You'll never guess what causes this intermittent stall! - BA Falcon RTV cutting out / stalling
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 เม.ย. 2021
- We get this BA Falcon RTV ute in for intermittently cutting out, sometimes restarting, sometimes crank no start. Using a methodical process, we find the culprit which we were a bit suprised by. All fixed and out the door. #picoscope #mountautoequipment #carbonzapp
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How many mechanics and/or owners would be throwing plugs, fuel pump, Fuel filter, coils, BCM etc at this issue until there 'maybe' a fix?
Just proves what diligent diagnosis with the right equipment can do ...
A masterclass in mechanics ... well done Rob ...
What was the problem
Well done
Good to see there's auto repairers out there that still have the drive to chase these sort of problems down.
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Thank you Ezy. Much appreciated!
I was very interested in this video as my RTV is doing the same thing, it started last year after fitting a new alternator which proved to be faulty due to charging at 15.9 volts, it interfered with my electrics, ie central locking, fuel gauge failure, miss firing and so on.
I have replaced the points plugs, angle crank sensor, and a few I've forgotten. Thanks to this i have just replaced the Maf sensor fingers crossed that it is the cause of my problems 🤞
Well done mate, very professional, methodical & thorough as usual. Keep up the great work 👍
Legend! Thanks Gerard!
You have helped me, as I have similar problem.
Im loving this content, please keep it up!!!
Legend Jack, thanks!
Great diagnosis. Amazing job!
Thanks Gera! Much appreciated!
Beautiful work and a great find!
Thanks Simon! 🤜🤛
Absolutely brilliant as always mate, well done!
Most people, including myself probably, would have overlooked that.
Good stuff 👌🏼
Legend, thanks Gary! We all push forward and learn together!
Good job on finding that intermittent and explaining the knock on effect with the injector duration. Cheers Matt
Thanks Matt, much appreciated!
Great find mate!
Great stuff Rob. Nice thorough diagnosis. Should have a happy customer after that one
Thanks Kirk and yes hopefully he's happy 😁
Credit to your profession. Nice work 👍
Thank you! 💪
One very lucking customer. Saved the owner time and money diagnosing one of his major issues the first time!! Well done 👍
Thanks Tony!
There are shops that would have called the PCM on this one. Good on you Rome for for finding the actual intermittent fault.
Thanks Denis. I always appreciate you dropping in. You know I'm going to catch you on the Hscope group soon but I'm waiting for it to hit 10,001 unread messages :)
Awesome work
Thanks Anthony, much appreciated!
Love your work
Thanks for watching Mark!
Bravo👍
I recently had a similar fault on a 2009 Suzuki & man I would be impossible to identify the issue without a scope😉
Thanks for great content Bro & Stay Safe👍
I know exactly what you mean. Thanks again for the support Salman!
Nice pickup, really interesting
Thanks Jason!
Really like the Diagnostic side of troubleshooting vehicles
Thanks Daniel. I'll do my best to get more out!
Good catch!
Thanks Bart!
Good find i have a BA XR6 with the same problem many thanks for your persisstance i now know where to look my vehicle was
starting to drive me nuts...
How did you go with yours?
Waiting on new map sensor to turn up..will keep you informed on what happens next ??
well done Mate .
Thanks Nidal, appreciate it!
Difficult one. Nice find. Sometimes we forget these sensors are all talking to each other. I would have been doing circles on this one.
Definitely a bit of mucking around on this one but a lot of satisfaction at the end. Thanks for watching D. D!
Thanks for sharing 👍🏻
Thanks for watching John!
I saw the sensor simulator but man, the price don't have to be so 🥵🔥. Guess they are looking at the returns on your diagnostic time and fee.
You have got too love how Ford is obsessed about riveting in there PCM's lol. Some of the late model Ford stuff are even worse though like the new Mustangs and Endura's as you end up damaging the PCM mounting cadges just trying to get the stupid rivets out. Well done, Excellent diagnosis.
Haha you are right. Or just get the grinder out and hope nobody is watching? :)
The PCM is secured with shear off bolts on the one I saw.
Brilliant video!!! I have the same problem with my territory and a mechanic was sure it was the throttle pedal and TPS both changed and didn't fix it, going to see if this will fix the issue!!
Unfortunately for me it wasn't the MAP sensor, I also replaced the TB while I was replacing the MAP sensor, I've done plugs, TPS, new Pedal, new throttle body,MAP sensor and I still have to same issue with the ETC code coming up and shutting the engine down, any ideas where to look would be amazing
What are the codes that keep appearing and is it just an intermittent random stall?
@@romanosautomotive P2107 TAC control module procceser fault, PO773 shift solenoid, PO743 TCC torque converter clutch solenoid, it's a intermittent fault, runs and drives beautiful, goes through a few heat cycles and ETC code comes up, then engine shuts off, immediately fires back up but stalls again within seconds, once it sits for 15 mins it will start back up and drive beautiful again, then cycles reapeats after heat cycles, doesn't over heat and sits between half way and a 1/4 on the temp gauge,
@@romanosautomotive the pedal and TPS code where there and have gone away since being changed
Wish you where in Newcastle I would bring it to you haha
Liked it..
Thanks Dean
Wow. Really thought it was fuel issue. Who would have thought that a map sensor can cause this. Wonder how the sensor didn't trouble a code seeing that the voltage was dropping off?
Hi I have the same similar issue but with my fg xr6. I replaced the map sensor and still does the same thing. What else could it possibly be?
Just purchased my fuse buddy. Will try it out
I'm not going to lie to you, I've got the fuse buddies as well but they are a bit too bulky and haven't fit in some fuse boxes so now they just sit in my toolbox. I only use the ones that come in my kit from www.aeswave.com
@@romanosautomotive yeah I got one in the full uscope kit from AES waves. Had to purchase the another one to hook up another current clamp
You can never have enough haha!
Interesting video, how many work shops would have machine gunned a bunch of parts at it hoping to solve the issue...
Yes agreed. There might be some out there that don't want to invest the time into proper diagnosis. Thanks for watching!
Good video how do you like those piecing probes?? Are those e-z hook?
Best piercing probes known to man! I love them www.aeswave.com/Piercing-Probe-Kit-p8558.html
I can see this MAP sensor is cheep aftemarket $25 or more not Original BOSH recommended by ford deler.Some important parts like fuel preasure regulator,Injectors,MAP sensor should be factory recommended parts,but MAP sensor should trow code for sure on ForScan software recommended for ford all diagnoses, self testing and ofcourse programing.I'm not mechanic ,but for little noliable people this isue can be fix easy without coast for me only MAP sensor Bosh around $150.
Very thorough diagnosis.
Got any experience with LPG BFs? I have one (FiL drives it) which cuts out (rapidly cuts in and out until you manage to accellerate past the 'dead spot') at a very specific throttle position. Which makes me think the TPS is faulty (the car has done 750k kms) but like any modern car it could be any number of things. Even our local gas expert is of the mind to just throw parts at it until the problem goes away (starting with coils, plugs, and leads).
Are you in Perth?
@@romanosautomotive Nah mate, Brisbane. Bit of a drive to drop it into you. :)
Make sure he doesn't charge you for leads, coil over plugs no leads.
Dogged till the end ! Would there be any value to closing the hood as much as possible to heat up the components ? What about using a heat gun on each item to stress it ?
Thanks Bill and yes we tried the heat gun on the PCM and the bonnet closing for the engine bay but no difference. Unfortunately impossible to get the heat gun on the MAP due to its location
Cool mate 4.7v key on and 1.2v engine running same as AU , your a wiz mate .have you seen the damage e10 causes to fuel rails .Rusty rusty rusty. A simple check on fuel pump is to look for 600ml in 30 sec on the return line idling. More than that could indicate blockage at injectors because more fuel is returning rather than going into engine. And a low reading is worn pump or blockage at filter or line or reg faulty .Either way checking return volume is really good.
Thanks for watching and the input 💪
E10 does more damage than people realise i first came across the stuff while working overseas in the mid eighties, it was early days for fuel injected cars and the ethanol was causing havoc it was gumming up injectors when the cars were left unused for a month or more. Even if you use it in a 2 stroke mixed with the correct amount of oil unused it will gum the piston up. It will gum piston rings up on a car causing a lack of compression it is basically dreadfull stuff that can wreck a car from one end to the other.
Great video! I have an issue with my BA 6 cyl Falcon. It has a very rough idle for about 1 minute after I don't drive it for a couple of days. This seems to happen more in the colder months. Any ideas?
It could be multiple things unfortunately. Do you have a reputable shop close to you that can look at it?
@@romanosautomotive Yes I do. They said it's possibly the injectors.
@@donotwantahandle1111 ,First tray liquid molly intake petrol cleaner German product and spray in trotle body with instruction. Also injectors cleaner you can put in your petrol tank and your falcon will have good idle,and better preformance.Hight profesional did not tell you this which is very sad, but this should be first step before you waste money for profesionall mechanic,because they always go around to spend more time for investigation,parts and labour,but car will run same like before.
I've got a egas bf doing the same thing I just orded map sensor hopefully that's my problem
Good luck Adem, cheers
Ripper diagnosis.
Hey mate, i have an 07 bf xr8 with a similar issue, only seems to do if after its been ran for 2 hours or more, just out of curiosity weather that ute cut out or went into a limp mode kind of state where it missed and didnt want to rev. Mine doesnt come up with engine lights or anything, cheers
Hey mate, this cut out and would sometimes start right away or sometimes crank no start for a bit. No codes or lights either.
I've had the same issue with my RTV BF, i have replaced the speed sensor on the crank front left of the motor, also the map sensor as well as the spark plug points, its still cutting out while in traffic which is a pain, the only thing left is the fuel pressure regulator or the fuel pump. Any suggestions would be appreciated. The code that keeps popping up is speed sensor A PO500 $7E8
Hi Mark, it's hard to give you suggestions over the internet without seeing it. Where in Australia are you, maybe I can point you in the direction of someone who may be able to help?
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My gas fg falcon will randomly get a ETC fault, haven’t had it for awhile now but sometimes at night in the cold the idle will go up and down from 1k rpm, if I drive it when the this is happening. To much gas will make the whole car cut out. I think a dodge fuel pump or even the gas converter freezing up. Any help would be great
The gas converter won’t freeze up unless your water level is so low it’s not getting water through it, as happened to me. My BA lpg sedan stalls randomly, but usually before engine at running temp, about once every 6 weeks. What chance to diagnose?
With all the time, effort, expertise and equipment how do you charge that back to the customer?
Good question Clive. We are completely transparent with our customers. We have a diagnostic hourly rate and all time spent is agreed upon with the customer before going ahead. So they can choose when to stop or if they want to take it elsewhere to have the parts cannon loaded up. Spending time on tooling and training just raises our quality and reputation, and that reaps its own rewards with what we can do for our customers.
@@romanosautomotive I want to get my old lpg BA falcon diagnosed for poor mileage- 21L/100k city, and random stall every 6 week but can’t trust local mechanics have the diagnostic tools, and given charging 150/180 per hour with no gtee if they find anything. BTW it was never better than 18L/100k. Any tips plse?
@@spamsam99 Replace your STEPPER MOTOR and try it, my car did the same thing.
Having a issue with my ba 2003 xr6t il be driving then put of no where it'll just cut out sometimes a red hand signal pops up, and sometimes just the batterie light, when it cut outs I can just put the car back in park then it starts straight away. Mechanics have no idea what's going on where I live lol tps was showing on scan, changed the tps got it scanned, scan showed clear went for s drive then it cut out again lol 🤦♂️
Whereabouts are you located Majin? Maybe I can point you in the right direction somewhere
My turbo was doing that when you let off the throttle at low speeds like pulling up to a red light etc. My son said its the blow off valve so i took it off and tested it with compressed air and it was leaking bought a gfb one and it was fixed.
Kind of says allot about Ford quality, when the dealers can’t diagnose these engine faults. In 2003 the diagnostic codes were still primitive. Hopefully now they would pick up your fault and the map fault in this video.
Was the intake manifold gasket also checked?
No, there was no reason to.
Yes they do have a reputation for coming loose and cracking the gaskets. Makes them run like a hairy goat but should show up as a vacuum problem i would imagine.
I think I’m having same problem with my ba xr6. Be running fine and all of a sudden when driving it wants to die like it’s cutting out and all of a sudden it will keep going before the engine stops spinning it’s intermittent
Hi Jack, where are you located? I might be able to point you in the direction of someone to look at it for you.
@@romanosautomotive I’m in Melton Victoria
Have you sorted yours out yet, or did you want me to recommend you someone there?
@@romanosautomotive I peace’s the map sensor but no good so am still lost
My 03 BA XR6 wont start .
I reset the computer and it will start and run all day , leave it over night and it wont start .
I have to do a set for it to start again .
170k .
I would come to you but i live on the other side of the country.
Hard to say without seeing it but let me know where you are and I'll see if I can recommend you to someone in my network.
So it was a map sensor,get a new map sensor,is that right,replace map sensor,replace map sensor,you have to buy and install a new map sensor,got it........... thats it,can i get a ten four
Correct David. Were you thinking the video was too long?
Stroke? Or epilepsy?
Who is good with Ba falcon diagnosis like this in melbourne?
Sorry for the late reply, did you get yours sorted?