FG XR6 Diagnosing VCT issues
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มี.ค. 2018
- After reinstalling my Rocker cover my car started to run quite badly...
Check out this vid to find out how I found the problem and what I had to do to fix it.
Hope you guys enjoy! - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Been having the same issue plus a few lifters replaced..ok all 24 just watching this and orderd some new ones, fingers crossed i have the same results! Cheers for that mate!
Hope it works out buddy :)
Great video and good explainations. And very helpful bloke. Love to hear you helpimg out community. Love the sound of your FG. My BF is sluggish how you explained it. But will see where I go on repairing my current BF :)
Thanks bud. I know a lot more now than I did back when I made this video. Maybe need to get back into making some soon! Appreciate the comment
@@JoNoBaRr92 thats cool bro :) because I like people passing down information. Because it helps you know. I can tell you would have develped more skills over time bro. Keep it up bro and you know its not silly of you to do this but its your hobby bro. I just didn't know VCT solenoid would have impact on performance till I came across your video. Keep up with the good stuff bro. I'm sure us Fords would need this tips & advices due to our Falcons are long gone :/
Well done !!! Thank you very much for sharing and your time making this video.
Thanks Gordon!
I had 2 mechanics tell me it was a stretched timing chain and one tell me it was the fuel pump.
So glad i decided to check myself and fix it with 2 vct solenoids
Solid Bloke Glad you figured it out 👍 Huge waste of money a timing chain job would have been 🤢
Thanks for sharing as that may some frustration some day !
Thanks for sharing your video, it's great to know these things. My son has a FG ute on gas only which has done a little over 100K. He rang me last night after a short trip home to say that it was running rough and driving like a pig. After stopping and restarting it, the problem disappeared. I was initially thinking it could have been a ECU glitch and suggested disconnecting the battery for a bit but the problem seems to have resolved itself. Could be anything these days, a sensor or the issue you had. I must buy that OBD2 scanner that I've been planning to do for a while. Hope your world is going well. Cheers.
Thanks mate, Hope your sons car stays running well! Everything has been good. Appreciate your kind words mate!
Thank you for the detailed test and video.
My FG R6 egas is fine, but my ecolpi ute since having the head reconditioned is a nightmare to drive. 264,000km, was fine before we did the head. Going to try my R6 VCT solenoids as am isolation test as you did before spending any more money...
Thanks mate, hope it works our for you!
@JoNoBaRr92 just did thr drive with them both disconnected. Gutless, but stalling problem went away.
Did it throw a check engine light before you disconnected them?
Like your vids mate, glad you found the problem. :)
Thanks George!
It will be easy to remove and install rock cover if you removed two cam sensor on back exhoustus one and manifold one with small screw 7mm.It was important to buy all new set of gasket and it was important to put oil resistance selant on two spots on rock cover to protect engine oil leaking.
Hope the oil O rings are on your new ones , couldn't see properly , they are up the electrical end where your thumb was, yet Inside the rocker box. Old ones can be tested once removed on the 12v battery, can be soaked and cleaned. Good demo video thanks.
Yeah I put them on afterwards but forgot to specify that, thanks for pointing that out 😁👍
Nice work, good to see it resolved.
The solenoids weren't a problem before removal so you can bet it's down to the storage or even less likely the removal/installation process.
If you did this again would you store them differently or clean them in some way?
Phillip Lascelles When I removed my mates ones after installing my new ones I put them in a resealable bag and left them in room temperature. They still work fine so I would recommend that approach for anyone else who ever takes them out overnight! I am unsure how to clean them as I replaced mine due to age but I’m sure there would be a way haha
NITRO XR Some people show they can be taken apart and cleaned with brake cleaner or parts cleaner but at that age I would have replaced them as well.
Good to know the zip-lock bag thing, cheers!
Great job mate, well done.
Where did you get that scanner from and does it clear codes?
Got it from Supercheap mate and yeah it does. Comes in handy, I keep it in my back seat pocket 👍
www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Bosch-Auto-Scanner-OBD2-Can/411137
Sweet mate, thank you. Your vids are great too, keep em coming.
Can't not look at that 300 on your profile picture. I myself have a TT Manual all done up and am looking into getting an FG Turbo or NA as my daily driver now my Z is done. What would you recommend looking into looking? I'm mostly concerned about any engine concerns you've had, cosmetic or interior I'm not fused about, that's all just looks to me.
Keep up the good vids I actually enjoyed watching this one and the subtitles really break up the I guess space between watching and listening.
I no longer have an FG, I only have the Zed and 96 XH ute. My mate has a turbo FG manual and it's really nice, so far he has only had issue with infotainment stuff. diff bushes are the weakest link in them, you will feel it on test drive if you go to get one and can use that as bargaining as it's a decent job to replace.
Other than that Barra motora are very reliable but need better internals if you plan to boost higher than stock.
If you aren't fussed about having a boosted one I'd say NA for daily. If it's auto make sure ot has ZF 6 speed as the 5 speed french boxes are weak. Good idea to change ZF auto oil cooler to external too as they are prone to splitting inside the rad and milking up... 😅
@Import Experience sweet as. I'm not going more then stock for now till I finish off some other thing. My Z is for the power (500whp to be exact). Having a z helps as I have basically every tool you can think of to work on one. I am definitely interested in the turbo (mostly for that performance in traffic but also for the investment - not that I'll sell it but it's a good backup). I'm not a fan of any automatics, I like the simplicity of repairs in with a manual trans and the obvious fun of them. In saying that is there any problems that can arise with the manuals?
@@EthanD19 Not really, the manual box are TR6060 which are super desirable due to reliability and ability to withstand extra power. Possibly just syncros if the previous owner shifts like a hoon lol. I'd buy a TR6060 in a heartbeat if the prices hadn't skyrocketed for second hand units
Is there a left and a right (Intake and Exhaust) solenoid or are they both the same? You didn't put your original ones in the wrong side did you?
Part numbers are interchangeable. Pretty sure it's because I stored the originals poorly and they gummed up.
@@JoNoBaRr92 Not sure how storing them will cause issues. Use mass airflow sensor cleaner to clean them and put it back. Sometimes they stuck. You might have also damaged them.
Hey mate not sure if you still use ur yt I’m having the same issues but I’ve replaced both my Vct solenoids with brand new ones it fixed the problem kinda but still does it but less rough did the test you mentioned and goes weird with the exhaust side solenoid I’m guessing it’s the plug?
Possibly the pins in the connector or wires? new VCT's OEM ones?
@@JoNoBaRr92yeah brand new Vcts oem but the plug into its has plastic bits falling off it when I take it off so I’m assuming it’s the pins or plug
@@gweenmawn7502 Sounds like you are onto it. Hope you get it fixed
I got my 09 fg back with P1836 Camshaft timing position overadvanced bank 2 after having my rocker gasket replaced + sparks + seals. Mechanic reckons its not a sensor issue and chain issue. Didnt throw any codes prior to taking it there but he showed me he took out the vct and 'cleaned it' not sure how he cleaned, regardless. Happy to try changing the vcts myself as I dont think the rocker has to come off for the fgs. Do you think it's worth trying vcts first for a P1386 code?
Yeah just spark plug cover has to come off if I remember correctly, If you knew someone else with an FG you could try swapping theirs in just to confirm the fault goes away. Does it have any loss of power or strange rev conditions now? Mine lost heaps of power in certain rev ranges when my VCT solenoid failed
How many K's on the chain?
No mates with an FG, changed vcts and still check engine lights on. Put my ear on the rocker and could hear a whinning like noise, not a clunking. Car starts at round 750 rpm cold and sounds ok but when the hoods up there's that whine.
It's done 340k the old girl, I understand that things get worn, 2 weeks ago I had a mate chuck his gscan on it and there were no issues. He didn't have time to fix so took to another mechanic. It never had a check engine light popup in the years I've owned it so getting back with one sucks, if it's a failed sensor Im happy to fix replace however there shouldn't be a reason for the chain to play up on a rocker gasket chain I'd imagine. When you're check engine light cleared did it clear without resting anything once the vcts were changed? Thanks for getting back to me
Yeah I cleared the check engine light after vct change and all was good, if you clear light and theres a legit issue it should return almost immediately.
If you've change vct then you have already checked plugs are connected properly. Does it have any lack of power or anything when putting it through the gears?
The guides and tensioner could need replacing if they are really old, with a new chain if that kind of work was to be undertaken but a second opinion would be a good idea if you didn't get an actual fault code until immediately after someones worked on it.
It's possible the chain had stretched enough to throw the timing out enough to trigger the code as well.
whining noise could be any of the pulleys (bearings) on the serpentine belt system as well but that typically wouldn't throw a timing related code, as you would know, that runs all your auxiliary systems like water pump etc.
Keep me updated on how it goes!
Also chain would probably be making a rattling noise if it was getting pretty loose, but hard to say without hearing it myself.
G'day buddy dunno if ya still use ya channel hopefully ya do and ya may be able to help me .
I got a 2009 fg xr6 N/A , now regularly serviced and has never missed a beat . But over the last few weeks she seems to have lost her ooommfff , runs and idol is perfect , doesn't run ruff at all , just when cruising along and ya put ya foot down she just lost her get up and go . Doesn't cough or splutter or anything like that just doesn't puck up pace like she normally does . I thought maybe air filter , but nup still doing it . And if it was plugs or coil pks it would have a miss or splutter . It really has me stumped . Any suggestions????
Sorry for late reply, Does it illuminate the check engine light at all when driving? Bad coil or plugs would be a noticeable misfire especially under higher revs.
Which gearbox does it have?
@JoNoBaRr92 nah no engine light ever . Starts perfe t runsa great .
It has the 5 speed auto
@JoNoBaRr92 wife just told me only time it runs a bit ruff is after she puts her foot down when she starts to cruise again it does a Lil splutter for few seconds and then goes back to normal, this is something I just was told as replying to your question bud . It may well be a spark or coil thing now she has told me that or fuel filter maybe , not sure
Possibly fuel filter, much cheaper thsn doing coils so would try that first. Heaps of videos online showing how to replace them if you haven't done an FG one before.
Were the original solenoids hard to get out? I’m having trouble removing my stock solenoids, they seem stuck
Is on a bf model tho, any idea if the rocker cover has to come off?
I think some models you have to remove rocker cover first but uncertain sorry bud
@@Jake-ky4eg Hey mate, did you manage to get the original solenoids off??
One question why would you bother to paint a rocker cover you can't see the top of once the plastic goes back on
Scott Michale I can see enough of it and it was good experience painting the whole thing anyway 👍
@@JoNoBaRr92 yeah it looks ok but is a bit risky each to their own I'd have been more tempted to cover up everything else with presision and left it in to paint it
Hey mate got the same issue its a long shot but am I able to order new pair of vct for my fg im located Qld the costs of these are unreal haha
I got aftermarket ones through my old work Cooldrive auto parts. Was much cheaper than OEM and worked fine while I owned the FG.
They they have branches in QLD
Give them a go
Could also call up wreckers and get them out of a wrecked FG
I borrowed my matea first to see if it was definitely my issue as we had the same model car haha
Hey bro please help me !! I’m sick of getting rip off by mechanics and they still not found the problem.
I have a 2013 Ford falcon ecolpi, when the car is park or in neutral is fine , but when is in gear start to idle poor and vibrate, I have this problem for many months and still have it:(
Thank you
check pcv valve on the rocket cover
I got the Same problem mate did you find the solution
Im having the same issue where can i but solenoids
Do you mean buy?
Yes buy
Sorry. I have fg xr6 ute non turbo had engine light on for a day now gone but idle really rough.. 500 or less. Has 215000 klm
Did you pull the trouble codes and if so what were they?
My.mechanic did and said over active cam.
How to remove the vct solenoids?
did you ever figure it out, im trying to get mine out aswell, turning them counter clockwise doesnt work either
ExceedFishing you can’t remove those on some models without removing the rocker cover, you just remove the throttle body, then remove cover and then 8mm bolts hold g the VCT to pull them out
@@danishzd They are 7mm bolts.
$300 brand new a pair on ebay
Got to get rid of those annoying animal noises :)
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@@JoNoBaRr92 apart from that great vid and result
@@homlesy1172 Thanks. I want to make more videos eventually around my cars etc but waiting to own a house with a garage as it's a hassle in the elements.
@@JoNoBaRr92 sounds great, also just found your scanner tool un used for 130 brand new :) some guy said it didnt work on his car and lost the receipt for it :) so coudnt take it back or maybe it was a 5 finger discount :)
Either way, it worked out well for you haha
wtf cant you just get to the point
Yeah fair call, If I ever make future video's, I'll get to the point efficiently 👍