The Sony rep lies right from the beginning. The LG he is using is not a 2016 model, but the 2015 EF9500 model. I should know, I have that tv and that is the base that the 2015 EF9500 uses. If he is going to lie from the start, there is absolutely no way you can believe anything he says from that point on.
Greetings,i agree when i visit stores i request the remotes and change all settings to suit my daily viewing needs.its so patronising that companies think consumer loves vivd settings i hate that setting.the human eye would prefer natural characteristics.i own a pioneer flag ship plasma for 10 years and it looks fabulous compare sony lg .i recently had a look at lg oled and asked to see a video on my usb the picture did look astonishing but slightly let down on the black detail lost. there should be a wider gamma curve setting which i feel is key to show hidden detail in my opinion.:)
I second that notion, Christopher: the television that the Sony rep is demonstrating against is the 2015 LG OLED (65EF9500), because I have the exact same TV, too. I would like to see an UNBIASED review with the 2016 G6P or E6P vs the Sony Z9D. The G6P (and E6P, which are the same panel) has higher nits than the EF9500. The Sony sounds promising, but still cannot display perfect blacks. And trust me, when I play DOOM or Last of Us the black levels on the EF9500 blow the doors off of conventional LED...
This isn't an accurate comparison on Sony's end. If they're going to compare, they should do a 2016 model with a 2016 model, not a 2016 Sony UHD with a 2015 OLED; LG's recently made vast improvements to the brightness of OLED TVs this year, having personally gotten to sit and game and watch HDR content on the new E6 OLED and the Sony X850D respectively. Both are quite close in my opinion, but there's just no comparing with OLED's true blacks, zero motion blur because there is no backlight and lower input latency than then X850D.
OLEDs burn out pixels and there is a cliche, web os brakes 2.0 there are no applications as in the android, Sony Bravia the display displays video natural photos natural better, android tv can even download everything movies with torrent
Which one? The B and C (?) series have a lower quality panel from my understanding. The E and G are the high range ones. You can easily see if it is one of the latter two. I have the E series and the tv in the video is not an E or G series.
I'm amused.....HDR TVs compared but no HDR material being used (the LG will display a pop up whenever HDR is detected, I didn't see a single pop up). Guy saying HDR is all about brightness when it's actually all about 'contrast' which requires less brightness when you're not making up for grey blacks. He clearly believes it too because he thinks there is some HDR benefit without actually using HDR content. The classic was when claiming the bit rate of one video was too high for the LG to handle while the Sony was eating it up. Clearly the limitation was not the TV but rather the USB device used. The halo affect on the Sony logo at the end of the demos on the LED says it all. I agree the Sony is very good but it still suffers from the underlying limitations of back lighting. Be nice if they compared a 2016 OLED too but of course that would be unfair to the Sony 2016 ;)
spot on, I sell these sets for a living and I can say from playing with them myself the sony is a great tv, HDR has only become available to the new 2016 Models, the oled being used is 2015 no HDR, put it against the 2016 LG G6, and you have the best picture in the world. :)
IF you sell these tv's for a living, I'll need to bypass your shop pal, as I have this LG 2015 tv and, as has already been said by someone above, it is the EF950v, which IS HDR compliant!
LG 55EG920V is also HDR (as EF950v and the new panel on EG960v which LG exchange if you request it). These 3 set are not HDR "Premium" though, only the 2016 series.
i have the Sony KD-65XD8599 4K 2016 model and as soon as you do the latest software update...which the tv wants to do out of the box.. the sony bravia sync does not work,
Thought the 2015 4K lg oleds had a software upgrade to receive HDR through streaming or usb but not HDMI. On vivid that oled is pretty bright way to bright to watch normal tv anyway + more importantly the contrast levels are surely better on oled due to perfect blacks.
And you don't get any OLED burn-in on the LCD. Because well, it isn't an OLED. They still need to figure out how to stretch out the lifespan of the pixels.
Just came back from Harvey Norman store and compared most LG and Samsung and Sony, took 3 of my brothers in with me and the Sony X930D has a very crisp picture, color's are very clean and real. and the blacks are not bad at all, we watched them for a good 30 minutes, different scene's , motor sport was very smooth, after reading a lot of negative comments on here about this TV, I do suggest to go and have a good look at the picture quality, it might shock you.with what I have read the only issue is the 3D, on them is out of sync and bent frames, also bad bleeding on some defected models.I have seen a lot of TV's and all have there issues, but this TV is far from being called a bad TV, in my opinion( and my brothers), clean crisp picture, really what more can you expect from a TV.just my 2 cents
Whilst I could clearly see more detail on the HDR set on the whole, quite a lot was also washed out and with a far greater loss of some detail where green was concerned. Being the default settings though, I would hope that some settings could be altered to match some of the better aspects of the OLED display.
ABL is still in use and seems to be more agressive on the 2016 OLEDs so part of this comparision with brightness levels will not change even in HDR mode on the new OLEDs. the LCDs are still much brighter overall as seen here. peakbrightness is one thing and full field white brightness is another OLEDs cant go much higher than 100 cd/m2 for a white field. there you have the problem with the OLEDs and why they look much dimmer in bright scenes.
Go to a store, blooming effect is present although not as bad as this video makes it out to be. Sony's panels offer 120FPS@1080p which makes for a great gaming monitor while Samsung and LG do not offer that.
So I have the Sony X930c and who the fuck can actually watch anything in vivid? Great for showing maximum brightness but man is it a color crush overload. I have my settings so completely calibrated different. Honestly if the OLED wouldnt of been double the cost and 10 inches smaller i'd of gotten it for the better blacks as I prefer those more than the higher whites and brightness but the Sony is the best value.
LCD has nearly the same if not better black levels. you're not missing out on much LCD lasts longer and has better colros and HDR capability brings otu the shadow details where as OLED is way too black.
4:42 see the halo effect on the knife edges and later on the Sony logo? Unavoidable in an edge lit LED TV. This turns out to be a great advertisement for the OLED. He should have focused on the positives of the Sony which has some great features instead of putting down the LG. For example, the brightness, input lag, no burn in, android platform, HDR, cost of ownership etc.
I'm sorry the Sony blew this Oled tv away, on the Oled the picture quality looked like a painting in most scenes especially the scenes with high dynamic range showing the sky, sun rays etc. Remember u r watching this from a recording off a camera which clearly couldn't handle the highlights of the Sony clearly. The Sony had far better dynamic range and far better natural colours and overall better performance. I can just imagine watching this live, the difference will be so clear. I'm sure that's either a Samsung or lg tv. Oled is just hardware, it's what the manufacturer does with the tuning and calibration that counts and Sony has proved time and time again they are the masters. The koreans just have better marketing and push cheaper prices for similar specked tvs.
I can see brightness uniformity issues on the sony hdr compared to the oled LG, it does look generally nicer on the sony but the single color or brightness is a bit of a distraction, plain white screen shows barring or spots or a single color on screen.
Was close to buy the LG 2016 watching it in the shop with demo material. A last test high motion 4K content. The judder was just UNBELIVABLE. How the f can LG release a top of the line TV that just can't handle high motion? Samsung was not in the contest due to past issues. I got the XD93 55". Half of my estimated budget. On the plus side, can run Kodi on the Android TV, great!
Hi there, What do you think of the 55X930D HDR 4K TV now you have had it, how is the upscaling, colour depth... I am looking to get a new TV soon. Looking between the Panasonic CX802, Sony XD930 and the OLED but what puts me of OLED is even though blacks are really inky, the greyscale (contrast through whites greys) not as good. Also, motion looks like its not good judder was awful when i tested in store. Thinking about the Sony as it has the Slim Backlight Drive system which Sony uses this year + the 4K X1 chip. Good value too.
They have judder because LG sucks at making the motion effect work properly, and a lot of people turn off the Trumotion setting. I have an LG 4k and it can't handle fast motion with the Trumotion turned on. I guess LG doesn't care? I think they sell a bunch of defective tv's imo. Sony and Samsung have the best motion effect.
I have the 2015 Sony X850C, and am thinking of going for the 2016 Samsung KS8000 for HDR since it does reach well over 90% of DCIP3 and has a peak brightness of around 1400 nits; the Sony has about 89-90% DCIP3 and only tops out at about 285 nits, which is terrible for HDR viewing, even though it can read the signal, just too dark when viewing. One of the biggest things holding me back is the Android TV is just so damn perfect! I can literally play SNES, PS1 and GBA games FROM MY TV with the emulators in their cut down Play Store. As a matter of fact, the ONLY app I'm missing that I actively use on Android TV is FunimationNow!, but I can either Chromecast that from phone, or see if FUnimation cares to add support since they're doing a lot of changes. I know I can buy a Shield TV and get the Android Store that way, but it being stock on Sony TV's is a game changer, literally putting webOS, TIzen and all other TV OS' to shame. Actually, the Amazon Video app does not work on Android TV by default, but it DOES work and come out of box on the Sony Android TV's because of a deal they made. Decisions, decisions.
I prefer the one on the right. The one on the left is brighter, but I find the colors more natural on the right. Also, the blacks on the right looks deeper.
Actually a really good vid. But in the future, it seems like you have a good camera. I'd take it off of AUTO and set it to a neutral setting for subject matter. The camera tried to adjust too many times and it made it hard to watch at the start, it kind of settled in but as x photog I noticed and knew what impact that had on the subject. Otherwise great vid
most people choose a television on the basis of 2 criteria 1/ Price 2/ sharpness and ferocity of colors. It is as if they have a tv compared to a computer monitor.
Honestly I may just go buy a x9400D since the LG 77" OLED is apparently like 20k and hasn't landed. Crappy time to buy a TV but anything smaller than 75 is too small these days for a lounge imo.
my question is how bright do people want their tvs? too bright is blinding and hurts your eyes after awhile. I just got the E6 lg and its bright enough. I like a more natural look than looking at a really bright unnatural picture.
Im thinking of purchasing the E6 this weekend...I was curious have you hooked up a gaming console to it and if so how is the lag time or gaming experience on it? Also have you experienced any motion blur on it during movie sessions? Thanks Clayton :) So basically Im either going with the LG E6 or the Sony 940D. These are the only two TV's Im interested in but would like feed back from someone that isnt paid for by LG or Sony LOL Thanks in advance hehe
Exactly, if you need a TV to watch out in the middle of direct sunlight, an LCD on Vivid mode is the way to go... But if you plan on watching your TV indoors like a normal person, at normal brightness, OLED will deliver a superior picture every time.
You don't have to turn the brightness all the way up. These tvs just have a greater number of tones between white and dark and a broader color palette. If you don't know what any of that means, notice how well your eyes render shadows and variations of color compared to your tv.
I see that the light sensor on the Sony is turned on and it reduces the brightness in the dark environment so it is not the brightest picture it can show.
The Sony rep is clearly biased: the "competitor's" television that he is demonstrating against is the 2015 LG OLED (65EF9500), because I have the exact same TV. I would like to see an UNBIASED review with the 2016 G6P or E6P vs the Sony Z9D. The G6P (and E6P, which are the same panel) has higher nits than the EF9500. The Sony sounds promising, but still cannot display perfect blacks. And trust me: when I play DOOM or Last of Us the black levels on the EF9500 blow the doors off of conventional LED...
cp070476 unfortunately the OLED will win, I got the SONY 75 Z9D (my work discounts them) and I got it professionally calibrated by BEST BUY. It is nowhere near as bright as the OLED. It is a great set, but the OLED tech is still more advanced.
plasmas always looked dimmer in stores but always had the best pictures so claiming your tv is better because it has a higher nit value is a sales pitch. good effort.
Compare a 2016 TV to a 2015 TV that's really fair.... Put the X930D up against a 2016 LG like the E6 and lets then compare. LG fixed the motion and they panels are much brighter. Also who watches TV in Vivid mode? No one, might as well label that store mode.
+Pixel Perfect TV in this way, shows the efficiency and intelligent of each TV processor and the quality of the algorithms. With the calibration only shows the hardware differences. Someone who makes a good buy should consider software and hardware.
I have see all the 4K Sony from day one alway like them I have seen the g6 on some video loop. 2016 best thing I have seen on a tv but I have alway like Sony !
I have the 2016 Sony HDR luv it few problems throw 1 clicky remote annoying wen going through Netflix 2 wen playing TH-cam vids sometimes the TV will not pick you phone to sync so u have to turn telly off at the wall 3 wen updating PlayStation the PlayStation reboots as it does after update the TV didn't recognise it had done a reboot so again turn tv off at the plug ! Wen selecting which source u want it gives you 1 and a half seconds to choose ie hdmi pc av etc so if you haven't chosen on 1 half second u have to go through the sauce selection again it also gets very hot and the glare from the sun even through light curtains is terrible that said its still the best tv we have owned and worth the 2k we paid and the new curtains look great
BS, that´s an old TV selling trick, get tv or monitor brighter with some small contrast/brightness equalization engeneering, so then... BANG! TV looks amazing coz shows averything in dark scenes, but at sunny photos it bursts out! i have a Benq 2240he, it´s amazing, although it has this super brightness system awsome for real colorful ocean stuff coz you won´t actually understand the limits of color there, but for black... it becomes grey!!! pick the right tv in this video... just rise the contrast and brightness a little bit and that´s it, it´d be a champion against left one! resume: TRICK!!! AND the worst part, in brazil these HDR tvs will cost easily 5 000 bucks!!!! it´s insane!
I am waiting for the 2016 shootout to see who wins last year it was lg Samsung Sony and Panasonic came in last! The two tvs I lime most from last year was lg 9500 and Samsung js9500 lime Sony two but don't know the modules
+Clesarie ok thanks I heard some people where disappointed that they got rid of 3D even people's who did not like it! There should be at lest one model with 3D it could be a nitch market some people like 3D!
RKoen2006 I know my x930c has 3d. Everything I keep hearing about 3d is on the UK version that original had no 3d then had broken 3d and then eventually got it fixed. I can neither confirm or deny any of this of course as I dont use 3d at all on my tv as I got rid of my only 3d blu ray player
I don't listen to store staff. I'm more knowledgeable than they. avfo rums or hdtvtest us where you want to go for proper advice and proper reviews. Just wait till Panasonic release their 2017 Oleds. Led tech has too many issues that can't be nor will ever be resolved. oled from LG doesn't have a motion drive. oleds only issue really is brightness. But Panasonic will find a way around this. oled can be improved to higher brightness. it's just oled isn't quite there yet. tell me how many years have we had ccfl Ltd, led Lcd tvs and they still have all the same sorts of issues which will never be resolved as long as they use back lights. oled has been in the market consumer no where near as long and will improve in less than a quarter the time led tvs have been around. there are other techs around the corner as well similar to crt, plasma and oled.
people need to do their research on tv calibration. contrast: increases brightness brightness: controls the darkness of the black (dark black to light black). so this guy did was turn the black more grey on the oled tv. that's why the sony looked better
I agree the lg E, G and C series are brighter and better than the B plus turn the lg back to its normal 4k settings and than put them side by side you made the lg darker..
4:02 "You can see the difference in colour reproduction there quite easily..." Yeah, but I can also see that horrible LED television's colour inconsistency..
tv's are all about detail and colour accuracy, the new smart features ect are useless to be honest as you watch massive screens for movies in my opinion. I wish tv's include a curve system and a wider gamma function so you can see the detail rather then this deep black nonsense as it hides the detail.THX colour arrangement is great and it would be fabulous as directors should include these setting on each bluray dvd's for best performance.The best way to find a tv is to go and test out the tv by brining your favourite film thats what i did, i have the pioneer plasma and its been 10 years and runs like a trooper :)
The lg Tv in this video is a 2015 model without HDR OR DB so I see no reason why sony would go thru this to discredit it's good name. there is no basis for comparison as oled tv are way different and 10 times better than Lcd. Sony go develop your oled tv and then do a fair comparison without all the cheetah feeds
+abdulrahman raymond Aibor Sony was one of the first in the oled market. However now thats just for their bvm and pvm monitors as they've deemed them not cost viable.
Sony entered a OLED 75 proto type for TV EXPO, and it was VERY good but cost $36,000 USD to make, OLED is EXPENSIVE and for a better black, just doesn't justify that coin really, and also other issues lifespan of the TV, need more companies to make OLED TV's , to bring the price down.Also I've seen OLEDS and this x930D , and the Sony is a cleaner watching experience, even on space movies if it's set up right, and I've never owned a Sony, but I just went and bought this model, and its a very nice TV, took 4 of my brothers with me to compare LG Samsung Sony, and this TV we all agreed it was very good picture, and also the price, but like all TV's they have there issues, 3D is very bad, and if you don't calibrate the TV, you will get light bleeding.but my X930D if very black with space movies, and VERY colorful and bright, and everyone who has seen it, cant believe how life like the picture is.PC gaming is also excellent, a lot of good things about this TV, reading all the negatives on these comments, really are not all true, if people just had a look at the TV compared to lot others , it might just shock you, if its a good X930D
its very clear in this vedio that lcd is better but people cant admit that because they thought thar they know enough about technology but the dont the quality and the colors of display doesn't depend on type of display it depends on how the company calibrates it there are oled with natural colors and others with over saturated Colos and olso that for lcd and there are lcd brighter than oled and vice versa it depends on how the company make it oled is not better than lcd and neither lcd is better than oled
Xperia GO I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. They're not completely even on everything. OLED has the best blacks out there. No possible way an LCD or LED can match it.
Jarin Nealy lol i didn't say any thing about blacks And yeah this is fact that fact is that amoled has deeper black amoled doesn't use back light and amoled suffers from burn in issue But guss waht according what i read Panasonic made lcd tv with pure black
and yet he is comparing how the colors look in vivid mode.... smh then uses the "brightness" control.... which is level of black not a brighter picture. is the sony good yes. the oled is better.
se pierde detalle en sony algunas veces en zonas brillates ahi lg gana ,el logo de sony fondo negro vaya tela de (halos) En general no es una comparacion justa
they are using 2 different quality video and too much brightness will hurt our eyes its like looking to a flashlight directly if you are a videophile you know what i mean.
Apologize for that, I thought you really intended to do it like that. Anyhow, the OLED TV looked pretty bad against Sony's CLEDIS technology, and today that Sony has just unveiled their own OLED TV to compete with LG, goodbye to both Korean TV manufacturers; Samsung and LG
Since when is brighter better? Calibrated for your viewing environment is what matters. In your living room or home media room they will be almost the same when calibrated. Plus the OLED has the added benefit of greatly improved black levels. The only major advantage the Sony has is the Judder. It is better on the Sony, but the OLED judder is not terrible and in 98% of content it won't be noticeable.
No, you are just used to more narrow sRGB color space that cannot display those colors. When you see something that can display a larger portion of what the eye can see you get a false impression of over-saturation. Look in the real world how saturated things are. OLEDs are not over-saturated, it's the other way around - IPS panels are under-saturated.
This is what I do not understand: We spend time and money to calibrate a set to smpte standards for hd. Now HDR comes out, which is a wider color gamut with a more dynamic contrast ratio. Arent these qualities things we have been atempting to work OUT of tvs? Clearly the grass is neon green on the hdr side of the video, and things look blown out. I can do this by using the widest color gamut my hdtv displays, turning the saturation up, cranking up the contrast and turning on artificial dynamic contrast controls etc. How is HDR better? In person it looks like over exagerated contrast and colors. How is that now a good thing when its been a bad thing for years? lol
I have the lg oled and it dose not look like that. pluse all 4k tvs look good playing 4k stuff. put both tvs on regulartv shows or cable tv movies and sony would not be able to stand a chance against oled.
+Emmanuel Santos I seen the g6 at bestbuy and a Sony not sure the model but that day lg was the best picture to me but I almost have the money to get the lg e6 but I want have bestbuy set the tvs up so I can decide but Sony doesn't have Dolby vision only lg and Visio and some other name I have never heard of but I like Sony but Sony was beat by Samsung and lg at the 2015 shootout don't know what going to happen this year will see
RKoen2006 Regarding Dolby Vision, it is an advantage to some time. When a new version will not be possible to update it. With the standard HDR10 it is possible to add improvements because it is an open source system. Some models of Sony that did not support HDR, now it support the HDR format with an update.
So, why did Sony choose to demo both televisions in a bright room with their worst-possible settings? Was this for Sony investors to appreciate the company's sleight-of-hand?
I'm certainly no tech guru so excuse me if I'm way off here, but isn't it possible that whilst the same imagery was shown on both screens, Sony could've tweaked the actual brightness, colour, saturation etc on the VIDEO/IMAGERY that was played on the OLED? If this was the case it wouldn't matter at all what adjustments you made to the tv because it would've been the content that was different. One adjusted perfectly for Sony's best picture, another to show a poor picture on OLED. Just a layman's thought. Not a Sony or OLED supporter, and personally when I've seen these tv's in person with an array of content I've never seen anything close to this much difference in pictures. OLED overall looks better imo, but probably not $2-3K + better.
TOP end LED (2016) compared with OLED from 2015 WTF...?! OLED is the better tech , has better contrast , more black levels, (only small improvement needed is the brightness in the colors)...BUT 2017 models like Sony Bravia A1 and the newest LG are almost there ! LED is the lesser tech and becoming aged...(still LCD). We have to wait when OLED becomes mainstream... prices are already dropping.
yeah oled is overhyped marketing technology inferior to the best IPS TFT LCD. like someoen mentioned too much black and you can't see shit in the dark details. Thats why HDR capabilities took IPS LCD TV's to a whole new level and will last longer and is cheaper. OLED Is for dumb rich people.
Go down to a store and compare them side by side, Ask them to put a white floating text on black background on both sets, You will never buy another led tv again!OLED destroys any panel out there already, And the new HDR 2016 OLEDS are even better.
+Shane Mc Grath But an "Entry" LG B6 OLED is over 4 grand!! The Sony is half of that. Also I am ATM using a W8 and white text is a thing of the past on a good Led-lit LCD TV. I really don't see a 2k difference in PQ. If anything the Sony well stands up to the OLED and then some... Black levels were a real advantage when Pioneer Kuro brought out plasmas, but this 'edge-lit LCD' looks to have really good black levels and it's not really as important anymore. The Sony is more vibrant in some scenes too. Apart from the bend issue which plagues all slimline TVs, this X930 is a bargain in comparison.
OLED destroys it in every way, Search youtube for the side by side comparison and you will see how bad the led is with floating text, The only one that comes close is the 75 inch which has full array local dimming and it still isn't quite as good, May as well buy the OLED because the price of the 75inch lcd is just as bad. This new Sony gets beat by Samsung's KS9000 Edge lit in the local dimming area! The grey uniformity also sucks on the Sony. LG OLED is ranked 1, Then Samsung KS9000 at 2, Visio P series is ranked 3 then it's the new Sony at 4. LED doesn't even come close when I see them at the shop next to each other, Get what your happy with but in no way does it compare to OLED, Watch other manufacturers start making OLED's from 2017 onwards. Personally I am skipping LED's, was so close to ordering this new SONY but not now after seeing just how good the OLED TV's are, Rather wait it out for prices to stabilise. Still using trusty old Sony Bravia XBR KDL-52XBR4 which doesn't have any horrible bleeding like many of the new LED panels, Samsung I am calling you out on that. lol Don't get me wrong the Sony is great and destroys my 9 year old Bravia tv in every way, But after seeing OLED I don't think I want another LCD/LED tv. ;)
I thought as well when I seen OLED in the flesh first, but after reading about all the issues I am inclined to wait for a cheaper Panasonic or Sony. It will be more mature by then too. The G6 LG range is at a cost just to keep OLED as premium as LG are the only ones going forward with it... The other Co's dont think its ready and I am inclined to agree. A little bit of blooming to save 3 grand. Thats fine by me. The images on the face of it are very close now.:-)
john jordan Once you have it you should be set for several years easy. Agree, $3k is a lot of money, Many people don't even spend that 3k difference in an entire tv purchase. I'll try hold out a bit longer for OLED but temptation is always there to just get the Sony HDR now. lol Enjoy the Sony, Please let us all know how it is. Any issues you may notice once it's settled in if any, Would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers Shane... But the x850c 55" is going handy now. HDR is meant to be decent on it too. Who needs google tv? I think thats why they threw on their own separate Sony GUI too. I will use it purely for movies-TV programs...and EURO 2016! OLED will be my next TV Im sure of i. The only thing by then; "4K HDR is yesterdays news, now try 8KTV with Dolby ultra-super vision-HDR!!!" 2018/19 The TV Co's cannot help themselves lol.
Best Buy employees have a basic understanding of plasma and oled, but I read stuff on it all the time and find I know far more than they do. The earliest models of plasma had burn in, but they fixed that. I have had a plasma for ten years and game on it all the time. i have never ever had any burn in. LG has also fixed this problem with it's third and fourth generation oled sets...there is no burn in to speak of. Quit spreading false claims of burn in.
+ABRAHAM LINCOLN I work for magnolia design centers, I know little bit more than just basic knowledge. The only plasmas I didn't have major burn were high and very expensive plasmas, like the old Pioneer elite. Oleds still burn in there current models, have at least two customers every couple weeks or so that use their Best Buy protection to get an exchange because they burn, oled and current models. Oled tvs are the future, but with their horrible motion for basic TV, and streaming services. They have a long way to go and current High-end LEDs are way better. The Sony X930d and x940 have better upscaling and far better motion. I go to CES and major vendor shows every year. Just because you want to hop on the Oled ban wagon. Don't pretend you have manufacturing or hands-on experience that I get on an every day basis.
+ABRAHAM LINCOLN I have work on Tuesday I'll make sure to take pictures of the major Burns on our oleds and post them for you, so you can understand a little better before you talk
Formula: Imagen Vivo, Luminusidad 100, contraste 100, brillo 50, nitidez 30, color 70, tinte 0, temperatura c50 o c5 = HDR, saludos. Que no los estafen.
The Sony rep lies right from the beginning. The LG he is using is not a 2016 model, but the 2015 EF9500 model. I should know, I have that tv and that is the base that the 2015 EF9500 uses. If he is going to lie from the start, there is absolutely no way you can believe anything he says from that point on.
Greetings,i agree when i visit stores i request the remotes and change all settings to suit my daily viewing needs.its so patronising that companies think consumer loves vivd settings i hate that setting.the human eye would prefer natural characteristics.i own a pioneer flag ship plasma for 10 years and it looks fabulous compare sony lg .i recently had a look at lg oled and asked to see a video on my usb the picture did look astonishing but slightly let down on the black detail lost. there should be a wider gamma curve setting which i feel is key to show hidden detail in my opinion.:)
+Prince Emir Can u suggest a good 40 inches t. in ur view. I need to buy
even the 2016 models are extremely dim. HDR is the future of TV and without brightness you don't get it.
I second that notion, Christopher: the television that the Sony rep is demonstrating against is the 2015 LG OLED (65EF9500), because I have the exact same TV, too.
I would like to see an UNBIASED review with the 2016 G6P or E6P vs the Sony Z9D. The G6P (and E6P, which are the same panel) has higher nits than the EF9500.
The Sony sounds promising, but still cannot display perfect blacks. And trust me, when I play DOOM or Last of Us the black levels on the EF9500 blow the doors off of conventional LED...
IMHO any LED > OLED. I had chance to compare fresh OLED vs XD85. And the winner was 85 :) Even this shit ks...
This man has a major synchronizing talent :)
This isn't an accurate comparison on Sony's end. If they're going to compare, they should do a 2016 model with a 2016 model, not a 2016 Sony UHD with a 2015 OLED; LG's recently made vast improvements to the brightness of OLED TVs this year, having personally gotten to sit and game and watch HDR content on the new E6 OLED and the Sony X850D respectively. Both are quite close in my opinion, but there's just no comparing with OLED's true blacks, zero motion blur because there is no backlight and lower input latency than then X850D.
Thats all sony are just smoke and mirrors.
+Chris Garofalo Totally agree, thanks for pointing it out, saved me the explanation
OLEDs burn out pixels and there is a cliche, web os brakes 2.0 there are no applications as in the android, Sony Bravia the display displays video natural photos natural better, android tv can even download everything movies with torrent
The OLED in the video is a 2016 HDR model. The EF 9500 didn't have that shape of base on the tv stand like the 2016 ine
Which one? The B and C (?) series have a lower quality panel from my understanding. The E and G are the high range ones. You can easily see if it is one of the latter two. I have the E series and the tv in the video is not an E or G series.
I'm amused.....HDR TVs compared but no HDR material being used (the LG will display a pop up whenever HDR is detected, I didn't see a single pop up). Guy saying HDR is all about brightness when it's actually all about 'contrast' which requires less brightness when you're not making up for grey blacks. He clearly believes it too because he thinks there is some HDR benefit without actually using HDR content. The classic was when claiming the bit rate of one video was too high for the LG to handle while the Sony was eating it up. Clearly the limitation was not the TV but rather the USB device used. The halo affect on the Sony logo at the end of the demos on the LED says it all. I agree the Sony is very good but it still suffers from the underlying limitations of back lighting. Be nice if they compared a 2016 OLED too but of course that would be unfair to the Sony 2016 ;)
spot on, I sell these sets for a living and I can say from playing with them myself the sony is a great tv, HDR has only become available to the new 2016 Models, the oled being used is 2015 no HDR, put it against the 2016 LG G6, and you have the best picture in the world. :)
IF you sell these tv's for a living, I'll need to bypass your shop pal, as I have this LG 2015 tv and, as has already been said by someone above, it is the EF950v, which IS HDR compliant!
LG 55EG920V is also HDR (as EF950v and the new panel on EG960v which LG exchange if you request it). These 3 set are not HDR "Premium" though, only the 2016 series.
Looking for some suggestions on a 90inch + flat screen for viewing movies in a moderately lit family room setting.
I have this TV XD93 and i just love it 😍
shows off 4k tv and oled. records with 720p. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. me smell stupidity here.
Alex Zaharov-Reutt
That last sentence, was meant to come across stupid.
demonpride1975 😂😂😂😂 LMAO
i have the Sony KD-65XD8599 4K 2016 model and as soon as you do the latest software update...which the tv wants to do out of the box.. the sony bravia sync does not work,
Not a fair review at all. You should be doing the new model that's been released, as 6-12 months in this market is huge.
Thought the 2015 4K lg oleds had a software upgrade to receive HDR through streaming or usb but not HDMI. On vivid that oled is pretty bright way to bright to watch normal tv anyway + more importantly the contrast levels are surely better on oled due to perfect blacks.
Hello , have you a link for the demo showed on the tv ? Ty
sony
so i'm assuming the left one is the sony zd9 with the backlight master drive . While the right is the lg hdr oled b6 right?
TheGreatDragonGamer no it's the 940D. Z9 wasn't out yet.
what model was the oled was it the b6
Guys, where I can get test vid files: )?
And you don't get any OLED burn-in on the LCD. Because well, it isn't an OLED. They still need to figure out how to stretch out the lifespan of the pixels.
Just came back from Harvey Norman store and compared most LG and Samsung and Sony, took 3 of my brothers in with me and the Sony X930D has a very crisp picture, color's are very clean and real. and the blacks are not bad at all, we watched them for a good 30 minutes, different scene's , motor sport was very smooth, after reading a lot of negative comments on here about this TV, I do suggest to go and have a good look at the picture quality, it might shock you.with what I have read the only issue is the 3D, on them is out of sync and bent frames, also bad bleeding on some defected models.I have seen a lot of TV's and all have there issues, but this TV is far from being called a bad TV, in my opinion( and my brothers), clean crisp picture, really what more can you expect from a TV.just my 2 cents
Whilst I could clearly see more detail on the HDR set on the whole, quite a lot was also washed out and with a far greater loss of some detail where green was concerned. Being the default settings though, I would hope that some settings could be altered to match some of the better aspects of the OLED display.
whats the model name of the sony tv ?
Note the backlight behind the Sony TV itself, that light helps the Sony look better in dark scenes. ;)
ABL is still in use and seems to be more agressive on the 2016 OLEDs so part of this comparision with brightness levels will not change even in HDR mode on the new OLEDs.
the LCDs are still much brighter overall as seen here.
peakbrightness is one thing and full field white brightness is another
OLEDs cant go much higher than 100 cd/m2 for a white field.
there you have the problem with the OLEDs and why they look much dimmer in bright scenes.
Look at that LED blooming effect at 7:13.
We don't know if that is the camera lens
Go to a store, blooming effect is present although not as bad as this video makes it out to be. Sony's panels offer 120FPS@1080p which makes for a great gaming monitor while Samsung and LG do not offer that.
It's technically the brightness that affects it. Lower it down a bit and it can give you a near OLED black experience.
Shawn Mendes but not at all.
yeah turn down brightness to 70 percents its nearly the same thing.
Which's televison model on the left ?
thank u
So I have the Sony X930c and who the fuck can actually watch anything in vivid? Great for showing maximum brightness but man is it a color crush overload. I have my settings so completely calibrated different. Honestly if the OLED wouldnt of been double the cost and 10 inches smaller i'd of gotten it for the better blacks as I prefer those more than the higher whites and brightness but the Sony is the best value.
LCD has nearly the same if not better black levels. you're not missing out on much LCD lasts longer and has better colros and HDR capability brings otu the shadow details where as OLED is way too black.
Clesarie you get light bleed, flashlighting, blooming etc?
which is better
The sense of depth on the oled just isn't as effortless on the lcd. The halo's around white text on black on the LCD look distracting too.
Sony are using a different usb on the oled I have seen there reps doing this Cheets
the brightness on the tv on the right is only on 50% not 100.... while the tv on the left was on Max 100. so it wasn't a fair comparison
4:42 see the halo effect on the knife edges and later on the Sony logo? Unavoidable in an edge lit LED TV. This turns out to be a great advertisement for the OLED. He should have focused on the positives of the Sony which has some great features instead of putting down the LG. For example, the brightness, input lag, no burn in, android platform, HDR, cost of ownership etc.
I'm sorry the Sony blew this Oled tv away, on the Oled the picture quality looked like a painting in most scenes especially the scenes with high dynamic range showing the sky, sun rays etc. Remember u r watching this from a recording off a camera which clearly couldn't handle the highlights of the Sony clearly. The Sony had far better dynamic range and far better natural colours and overall better performance. I can just imagine watching this live, the difference will be so clear. I'm sure that's either a Samsung or lg tv. Oled is just hardware, it's what the manufacturer does with the tuning and calibration that counts and Sony has proved time and time again they are the masters. The koreans just have better marketing and push cheaper prices for similar specked tvs.
which model is the sony?
The one who is brighter and have the more natural color
why didn't he reset the picture on the sony at the start?
Seeing as how nobody has the of e6 they can't compare it but the song looks great
I can see brightness uniformity issues on the sony hdr compared to the oled LG, it does look generally nicer on the sony but the single color or brightness is a bit of a distraction, plain white screen shows barring or spots or a single color on screen.
Was close to buy the LG 2016 watching it in the shop with demo material. A last test high motion 4K content. The judder was just UNBELIVABLE. How the f can LG release a top of the line TV that just can't handle high motion? Samsung was not in the contest due to past issues. I got the XD93 55". Half of my estimated budget. On the plus side, can run Kodi on the Android TV, great!
yup, I agree and I bought one. Judder is a real problem
LG judder ?
Hi there,
What do you think of the 55X930D HDR 4K TV now you have had it, how is the upscaling, colour depth... I am looking to get a new TV soon. Looking between the Panasonic CX802, Sony XD930 and the OLED but what puts me of OLED is even though blacks are really inky, the greyscale (contrast through whites greys) not as good. Also, motion looks like its not good judder was awful when i tested in store. Thinking about the Sony as it has the Slim Backlight Drive system which Sony uses this year + the 4K X1 chip. Good value too.
They have judder because LG sucks at making the motion effect work properly, and a lot of people turn off the Trumotion setting. I have an LG 4k and it can't handle fast motion with the Trumotion turned on. I guess LG doesn't care? I think they sell a bunch of defective tv's imo. Sony and Samsung have the best motion effect.
I have the 2015 Sony X850C, and am thinking of going for the 2016 Samsung KS8000 for HDR since it does reach well over 90% of DCIP3 and has a peak brightness of around 1400 nits; the Sony has about 89-90% DCIP3 and only tops out at about 285 nits, which is terrible for HDR viewing, even though it can read the signal, just too dark when viewing. One of the biggest things holding me back is the Android TV is just so damn perfect! I can literally play SNES, PS1 and GBA games FROM MY TV with the emulators in their cut down Play Store. As a matter of fact, the ONLY app I'm missing that I actively use on Android TV is FunimationNow!, but I can either Chromecast that from phone, or see if FUnimation cares to add support since they're doing a lot of changes. I know I can buy a Shield TV and get the Android Store that way, but it being stock on Sony TV's is a game changer, literally putting webOS, TIzen and all other TV OS' to shame. Actually, the Amazon Video app does not work on Android TV by default, but it DOES work and come out of box on the Sony Android TV's because of a deal they made. Decisions, decisions.
I prefer the one on the right. The one on the left is brighter, but I find the colors more natural on the right. Also, the blacks on the right looks deeper.
I think Sony did an excellent job. Seriously considering the Sony for my next 4k. Will research more.
oh okay thank you for clearing that up and I made a mistake on my TV it's not the C series it's the D series beautiful TV but thank you
None of you noticed that Sony TV was set on MAX brightness and the LG one on 50 on a scale of 100? You just got screwed over big time.
Actually a really good vid. But in the future, it seems like you have a good camera. I'd take it off of AUTO and set it to a neutral setting for subject matter. The camera tried to adjust too many times and it made it hard to watch at the start, it kind of settled in but as x photog I noticed and knew what impact that had on the subject. Otherwise great vid
most people choose a television on the basis of 2 criteria
1/ Price
2/ sharpness and ferocity of colors.
It is as if they have a tv compared to a computer monitor.
i own xbr 850C 65 inch sony and its amazing in hdr 4k
Honestly I may just go buy a x9400D since the LG 77" OLED is apparently like 20k and hasn't landed.
Crappy time to buy a TV but anything smaller than 75 is too small these days for a lounge imo.
my question is how bright do people want their tvs? too bright is blinding and hurts your eyes after awhile. I just got the E6 lg and its bright enough. I like a more natural look than looking at a really bright unnatural picture.
Im thinking of purchasing the E6 this weekend...I was curious have you hooked up a gaming console to it and if so how is the lag time or gaming experience on it? Also have you experienced any motion blur on it during movie sessions? Thanks Clayton :) So basically Im either going with the LG E6 or the Sony 940D. These are the only two TV's Im interested in but would like feed back from someone that isnt paid for by LG or Sony LOL Thanks in advance hehe
The way the right tv backlighting is dimmed gives it like a movie theater quality picture
And the left side looks soap opraish
Exactly, if you need a TV to watch out in the middle of direct sunlight, an LCD on Vivid mode is the way to go... But if you plan on watching your TV indoors like a normal person, at normal brightness, OLED will deliver a superior picture every time.
You don't have to turn the brightness all the way up. These tvs just have a greater number of tones between white and dark and a broader color palette.
If you don't know what any of that means, notice how well your eyes render shadows and variations of color compared to your tv.
Woah, I love it!
I see that the light sensor on the Sony is turned on and it reduces the brightness in the dark environment so it is not the brightest picture it can show.
The Sony rep is clearly biased: the "competitor's" television that he is
demonstrating against is the 2015 LG OLED (65EF9500), because I have the
exact same TV.
I would like to see an UNBIASED review with the 2016 G6P or E6P vs the
Sony Z9D. The G6P (and E6P, which are the same panel) has higher nits
than the EF9500.
The Sony sounds promising, but still cannot display perfect blacks. And
trust me: when I play DOOM or Last of Us the black levels on the EF9500
blow the doors off of conventional LED...
I'll take the Oled for the blacks/contrast and general pic quality any day!
The blooming though 😂
It's a good tv but it does not have Dolby vision only ones are lg. and Visio but they don't have 3D this year
Lg's oleds out of the box suck with colour tempreture ect, after a bit of tweaking and scene changing they are amazing.
Is it just me or did the oled have way more definition and detail?
I hope theres no more light bleed
Both tv's ISF calibrated is a fair test.. Not this..
cp070476 unfortunately the OLED will win, I got the SONY 75 Z9D (my work discounts them) and I got it professionally calibrated by BEST BUY. It is nowhere near as bright as the OLED. It is a great set, but the OLED tech is still more advanced.
plasmas always looked dimmer in stores but always had the best pictures so claiming your tv is better because it has a higher nit value is a sales pitch. good effort.
Compare a 2016 TV to a 2015 TV that's really fair.... Put the X930D up against a 2016 LG like the E6 and lets then compare. LG fixed the motion and they panels are much brighter. Also who watches TV in Vivid mode? No one, might as well label that store mode.
+Pixel Perfect TV in this way, shows the efficiency and intelligent of each TV processor and the quality of the algorithms. With the calibration only shows the hardware differences.
Someone who makes a good buy should consider software and hardware.
I have see all the 4K Sony from day one alway like them I have seen the g6 on some video loop. 2016 best thing I have seen on a tv but I have alway like Sony !
I have the 2016 Sony HDR luv it few problems throw 1 clicky remote annoying wen going through Netflix 2 wen playing TH-cam vids sometimes the TV will not pick you phone to sync so u have to turn telly off at the wall 3 wen updating PlayStation the PlayStation reboots as it does after update the TV didn't recognise it had done a reboot so again turn tv off at the plug ! Wen selecting which source u want it gives you 1 and a half seconds to choose ie hdmi pc av etc so if you haven't chosen on 1 half second u have to go through the sauce selection again it also gets very hot and the glare from the sun even through light curtains is terrible that said its still the best tv we have owned and worth the 2k we paid and the new curtains look great
great review you can see just how good the sony is compare to the lg oled. we are getting the sony : XBR75Z9D. we already have the lg oled
As both TVs are same size and OLED is max size (actually) by 65, the Sony could not be FALD, correct?
+Alex Zaharov-Reutt lcd is better maybe lg oled g6 hrd better than lcd
putting a light source behind a tv makes the contrast better to the eye. Cheap trick Sony...
BS, that´s an old TV selling trick, get tv or monitor brighter with some small contrast/brightness equalization engeneering, so then... BANG! TV looks amazing coz shows averything in dark scenes, but at sunny photos it bursts out! i have a Benq 2240he, it´s amazing, although it has this super brightness system awsome for real colorful ocean stuff coz you won´t actually understand the limits of color there, but for black... it becomes grey!!! pick the right tv in this video... just rise the contrast and brightness a little bit and that´s it, it´d be a champion against left one! resume: TRICK!!! AND the worst part, in brazil these HDR tvs will cost easily 5 000 bucks!!!! it´s insane!
oleds are dark. alot of TV's are brighter than oled
I am waiting for the 2016 shootout to see who wins last year it was lg Samsung Sony and Panasonic came in last! The two tvs I lime most from last year was lg 9500 and Samsung js9500 lime Sony two but don't know the modules
+RKoen2006 The Sony model flagships where the x930/940c.
+Clesarie ok thanks I heard some people where disappointed that they got rid of 3D even people's who did not like it! There should be at lest one model with 3D it could be a nitch market some people like 3D!
RKoen2006 I know my x930c has 3d. Everything I keep hearing about 3d is on the UK version that original had no 3d then had broken 3d and then eventually got it fixed.
I can neither confirm or deny any of this of course as I dont use 3d at all on my tv as I got rid of my only 3d blu ray player
I have a Sony (xbr1) and love it. But using "Vivid" mode for a picture quality comparison? That is a joke.
Alex Zaharov-Reutt
I don't listen to store staff. I'm more knowledgeable than they. avfo rums or hdtvtest us where you want to go for proper advice and proper reviews. Just wait till Panasonic release their 2017 Oleds. Led tech has too many issues that can't be nor will ever be resolved. oled from LG doesn't have a motion drive. oleds only issue really is brightness. But Panasonic will find a way around this. oled can be improved to higher brightness. it's just oled isn't quite there yet. tell me how many years have we had ccfl Ltd, led Lcd tvs and they still have all the same sorts of issues which will never be resolved as long as they use back lights. oled has been in the market consumer no where near as long and will improve in less than a quarter the time led tvs have been around. there are other techs around the corner as well similar to crt, plasma and oled.
people need to do their research on tv calibration.
contrast: increases brightness
brightness: controls the darkness of the black (dark black to light black).
so this guy did was turn the black more grey on the oled tv. that's why the sony looked better
I agree the lg E, G and C series are brighter and better than the B plus turn the lg back to its normal 4k settings and than put them side by side you made the lg darker..
SONY PICTURE CLOSER TO REALITY EVEN BETTER QUALITY
if you want a good experience just dont compare
4:02 "You can see the difference in colour reproduction there quite easily..."
Yeah, but I can also see that horrible LED television's colour inconsistency..
tv's are all about detail and colour accuracy, the new smart features ect are useless to be honest as you watch massive screens for movies in my opinion. I wish tv's include a curve system and a wider gamma function so you can see the detail rather then this deep black nonsense as it hides the detail.THX colour arrangement is great and it would be fabulous as directors should include these setting on each bluray dvd's for best performance.The best way to find a tv is to go and test out the tv by brining your favourite film thats what i did, i have the pioneer plasma and its been 10 years and runs like a trooper :)
The lg Tv in this video is a 2015 model without HDR OR DB so I see no reason why sony would go thru this to discredit it's good name. there is no basis for comparison as oled tv are way different and 10 times better than Lcd. Sony go develop your oled tv and then do a fair comparison without all the cheetah feeds
+abdulrahman raymond Aibor Sony was one of the first in the oled market. However now thats just for their bvm and pvm monitors as they've deemed them not cost viable.
Sony entered a OLED 75 proto type for TV EXPO, and it was VERY good but cost $36,000 USD to make, OLED is EXPENSIVE and for a better black, just doesn't justify that coin really, and also other issues lifespan of the TV, need more companies to make OLED TV's , to bring the price down.Also I've seen OLEDS and this x930D , and the Sony is a cleaner watching experience, even on space movies if it's set up right, and I've never owned a Sony, but I just went and bought this model, and its a very nice TV, took 4 of my brothers with me to compare LG Samsung Sony, and this TV we all agreed it was very good picture, and also the price, but like all TV's they have there issues, 3D is very bad, and if you don't calibrate the TV, you will get light bleeding.but my X930D if very black with space movies, and VERY colorful and bright, and everyone who has seen it, cant believe how life like the picture is.PC gaming is also excellent, a lot of good things about this TV, reading all the negatives on these comments, really are not all true, if people just had a look at the TV compared to lot others , it might just shock you, if its a good X930D
its very clear in this vedio that lcd is better
but people cant admit that because they thought thar they know enough about technology but the dont
the quality and the colors of display doesn't depend on type of display it depends on how the company calibrates it
there are oled with natural colors and others with over saturated Colos
and olso that for lcd
and there are lcd brighter than oled and vice versa it depends on how the company make it
oled is not better than lcd and neither lcd is better than oled
Xperia GO I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. They're not completely even on everything. OLED has the best blacks out there. No possible way an LCD or LED can match it.
Jarin Nealy lol i didn't say any thing about blacks
And yeah this is fact that fact is that amoled has deeper black amoled doesn't use back light and amoled suffers from burn in issue
But guss waht according what i read Panasonic made lcd tv with pure black
And what i say is not wrong it depends on how the company make the display
i wouldve done the same. it doesnt seem to matter one or another. just as long as it seems to show true.
and yet he is comparing how the colors look in vivid mode.... smh then uses the "brightness" control.... which is level of black not a brighter picture.
is the sony good yes. the oled is better.
led halo effect.
OLED burn in
Shawn Mendes can't have everything
se pierde detalle en sony algunas veces en zonas brillates ahi lg gana ,el logo de sony fondo negro vaya tela de (halos)
En general no es una comparacion justa
earned a sub. + like!
The OLED still looks way better with much richer colors and deeper Blacks.
i own sony 4k and even i think this comparison is b.s. They reset the oled vivid mode and. not on the sony led tv.
they are using 2 different quality video and too much brightness will hurt our eyes its like looking to a flashlight directly if you are a videophile you know what i mean.
Wasn't fair, LG is at 50% brightness while Sony is at 100%
Apologize for that, I thought you really intended to do it like that. Anyhow, the OLED TV looked pretty bad against Sony's CLEDIS technology, and today that Sony has just unveiled their own OLED TV to compete with LG, goodbye to both Korean TV manufacturers; Samsung and LG
That Sony Oled TV you talk about uses an LG panel.. A lot of the profit goes to LG.
Wow this is the difference people are paying so much for (oled) it isn't even worth it for a bit better colors
they have to have the settings down on the Sony it looks to dim I have the Sony 930c and it looks way better than that this must be an LG commercial
Since when is brighter better? Calibrated for your viewing environment is what matters. In your living room or home media room they will be almost the same when calibrated. Plus the OLED has the added benefit of greatly improved black levels. The only major advantage the Sony has is the Judder. It is better on the Sony, but the OLED judder is not terrible and in 98% of content it won't be noticeable.
anyone else thinks old over saturates the image a bit?
No, you are just used to more narrow sRGB color space that cannot display those colors. When you see something that can display a larger portion of what the eye can see you get a false impression of over-saturation. Look in the real world how saturated things are. OLEDs are not over-saturated, it's the other way around - IPS panels are under-saturated.
This is what I do not understand: We spend time and money to calibrate a set to smpte standards for hd. Now HDR comes out, which is a wider color gamut with a more dynamic contrast ratio. Arent these qualities things we have been atempting to work OUT of tvs? Clearly the grass is neon green on the hdr side of the video, and things look blown out. I can do this by using the widest color gamut my hdtv displays, turning the saturation up, cranking up the contrast and turning on artificial dynamic contrast controls etc. How is HDR better? In person it looks like over exagerated contrast and colors. How is that now a good thing when its been a bad thing for years? lol
HEVC! I'm getting the Sony! I'm sold! I still believe OLED will be the future.
Personally, I still felt the OLED looked better.
I have the lg oled and it dose not look like that. pluse all 4k tvs look good playing 4k stuff. put both tvs on regulartv shows or cable tv movies and sony would not be able to stand a chance against oled.
Both good tv I would take the lg like the colors better to me and it's has 3D end of story!
+RKoen2006 Have you compared the LG with the Sony in person side by side? The Sony also has 3D....
+djlobb I am going to a high end best by today to check out some brand today to see if my mind changes will try to compare Sony with the e6 if posable
+RKoen2006 Sony is by far better in terms of colometry
+Emmanuel Santos I seen the g6 at bestbuy and a Sony not sure the model but that day lg was the best picture to me but I almost have the money to get the lg e6 but I want have bestbuy set the tvs up so I can decide but Sony doesn't have Dolby vision only lg and Visio and some other name I have never heard of but I like Sony but Sony was beat by Samsung and lg at the 2015 shootout don't know what going to happen this year will see
RKoen2006 Regarding Dolby Vision, it is an advantage to some time. When a new version will not be possible to update it. With the standard HDR10 it is possible to add improvements because it is an open source system. Some models of Sony that did not support HDR, now it support the HDR format with an update.
So, why did Sony choose to demo both televisions in a bright room with their worst-possible settings? Was this for Sony investors to appreciate the company's sleight-of-hand?
Long Live SONY
I'm certainly no tech guru so excuse me if I'm way off here, but isn't it possible that whilst the same imagery was shown on both screens, Sony could've tweaked the actual brightness, colour, saturation etc on the VIDEO/IMAGERY that was played on the OLED? If this was the case it wouldn't matter at all what adjustments you made to the tv because it would've been the content that was different. One adjusted perfectly for Sony's best picture, another to show a poor picture on OLED. Just a layman's thought. Not a Sony or OLED supporter, and personally when I've seen these tv's in person with an array of content I've never seen anything close to this much difference in pictures. OLED overall looks better imo, but probably not $2-3K + better.
TOP end LED (2016) compared with OLED from 2015 WTF...?!
OLED is the better tech , has better contrast , more black levels, (only small improvement needed is the brightness in the colors)...BUT 2017 models like Sony Bravia A1 and the newest LG are almost there !
LED is the lesser tech and becoming aged...(still LCD). We have to wait when OLED becomes mainstream... prices are already dropping.
so vivid mode right
why so serious then when its only a vivid mode lol ?
what a bunch of amateur
lousy sound quality. Couldn't hear nor comprehend what the man was talking about. A true amateur work
He must be colorblind
HDR is a dumb buzzword. OLED will have better black levels than any LCD/LED TV with "HDR".
But too much black drown out all of the hidden detail
Not with OLED I guess.
but inferior everything else. drop the price and maybe it can compete.
yeah oled is overhyped marketing technology inferior to the best IPS TFT LCD.
like someoen mentioned too much black and you can't see shit in the dark details. Thats why HDR capabilities took IPS LCD TV's to a whole new level and will last longer and is cheaper.
OLED Is for dumb rich people.
Tries to film lcd from off axis, gets tackled by Sony secret service.
demo against the LG G6. then we'll see.
Go down to a store and compare them side by side, Ask them to put a white floating text on black background on both sets, You will never buy another led tv again!OLED destroys any panel out there already, And the new HDR 2016 OLEDS are even better.
+Shane Mc Grath But an "Entry" LG B6 OLED is over 4 grand!! The Sony is half of that. Also I am ATM using a W8 and white text is a thing of the past on a good Led-lit LCD TV.
I really don't see a 2k difference in PQ. If anything the Sony well stands up to the OLED and then some...
Black levels were a real advantage when Pioneer Kuro brought out plasmas, but this 'edge-lit LCD' looks to have really good black levels and it's not really as important anymore.
The Sony is more vibrant in some scenes too. Apart from the bend issue which plagues all slimline TVs, this X930 is a bargain in comparison.
OLED destroys it in every way, Search youtube for the side by side comparison and you will see how bad the led is with floating text, The only one that comes close is the 75 inch which has full array local dimming and it still isn't quite as good, May as well buy the OLED because the price of the 75inch lcd is just as bad.
This new Sony gets beat by Samsung's KS9000 Edge lit in the local dimming area!
The grey uniformity also sucks on the Sony.
LG OLED is ranked 1, Then Samsung KS9000 at 2, Visio P series is ranked 3 then it's the new Sony at 4.
LED doesn't even come close when I see them at the shop next to each other, Get what your happy with but in no way does it compare to OLED, Watch other manufacturers start making OLED's from 2017 onwards.
Personally I am skipping LED's, was so close to ordering this new SONY but not now after seeing just how good the OLED TV's are, Rather wait it out for prices to stabilise. Still using trusty old Sony Bravia XBR KDL-52XBR4 which doesn't have any horrible bleeding like many of the new LED panels, Samsung I am calling you out on that. lol
Don't get me wrong the Sony is great and destroys my 9 year old Bravia tv in every way, But after seeing OLED I don't think I want another LCD/LED tv. ;)
I thought as well when I seen OLED in the flesh first, but after reading about all the issues I am inclined to wait for a cheaper Panasonic or Sony. It will be more mature by then too. The G6 LG range is at a cost just to keep OLED as premium as LG are the only ones going forward with it... The other Co's dont think its ready and I am inclined to agree. A little bit of blooming to save 3 grand. Thats fine by me. The images on the face of it are very close now.:-)
john jordan Once you have it you should be set for several years easy. Agree, $3k is a lot of money, Many people don't even spend that 3k difference in an entire tv purchase.
I'll try hold out a bit longer for OLED but temptation is always there to just get the Sony HDR now. lol
Enjoy the Sony, Please let us all know how it is. Any issues you may notice once it's settled in if any, Would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers Shane... But the x850c 55" is going handy now. HDR is meant to be decent on it too.
Who needs google tv? I think thats why they threw on their own separate Sony GUI too. I will use it purely for movies-TV programs...and EURO 2016!
OLED will be my next TV Im sure of i.
The only thing by then; "4K HDR is yesterdays news, now try 8KTV with Dolby ultra-super vision-HDR!!!" 2018/19 The TV Co's cannot help themselves lol.
I work at Bestbuy and I sell both these tvs all the time, oled are great but I will say this.. They burn in worse than plasma!!!!
Best Buy employees have a basic understanding of plasma and oled, but I read stuff on it all the time and find I know far more than they do. The earliest models of plasma had burn in, but they fixed that. I have had a plasma for ten years and game on it all the time. i have never ever had any burn in. LG has also fixed this problem with it's third and fourth generation oled sets...there is no burn in to speak of. Quit spreading false claims of burn in.
+ABRAHAM LINCOLN I work for magnolia design centers, I know little bit more than just basic knowledge. The only plasmas I didn't have major burn were high and very expensive plasmas, like the old Pioneer elite. Oleds still burn in there current models, have at least two customers every couple weeks or so that use their Best Buy protection to get an exchange because they burn, oled and current models. Oled tvs are the future, but with their horrible motion for basic TV, and streaming services. They have a long way to go and current High-end LEDs are way better. The Sony X930d and x940 have better upscaling and far better motion. I go to CES and major vendor shows every year. Just because you want to hop on the Oled ban wagon. Don't pretend you have manufacturing or hands-on experience that I get on an every day basis.
+ABRAHAM LINCOLN I have work on Tuesday I'll make sure to take pictures of the major Burns on our oleds and post them for you, so you can understand a little better before you talk
...and the blue pixel of oleds degrade over time!
Lg pointer remote is a pain in the ass.
Formula: Imagen Vivo, Luminusidad 100, contraste 100, brillo 50, nitidez 30, color 70, tinte 0, temperatura c50 o c5 = HDR, saludos. Que no los estafen.