Awesome info. I'm new to crawling. Got my hands on 2 stage foams & the green 3ds. I'll be doing trail mostly & wet stuff. I can see the benefits of the 2stage though. Thanks for the heads up on not letting the rig sit on the tires.
Good comparison video. There have been many inserts that have come out over the past few years since "Just Scalin" released his in the UK. One thing you highlighted is that inserts made with higher quality TPU (like 3Bros, Squid, and DBHobby uses) really makes a huge difference. That particularly TPU is way more expensive but the quality can't be beat. Inserts made from cheaper TPU feels more "plastic" and gives a stiffer feel that is more challenging to use when competing. Also, it was great to mention that you can tune the inserts by changing infill. I know DBHobby offers that as well and it was good to know Squids does too. Thanks for taking the time to do the video.
Depending on what tpu you are using there are settings to change to make softer printed inserts. Infill needs to be set to 3 percent with gyroid pattern. Sometimes even 2 percent if 95a tpu. Also some more very important settings are tp change wall loops to 1 instead of 2, make sure thin wall detection is on and random seam postion. That will 100 percent change those stiff 3d printed ones you made.
@@jasonevans333 thank you. I’ve played with a lot of those settings but the material and quality of the Squid’nserts is something I can’t beat and he already has some for most any size of tote so I just use those. So much easier and they just work.
I am running both 3BRC and Flubber Stuffers. From my experience both have worked outstanding for me. The Anti-Foams in my Scx6 turned it into a very capable crawl.
That’s great. Like I said I think they’re both quality products but I’m personally not sold on a directional insert and they’re both some of the most expensive inserts to buy. Try the Squids and see what you think. They’re about half the price but in my opinion do just as well. Plus the custom sizes and infill options are really nice.
If you have any hard ones I'll buy them. I want my tires not to balloon at all. Not interested in crawling but I think they'd be helpful with high speed stability. If you can print then the full with of the tire that'd be even better.
Im putting Flubber stuffer softs in the front of my Gspeed V4 as im watching this, was running dual stage prolines front and back, still using the dual stage in the rear hope to go try it out this week, thanks for the vid.
Thanks for the review! The SL3D inserts fit like a glove and work great. Better yet, Neal can custom design them to fit any tire or application. Great product!
Running the injora dual stage foams on my scx10.3 and love them. I run flubs in my 24s but for 10 a pair I am impressed with the injora ones. Blues are smaller tires. Reds are for bigger tires. Stiff inner soft outer.
Those were also some that I forgot to mention. I have the blue Injora in my Gen8 trail truck and they work pretty well though not quite as soft as the Proline or CI. I haven’t found a use for the red ones. Way too stiff in my opinion for crawling.
The Blue/White injora need to be placed in a clothes dryer on Medium heat for about 20 minutes for them to re-form into their original shape, they come very compressed and disfigured when they are packaged tightly.
Once I put mine in the tires, there really wasn’t any noticeable lumpiness. They just weren’t as soft as the proline versions, but they work just fine in a heavy rig.
YZZR has been taking the win all over the country. I run them in every competition truck and have been helping me podium and get 1st in a few events recently. The newest super soft is amazing. Definitely a competition insert.
I’d say the same thing about the Squid’n’serts. In fact they had me on the podium in all six of our state semifinals and helped me get 1st place in class 3 in the state finals which drew in competitors from California, Arizona and others. That’s not even getting into the local comps. Now, I’ve tried the YZZR inserts and found them lacking. What other inserts have you tried and compared the YZZRs to?
@@Ginga_Ninja_RC crawler Innovation was what I ran before YZZR. I have ALT, squids, flub and 3bros what I'm saying is the new super soft inserts they make are a game changer for that company the inserts are completely different than any others that I had got from them. I only ran CI Lil nova in my competition trucks until I ran the new super soft YZZR.
@@andrewupsidedown ALT squids? Well hopefully YZZR did something to improve them for the sake of the customers. The Squids on the other hand have needed no change in design or materials. They nailed it, and the first squids I bought are still just as amazing as the ones I just put in. Completely trouble free and top notch performance.
@@Ginga_Ninja_RC sorry missed , between the two 👌 and great for them. Sometimes it takes trial and error to get it right but YZZR has been dedicated to making the best insert possible for an affordable price while being a one man band. I'm simply stating that they are a contender in the competition world and have giving even the very best foam and printed inserts a run for there money
@@andrewupsidedown SL3D is also a one man band, and dedicated to the same thing. I’m just saying that put side by side there’s no comparison in my opinion. The squids are more durable, more conforming, better material, have more size and firmness options, and a better quality product for the price. The $50 for a set of Squids is a better value than the $35 for the YZZR and I’ve seen the differences from first hand experience and testing.
I put the soft YZZR inserts on my SCX10 Pro with Gmade 1904 tires and was amazed how it improved the capability. I just put the YZZR super soft inserts in the same tire and I'd say I have 25% more capability over the soft inserts. My truck is 5.8 pounds. I have the 3BRC on my SCX6 and they are nice, but a bit expensive. I love the Steady Foams on the SCX6 as well. Great review....thanks for sharing.
Great to hear. Thank you for the feedback. I know it’s only money, but try some of the others and see what you think. I personally favor the Squids because they’re the best of both worlds. The performance of the expensive stuff without the high price and they’ll last longer than several sets of the YZZRs or other cheaper versions, so they’re far better value in my opinion.
@@simon_says_shhh I’ve tried them and they are a good option, but they fall far short of a good 3D printed insert. The side hilling and steering response are dramatically better. If you haven’t tried them yet, you should, and see for yourself.
Nice vid. I feel like the dual stage is better than the yzzr. Currently running dual stage+ hairbun on rear and the front is just plan dual stage foam.
I have had really good luck with hair buns believe or not. I use the x large and fit most tires and conform to rock's perfectly. Although I have a set of ruptures on the way and think xl hair buns may be little to small but we will see. Thanks for video and do agree way to much hype in the yzzr inserts
I have tried hair buns as well, but forgot to mention them in this video. I was surprised at how well they did. They were actually really close to the Proline dual stages in my opinion. A great budget option for a general trail use insert. In competition though, I don’t think they would keep up with good 3-D printed inserts.
The flubs are super heavy as well. So if you're weight conscious, they aren't for you haha. They perform okay, but they are now on my ten pound trail truck.
They are one of the few I haven’t tried, mostly because of the cost. I didn’t know they were that heavy. Have you tried the squids? Wondering how the weight compares.
@Ginga_Ninja_RC I have not tried the squids. I'm trying to remember what they weighed, because I weigh everything haha. I wanna say they were almost 80 grams each. I also just went and seen they have a new version with a integrated center ring.
I’m not saying they’re not, I’m just saying I don’t buy into a directional insert. They seem to be a quality product and material but in my opinion, like the Antifoams, expensive. I’d also say try them and compare them for yourself.
Yes. I put a thin layer of E 6000 or shoe goo around the center ring before putting the wheel together. The ones I’ve done that with don’t move at all but you can still take them apart if you need to. I don’t know if that would work as well for the dual stage foams, because it might tear them apart when you try to disassemble the wheel again.
In my opinion, Antifoams ARE the benchmark, but in my experience playing with them, the Squid’nserts are SO close. For the difference in cost, custom sizes, and virtually no difference in performance, I use and recommend the Squid’nserts.
@Ginga_Ninja_RC the set I have aren't that nice... They're like super stiff on the outer skin/layer. I run them but on my trail phoenix that's super heavy.
Totally depends on you and what you wanna do with the truck. I don’t vent my tires as much if they have dual stage foams in them, but if you’re running 3-D printed inserts there’s not too many reasons not to vent them. If you’re gonna run them in water a lot though, I probably wouldn’t vent them either way.
I forgot to mention those. I have tried them and was actually impressed by them. I thought they worked almost as well as the Proline dual stage but they did seem to need a slightly heavier rig to really work well. Great value though.
I’d give it a 50/50 chance, but should I really need to do that to my tire inserts? Shouldn’t they just hold up and be ok? Like the Squids and the Antifoams? I’m sure the Flubber Stuffers wouldn’t have this problem either. I’d rather buy one set of inserts that perform and are worry free than buy a set that has to be maintained or repaired or even replaced periodically. Wouldn’t you?
I know I’m just one person with an opinion but I have seen a fair number of people have problems with those and have yet to find anyone who has tried the Squid’nserts that hasn’t been happy with them.
@@Ginga_Ninja_RCwhat stiffness and rig weight? I just ordered a medium/soft split tonight for a~ 7.5-8lb trx4 but I’m doing some hard lines. Looking for maximum performance (outside of my light kit and bronco body)
@@V8chump what inserts did you order? I tried medium and soft YZZRs and was really disappointed in what I got. The Squid’nserts were pretty perfect in the normal firmness (4%). I get them slightly firmer (5%) in the rear for competition, but the normal fill has worked great in a variety of rigs from around 6lbs to just over 11, but you have to take the tire into account also. Jconcepts have a much thinner & softer sidewall than Proline for example.
If I may be so bold as to offer you some advice about your video presentation...first start by gathering up everything you are going to be covering. Next align the stuff from start to finish (very linear, no back tracking unless it's necessary for comparison to earlier stuff). Finally you don't have to read from a script but at least jot down every talking point about every item you are going to be describing. Look at the items individually and try to write down every bit of information you think is necessary for your viewers and be precise (just the facts/trim the fat). Oh, one last thing that might help would be to have some energy in your presentation. If you don't sound too excited, why should your audience be to see the video? You don't have to be an over the top, zany goofball constantly bouncing all over your studio/filming location but definitely have an energy level greater than that donkey in Winnie the Pooh. Please take what I've typed above as constructive criticism and not a personal atrack because I believe you have some valuable knowledge to share about the RC world and the more viewers you have, the more you can share with us.
@nodsdown It's not my video. The video is educational about tire inserts, not supposed to be entertaining for you or for you to be checking out another man's hands to make kinda gay judgements on. Creep.
Awesome info. I'm new to crawling. Got my hands on 2 stage foams & the green 3ds. I'll be doing trail mostly & wet stuff. I can see the benefits of the 2stage though. Thanks for the heads up on not letting the rig sit on the tires.
Thanks for the work, great info. Cheers from Germany.
Good comparison video. There have been many inserts that have come out over the past few years since "Just Scalin" released his in the UK. One thing you highlighted is that inserts made with higher quality TPU (like 3Bros, Squid, and DBHobby uses) really makes a huge difference. That particularly TPU is way more expensive but the quality can't be beat. Inserts made from cheaper TPU feels more "plastic" and gives a stiffer feel that is more challenging to use when competing. Also, it was great to mention that you can tune the inserts by changing infill. I know DBHobby offers that as well and it was good to know Squids does too. Thanks for taking the time to do the video.
Depending on what tpu you are using there are settings to change to make softer printed inserts. Infill needs to be set to 3 percent with gyroid pattern. Sometimes even 2 percent if 95a tpu. Also some more very important settings are tp change wall loops to 1 instead of 2, make sure thin wall detection is on and random seam postion. That will 100 percent change those stiff 3d printed ones you made.
@@jasonevans333 thank you. I’ve played with a lot of those settings but the material and quality of the Squid’nserts is something I can’t beat and he already has some for most any size of tote so I just use those. So much easier and they just work.
I also have some squid inserts and they do perform awesome!
Awesome informative video!!! Definitely picking up the squids next!!! Absolutely loved the YZZR I have so excited to try these Squid!!!
I am running both 3BRC and Flubber Stuffers. From my experience both have worked outstanding for me. The Anti-Foams in my Scx6 turned it into a very capable crawl.
That’s great. Like I said I think they’re both quality products but I’m personally not sold on a directional insert and they’re both some of the most expensive inserts to buy. Try the Squids and see what you think. They’re about half the price but in my opinion do just as well. Plus the custom sizes and infill options are really nice.
If you have any hard ones I'll buy them. I want my tires not to balloon at all. Not interested in crawling but I think they'd be helpful with high speed stability. If you can print then the full with of the tire that'd be even better.
Thanks for making this! Definitely helps push me in the right direction.
Im putting Flubber stuffer softs in the front of my Gspeed V4 as im watching this, was running dual stage prolines front and back, still using the dual stage in the rear hope to go try it out this week, thanks for the vid.
I fully agree. Tire traction is the most important thing on a crawler. I spend endless outs with *tire mods* and inserts.
Thanks for the review! The SL3D inserts fit like a glove and work great. Better yet, Neal can custom design them to fit any tire or application. Great product!
Neal has always been great to work with. He’s made a few new inserts for me and they always work amazingly well.
Running the injora dual stage foams on my scx10.3 and love them. I run flubs in my 24s but for 10 a pair I am impressed with the injora ones. Blues are smaller tires. Reds are for bigger tires. Stiff inner soft outer.
Those were also some that I forgot to mention. I have the blue Injora in my Gen8 trail truck and they work pretty well though not quite as soft as the Proline or CI. I haven’t found a use for the red ones. Way too stiff in my opinion for crawling.
Nice dude!
Great rundown on em all.
I haven’t gone this route but I’d def like to try them.
The Blue/White injora need to be placed in a clothes dryer on Medium heat for about 20 minutes for them to re-form into their original shape, they come very compressed and disfigured when they are packaged tightly.
Once I put mine in the tires, there really wasn’t any noticeable lumpiness. They just weren’t as soft as the proline versions, but they work just fine in a heavy rig.
You forgot my inserts that i make but they are new to the market from when you posted this
YZZR has been taking the win all over the country. I run them in every competition truck and have been helping me podium and get 1st in a few events recently. The newest super soft is amazing. Definitely a competition insert.
I’d say the same thing about the Squid’n’serts. In fact they had me on the podium in all six of our state semifinals and helped me get 1st place in class 3 in the state finals which drew in competitors from California, Arizona and others. That’s not even getting into the local comps.
Now, I’ve tried the YZZR inserts and found them lacking. What other inserts have you tried and compared the YZZRs to?
@@Ginga_Ninja_RC crawler Innovation was what I ran before YZZR. I have ALT, squids, flub and 3bros what I'm saying is the new super soft inserts they make are a game changer for that company the inserts are completely different than any others that I had got from them. I only ran CI Lil nova in my competition trucks until I ran the new super soft YZZR.
@@andrewupsidedown ALT squids? Well hopefully YZZR did something to improve them for the sake of the customers. The Squids on the other hand have needed no change in design or materials. They nailed it, and the first squids I bought are still just as amazing as the ones I just put in. Completely trouble free and top notch performance.
@@Ginga_Ninja_RC sorry missed , between the two 👌 and great for them.
Sometimes it takes trial and error to get it right but YZZR has been dedicated to making the best insert possible for an affordable price while being a one man band. I'm simply stating that they are a contender in the competition world and have giving even the very best foam and printed inserts a run for there money
@@andrewupsidedown SL3D is also a one man band, and dedicated to the same thing. I’m just saying that put side by side there’s no comparison in my opinion. The squids are more durable, more conforming, better material, have more size and firmness options, and a better quality product for the price. The $50 for a set of Squids is a better value than the $35 for the YZZR and I’ve seen the differences from first hand experience and testing.
I put the soft YZZR inserts on my SCX10 Pro with Gmade 1904 tires and was amazed how it improved the capability. I just put the YZZR super soft inserts in the same tire and I'd say I have 25% more capability over the soft inserts. My truck is 5.8 pounds. I have the 3BRC on my SCX6 and they are nice, but a bit expensive. I love the Steady Foams on the SCX6 as well. Great review....thanks for sharing.
Great to hear. Thank you for the feedback. I know it’s only money, but try some of the others and see what you think. I personally favor the Squids because they’re the best of both worlds. The performance of the expensive stuff without the high price and they’ll last longer than several sets of the YZZRs or other cheaper versions, so they’re far better value in my opinion.
@@Ginga_Ninja_RCI will give the squid a try. Thanks again.
DB Hobby, u need to try his inserts ! They're far superior to anything on the market
I just ordered a set for my class 1 rig. This will be my first comp truck
The Squids? I hope you like them. I’ve never heard anything bad back from anybody that’s tried them.
@@Ginga_Ninja_RC yes I ordered the Squids
Crawler Innovation is the foam tuning kings. They so many options it scares people. You can get perfect airdown with your own rig.
@@simon_says_shhh I’ve tried them and they are a good option, but they fall far short of a good 3D printed insert. The side hilling and steering response are dramatically better. If you haven’t tried them yet, you should, and see for yourself.
Nice vid. I feel like the dual stage is better than the yzzr. Currently running dual stage+ hairbun on rear and the front is just plan dual stage foam.
Good info, thanks for the review of these.
I have had really good luck with hair buns believe or not. I use the x large and fit most tires and conform to rock's perfectly. Although I have a set of ruptures on the way and think xl hair buns may be little to small but we will see. Thanks for video and do agree way to much hype in the yzzr inserts
I have tried hair buns as well, but forgot to mention them in this video. I was surprised at how well they did. They were actually really close to the Proline dual stages in my opinion. A great budget option for a general trail use insert. In competition though, I don’t think they would keep up with good 3-D printed inserts.
Thank you for the side by side comparison of a few I have been looking at. Appreciate your opinions and info in the comments.
No problem. There were a few others that I’ve tried but forgot to mention but these were the main ones.
Awesome Review my Friend! Very cool and Usefull!
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Thank you.
You are Welcome my Friend
Just receive the injora green, already have the pink fimonda
The flubs are super heavy as well. So if you're weight conscious, they aren't for you haha. They perform okay, but they are now on my ten pound trail truck.
They are one of the few I haven’t tried, mostly because of the cost. I didn’t know they were that heavy. Have you tried the squids? Wondering how the weight compares.
@Ginga_Ninja_RC I have not tried the squids. I'm trying to remember what they weighed, because I weigh everything haha. I wanna say they were almost 80 grams each. I also just went and seen they have a new version with a integrated center ring.
Theres many a 3d Foam out there. JFoams are the inserts I run.
Flubber stuffers are really good.
I’m not saying they’re not, I’m just saying I don’t buy into a directional insert. They seem to be a quality product and material but in my opinion, like the Antifoams, expensive.
I’d also say try them and compare them for yourself.
Your 3d prints look great though, and tpu isnt the easiest to print with
Any tips for getting the insert to stay centered? I feel like mine get pushed in all the time.
Yes. I put a thin layer of E 6000 or shoe goo around the center ring before putting the wheel together. The ones I’ve done that with don’t move at all but you can still take them apart if you need to. I don’t know if that would work as well for the dual stage foams, because it might tear them apart when you try to disassemble the wheel again.
Ive yet to find anything that works as well as the antifoams
In my opinion, Antifoams ARE the benchmark, but in my experience playing with them, the Squid’nserts are SO close. For the difference in cost, custom sizes, and virtually no difference in performance, I use and recommend the Squid’nserts.
@Ginga_Ninja_RC the set I have aren't that nice... They're like super stiff on the outer skin/layer. I run them but on my trail phoenix that's super heavy.
Should 2.2 proline tires for crawlers be ported ?
Totally depends on you and what you wanna do with the truck. I don’t vent my tires as much if they have dual stage foams in them, but if you’re running 3-D printed inserts there’s not too many reasons not to vent them. If you’re gonna run them in water a lot though, I probably wouldn’t vent them either way.
Are tire insert needed on mini crawlers or is tire small enough that it doesnt really need them?
Not really sure. I don’t do much at all with the mini crawlers but I think it has a lot to do with the tire you pick.
I prefer the SL3D squid inserts myself
Great info and great video buddy new sub from me 🌟💯👌👍🏻
No hairbuns ??
I forgot to mention those. I have tried them and was actually impressed by them. I thought they worked almost as well as the Proline dual stage but they did seem to need a slightly heavier rig to really work well. Great value though.
I bet a heat gun would bring them back to original form
I’d give it a 50/50 chance, but should I really need to do that to my tire inserts? Shouldn’t they just hold up and be ok? Like the Squids and the Antifoams? I’m sure the Flubber Stuffers wouldn’t have this problem either. I’d rather buy one set of inserts that perform and are worry free than buy a set that has to be maintained or repaired or even replaced periodically. Wouldn’t you?
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I just got my set of YZZR’s and also was disappointed….way too stiff.
I know I’m just one person with an opinion but I have seen a fair number of people have problems with those and have yet to find anyone who has tried the Squid’nserts that hasn’t been happy with them.
@@Ginga_Ninja_RCwhat stiffness and rig weight? I just ordered a medium/soft split tonight for a~ 7.5-8lb trx4 but I’m doing some hard lines. Looking for maximum performance (outside of my light kit and bronco body)
@@V8chump what inserts did you order? I tried medium and soft YZZRs and was really disappointed in what I got. The Squid’nserts were pretty perfect in the normal firmness (4%). I get them slightly firmer (5%) in the rear for competition, but the normal fill has worked great in a variety of rigs from around 6lbs to just over 11, but you have to take the tire into account also. Jconcepts have a much thinner & softer sidewall than Proline for example.
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Good info, but 20 min too long, TY
If I may be so bold as to offer you some advice about your video presentation...first start by gathering up everything you are going to be covering. Next align the stuff from start to finish (very linear, no back tracking unless it's necessary for comparison to earlier stuff). Finally you don't have to read from a script but at least jot down every talking point about every item you are going to be describing. Look at the items individually and try to write down every bit of information you think is necessary for your viewers and be precise (just the facts/trim the fat). Oh, one last thing that might help would be to have some energy in your presentation. If you don't sound too excited, why should your audience be to see the video? You don't have to be an over the top, zany goofball constantly bouncing all over your studio/filming location but definitely have an energy level greater than that donkey in Winnie the Pooh.
Please take what I've typed above as constructive criticism and not a personal atrack because I believe you have some valuable knowledge to share about the RC world and the more viewers you have, the more you can share with us.
Tires, inserts and weight down low.
the strange hand movements killed the video
Why do you have to be a weirdo?
you're the weirdo flinging your hands around like that @@TheAmericanUhate
@nodsdown It's not my video. The video is educational about tire inserts, not supposed to be entertaining for you or for you to be checking out another man's hands to make kinda gay judgements on. Creep.
Ok…. I’ll be sure to do more of them next time.