I managed to have a better experience with the dash by putting a non reflective screen protector on it. Not perfect, but means I can always see the speedo
Done mine on a kawasaki er6n saw the Honda at the test centre instantly fell in love with its looks and colour. Lookin at getting one once I've sold my dirt bike
I wish I could ride this bike, it's my dream bike at the moment and it looks beutiful. That being said I'm only 16 and a while away from getting a motorbike but the honda cb650r is drop dead gorgeous and I'm sure it would be a amazing bike for a beginner.
I’m just about to buy one of these, best bike I’ve test ridden after buying a cruiser and never enjoyed it the whole time I had it. Thanks for posting, you haven’t put me off 😅
Did my test on this exact bike and that indicator position took at least 5% of my brain power at all times to not beep the horn at each junction...... if I owned it I’m sure I would adapt to the odd position but just jumping on for a test was a bit of a challenge!
What annoys me most on my CB650R is the button layout on the left handle. I don't like that rocker switch for the lights, I often flash the high beams when I want to switch from high to low beam. Honda should have put the flash where the HSTC switch is. And the switch for the horn is hard to reach quickly. Other than that I'm very happy with the bike.
I had the CBR650 and I couldn't get with the vibration of the engine. It would numb my hands and feet...wild for an i4. Gearing felt strange to me too. Hopped onto a new SV650, glad I did.
Sincere, honest and straight to the point review. I am planning to purchase sometime soon among this bike, the KTM 650 and the Kawasaki Z650 2020, I hope I can find a review on the 2 other bikes such as this..thank you, keep up the good work! Kudos!
Agree with all of these comments. My CB doesn't seem to have the rusting steel fittings but maybe mines is made in Asia. I changed the seat right away making It a little more comfortable and styled it to fit the red. Oh yeah... whack that end tail off and have the plate hanging off by brackets. Suits the back light a little better
to fix the dash buy a matt smartphone screen protector. just buy the largest you can find and trim it. I have a macbook 13 mate screen protector for that)
Thank you Dan. Good vid. What I hate are the two bulky air vents either side of the tank. Aesthetically unpleasant. Would like to just get rid. Seat agreed, not only hard but also the cover looks plastic/ fake. But I love this bike!
When I was looking to buy my first bike last fall it was between the Honda CB650R and the Yamaha MT07. I didn't know about the corrosion issue or the traction control but I agree with everything else. I went for the Yamaha MT07 because I thought it is better then the Honda in the dash and the build quality as the Yamaha is made in Japan and it is much cheaper. Not to mention the Yamaha has more power as well.
I was looking at this motorcycle before I passed my test, absolutely love the look of this machine, the style is just something else, the bullet proof engine, basically a new Hornet which I was admiring since I was a teenager. But one thing that put me off getting it ,was the fact that its made in Thailand, 7000£ made in Thailand....???!!! Ended up getting 2017 XSR 900... For the same money with 1860 miles on... I believed a Japanese bike should be made and put together in Japan...
EnglishBikerDan Well, as you mentioned in this video, they used cheaper materials nowadays on those bikes... hence the corrosion... It’s a pity really , because the bike is beautiful ... ACF50 all year round then ... :) I see MT07 used by motorcycling schools, that’s the bike I have passed my test on... You really consider them unreliable?
This is a very helpful video as the CB650R is what I'm eyeing to get after I pass my A2 license. Might wait for the 2021 model to see whether they'll upgrade the dash and electronics like the Kawasaki Z650 & Z900
Coming from riding a 2004 R6 for 10 years... I found the CB650R adequate but not exciting... was great for commuting... lots of vibration at first but now has settled down some... I had a CB300R and found that bike way more fun to ride.... except on the fwy
Agreed on the corrosion Dan. And that’s after bathing the bike in ACF50! I actually don’t mind the dash and the seat......what annoys me though..... and it’ll be the reason for getting shot of the bike is the fact that it’s a bit slow. 🤣
The power never bothered me, I've done the mega-powerful bike thing in my 20's. It's no rocket but it's still quick enough for fun. Plus I love how it screams at the top, so addictive!
Looking at getting my first bike really soon. Getting an a2 license, so it's between a ~5-6k euro 2018-2021 cb500f (or similar), or a 2020 cb650f for about 9k after the cost of the a2 kit. Since it's my first bike ever, I'm a bit scared of getting something more expensive since it will probably end up in the ground, but at the same time, it's only 30% more expensive than a normal a2 bike where I live.
Good post. I agree the dash gets lost very easily, I don't like the way it's set out with the rev counter either. The traction control seemed to do nothing when I tried one on all settings. The seat is typical Honda, They need to get on top of that. It's almost like they make them uncomfortable on purpose. Like you say - it's still a good bike. 👍🍻🏍️
I have the latest CB500X with the same dash. And I 100% agree. It seems pointless to have this display when it can't be read. It surely wouldn't have cost much more to have gone with the TFT style displays.
I was already read-up and warned about the dim dash display, but after bumping up the brightness to maximum, even the Sydney midday sun didn't kill it. I've never seen a TFT display so maybe that would spoil me for it somewhat. And yes, the mild steel hose clamps are already starting to tarnish after just 6 months, easy enough to swap out for stainless if they get much worse I guess. My only pet peeve on the bike is the way the traction control randomly switches off and stays off (love to hear from others having the same issue). I'm inclined to think that my LH glove is catching the lever when the clutch is pulled and have even toyed with the idea of taking to it with a Dremel to shorten the plastic activator switch a few millimetres. Hmmmm... other than that, Can't fault this bike. A pleasure to own and ride.
rust problems can be solved easy, seat can be modified easy, Traction Control can be disabled and lamp design each to their own.. Only real issue is the dark display in sunny days
Rust on a brand-new motorcycle with zero miles is a problem, however, you try to spin it. Yes, other issues can be fixed, but I like to highlight things I find on bikes.
I was watching this video and I was shocked when I saw the rusted parts. My 2009 Hornet does not have as much corrosion and its ridden all year, even in the rain. I guess even with the Honda the quality is not what it used to be for the middleweight class. The 2007+ Hornets were made in Italy.
I've had around 5 Hornets. 1998 up to around 2010. Great bikes. The rust was only a couple of hose clamps so not anything major. However, to see that on a bike with 0 miles isn't good QA. Just hope they pick these points up.
1. Dash - I don't know why, but I love this dash over MT 07 I set it only 4/5 brightness, and it's been working great here (Bangkok Thailand) where it is always Sunny hot 2. Traction control - I always have it off anyway. I only turn it on when riding on wet road / rain I used to ride a Harley, so I'm used to riding without any traction control 3. Corrosion - don't see any for me. only factory fault found on mine was the front right fork leaking oil, inspected at 1,000 km service The dealership made the claim and changed me a new one within a week I heard MT 07 had more corrosion problem. Never heard of that on any CB / CBR 650 R here 4. Seat - yes, stock seat not comfortable for long ride. I had a local shop installed gels on both the rider and pillion stock seat about US $ 90 total, and it makes a BIG different. 5. Tail brake lights - I don't really care 😗 I have annoying problem shifting from 1st to 2nd gear, often hitting in Neutral 2nd to 1st gear shift many times I have to kick down hard or it only crank down to Neutral sometimes i keep finding fault Neutral between any gears 3 to 5th when using Quick shifter Can't wait to see new generation of MT 07. If they improve the suspension, I might consider trading in after 4-5 years
That's because over here in Europe we have to salt on the roads in winter to combat ice and snow and rust is caused by that combination of salt and wet , not a combination i think you get in Thailand .
Hate is a strong word! I don’t have an issue with the dash, rear light or the traction control to be honest, but I’m with you on the seat and I am quite disappointed with the corrosion on the clips. Given the price point though, I have no huge complaints.
Wow, thank you, i am buying this bike this month and i really did not expected that corosion :O. If i will see it on my motorbike i will demand change the part for free.
That corrosion in ,such a new bike is not accepable, justo for example, my sh300i with 10years old 60000k riding all year round still holds the same radiator hose clips rust free...
Just over a year ago I had a CB125R, it had the a similar type of inverted LCD dash. Yes it was a nightmare to see in bright sunlight. Suzuki manage to put on an old school LCD on their SV650 that is perfectly visible in bright sunlight . Maybe the Suzuki one doesn't look as "cool" , but well I'd rather be able to see how fast I'm going !
EnglishBikerDan yeah that’s one of the downsides of the SW Motech service. Hopefully they’ll add a service in the future where you don’t have to send in your existing seat.
They should have put the 650r engine in the 2022 cb 500f chassis. It’s much nicer looking. Sharper angles nicer front head light and a much nicer looking rear end.
I'm looking hard at this bike, and it's absolutely on my list. While some of these gripes are subjective, the corrosion issue isn't. It's completely unacceptable that a customer would spend THOUSANDS of their hard-earned dollars (or pounds) on a NEW bike and be dealing with something like corrosion. Honda should foot the bill to replace any corroded part on a new bike.
To me that seems like a list of winges. The LCD is fine (all be it on my CBR), not got any issues with rust (although a liberal coating of XCP has been applied) and as for the tail. Get rid of it for a tail tidy and it is vastly improved. Also pyramid plastics do a hugger extension which solves the rear spray issue.
Bottom right corner. You're welcome. Tail tidy is useless unless you want to get soaked and flood under the pillion seat where the charger is. Tail tidy won't fix the crap looking rear light. It literally looks identical to my 1996 ZX7R rear light. So generic looking. Meh!
EnglishBikerDan so you literally read nothing of what I said. The standard tail does nothing to stop spray. The hugger extension does. Actually I think the rear light really suits the bike once the tail has gone. Bottom right?
I don't get why people complain this much about the display. If set to full brightness I don't have any issues with readability even in bright sunlight. Maybe they increased the brightness with later models? Bought mine end of last year.
same. Mine is an August 2019 build and its fine on a sunny day. Could also be something to do with a riders eye condition? Maybe some of us are more sensitive to daylight than others. Regardless, the display should be brighter if this is even a complaint from one user.
It's a shame they don't fit stainless hose fittings but you can replace them if needs be for very little cost. As with any bike they need protection from the elements. All my bikes are treated with a light oil such as GT85 or DoubleTT, muckoff also do an excellent motorcycle protectant spray. All of this is better and cheaper that ACF50 too. The really vulnerable bits can be treated with waxoil, especially in winter.
My bike came with corroded clamps as new. Minor issue mind you. My bikes always get a generous covering of ACF50 as winter approaches. It's not foolproof but it helps!
@@RichardsModellingAdventures Oh I'm sure he has a lot to say knowing Stuart. I personally prefer to try things for myself and if they work, that's what I use. Which is why I still use ACF50. Many ways to skin a cat though, as they say!
Cheers for the video Dan. That’s my experience with mid weigh recent Honda’s too. Some good stainless steel parts on them and others which are painted but rust rapidly, lots of bolts which should be stainless and are not. My mate’s 2018 NC750X is suffering badly with it. It’s put me off Honda which has always been my preferred brand. They need to sort this out or will lose customers. On my recent Honda, no amount of rust inhibitor is keeping it off!
Surprising they don't standardise on stainless fasteners for all exposed fittings knowing how much the price of stainless has dropped in recent years. The effect on the overall sale price of the bike would absolutely minimal and would instantly dispel any bad reviews for premature corrosion. I often buy stainless fasteners in my work for machine building, when buying in bulk, they basically cost the same as plated mild steel. It's only retail buyers that have to pay a premium for 304/316, not OEM producers like Honda.
I fully share your point of view for the seat, this is my number 1 of bad things on my CB, the dash is also a weak point a tft would have been better but I put a protective film and globally I am always able to see it. For the rear end, I removed the tail plate holder and put the topblock one close to the rear wheel, looks much better now like the bigger sister CB1000R, that's it for me alĺ the rest is perfect for me, I have no rust issue, just the chrome of the header seems to be not first quality...
Dan excellent reviews on the CB650R especially when we see after a period the things that you hate. Riding some of my local roads and wonder if i have seen you around. Now my questions is this........What about the XSR 700 against the CB650R? Have you tried the XSR? I know you have the MT07 but would the XSR700 change your mind? I ride an original 03 BMW F650 GS Dakar and want a change back to either a Yamaha or Honda, which though? Thoughts?
Thanks, yeah perhaps, I'm always out and about! I've not ridden the XSR but it seems to be very similar technically. Many people still complain about the suspension but there's no denying that engine is fun! I'd say test ride both and get the one you prefer. Ride safe! EBD ✌️
Hey Dan such a nice video and your voice over sounds very very familiar, sounds like ones from this one chronology channel by the name Watchfinder & Co. Anyways, I’m getting my CB650R in a couple of months due to 2 to 3 months waiting list here in Malaysia, and I cannot wait to have it. Keep creating good contents, cheers mate!
EnglishBikerDan: I hadn’t given it a thought, but yes you do sound VERY similar to the gent narrating on that channel. But the the watches he reviews are about the same price as the bike..... very nice, but I’ll take the bike every time. Your narration technique is spot on - you may have the face for radio (he chuckled), but certainly the voice for TH-cam. Keep up the good work.
Malaysia gets super soggy during wet months. I'd recommend not losing the stock tail kit if that was on your upgrade list. My dealer put in a tail tidy for me and it does get a bit muddy back there without the full-length tail.
Last year I got a new Forza 300 and under all the panels the frame was rusty at every weld. I complained to them about it. they didn’t do anything I don’t think Honda quality is what it used to be
Yeah I would have been happy to pay the extra for a TFT, not to mention that the ABS cuts in way to early under heavy braking. Plus I can never find the horn when I need it !!!
nobody mentions this, maybe its just me: those air inlets don't look good. Seems like they weren't built for that motorcycle. Maybe if it was painted in the same color as the frame or the tank...
I had a 2017 MT09 from new. Mirrors corroded in under a year, chrome on 1 fork went rusty. I was planning on a honda for my next, but dont sound as though they are any better.
@@Englishbikerdan i am a member of an mt09 forum and own one. This is the first time i hear of corrosion issues on an mt09. Certainly the bike has some weak points. The quickshifter is not the smoothest. Seat is hard and suspension soft, but the bike is very reliable and solid. In the US, the mt09 is cheaper than a cbr650r abs. I love the styling of the cb650r but it is too expensive in the US for what it is.
I'm 25 and currently in the process getting my motorcycle license. Since I don't need to worry about age restrictions etc, I feel like the 650R would be a great first bike after I have my license.. What do you think, Dan? Could this be a good first bike?
@@Englishbikerdan Excellent! My bad for missing that one! As a bonus question, have you got any plan on doing a video on bike security or something along those lines? Reckon it could be interesting.
Five things I hate about my motorcycles. 1. It's not electric 2. Needs new tires after 10,000 miles 3. Needs to be insured 4. Need to be paid the registration 5. Still owe money on a loan First of all it's a Yamaha..
Don't know if I'd bother. They all ship from the same manufacturer and will just keep rusting if ridden in the same environment. The only option is to swap them out with stainless aftermarket equivalents.
Lubbly bike. I wrote a complaint to Honda about the seat on the cb500x 16'. A comfy seat should not be a luxury feature. If I had a stapler gun I'd just buy some foam and do it myself.
I have the same bike, actually I bought it after seeing your review. I am surprised you left out the horrid helmet lock off this list.Who in their right mind designs something like that. Traction control is a joke and itself a hazard it shakes the bike violently under heavy acceleration as it cuts off the ignition, it is very intermitteet and in certain conditions upsets the bike causing alarm. Built quality- yes agreed exhaust bolts fitting etc already pitting. Directly mounted swing arm mono shock also keeps reminding you on every pothole that this is not their premium bike. It just makes you wish that honda had put a little bit more effort in building, designing and finish quality of this machine as it really is a very good bike and deserves it.
I don't think think I've ever used a helmet lock on any bike. Only time I'd leave my helmet attached is if I had a top box. Just don't trust people enough!
"Traction control is a joke and itself a hazard it shakes the bike violently under heavy acceleration as it cuts off the ignition, it is very intermittent and in certain conditions upsets the bike causing alarm." This definitely doesn't seem right. Perhaps bring it back to the dealership for checking out if you haven't already done so. Mine has never given any issue at all under any ride situations (even at the track!) CB650R (August 2019 manufacture date)
Great video Dan :D I really like this bike , but I'm wondering if I'm too short for it - I am 5 feet 6 or 1.7 meters. Am I too short for it? And if yes can it be lowered a bit? Thanks
@@Englishbikerdan thanks for the reply Dan :) can I get a honest opinion - between this Honda CB650R and the KTM 390 which would you recommend more for me as my first bike (since you tested both)?:D
Hi There, thank you for the info. Can you please advice if saddle height is good short guys? I’m 163cm. Also, are you getting g good upright relaxed seating position? Thanks in advance
Hondas build quality has dropped. My wife's old cb500 (long gone) stood up to 50k commuting and was in great condition, as was my 900 hornet, but my Cbf1000 is poor, I can't see myself buying another Honda...
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Completely agree with the dashboard, even the 125cc version of the bike has a much clearer display
@His Masters Voice Lol, ok little man.
I'm support you
Would you say this can be a decent begginner bike?
I managed to have a better experience with the dash by putting a non reflective screen protector on it. Not perfect, but means I can always see the speedo
same, check out speedo-angels anti-glare screen protectors
Same here
Yep, i did the same, improves it to a point where I never can't read the important stuff.
Speedo angels here too.
I took my Mod1 and Mod2 tests on the CB650R and I really loved it - can confirm the gash-dash, surprised at the build quality though! Great vid Dan!
Done mine on a kawasaki er6n saw the Honda at the test centre instantly fell in love with its looks and colour. Lookin at getting one once I've sold my dirt bike
I wish I could ride this bike, it's my dream bike at the moment and it looks beutiful. That being said I'm only 16 and a while away from getting a motorbike but the honda cb650r is drop dead gorgeous and I'm sure it would be a amazing bike for a beginner.
I’m just about to buy one of these, best bike I’ve test ridden after buying a cruiser and never enjoyed it the whole time I had it. Thanks for posting, you haven’t put me off 😅
Did my test on this exact bike and that indicator position took at least 5% of my brain power at all times to not beep the horn at each junction...... if I owned it I’m sure I would adapt to the odd position but just jumping on for a test was a bit of a challenge!
Yeah took me a while. If you watch my first test ride video of this and the CBR650R I keep giving accidental horn! 😂 Totally used to it now 1 year on.
The in-line 4 of this bike is the sweetest of any I’ve ever heard even with stock exhaust. That’s where 80% of the money is.
The subject I avoid thinking about for my bike... But deep down i know, nothing is perfect...
Shes still beautiful bro!
What annoys me most on my CB650R is the button layout on the left handle. I don't like that rocker switch for the lights, I often flash the high beams when I want to switch from high to low beam. Honda should have put the flash where the HSTC switch is.
And the switch for the horn is hard to reach quickly.
Other than that I'm very happy with the bike.
For you display:
You could use a matte display protector✌🏻
It's scratch resistant and also looks cool
Speed Angels might make an anti-glare, scratch and UV protection overlay. Like one on a smart phone.
CORRECTION: it’s Speedo Angels
@@gwynnromano5881 Yeh they do makes a real difference.
Been commenting this on every video I see mentioning the dash. It's hard to overstate how much better it is without the glare.
That shade of blue is to die for.
We always get shafted with limited color options in the US.
True , it surprises me USA misses out on some great cars and bikes. For such a big market it is strange. 🤔🤔🤔
I've been riding for 30 years and it's my 7th bike, best one ever. Maybe except for the dash.
I had the CBR650 and I couldn't get with the vibration of the engine. It would numb my hands and feet...wild for an i4. Gearing felt strange to me too. Hopped onto a new SV650, glad I did.
Sincere, honest and straight to the point review. I am planning to purchase sometime soon among this bike, the KTM 650 and the Kawasaki Z650 2020, I hope I can find a review on the 2 other bikes such as this..thank you, keep up the good work! Kudos!
No one mention motto Guzzi Gas Gas and Aprilia
I don`t have issue with rust, or I don`t have yet, agree on the rest of the things, but I still love it!
Agree with all of these comments. My CB doesn't seem to have the rusting steel fittings but maybe mines is made in Asia.
I changed the seat right away making It a little more comfortable and styled it to fit the red.
Oh yeah... whack that end tail off and have the plate hanging off by brackets. Suits the back light a little better
to fix the dash buy a matt smartphone screen protector. just buy the largest you can find and trim it. I have a macbook 13 mate screen protector for that)
Seems the 2024 did fix some of these issues: proper auto color changing TFT display, and a way nicer tail
Yeah, a few nice updates now.
Thank you Dan. Good vid. What I hate are the two bulky air vents either side of the tank. Aesthetically unpleasant. Would like to just get rid. Seat agreed, not only hard but also the cover looks plastic/ fake. But I love this bike!
I like those. I pretend they are missile launchers and I blow up idiot drivers. 😁
When I was looking to buy my first bike last fall it was between the Honda CB650R and the Yamaha MT07. I didn't know about the corrosion issue or the traction control but I agree with everything else. I went for the Yamaha MT07 because I thought it is better then the Honda in the dash and the build quality as the Yamaha is made in Japan and it is much cheaper. Not to mention the Yamaha has more power as well.
My corrosion issues were much worse on my MT07. Swing arm and coolant pipes corrode so badly. At least the Honda only has hose clamps that corrode.
@@Englishbikerdan I'm hoping they addressed that on the 2018 model.
@@mohammedrahman3447 Definitely not.
These are all great pointers for using when haggling at the Showroom
I was looking at this motorcycle before I passed my test, absolutely love the look of this machine, the style is just something else, the bullet proof engine, basically a new Hornet which I was admiring since I was a teenager.
But one thing that put me off getting it ,was the fact that its made in Thailand, 7000£ made in Thailand....???!!!
Ended up getting 2017 XSR 900... For the same money with 1860 miles on...
I believed a Japanese bike should be made and put together in Japan...
To me it doesn't matter where a bike is made. My MT07 was fun but a rusty unreliable heap and that was made in Japan.
EnglishBikerDan Well, as you mentioned in this video, they used cheaper materials nowadays on those bikes... hence the corrosion...
It’s a pity really , because the bike is beautiful ... ACF50 all year round then ... :)
I see MT07 used by motorcycling schools, that’s the bike I have passed my test on...
You really consider them unreliable?
This is a very helpful video as the CB650R is what I'm eyeing to get after I pass my A2 license.
Might wait for the 2021 model to see whether they'll upgrade the dash and electronics like the Kawasaki Z650 & Z900
Coming from riding a 2004 R6 for 10 years... I found the CB650R adequate but not exciting... was great for commuting... lots of vibration at first but now has settled down some... I had a CB300R and found that bike way more fun to ride.... except on the fwy
Yeah, even old R6's are super sports machines. The 650 is just a comfy naked with a nice revvy engine. Still, we like what we like. Cheers!
Agreed on the corrosion Dan. And that’s after bathing the bike in ACF50! I actually don’t mind the dash and the seat......what annoys me though..... and it’ll be the reason for getting shot of the bike is the fact that it’s a bit slow. 🤣
The power never bothered me, I've done the mega-powerful bike thing in my 20's. It's no rocket but it's still quick enough for fun. Plus I love how it screams at the top, so addictive!
ACF50 is crap. There are cheaper and better products to protect a bike
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the bike. Safe riding!
Looking at getting my first bike really soon. Getting an a2 license, so it's between a ~5-6k euro 2018-2021 cb500f (or similar), or a 2020 cb650f for about 9k after the cost of the a2 kit. Since it's my first bike ever, I'm a bit scared of getting something more expensive since it will probably end up in the ground, but at the same time, it's only 30% more expensive than a normal a2 bike where I live.
Good post. I agree the dash gets lost very easily, I don't like the way it's set out with the rev counter either. The traction control seemed to do nothing when I tried one on all settings. The seat is typical Honda, They need to get on top of that. It's almost like they make them uncomfortable on purpose. Like you say - it's still a good bike. 👍🍻🏍️
I have the latest CB500X with the same dash. And I 100% agree. It seems pointless to have this display when it can't be read. It surely wouldn't have cost much more to have gone with the TFT style displays.
I was already read-up and warned about the dim dash display, but after bumping up the brightness to maximum, even the Sydney midday sun didn't kill it. I've never seen a TFT display so maybe that would spoil me for it somewhat. And yes, the mild steel hose clamps are already starting to tarnish after just 6 months, easy enough to swap out for stainless if they get much worse I guess. My only pet peeve on the bike is the way the traction control randomly switches off and stays off (love to hear from others having the same issue). I'm inclined to think that my LH glove is catching the lever when the clutch is pulled and have even toyed with the idea of taking to it with a Dremel to shorten the plastic activator switch a few millimetres. Hmmmm... other than that, Can't fault this bike. A pleasure to own and ride.
Not had any issues with traction turning itself off, just the bipolar nature of it sometimes. I love this bike but no bike is perfect.
got a 2009 hornet made in italy, it lives outside and has ten british winters under its belt, the build quality is awesome, hardly any rust at all.
Had a few of those myself. Excellent bikes
rust problems can be solved easy, seat can be modified easy, Traction Control can be disabled and lamp design each to their own.. Only real issue is the dark display in sunny days
Rust on a brand-new motorcycle with zero miles is a problem, however, you try to spin it. Yes, other issues can be fixed, but I like to highlight things I find on bikes.
I was looking at trading my 2011 hornet for one last year, didn’t do it , just couldn’t find the extra value in the cb650 to justify it.
I was watching this video and I was shocked when I saw the rusted parts. My 2009 Hornet does not have as much corrosion and its ridden all year, even in the rain. I guess even with the Honda the quality is not what it used to be for the middleweight class. The 2007+ Hornets were made in Italy.
mifili64 exactly, mine is literally mint, not a spot of rust on her
I've had around 5 Hornets. 1998 up to around 2010. Great bikes. The rust was only a couple of hose clamps so not anything major. However, to see that on a bike with 0 miles isn't good QA. Just hope they pick these points up.
1. Dash - I don't know why, but I love this dash over MT 07
I set it only 4/5 brightness, and it's been working great here (Bangkok Thailand) where it is always Sunny hot
2. Traction control - I always have it off anyway. I only turn it on when riding on wet road / rain
I used to ride a Harley, so I'm used to riding without any traction control
3. Corrosion - don't see any for me. only factory fault found on mine was the front right fork leaking oil, inspected at 1,000 km service
The dealership made the claim and changed me a new one within a week
I heard MT 07 had more corrosion problem. Never heard of that on any CB / CBR 650 R here
4. Seat - yes, stock seat not comfortable for long ride. I had a local shop installed gels on both the rider and pillion stock seat
about US $ 90 total, and it makes a BIG different.
5. Tail brake lights - I don't really care 😗
I have annoying problem shifting from 1st to 2nd gear, often hitting in Neutral
2nd to 1st gear shift many times I have to kick down hard or it only crank down to Neutral
sometimes i keep finding fault Neutral between any gears 3 to 5th when using Quick shifter
Can't wait to see new generation of MT 07. If they improve the suspension, I might consider trading in after 4-5 years
That's because over here in Europe we have to salt on the roads in winter to combat ice and snow and rust is caused by that combination of salt and wet , not a combination i think you get in Thailand .
Ah I see. But at least the roads are good there no? Roads here are so bad, that's why CB 500 X is top sales
Hate is a strong word! I don’t have an issue with the dash, rear light or the traction control to be honest, but I’m with you on the seat and I am quite disappointed with the corrosion on the clips. Given the price point though, I have no huge complaints.
Yeah but YT probably won't recommend a video that says "5 things that mildy disgruntle me". It's for the viewwwwwws. The shame. :D
EnglishBikerDan 🤣 The things a man must do...
I agree on the seat. Like the CB250r, it will become really uncomfortable after an hour on road. What I did tho, I added sponge in it and it work.
One of the nicest Bike on the market! 😎
I really hate that it doesnt have a sight glass for the oil level or inserts for swing arm spools
Wow, thank you, i am buying this bike this month and i really did not expected that corosion :O. If i will see it on my motorbike i will demand change the part for free.
That corrosion in ,such a new bike is not accepable, justo for example, my sh300i with 10years old 60000k riding all year round still holds the same radiator hose clips rust free...
GO GSXS750
Just over a year ago I had a CB125R, it had the a similar type of inverted LCD dash. Yes it was a nightmare to see in bright sunlight. Suzuki manage to put on an old school LCD on their SV650 that is perfectly visible in bright sunlight . Maybe the Suzuki one doesn't look as "cool" , but well I'd rather be able to see how fast I'm going !
Mate just send your seat in to SW Motech and have them increase the padding. I’m sure they do it for the 650r aswell 👍🏼
The problem is I use my bike almost everyday so I can't have any downtime.
EnglishBikerDan yeah that’s one of the downsides of the SW Motech service. Hopefully they’ll add a service in the future where you don’t have to send in your existing seat.
I used to drive a 1995 cb400. I was very happy back then hahah
Ah the good ol' days! :D
Just got my CB650R; same on all hose clamps showing rust.
Try the short license plate holder and a cover for the rear seat, it will give the bike a completley different look
Had the tail tidy and removed it. Useless for commuting in wet weather.
@@Englishbikerdan ah okay makes sense , wet weather in the uk 😆
@@fiderallala7541 Yep, you just have a wet arse all the time! :D
They should have put the 650r engine in the 2022 cb 500f chassis. It’s much nicer looking. Sharper angles nicer front head light and a much nicer looking rear end.
It's thailand build, and my 2022 CB650R doesn't have these issues. The tailunit design is solved for 35,- on amazon.
I'm looking hard at this bike, and it's absolutely on my list. While some of these gripes are subjective, the corrosion issue isn't. It's completely unacceptable that a customer would spend THOUSANDS of their hard-earned dollars (or pounds) on a NEW bike and be dealing with something like corrosion. Honda should foot the bill to replace any corroded part on a new bike.
It's not ideal BUT, it is only a hose clip or two. It's nowhere else on the bike so far, nearly 2 years on in all weathers.
@@Englishbikerdan That's good.
What do you think will be a better choice cb650r or mt09? I cannot decide for myself =(
Do you think people should look for the used cb1000r baracuda instead?
To me that seems like a list of winges. The LCD is fine (all be it on my CBR), not got any issues with rust (although a liberal coating of XCP has been applied) and as for the tail. Get rid of it for a tail tidy and it is vastly improved. Also pyramid plastics do a hugger extension which solves the rear spray issue.
Bottom right corner. You're welcome. Tail tidy is useless unless you want to get soaked and flood under the pillion seat where the charger is. Tail tidy won't fix the crap looking rear light. It literally looks identical to my 1996 ZX7R rear light. So generic looking. Meh!
EnglishBikerDan so you literally read nothing of what I said. The standard tail does nothing to stop spray. The hugger extension does. Actually I think the rear light really suits the bike once the tail has gone.
Bottom right?
@@Englishbikerdan I was happy with the tail light until you mentioned a twin circular pair. Now I will forever see the ass of this bike as dated.
I don't get why people complain this much about the display. If set to full brightness I don't have any issues with readability even in bright sunlight. Maybe they increased the brightness with later models? Bought mine end of last year.
I'm guessing they may have changed the brightness level. Mine on full brightness is really dull.
same. Mine is an August 2019 build and its fine on a sunny day. Could also be something to do with a riders eye condition? Maybe some of us are more sensitive to daylight than others. Regardless, the display should be brighter if this is even a complaint from one user.
It's a shame they don't fit stainless hose fittings but you can replace them if needs be for very little cost. As with any bike they need protection from the elements. All my bikes are treated with a light oil such as GT85 or DoubleTT, muckoff also do an excellent motorcycle protectant spray. All of this is better and cheaper that ACF50 too. The really vulnerable bits can be treated with waxoil, especially in winter.
My bike came with corroded clamps as new. Minor issue mind you. My bikes always get a generous covering of ACF50 as winter approaches. It's not foolproof but it helps!
@@Englishbikerdan I'm not a fan if ACF50 at all. Overrated, over priced IMHO
@@RichardsModellingAdventures Works for me and a little goes a really long way. Still using the same bottle 4 years on! 😁
@@Englishbikerdan watch this one by Stuart th-cam.com/video/rnZaVVrloQE/w-d-xo.html
@@RichardsModellingAdventures Oh I'm sure he has a lot to say knowing Stuart. I personally prefer to try things for myself and if they work, that's what I use. Which is why I still use ACF50. Many ways to skin a cat though, as they say!
Cheers for the video Dan. That’s my experience with mid weigh recent Honda’s too. Some good stainless steel parts on them and others which are painted but rust rapidly, lots of bolts which should be stainless and are not. My mate’s 2018 NC750X is suffering badly with it. It’s put me off Honda which has always been my preferred brand. They need to sort this out or will lose customers. On my recent Honda, no amount of rust inhibitor is keeping it off!
It seems to be very hit and miss. My CB500X was perfect and I had that over a year.
3 year old NC750S run all year but no rust on mine, luckily...
The NC also has a hard seat, partly because the slope forces your gonads on to the tank and partly because it is hard!
Surprising they don't standardise on stainless fasteners for all exposed fittings knowing how much the price of stainless has dropped in recent years. The effect on the overall sale price of the bike would absolutely minimal and would instantly dispel any bad reviews for premature corrosion. I often buy stainless fasteners in my work for machine building, when buying in bulk, they basically cost the same as plated mild steel. It's only retail buyers that have to pay a premium for 304/316, not OEM producers like Honda.
the rusty hose clamps are a deal breaker
Just bought the cb650r! Now 2 weeks patience 🥴! My previeus bike was a Yamaha MT07
Good choice!
Why did you decide to swap it?
I totally agreed with you thanks
Led headlight spread too poor? ( Can see Only a horizontal line in videos)
It's not great but a lot better than a video can show.
I fully share your point of view for the seat, this is my number 1 of bad things on my CB, the dash is also a weak point a tft would have been better but I put a protective film and globally I am always able to see it.
For the rear end, I removed the tail plate holder and put the topblock one close to the rear wheel, looks much better now like the bigger sister CB1000R, that's it for me alĺ the rest is perfect for me, I have no rust issue, just the chrome of the header seems to be not first quality...
Very good info.But corrosion on new bike is very annoying thing.
The dash brightness can be adjusted...
LIsten to what I said at 0:44. :)
Dan excellent reviews on the CB650R especially when we see after a period the things that you hate. Riding some of my local roads and wonder if i have seen you around.
Now my questions is this........What about the XSR 700 against the CB650R? Have you tried the XSR? I know you have the MT07 but would the XSR700 change your mind? I ride an original 03 BMW F650 GS Dakar and want a change back to either a Yamaha or Honda, which though? Thoughts?
Thanks, yeah perhaps, I'm always out and about! I've not ridden the XSR but it seems to be very similar technically. Many people still complain about the suspension but there's no denying that engine is fun! I'd say test ride both and get the one you prefer. Ride safe! EBD ✌️
The guage cluster would be easier to read with an orange backlight and text color in black.
This is my dreambike ♥️
Hey Dan such a nice video and your voice over sounds very very familiar, sounds like ones from this one chronology channel by the name Watchfinder & Co. Anyways, I’m getting my CB650R in a couple of months due to 2 to 3 months waiting list here in Malaysia, and I cannot wait to have it. Keep creating good contents, cheers mate!
Cheers, I'll check that channel out if the poor guy sounds like me! Thanks! 😊
EnglishBikerDan: I hadn’t given it a thought, but yes you do sound VERY similar to the gent narrating on that channel.
But the the watches he reviews are about the same price as the bike..... very nice, but I’ll take the bike every time. Your narration technique is spot on - you may have the face for radio (he chuckled), but certainly the voice for TH-cam. Keep up the good work.
Malaysia gets super soggy during wet months. I'd recommend not losing the stock tail kit if that was on your upgrade list. My dealer put in a tail tidy for me and it does get a bit muddy back there without the full-length tail.
Good format this video 👍
Last year I got a new Forza 300 and under all the panels the frame was rusty at every weld. I complained to them about it. they didn’t do anything I don’t think Honda quality is what it used to be
I think I will go for CB650F over the R. Tell me why I shouldn't?
Why would I? If it's what you want, go for it!
Yeah I would have been happy to pay the extra for a TFT, not to mention that the ABS cuts in way to early under heavy braking. Plus I can never find the horn when I need it !!!
Yup, every time I need to use the horn I end up cancelling the indicators in anger! 😂
practice reaching your thumb for the horn every day at the lights for a few weeks. Muscle memory will soon kick in and it will feel much more natural.
@@TheCuriousOrbs Had the bike over a year now. Still happens. Had 15 years of the horn being in a different position. Tough habit to beat.
Maybe u should use semi transparent windshield to provide more shades to your dash..i think its common problem for cb
Thanks for the info
Totally agree with you about the seat.. It's a killer lol. Have you considered the Bagster Seat? Would love to see your opinion on it!
I have but it's too costly and I don't know if it would actually be any better. I might try a SW Motech Traveller seat add on.
nobody mentions this, maybe its just me: those air inlets don't look good. Seems like they weren't built for that motorcycle. Maybe if it was painted in the same color as the frame or the tank...
can't you apply a filter to the dash lcd screen to invert it? people do that with casio watches all the time
Maybe yeah. Although I sold it last year.
I think the previous models was sharper than this one. But I see the price of the Honda quite high. Specially the 1000cc
I really liked the Honda tricolour scheme with gold wheels. Lovely!
How is the gas consumption?
I had a 2017 MT09 from new. Mirrors corroded in under a year, chrome on 1 fork went rusty. I was planning on a honda for my next, but dont sound as though they are any better.
It's just hose clamps that are rusting. Nothing else. I always thought MT09's faired a bit better than the 07 corrosion wise.
@@Englishbikerdan i am a member of an mt09 forum and own one. This is the first time i hear of corrosion issues on an mt09. Certainly the bike has some weak points. The quickshifter is not the smoothest. Seat is hard and suspension soft, but the bike is very reliable and solid. In the US, the mt09 is cheaper than a cbr650r abs. I love the styling of the cb650r but it is too expensive in the US for what it is.
What is the fairing you installed? Trademark and number please!
Anyone get fixed the rust by Honda ???
Is this bike automatic?
yes. and comes complete with training wheels.
(no dude, these bikes aren't delivery scooters)
No it's a manual transmission, 6 gears with clutch.
It never will be.
I'm 25 and currently in the process getting my motorcycle license. Since I don't need to worry about age restrictions etc, I feel like the 650R would be a great first bike after I have my license..
What do you think, Dan? Could this be a good first bike?
I have a video about this very subject, take a look in my videos. 😁 I hope it helps answer your questions. 👍
@@Englishbikerdan Excellent! My bad for missing that one!
As a bonus question, have you got any plan on doing a video on bike security or something along those lines? Reckon it could be interesting.
@@AlsRides Probably not tbh. It's a lot of effort and in all honestly those sorts of vids rarely do that well. Just lock your bike up is my top tip! 😁
@@Englishbikerdan I guess I could take it into the flat and tuck it in under the duvet? Surely the missus wouldn't mind
Hi Dan, i have try to fit wind screen on my cb650r but the screw holding light just snap any idea where to get one? Thanks
Hi Dan, have you managed to do anything about the seat as yet? I have not seen many options to change. Thanks, Lee
Not yet Lee but it's on the cards!
i have just susbcribed. thx for making the video Dan, a quick question, is this good as first bike, or better get a MSX 125? th x
Thanks for the sub. First big bike, yes. First bike, no. :)
@@Englishbikerdan so will get a Benelli TNT 135 or Hond Grom i think
thank you
I'm looking to get this bike as my first big bike...worth it?
Yes.
The most worrying defect would be the build quality. Having rusty components is just poor. Very disappointing for a Honda.
Hi Dan. Some people make complaints about vibrations past 5k RPMs. What do you think about it?
I don't really notice it tbh. My hand went a bit numb after riding all the way to Germany but I've also had that on vtwins!
Wow never expect those corrosions.
How do you like the windscreen so far? I'm thinking of adding one.
It's very good for motorway journeys.
Five things I hate about my motorcycles.
1. It's not electric
2. Needs new tires after 10,000 miles
3. Needs to be insured
4. Need to be paid the registration
5. Still owe money on a loan
First of all it's a Yamaha..
I think Honda watched this video when they redesigned the 2024 version
Not good about the corrosion. Have you enquired about getting the parts replaced under warranty?
I did, dealer said they'd replace under warranty and then I forgot to remind them at the 1st service. Doh!
@@Englishbikerdan ha ha, next time then! At least they've agreed to do it 👍🏼
Don't know if I'd bother. They all ship from the same manufacturer and will just keep rusting if ridden in the same environment. The only option is to swap them out with stainless aftermarket equivalents.
Make a video about sc project sc1-r full system for cbr650r and whad is tha difference between sc1-r and sc1-m exhaust ? And which one is better ???
Sure, if you could just buy all those exhausts and send them to me I'll get right on it. 😉
What about passenger comfort? Have you tried riding with a pillion? Thanks!
Yes and she hates it! Good for me though as I get alone time. 😂
When you change the exhaust on a post 2016 bike and remove the cat. can you still pass the MOT?
Depends on the MOT station, some will pass it, others won't.
Lubbly bike. I wrote a complaint to Honda about the seat on the cb500x 16'. A comfy seat should not be a luxury feature. If I had a stapler gun I'd just buy some foam and do it myself.
I have the same bike, actually I bought it after seeing your review.
I am surprised you left out the horrid helmet lock off this list.Who in their right mind designs something like that.
Traction control is a joke and itself a hazard it shakes the bike violently under heavy acceleration as it cuts off the ignition, it is very intermitteet and in certain conditions upsets the bike causing alarm.
Built quality- yes agreed exhaust bolts fitting etc already pitting.
Directly mounted swing arm mono shock also keeps reminding you on every pothole that this is not their premium bike.
It just makes you wish that honda had put a little bit more effort in building, designing and finish quality of this machine as it really is a very good bike and deserves it.
I don't think think I've ever used a helmet lock on any bike. Only time I'd leave my helmet attached is if I had a top box. Just don't trust people enough!
@@Englishbikerdan agreed but my point is the helmet lock design on this bike is horrible.
"Traction control is a joke and itself a hazard it shakes the bike violently under heavy acceleration as it cuts off the ignition, it is very intermittent and in certain conditions upsets the bike causing alarm."
This definitely doesn't seem right. Perhaps bring it back to the dealership for checking out if you haven't already done so. Mine has never given any issue at all under any ride situations (even at the track!)
CB650R (August 2019 manufacture date)
@@TheCuriousOrbs Hey thanks for the input, I would definitely do so now but honda dealership here is kinda crap.
Is 5f 11” - 6ft too tall for cb650r?
Great video Dan :D I really like this bike , but I'm wondering if I'm too short for it - I am 5 feet 6 or 1.7 meters. Am I too short for it? And if yes can it be lowered a bit?
Thanks
You're only an inch and a bit shorter than me so my gues is you would be ok as stock.
@@Englishbikerdan thank you for the reply :D
@@Englishbikerdan thanks for the reply Dan :) can I get a honest opinion - between this Honda CB650R and the KTM 390 which would you recommend more for me as my first bike (since you tested both)?:D
Hi There, thank you for the info. Can you please advice if saddle height is good short guys? I’m 163cm. Also, are you getting g good upright relaxed seating position? Thanks in advance
Hondas build quality has dropped. My wife's old cb500 (long gone) stood up to 50k commuting and was in great condition, as was my 900 hornet, but my Cbf1000 is poor, I can't see myself buying another Honda...