After watching MarkandSamAfterWork’s extensive ELR videos in the blistering winds of open hilly Australia comparing 300 WM to PRC, I’ll gladly stick with my 300 WM and save a boatload of money👌🏼
Long range only did a pretty extensive test on two similar rifles in .300 Win mag and 300 PRC, the difference was negligible. Not saying it isn't good, seems a well designed and thought out cartridge, but it doesn't "blow the doors" off the Win mag. With the Win mag you have a huge selection of components and generally better availability of brass and the ability to make brass from other belted calibers if need be. With the PRC you have no belt, which matters to some people, and a little more powder capacity, about a grain less than .300 Weatherby as I understand it. Shoot what you like 👍 and enjoy.
@@G5Hohn What you forgett is twist rate. If you buy a factory 300 winmag you generaly get a 1:10 twist but a 1:8 for the PRC. For custom rifles it does not matter, but for people buying a factory rifle it does. Same reason 6.5 CM is a better pick then older 6.5 calibers, wich was 1:8.66 or 1:9.
@@jmkhenka I didn’t mention it but I definitely don’t forget that twist is another major advantage for PRC vs the ancient and terrible case design of the wm.
One think ill add about these new cartridges that have come out in the last 10 or 20 years is availability . I lived in Alaska for 41 years and can say that if you hunt out of one of the villages hopefully you brought the right ammo or didn't forget ammo or what ever..These small villages usually only carry the more popular cartridges.
A few questions: 1) Why does your explanation of the advantage of the. 300PRC start with "if you are shooting at big game animals over 400 yards that weigh over 1000 lbs"? Is that even really ethical for the "non-professional" hunter? By "non-professional", I mean someone who is not a representative for a firearm or firearm ammunition manufacturer, or a professional guide/outfitter. 2) How well does the .300 PRC stack up with the .300 WM at less than 400 yards? Say, 300 yards? 3) What is the cost of a .300 PRC rifle compared to a production .300 WM? What is the cost of a box of production ammo for .300 PRC compared to a box of production 300 WM? 4) What is the availability of .300 PRC ammo in fairly remote hunting areas as compared to .300 WM? I watch a lot of outdoor TV shows, Hornady sponsors many of them. To me, this looks like a really strong marketing campaign to sell hunters a new thing that they really don't need. I've been shooting a .300 WM for more than 25 years. If I'm not a good enough hunter to get within 250 - 300 yards of the game I'm hunting, I don't take the shot.
Since no one’s answered you I figured I would.. 1. What does ethics have to do with anything? There’s no such thing really as a “professional “ hunter. You have experienced hunters and not so experienced hunters 2. The .300 win mag was designed as a hunting caliber after the 300hh mag and the 270 mag and 300weatherby mag and 338 Winchester mag. Although the 300 win mag is cheaper to produce, the prior Cartridges did their job better than the 300 win mag. So specifically to your question. There’s something called maximum point blank range. MPBR is a measurement of The distance in yards a projectile can travel without rising or falling more than a predetermined measurement above or below at the point of aim. The only difference at short distance is the 300prc fires a larger bullet. 3. Rifle cost are about the same as time or writing this. Ammo for the 300winnmag in my area runs about $55/20 rounds and the 300prc if you can find it is around $10 more. 4. I don’t know what your definition of “remote” is. I will say the 300prc is difficult to find right now as it’s the new and cool. I was just able to buy 5 boxes for $67 a box yesterday. The 300 win mag is easier to find. To address part two of your question, Hornady designed this round Specifically for long range competition shooting. It’s not designed to hunt with although you can. That’s the difference in a nutshell. The 300winnmag was designed for hunting over 60 years ago. The 300 prc shoots a bigger projectile with a better ballistic coefficient meaning it resists air better than the 300nwinmag. If you’re hunting white tail at 300yrds your win mag is over kill..a plain old 308 works fine. If you want to take an elk at 1200 yards? Use a 300prc.
@@SlippyTweasel Thank you for your response. To address the points you brought up... Yes, it is new and cool, no argument. I understand that it's designed for long range competition, hence the emphasis of the heavier bullets and higher ballistic coefficient. However, in a hunting rifle that doesn't matter much inside 400 yards or so. I am a relatively experienced hunter and I refrain from shots over about 250 yards as a general rule and I try to shoot less than 200 in most cases. I'd rather not take a shot than take a shot at an animal, wound it, and then take an hour or more to get to where it was when I fired. As far as the .300 WinMag being over kill for whitetail deer, I couldn't agree more. I don't use the .300wm for anything smaller than elk in North America, I do like to carry it as my primary rifle in Africa for most plains game. In North America I generally shoot one of 3 rifles for big game smaller than elk. Depending on what type of terrain I'm hunting, I shoot either a .35 Rem in a Marlin 336, a 7x57 Mauser in a Ruger No.1 or a 25-06 in a really nice Kimber. Again, thank you for responding. Have a great day!
Here's another question for you... Which is more effective in a 12 gauge shotgun, 00 buck shot or #1 buck shot? 00 buck shot is 9, .33 caliber pellets in a 2 3/4 inch load. No. 1 buck shot is 16, .30 caliber pellets in a 2 3/4 inch load. Both at roughly the same velocity. What do you think?
The 300 PRC is a awesome cartridge, mainly because Hornady sells match grade ammunition for it over the counter and a lot of other rounds in this category of rifle need to be hand loaded to reach the same ballistic consistency, and precision. Do your research before you spit facts especially when your a pro because a 300 win mag is actually a necked down blown out version of the 375 H&H not a 338 win mag I own both and their casings are nothing alike. No matter what new flair they put on the 300 the 300 win mag will always be the long range GOAT and it’s been doing it for over 50 years
Winchester wanted a 30 magnum that could be cheaper to produce. That meant no longer needing “magnum length”actions for a 300 H&H. It was 1962 and they were exploring options to cheapen production. In 1964 the “new” but not improved model 70s followed suit. Of interesting fact, 300 H&H handles the heavies just fine. I like the 300 PRC. There isn’t anything the 300 PRC won’t do that 300 weatherby can’t. Which was based off of... a 300 H&H. 300 win mag has always been a compromise with their short neck to fit in an action length. The 300 WSM is efficient, more so than the 300 Win Mag. The 300 H&H ballistically matches the 300 WSM but shoots the heavies better. Again a compromise. Again I like the 300 PRC. The comparison should be made with a weatherby.
If you already have a good shooting 300win you hunt with , you don't need a 300prc . Loaded with hunting bullets they will do the same thing & the animals won't know the difference. Long range target shooting & the 300prc has a slight advantage ! Cheers and keep on shooting
Havnt read all the comments but he looses credability right away..... first of all the 300 win mag is not a 338 necked down that would be a 30-338 which never took hold. Second winchester wasnt trying to make an 06 a little more powerful they were trying to compete with the other 30 cal magnums already out. Which they did and they dominated them with marketing. What i really hate today is people that are supposed to be experts spitting out untruths wether by ignorance or by design. SHAMEFUL
you are correct it's the necked down 375 h&h mag that gets the credit. mark and sam after work did the research/testing with the 300 prc & 300 win mag. conclusion was they both are dam near equal until the heavier bullets 220, 230 245 grain are used then the win mag walks all over the 300prc. they concluded that in the lighter bullets the 300prc holds a slight advantage but not by much. let em have it carl.....lol
Didn't you know that TH-cam makes everyone a genius at everything? Just read some of the comments by people actually swallowing some of the garbage posted by would-be experts and gurus, simply because they post a video. That's even more "SHAMEFUL".
Well, as far as my wife, If I am looking at another gun, I might make the comment that I don't need another gun. She says it isn't about needing it, do you want it? If you do, then get it. As far as this caliber, I don't need or want it. I have 8-10 rifles I haven't even pulled the trigger on. I do have ammo for every one. I also have two 300WMs and a 300 Weatherby mag and haven't had the opportunity to shoot either. At the yardage being discussed here, I would have to go out to I-20 along the shoulder and I don't think the law would appreciate that at all. All this is just to say, do what you want with whatever you want as long as you can afford it, it's legal, and you aren't hurting anyone. It sounds like there are some informed folks in this discussion. Just try not to give the wrong info, and if you do and didn't realize it, man up and admit it and we can go on. Pissing contests just usually get everyone pissed on. Ya'll have a great day and good shooting.:)
What he’s saying is what Hornady intended the 300 PRC to be. It’s not always the case. Mark did some actual testing to find some interesting results and discussed on MarkandSamAfterwork channel. Heres the video: th-cam.com/video/AhQmRk2jSeU/w-d-xo.html
I mean it makes sense for a people that are a paper pusher to go with a 300 prc. But when it comes down to it. I would go with a 300 win mag due being a staple like he said. It been around for some time, and things where to get dire, and things where to hit the fan, your more than likely to find ammo from a friendly when run out for coincidence.
Exactly. If for some insane reason I'd need MORE than what .300 win mag is capable of, I'm moving up to a .338 mag, not a 4% more effective version of the round I'm already running, lol.
@@mfallen4277 i don’t know a high volume reloader/shooter that uses any belted case because they are needless and stupid on a bolt action. Brass life on a saami 300wm is horrible because the headspace off the belt stretches brass excessive at the shoulder gap. It’s an enormously popular cartridge because most shooters using it shoot very few rounds and/or have someone else buying ammo.
@@mfallen4277 and 338 win mag (230eld-x) actually carries less energy than a 300prc 225 eld-x and the PRC runs away as distance gets longer. 338 win mag is not an upgrade.
The WinMag is still just fine. I killed a nice Mule deer with mine this year. The good news is when you can’t find 300 PRC, like now, I can buy 300 WinMag over the Internet at 20% less. Like I did today 4 boxes of premium ammo for $275. Still very expensive but now I know I’ll have ammo for next years hunts.
The biggest difference right now is that 300PRC is $7 a round where as 300WM is less than $2 a round. I think the 300PRC is great but I just cant afford to do high volume practice with it. It only takes 200 rounds and you’ve already spent $1400 on ammo
Way late to the game here, but the 300 WM is not a necked down 338 WM. That is called a 30/338 and was used 50+ years ago by the AMU in L/R competition. The 300 WM has the shoulder blown forward from the 30/338 and those two cartridges are not interchangeable.
Why 300 prc ? Why not 300 remington ultra mag or 300 Weatherby mag? I'm not understanding the 300prc when there are other 300 mags out there that perform spectacular on the game animals y'all described in your video.
All the ammo and reloading pimps have hoarded and are selling reloading components on line for many times normal retail prices. I asked a gun pimp at a show last weekend "how can you sleep at night asking $250.00 for 1000 Federal large rifle match primers"? His response, (wait for it)... "it's the market price, welcome to the real world"! I said "Faaah-Que, I'm sitting on 14k primers of all brands and I dont need the likes of you people"!
I’m just thankful we here in the US of A have so many cartridges to choose from. I love capitalism. I’m not allergic to options. I love that we can freely discuss firearms and ammo. It’s great that people who shoot 300WM can continue to shoot 300WM if they want to. It’s great that there are companies working hard to improve upon things. I don’t see any down side here.
How about the 300 ultra mag even more power then the 300 win mag but shot placement is key. I d like to know how it stacks up against the 300 ultra mag.
For the exact same bullet in comparison the PRC will get you 75-100 fps over the Win Mag. The RUM will get you an extra 200-300 fps over the Win Mag. The Rum burns up barrels a lot faster but hunters will never notice this as they normally don't shoot enough. The video we just watched is bullshit, nothing about the PRC case "supports the bullet for long range ballistics", Hornady paid money for that statement. A case can hold more powder, it can burn more efficient, and it can be short enough to seat a bullet out further allowing for more capacity and to get the bullet closer to the rifling of the barrel, that's about it. The PRC wins over the Win Mag as you can seat a bullet longer and still have it fit in a magazine, this is a well known limit for a reloader and it benefits people who buy factory bullets as well. When it comes down to the nut cutting in cartridges the only thing that is different is how fast will it push the bullet (gun powder capacity) and can I load a long bullet and still have it fit in the magazine (which the PRC does better than the Win Mag and the RUM). Anything else is just marketing hype and exaggerations.
@@ordman72 300 ultra set a few records in a few classes back in the day accuracy was not the issue it was short barrel life for the pros but still highly regarded buy custom gun builders as very accurate
Long Bullets in a 700 cut120 thou off bolt stop get 40 dollar wyatts mag box and shoot anything you want cheap and easy I shoot 220 plus Berger bullets in mine 3 to 5 “ groups at a thousand yards krieger barrel accurized action Mc millian stock nightforce scope at the moment out shooting my custom 6.5 x 284 we won’t even get in to my 338 edge not trying to say 300 ultra is the best cause it’s not but I am trying to say what’s possible ! Prc is just another new caliber to get everybody to buy another gun !!! It’s all marketing if they didn’t people wouldn’t have anything to argue about !!! Lol 👍
If anyone could help me out im wanting something to ethically take out big game (elk) out to 500 yards. Maybe further but id have to get more confident. But I would like something that I could also use for target shooting. Currently have a 6.5 creed and have hit 12x20 torsos at 1300 but want something that will shoot to a mile which is on my shooting bucket list.
Yeah, I’ll stick with the 300 WM. Ask my nephew who just had to have “the new thing” and paid $100 per box of ammo for elk hunting this year. Given rediculous times right now, but still…
Meanwhile, all the hunting 300 win mag in my area is $10 more than all of my 300prc.... Oh, how times have changed. It's not even price gouging, it's literally because of costs on the distributor side of things.
yep, I think logistically. The ammo will dry up during the next "crisis" unless you have all the components and piles of it. Special brass means buy A LOT! 300 WM been around awhile.
I have a lot of 300 win mag ammo (but no 300 mag rifles), and am looking into the Ruger 300 prc precision rifle. Can I shoot my 300 win mag ammo through the prc if I get it? I cant find ammo for sale anywhere for 300 prc atm online or locally.
Ya man... the PRC cartridges are tweaked to specifically accomodate the modern long high bc bullets... its not just the cartridge... PRC chambered barrels are cut and reamed to accomodate longer bullet protrusion. Also... if done right... a PRC rifle should have sufficient clearance in the magazine so that the magazine length does not restrict your OAL forcing you to have excessive bullet jump to the lands.
Don't listen to the naysayers whose wives won't let them buy another gun. Get the Ruger RPR in 300PRC & you will have zero regrets if you like nailing at 2k yds. For starters!
@@rascaliwmc I know this is super late, but spot on comment lol. People act like adding a 300 PRC to their collection is somehow a life and death decision... who cares! My Cadex is chambered in 300 PRC, and I've had so much fun shooting that thing out to distance that I ordered a hunting rifle chambered in it as well. Does this mean I'll never get a 300WM? Fuck no! Just means I'll invest in a bigger safe....
The 300 prc is not belted and should have a longer case life. But the cost and availability of ammo or brass kind of kills any advantages unless the manufacturer starts pricing those items like .300 win mag.
The 300 prc is a good round but . As you said more knock down power .. for big game ... has a little better bc,,,, but the 300 Weatherby and 300 rum and 30.378 28 Nosler.. have way more energy then the 300 prc
@@ibrahim10910 facts if the cartridge is a Weatherby barrel life is out the window, 300 PRC barrel life is pretty darn good for the performance you get from it
@@johnisgoodjohnisgreat5449 ,,, first hand experience counts. Top notch accuracy out of 6.5 - 284,, 284 Winchester, 300 Winchester magnum etc. are well under 1000 rounds. 223 WSSM barrel wears out within 500 shots. After that it is good enough for hunting but definitely not for target shooting at 1000 yards & upwards. 300 PRC case is + - same as 300 WM but without belt. Don’t expect target grade accuracy after 1000 shots.
@@ibrahim10910 it cracks me up a bit when people debate barrel life on a big powder-hungry magnum. A $600 barrel after nearly $6000 worth of ammo is not significant. If you’re a loader, you’re still burning around 80gr of powder (35c pre-panic, 3x-5x now) a premium bullet, primer, and brass that adds up. And you’re paying big money for expensive trips to a long range shooting location, or an expensive hunt. But yeah, barrel life is breaking the bank. Whatever.
Of course. The PRC is about balance and fitting with existing common actions and mags. There’s always something bigger, and if your primary criticism is just that something has more power, you really don’t understand cartridge design or selection.
Looking at the Winchester magnum, PRC and Norma stats in 220 gr it’s pretty close except the Norma. 4,000 ft/lbs vs 4,038. 100ft/s difference, not worth the price, and you can’t find it at store right now but it’s pre loaded with 220 grain bullets
Great sales pitch...people have been taking Elk, Moose, Eland, Bear, and every other large big game animals at ranges well over 400yds for over 60 years with 30-06Spr, 7mmRem Mag and 300 Win Mag. 300PRC = Yay, bigger bullets/twice the price!
I own 300 PRC Savage LRT with Shilen barrel. Much larger free bore for seating long bullets further out thus increasing case capacity. Not really suitable for bullets less than 180 grains yet can handle up to 250 grain boat tail bullets (e.g., Hornady target). Longer neck for holding long bullets. No belt. Magazine is finally up to modern day long bullets and can handle COAL up to 3.7 inches. Lapua brass available and/or can be made from RWS 8.68s brass.
@Reel-Lentless the 300wsm and 300saum are not even in the same ballpark as a long action magnums. If i wanted to shoot 180gr projectiles it would be in a 7mm. Its very simple, the 300prc was designed to push high BC 225gr and heavier bullets really far and really accurately. Put a 230gr bullet in a 300wsm and see how much case capacity you have and still be able to mag feed. Put a 230gr bullet in a 300wsm and you will go trans-sonic around 1400 yds. The 300prc stays supersonic past a mile. Is the 300prc the end all be all 30cal magnum......absolutely not....but it does things in "stock form" that the 300wm doesn't. I have 2 300wm and the 300prc does things i haven't been able to do with my win mags. And there are currently 2 factory ammo offerings btw. The 28nosler is a freak. It's one of the flatest shooting cartridges around. It does more with a 180gr projectile than any 30cal magnum does.
@Reel-Lentless the 7stw has a foot more drop at 500yds than the 28nosler if both are pushing a 150gr bullet. And their powder capacity is within a grain of h2o of being the same. Thats from my quick loads......I dont trust Google
@Reel-Lentless That's OK. They said that when FNH made their 5.7x28 pistol round. I still bought & carry the 5-7 anyways over 11 others incl my duty Beretta 92F & Colt 1911. Can't beat the knockdown power of the 5-7. Now American Eagle/Federal makes them & a much lesser cost, so can target more & carry my green/blue/red or black tips depending on the circumstances. I decided to go with the Ruger Precision Rifle when my choices we're of several calibers but hands down, glad I went with the 300PRC. At 1300yds w/ ease I couldn't do w/ my 338 Lapua at 900. It's a great flat round that doesn't want to quit. Yeah, I'm sold
300 prc is by technical standards better than 300 win mag in every way. But it’s only marginally better, to get significantly better than 300 win mag, you have to up to 300 RUM or 338 lapua, a lot of weatheby rounds in there too, but cost with all of these go way up, and general availability of rounds goes way down. For big hitting cartridges than will more than drop a bear, it’s hard to beat the 300 win mag with overall considerations. If you bring up hand loading, it’s still the same, the 300 win mag does handle 220 grain bullets just fine. And any animal shots over 400 yards also starts to become ethically questionable at the least. Unless your in ideal shooting position and a proven great shooter at that range, meaning holding a 6 inch group out there, it’s not something most people should consider.
I hear the new kiddies talking #1 mile . They are living in the T.v. and computer games lie. 400 yards is a long way. Most cannot do even that accurately. You're spot on. Over 400 yards ,prove to me you can hit the heart shot. Otherwise get back on your laptop, pffffft. Peace.
Let’s be honest... if you are always on the hunt for the next “best thing” buy the 300 PRC and be happy with it. But don’t tell me: 1. I’m an unethical hunter now that the PRC is out and hunting big game with my .300 WM. 2. The .300 WM isn’t good past 400 yards??? Don’t tell the uncountable animals taken past that. 3. I need a bigger magazine now that I’m shooting long range ammunition. Not true. Why do you need more than 1 bullet is my question. 4. Why am I going to buy something that has more recoil than my .300 WM??? 5. Dead with a 190g or a 225g bullet is still dead, right? Look don’t take my comments that the .300 PCR won’t outshoot a .300 WM, it will. But do you need it to is the question.
Here is an idea for a gun manufacturer. Take a 300wsm make the case diameter slightly larger and say 1/4 inch longer. We can call it the Ultra Short Mag. Let make the twist rate higher. Now we have a gun that beats the PRC. Genius.
300 prc really doesn't bring anything to the table. Without extensive training 300 yards should be the limit. 300 mag or even a 270 Winchester gotyou well covered!!!
Why not just bring in the 300 Weatherby Mag?!? It has a decent selection of ammo and the 300 PRC has 2 choices. Not to mention, it packs A LOT more down range!!! Anything the 300 PRC can do, the 300 Weatherby will ALWAYS do it BETTER!!!
Powder burning waste of money otherwise Winchester would have brought it out 70 yrs. ago. This is called “The law odf diminishing returns. Even the good old .300 Win. Is a bit overbore that is why the wsm makes a lot of sense. Very efficient! I still love ❤️ my old .300 win. but the truth is the truth🇨🇦🤠
Literally takes less than an hour to make the 300 win mag perform the exact same or better then the prc. The PRC is just a fad for those wanting the "hot and new"
In today's day and age, you can still find 300win mag ammo for a reasonable price, and it will dispatch any N. American species handily. I'm afraid all you have with a 300prc is a very expensive club with very little ammo availability. If you do find ammo, plan on a second mortgage on the farm! The hoarder auction pimps have all the ammo!
@@tun0fun won't the whole magazine structure of a 300win mag have to be redesigned to accept the longer OAL of the new and longer bullets? I can shoot cartridges loaded to the longer OAL, but only as a single shot. This is ok on a bench, but in a hunting situation I would like to have a magazine capable of additional follow up shots. If I wanted a single shot I'd buy a Ruger #1 etc.
If you want to single feed a 300 win mag you can partially get the same performance, however you still need the Freebore for the longer sleek bullets to be seated out of the brass. Might as well buy a prc unless you have a magnum length action to build off of that accepts longer loaded bullets in the magazine system. It's just a matter of money like everything else
My uncle dropped a moose 1 shot at 600y with a 308. 2 years ago I got my moose at 550 with my 300wm 1 shot in the lungs and the moose fell and didn't move. Sure the 300 prc would be cool so I can shoot 240gr bergers at a long coal but I like getting my ammo at canadian tire lol
Oh wow. I wouldn't trust a thing this man said. A 300 win mag is not a necked down 338win mag. The 300 is considerably longer. And....there's really no advantage over the 300win. Just marketing.
Like all the creedmore crap, it was the same thing when the 7mm08 came out years ago. It was the best thing since paper napkins, another song and dancebto sell more. For a few feet per second or a 20 gr heavier bullet.
Seriously I really don’t can’t explain to my why I need any 30 cal rifle, I’d have to agree with her on a no for this one, I don’t even see me coming with a good enough excuse as why need one with out of being an argument.
A lot of people couldn't handle the 300 wen so you think they're going to take the 300 PRC and be able to hit things if anything they should move down to a 270win
Prc has less throat erosion than other 30 cal magnums so it does have that and other benefits like the fact it's a 30 cal magnum that can use the heavy slugs without a magnum length action or reaming the throat. It also has a much tighter throat than the win mag which contributes to better more consistent accuracy.
You need to do some research before you make a TH-cam video that 300 win Mag is not a necked 338 win mag. It came from the 300 H& H magnum and 300 PRC is shorter than the 300 win mag and the 300 PRC is bigger around I have both there's 25 fps difference between the 2. No real average with the 300 PRC.
Or a 300 RUM. The PRC doesn't really do anything more than the rest of the more known magnum 30's out there. Hornady is just brilliant with marketing strategy. Look what they did with the creedmore. That creed cream is some powerful stuff.
if it cant be done with the old 300 WM or 7mm Rem mag, maybe need to put the apron on and head back to the kitchen.......? marketing, latest & greatest. will it fall to the wayside. will it take off and become popular?? I wont hold my breath.
The 300 win mag has more than enough punch to kill an elk beyond 1200 yards, way further than anybody can ethically shoot an elk with any gun. That's not hunting. I routinely shoot 200 grain bullets at 600 yards to better than 1/2 MOA. I will shoot further, when I figure out where to put the targets. The 300 PRC does have it's advantages, but IMO, those advantages are for long range target competition. I would rather hunt elk and moose with the 300 WM than the 300 PRC. Either will kill a griz too, but the 338 WM would be even better than either for that. I routinely hunt in griz country, and I don't feel under gunned with my 300 WM. 300 Win Mag = a better hunting rifle; 300 PRC = a better target rifle. Of course either is great for both.
A PRC would be logical in central to eastern Montana whereas a Win Mag would be perfect in the western side of the state, shorter shots of 100 to roughly 400 yards, depends on if you’re shooting across a ridge or a draw. Both rounds carry practical and logical use. A great round and a great compliment to a smaller round such as my Tikka 30-06.
but the 300rum is better there are 245 grain & 250 grain .30. Watch Mark & Sam after work .ON TH-cam he shoots all 3 & he is not paid by or work for any company300WIN MAG v300PFC V 300RUM .YOU NEED TO SEE THE GROUP HE GOT WITH THE 300RUM AT 3700 YARDS
He has chambers that are custom fit and magazines that will hold those rounds. ZERO factory rifles in 300RUM will fit a 245-250 bullet to it's potential in the chamber much less the magazine. The rules for custom guns and reloaders don't apply to factory guns and bullets. The PRC excels in this combo, Hornady got it right. That being said I shoot a 300 Norma Improved and not a PRC.
Just watched their video. That Aussie was using Hornady brass for the PRC (nothing against him, product is limited down there) which is absolute dogshit. Last batch I tried from them you could seat a primer with a #2 pencil eraser. It wasn't a good comparison.
@@davidorpwood8433 None of us use a magazine when we shoot for fun. It deforms the bullets in the mag. One of the reasons people run single shots. There are no factory 245-250 bullets for a RUM, it's not possible. The RUM is obsolete. There are better offerings available. That's why he is running a 300 Norma now. Did you know 300 RUMs burn a barrel out in 800 rounds?
No! You are going to have to do A TON more than put a 9tw barrel on a 300wm to beat a 300prc. The 308norma "yes 308norma" comes closer but still doesn't beat it. The 300norma can beat it but you start dealing with lapua size actions and thats kinda like comparing apples and potatoes and its beating it by raw horsepower not efficiency. Same can be said for the 300RUM. If you compare SAMMI spec chambers you will see that the 300prc has a .3088" throat while the 300wm has a .315" throat. Now thats not throwing a hot dog down a hallway but .007" vs .0008" is a lot of slop. Also the 300prc has a neck thats .320" long "so over a caliber in length" and the 300wm has a neck length of .264". Short necks don't lend themselves to holding long high BC bullets well and concentricity issues may occur. Also if you put a 230gr bullet in a 300wm case with a COAL 3.40" "which is standard" that bullet will be eating up case capacity which the 300prc already has more of even with a 230gr bullet. Now to that 3.40" COAL....its going to be hard but not impossible to find a factory long action chambered in 300wm with an internal magazine length much longer than 3.40". So even if you wanted to seat a 230gr bullet where the bullet base was at the neck/shoulder junction in that 300wm, it would be to long to fit in something like a model 70 or Remington 700 without modification to the stock. The 30Nosler hobbled itself by sticking to the standard 3.40" length also. The 300prc is 3.70" long and most production rifles with a detachable box magazine come C.I.P length or 3.850". Can you get a custom chambered 300wm with a 9"tw barrel and shoot 220-250gr bullets? Absolutely! But good luck ever shooting factory ammo in that chamber. Im gonna also go ahead and mention the pointless belt on the 300wm....but if you know how to reload the 300wm optimally, the belt is just sitting there doing nothing anyway. The 300prc has more "built in" accuracy than a 300wm. Thats not to say that the 300wm is dead or outdated. The 300wm is the benchmark by which ALL magnums are measured not just the 30cal magnums. I've shot from 130gr to 215gr bullets in a 300wm and at hunting distances "-500yds" that elk or deer isn't going to be more dead with a 300prc OR a 300wm. If you want to push 180gr 30cal projectiles.....not much does it better than the ol' win mag. But remember that the 300wm was designed to be a "magnum 30-06". The 338wm and the 264wm both came out before the 300wm, and thats partially because the 308norma was already on the scene. The 300wm stuck around over the 308norma because of more production rifles being chambered in 300wm. If you want to keep a 225gr bullet with a BC in the .700s supersonic past a mile then the 300prc is the way to go. A 225gr eld bullet at 2850fps is in 338lapua territory. If you are going to shoot an elk at 250yds then ANY of the .300 magnums will do the job just as well as the next.
Kirk Martin I get your point(s)(s)(s)(s) sir but understand the 300 wm has stood the test of time and still remains valid. We shall see if the 300PRC shall stand the test of time as well but I have my money on the 300 wm 😉. Now the 6.5 PRC, different animal but highly impressive.
@@MDROWDYRIDES with hornady behind it im sure the 300prc will last. F class guys have been shooting 30/375 rugers for about 10 years for a reason. The 6.5prc and 6.5saum are a similar and with the 6.5 craze going strong i don't see it going anyway. The 300wm is never going anywhere especially in hunting circles. Like I said before....inside 500yds they are almost identical. You get past 1k and the PRC and is ability to push high BC bullets takes over. Im doing things with my PRC that I've never had success with in 20 years with my 300wm.
The 300 win mag can actually get more velocity than the 300 PRC with bullets over 230 grains. Check out Mark and Sam After Work. They have tested both of these rounds at over 3000 yards.
After watching MarkandSamAfterWork’s extensive ELR videos in the blistering winds of open hilly Australia comparing 300 WM to PRC, I’ll gladly stick with my 300 WM and save a boatload of money👌🏼
I was just about to go there next. Thanks for saving me some time.
I agree 100%, those young guys will climb on any new wagon and think it is the greatest without any real life testing.
Life is too short to buy cheap guns and ammo...just an average Joe here.
My HMR wilderness in the 300prc kicks ass. Awesome shooting rifle
Long range only did a pretty extensive test on two similar rifles in .300 Win mag and 300 PRC, the difference was negligible. Not saying it isn't good, seems a well designed and thought out cartridge, but it doesn't "blow the doors" off the Win mag. With the Win mag you have a huge selection of components and generally better availability of brass and the ability to make brass from other belted calibers if need be. With the PRC you have no belt, which matters to some people, and a little more powder capacity, about a grain less than .300 Weatherby as I understand it. Shoot what you like 👍 and enjoy.
The belted case is a big deal for the reloaders. It’s one of the biggest reasons to switch from 300wm
@@turnerables totally agree. 300prc is 300wm minus the 1890s case designed for double rifles. Brass life is much worse for 300wm
@@G5Hohn What you forgett is twist rate. If you buy a factory 300 winmag you generaly get a 1:10 twist but a 1:8 for the PRC.
For custom rifles it does not matter, but for people buying a factory rifle it does.
Same reason 6.5 CM is a better pick then older 6.5 calibers, wich was 1:8.66 or 1:9.
@@jmkhenka I didn’t mention it but I definitely don’t forget that twist is another major advantage for PRC vs the ancient and terrible case design of the wm.
@@turnerables I’m a reloader, I don’t see what the downside of belted cases is??
Concentrate on the production and supply of the guns we already can't get!!!
One think ill add about these new cartridges that have come out in the last 10 or 20 years is availability . I lived in Alaska for 41 years and can say that if you hunt out of one of the villages hopefully you brought the right ammo or didn't forget ammo or what ever..These small villages usually only carry the more popular cartridges.
A few questions:
1) Why does your explanation of the advantage of the. 300PRC start with "if you are shooting at big game animals over 400 yards that weigh over 1000 lbs"? Is that even really ethical for the "non-professional" hunter? By "non-professional", I mean someone who is not a representative for a firearm or firearm ammunition manufacturer, or a professional guide/outfitter.
2) How well does the .300 PRC stack up with the .300 WM at less than 400 yards? Say, 300 yards?
3) What is the cost of a .300 PRC rifle compared to a production .300 WM? What is the cost of a box of production ammo for .300 PRC compared to a box of production 300 WM?
4) What is the availability of .300 PRC ammo in fairly remote hunting areas as compared to .300 WM?
I watch a lot of outdoor TV shows, Hornady sponsors many of them. To me, this looks like a really strong marketing campaign to sell hunters a new thing that they really don't need. I've been shooting a .300 WM for more than 25 years. If I'm not a good enough hunter to get within 250 - 300 yards of the game I'm hunting, I don't take the shot.
Since no one’s answered you I figured I would..
1. What does ethics have to do with anything? There’s no such thing really as a “professional “ hunter. You have experienced hunters and not so experienced hunters
2. The .300 win mag was designed as a hunting caliber after the 300hh mag and the 270 mag and 300weatherby mag and 338 Winchester mag. Although the 300 win mag is cheaper to produce, the prior Cartridges did their job better than the 300 win mag. So specifically to your question. There’s something called maximum point blank range. MPBR is a measurement of The distance in yards a projectile can travel without rising or falling more than a predetermined measurement above or below at the point of aim. The only difference at short distance is the 300prc fires a larger bullet.
3. Rifle cost are about the same as time or writing this. Ammo for the 300winnmag in my area runs about $55/20 rounds and the 300prc if you can find it is around $10 more.
4. I don’t know what your definition of “remote” is. I will say the 300prc is difficult to find right now as it’s the new and cool. I was just able to buy 5 boxes for $67 a box yesterday. The 300 win mag is easier to find. To address part two of your question, Hornady designed this round Specifically for long range competition shooting. It’s not designed to hunt with although you can. That’s the difference in a nutshell. The 300winnmag was designed for hunting over 60 years ago. The 300 prc shoots a bigger projectile with a better ballistic coefficient meaning it resists air better than the 300nwinmag. If you’re hunting white tail at 300yrds your win mag is over kill..a plain old 308 works fine. If you want to take an elk at 1200 yards? Use a 300prc.
@@SlippyTweasel Thank you for your response. To address the points you brought up... Yes, it is new and cool, no argument. I understand that it's designed for long range competition, hence the emphasis of the heavier bullets and higher ballistic coefficient. However, in a hunting rifle that doesn't matter much inside 400 yards or so. I am a relatively experienced hunter and I refrain from shots over about 250 yards as a general rule and I try to shoot less than 200 in most cases. I'd rather not take a shot than take a shot at an animal, wound it, and then take an hour or more to get to where it was when I fired. As far as the .300 WinMag being over kill for whitetail deer, I couldn't agree more. I don't use the .300wm for anything smaller than elk in North America, I do like to carry it as my primary rifle in Africa for most plains game. In North America I generally shoot one of 3 rifles for big game smaller than elk. Depending on what type of terrain I'm hunting, I shoot either a .35 Rem in a Marlin 336, a 7x57 Mauser in a Ruger No.1 or a 25-06 in a really nice Kimber. Again, thank you for responding. Have a great day!
Here's another question for you... Which is more effective in a 12 gauge shotgun, 00 buck shot or #1 buck shot? 00 buck shot is 9, .33 caliber pellets in a 2 3/4 inch load. No. 1 buck shot is 16, .30 caliber pellets in a 2 3/4 inch load. Both at roughly the same velocity. What do you think?
All Hornady hype. They are the masters of marketing. Good for them. 300 Weatherby‘s been doing this for a long time.
Not only the 300 weatherby but all weatherby calibers
The 300 PRC is a awesome cartridge, mainly because Hornady sells match grade ammunition for it over the counter and a lot of other rounds in this category of rifle need to be hand loaded to reach the same ballistic consistency, and precision. Do your research before you spit facts especially when your a pro because a 300 win mag is actually a necked down blown out version of the 375 H&H not a 338 win mag I own both and their casings are nothing alike. No matter what new flair they put on the 300 the 300 win mag will always be the long range GOAT and it’s been doing it for over 50 years
available now, guarantee the ammo manufacturers will shift production lines to more common ammo. We've seen it happen to many times.
Winchester wanted a 30 magnum that could be cheaper to produce. That meant no longer needing “magnum length”actions for a 300 H&H. It was 1962 and they were exploring options to cheapen production. In 1964 the “new” but not improved model 70s followed suit. Of interesting fact, 300 H&H handles the heavies just fine. I like the 300 PRC. There isn’t anything the 300 PRC won’t do that 300 weatherby can’t. Which was based off of... a 300 H&H. 300 win mag has always been a compromise with their short neck to fit in an action length. The 300 WSM is efficient, more so than the 300 Win Mag. The 300 H&H ballistically matches the 300 WSM but shoots the heavies better. Again a compromise. Again I like the 300 PRC. The comparison should be made with a weatherby.
If you already have a good shooting 300win you hunt with , you don't need a 300prc . Loaded with hunting bullets they will do the same thing & the animals won't know the difference. Long range target shooting & the 300prc has a slight advantage ! Cheers and keep on shooting
Havnt read all the comments but he looses credability right away..... first of all the 300 win mag is not a 338 necked down that would be a 30-338 which never took hold. Second winchester wasnt trying to make an 06 a little more powerful they were trying to compete with the other 30 cal magnums already out. Which they did and they dominated them with marketing. What i really hate today is people that are supposed to be experts spitting out untruths wether by ignorance or by design. SHAMEFUL
you are correct it's the necked down 375 h&h mag that gets the credit. mark and sam after work did the research/testing with the 300 prc & 300 win mag. conclusion was they both are dam near equal until the heavier bullets 220, 230 245 grain are used then the win mag walks all over the 300prc. they concluded that in the lighter bullets the 300prc holds a slight advantage but not by much. let em have it carl.....lol
@@zl1booker I haven't seen that vid of theirs. I'll be sure to check it out.
Way over priced ammo if you can find it
Didn't you know that TH-cam makes everyone a genius at everything? Just read some of the comments by people actually swallowing some of the garbage posted by would-be experts and gurus, simply because they post a video. That's even more "SHAMEFUL".
The TH-cam world.
Short & sweet video. Thanks.
Well, as far as my wife, If I am looking at another gun, I might make the comment that I don't need another gun. She says it isn't about needing it, do you want it? If you do, then get it.
As far as this caliber, I don't need or want it. I have 8-10 rifles I haven't even pulled the trigger on.
I do have ammo for every one. I also have two 300WMs and a 300 Weatherby mag and haven't had the opportunity to shoot either. At the yardage being discussed here, I would have to go out to I-20 along the shoulder and I don't think the law would appreciate that at all.
All this is just to say, do what you want with whatever you want as long as you can afford it, it's legal, and you aren't hurting anyone.
It sounds like there are some informed folks in this discussion. Just try not to give the wrong info, and if you do and didn't realize it, man up and admit it and we can go on.
Pissing contests just usually get everyone pissed on.
Ya'll have a great day and good shooting.:)
What he’s saying is what Hornady intended the 300 PRC to be. It’s not always the case. Mark did some actual testing to find some interesting results and discussed on MarkandSamAfterwork channel. Heres the video: th-cam.com/video/AhQmRk2jSeU/w-d-xo.html
I'll check that out right now - cheers!
Can't live without 300PRC...
And 28 Nosler...
And 6.5 Manbun...
"Hi, we'd like to sell more rifles, so here's a fraternal twin to the 300 Win Mag ..."
I mean it makes sense for a people that are a paper pusher to go with a 300 prc. But when it comes down to it. I would go with a 300 win mag due being a staple like he said. It been around for some time, and things where to get dire, and things where to hit the fan, your more than likely to find ammo from a friendly when run out for coincidence.
I’m going to order the wilderness 300prc but I want the fluted bolt how do I know Ill get that is there a new product number for the new Version?
Mark & Sam proved other wise. Slightly faster twist and 300 Win Mag can shoot heavier bullets. And it out performs the 300 PRC. Not by much.
Federal makes some gold medal 300WM using the 215 Berger
300 win mag will do about all you would need a rifle do.
Exactly. If for some insane reason I'd need MORE than what .300 win mag is capable of, I'm moving up to a .338 mag, not a 4% more effective version of the round I'm already running, lol.
Exactly, if I need more than what my .300 win mag can't do, I'll use my M82A1.
@@mfallen4277 i don’t know a high volume reloader/shooter that uses any belted case because they are needless and stupid on a bolt action. Brass life on a saami 300wm is horrible because the headspace off the belt stretches brass excessive at the shoulder gap. It’s an enormously popular cartridge because most shooters using it shoot very few rounds and/or have someone else buying ammo.
@@mfallen4277 and 338 win mag (230eld-x) actually carries less energy than a 300prc 225 eld-x and the PRC runs away as distance gets longer. 338 win mag is not an upgrade.
@@G5Hohn Lmao he gunna downgrade to the .338 win mag XD
The WinMag is still just fine. I killed a nice Mule deer with mine this year. The good news is when you can’t find 300 PRC, like now, I can buy 300 WinMag over the Internet at 20% less. Like I did today 4 boxes of premium ammo for $275. Still very expensive but now I know I’ll have ammo for next years hunts.
Will a 300 PRC round fit in my Remington 300 Winchester magnum
I like the 300 Winchester Magnum the best
The biggest difference right now is that 300PRC is $7 a round where as 300WM is less than $2 a round. I think the 300PRC is great but I just cant afford to do high volume practice with it. It only takes 200 rounds and you’ve already spent $1400 on ammo
Where do you live where you're paying $7 a round for PRC ammo?! That's insane
@@justicebronks4249 everywhere now....
Dang, prices have come way down. Tons of 300 PRC rounds on AmmoSeek for around $2.25 a pop. 300 WM running around $1.45 a round on the same site.
Way late to the game here, but the 300 WM is not a necked down 338 WM. That is called a 30/338 and was used 50+ years ago by the AMU in L/R competition. The 300 WM has the shoulder blown forward from the 30/338 and those two cartridges are not interchangeable.
Why 300 prc ? Why not 300 remington ultra mag or 300 Weatherby mag? I'm not understanding the 300prc when there are other 300 mags out there that perform spectacular on the game animals y'all described in your video.
Buy all the Hornaday Precision Hunter Ammo you can find.. ITS LIKE GOLD.
All the ammo and reloading pimps have hoarded and are selling reloading components on line for many times normal retail prices. I asked a gun pimp at a show last weekend "how can you sleep at night asking $250.00 for 1000 Federal large rifle match primers"?
His response, (wait for it)... "it's the market price, welcome to the real world"!
I said "Faaah-Que, I'm sitting on 14k primers of all brands and I dont need the likes of you people"!
Will The 300PRC fit in a rem 300wm
I’m just thankful we here in the US of A have so many cartridges to choose from. I love capitalism. I’m not allergic to options. I love that we can freely discuss firearms and ammo. It’s great that people who shoot 300WM can continue to shoot 300WM if they want to. It’s great that there are companies working hard to improve upon things. I don’t see any down side here.
How about the 300 ultra mag even more power then the 300 win mag but shot placement is key. I d like to know how it stacks up against the 300 ultra mag.
The prc has a longer neck, so it supports the long range bullets better without intruding into the lands.
For the exact same bullet in comparison the PRC will get you 75-100 fps over the Win Mag. The RUM will get you an extra 200-300 fps over the Win Mag. The Rum burns up barrels a lot faster but hunters will never notice this as they normally don't shoot enough. The video we just watched is bullshit, nothing about the PRC case "supports the bullet for long range ballistics", Hornady paid money for that statement. A case can hold more powder, it can burn more efficient, and it can be short enough to seat a bullet out further allowing for more capacity and to get the bullet closer to the rifling of the barrel, that's about it. The PRC wins over the Win Mag as you can seat a bullet longer and still have it fit in a magazine, this is a well known limit for a reloader and it benefits people who buy factory bullets as well. When it comes down to the nut cutting in cartridges the only thing that is different is how fast will it push the bullet (gun powder capacity) and can I load a long bullet and still have it fit in the magazine (which the PRC does better than the Win Mag and the RUM). Anything else is just marketing hype and exaggerations.
@@ordman72 300 ultra set a few records in a few classes back in the day accuracy was not the issue it was short barrel life for the pros but still highly regarded buy custom gun builders as very accurate
Long Bullets in a 700 cut120 thou off bolt stop get 40 dollar wyatts mag box and shoot anything you want cheap and easy I shoot 220 plus Berger bullets in mine 3 to 5 “ groups at a thousand yards krieger barrel accurized action Mc millian stock nightforce scope at the moment out shooting my custom 6.5 x 284 we won’t even get in to my 338 edge not trying to say 300 ultra is the best cause it’s not but I am trying to say what’s possible ! Prc is just another new caliber to get everybody to buy another gun !!! It’s all marketing if they didn’t people wouldn’t have anything to argue about !!! Lol 👍
Ultra mag is an extremely inefficient cartridge.
300 PRC is awesome but you can load a 300 winmag to do same or near same. I run 212 gn eld-x in my 300 wm and it loves it.
There's lots of 300's.....But the 300 Winchester is my favorite because of recoil.. i live it.... Great gun
There is no problem at all shooting 225gr ELDM in a 300WM case, out of 30", MV is north of 3000fps
If anyone could help me out im wanting something to ethically take out big game (elk) out to 500 yards. Maybe further but id have to get more confident. But I would like something that I could also use for target shooting. Currently have a 6.5 creed and have hit 12x20 torsos at 1300 but want something that will shoot to a mile which is on my shooting bucket list.
6.5 cm with proper shot placement will take elk at that distance.
@@wildernessoutdoors6875 do people do handloads for that though cause I only run factory ammo.
@@jaredthompson8188 factory ammo is pretty good for the 6.5. I’ve seen elk taken at longer ranges and great penetration on quartering shots.
.338 lapua mag 👌
@@hoffmiermp lol
@Bergaraus can I use the 300PRC in my Remington 300 Win Mag rifle?
No sir.
Don't let him tell you what to do, be a man.
Yeah, I’ll stick with the 300 WM. Ask my nephew who just had to have “the new thing” and paid $100 per box of ammo for elk hunting this year. Given rediculous times right now, but still…
Meanwhile, all the hunting 300 win mag in my area is $10 more than all of my 300prc.... Oh, how times have changed. It's not even price gouging, it's literally because of costs on the distributor side of things.
yep, I think logistically. The ammo will dry up during the next "crisis" unless you have all the components and piles of it. Special brass means buy A LOT! 300 WM been around awhile.
Sold off my 300 win mag for 300 PRC. Glad I did.
I have a lot of 300 win mag ammo (but no 300 mag rifles), and am looking into the Ruger 300 prc precision rifle. Can I shoot my 300 win mag ammo through the prc if I get it? I cant find ammo for sale anywhere for 300 prc atm online or locally.
Ya man... the PRC cartridges are tweaked to specifically accomodate the modern long high bc bullets... its not just the cartridge... PRC chambered barrels are cut and reamed to accomodate longer bullet protrusion. Also... if done right... a PRC rifle should have sufficient clearance in the magazine so that the magazine length does not restrict your OAL forcing you to have excessive bullet jump to the lands.
Love my 300 prc
It's all you need
You could get a man's cartridge 30- 378 Weatherby mag
I need a 300prc. On my top 5 next to get
You should do a paper plate video 300 RUM vs 300 PRC
Don't listen to the naysayers whose wives won't let them buy another gun. Get the Ruger RPR in 300PRC & you will have zero regrets if you like nailing at 2k yds. For starters!
@@rascaliwmc I know this is super late, but spot on comment lol. People act like adding a 300 PRC to their collection is somehow a life and death decision... who cares! My Cadex is chambered in 300 PRC, and I've had so much fun shooting that thing out to distance that I ordered a hunting rifle chambered in it as well. Does this mean I'll never get a 300WM? Fuck no! Just means I'll invest in a bigger safe....
The 300 prc is not belted and should have a longer case life. But the cost and availability of ammo or brass kind of kills any advantages unless the manufacturer starts pricing those items like .300 win mag.
You can keep it. My 300 RUM does it all. AND I have brass and bullets and powder and primers. With todays ammo shortage you are better off with a 308.
Honestly, 300 RUM could take a large 1,000+ pound animal just as easily as the 300 PRC at long ranges!
The 300 prc is a good round but . As you said more knock down power .. for big game ... has a little better bc,,,, but the 300 Weatherby and 300 rum and 30.378 28 Nosler.. have way more energy then the 300 prc
Way more energy AND way more wear & tear on barrel.
@@ibrahim10910 facts if the cartridge is a Weatherby barrel life is out the window, 300 PRC barrel life is pretty darn good for the performance you get from it
@@johnisgoodjohnisgreat5449 ,,, first hand experience counts. Top notch accuracy out of 6.5 - 284,, 284 Winchester, 300 Winchester magnum etc. are well under 1000 rounds. 223 WSSM barrel wears out within 500 shots. After that it is good enough for hunting but definitely not for target shooting at 1000 yards & upwards. 300 PRC case is + - same as 300 WM but without belt. Don’t expect target grade accuracy after 1000 shots.
@@ibrahim10910 it cracks me up a bit when people debate barrel life on a big powder-hungry magnum. A $600 barrel after nearly $6000 worth of ammo is not significant. If you’re a loader, you’re still burning around 80gr of powder (35c pre-panic, 3x-5x now) a premium bullet, primer, and brass that adds up. And you’re paying big money for expensive trips to a long range shooting location, or an expensive hunt. But yeah, barrel life is breaking the bank. Whatever.
Of course. The PRC is about balance and fitting with existing common actions and mags. There’s always something bigger, and if your primary criticism is just that something has more power, you really don’t understand cartridge design or selection.
Why dont you offer and compare it to the 300 weatherby mag? Thats the real 30 cal. I dont understand why people by a 300 win mag?
Looking at the Winchester magnum, PRC and Norma stats in 220 gr it’s pretty close except the Norma. 4,000 ft/lbs vs 4,038. 100ft/s difference, not worth the price, and you can’t find it at store right now but it’s pre loaded with 220 grain bullets
6.5 PRC and 300 PRC with Berger Hunting type bullets
Great sales pitch...people have been taking Elk, Moose, Eland, Bear, and every other large big game animals at ranges well over 400yds for over 60 years with 30-06Spr, 7mmRem Mag and 300 Win Mag. 300PRC = Yay, bigger bullets/twice the price!
300 winmag from 230 grains + (likes heavy)
300 WSM just right
300 Prc under 230 grains (likes lightweight)
I own 300 PRC Savage LRT with Shilen barrel. Much larger free bore for seating long bullets further out thus increasing case capacity. Not really suitable for bullets less than 180 grains yet can handle up to 250 grain boat tail bullets (e.g., Hornady target). Longer neck for holding long bullets. No belt. Magazine is finally up to modern day long bullets and can handle COAL up to 3.7 inches. Lapua brass available and/or can be made from RWS 8.68s brass.
Thanks for the Video. I haven't been it West for a minute but, how would his round shake up agains a 28-30 nosler round?
@Reel-Lentless the 300wsm and 300saum are not even in the same ballpark as a long action magnums. If i wanted to shoot 180gr projectiles it would be in a 7mm. Its very simple, the 300prc was designed to push high BC 225gr and heavier bullets really far and really accurately. Put a 230gr bullet in a 300wsm and see how much case capacity you have and still be able to mag feed. Put a 230gr bullet in a 300wsm and you will go trans-sonic around 1400 yds. The 300prc stays supersonic past a mile. Is the 300prc the end all be all 30cal magnum......absolutely not....but it does things in "stock form" that the 300wm doesn't. I have 2 300wm and the 300prc does things i haven't been able to do with my win mags. And there are currently 2 factory ammo offerings btw.
The 28nosler is a freak. It's one of the flatest shooting cartridges around. It does more with a 180gr projectile than any 30cal magnum does.
@Reel-Lentless the 7stw has a foot more drop at 500yds than the 28nosler if both are pushing a 150gr bullet. And their powder capacity is within a grain of h2o of being the same. Thats from my quick loads......I dont trust Google
@Reel-Lentless That's OK. They said that when FNH made their 5.7x28 pistol round. I still bought & carry the 5-7 anyways over 11 others incl my duty Beretta 92F & Colt 1911. Can't beat the knockdown power of the 5-7. Now American Eagle/Federal makes them & a much lesser cost, so can target more & carry my green/blue/red or black tips depending on the circumstances. I decided to go with the Ruger Precision Rifle when my choices we're of several calibers but hands down, glad I went with the 300PRC. At 1300yds w/ ease I couldn't do w/ my 338 Lapua at 900. It's a great flat round that doesn't want to quit. Yeah, I'm sold
28 Nosler is a good round but a real barrel burner.
Guys are going the other way, 30-28 nosler. It's the full length 28 nosler case with a .30 bullet
I'm not shooting 15 to 1800 yd
So... The price comparison?
I'm reloading 300 Win Mag and 300 PRC with the same 230 grain a tip bullets, I don't see a difference in parameters
When will you offer the 7mm PRC?
We just announced the addition to 7 PRC in our lineup last week!
GREAT!!! In the Premier Canyon with 24-inch plus the muzzle break? That is what I am looking for. Or will the 7PRC mostly be in model B14 lineup?
300 prc is by technical standards better than 300 win mag in every way. But it’s only marginally better, to get significantly better than 300 win mag, you have to up to 300 RUM or 338 lapua, a lot of weatheby rounds in there too, but cost with all of these go way up, and general availability of rounds goes way down. For big hitting cartridges than will more than drop a bear, it’s hard to beat the 300 win mag with overall considerations. If you bring up hand loading, it’s still the same, the 300 win mag does handle 220 grain bullets just fine. And any animal shots over 400 yards also starts to become ethically questionable at the least. Unless your in ideal shooting position and a proven great shooter at that range, meaning holding a 6 inch group out there, it’s not something most people should consider.
I hear the new kiddies talking #1 mile . They are living in the T.v. and computer games lie. 400 yards is a long way. Most cannot do even that accurately. You're spot on. Over 400 yards ,prove to me you can hit the heart shot. Otherwise get back on your laptop, pffffft. Peace.
Sierra makes a 240 grain option as well.
I like the 300 win mag
Let’s be honest... if you are always on the hunt for the next “best thing” buy the 300 PRC and be happy with it. But don’t tell me:
1. I’m an unethical hunter now that the PRC is out and hunting big game with my .300 WM.
2. The .300 WM isn’t good past 400 yards??? Don’t tell the uncountable animals taken past that.
3. I need a bigger magazine now that I’m shooting long range ammunition. Not true. Why do you need more than 1 bullet is my question.
4. Why am I going to buy something that has more recoil than my .300 WM???
5. Dead with a 190g or a 225g bullet is still dead, right?
Look don’t take my comments that the .300 PCR won’t outshoot a .300 WM, it will. But do you need it to is the question.
Regarding number 3. I want more than 1 round because we have a bill of rights not a bill of needs.
Here is an idea for a gun manufacturer. Take a 300wsm make the case diameter slightly larger and say 1/4 inch longer. We can call it the Ultra Short Mag. Let make the twist rate higher. Now we have a gun that beats the PRC. Genius.
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300 prc really doesn't bring anything to the table. Without extensive training 300 yards should be the limit. 300 mag or even a 270 Winchester gotyou well covered!!!
Why not just bring in the 300 Weatherby Mag?!? It has a decent selection of ammo and the 300 PRC has 2 choices. Not to mention, it packs A LOT more down range!!! Anything the 300 PRC
can do, the 300 Weatherby will ALWAYS do it BETTER!!!
Except barrel life
300 PRC nice but it's precision rifle
The 30-06 chambered rifles with a good 200gr bullet, is ALL that is needed, period for mister Moose.
Powder burning waste of money otherwise Winchester would have brought it out 70 yrs. ago. This is called “The law odf diminishing returns. Even the good old .300 Win. Is a bit overbore that is why the wsm makes a lot of sense. Very efficient! I still love ❤️ my old .300 win. but the truth is the truth🇨🇦🤠
I love my 300 WSM.
Literally takes less than an hour to make the 300 win mag perform the exact same or better then the prc. The PRC is just a fad for those wanting the "hot and new"
In today's day and age, you can still find 300win mag ammo for a reasonable price, and it will dispatch any N. American species handily.
I'm afraid all you have with a 300prc is a very expensive club with very little ammo availability. If you do find ammo, plan on a second mortgage on the farm! The hoarder auction pimps have all the ammo!
@@tun0fun won't the whole magazine structure of a 300win mag have to be redesigned to accept the longer OAL of the new and longer bullets? I can shoot cartridges loaded to the longer OAL, but only as a single shot. This is ok on a bench, but in a hunting situation I would like to have a magazine capable of additional follow up shots. If I wanted a single shot I'd buy a Ruger #1 etc.
If you want to single feed a 300 win mag you can partially get the same performance, however you still need the Freebore for the longer sleek bullets to be seated out of the brass. Might as well buy a prc unless you have a magnum length action to build off of that accepts longer loaded bullets in the magazine system. It's just a matter of money like everything else
You shouldn’t be shooting at anything over 400 yds. Learn how to hunt. A .303 brit. Would be enough🇨🇦🤠
If at 400yds the deer doesnt know you are there then why not 600yds? Still doesnt know you are there.
Hell, I reload for the 7.62x54r with remarkable accuracy, beats the .308 overall imo.
@@hoffmiermp mine also very good shooter🇨🇦🤠
My uncle dropped a moose 1 shot at 600y with a 308. 2 years ago I got my moose at 550 with my 300wm 1 shot in the lungs and the moose fell and didn't move. Sure the 300 prc would be cool so I can shoot 240gr bergers at a long coal but I like getting my ammo at canadian tire lol
Oh wow. I wouldn't trust a thing this man said. A 300 win mag is not a necked down 338win mag. The 300 is considerably longer. And....there's really no advantage over the 300win. Just marketing.
Why make a new calibre and make it near impossible to buy ammo ?
I have the PRC...I did not want a belted magnum. I have a video up on the recoil, it kicks :))
what about the most dangerous animal of all time a dogman? A 7mm remington will barely take one down with a head shot, we need quite a bit more power.
Like all the creedmore crap, it was the same thing when the 7mm08 came out years ago. It was the best thing since paper napkins, another song and dancebto sell more. For a few feet per second or a 20 gr heavier bullet.
Wish you made a left hand gun in stainless.
Or you can just load a 300 wm to a proper length and not the saami spec and have pretty much the same thing lol
True, but now my factory rifle is a single shot.
Does he work for Hornady, sounds like it the 300 prc has not proved advantage over the 300 WM, not in the testing ive seen, it's apples and oranges.
Seriously I really don’t can’t explain to my why I need any 30 cal rifle, I’d have to agree with her on a no for this one, I don’t even see me coming with a good enough excuse as why need one with out of being an argument.
Do you even english?
A lot of people couldn't handle the 300 wen so you think they're going to take the 300 PRC and be able to hit things if anything they should move down to a 270win
hype of a new caliber , it has literaly no benefits over the WM , you want more power go for a RUM or norma mag
Prc has less throat erosion than other 30 cal magnums so it does have that and other benefits like the fact it's a 30 cal magnum that can use the heavy slugs without a magnum length action or reaming the throat. It also has a much tighter throat than the win mag which contributes to better more consistent accuracy.
Fitting long heavy bullets seated at the proper depth in a box mag. Can't do that with win mag.
Pretty sure the 300 win mag isn’t a necked down 338 win mag btw………….
So basically modern problems require modern solutions
You need to do some research before you make a TH-cam video that 300 win Mag is not a necked 338 win mag. It came from the 300 H& H magnum and 300 PRC is shorter than the 300 win mag and the 300 PRC is bigger around I have both there's 25 fps difference between the 2. No real average with the 300 PRC.
Do a 300wby v 300 prc video .. now thats comparing
Or a 300 RUM. The PRC doesn't really do anything more than the rest of the more known magnum 30's out there. Hornady is just brilliant with marketing strategy. Look what they did with the creedmore. That creed cream is some powerful stuff.
@@SixOFord yeah, i got suckered into a 6.5 creed too😃... made the mistake, should have gotten the 6mm instead
I still use a 45/70 on Elk. Seems to work. If you have to shoot long range at an animal you're not a good hunter.
Powder burner just like the Weatherby.
.300 Win. Mag shoots heavy bullets too.
Doesn’t matter, after a box of two of either everyone is going to sell these rifles and go back to .22lr.
Amen brother!!
if it cant be done with the old 300 WM or 7mm Rem mag, maybe need to put the apron on and head back to the kitchen.......? marketing, latest & greatest. will it fall to the wayside. will it take off and become popular?? I wont hold my breath.
PRC looks as sharp as my Fat Boy. Looks are not everything, but damn!
The 300 win mag has more than enough punch to kill an elk beyond 1200 yards, way further than anybody can ethically shoot an elk with any gun. That's not hunting. I routinely shoot 200 grain bullets at 600 yards to better than 1/2 MOA. I will shoot further, when I figure out where to put the targets. The 300 PRC does have it's advantages, but IMO, those advantages are for long range target competition. I would rather hunt elk and moose with the 300 WM than the 300 PRC. Either will kill a griz too, but the 338 WM would be even better than either for that. I routinely hunt in griz country, and I don't feel under gunned with my 300 WM. 300 Win Mag = a better hunting rifle; 300 PRC = a better target rifle. Of course either is great for both.
A PRC would be logical in central to eastern Montana whereas a Win Mag would be perfect in the western side of the state, shorter shots of 100 to roughly 400 yards, depends on if you’re shooting across a ridge or a draw. Both rounds carry practical and logical use. A great round and a great compliment to a smaller round such as my Tikka 30-06.
I have both. Not a nickels worth of difference in the 2. Get what you want and enjoy. Better yet, get both and decide for yourself.
No thanks I have a custom 300 Remington ultra mag and a 338 lapua
30-378wby 👍🏻
but the 300rum is better there are 245 grain & 250 grain .30. Watch Mark & Sam after work .ON TH-cam he shoots all 3 & he is not paid by or work for any company300WIN MAG v300PFC V 300RUM .YOU NEED TO SEE THE GROUP HE GOT WITH THE 300RUM AT 3700 YARDS
He has chambers that are custom fit and magazines that will hold those rounds. ZERO factory rifles in 300RUM will fit a 245-250 bullet to it's potential in the chamber much less the magazine. The rules for custom guns and reloaders don't apply to factory guns and bullets. The PRC excels in this combo, Hornady got it right. That being said I shoot a 300 Norma Improved and not a PRC.
Just watched their video. That Aussie was using Hornady brass for the PRC (nothing against him, product is limited down there) which is absolute dogshit. Last batch I tried from them you could seat a primer with a #2 pencil eraser. It wasn't a good comparison.
@@WYO2K THATS FUNNY Mark doesn't us a magazines so you didn't watch very good /
@@davidorpwood8433 None of us use a magazine when we shoot for fun. It deforms the bullets in the mag. One of the reasons people run single shots. There are no factory 245-250 bullets for a RUM, it's not possible. The RUM is obsolete. There are better offerings available. That's why he is running a 300 Norma now. Did you know 300 RUMs burn a barrel out in 800 rounds?
Prc is over rated. I push a 230 atip at 3000 from a 300 win mag.
I’ll keep my B-14 in 300 WinMag.
Roy did it better 78 years ago. 2:46
300 win mag with a 1:9 twist can do the same.
No! You are going to have to do A TON more than put a 9tw barrel on a 300wm to beat a 300prc.
The 308norma "yes 308norma" comes closer but still doesn't beat it. The 300norma can beat it but you start dealing with lapua size actions and thats kinda like comparing apples and potatoes and its beating it by raw horsepower not efficiency. Same can be said for the 300RUM.
If you compare SAMMI spec chambers you will see that the 300prc has a .3088" throat while the 300wm has a .315" throat. Now thats not throwing a hot dog down a hallway but .007" vs .0008" is a lot of slop. Also the 300prc has a neck thats .320" long "so over a caliber in length" and the 300wm has a neck length of .264". Short necks don't lend themselves to holding long high BC bullets well and concentricity issues may occur. Also if you put a 230gr bullet in a 300wm case with a COAL 3.40" "which is standard" that bullet will be eating up case capacity which the 300prc already has more of even with a 230gr bullet.
Now to that 3.40" COAL....its going to be hard but not impossible to find a factory long action chambered in 300wm with an internal magazine length much longer than 3.40". So even if you wanted to seat a 230gr bullet where the bullet base was at the neck/shoulder junction in that 300wm, it would be to long to fit in something like a model 70 or Remington 700 without modification to the stock. The 30Nosler hobbled itself by sticking to the standard 3.40" length also. The 300prc is 3.70" long and most production rifles with a detachable box magazine come C.I.P length or 3.850".
Can you get a custom chambered 300wm with a 9"tw barrel and shoot 220-250gr bullets? Absolutely! But good luck ever shooting factory ammo in that chamber.
Im gonna also go ahead and mention the pointless belt on the 300wm....but if you know how to reload the 300wm optimally, the belt is just sitting there doing nothing anyway.
The 300prc has more "built in" accuracy than a 300wm.
Thats not to say that the 300wm is dead or outdated. The 300wm is the benchmark by which ALL magnums are measured not just the 30cal magnums. I've shot from 130gr to 215gr bullets in a 300wm and at hunting distances "-500yds" that elk or deer isn't going to be more dead with a 300prc OR a 300wm. If you want to push 180gr 30cal projectiles.....not much does it better than the ol' win mag. But remember that the 300wm was designed to be a "magnum 30-06". The 338wm and the 264wm both came out before the 300wm, and thats partially because the 308norma was already on the scene. The 300wm stuck around over the 308norma because of more production rifles being chambered in 300wm.
If you want to keep a 225gr bullet with a BC in the .700s supersonic past a mile then the 300prc is the way to go. A 225gr eld bullet at 2850fps is in 338lapua territory. If you are going to shoot an elk at 250yds then ANY of the .300 magnums will do the job just as well as the next.
Kirk Martin I get your point(s)(s)(s)(s) sir but understand the 300 wm has stood the test of time and still remains valid. We shall see if the 300PRC shall stand the test of time as well but I have my money on the 300 wm 😉. Now the 6.5 PRC, different animal but highly impressive.
@@MDROWDYRIDES with hornady behind it im sure the 300prc will last. F class guys have been shooting 30/375 rugers for about 10 years for a reason. The 6.5prc and 6.5saum are a similar and with the 6.5 craze going strong i don't see it going anyway. The 300wm is never going anywhere especially in hunting circles. Like I said before....inside 500yds they are almost identical. You get past 1k and the PRC and is ability to push high BC bullets takes over. Im doing things with my PRC that I've never had success with in 20 years with my 300wm.
The 300 win mag can actually get more velocity than the 300 PRC with bullets over 230 grains. Check out Mark and Sam After Work. They have tested both of these rounds at over 3000 yards.
@@asherterry7173 that's with a custom throat. Not Sammi spec