@@BrendanEvan Reallt funny! Actually, I was convinced (for the first 1/2 second) they were real, poorly color graded fingers...then I saw how big the lens was.
Hahaha was just about to write the same but Iscrolled down and saw your comment . I have watched the intro at least 3 times and I want/need more 😂 Honestly where can i get one of those hands?
Just started watching, but I own a DZO 20-70 T2.9 for my Pocket 4k and it's my favorite lens. I use it for basically everything! I'm sure these are every bit as good and then some!
And from everything I've heard, you came to the conclusion I expected. They're basically the big brother, full frame equivalent of the lens I own. I typically try to light for an f/4 since I never really want to shoot any lens wide open, but sometimes you want that slight softness so I'm personally glad it's there if I want it.
Thanks for the review. Do you think the “fringe” around the actors was from the URSA12K? -I ask bc I saw that fringe in the footage on the BMD announcement of the URSA 12K when Grant Petty was demoing it. Any chance you can do the a shootout between the DZOfilm Pictor Zooms and the Tokina ATX Mkii Zooms?
The other cine zoom lens in the same price range 5000dolars is the Laowa Ooom 25-100mm at 2.9 is more sharp and has cero focus breathing!!! also has its own expansor from laowa if you want to turn it into a full frame and a rear anamorphic adaptor from laowa too!
Well I’m the beginning filmmaker you described, wanting to buy my first set of cinema zoom lenses... but went ahead and bought these. (Before watching this video though.) Here’s hoping I can use them on pretty much all my projects even with all that extra character. (Aside from parfocal zoom convenience, that’s pretty much the reason I got them; not overly sharp and digital. In fact I plan to use a mild diffusion filter plus filmconvert effects in post, so... if you’re a real artsy fart like me, these might just be perfect.)
"I have to be honest, I actually regret using these lenses. I wish we would have used sharper lenses.... Don't get me wrong, these lenses were a pleasure to use". LOLOL
Haha! What I was trying to say was they have great build quality and they were fun to film with but when we started keying out the green screen and stuff we wished we had used cleaner lenses.
I wonder if the the problem was the rental house didn’t shim the lens properly when switching mounts…so the back-focus was off?.?.? Usually these perform better.
Thanks, this is exactly the kind of analysis I was looking for. The edge sharpness on a key screen is a dealbreaker for me, so, for as much as I want these lenses to work, they will not for my primary application. Great video though, and these lenses could eventually make it into my inventory for theatrical/music videos for sure.
you know? yesterday i was looking for a comparing of the 18-35 pchood and the pictor 20-55... and obviusly theres not.... you should change the title of the video for a VS comparing
While I don't have experience with the EF/PL mounted versions, I rented a MFT 20-70mm for a music video shoot, and I gotta say, I think you hit the nail on the head. A T/2.8 on a MFT sensor is... I wouldn't say hard to work with, but definitely limiting. The fringing in for your commercial shoot though... that's rough. They really are great lenses, definitely have a place in the market, but there are major downsides. My team primarily shoots with BMPCC 4k's at the moment, and while we'd ruled out investing in the MFT mount, we were considering the EF.... until we learned that they aren't compatible with speedboosters. All that to say, really appreciate your review!
@@lovefirst6157 Our problem was mainly depth of field. At the risk of sounding dramatic, it was the first time I felt personally limited by a lens, haha. With the exception of a couple CCTV lenses we have, and our sirui anamorphic lenses, we don't have any native M4/3 lenses, just adapt using speedboosters. Our main workhorses at the moment are Rokinons, but we're in the process of upgrading. I just bought a Contax Zeiss 50mm 1.4, if we like the look we'll probably buy a set. We're also renting a Zeiss CP.3 50mm to test for an upcoming project, depending on how it performs we might look into investing in a set. Once DZO's VESPA line becomes available we'll be considering those as well. Total coincidence on the two zeiss's, I'm a big fan of vintage lenses and just happened to find one for a good price, and the CP.3's just seem like a potential good fit for the work we're hoping to do in the future. Oh, almost forgot, I'm thinking of looking into SLR magic primes - not their anamorphic, for the love of all that is holy I highly recommend AGAINST their anamorphics, especially the 35mm, at least for M4/3- , the channel Media Division has a great video featuring them that really shows them in a good light. I believe it's the video about lowlight, if you're interested in checking them out.
@@jeremymolinari6597 yeah media division videos are amazing and it looks like you got a couple of great lens choices. Do you mind telling me what you decide on doing. Also I have a battery grip on my camera so that means I can't use regular cages on my camera, now I want to mount a monitor on my camera and think buying a gimbal side handle a decent alternative. My coldshoe is loose because I used it too much.
@@lovefirst6157 Yeah, absolutely. Do you have a facebook? If so, feel free to add me on there, name's Jeremy Molinari and the profile picture is (mostly) the same as my youtubes.
@@lovefirst6157 Also, this might be something worth looking at, it needs 15mm rods, but also gives you the opportunity to add a top handle, and is a relatively universal. www.ebay.com/itm/FOTGA-DP3000-C-Shape-Support-Cage-Bracket-M2-for-15mm-Rod-Rail-Follow-Focus-DSLR/293885498602?hash=item446cf0d4ea:g:ZG8AAOSwQPlV-m6k
Hey, thanks so much for this great video :)). Please recommend a good but budget cine lens/lenses to start off with a bmpcc 6k pro for feature filmmaking if not the dzo's. Have you tried meike cine lenses, if yes how are they please? Thank you.
Fair review, howerver, Thomas, here's a direct question for you: I am an amateur filmmaker shooting mostly for fun. So far I have to Canon L photo lenses (16-35 and 24-70) and I slowly started thinking about the cinema lenses. Let's be honest - it doesn't need to be the top quality (so far it's me ruining my shots, not the technics) and mustn't cost a fortune. Quite funny that the very first ELM video I've seen was your "REAL Cine Zoom Lenses FOR CHEAP". Is there a really affordable lens to slowly replace my Canon L lenses? Thank you!
I welcome you,in your videos there are many frost frames,c-stand racks.What would you recommend for beginners in this business? Not counting the company Avenger p.s привет из Иркутска #Байкал
Ok now I am confused, how bout a full in depth video btn the DZO & SIGMA[CINEMATICS], was about to hit that cart but now confused he he he. Other than that, I am glad I came across this video...
No way in hell i could afford those lenses nor would I ever buy them, but I still watch the whole thing. Post more content please, and I promise i will unsubscribe.
This video was deceiving. I thought these lenses were for people with little hands. Turns out these lenses are for people who have really really long fingers to be able to turn the focus gears. Unsubscribing.
I think your videos are great and really informative. But it's so often that you jump from subject to subject that I have to recalibrate what you are talking about so many times, when it often feels like you stop mid sentence. Don't get me wrong though, I still enjoy the video's!
Hmm, a hard sell. Seems like they focused on the body design because the image quality isn't all that great, which is a deal breaker since these lenses are meant for pro use. I'd rather get one or two better lenses used than deal with 3 cheap but mediocre lenses.
Размазня, как Samyang, не ведитесь, посоны. Картинка - говно, пустая. Нет никакого юник лука, лук самянга у них. Всё остальное - шикардос, но нахер это надо, если ничего не видно.
WTF d'you call this? ..Using the product on an actual client shoot and reviewing it honestly? C'mon, you guys are better than this.. Where was the epic b-roll?
I make a video and about $4000 affordable cine lenses and call them cheap and people say I’m insane. I make a video about another set of $4000 cine lenses and say “hefty price” and people think I’m high. This is a game I can’t win.
@@EpicLightMedia LOL, all good man. 2500 each for these cine lenses is really not that expensive. If people call this pricey, people have never used a cine lens before or don't know what a cine lens does. I like your channel though. You're a funny man.
Thank you so much for just being so uninformative… as always… I will unsubscribe next year… this has been so unhelpful that I will be getting the Sigma’s instead… even with the heavy breathing of the 50-100mmm. Commercial clinical sharpness is very important to us… Once again No thanks Keep up the not so great video content…🤥
Holy crap Alex looks like Pedro Pascal
I know right!!!!!!!
This is the best channel on TH-cam. Don't tell the algorithm though.
Top 2 and it’s not #2.
One of the things I noticed about these lenses ... they’re all white. Pretty sure no one else noticed that. You’re welcome.
“I don’t like creamy footage on a 50mm” only ever said by those shooting commercials. Lol. Great review thanks man!
That rubber hand touching the lens killed me lol
Laughing pretty hard. That was a GREAT intro with the little hand, ha ha😆
The flexibility in those tiny creepy fingers made them more realistic.
@@BrendanEvan Literally the first 2 seconds I was like "How big is that lens ? Is that a telescope ?" hahaha
@@BrendanEvan Reallt funny! Actually, I was convinced (for the first 1/2 second) they were real, poorly color graded fingers...then I saw how big the lens was.
Hahaha was just about to write the same but Iscrolled down and saw your comment . I have watched the intro at least 3 times and I want/need more 😂 Honestly where can i get one of those hands?
@@neoterixx3440 Right! We can use one of those for pointing out things in macro shots, etc.
I loved that little hand intro and the I quit sign. Having those little laughs really helped me stay focused on the rest of the video. Keep it up!
4:48 it looks like you're holding x-large fast food drinks
Thomas is a complete G, definitely ran the streets back in his day.
Implying his day ever ended. :|
Just started watching, but I own a DZO 20-70 T2.9 for my Pocket 4k and it's my favorite lens. I use it for basically everything! I'm sure these are every bit as good and then some!
And from everything I've heard, you came to the conclusion I expected. They're basically the big brother, full frame equivalent of the lens I own. I typically try to light for an f/4 since I never really want to shoot any lens wide open, but sometimes you want that slight softness so I'm personally glad it's there if I want it.
Welcome back!
Almost started watching this on my phone! Need to hurry to my pc for full experience!
Thanks for the review.
Do you think the “fringe” around the actors was from the URSA12K? -I ask bc I saw that fringe in the footage on the BMD announcement of the URSA 12K when Grant Petty was demoing it.
Any chance you can do the a shootout between the DZOfilm Pictor Zooms and the Tokina ATX Mkii Zooms?
The other cine zoom lens in the same price range 5000dolars is the Laowa Ooom 25-100mm at 2.9 is more sharp and has cero focus breathing!!! also has its own expansor from laowa if you want to turn it into a full frame and a rear anamorphic adaptor from laowa too!
I want to try that lens!!
Well I’m the beginning filmmaker you described, wanting to buy my first set of cinema zoom lenses... but went ahead and bought these. (Before watching this video though.)
Here’s hoping I can use them on pretty much all my projects even with all that extra character. (Aside from parfocal zoom convenience, that’s pretty much the reason I got them; not overly sharp and digital. In fact I plan to use a mild diffusion filter plus filmconvert effects in post, so... if you’re a real artsy fart like me, these might just be perfect.)
Thank you for reviewing these!
I've had those DZO lenses on my Amazon wish list for a while now.... nobody has taken the hint though. :(
Lol
Ok, NO DZO... NEXT!!!
Thanks guys great vid.
"I have to be honest, I actually regret using these lenses. I wish we would have used sharper lenses.... Don't get me wrong, these lenses were a pleasure to use". LOLOL
Haha! What I was trying to say was they have great build quality and they were fun to film with but when we started keying out the green screen and stuff we wished we had used cleaner lenses.
@@EpicLightMedia Haha I know what you meant bro, its just super funny the way the edit flows into that part.
I wonder if the the problem was the rental house didn’t shim the lens properly when switching mounts…so the back-focus was off?.?.? Usually these perform better.
Thanks, this is exactly the kind of analysis I was looking for. The edge sharpness on a key screen is a dealbreaker for me, so, for as much as I want these lenses to work, they will not for my primary application. Great video though, and these lenses could eventually make it into my inventory for theatrical/music videos for sure.
Glad you saw this!! Yeah these lenses are garbage for keying. That chromatic annotation on the edges was a real pain for our compositor.
My name is Alex, and I just did a double take. 🤣
What are the sigma lenses that you where talking about, and are those the ones you said are parafocal?
I love the intro!!!!
you know? yesterday i was looking for a comparing of the 18-35 pchood and the pictor 20-55... and obviusly theres not.... you should change the title of the video for a VS comparing
Yall got a link to that follow focus in the intro?
THE BEARD LOOKS GOOD ON YOU!! 👍👍
Who else wants to see the music video? ✋
While I don't have experience with the EF/PL mounted versions, I rented a MFT 20-70mm for a music video shoot, and I gotta say, I think you hit the nail on the head. A T/2.8 on a MFT sensor is... I wouldn't say hard to work with, but definitely limiting. The fringing in for your commercial shoot though... that's rough. They really are great lenses, definitely have a place in the market, but there are major downsides.
My team primarily shoots with BMPCC 4k's at the moment, and while we'd ruled out investing in the MFT mount, we were considering the EF.... until we learned that they aren't compatible with speedboosters.
All that to say, really appreciate your review!
Yeah with mft, I find that T2 or f1.8 is the sweet spot for enough light. What lenses do you guys use, trying to see what lenses I could get
@@lovefirst6157 Our problem was mainly depth of field. At the risk of sounding dramatic, it was the first time I felt personally limited by a lens, haha.
With the exception of a couple CCTV lenses we have, and our sirui anamorphic lenses, we don't have any native M4/3 lenses, just adapt using speedboosters. Our main workhorses at the moment are Rokinons, but we're in the process of upgrading. I just bought a Contax Zeiss 50mm 1.4, if we like the look we'll probably buy a set. We're also renting a Zeiss CP.3 50mm to test for an upcoming project, depending on how it performs we might look into investing in a set. Once DZO's VESPA line becomes available we'll be considering those as well.
Total coincidence on the two zeiss's, I'm a big fan of vintage lenses and just happened to find one for a good price, and the CP.3's just seem like a potential good fit for the work we're hoping to do in the future.
Oh, almost forgot, I'm thinking of looking into SLR magic primes - not their anamorphic, for the love of all that is holy I highly recommend AGAINST their anamorphics, especially the 35mm, at least for M4/3- , the channel Media Division has a great video featuring them that really shows them in a good light. I believe it's the video about lowlight, if you're interested in checking them out.
@@jeremymolinari6597 yeah media division videos are amazing and it looks like you got a couple of great lens choices. Do you mind telling me what you decide on doing. Also I have a battery grip on my camera so that means I can't use regular cages on my camera, now I want to mount a monitor on my camera and think buying a gimbal side handle a decent alternative. My coldshoe is loose because I used it too much.
@@lovefirst6157 Yeah, absolutely. Do you have a facebook? If so, feel free to add me on there, name's Jeremy Molinari and the profile picture is (mostly) the same as my youtubes.
@@lovefirst6157 Also, this might be something worth looking at, it needs 15mm rods, but also gives you the opportunity to add a top handle, and is a relatively universal.
www.ebay.com/itm/FOTGA-DP3000-C-Shape-Support-Cage-Bracket-M2-for-15mm-Rod-Rail-Follow-Focus-DSLR/293885498602?hash=item446cf0d4ea:g:ZG8AAOSwQPlV-m6k
The intro is so unsettling!! Reminds me of VAT 19 and their tiny hands
Would love to hear your opinion on the Vespid Primes
Why the video shot with the iPhone has no motion blur?
That cream white color is interesting
That was a very disturbing introduction. LOL AWESOME!!!!!
Hey, thanks so much for this great video :)). Please recommend a good but budget cine lens/lenses to start off with a bmpcc 6k pro for feature filmmaking if not the dzo's. Have you tried meike cine lenses, if yes how are they please? Thank you.
Hey what's sharp lenses do you guys recommend. Asking for myself ,
my name is also alex so when you said that i freaked out
So you suggesting to use rehoused by cinematics sigma cine zooms right?)) as they are sharp and fast zooms.
wish you would have shown us non-keyed shots to see those edges.
That's a very "art house" intro you got there.
So do you have a recommendation for cine zooms? Ones that are faster and don't have that much distortion?
Sigma cine zooms
Why did Alex get fired in this video tho?
Fair review, howerver, Thomas, here's a direct question for you: I am an amateur filmmaker shooting mostly for fun. So far I have to Canon L photo lenses (16-35 and 24-70) and I slowly started thinking about the cinema lenses. Let's be honest - it doesn't need to be the top quality (so far it's me ruining my shots, not the technics) and mustn't cost a fortune. Quite funny that the very first ELM video I've seen was your "REAL Cine Zoom Lenses FOR CHEAP". Is there a really affordable lens to slowly replace my Canon L lenses? Thank you!
I welcome you,in your videos there are many frost frames,c-stand racks.What would you recommend for beginners in this business? Not counting the company Avenger
p.s привет из Иркутска #Байкал
Song name in the intro?
Here I'm rocking my Nikon DX 35mm-50mm f/3.6
Great film!
I friggin Iove this channel. On a serious note, Thomas: are you and Lynn on the mend? I’m going to subscribe to this channel until she comes back.
No we still aren’t speaking unfortunately
I love the beard. Kind of a Cancun look.
The beard is filling in nicely.
Waow that intro was straight up fire🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥. That's why im not subscribe. 😂😂😂
You don’t have to be annoying to be “entertaining” Mr Epic Light Media
Nothing beats a baby hand on some sexy glass 😂
LOL I have been known to verbally abuse a lot of people on set. So much that, they now run away from me, whenever I step down from the car! lol
I loved you The Machinist by the way.
This video has the best thumbnail of youtube and istn viral... How?
Soooo...is there any BTS for these TV spots??
My name is Alex
I feel attacked
Ok now I am confused, how bout a full in depth video btn the DZO & SIGMA[CINEMATICS], was about to hit that cart but now confused he he he.
Other than that, I am glad I came across this video...
Bro,I laugh so much with those creepy hands 🤣. What the ... So funny.
5:00 Looks like a high tech astronaut thermos
This was the nicest breakup video ever.
The white lets them look kinda like a spray can, but I some how like it. Weird.
👍👍👍
Wait... this was shot on an iPhone 😮
Hahaha it’s too late. I already have subscribed.
Greetings from Germany
Nice
It's not fine, Thomas.
That's it I'm focusing with the little hand from now on. I don't care about the rest of the video.
Hmm, So you liked these better than the repackaged sigmas that had that brutal focus breathing? Or do you guys also own the real sigmas?
This video was so bad, I actually subscribed [kidding, I've been subscribed since the beginning].
Wait. Your name is Thomas and not...That Epic Light Media guy?
You look uncomfortably similar to Ted Cruz with the mask on. I'm sorry....
This comment ruined my evening...... I’m seriously depressed now
Lol
That intro made me sooo uncomfortable lmao
Music stand tripod
Ewww no motion blur ... Yep I'm going audio only again...
Bored to death. Very quickly this channel joined others. So cliche🙏
Are you ok?
No...
I'm Bokay.
Noice
Great review! Definitely don’t seem worth it unless you’re shooting 100% creative work
You verbally abuse me subscribed to Gerald undone instead.
No way in hell i could afford those lenses nor would I ever buy them, but I still watch the whole thing. Post more content please, and I promise i will unsubscribe.
Lol you're clearly selling those lenses
That intro... was disturbing
This video was deceiving. I thought these lenses were for people with little hands. Turns out these lenses are for people who have really really long fingers to be able to turn the focus gears. Unsubscribing.
You subscribed?
Would have got away with that iPhone if it wasn't for the trash audio my man haha
The iPhone footage was also overly sharp.
I think your videos are great and really informative. But it's so often that you jump from subject to subject that I have to recalibrate what you are talking about so many times, when it often feels like you stop mid sentence. Don't get me wrong though, I still enjoy the video's!
Seems like they’re kind of butt tbh. I’ll hold out for some sigmas.
This was so good I'm unsubscribing right now.
No. Bad.
I think I am canceling my subscription. Thanks for the advice.
4th comment here!
Hmm, a hard sell. Seems like they focused on the body design because the image quality isn't all that great, which is a deal breaker since these lenses are meant for pro use. I'd rather get one or two better lenses used than deal with 3 cheap but mediocre lenses.
Размазня, как Samyang, не ведитесь, посоны.
Картинка - говно, пустая.
Нет никакого юник лука, лук самянга у них.
Всё остальное - шикардос, но нахер это надо, если ничего не видно.
WTF d'you call this? ..Using the product on an actual client shoot and reviewing it honestly? C'mon, you guys are better than this.. Where was the epic b-roll?
hefty price for two cine lenses? What are you smoking bro? Those are the cheapest on the market!
I make a video and about $4000 affordable cine lenses and call them cheap and people say I’m insane. I make a video about another set of $4000 cine lenses and say “hefty price” and people think I’m high. This is a game I can’t win.
@@EpicLightMedia LOL, all good man. 2500 each for these cine lenses is really not that expensive. If people call this pricey, people have never used a cine lens before or don't know what a cine lens does. I like your channel though. You're a funny man.
For cine lenses, they're pretty bad quality.
First
Nice review but still not subscribed!
i see mask, i press thumbs down button.
Thank you so much for just being so uninformative… as always… I will unsubscribe next year… this has been so unhelpful that I will be getting the Sigma’s instead… even with the heavy breathing of the 50-100mmm.
Commercial clinical sharpness is very important to us…
Once again No thanks
Keep up the not so great video content…🤥