he takes his dad's Viper and crashes it ..he takes the BlackBird and crashes it.. he takes command of Pegasus and crashes her.. finally he takes command of the entire fleet by being president and he crashes the entire fleet into the sun (his idea)..
Love Galactica, she is the ultimate under dog, out numbered by a significantly more numerous and advanced enemy, through the skill and dedication of her crew and commander, she somehow manages to survive and move forward.
@@TheArklyte Basestars had lower cycle times on their FTL, they carried significantly more fighters that had faster launch times, and all of those missiles were meant to try and overwhelm a battlestar's point defense system, the Cylons could also build them rapidly and in great numbers, ship systems and electronics were superior in almost every way to colonial equivalents, and if memory serves the Cylons had more advanced Dradis arrays and targeting software, allowing them to better track their enemy.
I bet the guy who played Lee's character can barely show his face at Comic Con. Every five minutes someone would come up yelling, "WHY HELL DID YOU WASTE PEGASUS, YOU IDIOT?!!"
The Osiris was also referred to as a "Flying class Assault Ship" in a deleted scene. It was described as being an old design retired decades before the Cylon War and recommissioned to fight the Cylons.
Yessss MORE BSG !!!! Also Valkyrie has launch tubes . 6 going down the length of the flight pods . Although having a hanger deck in-between these tubes and the flight deck doesn't actually make physical sense if u look at the sizing of the vipers shown in multiple shots from the show. But then again who cares shes gorgeous
i saw people making blueprints and size analisis in forums and yes a hangar deck fits between the flight deck and the launch tubes.. barelly but fits.. renember that in B&C they even use a frakin normal hangar as the main flight deck for Vipers and a Raptor
@@sparrowlt i know they use the flight deck for shuttles to park but not sure about fighters . we may have seen them falling out at scorpia but they could be because it was in dry dock . but yea fair enough
@@travisbutton7527 OH! You haven't heard? Spacedock is making their own web comic series called Sojourn! You can probably find some details on their channel
Battlestar Galactica and Halo ship aesthetics are my absolute favourite for utilitarian Human ship design in soft sci-fi. The meaty hull plating and powerful profiles are so inspiring when compared to more curvy and flimsy designs from Star Wars and Star Trek.
I agree. They have a much more "battleship" and "warship" aesthetic than star wars or star trek. Some of the ships from The Expanse give off that same vibe.
10:00 the Valkyrie has launch tubes, they’re just forward facing, check the bottom of the flight pods, three on each side. It’s also possible that, given the length of the tubes, each may fire more than one viper.
Artemis Class- Galactica's original class from classic show. (Also featured in BSG Deadlock) Jupiter Class- Original 12-ship class from remake series' First Cylon War. (Galactica the first of class served as Caprica's Flagship during First Cylon War; due for decommision after conflict; re-comissioned for service as the last battlestar survived the Fall/ Second Cylon War.) Minerva Class- light predecessor of Mercury-class battlestars. (Viewed BSG Deadlock.) Valkyrie Class- Compact/peacetime-interim war class battlestar. (Primary class in Colonial Fleet by time of the Fall; entire loss of class by Cylon Holocaust. ) Sobek-Class- Escort carrier-type battlestar (Theseus one of class viewed in Diasapora Shattered Armistice.; class sabotaged/destroyed by the Fall. ) Orion Class- Submarine-like "pocket" class battlestar. (Osiris one of class viewed in Blood and Chrome. Heavy loss of class including Osiris during First Cylon War; after-conflict survivors of class destroyed by the Fall.) Mercury Class-Large class dwarfing Jupiter-Class battlestars (Pegasus the only survivor of class in remake series; survives the Fall via emergency blind-jump; Conflicts the following Second Cylon War up to Battle of New Caprica; Eventually finds remaining fleet led by Galactica 6 months after the Fall.)
And Orion is a cruiser submarine. Galactica is WWII battleship, Pegasus is Cold War superheavy nuclear missile cruiser. In terms of analogies to real world, I mean:D They lack battleships and nuclear cruisers in the series apart from whatever is strapped on top of carriers:(
@@TheArklyte they have dedicated escort ships.. like the Berzerk (or whatever) class battlecruiser..wich is pretty large.. you can see one parked right next to Pegasus in the Scorpia fleet yards
@@sparrowlt And the Cygnus, which can also be seen at Scorpia, pocket vessel used as an artillery platform with a slim profile to jump in, deal loads of damage, and jump back out, has very little hangar space, and not a lot of flak, so its a hit and run ship.
TheArklyte Galáctica and Pegasus are Carrier-Battlesip hybrids with an strong focus on que carrier part. Yes, they have heavy gunnery, missiles and tons of armour but the main weapons of that classes are the fighter wings (around a hundred vipers por Júpiter class and a lot more for Mercury). Remember that battlestar Galáctica Deadlock ships are canon and they have 2 excellent missile cruisers. The ranger class (excellent for conventional missiles but able to use nuclear ordinance too) and the Janus class (and extremely armoured design with a lot of missile racks that was designed before the first cylon war with nuclear missile ordinance in mind)
Best description I ever heard for the Valkyries and the Galactica. The Galactica was a improved 1980 era Iowa Battleship while the Valkyries were AEGIS Cruisers. You build a lot of Aegis ships and use them en masse or to cruise alone to show the flag. But when it comes down to it, the you only need one Iowa/Galactica when the chips are down. Then you get the Mercurys, which would be like a modern Gerald Ford Aircraft Carrier. You don't need the old warhorse like a Galactica when you have that, but you would need those Aegis /Valkyries to escort that larger ship.
I would love to see a true reboot of the series, where other smaller warships had survived. Like a small patrol group with a Valkyrie a couple cruisers and a few other smaller ships. I think they have the best combat scifi ships of any show or movie.
I hope that I'm not the only one waiting for more videos of the Ionian Nebula or the Colony with the Pegasus if she survived. Also as a suggestion, if you decided to make a few What it's where the Valkyrie survived the attack of the colonies and helped the Galactica, I would definitely see those concepts.
Right after the reimagined series ended I started writing a fan story called "BSG 88" about a small fleet that was sent out to investigate a mysterious signal in Cylon space. They find earth, which is a ruin but hidden inside an asteroid is a large (massive) 'battlestar'. They get it running and... well, anyway... maybe I will finish it someday... this fleet has 2 Mercury Class Battlestars that are freshly completed.
if i remember correctly we find out that the jupiter class battlestars were actually rushed in production and the constructors and designers ''cut corners'' as Adama himself puts it, being one of the reasons her bulkhead was buckling and bending.
always thought the Osiris class looked like a submarine that learned to fly in space myself. I mean it's got a sort of "Conning tower" and everything. that and from the rear it very much looks like a modern nuclear-submarine's hull form: blunt bow, long, broad, flat middle, narrowing toward the stern with engines and even what looks like vertical rudders and diving planes.
Very comprehensive. My only note would be that the Valkyrie has 3 forward facing launch tubes beneath each flight pod. If you happen to have a model of one they're quite prominent but weren't very visible on screen tbf.
Fantastic remake of a much loved show. This one is darker and probably more realistic. The acting was pretty impressive from a great acting talent. I loved it.
I've been waiting for this!! Awesome video!! I'd like to see videos about Peggy and, mb, other ships' survival. Or even "what if more battlestars survived".
People say a lot of times Battlestar's weren't that tough. But that makes me aways go back to the scene when Galactica got hit directly by a nuke and all it did was shake it a little. Things were built like flying fortresses, taking incredible punishment and still able to keep going. Even the last jump to 'earth' it still got them there.
OMG, you just said what I have always been thinking in that Lee Adama wasted his ship when he had it destroyed during the battle of New Caprica! Please make a video of that failure and of how that ship could have been used
@Spacedock, I’m so glad you advocated so heavily for modern BSG ships to be added to Deadlock because I just saw planned release content that’ll contain the Mercury and the Valkyrie class Battlestars! I’m so excited 😆
Like any good successor. The Pegasus was both larger (More durable), more advanced (Automated Gun Batteries), Self Sufficient (Onboard Manufacturing Facilities), and more powerful (Larger Guns placed in more strategically sound areas). Unfortunately it was the victim of plot...... And it's Network would be a liability (Luckily the vessel could operate without the Network).
I've said it in the deadlock discord a few times, but I think you might like this idea Spacedock. I conemplates the idea of if Cain had ended up being a Cylon (With a character arc of her having to come to terms with this), resurrected when she died, Pegasus would still be "Lost" in the new caprica arc however we never directly see it destroyed we just see it go down fighting, and instead of the rebel baseship, Cain had retaken Pegasus from orbit of New Caprica and used it to lead the Cylon Rebellion ultimately sacrificing herself and her ship in the Colony battle to allow Galactica to escape. That explanation is an incredibly short one of what I would have had happen but you could get the picture from it. You'd have 2 arcs, Boomer vs Cain, where Boomer sides with the Cylons but Cain realizes in a character arc of growth that revenge isn't the only thing, and she has the power to create the peace she so desperately seemed to want to achieve via revenge but now she chooses to achieve it so cylons and humanity can live together. It's an idea. If you wanna do something with the idea in any sort of theoretical scenario videos go right ahead, I'm in no position to use the idea lol.
I found it odd how tough the Galactica was in the show, until the last season, where Chief and Adama were talking about how the Colonial shipyards cut some corners when constructing her near the end of the first war.
In episode 1 or 2 of the new series, when Roslin is talking with the president, out the window the Firefly from "Firefly Series" flies through the scene.
Not entirely realistic, Battlestar Galactica still use the same artificial gravity technobabble, unlike the Expanse where they explain how the ship got gravity
I remember a time where trying to find any kinda lore or any BSG related topics was so hard and rare to find back in the day, that I just gave up completely and now I wish I didn’t, because there’s so much shit on it now and I just love it, even if the video is like 2-3 years old, which seams to be the average start time for most of these videos. That’s how long I have up trying to find anything on here BSG related. But what’s been bugging me for years now, is why the colonial fleet was so clustered by the time of the 2nd cylon war? You would think they would be spread out more, but in the 2000s reboot, it looks like they were more planet based and defensive, rather than a offensive positions like our own navy forces today, with fleets more spread out and ready to attack at any given moment. I feel like they did this on purpose, to help play the whole “the last bit of humanity left” storyline. It’s just one of those annoying things in BSG that was never well explained, at least from what I researched, but that was years ago and I mean years lmao 🤣. Great an example of lack of information in the show, is the entirety of season 4. It gets very confusing and it’s one of those shows where if you miss even a second, you can be guessing to what’s going on for the rest of the season. That’s like the only problem I ever had with them, well that and never finishing caprica because I thought that show really helped to give the audience a chance to look at colonial society before the cyclone creation. I think that was pretty cool tbh, trying to explain the sins of man and why we always have to start over again. Other than that, I loved the reboot, I especially loved how they brought back the original Starbucks actor but as another role. They paid a lot of homage to the original.
Reason for the destruction of the Pegasus was because the show budget would not continue to support two separate sets (Galactica CIC and Pegasus CIC for example) and the show is the Battlestar Galactica, not Battlestar Pegasus. The whole battle at new caprica would have been different as both ships would have been in the fight, with the Galactica doing her air drop stunt, and the Pegasus providing top cover for escaping ships. Blame Universal for budget cuts.
The fact that it took 70+ years of degradation, a nuke, heavy damage, multiple bombings, atmospheric entry, a ramming maneuver, etc to finally break the ship just shows how good it was
The mercury wasn't even the newest class in the books. They had mercury 2s and even newer ship's than those. They didn't exist in the shows though. There is also warstars and gunstars escort ships
I never understood the turn the series took when Lee sacrificed the Pegasus in a suicide ramming run, when they were winning and outgunned the remaining cylon ships with this beast. It sums up the end of the show in terms of the stupidity of the writers of the series which had otherwise been so so good. I hope theres some spin off where another Mercury class survives with a ragtag group of people who arent morons and can actually properly use the resources they have. Nice video summaries of this class of ships which have given so much to the sci fi genre over the last 30 plus years, thanks.
gold 818 my dad started watching it with me and will always tell me how sometimes he’s at the edge of his seat bout to scream at the tv because of some of the stuff that happens in it lol
@@imkluu I'll admit it has gained popularity later on because of streaming services but Battlestar Galactica still has a way to go before it is as known as The Walking Dead, Game Of Thrones, Star Wars, Star Trek and Stranger Things.
just to let you know for the Valkyrie you can see the lunch tubes are mounted under the flight deck in the forward orinetation, you can just barly make them out in the first image shown but they are there.
Good video, but you missed some stuff.. They also modified the flight pods on the Artemis. The flight pods on the Jupiter needing to retract pre-jump was a structural integrity thing. As demonstrated in the final episode, when you jump without retracting the pods, the ship flexes in a way that causes considerable damage. Now, it can be argued that a first war-era Jupiter may have been able to get away with a couple of jumps with it's pods out, because it's main "spine" was stronger, due to having less age on it (galactica was old, and microfractures in the supports were identified in another episode, lending to decreased structural integrity), but it's doubtful that even a factory-fresh Jupiter could survive more than a handful of jumps in this configuration. The Mercury-Class, on the other hand, was ALL structure... just looking at it, you get the sense that it is WAY more solid of a ship... If the Jupiter is a Sabre, then the Mercury is a fucking Claymore. Minervas and Orions were referred to by Colonial Fleet personnel as "Pocket Battlestars", due to their size, and considerably deficient robustness, when compared to their bigger siblings like the Jupiter, Mercury, and Artemis. The Valkerie's Viper launch tubes are forward-facing, and are located on the underside of the flight pod, with 3 launch tubes per flight pod. Also, what the actual fuck is wrong with youtube's comment system lately? Double, triple, and quadruple-posting the same comment, and adding additional blank lines between paragraphs... and edit errors that eat your entire comment... Man, they need to get their shit together..
I know this is a very late addition to the comments, but I'd suggest that the reason for the Jupiter class having to retract its pods is not structural but to minimise the size of the FTL field generated. If I recall correctly, it was the largest battlestar ever built (at the time of its construction) and would, probably, have had to make some serious compromises in its design.
I like to think the reason the Jupiter's retract their flight pods is not structural (since the ship is clearly very structurally strong) but because the jump drives at the time of her launch could not create a stable jump effect for a ship of her size. So for a stable jump field to form her profile had to be reduced. Hence why when Galactica jumps with her flight pods extended, the jump field would be unstable or uneven. We see in the series just how destructive a jump field can be when a raptor jumps in close proximity to Galactica. The damage looked worse than a nuclear detonation basically ripping through the armoured hull like paper. So when Galactica jumps within an unstable field it causes irreparable damage due to uneven field strength being applied to different areas of the ship.
I say if there’s any new show that comes out it should cover the first war and not be a reboot of the main series. Do a series that can add more amazing history and lore to build upon the 2nd war.
There's the Viper Launch Tubes on the Valkyrie. They're below the Flight Deck. You can just make them out if you look close enough to see the vague Viper shape.
2:49 it is actually NOT the last Jupiter-class Battlestar in service by the time of the outbreak of the Second Cylon war. It's the last non-upgraded Jupiter-class Battlestar in service. The rest had been either modernized with equipment to keep up with the Mercury-class, or straight away decommissioned and scuttled for parts and materials. We can see some Jupiter-class Battlestars docked at the Scorpia shipyards in "Razor", before the destruction of the Shipyards that Pegasus escaped.
In Deadlock the Orion isn't even classified as a battlestar, it's a stealth frigate. That makes more sense imo as it doesn't share the same general form factor or intended purpose as the rest of the battlestar classes.
I figured Galactica's flight pods retract prior to FTL was because it looks good on camera. Same reason Voyager's nacelles move or Discovery's saucer flip. It just looks cool.
My personal favorite is the Orion Class. It does an amazing job at capturing the kind of claustrophobic atmosphere I imagine a stealth submarine or something like that would have. Because that's exactly what it is and I love it.
I loved the way you guys explained the Battlestars and the classes but I think that the number one slot should have gone to the Prometheus class Battlestars which were built in secret by 3 of the colonial worlds and only 3 of the Battlestars were ever finished. How ever you guys are great and keep up the good work you do I'm a huge fan.
I have a theory on why the Jupiter class had retractable flight pods, the cost of construction. If you think about it the flight pods could be a design flaw since in order for you to jump they much be retracted lest you suffer structural damage, which also means that you also need to finish recalling all of your fighters before you can start retracting them, unless the pilots are aces like Starbuck. The only reason to have this quark is to offset something else like cost, maybe since the Jupiter class was being designed and produced during the First Cylon War the designers need to reduce the cost of materials and construction time so that more battlestars could be produced.
Daniel I know you love specialized ships, so are there any *pure battleships* in BSG? Just heavy, heavy armour, heavy guns to take out Basestars in one salvo and point defense (plus maybe interceptor missiles) to keep raiders off its back and take out incoming ordinance. Plus some launch tubes, loaded with nukes of course. No fighters, no flight pods. Just slabs of armour on a basic robust frame. Without the need to support fighters and fighter jocks it could be a much simpler design and be logistically cheaper, a good ship to fill out a fleet. In a battle it charges the Basestars a bit like Pegasus did, but hopefully not so outnumbered and with better support from other ships. In _that_ battle Pegasus actually was that style of ship, just not optimised for it - it had no fighters. Now imagine if it was optimised, no long term facilities, instead all firepower and damage soaks (flight pods are a weak spot). Although you'd use a smaller frame as such a ship couldn't sustain operations in its own, except as a hit and _gun_ raider. It would make sense in the first Cylon war, as a cheaper design based on an existing frame that just eats the Basestars while the true Battlestars take out the fighters, because otherwise Cylon raiders would eat it without fighter screens. A light Battlestar with more direct firepower and toughness than a heavy Battlestar. But if it was the last hope for humanity, humanity is screwed because it's not designed for long term missions on its own. I heard you mention frigates from Dead Lock, anything that qualifies? And if not, why not try your hand at designing something along these lines as a what if?
The Minotaur class Gunship is a good example. One of my mainstay support ships in Deadlock. No fighters, but does have light guns similar to those on Galactica's flight pods to cut down Raiders. Plenty of armor, but still maneuverable. It's biggest vulnerability is guided munitions, as it has neither flak nor fighters to intercept incoming missiles or nukes. Best as part of a fleet where you can assign a squadron of Vipers from a Battlestar (or Adamant class Frigate) to deal with fighters & missiles, but let the Minotaur slaughter any Cylon capital ship that gets too close.
Three ships are Colonial gunboats. Minotaur class. More like a cruiser than a battleship, however. Janus Class. Heavy Cruiser, with some emphasis on missiles over guns, but with slow reload of 4 turns to most ships 3 turn. The Janus big guns are on the bottom. Paired with Battlestars who have top guns you stack your fleet with Janus up top, and Battlestar below to avoid collisions, and get good use of the guns. The True All Gun Battleship of the Colonial Fleet is the Heracles. It has lots of heavy turrets, lots of little defensive light guns, but no medium armament of any kind, including fighters or missiles. It can even fire flak fields like a Battlestar. Its just a big ship with big guns.
All the smaller Battlestar types make sense. The Jupiter would have been expensive and resource intensive to build. So the Colonial Fleet would have used those as the flagship carriers, and built a battle group around those. Just like how the U.S. Navy has carrier battle groups, that revolve around the Nimitz carrier, and new Gerald Ford class carrier.
Same. As he said, the ship had become a beloved character all its own and we were watching that beloved character be sacrificed to deliver the others safety.
The last time Galactica jumped she did with the flight pods extended, and on top of all the damage suffered, that was probably what made the ship twist and bend like it did and break her spinal structure alltogether.
Those of you saying the Pegasus was too valuable to lose in a suicide run are forgetting the one thing more valuable than a state of the art battlestar in their situation - the crew. Almost any situation where the two ships attempt to take on four full power basestars without enough fighters to even fly CAP, let alone mount an assault on a vastly superior force, would only ever result in the loss of both battlestars. Most significant battles we’ve seen on Galactica show on-the-fly repairs being made with damage control doing their jobs, what happens in a prolonged battle where there aren’t nearly enough crew to triage the ship? Remember that the objective was never to beat the base stars, it was merely to give them a more tempting target to chase after than all those vulnerable civilian ships taking off with only light Viper cover. Funnily enough the reason Galactica probably survived that battle as long as it did is because there was only itself in the battle at the start - had two Battlestars actually jumped in after the drones distraction I very much doubt the base ships would have attacked without regrouping all their raiders first. Pegasus’ surprise attack only worked because all focus was on taking out the Galactica, but even that only destroyed one base ship and made it three full powered base ships with four full complements of raiders against two utterly undermanned battlestars with few to no vipers. Neither ship was in any position for a drawn out battle and ultimately Lee’s suicide run saved the crew of the Galactica while taking advantage of the Pegasus being able to be crewed by an absolute bare minimum of personnel. I’m not saying Lee’s use of the Pegasus was the greatest tactical decision, but when you consider he saved the crews of both ships while dealing enough catastrophic damage to the Cylon forces that it allowed the complete evacuation of New Caprica, you can’t really reduce that accomplishment down to a net negative because of the loss of hardware. The fleet’s main objective was to survive and escape, not to be the most tactically effective fighting force it was capable of.
That reads like a solid defence of the tactics uses; and a good perspective: the goal wasn't to win the battle, but to live to survive the war, as had been the goal really since the end of the miniseries.
Beautifully written :) I never liked the term "Second Cylon War" as it was more of a massacre/evacuation scenario. It wouldn't matter how many Basestars were taken out as they could resurrect. The Colonial Rag-Tag Fugitive Fleet never needed the Pegasus (If they never found Pegasus or New Caprica, the series would have been very different going forward). The Galactica was all they ever needed. Pegasus was a gift.
I'm with you on the waste of Pegasus during the exodus. They should have made their plans to have Pegasus in the fight from the start instead of relying on a mission that had a very low probability of success. If they had made a plan with both ships, it's entirely possible that both ships make it out. I realize they needed to move the plot forward, which means that the Pegasus has to be destroyed. The only reason they were able to go to the colony is that they were abandoning Galactica, so why not go out in a bang? If Pegasus was still around, I'm not sure the rescue mission even happens. I think that Adama wanted the mission because he couldn't stomach just abandoning Galactica and thought that if the ship is going down, it's going down fighting. He was clearly attached to the ship. If Pegasus is still there, though, this decision isn't as easy to make. He can still protect the fleet with the Pegasus. It was really now or never when Galactica was on its last leg. I love BSG
@@jacobbrown1690 no he was probably Republicans cuz only Republicans think of an unlimited military budget so they don't care about resources as long as they can spend whatever they want on the military and now with everything else
@@ringgold1212 I'm independent at best. I dislike both the right and left. But what you're saying is dumb. Republicans think they have unlimited resources? That's not the reason why Trump wants to pull US troops from places around the world right? Or why he criticized the F-35 program because it was expensive. Ronald Reagan was a Republican. He brought back battleships. Republicans are more military friendly and thoughtful FROM what I've seen. Leftists hate the military and do no good for it. They would rather impose identity politics like inclusion and diversity rather than stay realistic. China and Russia will defeat us if we stay this path.
@@HumanPhilosopherPatriot that's the problem with you you think that you have to have a r by your name to appreciate the military my family happens to be Democrats but we've served in the military since World War II we're just not in favor of forever Wars and stupid Wars you have kids now going the same Patrol routes in Afghanistan as their parents Republicans usually like War for war sake and the people who hid Rich are the contractors I believe it was President Eisenhower who said Beware of the military-industrial complex Republicans generally miss the whole point of that statement. Our military budget is outrageous what is the use of having the strongest military in the world if you have no money left to spend on domestic policy and programs and your home country is turning into a shithole because Republicans say we don't have any money for infrastructure improving our own roads in schools to make this country a better place. If you've ever bothered to travel overseas most other major countries airports they have bullet trains their infrastructure is a lot better than ours. Nobody is for dismantling our military but we definitely need to have better policies and a balance between what we spend on the military and what we spend on domestic programs. I'm so sick and tired of Republicans thinking that they have a god-given right to the military and patriotism when my family along with others who did not pull the lever for Republicans have served with distinction and honor so please cut that bulshit out about if you're not a republican you can't be patriotic
A normal battlestar is like a carrier and a battleship in one, but battlestars like the minervas and valkyries is more like a carrier and a battlecruiser (battleship grade guns but with less armour for more speed with )in one (the battlecruisers was originally designed to destroy cruisers with the idea of destroy anything thay outgun, outrun anything that they can't) this does go with the deployment of the dreadnoughts and the basic for the ww2 battleship and battlecruisers.
The reimagined series, it took me a decade to convince her to sit through this one, I don’t think I have enough life left to talk her into watching the original series lol
Couldn't agree more with your thoughts on the Mercury Class. While the fleet definitely would have missed Adama if he had died as intended, but the Pegasus was just SO much more necessary than the Galactica. The Pegasus had more firepower, more/better fighters, the ability to build and train new fighters and pilots... it was everything the fleet needed to defend itself. Lee wasted that ship, and screwed the fleet in the process.
I'd say having a spine-mounted massive naval artillery would make it even better, but I suppose that's more of a specialization. Other than that, Battlestars are fucking badass
Gunstar from The Last Starfighter. Star Fury from Babylon 5. They are functional designs. They look like they were by real engineers. These ones were designed by artists who gave no thought to how they would actually function. I look at these ones and ask myself how they get into the flight pods? They aren't large enough to move Vipers from one bay to the other, you'd have to put them out into space to move them. Look at the TOS-Galactica, she has the three supports along the top, plus she has one ventrally that would be used for moving Vipers from one bay to the other plus the shuttles. TOS-Galactica call also put more Vipers into space more quickly than NU-Galatica. The one "inspired" by TOS-Galactica in this video looks like one that was drawn by someone who saw the TV show when they were a kid and got it mostly right. It uses the 1080 foot length that was one of the lengths that was posited as the length of TOS-Galactica. The actual length of TOS-Galactica was never on screen and there has been many numbers discussed. After looking at the shooting model and the TOS footage, I use the 1 nautical mile/1852 meter length. It fits quite well. TOS-Galactica has four 4-tube arrays for launching Vipers on each hangar nacelle. That's 32 Vipers into space in a single launch.
I also have to add the TOS BSG ships, Buck Rogers ships. All made quite the impression on a young mind. Serenity +1, Macross, TOS-Enterprise, Slave 1, X-wings, B-wings Now, if you're talking about the original Galactica, then yes, the Battlestar is one of the best starship designs in all of sci-fi
Excellent video. I’d love to see the proposed analysis of later BSG battles with the inclusion of the Pegasus. That would be an awesome “what if...” to examine.
Okay people. Was the Supremacy, 1. Able to be hyperspace rammed because a small part of it was always in hyperspace. 2. Able to be rammer because it was the only ship large enough to create a mass shadow. These are the main explanations I've heard and I want to see which one people like better. Only in universe explanations please, we all know it was in the movie just for a cool shot...
They did it because the showrunners wanted ratings. Did the episode air during sweeps? That's usually when those things happened. That and cliffhanger episodes.
Yeah it was one of those purely "writing" decisions that really made no sense in the context of the show. I know Bill Adama was old school and attached to Galactica, but he's really going to favor her over the far more advanced and powerful Pegasus - a ship capable of manufacturing new vipers and training new pilots, two things they're always counting down as they lose them - essentially choosing nostalgia over a ship much better prepared to help the remaining 40k or so humans in existence.
They did it because they wanted to run through the rest of the series as quickly as possible, keeping her around would give credence to a more drawn out series with more temptations of an off shoot series as well, like CAPRICA(😑). They needed to close down the series, it was dragging, and after season 3, it just started not to make much sense. The writers either were just bored or just gave up, because it really could have gone into a more stable timeline, instead, it got into the realm of political correctness. What a shame....
If the Valkyrie class was a late-war design that the Colonials were mass-producing, it makes some sense that it's still around for the 2nd Cylon war. It's likely that funding for brand new designs was lower post-war than during the war, with more of the government's funding going to civilian rebuilding. Probably cheaper to maintain and update a war-proven design than build large amounts of newer ships too. If the Mercury-class is the brand-new, top of the line stuff, they'd build a few to show off but not churn them out like the Valkyries :)
I was completely upset what Lee Adama did to battlestar Pegasus, he should of brought some support ship like the Astra Queen an others if Armed to help out, #Spacedock
Regarding the Orion class missile defense pods, it reminds me of the real life defense system on various nations naval ships known as RAM (Rolling Airframe Missile).
One thing about the Mercury, and I agree it's briliant and fits Adm. Cain beautifully, is that it's a design looking for trouble. This is not a defensive ship, it's designed to find the enemy far away from its home base. No wonder the Cylons attacked, they could see one was coming.
For those who want to play with a Mercury or Valkyrie battlestar in Deadlock, they added it for skirmish mode (maybe multiplayer? - don't play MP so don't know). The Mercury is interesting - it's battlestar artillery is on the front and bottom, not on top like the other battlestars, so it's most effective attack is from above its target. It's the beast that it should be. Valkyrie is very quick, but only heavy guns, no battlestar artillery. Listed as a "support battlestar" in the codex. A fun "pest" ship for harassing a fleet until a Mercury can catch up and beat them down. (edit: fixed spelling)
Of course to simulate the Pegasus opening salvo when she arrived at the Battle of New Caprica and then also as its supposed to be descended from the Minerva class.
If the pegasus wasn't wasted the entire show would've been different.. Earth would've started up with technical advantages. And their enemies mostly destroyed.. Especially being without the regen ship
Actually, the retraction of the flight pods on the Jupiter Class was an easter egg to the Galactica and her sister ships in the original tie-in novels where it was stated that the hangar pods retracted when not in use to allow the Galactica to move a t full speed and protect valuable systems (and personnel) within. A great shout out to a very little known fact about the original Galactica.
It's not really pertinent for this discussion, but i think it's interesting that in the original galactica, the ship was 500 years old. Basically, battlestars were such huge investments in time and resources that they were endlessly retrofitted. We don't even know what the "original" galactica looked like when it was new, but it's stated that it has changed a lot, with few if any original elements remaining. Given that they never actually *said* that the galactica or any other ships went FTL, and given thatt he cylon war lasted 1000 years, and given that it and the pegasus seemed to have a family lineage command structure, i've often wondered in its extreme age may have implied battlestars were, to some extent, generation ships, sent off to operated on their own for decades or centuries at a time, or, if that's not the case by the time the series starts, it may have been the original concept. Just a thought.
I love this theory. I always thought that the Galactica was among the older generation of Battlestars (The Pegasus being a newer vessel of the same design). Galactica originally carried 6th Millennium Fighters (I call them Serpents) and Scorpions (The "Less Fancy" Fighters Tigh and Adama "Gave a good run"). It had several celestial towers placed throughout the vessel. It was probably Refitted around 40 to 45 Yahrens before the Battle of Cimtar. The Colonials probably built hundreds of Battlestars over the Thousand Yahren War (But by it's end they only had 6). Advanced Construction methods would ensure that a Battlestar (With a Refit every century) could be used continuously. The only concern was whether it had enough Tylium Fuel to operate.
I think the Galactica went at "Light Speed" during it's journey to Terra. Tigh warned that Galactica hadn't made a Jump in 20 Yahrens (This would be duplicated in the Reimagined Miniseries).
@@richardched6085 Terminology and science are so wildly inconsistent in the original BSG that it's really hard to know what they're talking about a lot of the time. However I tend to think "Light Speed" simply meant the speed of light, and no faster. That means the fleet was generally traveling slower-than-light, and Larson and the writers probably just didn't understand how slow that is and how far apart stars are. Just the same, I *love* the idea that nobody was going FTL, and part of the reason the war lasted a thousand years was because it was a Joe Halderman "Forever War" kind of situation. That's one hell of a retcon on my part, though.
@@mahatmarandy5977 Makes sense. Since the Colonials had Outposts far beyond even Kobol. It was only towards the end of the series that Galactica encountered Colonies of the 13th Tribe (Like Terra). That Ambrosia Production Facility on Proteus was founded by Colonials from Aerilon (Aeries in the show). Many of these Outposts were likely founded by shipwrecked Colonials during the Thousand Yahren War.
Richard Ched IIRC, Proteus Prison was set up before the war. Once fighting started, contact was lost, and the colonies seem to have mostly forgotten they even existed. Starbuck said, "they probably thought you were destroyed early in the war." Likewse, Antilla - the planet with the kids - was started (according to the book) by basically space amish. Folks from one of the colonies that wanted a low-tech existence. I dunno about the other human worlds they found, but i'd assume they were colonies of the colonies or separatists, or, yeah, shipwrecked folk would work too. Interesting idea.
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Fun fact, Valkyrie had launch tubes, but they did not launch towards the side but along the keel/longitudinal axis below the flight decks.
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Dumb question, but...
What would Refugee Fleet do with captured Basestars?
I felt so legitimately sad when the Galactica made its last FTL jump and buckled, like I felt that pain in my chest of seeing an animal or friend hurt. We always hope she’ll pull through, and she always did, but that moment was...ouch. Just a ship, but a friend, protector, and safe haven
She carried them home. Took them as far as they needed.
Watching the scene....... that ripple buckle looked like she shattered her spine, I am still reeling from her final landing from her final jump...... it wrecked me. She really was a character in her own right as well as being a set. Even without the Cylon patches she was a living and lived in being.
There’s never been another show where every hit, every bit of damage over time was tracked for several years. By the time the last ep rolled the old girl had engaged a dozen base stars, taken down a couple, been hit by nukes, raiders, missiles, jumped through stars, been dropped into atmosphere to free fall, and then been hammered by 4 basestars for like fifteen minutes….
And even after her spine broke, she still flew.
The old girls is hands down the toughest ship I’ve ever seen depicted on screen. Just like the Admiral, she was a tough old bird
Giving a tactical review of the series had they kept the Pegasus would be amazing. Please do.
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Agreed.
Seems like beating a dead horse to me...
But you know what? fuck that horse, beat it into the dirt!
Yes, please. I know it's named BSG, but changing over to the Peg would've been a *huge* upgrade in-story.
A dive into a 'Pegasus Timeline' would be fun.
I imagine it'll rank up there with the 'New Caprica Timeline' proposal made a while back for 'BSG shows we didn't get but want now that we know of the possibilities'.
Interesting notes:
1. While Pegasus was bigger than Galactica, a lot of the interior space of Pegasus was taken up with machines/automation. A kind of a mobile factory.
2. Galactica on the other hand is almost completely manual, and packed to the brim with weapons, and anti-air cannons. Galactica was essentially a hedgehog. When Pegasus was destroyed (and the Pegasus crew transferred to Galactica), Galactica finally reached the amount of crew necessary to operate at wartime levels.
2. Pegasus was very undermanned, and that's why the halls were nearly empty in the shots. They lost so many crew since the first Cylon attack, that you could go your whole day without talking to anyone.
3. Rear Admiral Cain achieved her position mostly through connections, and family legacy. However, most of the top admirals didn't want her in any position of "real power", so they assigned her to Pegasus - a very expensive, limited newly-produced prototype class. She had prestige, but no real power.
4. Admiral Cain was defeated in several war games by inferior battlestars but with superior commanders. Cain was noted for being stubborn, too by the book, and in-flexible in her combat tactics.
5. While the Mercury-class battlestars (Pegasus) were the newest design of battlestar, they were considered bloated, and extremely expensive to make. It was considered an experimental testbed to test new technologies such a mobile viper factory, more automation, etc. The class had an extremely limited run, and was mostly for show instead of military might. There was no way they could afford to mass produce the Mercury-class in large numbers.
6. Most of the Colonial fleet consisted of small Valkyrie-class and some refitted Jupiter-class (galactica-type) battlestars. The Valkyrie-class was the smallest, but was the cheapest to make battlestar. Due to it's small size, it was considered a "light-battlestar" or even sometimes a "diet-battlestar".
-Source: BSG Novels and Comics (as to how accurate they are, we can only speculate... sadly).
Compare that to original series' Commander Cain, a legend in his life time, a good friend of Adama, war veteran that kept his crew alive and ship intact without supporting fleet for repairs and manpower and still went on attacks against Cylons.
The real oddity is that Admiral Adama didnt take command of the Pegasus as his flagship, for the Mercury-class Battlestar was fár more advanced and more powerful then the more outdated Jupiter-class: Galactica. Surely the most experienced Commander would pick that as his flagship, and not send his inexperienced CAG, his SON even, to command a vessel só incredibly vital to the fleet! The Pegasus being terribly undermanned, wouldnt be an argument as the nearly fulyl automated Warship was operable with a crew of about 800, if i recall correctly, Cain lost a huge portion of her crew in the Ambush attack on the comm-station, but still had about twice that number! Pegasus was superior to Galactica in every way, raw firepower, support and strike craft, technological advancement and automated systems, twice the size, twice the Figherbays, Many dockingbays: This Warship was a command-centre and raptor-factory in space!... Why why did William Adama give the responsibility of something of SUCH importants, to such an inexperienced commander as Lee?
@@thegreenreaper6660 when we look at the 20th century there are historical cases of admirals deliberately not being on the most powerful ship in the fleet.
The most powerful ship need to be in the thick of the action. That also make the risk to the admiral and his staff greater and make it harder to control the fleet.
One example is Japanese admiral Kurita. He used a heavy cruiser (Atago) as his flagship before the battle of Leyte Gulf... despite his force having 5 battleships.. including the Yamato and the Musashi. The two largest battleships ever build.
In this case he got unlucky and the cruiser was sunk by a submarine before the battle... so he ended up transferring his flag to the Yamato...
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Regarding the other issue. Giving Lee the command is not that strange a decision. The pegasus is out of senior officers with CIC command experience. With Cain executing at least one, and a number of the being killed in combat or by other causes.
Also we do know that he gone true war college... exactly what that is is not 100% clear, but it do appear to be a senior training that far from all officers go true. So even if he is not experienced as a Battlestar captain it is clear that he do know the tactics of one. And have served as CAG for a good deal of time.
(also not doing so would require introducing yet another new character...)
But The admiral should not be commanding a ship at all.
He should have transferred his flag to the Pegasus and left the Galactica in the hands of his xo. (or some other officer with the needed experience from CIC)
And then he could keep an eye on the pegasus and focus on coordinating/commanding the fleet... not commanding the ship he is on.
When Nelson fought at Trafalgar, he did not command the Victory... It was captained by Thomas Hardy.
@@thomasbaagaard I do agree: the Admiral is in command of the FLEET! not just the biggest/most powerful vessel. Yet the Galactica was such a terribly outdated warship, and no compare to the MErcury-class 'behemoth sized' Pegasus, it doesnt make any sense for any capable admiral to nOT have the pegasus vást utility's and resources NOT at his direct command and disposal! The Pegasus was too important a ship for that! He should have assigned Saul Tigh as Commander of the Galactica, his son Lee as cáptain of the Pegasus, where he, as Admiral would oversee that: 'groom Lee for Command', idk, transfer him over to Galactica fro mtime to time to let Saul 'grill and drill him' a bit too; teach Lee some cold hard discipline etc..
But getting the Pegasus to an operable crewnumber to get it fuly up and functional, should have been a main priority for Bill Adama. the Pegasus would éat Basestars for breakfast!
@@thegreenreaper6660 another obvious question, if the pegasus was so understaffed... is why not transfer Galatica crew to it?
Basically how to you get the most bang for the fewest number of crew?
Look. Lee Adama had to set a tradition.
1. Gets a new Fighter - Loses the Fighter
2. Gets a Battlestar - Loses a Battlestar
3. Gets put in charge of a fleet - Loses a Fleet.
Lee(roy) "Jenkins" Adama.
Damn. That hurt Lee more than Starbuck's literal "Fade away" rejection.
@The American Dodo and.... The Olympic Carrier
Hey he got married and lost his wife to
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At 10:17 you can see the launch tubes under the Valkyrie's flight pods. They are facing forwards instead of the side. Most likely due to the smaller size, they need to be that way to get the acceleration.
I've seen rear angles that look like it has 6 more rearward tubes, for a total of 12. Definitely has 6 Forward.
I read somewhere that each tube has three elevators in it at different positions for quicker launches, basically allowing 9 Vipers to launch from each pod at once. Anyone else see anything about that?
Nah, it only has 6, I did my research because I recreated the ship in Avorion.
oh god, same discussion as when Lore Reloaded did his Battlestar listing. If I recall correctly, all canon media reports no launch tubes at all, even while it visually seems to show something like it.
@@Tuning3434 BattlestarWikiClone sais it has 6 launch tubes
I read somewhere that when Moore was building the series with Scifi channel they told him that the Galactica could not look like the original TV version. To get around this he invented the flight pod retraction. He showed executives 2d blueprints of the Galactica with the pods tucked in and they didn't recognize it and so approved the design.
What a genius he is I recognized his early works in Star Trek his episodes were always top knotch
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Love the support you give Deadlock. It is such a great game. The base game on its own does feel a little incomplete and all too brief but with the DLC it reaches near perfection. Nothing beats the feeling of getting the Artemis for the first time in game. And then it's a game changer again every time you get a new class of ship, including the other two Battlestars. They are so well balanced that they can deal out the damage and take out Cylons left right and centre if you give them the support they need but if the enemy starts to gang up on one then you can quickly find yourself in trouble with only a couple of turns to deal with the situation. And when you lose one you feel that loss deeply, cos yeah you may even go on to win the battle with your other ships but it cost you a freaking Battlestar.
The loss of the Pegasus gives more credence to the rule of never give lawyers command. They will screw it up.
I really hated Lee Adama character. He was like a boy playing soldier the entire series.
@@dantruong2582 yup. Pretty petulant. Not a good character.
@@michaelmorrill4902 agreed, but then I thought most of the characters on the show were awful
@@michaelmorrill4902 a bullet in Lee's skull. that would make sense.
Lee crashed everything he was given... he takes his dad's Viper and crashes it ..he takes the BlackBird and crashes it.. he takes command of Pegasus and crashes her.. finally he takes command of the entire fleet by being president and he crashes the entire fleet into the sun (his idea)..
Love Galactica, she is the ultimate under dog, out numbered by a significantly more numerous and advanced enemy, through the skill and dedication of her crew and commander, she somehow manages to survive and move forward.
Advanced? How are Cylon Basestars more advanced? They're basically strategic bombers, completly useless in ship to ship combat.
@@TheArklyte Basestars had lower cycle times on their FTL, they carried significantly more fighters that had faster launch times, and all of those missiles were meant to try and overwhelm a battlestar's point defense system, the Cylons could also build them rapidly and in great numbers, ship systems and electronics were superior in almost every way to colonial equivalents, and if memory serves the Cylons had more advanced Dradis arrays and targeting software, allowing them to better track their enemy.
The Mercury Class Battlestar is gorgeous! I would love to see more of it on screen. I was so pissed when it was wasted by a suicide run.
Same, seeing humanities greatest hope wasted like that still makes me salty.
I agree she was a beautiful warship with everything that the colonial fleet needed what a waste.
@Dan Ness I mean, there's ''The 100'' that is already down to like 95 by the end of the first episode lol
I bet the guy who played Lee's character can barely show his face at Comic Con. Every five minutes someone would come up yelling, "WHY HELL DID YOU WASTE PEGASUS, YOU IDIOT?!!"
The Mercury class isn't just a Battlestar. It's a Dreadnought. That's why I love it so much. So powerful and beautiful
The Osiris was also referred to as a "Flying class Assault Ship" in a deleted scene. It was described as being an old design retired decades before the Cylon War and recommissioned to fight the Cylons.
Love your dedication to the BSG lore. Great job as always. Spacedock really does a good job.
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I'd let Kara Thrace break my back lol
@@charleshemphill6923 hilarious :/.
It's a terrible day for rain, brother...
Yessss MORE BSG !!!! Also Valkyrie has launch tubes . 6 going down the length of the flight pods . Although having a hanger deck in-between these tubes and the flight deck doesn't actually make physical sense if u look at the sizing of the vipers shown in multiple shots from the show. But then again who cares shes gorgeous
To bad some idiot wasted it
i saw people making blueprints and size analisis in forums and yes a hangar deck fits between the flight deck and the launch tubes.. barelly but fits.. renember that in B&C they even use a frakin normal hangar as the main flight deck for Vipers and a Raptor
@@sparrowlt i know they use the flight deck for shuttles to park but not sure about fighters . we may have seen them falling out at scorpia but they could be because it was in dry dock . but yea fair enough
@@Husker5454 Raptor might had to use the main landing deck.. however some people pointed out the launch tubes could be bigger so they fit Raptors...
Oh hi Husker, {sarcastically} surprised to see you here.
Love the Battlestar stuff. Can't wait for the Sojourn episodes.
Same, can't wait!
What Sojourn episodes? News to me
@@travisbutton7527 OH! You haven't heard? Spacedock is making their own web comic series called Sojourn! You can probably find some details on their channel
"2200, main battery has a firing solution" *cylon music stops*
*whispers*
fire..
If spacedock or slitherine are reading this, just know that I bought Deadlock because of these videos and I absolutely love it.
Battlestar Galactica and Halo ship aesthetics are my absolute favourite for utilitarian Human ship design in soft sci-fi. The meaty hull plating and powerful profiles are so inspiring when compared to more curvy and flimsy designs from Star Wars and Star Trek.
I agree. They have a much more "battleship" and "warship" aesthetic than star wars or star trek. Some of the ships from The Expanse give off that same vibe.
Battlestar and Babylon 5 'human' ships are just great aesthetics :-)
10:00 the Valkyrie has launch tubes, they’re just forward facing, check the bottom of the flight pods, three on each side. It’s also possible that, given the length of the tubes, each may fire more than one viper.
Artemis Class- Galactica's original class from classic show. (Also featured in BSG Deadlock)
Jupiter Class- Original 12-ship class from remake series' First Cylon War. (Galactica the first of class served as Caprica's Flagship during First Cylon War; due for decommision after conflict; re-comissioned for service as the last battlestar survived the Fall/ Second Cylon War.)
Minerva Class- light predecessor of Mercury-class battlestars. (Viewed BSG Deadlock.)
Valkyrie Class- Compact/peacetime-interim war class battlestar. (Primary class in Colonial Fleet by time of the Fall; entire loss of class by Cylon Holocaust. )
Sobek-Class- Escort carrier-type battlestar (Theseus one of class viewed in Diasapora Shattered Armistice.; class sabotaged/destroyed by the Fall. )
Orion Class- Submarine-like "pocket" class battlestar. (Osiris one of class viewed in Blood and Chrome. Heavy loss of class including Osiris during First Cylon War; after-conflict
survivors of class destroyed by the Fall.)
Mercury Class-Large class dwarfing Jupiter-Class battlestars (Pegasus the only survivor of class in remake series; survives the Fall via emergency blind-jump; Conflicts the following Second Cylon War up to Battle of New Caprica; Eventually finds remaining fleet led by Galactica 6 months after the Fall.)
The educational Battlestar: Battlestar Grammatica.
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Honestly me too.
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The Minvera-class sounds word-for-word like a battlecruiser
And Orion is a cruiser submarine. Galactica is WWII battleship, Pegasus is Cold War superheavy nuclear missile cruiser. In terms of analogies to real world, I mean:D
They lack battleships and nuclear cruisers in the series apart from whatever is strapped on top of carriers:(
@@TheArklyte they have dedicated escort ships.. like the Berzerk (or whatever) class battlecruiser..wich is pretty large.. you can see one parked right next to Pegasus in the Scorpia fleet yards
@@sparrowlt And the Cygnus, which can also be seen at Scorpia, pocket vessel used as an artillery platform with a slim profile to jump in, deal loads of damage, and jump back out, has very little hangar space, and not a lot of flak, so its a hit and run ship.
Carrier-Battlecruiser hybrid
TheArklyte Galáctica and Pegasus are Carrier-Battlesip hybrids with an strong focus on que carrier part. Yes, they have heavy gunnery, missiles and tons of armour but the main weapons of that classes are the fighter wings (around a hundred vipers por Júpiter class and a lot more for Mercury). Remember that battlestar Galáctica Deadlock ships are canon and they have 2 excellent missile cruisers. The ranger class (excellent for conventional missiles but able to use nuclear ordinance too) and the Janus class (and extremely armoured design with a lot of missile racks that was designed before the first cylon war with nuclear missile ordinance in mind)
Best description I ever heard for the Valkyries and the Galactica. The Galactica was a improved 1980 era Iowa Battleship while the Valkyries were AEGIS Cruisers. You build a lot of Aegis ships and use them en masse or to cruise alone to show the flag. But when it comes down to it, the you only need one Iowa/Galactica when the chips are down.
Then you get the Mercurys, which would be like a modern Gerald Ford Aircraft Carrier. You don't need the old warhorse like a Galactica when you have that, but you would need those Aegis /Valkyries to escort that larger ship.
I would love to see a true reboot of the series, where other smaller warships had survived. Like a small patrol group with a Valkyrie a couple cruisers and a few other smaller ships. I think they have the best combat scifi ships of any show or movie.
I wept when they told me GALACTICA “broke her back...she’ll never jump again.” RIP GALACTICA.
I hope that I'm not the only one waiting for more videos of the Ionian Nebula or the Colony with the Pegasus if she survived. Also as a suggestion, if you decided to make a few What it's where the Valkyrie survived the attack of the colonies and helped the Galactica, I would definitely see those concepts.
Right after the reimagined series ended I started writing a fan story called "BSG 88" about a small fleet that was sent out to investigate a mysterious signal in Cylon space. They find earth, which is a ruin but hidden inside an asteroid is a large (massive) 'battlestar'. They get it running and... well, anyway... maybe I will finish it someday... this fleet has 2 Mercury Class Battlestars that are freshly completed.
The Pegasus was a beautiful and wonderful thing, my favorite starship ever.
if i remember correctly we find out that the jupiter class battlestars were actually rushed in production and the constructors and designers ''cut corners'' as Adama himself puts it, being one of the reasons her bulkhead was buckling and bending.
always thought the Osiris class looked like a submarine that learned to fly in space myself. I mean it's got a sort of "Conning tower" and everything. that and from the rear it very much looks like a modern nuclear-submarine's hull form: blunt bow, long, broad, flat middle, narrowing toward the stern with engines and even what looks like vertical rudders and diving planes.
Very comprehensive. My only note would be that the Valkyrie has 3 forward facing launch tubes beneath each flight pod. If you happen to have a model of one they're quite prominent but weren't very visible on screen tbf.
I like the Valkyrie class the most, just needs a little more hull plating and its complete.
Fantastic remake of a much loved show. This one is darker and probably more realistic. The acting was pretty impressive from a great acting talent. I loved it.
I've been waiting for this!! Awesome video!!
I'd like to see videos about Peggy and, mb, other ships' survival. Or even "what if more battlestars survived".
People say a lot of times Battlestar's weren't that tough. But that makes me aways go back to the scene when Galactica got hit directly by a nuke and all it did was shake it a little. Things were built like flying fortresses, taking incredible punishment and still able to keep going. Even the last jump to 'earth' it still got them there.
OMG, you just said what I have always been thinking in that Lee Adama wasted his ship when he had it destroyed during the battle of New Caprica! Please make a video of that failure and of how that ship could have been used
@Spacedock, I’m so glad you advocated so heavily for modern BSG ships to be added to Deadlock because I just saw planned release content that’ll contain the Mercury and the Valkyrie class Battlestars! I’m so excited 😆
I love the Mercury Class a perfect Battlestar it had manufacturing capabilities and awesome firepower.
Like any good successor. The Pegasus was both larger (More durable), more advanced (Automated Gun Batteries), Self Sufficient (Onboard Manufacturing Facilities), and more powerful (Larger Guns placed in more strategically sound areas). Unfortunately it was the victim of plot...... And it's Network would be a liability (Luckily the vessel could operate without the Network).
I've said it in the deadlock discord a few times, but I think you might like this idea Spacedock. I conemplates the idea of if Cain had ended up being a Cylon (With a character arc of her having to come to terms with this), resurrected when she died, Pegasus would still be "Lost" in the new caprica arc however we never directly see it destroyed we just see it go down fighting, and instead of the rebel baseship, Cain had retaken Pegasus from orbit of New Caprica and used it to lead the Cylon Rebellion ultimately sacrificing herself and her ship in the Colony battle to allow Galactica to escape. That explanation is an incredibly short one of what I would have had happen but you could get the picture from it. You'd have 2 arcs, Boomer vs Cain, where Boomer sides with the Cylons but Cain realizes in a character arc of growth that revenge isn't the only thing, and she has the power to create the peace she so desperately seemed to want to achieve via revenge but now she chooses to achieve it so cylons and humanity can live together. It's an idea. If you wanna do something with the idea in any sort of theoretical scenario videos go right ahead, I'm in no position to use the idea lol.
I found it odd how tough the Galactica was in the show, until the last season, where Chief and Adama were talking about how the Colonial shipyards cut some corners when constructing her near the end of the first war.
You know a ship is designed sturdy when corners were cut in construction and armor plating was removed before the start of the 2nd war.
Yeah, if Big G had actually been completed to spec, can you believe how (even more) ridiculously OP it would be?
Metal fatigue caught up with her
In episode 1 or 2 of the new series, when Roslin is talking with the president, out the window the Firefly from "Firefly Series" flies through the scene.
I love the realism and practicality of the ships in battlestar galactica.
Not entirely realistic, Battlestar Galactica still use the same artificial gravity technobabble, unlike the Expanse where they explain how the ship got gravity
I remember a time where trying to find any kinda lore or any BSG related topics was so hard and rare to find back in the day, that I just gave up completely and now I wish I didn’t, because there’s so much shit on it now and I just love it, even if the video is like 2-3 years old, which seams to be the average start time for most of these videos. That’s how long I have up trying to find anything on here BSG related. But what’s been bugging me for years now, is why the colonial fleet was so clustered by the time of the 2nd cylon war? You would think they would be spread out more, but in the 2000s reboot, it looks like they were more planet based and defensive, rather than a offensive positions like our own navy forces today, with fleets more spread out and ready to attack at any given moment. I feel like they did this on purpose, to help play the whole “the last bit of humanity left” storyline. It’s just one of those annoying things in BSG that was never well explained, at least from what I researched, but that was years ago and I mean years lmao 🤣. Great an example of lack of information in the show, is the entirety of season 4. It gets very confusing and it’s one of those shows where if you miss even a second, you can be guessing to what’s going on for the rest of the season. That’s like the only problem I ever had with them, well that and never finishing caprica because I thought that show really helped to give the audience a chance to look at colonial society before the cyclone creation. I think that was pretty cool tbh, trying to explain the sins of man and why we always have to start over again. Other than that, I loved the reboot, I especially loved how they brought back the original Starbucks actor but as another role. They paid a lot of homage to the original.
Reason for the destruction of the Pegasus was because the show budget would not continue to support two separate sets (Galactica CIC and Pegasus CIC for example) and the show is the Battlestar Galactica, not Battlestar Pegasus. The whole battle at new caprica would have been different as both ships would have been in the fight, with the Galactica doing her air drop stunt, and the Pegasus providing top cover for escaping ships. Blame Universal for budget cuts.
And of course they needed room for the Cylon basestar sets.
The fact that it took 70+ years of degradation, a nuke, heavy damage, multiple bombings, atmospheric entry, a ramming maneuver, etc to finally break the ship just shows how good it was
despite the builders cutting corners.
The mercury wasn't even the newest class in the books. They had mercury 2s and even newer ship's than those. They didn't exist in the shows though. There is also warstars and gunstars escort ships
Pretty cool someone took the time to do this, did a great job by the way! Great series that deserves more attention imho.
It's a shame that we never got to see the Valkyries in combat against the Cylons. The idea of videos about the Pegasus sounds really cool.
I never understood the turn the series took when Lee sacrificed the Pegasus in a suicide ramming run, when they were winning and outgunned the remaining cylon ships with this beast. It sums up the end of the show in terms of the stupidity of the writers of the series which had otherwise been so so good. I hope theres some spin off where another Mercury class survives with a ragtag group of people who arent morons and can actually properly use the resources they have. Nice video summaries of this class of ships which have given so much to the sci fi genre over the last 30 plus years, thanks.
Battlestar Galactica is one of the most underrated TV series of all time.
gold 818 my dad started watching it with me and will always tell me how sometimes he’s at the edge of his seat bout to scream at the tv because of some of the stuff that happens in it lol
In what way is it underrated? A show isn't underrated it it is found on every top ten list of best sci fi shows, everywhere.
@@imkluu I'll admit it has gained popularity later on because of streaming services but Battlestar Galactica still has a way to go before it is as known as The Walking Dead, Game Of Thrones, Star Wars, Star Trek and Stranger Things.
It's massively acclaimed and got a ton of attention while it was airing.
The show is absolute garbage. So many plot holes and inconsistencies to even start to list. One of the most disappointing shows ever.
just to let you know for the Valkyrie you can see the lunch tubes are mounted under the flight deck in the forward orinetation, you can just barly make them out in the first image shown but they are there.
Good video, but you missed some stuff..
They also modified the flight pods on the Artemis.
The flight pods on the Jupiter needing to retract pre-jump was a structural integrity thing. As demonstrated in the final episode, when you jump without retracting the pods, the ship flexes in a way that causes considerable damage. Now, it can be argued that a first war-era Jupiter may have been able to get away with a couple of jumps with it's pods out, because it's main "spine" was stronger, due to having less age on it (galactica was old, and microfractures in the supports were identified in another episode, lending to decreased structural integrity), but it's doubtful that even a factory-fresh Jupiter could survive more than a handful of jumps in this configuration.
The Mercury-Class, on the other hand, was ALL structure... just looking at it, you get the sense that it is WAY more solid of a ship... If the Jupiter is a Sabre, then the Mercury is a fucking Claymore.
Minervas and Orions were referred to by Colonial Fleet personnel as "Pocket Battlestars", due to their size, and considerably deficient robustness, when compared to their bigger siblings like the Jupiter, Mercury, and Artemis.
The Valkerie's Viper launch tubes are forward-facing, and are located on the underside of the flight pod, with 3 launch tubes per flight pod.
Also, what the actual fuck is wrong with youtube's comment system lately? Double, triple, and quadruple-posting the same comment, and adding additional blank lines between paragraphs... and edit errors that eat your entire comment... Man, they need to get their shit together..
I know this is a very late addition to the comments, but I'd suggest that the reason for the Jupiter class having to retract its pods is not structural but to minimise the size of the FTL field generated.
If I recall correctly, it was the largest battlestar ever built (at the time of its construction) and would, probably, have had to make some serious compromises in its design.
I'd actually like to see a complete battle history of the First Cylon War on Spacedock.
Yes please.
I like to think the reason the Jupiter's retract their flight pods is not structural (since the ship is clearly very structurally strong) but because the jump drives at the time of her launch could not create a stable jump effect for a ship of her size. So for a stable jump field to form her profile had to be reduced. Hence why when Galactica jumps with her flight pods extended, the jump field would be unstable or uneven. We see in the series just how destructive a jump field can be when a raptor jumps in close proximity to Galactica. The damage looked worse than a nuclear detonation basically ripping through the armoured hull like paper. So when Galactica jumps within an unstable field it causes irreparable damage due to uneven field strength being applied to different areas of the ship.
I say if there’s any new show that comes out it should cover the first war and not be a reboot of the main series. Do a series that can add more amazing history and lore to build upon the 2nd war.
10:08 - you can see the launch tubes under the flight pods - they're Viper-shaped.
Love battlestar Galactica but the classic series will always be my no 1
Simon Willis got to love the classics
There's the Viper Launch Tubes on the Valkyrie. They're below the Flight Deck. You can just make them out if you look close enough to see the vague Viper shape.
Can you do All cylon basestars models from the first / second cylon war .
2:49 it is actually NOT the last Jupiter-class Battlestar in service by the time of the outbreak of the Second Cylon war. It's the last non-upgraded Jupiter-class Battlestar in service. The rest had been either modernized with equipment to keep up with the Mercury-class, or straight away decommissioned and scuttled for parts and materials. We can see some Jupiter-class Battlestars docked at the Scorpia shipyards in "Razor", before the destruction of the Shipyards that Pegasus escaped.
Don't forget one over Caprica during the mini-series.
Gods dammit, Lee.
In Deadlock the Orion isn't even classified as a battlestar, it's a stealth frigate. That makes more sense imo as it doesn't share the same general form factor or intended purpose as the rest of the battlestar classes.
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I figured Galactica's flight pods retract prior to FTL was because it looks good on camera. Same reason Voyager's nacelles move or Discovery's saucer flip. It just looks cool.
Fackin' love the Jupiter class!
You want guns? You want even MORE guns?! Here's your frakkin' guns!
My personal favorite is the Orion Class. It does an amazing job at capturing the kind of claustrophobic atmosphere I imagine a stealth submarine or something like that would have. Because that's exactly what it is and I love it.
Another amazing video (as always!) many thanks Spacedock
I loved the way you guys explained the Battlestars and the classes but I think that the number one slot should have gone to the Prometheus class Battlestars which were built in secret by 3 of the colonial worlds and only 3 of the Battlestars were ever finished. How ever you guys are great and keep up the good work you do I'm a huge fan.
And yes I forgot about Battlestar lillith
Pegasus exist
Writers: I'm about to end this ship career
Give it to Lee, he fracks up everything.
Lee Adama: I got my first Battlestar Command.
Also Lee Adama: Im gonna end my whole career.
Lol, you can't blow up the _Galactica_; it's on the opening titles
@@ifly6 just rename the Pegasus Galactica in honor of it's sacrifice
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 *Defiant maneuver*
I have a theory on why the Jupiter class had retractable flight pods, the cost of construction. If you think about it the flight pods could be a design flaw since in order for you to jump they much be retracted lest you suffer structural damage, which also means that you also need to finish recalling all of your fighters before you can start retracting them, unless the pilots are aces like Starbuck. The only reason to have this quark is to offset something else like cost, maybe since the Jupiter class was being designed and produced during the First Cylon War the designers need to reduce the cost of materials and construction time so that more battlestars could be produced.
Daniel I know you love specialized ships, so are there any *pure battleships* in BSG?
Just heavy, heavy armour, heavy guns to take out Basestars in one salvo and point defense (plus maybe interceptor missiles) to keep raiders off its back and take out incoming ordinance.
Plus some launch tubes, loaded with nukes of course.
No fighters, no flight pods. Just slabs of armour on a basic robust frame.
Without the need to support fighters and fighter jocks it could be a much simpler design and be logistically cheaper, a good ship to fill out a fleet. In a battle it charges the Basestars a bit like Pegasus did, but hopefully not so outnumbered and with better support from other ships.
In _that_ battle Pegasus actually was that style of ship, just not optimised for it - it had no fighters. Now imagine if it was optimised, no long term facilities, instead all firepower and damage soaks (flight pods are a weak spot). Although you'd use a smaller frame as such a ship couldn't sustain operations in its own, except as a hit and _gun_ raider.
It would make sense in the first Cylon war, as a cheaper design based on an existing frame that just eats the Basestars while the true Battlestars take out the fighters, because otherwise Cylon raiders would eat it without fighter screens.
A light Battlestar with more direct firepower and toughness than a heavy Battlestar. But if it was the last hope for humanity, humanity is screwed because it's not designed for long term missions on its own.
I heard you mention frigates from Dead Lock, anything that qualifies?
And if not, why not try your hand at designing something along these lines as a what if?
The Minotaur class Gunship is a good example. One of my mainstay support ships in Deadlock. No fighters, but does have light guns similar to those on Galactica's flight pods to cut down Raiders. Plenty of armor, but still maneuverable. It's biggest vulnerability is guided munitions, as it has neither flak nor fighters to intercept incoming missiles or nukes. Best as part of a fleet where you can assign a squadron of Vipers from a Battlestar (or Adamant class Frigate) to deal with fighters & missiles, but let the Minotaur slaughter any Cylon capital ship that gets too close.
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Janus class Heavy Cruiser. Lots of heavy armor. With an assload of heavy guns fixed around its broadsides and prow. Pretty much a textbook battleship.
Three ships are Colonial gunboats. Minotaur class. More like a cruiser than a battleship, however.
Janus Class. Heavy Cruiser, with some emphasis on missiles over guns, but with slow reload of 4 turns to most ships 3 turn. The Janus big guns are on the bottom. Paired with Battlestars who have top guns you stack your fleet with Janus up top, and Battlestar below to avoid collisions, and get good use of the guns.
The True All Gun Battleship of the Colonial Fleet is the Heracles. It has lots of heavy turrets, lots of little defensive light guns, but no medium armament of any kind, including fighters or missiles. It can even fire flak fields like a Battlestar. Its just a big ship with big guns.
All the smaller Battlestar types make sense. The Jupiter would have been expensive and resource intensive to build. So the Colonial Fleet would have used those as the flagship carriers, and built a battle group around those. Just like how the U.S. Navy has carrier battle groups, that revolve around the Nimitz carrier, and new Gerald Ford class carrier.
when the galatica made her final jump at the end of the series i was crying , so yes they did their job
Same. As he said, the ship had become a beloved character all its own and we were watching that beloved character be sacrificed to deliver the others safety.
That groan she gave as the flight pods wobbled and the keel broke...
The last time Galactica jumped she did with the flight pods extended, and on top of all the damage suffered, that was probably what made the ship twist and bend like it did and break her spinal structure alltogether.
Those of you saying the Pegasus was too valuable to lose in a suicide run are forgetting the one thing more valuable than a state of the art battlestar in their situation - the crew. Almost any situation where the two ships attempt to take on four full power basestars without enough fighters to even fly CAP, let alone mount an assault on a vastly superior force, would only ever result in the loss of both battlestars. Most significant battles we’ve seen on Galactica show on-the-fly repairs being made with damage control doing their jobs, what happens in a prolonged battle where there aren’t nearly enough crew to triage the ship?
Remember that the objective was never to beat the base stars, it was merely to give them a more tempting target to chase after than all those vulnerable civilian ships taking off with only light Viper cover. Funnily enough the reason Galactica probably survived that battle as long as it did is because there was only itself in the battle at the start - had two Battlestars actually jumped in after the drones distraction I very much doubt the base ships would have attacked without regrouping all their raiders first.
Pegasus’ surprise attack only worked because all focus was on taking out the Galactica, but even that only destroyed one base ship and made it three full powered base ships with four full complements of raiders against two utterly undermanned battlestars with few to no vipers. Neither ship was in any position for a drawn out battle and ultimately Lee’s suicide run saved the crew of the Galactica while taking advantage of the Pegasus being able to be crewed by an absolute bare minimum of personnel.
I’m not saying Lee’s use of the Pegasus was the greatest tactical decision, but when you consider he saved the crews of both ships while dealing enough catastrophic damage to the Cylon forces that it allowed the complete evacuation of New Caprica, you can’t really reduce that accomplishment down to a net negative because of the loss of hardware. The fleet’s main objective was to survive and escape, not to be the most tactically effective fighting force it was capable of.
That reads like a solid defence of the tactics uses; and a good perspective: the goal wasn't to win the battle, but to live to survive the war, as had been the goal really since the end of the miniseries.
Beautifully written :)
I never liked the term "Second Cylon War" as it was more of a massacre/evacuation scenario. It wouldn't matter how many Basestars were taken out as they could resurrect. The Colonial Rag-Tag Fugitive Fleet never needed the Pegasus (If they never found Pegasus or New Caprica, the series would have been very different going forward). The Galactica was all they ever needed. Pegasus was a gift.
I'm with you on the waste of Pegasus during the exodus. They should have made their plans to have Pegasus in the fight from the start instead of relying on a mission that had a very low probability of success. If they had made a plan with both ships, it's entirely possible that both ships make it out. I realize they needed to move the plot forward, which means that the Pegasus has to be destroyed. The only reason they were able to go to the colony is that they were abandoning Galactica, so why not go out in a bang? If Pegasus was still around, I'm not sure the rescue mission even happens. I think that Adama wanted the mission because he couldn't stomach just abandoning Galactica and thought that if the ship is going down, it's going down fighting. He was clearly attached to the ship. If Pegasus is still there, though, this decision isn't as easy to make. He can still protect the fleet with the Pegasus. It was really now or never when Galactica was on its last leg. I love BSG
Definitely would enjoy a video showing how the Pegasus could have made a difference if Lee Adama didn't throw it away
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lee adama was liberal democrat
@@jacobbrown1690 no he was probably Republicans cuz only Republicans think of an unlimited military budget so they don't care about resources as long as they can spend whatever they want on the military and now with everything else
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I'm independent at best. I dislike both the right and left. But what you're saying is dumb. Republicans think they have unlimited resources? That's not the reason why Trump wants to pull US troops from places around the world right? Or why he criticized the F-35 program because it was expensive.
Ronald Reagan was a Republican. He brought back battleships.
Republicans are more military friendly and thoughtful FROM what I've seen. Leftists hate the military and do no good for it. They would rather impose identity politics like inclusion and diversity rather than stay realistic. China and Russia will defeat us if we stay this path.
@@HumanPhilosopherPatriot that's the problem with you you think that you have to have a r by your name to appreciate the military my family happens to be Democrats but we've served in the military since World War II we're just not in favor of forever Wars and stupid Wars you have kids now going the same Patrol routes in Afghanistan as their parents Republicans usually like War for war sake and the people who hid Rich are the contractors I believe it was President Eisenhower who said Beware of the military-industrial complex Republicans generally miss the whole point of that statement. Our military budget is outrageous what is the use of having the strongest military in the world if you have no money left to spend on domestic policy and programs and your home country is turning into a shithole because Republicans say we don't have any money for infrastructure improving our own roads in schools to make this country a better place. If you've ever bothered to travel overseas most other major countries airports they have bullet trains their infrastructure is a lot better than ours. Nobody is for dismantling our military but we definitely need to have better policies and a balance between what we spend on the military and what we spend on domestic programs. I'm so sick and tired of Republicans thinking that they have a god-given right to the military and patriotism when my family along with others who did not pull the lever for Republicans have served with distinction and honor so please cut that bulshit out about if you're not a republican you can't be patriotic
A normal battlestar is like a carrier and a battleship in one,
but battlestars like the minervas and valkyries is more like a carrier and a battlecruiser (battleship grade guns but with less armour for more speed with )in one
(the battlecruisers was originally designed to destroy cruisers with the idea of destroy anything thay outgun, outrun anything that they can't)
this does go with the deployment of the dreadnoughts and the basic for the ww2 battleship and battlecruisers.
Just got my wife to sit through her first watch of BSG so I’m on a major BSG kick at the moment, can’t wait to get stuck into this!
Original or New Battlestar? The original was pretty good, especially considering when it was made
The reimagined series, it took me a decade to convince her to sit through this one, I don’t think I have enough life left to talk her into watching the original series lol
hahaha, I started watching the 2005 miniseries again yesterday, still a fantastic series!
@@enz025 Great series....but such a weak and pathetic ending...wait you mentioned the miniseries not the whole thing...nevermind
@@MrGoesBoom sure, the ending wasn't great, and the fourth(last?) series was a bit of a stretch, but overall I think it was still great.
Couldn't agree more with your thoughts on the Mercury Class. While the fleet definitely would have missed Adama if he had died as intended, but the Pegasus was just SO much more necessary than the Galactica. The Pegasus had more firepower, more/better fighters, the ability to build and train new fighters and pilots... it was everything the fleet needed to defend itself. Lee wasted that ship, and screwed the fleet in the process.
The Battlestars design is one of the best spaceships designs in all of sci-fi
Change my mind
I'd say having a spine-mounted massive naval artillery would make it even better, but I suppose that's more of a specialization. Other than that, Battlestars are fucking badass
Gunstar from The Last Starfighter. Star Fury from Babylon 5. They are functional designs. They look like they were by real engineers. These ones were designed by artists who gave no thought to how they would actually function. I look at these ones and ask myself how they get into the flight pods? They aren't large enough to move Vipers from one bay to the other, you'd have to put them out into space to move them. Look at the TOS-Galactica, she has the three supports along the top, plus she has one ventrally that would be used for moving Vipers from one bay to the other plus the shuttles.
TOS-Galactica call also put more Vipers into space more quickly than NU-Galatica. The one "inspired" by TOS-Galactica in this video looks like one that was drawn by someone who saw the TV show when they were a kid and got it mostly right. It uses the 1080 foot length that was one of the lengths that was posited as the length of TOS-Galactica. The actual length of TOS-Galactica was never on screen and there has been many numbers discussed. After looking at the shooting model and the TOS footage, I use the 1 nautical mile/1852 meter length. It fits quite well. TOS-Galactica has four 4-tube arrays for launching Vipers on each hangar nacelle. That's 32 Vipers into space in a single launch.
The falcon.
Yamato
Klingon bird of prey(movie version)
Serenity
All are memorable, I grew up watching all of these
I also have to add the TOS BSG ships, Buck Rogers ships. All made quite the impression on a young mind.
Serenity +1, Macross, TOS-Enterprise, Slave 1, X-wings, B-wings
Now, if you're talking about the original Galactica, then yes, the Battlestar is one of the best starship designs in all of sci-fi
Excellent video. I’d love to see the proposed analysis of later BSG battles with the inclusion of the Pegasus. That would be an awesome “what if...” to examine.
Okay people.
Was the Supremacy,
1. Able to be hyperspace rammed because a small part of it was always in hyperspace.
2. Able to be rammer because it was the only ship large enough to create a mass shadow.
These are the main explanations I've heard and I want to see which one people like better.
Only in universe explanations please, we all know it was in the movie just for a cool shot...
Porque no les dos.
Yes. I'd definitely be interested in hearing about how some of the later battles would've turned out, had Pegasus stuck around.
SiyraKitsune $10 says the surrendered basestar got blown to hell when they came to ask for help with their civil war
I never understood why they sacrificed the Pegasus the way they did.
The ship would have been so useful throughout the remainder of the show.
They did it because the showrunners wanted ratings. Did the episode air during sweeps? That's usually when those things happened. That and cliffhanger episodes.
Yeah it was one of those purely "writing" decisions that really made no sense in the context of the show. I know Bill Adama was old school and attached to Galactica, but he's really going to favor her over the far more advanced and powerful Pegasus - a ship capable of manufacturing new vipers and training new pilots, two things they're always counting down as they lose them - essentially choosing nostalgia over a ship much better prepared to help the remaining 40k or so humans in existence.
They did it because they wanted to run through the rest of the series as quickly as possible, keeping her around would give credence to a more drawn out series with more temptations of an off shoot series as well, like CAPRICA(😑). They needed to close down the series, it was dragging, and after season 3, it just started not to make much sense. The writers either were just bored or just gave up, because it really could have gone into a more stable timeline, instead, it got into the realm of political correctness. What a shame....
If the Valkyrie class was a late-war design that the Colonials were mass-producing, it makes some sense that it's still around for the 2nd Cylon war. It's likely that funding for brand new designs was lower post-war than during the war, with more of the government's funding going to civilian rebuilding. Probably cheaper to maintain and update a war-proven design than build large amounts of newer ships too. If the Mercury-class is the brand-new, top of the line stuff, they'd build a few to show off but not churn them out like the Valkyries :)
I was completely upset what Lee Adama did to battlestar Pegasus, he should of brought some support ship like the Astra Queen an others if Armed to help out, #Spacedock
I would have shot him for wasting such a valuable resource.
The show is "Battlestar Galactica", not "Any Battlestar". Everyone knew Pegasus's days were numbered ...
man I gotta get back into the bsg content in chronological order again.
I'll pay top dollar if Deadlock includes Mercury-class as a playable battlestar.
Cough it up then
In the Modern ships DLC
@@TheGamersfolly Only for skirmish, though. Sad.
Just so everyone knows, the music piece during the sponsor plug is titled "Skirmish 3" off of the Deadlock in mission music. Great piece
Regarding the Orion class missile defense pods, it reminds me of the real life defense system on various nations naval ships known as RAM (Rolling Airframe Missile).
I thought those were just Quad Point Defense Turrets.
@@richardched6085 Oh, having not watched it, the video description made it sound like a missile.
One thing about the Mercury, and I agree it's briliant and fits Adm. Cain beautifully, is that it's a design looking for trouble. This is not a defensive ship, it's designed to find the enemy far away from its home base. No wonder the Cylons attacked, they could see one was coming.
Yes, please do more BSG if Pegasus had survived
For those who want to play with a Mercury or Valkyrie battlestar in Deadlock, they added it for skirmish mode (maybe multiplayer? - don't play MP so don't know). The Mercury is interesting - it's battlestar artillery is on the front and bottom, not on top like the other battlestars, so it's most effective attack is from above its target. It's the beast that it should be.
Valkyrie is very quick, but only heavy guns, no battlestar artillery. Listed as a "support battlestar" in the codex. A fun "pest" ship for harassing a fleet until a Mercury can catch up and beat them down.
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Of course to simulate the Pegasus opening salvo when she arrived at the Battle of New Caprica and then also as its supposed to be descended from the Minerva class.
If the pegasus wasn't wasted the entire show would've been different..
Earth would've started up with technical advantages.
And their enemies mostly destroyed..
Especially being without the regen ship
Actually, the retraction of the flight pods on the Jupiter Class was an easter egg to the Galactica and her sister ships in the original tie-in novels where it was stated that the hangar pods retracted when not in use to allow the Galactica to move a t full speed and protect valuable systems (and personnel) within. A great shout out to a very little known fact about the original Galactica.
It's not really pertinent for this discussion, but i think it's interesting that in the original galactica, the ship was 500 years old. Basically, battlestars were such huge investments in time and resources that they were endlessly retrofitted. We don't even know what the "original" galactica looked like when it was new, but it's stated that it has changed a lot, with few if any original elements remaining.
Given that they never actually *said* that the galactica or any other ships went FTL, and given thatt he cylon war lasted 1000 years, and given that it and the pegasus seemed to have a family lineage command structure, i've often wondered in its extreme age may have implied battlestars were, to some extent, generation ships, sent off to operated on their own for decades or centuries at a time, or, if that's not the case by the time the series starts, it may have been the original concept. Just a thought.
I love this theory. I always thought that the Galactica was among the older generation of Battlestars (The Pegasus being a newer vessel of the same design). Galactica originally carried 6th Millennium Fighters (I call them Serpents) and Scorpions (The "Less Fancy" Fighters Tigh and Adama "Gave a good run"). It had several celestial towers placed throughout the vessel. It was probably Refitted around 40 to 45 Yahrens before the Battle of Cimtar. The Colonials probably built hundreds of Battlestars over the Thousand Yahren War (But by it's end they only had 6).
Advanced Construction methods would ensure that a Battlestar (With a Refit every century) could be used continuously. The only concern was whether it had enough Tylium Fuel to operate.
I think the Galactica went at "Light Speed" during it's journey to Terra. Tigh warned that Galactica hadn't made a Jump in 20 Yahrens (This would be duplicated in the Reimagined Miniseries).
@@richardched6085 Terminology and science are so wildly inconsistent in the original BSG that it's really hard to know what they're talking about a lot of the time. However I tend to think "Light Speed" simply meant the speed of light, and no faster.
That means the fleet was generally traveling slower-than-light, and Larson and the writers probably just didn't understand how slow that is and how far apart stars are.
Just the same, I *love* the idea that nobody was going FTL, and part of the reason the war lasted a thousand years was because it was a Joe Halderman "Forever War" kind of situation. That's one hell of a retcon on my part, though.
@@mahatmarandy5977 Makes sense. Since the Colonials had Outposts far beyond even Kobol. It was only towards the end of the series that Galactica encountered Colonies of the 13th Tribe (Like Terra).
That Ambrosia Production Facility on Proteus was founded by Colonials from Aerilon (Aeries in the show). Many of these Outposts were likely founded by shipwrecked Colonials during the Thousand Yahren War.
Richard Ched IIRC, Proteus Prison was set up before the war. Once fighting started, contact was lost, and the colonies seem to have mostly forgotten they even existed. Starbuck said, "they probably thought you were destroyed early in the war." Likewse, Antilla - the planet with the kids - was started (according to the book) by basically space amish. Folks from one of the colonies that wanted a low-tech existence. I dunno about the other human worlds they found, but i'd assume they were colonies of the colonies or separatists, or, yeah, shipwrecked folk would work too. Interesting idea.
I will always appreciate more BSG content.