I find myself watching your videos while looking for rc videos and it always catches me off guard when you talk about skycraft because they're only about 5 minutes away!
Two stage hands down. I just ordered a TRX-4 Sport Unassembled kit(my 2nd TRX-4, first was an rtr), along with the kit I ordered the Two Stage, they work freaking great in the stock Traxxas Canyon Trails. Way better than the stock foams.
You mentioned it briefly about the single stage foam not moving side to side on the rim, but the dual stage can do that. I've recently mounted some dual stage foams into flat irons on similar rims and I'm getting a lot of foam movement inside the tyre. How would you suggest resolving this?
Thanks for the video, I have ordered a set of the dual stage for my gen 8 axe and for the scx10. I do more trailing than rock crawling I think they will do well. I seem to find myself in alot of side hill /off camber situations. Excited to see how much better they perform over a soft foam
I just fitted the dual stage as a one peice unit..no need to separate..i got the 4.75 soft outer and a pair of medium outers for the front of my rig which generally runs a 5200mah battery so plenty of weight up front. To be honest they both feel about the same once in the tyre.I put them in my 1.9 Hyraxes and they are a snug fit,so i think the softer compound actually gets a little squeezed flat once fitted and so becomes not so soft of a ride after all..just my input.Maybe i need to go down a size on my foams
I think you're comparing apples to oranges. Both have very specific uses. As you mentioned a single stage is great for handling on a sct, buggies, and the like. The dual stage wonderfully dandy for trail queens, nuthin better. Hit the steep vert and big off camber, soft all around and good suspension will keep you there.
Oot of all of that, I've only used the Pitbull Rock Beasts... And was in LOVE with them!! I'm FORCED to be cheap. By now you're beginning to understand why. When I'm ABLE to get aftermarket Foams... I've only bought CI Dual Stage Foams. I've been nothing but happy with them. Now, Wheels and Tires, IMHO, are more often than not a more personal choice. Especially Rims. I can't think of a single reason why I would want Single Stage, HARD closed Cell Foams.... For anything that *I would use them for.* MAYBE a high speed Basher, where Tire integrity is Life. They're popular, so obviously a lot of people find value in them. I've always looked at Foams in general, as like Tire Pressure adjustments on 1:1 Rigs. When I Crawled for real, 8-15psi was my entire tuning range... A soft, single Foam (cheap) would be my 8psi. Impractical for most Trailing. Firmer single stage Foam (Pitbull, Hyrax) is about 11-12psi. The CI Dual Stage Foams (firm inner, soft outer) is in the 13-19psi range, depending on WHICH Outers you use. The CI Single Stage DENSE Foams - the FULL 35-40psi!! The ONLY advantage I see is - longer Runtimes. Disclosure - I've obviously not bought ANYTHING new in over 4 years.... So I am a bit ignorant of the latest products. But in my own actual experience, that's how I see it. I really look forward to your results! Carmine ✈🚂🚙
You know Joe.... I'm long winded!!! 😋 I don't think I've ever ONCE, given the "canned" ... "Nice video man" "Excellent!" "You Rock!" You know the lot.... You DO Rock! BTW. I just talk too much. It's lost me Subs and even Friends! Hope it doesn't bother you. You can be honest.
Those are all amazing points. And that’s what the goal of the side to side tests will be. I can tell you that the single cell are more predictable and can fill out the tread more square. Two Stage, the outer foam may eventually break down or rot. But, we will See. I’m TRYING to stay unbiased, but I can’t. I really want the two-stage to be the winner. But I may be surprised.
I would definitely be surprised too!! I do realize that the single stage Foam offers stability and longevity... I just can't understand how it would actually WORK. Unless you've got an exceptionally heavy Rig, it's not going to compress..... The Test will be very exciting and informative!! 👍👍
Remember, the single stage are a touch smaller, so the tire itself feels like it’s “aired down” I ran the Crawler Innovations Closed Cell for years and they handled amazing. But this will be a good head to head
I have a trx6 with a 5ft 5th wheel trailer to tow three other trucks. My trailer tires are the 1.9 with matching beadlocks you need a super firm foam in it
I know this is an old video. But where's the rest of this "series"? Like I wanted to watch you and your wife and opinions on the foams. But... Could not. Find it. Thanks for the vid tho
Shortly after this video, my son asked that we don't make our hikes about making video's or driving the trucks every time. He wasn't enjoying it, so we packed up all the R/C and called it quits with the R/C content. It's supposed to be about the family for us, and as soon as one of the family doesn't want to do it any more, we put it away. To answer the question in the video. The Dual Stage were the winners. They did a better job at being an 'air down' tire and giving more traction.
That’s actually a good question. We didn’t end up doing the video because the kid stopped wanting to go to the trails with the camera’s. My preference...two stag. But, I feel like after a couple years of the foams breaking down, the single stage would hold up better. My vote, two stage
Another method to install foams; turn the tire inside out, place the tire over the foams, stretch the tire (right side out) over the foams, fine tune as needed.
Ah this is what I don't like about the 2 stage foams, they've made my rc4wd tires look a lot thinner, like the extra height and the way they work just wish I could have my wide looking tire back lol
I find myself watching your videos while looking for rc videos and it always catches me off guard when you talk about skycraft because they're only about 5 minutes away!
Right?! With TH-cam, sometimes we forget context creators could be just around the corner
Two stage hands down. I just ordered a TRX-4 Sport Unassembled kit(my 2nd TRX-4, first was an rtr), along with the kit I ordered the Two Stage, they work freaking great in the stock Traxxas Canyon Trails. Way better than the stock foams.
Agreed. Two-Stage are great.
Thks for sharing bro 😎 I’ve subscribed
You mentioned it briefly about the single stage foam not moving side to side on the rim, but the dual stage can do that. I've recently mounted some dual stage foams into flat irons on similar rims and I'm getting a lot of foam movement inside the tyre. How would you suggest resolving this?
Two sides carpet tape
Good idea. Tuned in
Thank you for watching.
Great video thanks for sharing some tips 😀
Thank you for watching.,
Thanks for the video, I have ordered a set of the dual stage for my gen 8 axe and for the scx10. I do more trailing than rock crawling I think they will do well. I seem to find myself in alot of side hill /off camber situations. Excited to see how much better they perform over a soft foam
I just fitted the dual stage as a one peice unit..no need to separate..i got the 4.75 soft outer and a pair of medium outers for the front of my rig which generally runs a 5200mah battery so plenty of weight up front.
To be honest they both feel about the same once in the tyre.I put them in my 1.9 Hyraxes and they are a snug fit,so i think the softer compound actually gets a little squeezed flat once fitted and so becomes not so soft of a ride after all..just my input.Maybe i need to go down a size on my foams
I wonder how they will feel after a year or so. I know all my old CI foams are still kicking after 6 years
I think you're comparing apples to oranges. Both have very specific uses. As you mentioned a single stage is great for handling on a sct, buggies, and the like. The dual stage wonderfully dandy for trail queens, nuthin better. Hit the steep vert and big off camber, soft all around and good suspension will keep you there.
Single stage tires work good for my hauler trailer tires
Can you make a video testing both in the same rig for comparison. Thanks!
That’s the plan. I actually have a fun idea that Steve, Tash, and myself can do together.
Awesome video
Thanks dude
Oot of all of that, I've only used the Pitbull Rock Beasts...
And was in LOVE with them!!
I'm FORCED to be cheap. By now you're beginning to understand why.
When I'm ABLE to get aftermarket Foams... I've only bought CI Dual Stage Foams. I've been nothing but happy with them.
Now, Wheels and Tires, IMHO, are more often than not a more personal choice. Especially Rims.
I can't think of a single reason why I would want Single Stage, HARD closed Cell Foams....
For anything that *I would use them for.*
MAYBE a high speed Basher, where Tire integrity is Life.
They're popular, so obviously a lot of people find value in them.
I've always looked at Foams in general, as like Tire Pressure adjustments on 1:1 Rigs. When I Crawled for real, 8-15psi was my entire tuning range...
A soft, single Foam (cheap) would be my 8psi. Impractical for most Trailing.
Firmer single stage Foam (Pitbull, Hyrax) is about 11-12psi.
The CI Dual Stage Foams (firm inner, soft outer) is in the 13-19psi range, depending on WHICH Outers you use.
The CI Single Stage DENSE Foams - the FULL 35-40psi!!
The ONLY advantage I see is - longer Runtimes.
Disclosure - I've obviously not bought ANYTHING new in over 4 years.... So I am a bit ignorant of the latest products.
But in my own actual experience, that's how I see it.
I really look forward to your results!
Carmine ✈🚂🚙
You know Joe.... I'm long winded!!! 😋
I don't think I've ever ONCE, given the "canned" ...
"Nice video man"
"Excellent!"
"You Rock!"
You know the lot....
You DO Rock! BTW. I just talk too much. It's lost me Subs and even Friends!
Hope it doesn't bother you. You can be honest.
Those are all amazing points. And that’s what the goal of the side to side tests will be.
I can tell you that the single cell are more predictable and can fill out the tread more square. Two Stage, the outer foam may eventually break down or rot. But, we will See.
I’m TRYING to stay unbiased, but I can’t. I really want the two-stage to be the winner. But I may be surprised.
I would definitely be surprised too!! I do realize that the single stage Foam offers stability and longevity...
I just can't understand how it would actually WORK.
Unless you've got an exceptionally heavy Rig, it's not going to compress.....
The Test will be very exciting and informative!! 👍👍
Remember, the single stage are a touch smaller, so the tire itself feels like it’s “aired down”
I ran the Crawler Innovations Closed Cell for years and they handled amazing. But this will be a good head to head
The CI Closed Cell does have a bit of give, I've heard...
You're right, this WILL be an interesting head to head for sure! 👍👍
I just added the dual foams to my tow rig. The stock foams on the Toyota pickup.
How do they handle with the added weight of towing?
@@scalefreakgaming I dont know yet, since my trailer is not made yet.
I have a trx6 with a 5ft 5th wheel trailer to tow three other trucks. My trailer tires are the 1.9 with matching beadlocks you need a super firm foam in it
I know this is an old video. But where's the rest of this "series"? Like I wanted to watch you and your wife and opinions on the foams. But... Could not. Find it. Thanks for the vid tho
Shortly after this video, my son asked that we don't make our hikes about making video's or driving the trucks every time. He wasn't enjoying it, so we packed up all the R/C and called it quits with the R/C content.
It's supposed to be about the family for us, and as soon as one of the family doesn't want to do it any more, we put it away.
To answer the question in the video. The Dual Stage were the winners. They did a better job at being an 'air down' tire and giving more traction.
When will we see the results? Super curious about the results. Thanks
That’s actually a good question. We didn’t end up doing the video because the kid stopped wanting to go to the trails with the camera’s.
My preference...two stag. But, I feel like after a couple years of the foams breaking down, the single stage would hold up better. My vote, two stage
@@scalefreakgaming good to know, the proline 2 stage feels really stiff but i've only done 1 pack, does it soften over time?
@@vinhky657 yes mine have broke in nicely
So where's the video showing the comparison?
In time. Tash and I have been spending a lot of time on the Jeep.
Scale Freak I got these same proline dual stage foam xl, I got the knock off hyryx and the harder foam doesn’t seem to fit
Even if you stuff them in? I know fit these tires, they were snug. ;
Maybe put the tires in hot water first to soften them up and stretch them?
Scale Freak I finally got them I had to Bend the card foam in half, at first I didn’t try it because I didn’t want to ruin it
Another method to install foams; turn the tire inside out, place the tire over the foams, stretch the tire (right side out) over the foams, fine tune as needed.
Did you ever do the follow up video for this?
No, I haven’t really done much in R/C. Sort of...yeah...
Anyway, turns out. My wife and I like the two-stage better than the single.
@@scalefreakgaming thanks for letting us know!
Ah this is what I don't like about the 2 stage foams, they've made my rc4wd tires look a lot thinner, like the extra height and the way they work just wish I could have my wide looking tire back lol
hard foams for rc crawlers
No driving or testing.
Just install