The government of a free society has no business telling an adult citizen what he can or can not offer for sale, barring the obvious exception of things that are unstable and highly dangerous. You have the freedom to _not_ buy something. You don't need Big Brother to make it _illegal_ for you to buy that thing.
@@utkuozdemir3111 *"...you can cancel ads out through your router. It isn't difficult and it works."* That is a helpful comment. Also, one doesn't have to connect his TV to the Web. I use an LG 55" 4K OLED as a gaming PC monitor. It's the freedom thing again. I have the freedom to reject a product, or if possible to use it in a way that works for me. Getting the government involved increases restrictions and reduces options for the consumer.
used market? open box deals? I got my 55" LG B9 used for €650, then sold it recently for €550 cause I bought an open box 55" LG C2 for €500. can't afford things (like me)? get creative!
Just bought the 77G4 and next to my S95B and X95K, there is a very clear upgrade in picture quality. Never was an LG fan, but this is in my opinion the best oled out there and will probably stay that way for some time. Important in my opinion is to set color always to original instead of automatic. Automatic doesn’t give you the full impact in color. And yes, brightness does matter a lot for HDR impact. If you buy a tv, buy this. This tv is a true technical pinnacle.
just recently bought an open box 55" C2 for €500. I am sure the G4 is fantastic, but even deals like mine aside, it's not the TV everyone should run out and buy.
@@DrakonRthis people are marketing stuff or extreme rich people... no other reason someone advice you to buy New LG or Samsung TV 😂😂😂.. just buy last year model for regular price and you are great
Hi! When you talk about the color volume/luminance vs. QD-OLEDs - to bridge the gap between numerical data and practice, what really should (IMO) be the focus is how much of the content that people usually watch will take advantage of the headroom that QD-OLED has. My understanding is that nearly all content that we watch in daily life resides almost entirely within WOLEDs' capabilities, which renders the QD-OLEDs' advantage an academic curiosity, or perhaps something that Vivid mode users will enjoy. I'm saying this as a tech enthusiast who binged TV reviews for months and got an LG G2 -equivalent OLED - only to spend most of my time watching anime on it. Every couple months I will put on an HDR video on the TH-cam app and be reminded of the TV's real capabilities. I really am left wondering if I'd been better off saving the money and just buying an LCD TV due to the content I watch.
My G4 as well as others, and potentially all of LG's 2024 OLEDs, are exhibiting a strange grid-like artifact in dim areas of content when in motion. Relatively subtle motion is the easiest to notice, but the effect goes away when the content stops moving. This occurs regardless of source/picture mode/SDR/HDR/game mode/4:4:4 passthrough setting, so it seems like an undefeatable processing mechanism or bug? A few posts on AVS and Reddit have described the phenomenon. You have to be fairly close to the TV to notice, so it's mainly a factor for people using it as a PC monitor.
Every newer and better model OLED TV makes me want to buy one. But then I have to remind myself tech is only going to get better and better. Maybe after a few more years if my C2 shows any need for replacement.
You absolutely will notice the sample and hold blur. I wish you wouldn't downplay it so much. Does BFI pulse at both 60hz and 120hz on this model to address that?
The G4 offers 60 Hz BFI but not 120 Hz BFI. However, BFI (and cathode ray tube flicker, for that matter), causes me so much literally painful eye strain that I would prefer other solutions to BFI like either putting up with the sample and hold blur, or turning on frame interpolation which some people deride as the soap opera effect. The soap opera effect generally does not bother me unless it is badly done, but bothers a lot of other people. Low frame rate sources such as films annoy me with their inherent stutter, even when played in native playback environments such as movie theaters or displays that can natively display 24 FPS content. I know that some people love BFI, but it is literally painful eyestrain for my eyes, so it is useless to me. I also understand that motion interpolation also adds lag, so that can be bad for some games. I guess that different people prefer different solutions for motion blur. If you really need 120 Hz BFI, try one of the new Gen3 QD-OLED monitors like the Asus ROG Swift OLED PGUCDM. 120 Hz BFI is not an option for TV-sized QD-OLEDs. It is only for monitor-sized Gen3 QD-OLEDs.
That's a fair point, but it's important to note that the larger size, the 97", is the only size that doesn't feature its MLA layer, so it's hard for us to properly tell you how it performs against competitors since we only tested the 65" model!
As others have said, many of us g4 owners are suffering from hdmi problems, specifically for me when I switch from any onboard streaming app (It seems after watching for 10 or so minutes rather than instantly changing) to hdmi 2 the screen goes liney/fuzzy. After unplugging the tv, the issue resolves. Is there any chance you guys could test this out for us? Lg may actually investigate the issue properly if they hear from someone like rtings. Thanks.
What's the contrast ratio in a not dark room for lifted blacks compared to qd oleds? And which tv in day light veiwing has more 3d pop in sdr and hdr? Day light comparisons should include bravia 9 mini led and lcd especially for sdr comparison. A lot of content is sdr and hdr is streamed low bit rate so having a good processor is important but so is the panel with contrast ratio being a factor. So overall brightness in a 100% window adds to contrast ratio and lifted blacks diminish them as well. Also a lot of content do not have pure black in their content so the benefit of pure blacks of oled is quite limited for regular content. So in that case bright room viewing and measuring contrast in a bright room makes more sense as a comparison.
Yeah 90+ stuff I watch is SDR. I watch random stuff like”Impractical Jokers, Law n Crime , TLC , Breaking Armish…type of things….” Lol. I care more about Hisense n Samsung than Gamming at night. I think most ppl buying $4000 tv are established . Like PPL married with 2 kids 1 large dog they dont care about sports coup car. They need a at last 6 Seater SUV the Racing car talk is kinda like out of their intent. Most ppl buy those 75-85” size tv they are not moving around like first yr university, they are more like stationary living situation n need FAMILY TV/CAR not Gamming at night , 1 trick pony. I dont know who EVER watching MOVIES ALL d TIME daily lol. 😝 Yeah I will still do S95C n Hisense U8N U9N for Vibrancy n Color Density/volume.
HI ABBY HELP,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Is there a way to fix the STUTTER on this TV ??? I watch FREE to AIR 1080p USB MOVIES 10bit , TV Shows and 1080p STREAMING ??? Will smooth motion CLEAR the STUTTER and JUTTER Completely
My C1 recently started doing the switch off thing you mentioned with changes of refresh rates - but mine just does it when connected with the Nvidia shield, I have to plug the power cable.. has done it 3/4 times now.. so annoying.
@@KraSH84 wow, an exception to the rule. Who woulda thought?! We're not talking about being within the return window. It's also a weird flex you're trying to pull. You returned a G3.. so you could spend more.. and get a POS soundbar with the TV. Not a flex, at all.
It must be that people just don't get that if you actually want to be able to experience the full contrast an OLED is capable of showing your eyes. You need a light controlled room to use it in. I bet all these people wanting it ever brighter is watching in room with massive bright windows or something silly like that. I have been more than satisfied for HDR brightness ever since we got over 400 nits in a dark room.
What is this --- Frame Hold Time at 60 FPS is 14.4 ms??? It doesn't actually hold the frame for the full duration, but has a small down time, like a very long square wave pulse? I had never heard of this before. It would of course slightly reduce Eye-Tracking Motion Blur, but if this is already done I don't understand why they don't include the ability to adjust the pulse width, and even better, to include a mode which emulates the pulse envelope of a CRT. It's a simple matter to automatically adjust brightness as a function of pulse width. This is the correct way to reduce the pulse width of a frame, whereas "Black Frame Insertion" is a goofy work-around. If LG et al. are not going to offer OLED displays which approach the motion quality of CRT, I wish a new company would purchase OLED panels and design its own displays with its own custom driver circuitry so that we could once again have the same clarity of motion we had 80 years ago.
LG should get some points for the fact that they let us to disable Home Promotion‚ Content Recommendation and Screen Saver Promotion. Others don't do that.
I own three OLEDs - two LGs (2016 and 2022 C1) and a Sony. The LG C1 is great for gaming but the UI (and remote) is still complete dogshit, even updated to the latest version. I don't think the shittiness is readily apparent until you have to live with the thing. LG just can't do UX, and if it wasn't for the gaming performance I'd have stuck with Sony. On the plus side LG have really improved their motion handling since 2016, to the extent that it's no longer distractingly bad.
LG is not back with vengeance LG four is the same as LG three except it may get a little brighter but in real life video quality the G3 seems to be a little brighter and better if you want a reliable true in-depth review of the LG G4 check out HD TV test with Mr. Vincent
Hello! Help with personalized buying advice is something our experts offer only via our insider forums www.rtings.com/forums/insider-advice. We do have lots of self-service tools and recommendation articles that should be helpful as well though!
I'm surprised you didn't discuss ambient black levels when comparing WOLED and QD-OLED. That's a huge real-world difference that directly impacts the main selling point of OLEDs. WOLEDs have a key advantage in this field, that needs to be considered as part of image quality. I know it's not part of your main testing panel. Maybe contrast testing shouldn't be limited to a pitch-black room...?
The giant elephant in the room that was ignored was the S95D. Brighter and more colour with a more useable panel finish for the average person? Somehow lower rated and not a mention?
Some people like me prefer a blurred reflection to a sharp one. A sharp reflection is more annoying to me than one that is blurred, but other people are annoyed more by a blurry reflection on a TV than a sharp one.
@@christianmarmol3230 neck and neck means they can compete and one comes close at times but the key words. “ A95L still has the best processing” takes the cake. not arguable
What I´m wondering after reading your reviews of the G4 and the S90D: How can the G4 even compete in terms of picture quality with its peak color brightness being half of the S90D across all colors except from white? Are scenes with such intense colors so rare that it doesn´t matter so much?
There are those who have no option but to use a stand, like those who move so frequently due to their jobs that owning a house is not a sensible option, so they rent apartments between moves. When you rent an apartment, putting holes in the wall to mount a TV is damage that the landlord will have to repair and charge the tenant for when the tenant moves out.
Wanna stand ? Buy c4 wanna wall buy g3 ? As i said g means gallery not stand ! Actually its bite on 77. Wanna wall mount buy 77 and what policy by lg ..
@@nickitaabitov1265 There are many more differences between the G series and the C series than having a wall mount or a stand in the box. The G3 and G4 include MLA which mitigates the unacceptable pink tint that bugs TVs with Gen2 WOLED panels like the C3 and C4, and the G4 also fixes or mitigates other issues that affect previous generation LG WOLED TVs such as black crush and near black chrominance overshoot. I wish that LG would revive its E series for premium WOLED TVs on a stand. LG clearly intends its C series to be a midrange TV series instead of a premium TV series, but still could use a premium stand-optimized series in my opinion like the E-series was. The G could stand for “great” since it is LG’s only premium 4K WOLED series.
@@nickitaabitov1265 I have a 77 G3 on an LG stand, because I wanted the best, not the inferior C3, but have no option to mount it on the wall... Got it ?
Rtings somehow never fails to push or mention Samsung TVs in their videos. First excite the customers about certain brand which they are interested in, and then confuse them by saying you can get a Samsung with similar specs for half the price. Typical Samsung salesman’s strategy.
Please do some high-scrutiny tests for panel issues, particularly things like DSE and the pink-green alternating discoloration, which I have had on THREE new 55" C2 panels. I suspect it is a defect of that panel's manufacturing process as it appears to possibly be a polarising or anti-glare layer issue, possibly due to uneven lamination during fabrication. This is speculation on my part but it seems plausible, as the fundamental colour reproduction of the pixels across the colour gamut is still ok. It looks like the identical visual artifact I can reproduce on my Sony smartphone's OLED panel, if I hold it significantly off-axis to sunlight and at a diagonal relative to viewing. However the phone screen becomes fine again when viewed head-on. By contrast, the C2's panel however exhibits distinct horizontal banding across the full width, in the bottom half of the panel, regardless of being on-axis or off-axis. The visual symptom is that the underlying pixel colour response is fine, but there's an overlay of discolored red/pink and green banding. Some people have it on corners of their panels, some people have it in the middle of panels (like my first two Poland-made panels), some people have it on the top or bottom of panels. My third unit has it horizontally on the bottom 40% of the vertical area. I sit in the 'perfect' viewing position and distance and it's still very obvious on greyscales, whites and flat colours. I had to return two units before I got one which was tolerable.
G4s appear to have an HDMI issue hitting more and more owners. Please test this in your lab and confirm if you can reproduce the fault. th-cam.com/video/tvuDmguQS9A/w-d-xo.htmlsi=h1UUlK2tPbWMKSH7
Just literally bought and paid for my 55" G4. It will be delivered and wall mounted in 3 days time. Richer Sounds have thrown in a £900 LG soundbar as part of the deal. Can't wait to watch 4K blue rays and game on this TV
😮😮WAIT!!!! 8.3/10 😢COLOR VOLUME. !!!! NOOOO. I would do UX U9N QM8 Samsung S95C S95D all over 9/10 Color volume. Bright vibrant images can be Tinty🧩🌸🌷 vs solid visual. 🥬🌺 🌹. The brighter d tv the HIGHER Color Density/Volume we need. Otherwise bright content can suffer the same fate that the PROJECTION tv has tinty .
I did the new WebOs update for my B3 and now I have to unplug it from the wall at least once a week due to it locking up or black screening. It's not just the G4.
Just ordered a g4. Should I watch streaming app through the native tv apps or an Apple TV? Will I lose some of the a11 processing if I use Apple TV apps? Also any recommendations for a different remote than the magic remote that comes with it?
Lots of great stuff but I think a lot of buyers realize we should have hoped to see this in the C range by now instead of that range stalling out for so many years. It's a trickle down world.
I considered the B4, saw the G4.. not sure of the two i want, now i gotta look into Samsung, since they want customers, sell premium TV with ads? LG gone mental, are they determined, make buyers dislike their product? Dilute quality with ads..
RTINGS needs to test brightness of mid-grey at all window sizes as well as fully white, and I suppose to be thorough you need to test peak white window sizes with a mid-gray background. In every hands-on comparison the G4 is significantly brighter than any other OLED or QD-OLED in pictures with a high average brightness across the whole frame (e.g. daytime landscape), if you only measure peak white you don't know how much the display is dimming all the content around the highlights.
Most of us don't upgrade our TV every year, so a comparison between the G4 and older OLED models would be very helpful. I'm using an LG B7 and I'm just now considering an upgrade, but these videos don't help very much unfortunately.
@@isak6626 nobody is going to make that comparison because people weren't collecting that type of information in that generation. Considering how things have improved between the CX to the G4, it would be safe to say it would be a good upgrade.
Been saying the same thing for over a decade on most TV’s. Far too many things to enable and disable that users lose track. I wish companies would manufacture a device that says use HDMI source 1 for gaming experience, HDMI source 2 for movies and HDMI source three for sports etc etc.
It is not just a rumor. The manual for the G4 lists model numbers for stands for the 77, 83, and 97 inch models. However, they are not yet available as of the time of this post.
BFI (and cathode ray tube flicker, for that matter), causes me so much literally painful eye strain that I would prefer other solutions to BFI like either putting up with the sample and hold blur, or turning on frame interpolation which some people deride as the soap opera effect. The soap opera effect generally does not bother me unless it is badly done, but bothers a lot of other people. Low frame rate sources such as films annoy me with their inherent stutter, even when played in native playback environments such as movie theaters or displays that can natively display 24 FPS content. I know that some people love BFI, but it is literally painful eyestrain for my eyes, so it is useless to me. I also understand that motion interpolation also adds lag, so that can be bad for some games. I guess that different people prefer different solutions for motion blur. If you really need 120 Hz BFI, try one of the new Gen3 QD-OLED monitors like the Asus ROG Swift OLED PGUCDM. 120 Hz BFI is not an option for TV-sized QD-OLEDs. It is only for monitor-sized Gen3 QD-OLEDs.
I bought it couple days ago after I sold my kidneys and liver, it was worth it .. I try to find any flaws but didn’t find anything. One of my best purchase !!!!!
Ads included in the app of a tv should be illegal
The government of a free society has no business telling an adult citizen what he can or can not offer for sale, barring the obvious exception of things that are unstable and highly dangerous.
You have the freedom to _not_ buy something. You don't need Big Brother to make it _illegal_ for you to buy that thing.
L. @@bricaaron3978
Agreed, but you can cancel ads out through your router. It isn't difficult and it works.
@@utkuozdemir3111 *"...you can cancel ads out through your router. It isn't difficult and it works."*
That is a helpful comment. Also, one doesn't have to connect his TV to the Web. I use an LG 55" 4K OLED as a gaming PC monitor.
It's the freedom thing again. I have the freedom to reject a product, or if possible to use it in a way that works for me. Getting the government involved increases restrictions and reduces options for the consumer.
@@bricaaron3978 what about illegal things?
God I love watching these videos about TV's I want and cannot afford!
We're glad you do 😂
You must not want it bad enough. If you did, you’d make it happen.
used market? open box deals? I got my 55" LG B9 used for €650, then sold it recently for €550 cause I bought an open box 55" LG C2 for €500. can't afford things (like me)? get creative!
@@IntotheFurther.do you also tell homeless people to just buy a house?
Well that's an obnoxious response. @@IntotheFurther.
Just bought the 77G4 and next to my S95B and X95K, there is a very clear upgrade in picture quality. Never was an LG fan, but this is in my opinion the best oled out there and will probably stay that way for some time. Important in my opinion is to set color always to original instead of automatic. Automatic doesn’t give you the full impact in color. And yes, brightness does matter a lot for HDR impact. If you buy a tv, buy this. This tv is a true technical pinnacle.
just recently bought an open box 55" C2 for €500. I am sure the G4 is fantastic, but even deals like mine aside, it's not the TV everyone should run out and buy.
Stay that way for some time? Ya.. until next year's model comes out. You guys always make ridiculous statements.
@@HazewinDogyou are smart enough to understand what is best purchase 👏👏👌
@@DrakonRthis people are marketing stuff or extreme rich people... no other reason someone advice you to buy New LG or Samsung TV 😂😂😂.. just buy last year model for regular price and you are great
The S95B still hits over 1000nits peak brightness and has great QD color volume. Its what? 3 generations old now, obviously it gets better in 3 years.
Hi! When you talk about the color volume/luminance vs. QD-OLEDs - to bridge the gap between numerical data and practice, what really should (IMO) be the focus is how much of the content that people usually watch will take advantage of the headroom that QD-OLED has.
My understanding is that nearly all content that we watch in daily life resides almost entirely within WOLEDs' capabilities, which renders the QD-OLEDs' advantage an academic curiosity, or perhaps something that Vivid mode users will enjoy.
I'm saying this as a tech enthusiast who binged TV reviews for months and got an LG G2 -equivalent OLED - only to spend most of my time watching anime on it. Every couple months I will put on an HDR video on the TH-cam app and be reminded of the TV's real capabilities. I really am left wondering if I'd been better off saving the money and just buying an LCD TV due to the content I watch.
I don’t know about regular content, but for gaming, I find that the QD-OLED’s colours really shine.
the black screen happened to my C4 as well, thought i broke the tv but just had to unplug from the wall and it was fine afterwards.
Disappointing they removed ATSC 3.0 on the G4. Seems puzzling on a high end set.
I think it’s a bit of a niche feature for the average buyer. Even if us tv nerds care about it
Its high end, but not their rich people super high end. They mostly care about that.
I think Samsung did the same thing.
Last I heard there are some major issues with it. Not from a technological standpoint but from a dcma and rights perspective.
it was removed because a Pattent Troll won a massive lawsuit last year. So ATSC may be dead for now.
Another great review. Well done RTINGS!
Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed the review 😄
My G4 as well as others, and potentially all of LG's 2024 OLEDs, are exhibiting a strange grid-like artifact in dim areas of content when in motion. Relatively subtle motion is the easiest to notice, but the effect goes away when the content stops moving. This occurs regardless of source/picture mode/SDR/HDR/game mode/4:4:4 passthrough setting, so it seems like an undefeatable processing mechanism or bug? A few posts on AVS and Reddit have described the phenomenon. You have to be fairly close to the TV to notice, so it's mainly a factor for people using it as a PC monitor.
I am in love with my C3 65 inches and it nearly blinds me with full brightness so more nits don't matter to me
Until you see a g4 in person and think, damn i would take that extra brightness finally
Every newer and better model OLED TV makes me want to buy one. But then I have to remind myself tech is only going to get better and better. Maybe after a few more years if my C2 shows any need for replacement.
Why cite Rec 2020 colour performance if no such content exists...? 🤔
I'm cool with the LG C3 I just bought..panel uniformity on my unit is damn near perfect
Glad to hear it! The C3 is an amazing TV, enjoy! 😄
Why would the TV lose brightness in Gamemode anyway? That doesn't make sense....
I'll wait for the G5
i wish your reviews included black crush without calibration
You absolutely will notice the sample and hold blur. I wish you wouldn't downplay it so much. Does BFI pulse at both 60hz and 120hz on this model to address that?
The G4 offers 60 Hz BFI but not 120 Hz BFI. However, BFI (and cathode ray tube flicker, for that matter), causes me so much literally painful eye strain that I would prefer other solutions to BFI like either putting up with the sample and hold blur, or turning on frame interpolation which some people deride as the soap opera effect. The soap opera effect generally does not bother me unless it is badly done, but bothers a lot of other people. Low frame rate sources such as films annoy me with their inherent stutter, even when played in native playback environments such as movie theaters or displays that can natively display 24 FPS content.
I know that some people love BFI, but it is literally painful eyestrain for my eyes, so it is useless to me.
I also understand that motion interpolation also adds lag, so that can be bad for some games.
I guess that different people prefer different solutions for motion blur.
If you really need 120 Hz BFI, try one of the new Gen3 QD-OLED monitors like the Asus ROG Swift OLED PGUCDM. 120 Hz BFI is not an option for TV-sized QD-OLEDs. It is only for monitor-sized Gen3 QD-OLEDs.
Why do you pronounce RTINGS as "ratings"? It's clearly "arrtings".
Its an expensive A and we’re not pirates, so Ratings😂
Missed one of the pro's also being its available in larger models other than 77inches like the 83inch. I'd say that's certainly a pro.
That's a fair point, but it's important to note that the larger size, the 97", is the only size that doesn't feature its MLA layer, so it's hard for us to properly tell you how it performs against competitors since we only tested the 65" model!
As others have said, many of us g4 owners are suffering from hdmi problems, specifically for me when I switch from any onboard streaming app (It seems after watching for 10 or so minutes rather than instantly changing) to hdmi 2 the screen goes liney/fuzzy. After unplugging the tv, the issue resolves. Is there any chance you guys could test this out for us? Lg may actually investigate the issue properly if they hear from someone like rtings. Thanks.
We've heard from the community that this is an issue, specifically with HDMI 2. We've currently planned to take a further look into it!
Do you know if the Ethernet LAN port is finally 1Gbps or still 100Mbps as on previous models?
Unfortunately, this isn't data we have at the moment, but we hope to start testing this in a future methodology update!
What's the contrast ratio in a not dark room for lifted blacks compared to qd oleds? And which tv in day light veiwing has more 3d pop in sdr and hdr? Day light comparisons should include bravia 9 mini led and lcd especially for sdr comparison.
A lot of content is sdr and hdr is streamed low bit rate so having a good processor is important but so is the panel with contrast ratio being a factor. So overall brightness in a 100% window adds to contrast ratio and lifted blacks diminish them as well. Also a lot of content do not have pure black in their content so the benefit of pure blacks of oled is quite limited for regular content.
So in that case bright room viewing and measuring contrast in a bright room makes more sense as a comparison.
Yeah 90+ stuff I watch is SDR. I watch random stuff like”Impractical Jokers, Law n Crime , TLC , Breaking Armish…type of things….” Lol. I care more about Hisense n Samsung than Gamming at night. I think most ppl buying $4000 tv are established . Like PPL married with 2 kids 1 large dog they dont care about sports coup car. They need a at last 6 Seater SUV the Racing car talk is kinda like out of their intent. Most ppl buy those 75-85” size tv they are not moving around like first yr university, they are more like stationary living situation n need FAMILY TV/CAR not Gamming at night , 1 trick pony. I dont know who EVER watching MOVIES ALL d TIME daily lol. 😝 Yeah I will still do S95C n Hisense U8N U9N for Vibrancy n Color Density/volume.
Can you purchase the stand for the 83” G4?
HI ABBY HELP,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Is there a way to fix the STUTTER on this TV ??? I watch FREE to AIR 1080p USB MOVIES 10bit , TV Shows and 1080p STREAMING ??? Will smooth motion CLEAR the STUTTER and JUTTER Completely
My C1 recently started doing the switch off thing you mentioned with changes of refresh rates - but mine just does it when connected with the Nvidia shield, I have to plug the power cable.. has done it 3/4 times now.. so annoying.
What stand are you using for the tv? I see that the G4 does not come with a stand and only the wall mount.
no 3.5mm headphones jack
Still hard time justifying price jump between G3 and G4
If you want an 83" with MLA it's the only choice. They also fixed the issue with game mode losing color and overall brightness.
@@Daywalker78 My thoughts exactly. Even if you want one of the smaller sizes for gaming, the G4 is the only choice.
Why would you ever upgrade one generation? Talk about a waste of money.
Depends. I returned my G3 and got a G4 with free soundbar for only £500 more direct with LG cracking deal.
@@KraSH84 wow, an exception to the rule. Who woulda thought?! We're not talking about being within the return window.
It's also a weird flex you're trying to pull. You returned a G3.. so you could spend more.. and get a POS soundbar with the TV. Not a flex, at all.
Wtf are people so obsessed with screen brightness? My LG C1 nearly blinds me when HDR content comes on the screen.
Agree. Hell my 14 yr old plasma is too bright on hockey games
Skill issue
Eye issue.
Brighter is better for hdr, it extends the dynamic range. Assuming contrast stays the same.
It must be that people just don't get that if you actually want to be able to experience the full contrast an OLED is capable of showing your eyes.
You need a light controlled room to use it in.
I bet all these people wanting it ever brighter is watching in room with massive bright windows or something silly like that.
I have been more than satisfied for HDR brightness ever since we got over 400 nits in a dark room.
8:59 nice joke. You absolutely notice lmao. This is why they offer BFI to clear the blur out.
Cringe
I really wish this came is 48 inch. It would be perfect for a PC monitor.
Does your G4 also get crazy hot?
What is this --- Frame Hold Time at 60 FPS is 14.4 ms??? It doesn't actually hold the frame for the full duration, but has a small down time, like a very long square wave pulse?
I had never heard of this before. It would of course slightly reduce Eye-Tracking Motion Blur, but if this is already done I don't understand why they don't include the ability to adjust the pulse width, and even better, to include a mode which emulates the pulse envelope of a CRT. It's a simple matter to automatically adjust brightness as a function of pulse width.
This is the correct way to reduce the pulse width of a frame, whereas "Black Frame Insertion" is a goofy work-around.
If LG et al. are not going to offer OLED displays which approach the motion quality of CRT, I wish a new company would purchase OLED panels and design its own displays with its own custom driver circuitry so that we could once again have the same clarity of motion we had 80 years ago.
LG obviously thinks their consumers are fools who will buy their advertisement-serving units baked into their TV's.
LG should get some points for the fact that they let us to disable Home Promotion‚ Content Recommendation and Screen Saver Promotion. Others don't do that.
I always wondered what’s the numpad for on the remote?
*Old man grumble*
Back in my day, we used that to dial what channel we wanted to watch
*Proceeds to yell at cloud*
So it's better this or the S95d Samsung?
I'd check out the comparison tool on their website. The Anti-Reflective coating is a no go for me so I'd pick the G4 any day of the week.
I missed one connection box
Does 77 inch come with stand?
It does not!
VRR flickering test ??
We've currently only rolled that test out for monitors. We hope to apply it to our tv reviews at some point though!
I own three OLEDs - two LGs (2016 and 2022 C1) and a Sony. The LG C1 is great for gaming but the UI (and remote) is still complete dogshit, even updated to the latest version. I don't think the shittiness is readily apparent until you have to live with the thing. LG just can't do UX, and if it wasn't for the gaming performance I'd have stuck with Sony. On the plus side LG have really improved their motion handling since 2016, to the extent that it's no longer distractingly bad.
LG is not back with vengeance LG four is the same as LG three except it may get a little brighter but in real life video quality the G3 seems to be a little brighter and better if you want a reliable true in-depth review of the LG G4 check out HD TV test with Mr. Vincent
To be fair the G4 does have a different processor than the G3
Where in 2008 did they get that stand design from?
LG G4 or Sony Bravia 9?
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I'm surprised you didn't discuss ambient black levels when comparing WOLED and QD-OLED. That's a huge real-world difference that directly impacts the main selling point of OLEDs. WOLEDs have a key advantage in this field, that needs to be considered as part of image quality.
I know it's not part of your main testing panel. Maybe contrast testing shouldn't be limited to a pitch-black room...?
We can only include so much info in our video reviews but do cover more things in our full review on our website!
Should I upgrade my C1 to get 24 more frames?
Nah, wait until we get a proper 240hz at least.
We know they can do it because their monitors already support it.
I bet next year it is time.
Yes
Get a monitor
No 120 hz BFI is more important and the c1 has that but this does not
The giant elephant in the room that was ignored was the S95D.
Brighter and more colour with a more useable panel finish for the average person? Somehow lower rated and not a mention?
The average person isn't buying the flagship TV and enthusiasts want a better image that comes from glossy, not matte.
The lg g4 has a better image vs the s95d and the Sony 95l . We all see things differently that suits our tastes though
in another review against the Samsung you find fault with this TV with color and HDR
Anything's better than the horrible matte finish that Samsung do..
I was going to switch from my C9 to a S95D and then I saw the awful matte finish
Went with a G4 instead and it is truly stunning
you think samsung is fool ??? biggest tv manufacturer
Some people like me prefer a blurred reflection to a sharp one. A sharp reflection is more annoying to me than one that is blurred, but other people are annoyed more by a blurry reflection on a TV than a sharp one.
At the end of her A95l review she said it was the best tv they have ever rated and she didn't say it for this so looks like sony holds its crown
Lol
the A95l is still considered the best tv as she clearly made known with the processor at the end of the video
Qd oled wins.
She said the G4 rivals the A95l so their both neck and neck /tie buddy boy
@@christianmarmol3230 neck and neck means they can compete and one comes close at times but the key words. “ A95L still has the best processing” takes the cake. not arguable
should be illegal to say its the same when its not
What I´m wondering after reading your reviews of the G4 and the S90D: How can the G4 even compete in terms of picture quality with its peak color brightness being half of the S90D across all colors except from white? Are scenes with such intense colors so rare that it doesn´t matter so much?
❤Abby is Happy! ❤
Still, an OLED gets burn in, no thanks. I've replaced 2 panels never again.
Abby you are fucking amazing
For some reason unknown to me, it comes without a wallmount. what idiot would put 65 on a stand?! G-gallery ? or G-we are idiots ?
There are those who have no option but to use a stand, like those who move so frequently due to their jobs that owning a house is not a sensible option, so they rent apartments between moves. When you rent an apartment, putting holes in the wall to mount a TV is damage that the landlord will have to repair and charge the tenant for when the tenant moves out.
Wanna stand ? Buy c4 wanna wall buy g3 ? As i said g means gallery not stand ! Actually its bite on 77. Wanna wall mount buy 77 and what policy by lg ..
@@nickitaabitov1265 There are many more differences between the G series and the C series than having a wall mount or a stand in the box. The G3 and G4 include MLA which mitigates the unacceptable pink tint that bugs TVs with Gen2 WOLED panels like the C3 and C4, and the G4 also fixes or mitigates other issues that affect previous generation LG WOLED TVs such as black crush and near black chrominance overshoot.
I wish that LG would revive its E series for premium WOLED TVs on a stand. LG clearly intends its C series to be a midrange TV series instead of a premium TV series, but still could use a premium stand-optimized series in my opinion like the E-series was.
The G could stand for “great” since it is LG’s only premium 4K WOLED series.
@@nickitaabitov1265 I have a 77 G3 on an LG stand, because I wanted the best, not the inferior C3, but have no option to mount it on the wall... Got it ?
I like her. She's fun.
G4 just a better G3, G3 not just a better G2 and G2 just a better G1.SO...........
Bro said a whole lot of nothing
G3 is much better than the G2... G4 is a bit better than the G3... See the difference ?
@@AndrasMihalyi Don’t side with the person who got ratioed
splendid review
Rtings somehow never fails to push or mention Samsung TVs in their videos. First excite the customers about certain brand which they are interested in, and then confuse them by saying you can get a Samsung with similar specs for half the price. Typical Samsung salesman’s strategy.
Exactly. Why buy this Porsche when you could have this Hyundai with similar features
Hi Abby, possibly my next TV to buy this year.😊i will wait until Black Friday and the holiday season.😊
These comments about color and the g4 lacking . Must be my preference but I found it to be better than the s95d I had and returned for the lg G4 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks Abby/rtings. Looking forward to the mini LED reviews landing for the new sets, hopefully soon
Please do some high-scrutiny tests for panel issues, particularly things like DSE and the pink-green alternating discoloration, which I have had on THREE new 55" C2 panels. I suspect it is a defect of that panel's manufacturing process as it appears to possibly be a polarising or anti-glare layer issue, possibly due to uneven lamination during fabrication. This is speculation on my part but it seems plausible, as the fundamental colour reproduction of the pixels across the colour gamut is still ok.
It looks like the identical visual artifact I can reproduce on my Sony smartphone's OLED panel, if I hold it significantly off-axis to sunlight and at a diagonal relative to viewing. However the phone screen becomes fine again when viewed head-on. By contrast, the C2's panel however exhibits distinct horizontal banding across the full width, in the bottom half of the panel, regardless of being on-axis or off-axis.
The visual symptom is that the underlying pixel colour response is fine, but there's an overlay of discolored red/pink and green banding. Some people have it on corners of their panels, some people have it in the middle of panels (like my first two Poland-made panels), some people have it on the top or bottom of panels. My third unit has it horizontally on the bottom 40% of the vertical area. I sit in the 'perfect' viewing position and distance and it's still very obvious on greyscales, whites and flat colours. I had to return two units before I got one which was tolerable.
I'll stay on my cx for a while longer
Just bought mine yesterday 😊
I really want to see this vs the bravia 9
you guys are the best, the notebookcheck of tvs
Thanks for the kind words! 😄
Ordered one of these to replace my CX. Can't wait.
Considering the same! How has it been? A95L on the radar too.
Verdict? I’m looking at making the same upgrade, worthwhile upgrade? Also looking at the a95l.
How come you put doly vision as a positive for sony. We all know they can't or won't fix it at this point.
G4s appear to have an HDMI issue hitting more and more owners. Please test this in your lab and confirm if you can reproduce the fault.
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How's the image processing compared to the G3?
Great review as usual! Almost perfect set except for the outdated remote and the removal of the ATSC 3.0 tuner which is totally lame.
Just literally bought and paid for my 55" G4. It will be delivered and wall mounted in 3 days time. Richer Sounds have thrown in a £900 LG soundbar as part of the deal. Can't wait to watch 4K blue rays and game on this TV
USB 2.0 or 3.x? Lan with 1000Mbps?
2.0. 100 Mbps
Just bought a 77" G3 woth the stand for $2250 on clearance. Thanks G4 for making the G3 cheaper
I just bought G4 77 for 2999 after taxes
Why would anybody want the stand over the flat wall mount?
Then just get the C version.
Huh? I detest wall mounted TVs and I always get the tabletop stand. G4 is a better TV than C4, so that’s why I ordered the G4 with the tabletop stand
Because I don’t want to hang a tv in my apartment, but the G4 is obviously the better tv. Honestly, what kind of a question is that?
😮😮WAIT!!!! 8.3/10 😢COLOR VOLUME. !!!! NOOOO. I would do UX U9N QM8 Samsung S95C S95D all over 9/10 Color volume. Bright vibrant images can be Tinty🧩🌸🌷 vs solid visual. 🥬🌺 🌹. The brighter d tv the HIGHER Color Density/Volume we need. Otherwise bright content can suffer the same fate that the PROJECTION tv has tinty .
I did the new WebOs update for my B3 and now I have to unplug it from the wall at least once a week due to it locking up or black screening. It's not just the G4.
That can be annoying
I hope MLA comes to the 97” g5.
The mega display wars has begun.
S90d is better. Better brightness and much higher color gamut. Only DV is missing
Once LG reaches 240hz TV I'll upgrade from my c1
Just ordered a g4. Should I watch streaming app through the native tv apps or an Apple TV? Will I lose some of the a11 processing if I use Apple TV apps?
Also any recommendations for a different remote than the magic remote that comes with it?
Man I’d totally pay a premium for this MLA panel tech to come to monitors.
Anybody else remember what happened the last time LG called a product the G4?
Wonder if this TV will get stuck in a bootloop
Do you also check VRR flickering for TVs? I see no mention in the review
Not in the same way yet, sorry about that!
Lots of great stuff but I think a lot of buyers realize we should have hoped to see this in the C range by now instead of that range stalling out for so many years. It's a trickle down world.
I considered the B4, saw the G4.. not sure of the two i want, now i gotta look into Samsung, since they want customers, sell premium TV with ads? LG gone mental, are they determined, make buyers dislike their product? Dilute quality with ads..
The Princess of Pixels graces us once again.
Woled can't compete with qd oled🤷♂️its as simple as that
I will better the LG G4 77INCH later this year at a lower price 😁
RTINGS needs to test brightness of mid-grey at all window sizes as well as fully white, and I suppose to be thorough you need to test peak white window sizes with a mid-gray background.
In every hands-on comparison the G4 is significantly brighter than any other OLED or QD-OLED in pictures with a high average brightness across the whole frame (e.g. daytime landscape), if you only measure peak white you don't know how much the display is dimming all the content around the highlights.
How does burn in on this compared to the A95L?
I hear LG covers Burn INS unit 5 years in their warranty!
Burn in is such a non issue anymore. My 6 year old lg C8 has over 22k hours of mostly gaming and it doesn’t show any signs of mini map or hud burn in
Didn't they have the same problem last year switching out of game mode?
Most of us don't upgrade our TV every year, so a comparison between the G4 and older OLED models would be very helpful. I'm using an LG B7 and I'm just now considering an upgrade, but these videos don't help very much unfortunately.
That's what the website is for.. literally has a comparison option.
It does. But try comparing an LG C7 to the G4, does not work very well. A subjective review would be more useful.
@@isak6626 nobody is going to make that comparison because people weren't collecting that type of information in that generation. Considering how things have improved between the CX to the G4, it would be safe to say it would be a good upgrade.
why do u have to turn off so much stuff just to get the tv to perform right in gaming over and over
Been saying the same thing for over a decade on most TV’s. Far too many things to enable and disable that users lose track. I wish companies would manufacture a device that says use HDMI source 1 for gaming experience, HDMI source 2 for movies and HDMI source three for sports etc etc.
Get over it
@@jollama no need to troll on every single comment posted lol. We’re not the ones who likes his own comments to sound popular 🤣🤣🤣
@@Mac_Kymera Me when I see a comment with 1 like
@@jollama you’ve just proved my entire point that you like your own comments and troll comment on videos just for likes. 😂😂
I really need to confirm a 77 LG G4 "stand" before my purchase. Rumors that LG WILL have a stand for 77-inch G4 very soon.
It is not just a rumor. The manual for the G4 lists model numbers for stands for the 77, 83, and 97 inch models. However, they are not yet available as of the time of this post.
Still waiting on 120hz BFI option to also be back. This is lame for gamers, going from my C1 to this would be a huge downgrade.
BFI (and cathode ray tube flicker, for that matter), causes me so much literally painful eye strain that I would prefer other solutions to BFI like either putting up with the sample and hold blur, or turning on frame interpolation which some people deride as the soap opera effect. The soap opera effect generally does not bother me unless it is badly done, but bothers a lot of other people. Low frame rate sources such as films annoy me with their inherent stutter, even when played in native playback environments such as movie theaters or displays that can natively display 24 FPS content.
I know that some people love BFI, but it is literally painful eyestrain for my eyes, so it is useless to me.
I also understand that motion interpolation also adds lag, so that can be bad for some games.
I guess that different people prefer different solutions for motion blur.
If you really need 120 Hz BFI, try one of the new Gen3 QD-OLED monitors like the Asus ROG Swift OLED PGUCDM. 120 Hz BFI is not an option for TV-sized QD-OLEDs. It is only for monitor-sized Gen3 QD-OLEDs.
Sad thing is does not have imax enhanced
Confused on buying this or a QD OLED Samsung
I bought it couple days ago after I sold my kidneys and liver, it was worth it .. I try to find any flaws but didn’t find anything. One of my best purchase !!!!!
Hope you enjoy it for years to come! 😄
I sold my spleen….😮