Senna vs Prost 3D Reconstruction - F1 Japan 1989
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- One of the most infamous accidents in Formula 1 history, now in 3D.
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Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost came together late in the 1989 Japanese Grand Prix. After losing the lead at the start, this championship defining crash looked like Senna trying a desperate late-braking overtake. But Prost might be more to blame for the crash. And by carefully recreating this accident in 3D, it can finally be seen from more angles.
However, the main story behind this crash follows after the race. Senna is disqualified from illegally re-entering the track, meaning Prost wins the championship with a DNF. A controversial decision that reminiscent to the F1 2022 season finale between Hamilton and Verstappen at Abu Dhabi.
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Software: Blender 3.0.0 (www.blender.org)
3D Models: McLaren MP4/5 - 1989 Season by ASR Formula (www.asrformula.... Suzuka Circuit 1992 v1.1 by Rainmaker (assettomods.co...)
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Disclaimer:
At some moments during the reconstruction, I have to make educated guesses about the dynamics of the car and circuit components. It is not all simulated and I do not claim that the animation is 100% correct. It is based on the experience of a simple mechanical engineer with a fetish for crashes.
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This is the oportunity Senna is looking for, AND HE'S GOING THROUGH, Ouch! OH MY GODNESS THIS IS FANTASTIC
THEY MEET! THIS IS WHAT WE WERE FEARING MIGHT HAPPEN DURING THE RACE!
Murray walker classic
Murray said 'out', not 'ouch'.
@@airygoats323 Alain Prost world championship of 1989!
@@CuriosidadeseCiacomDaviVianna com a parceria de JM Ballestre
Do a 3D recreation of Mark Webbers 2010 Valencia flip.
no please don't
@@tetragramatonYHVH why not
@@tetragramatonYHVH Why?
@@amazingpizza6479 it scares 's me a lot please
@@-matixx329- it is terryfying
Great job. But in fact watching to the aerial footage, actually clearly it shows Prost would literally cross the chicane through the grass, following that line.
What's worse than Prost deliberately taking Senna off is the reason Senna was disqualified from the race win.
"Cutting the chicaine when rejoining" is probably the most bullshit excuse I ever heard from FIA
I really like your new helmet design and how you include your 'crashalong'-logo 🙂 Looks better than before! Awesome video as always!!!
heheheha
Amazing, your 3d recreations are simply awesome
your*
I can’t lie, your videos remind me of when in the old sky sports intros they animated crashes, like in 2017 where they animated the Hamilton/Rosberg crash at Spain
I miss that style of Sky Sports intro, the modern one is cool but the ones until 2018 were amazing
Yep :D i loved the 2017 Singapore crash animation too.
2016 espanha
@@Samylton The ITV intro was fuckin boss though ngl, I wouldn’t mind a few ad breaks to hear that intro again
That MP4/5, gorgeous - easily my favourite car to look at
Late comment! But yes agree, they look so clean and well proportioned compares to now
Ça restera à jamais la plus grande rivalité du sport.Deux génies exceptionnel.
Senna era all interno , dunque la curva poteva farla, ma è stato ingannato, Prost lo ha fatto entrare ma troppo veloce, dunque non ha potuto più sterzare,
You saw, I saw, everyone saw. Prost open the gap. Senna is a striker, no mercy. Prost was pissed and turned the *f@ck off* mode ON.
End of story. Pay back in the next year.
It was very dangerous in 1990. The two drivers could have been injured, even worse.
Finally, proof Prost turned in too early
Yup, it did always look like that happend
@exise you are blind
@@supermax7208 Yes
@exise It's difficult.. you can say Prost turned into him, or Prost simply defended his position and Senna should've backed off.
It's like everytime Hamilton says: "he turned into me" when Hamilton is not even one wheel ahead of the other car. If you are not even side by side, you havn't made an overtake
@@raymondhartmeijer9300 well, Prost had mirrors yk, he should know he should turn later than him as Senna was almost alongside, and he should knew he was on the outside. Senna took the racing line properly for his position, but Prost decided to not use the mirrors
lol the idea that you’re disqualified if you use the escape road once is hilarious. What utter fake bullshit this sport was. Good thing nothing like that ever happened again.
Hey, they both stopped on the track, so there was no need to use the escape road.
The escape road had a very plain "STOP" sign before it rejoined the track. Senna did NOT stop when he should have done & that was the reason for the penalty.
33 years later we still talking about this its amazing
E sera lembrado ainda por muitas decadas
These are amazing mate, you are very talented!
If you ever run out of ideas, maybe consider these
2012 Spa, Grosjean over the top of Fernando,
2018 Spa, Leclerc saved by halo
2010 Valencia, Webber flip,
2018 Monza, Ericsson spin,
2012 Abu Dhabi, Rosberg hits Karthieyan,
2016 Spain, Mercedes collide
The crash that would have been happened, IF Senna had not been able to make the corner, this one yes would be Senna's fault. This is called "Futurology".
The crash we're talking about, in question, is the one who actually happened and it was 100% intentional by Prost. (Just remembering that Senna did EXACTLY the same maneuver on Nannini a few laps later. And he did it several times in this same place in different Suzuka GP's, check it out. PREDICTING that Senna wouldn't have made the corner is just wrong.)
To blame Senna based in futurology is just wrong in so many levels.
100 % Senna's fault. And yes Prost who was clever helped this idiot to make a mistake. It was so easy with this brainless moron.
I always wanted to know how away from the usual racing line Alain Prost was. Thank you!
I'd say a fuckton away, seems precise
senna went lake and couldn't even have made the bend
Prost surely turned in early on purpose to crash into Senna.
@@paulusrumanouw3176 He was in front and was entitled to cover his corner EVERY driver in front does the same thing. Senna went for a gap that wasn't there & there was no way his car was going to turn & make that corner regardless....
@@jmilne5751 the fact that Senna replicated the same move on Nannini proves that there was a gap he could overtake! Prost line clearly was not about making the apex but even earlier and the impact was obviously side by side, not like Senna front hit Prost rear or side which further proves Prost purposely run into Senna with the intention of crashing.
Great video, I stayed up all night to watch this race live, we all went into stunned silence when this (the inevitable) happened. What a moment in F1 racing history!.
This is so good!!!! I still can't get over how you do this in blender. Thank you very much for putting the models in the description. One question (not specifically for this video), how do you do the deformation and suspension/crash physics? Thank you so much this was really good!
Suspension are with a bone rigging system, similar to rigacar. But then with coded physics response. Debris with cell fracture and blender's own physics engine.
@@Crashalong This is the opportunity Crashalong is looking for! And he makes it. Out! Oh my goodness this is fantastic! It’s here! This is what will happen to Formula One. And that means to say that Crashalong is an animating genius!
Clearly, Prost turned into Senna, but judging Senna’s speed into the corner, I think the crash was inevitable even if Prost didn’t turn in. I honestly feel Senna was coming in too fast for that corner, considering that there is a car on the outside..
@vô Adílio
No, Prost caused the collision here. He turned in way too early to take that corner…. When there is someone on the inside and almost alongside, you should take long way around the outside. Prost didn’t even try to do that.
But even if Prost did that correctly, it is very likely that there is still going to be a collision considering the speed senna was carrying in the inside line..
@vô Adílio
You mean to say more that 50% of all overtakes in F1 are illegal? That would mean even Lewis was a sitting duck when max overtook him in Abu Dhabi in the last lap. Do you say Max was also a sitting duck when Lewis overtook him in Jeddah last year? Being brave on the brakes is what makes a move possible. There is nothing as such being too late to claim the line.
Looking at Prost, he would have cut the chicane if senna wasn’t there. Prost turned in way too early to take that corner. It was his mistake.
@vô Adílio
Look at the projected trajectory of Prost at the end of the video, he would clearly cut the chicane. It was Prosts mistake.
@vô Adílio
😂😂😂
So senna being there was what caused Prost to turn in early and thus have this bogus animation 😂😂😂😂. I can’t stop laughing…..
Very nice. Have your own opinion.
@@JaswanthDaniel not sure what you are laughing at. While this will always be a controversial accident, to me at least it was intentional by Prost. If you watch the broadcast video, not this recreation, you can see that after Prost starts the turn, but before he collides with Senna, he would have had to straighten up the car (as in turn a bit to the left) so as not to bounce over the curb on the inside of the turn. This means he turned in either too early, to much, or it was intentional. He was an experienced racer and clearly knew when to turn into the corner. You can watch his previous runs thru the same corner and see the line he took, very close to the ideal line shown in this video. Before the collision he WAS NOT anywhere on the same line and the car is clearly angled in a manner that would take it off the track had Senna not been there. To me this is evidence of an intentional crash in order to take out Senna so as to win the Championship. It worked. There is also evidence of some political BS in F1 as the exact same manuver, continuing down the over-run lane, that caused Senna to be disqulaified for in this race, "not reentering track at point of exit", was made totally legal the following year.
Thanx, this is amazing piece of work. I think, or suggest you to try and cover The Holy Grail of crashes- a Kenny Brack 214G miracle escape at Texas 2003. Indycar race.
Would love to see Burti and Irvine's crash animated
Do Senna/Prost at Suzuka in 1990 next!
Blaming Senna based on futurology is just dumb. "IF Senna wouldn't had made the turn..." The crash in question is the one that actually happened and it's 100% intentional by Prost.
100 % Senna's fault. You overta7in a chicane when you are slightly quicker not at full speed like this idiot.
The fact that senna was gonna make the corner after that absolute send is unfathomable.
I'm glad I'm not the only one questioning this.
I accept the fact of Prost's actions here but I can't quite work out what Senna was planning on doing to make that corner.
@JoshuaKittle You mean like he DID on Nannini a couple laps later?
(In fact, he actually did it several times in different years, at this same spot).
What happens when both drivers are bitter towards each other, the 1989 championship is on the line, and neither driver is willing to back down! After the crash Senna pitted for a new front wing and came back to win the race, but was disqualified by the FISA (earning 0 points), which made Prost the 1989 Champion. When McLaren appealed the DQ, FISA rejected the appeal, fined Senna $100,000, gave him a suspended ban, and labelled him a dangerous driver! Ouch! In my opinion it was Prost's fault, but I understand he was tired of leaving the door open for Senna to avoid crashes and wanted to win. However, the FISA decision to DQ and fine Senna seemed unfair and harsh. Perhaps poetic justice was served in 1990, when Senna and Prost crashed again at the same track a year later, but Senna won the championship this time! Can't wait for that video one day! Excellent job making this one, well done! 👏👏👏
I absolutely dislike Senna, but agree he was harshly treated that day, and it was a joke the line that Prost took, but Senna should have been thrown out of F1 for the Suzuka 1990 crash with Prost in the Ferrari.
Note that Senna would not have won the 1989 WDC at Japan, but would have kept him in the game going into Adelaide.
Prost won the 1988 and 1989 WDCs clearly on total points over Senna, but of course it was your best 11 races that gave Senna the 1988 title, and a chance of the 1989 title.
@@markmark5269 ah, good info! Thank you for clarifying!
@@markmark5269 senna won the 1988 championship
@@edgardanimate3552 Wrong.
Senna was awarded the 1988 WDC, but Prost scored the most points.
Being awarded and winning, are not the same thing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Formula_One_World_Championship#World_Drivers'_Championship_standings
@@markmark5269 rules were weird back then. who thought that rule was a good idea lol?
I like how they have Crashalong on their helmets :D
Senna was not disqualified for missing the chicane. He was disqualified for being assisted by track marshals.
which is a shame in itself as it was in accordance with the rules, if you are in a dangerous position, you are allowed to push, the director of the FIA was a Frenchman
@@leart78 he used the scape rute to turn on the engine pushed by the marshals. this is 100% marshals fault. they ignored the Prost car who was in an equal dangerous position and pushed the Senna car to an even more dangerous position with the engine off and then to the scape route to turn on the engine. Is not the marshals job to help drivers to turn on the engine.
Great video, i hope that you do them more often, i really like them
Been watching these since the start and they just keep getting better. I’ll keep trying to bounce some ideas for you!
i know im not the only person who wants u to simulate sennas fatal crash, because it seems to me williams tried to hide the fact their faulty wheel caused the crash
The Italian investigation has long proved that the cause of the accident is the breakage of the modified steering column. a new element was added to the column, which instead of 4 millimeters had a thickness of 1.2 millimeters, it was in this place with a thickness of 1.2 mm that the break occurred. Patrick Head was found guilty of Senna's death, and his appeal was rejected. the case was closed in 2007.
Schumacher said Sennas car was sitting down a little at one side and bottoming out a lot. Might have had a slow puncture.
@@martoto77 column broke cos bottom out
CRASHALONG IS BACK!
Even James Hunt said that Prost was at fault and a cheat!
The FIA should do the honourable thing and re-instate the win to Senna.
Can you do F3 Alex Peroni crash at monza 2019
Literally everytime Murray Walker sees a crash: OH MY GOSH THIS IS FANTASTIC
How the hell hasnt F1 taken u yet
Genuine question about Senna's dsq, why is it called an escape road but you get dsq if you escape through the escape road cause you didn't make the chicane ?
I just called it an escape road because its a common term in racing today. In this case, the road is there because it is an alternative circuit layout, with temporary tire barriers to hamper the path of a driver seeking an advantage. Why Senna was the only driver to get penalized for using it, remains a question that was never answered
@@Crashalong just before balestre died, there was a vague admission that he wanted a french national to win the championship and chose to bend the rules to purposefully disqualify senna, he claimed he was sorry and that he became too invested in a sport he needed to remain neutral in
Senna was on the middle of the track and was pushed off to the nearest place off the track. If the engine had restarted while they pushed him over to the escape road then he could still have rejoined the race legally. But his engine was still dead after he'd been moved off the track from a dangerous position. Then he got them to push him further into the escape road in order to restart his car and rejoin the track and the race. When the car was pushed off the track and the engine dead, Senna was obligated to retire then and there. Since anything beyond that point was outside assistance other than what was necessary to remove the car from the track. It's strange that they didn't apply this rule instead of the not completing race distance rule. Maybe because he didn't need to go through the escape route except to restart his engine, with assistance.
The answer in the simplest terms: Jean-Marie Balestre
Definitely Ericsson fault
Yes, of course 🤙
The stewards were tweaking with the reason Senna was disqualified. They knew it was bs but chose to do it anyway. Therefore this is what Micheal did and got away with it once.
I can’t wait! I know it’s going to be good
People complain about Masi, but punishing Senna for being turned into was next level.
Senna was never making the corner
It wasn't Senna's corner anyway
Ideed. everyone complains about Masi but Jean-Marie Balestre was much worse.
@@TADP0LE9806 Made the exact same move on Nannini near the end of the race so he was.
@@TADP0LE9806 correction* Senna was making the corner, Prost decided to turn into him because he saw that he would
Murray in Japan 1989:Ouch! Oh my goodness this is fantastic!
Murray In Japan 1990:And it's happened imediately! This is amazing!
The 3D work is amazing, however, just one thought, the angle your chose is more dramatic and cinematic than explanatory. For example, it can be clearer if you had a rear view angle looking directly from the back of Prost's car, so that it could be more clearly seen where exactly Prost is aiming right at the impact.
And if you could, do the close feature of Prost's cockpit view, and be able to see how Prost's sudden jerk of direction change. Or stay in Senna's cockpit, and possibly experience the entire ovetake of glory & getting cheated out of the race in a few seconds time.
Just a personal opinion for possible improvements though. I just feel it could do more magic once you created such realistic 3D models.
Excellent analysis
Thanks, brilliant video! Awesome!
89 is full blame on Prost and 90 is full blame on Senna
Ayrton Was going through the Gap he found, Prost blindingly turned in unknowingly.
0% chance Prost turned in unknowingly😅
Another marvelous reconstruction!
Big fan and I am subscribed. ... and now to do the famous Schumacher / Hill clash at Adelaide 1994 please!
It's on the list!
These images are false and pure fake!
These are the true video:
th-cam.com/video/WBForKcFWoA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iQTumkufEsyORZqh
Senna uses the boxes track and enter forcing the overtake with too much speed.. Prost had to stop to let Senna pass.. no one do that, not even Senna if he was in the Prost place.
@@BlackScorpio It's a 3D computer reconstruction, are you a bit stupid?
Brilliant! thanks for sharing
When you do it like this it’s pretty fucking obvious that prost turned in on him but even in the original footage you can tell that prost was not going to make the corner
Murray Walker: _this is fantastic!_
Now do Mick Schumacher's crash in Jeddah Q2!
Could I suggest making the recreation of Kubica rally crash?
It's understandable however if you would not like to do this, since Robert sustained massive injuries in this
an crash animation for that already exists. but it's not from crashalong
Please recreat Mick Schumacher big crash in Saudi Arabia 🙂
Prost had every right to defend as he was in front. He told the press that he would win or there would be an accident.
Now you need to plot the 'ideal defensive line', and the line that Senna's shallow entry would have taken him on.
Awesome video, can next be Alex Peroni's crash at Monza?
Pre-race, Prost was blatantly clear: he was not going to let the door open.
He stuck to his guns.... and if he had been behind trying such a move, Senna himself would have done the same: defending his CORNER, not crashing on purpose.
I’m sorry to say but in that case Senna was wrong to overtake Prost at that point. He left the possibility of being closed by the Frenchman. He had to get in the wake on the straight, as he did the year before!!!!
Can you do Mick Schumacher’s from Jeddah?
Maldonado's fault
"i tHiNk eRiCcSoN HiT uS!1!1"
Do a 3D recreation of Mick Schumacher 2022 saudi arabia Q2 crach
ここまで素っ裸にして色んな角度から眺められるようされるとは思っていなかっただろうな、当時は
so weird to have an escape road but ban someone for using it after a crash... different times.
You miss the point of the ruling, it wasn't used in emergency, Senna should have spun the car on the spot after getting it started, and re-joined the race from where he left the track, and he would have been fine.
He was ruled to have re-jojned the circuit in a different place to where he left it, in a non-emergency situation.
I for one was shocked he got away with being push started, although there was a thin rule that cars could be pushed out of the way if deemed in a dangerous position, and if the driver just happened to take advantage of that .... that's how Patrese got to keep his Monaco win after being push started in 1982.
@@markmark5269 yeah the main problem def was the pushing.
Do a 3d recreation of Mick schumacher crash in jeddah 2022
Prost "deliberately" turned too early, he openly admitted it on twlevision, it just goes to show how heated things can become in any sport, not just F1.
Prost was in front. It was his turn.
0:42 Easter egg on Senna's visor. Actually, it's on Prost's as well.
what easter egg
Senna was a legend
do a recreation of mick schumackers crash at jeddah
In all fairness, Senna was never going to make the turn. Prost knew he would have been champion with a double DNF so he did not flinch
Had Prost kept to the racing line, he could've easily done the switchback on Senna who'd have had a very poor exit speed (I think he would've made the corner- but was asking a lot from Prost) but of course nerves got to Prost and Prost deliberately turned into Senna knowing he'd have the "my corner" excuse. It's very similar with the turn 6 incident at Abu Dhabi last year...
@ADUCKonQUACK Summed it up nicely there I reckon. I would say that I think the move was made to look even more ambitious than it actually was though by Prost braking early. I think similarly Hamilton braking a little early was a factor in Abu Dhabi as well.
I beg you to do Myatt Snider’s 2022 Daytona flip.
Cool video!
Nessuno dei due avrebbe potuto seguire la propria traiettoria senza tagliare la curva.
One of the most famous crashes in history because of how much it meant for the championship. I think Prost is partially to blame because of how early he turned for the corner, he would have cut the corner if Senna wasn't there. And Ayrton trying it from so far out puts him as partially at fault however if anyone else was in the same situation they would have done the same.
Dear Crashalong Channel, I have several cuestions about Suzuka 1989 Senna-Prost Crash, 1.- What was Senna speed during braking zone before the crash? 2.- What was Prost speed during braking zone before the crash?. 3.- could you please compare that two speeds versus qualy & race faster laps? 4.- if the crash would not had happened, Senna Would had been capable to turn casio triangle and could you please show that hypothetic Senna trayectory?
I think only Crashalong Channel Is capable to answer all those questions, a lot of thanks in Advance.
5.- was Prost's McLaren undamaged after the crash? I mean, was Prost's car in perfect conditions after the crash?
6.- If Prost-Senna wouldn't has crashed at Casio triangle, could has been Prost capable to get back Leading position from Senna at main straight?
I'm sorry because i know i am asking too much!!!!!
pretty accurate, indeed.
The reconstruction clearly shows that Senna went for a line that was no way going to get him to turn that corner, he would of gone straight ahead, Prost had a better chance and the fact he was in front gave him the right to defend the corner...
From the moment you consider that each driver is supposed to see the car in front of him, which is a basic rule, unfortunately Senna is held responsible for this collision.
Prost did turn in early, it’s clear. But it was also an ‘if you don’t get out the way we’re going to crash’ kind of move from Senna. Ironically it didn’t matter anyway, as Senna crashed into the back of another car in Adelaide, losing a wheel and retiring, so wouldn’t have won the championship even if he had kept this win. A lot of people forget that.
Thats a Game or a animation?
The dynamic reconstruction of the accident is excellent; however, it only reproduces a piece of what happened.
I repeat, the dynamic reconstruction is almost perfect and clearly shows that Prost anticipated the closing of the curve by intentionally bumping into Senna; therefore, it would seem that Prost has committed an unfairness.
But there is another piece of reality that the video does not convey.
The piece of reality not represented in the video is that Senna, to attempt overtaking, used the pit lane (which could be used EXCLUSIVELY to enter the pits) as a shortcut; he entered the pit lane, thus making fewer meters, and then returned to the track taking advantage of this maneuver.
It is obvious that Prost, not being a fool, responded to this gross incorrectness of Senna (made with the "cleaver") with the incorrectness described above, that is, anticipating the entry into the curve to lean on the car of the rival who wanted to be smart (let's say Prost responded with an elegant "foil" blow).
In summary: Prost committed an impropriety in response to Senna's impropriety, acting in "self-defense".
Congratulations again for the excellent dynamic reproduction of the famous accident!
Same old story Prost was leading the championship , leading the race . He had no reason to let Senna pass . Senna was not quick enough to make an easy move, he had to make a kamikaze attack. The only way that it could work was that Prost let him through. No question for Prost to let the door open
i still believe prost deliberately crashed into senna. doesnt condone sennas crash a year later but then again, karma happened i suppose.
Would have been funny if you animated in senna wagging his finger.
Blue line named "Trajectory Prost" should be also (Trajectory Simracer)
What do you use to make These?
Blender 3D modeling/animation software and then using as much of the available footage to find project the position of the cars
And they penalized Senna for Prost turning into him, great job FIA as always.
Please Add More Motorsports!
no1 with a rival so close would take the ideal trajectory ... they would take the prost trajectory ofc
Animation is wrong tbh
Amazing! ❤️🏁
Yeah.. In my opinion Prost should let pass through Senna, Because Senna will anyway when He could. And than Prost could try to pass him again.. Maybe.. 😅
Senna. The best pilot ever! 🇧🇷
....also Spa 1997 was awesome
If Senna hadn't been there, Prost would have made the entire turn on the grass, and he still wants to say that he didn't crash on purpose
If Prost hadn't been there Senna would of flown straight past the corner & into the runoff area where both cars ended up...
@@jmilne5751 In your dreams
@@theakyosmith Neither car took the "ideal line" into the corner...Fact is Prost had EVERY right to defend a corner when he was in front, to be leading Senna in the race, it is up to the guy behind to yield, but Senna NEVER yielded, caused crashes, but expected EVERYONE to get out of his way when he makes a Kamikaze move that would not come off...He was parallel to the track and would of gone straight through & NEVER made the turn anyway...Just being an idiot...
amazing job
The problem with this incident is, we can't just judge this on it's own merits. The incident happened originally because Senna was fond of putting his car in places where he would either get through or there would be a crash. Prost had seen this too many times from his point of view and had had enough.
The second thing is Senna rejoining the track. Whilst it is true he couldn't do anything else it has been suggested there was a Marshall with a flag on the exit of the chicane and he simply drove past him without permission hence causing his disqualification. It's a suggestion only
The third and final point is that Senna could still have won the drivers championship that year in the next round after Prost had retired but then rammed Martin Brundle up the back
@reptongeek
"The third and final point is that Senna could still have won the drivers championship that year in the next round after Prost had retired but then rammed Martin Brundle up the back"
He couldn't. It was 9 points for the win and Prost had 16 more than Senna.
One of the biggest thefts in the history of F1 was Senna's disqualification in this race
Basically a normal racing incident, except it really was anything but normal. IMO your video shows that they were both to blame.
It’s not possible to argue it was Prost at fault. These were the days of risk it for the biscuit and Senna came up short.