5 Years old Micro PC: E-waste already?

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  • 5 Years old Micro PC: E-waste already?
    What should we do with them?
    Dell OptiPlex 3060 Micro:
    Intel Core i3-8100T
    500 Gb HDD
    8 GB DDR4 Ram
    Wi-Fi

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  • @ybtkd
    @ybtkd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Before you upgrade these, record some benchmarks on them and have a before and after performance comparison.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Great idea! I bet there will be a significant increase in speed for sure.

  • @LPro-mg1zp
    @LPro-mg1zp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like these, perfect size PC just to throw behind a TV for pictures or movies.

  • @bobamu
    @bobamu 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    While they might not be ideal as a primary computer they are low energy devices so could be useful for adding some smartness or as a hub for random devices, use as a thin client, or a single function server or just something to tinker with. I sometimes look for these on ebay with this idea in mind.
    Edit to add: Just checked the potential spec, so it seems these can be upgraded to 32Gb of ram, economic viability may not be ideal but that makes them a lot more appealing.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They are great machines, if the client would choose to get at least an i5 with a 250 GB SSD they not only would of last 3 years longer, but the employee would not been so frustrated working on a super slow computer.

  • @frutt5k
    @frutt5k 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The reason these machines are slow as frozen molasses, is Windows (any version). All these backdoors where each and everyone can snoop on your activities, take up a lot of horsepower. An i3-8100t with 4 GB ram running 'slackware linux current' boots in 15 seconds (8 seconds until splash screen).

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do you have a HDD or SSD in it?

    • @frutt5k
      @frutt5k 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Scott.The.IT.Guy. an nvme

  • @mathiasanders3946
    @mathiasanders3946 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As a PC-nerd it is hard to watch these machines goes to the bin..but be realistic. These Pc´s has delivered their duty and now they are written off. That is common sense in enterprise envoirement. A buisness has a bugdet for maybe 5 years and they will spent 100k for new Pc´s , and after 5 years new machines knocking on the door. It is the same with cars, or other tech stuff. Business must go on and no time to cry...

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Especially since we just added some 3 years old Dell Latitude laptops to this pile recently. I hope I can fix as many as possible and just give them away or donated them.

  • @justinsutton3943
    @justinsutton3943 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Good idea

  • @pjohnson21211
    @pjohnson21211 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    are they ewaste? for some yes....but for many (see somments below) these still have a useful life.

  • @tim3172
    @tim3172 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm sorry, where are you getting $200/each to upgrade?
    New 256GB SSDs are plenty for this type of machine and are $20 for a reasonable brand like Patriot or Crucial.
    New 16GB of SODIMM DDR4 is only $30 from the likes of Crucial, Silicon Power, or Teamgroup.
    If you look up the RAM already in there (and if it's one stick), you only need to buy 8GB more.
    The thermal design of these machines is 35 watts, which means you really should use something like the i5-8400t, which you can by for $40-50 all day.
    50+50 is not $100.
    If you mean that the Windows upgrade will cost $100/each, then that's just a waste of money. Keep it on 10 or use the free upgrade.
    A 16GB, 6-core computer with even a SATA SSD should be more than suitable for medical work outside of special use cases... which they clearly were not in use for before.
    With that being said, you can buy a Lenovo M720Q for 46 bucks/each which already has the 8400t, 16GB, and an SSD.
    I'm not sure if you're aware of what these computers are, exactly. They're designed to be bulk-leased systems to places like universities. The lessee pays a *very* small fraction of that advertised $750 price to own them for, generally, 3 years (hence the three year warranty included). At the end of the term, the computers are returned and the organization buys new ones.
    That's why Windows 11 requires exactly 8th-gen or newer: that was the generation 3 years old when 11 hit RTM. Only very few specialist chips such as the 7820HQ (Found in the Surface Studio 2... another bulk-leased device..... that's why it was so "overpriced") and similar chips from the 7th gen were added to the support list.
    A simple example is when I worked for my university. We had 400 computers in our building. We received a shipment of 200 computers to replace half our labs for $36,000.
    Wow! That's a lot of money!
    Oh wait, that's only 180 bucks a computer. What gives? Oh right, you return them after 3 years.
    So, option A was to buy the $800 list price at $600/each (volume discount) or lease them for 3 years for $180/each.
    Would the average computer last 10+ years? (breakeven point of cost vs lease... with each 3 years of leasing brining a new and shiny computer) I don't think so.
    Now, why is Dell (we also used Lenovo and HP systems in the same way) taking such a huge loss on each system? The answer is... they're probably not.
    Between tax incentives to support universities and public schooling, volume discounts on every part in the system, and, I'm not joking, about 60% of the value of the computer listed at $750 being the 3 years of on-site support, they're clearly profitable for the OEMs/ODMs.
    So, to me, it sounds like this person bought (way) overpriced computers at $750 each and is wondering why they're valueless.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tim,
      I work for a business who is providing IT support for clients who have no internal IT support person or team.
      Upgrading W10 pro on these desktops to W11 Pro is still free, you can just grab the latest W11 iso from Microsoft and do an in-place upgrade or clean install, MS never stopped offering this free option.
      The $100 minimum cost I was referring to is for installing the SSD & Ram and doing a clean install of W11 with all drivers-firmware-updates. This job at Best Buy with parts and labor would cost you at least $200-$250. We would charge the same amount or even more because we must provide on-site service to pick them up and drop them off as well, not to mention also provide on-site warranty after the job was done with liability.
      Pretty sure you mean; the lease was $180/each/year not /3 years/desktop. If you get a midrange business class desktop for $800 ish, it will last 6 years at least for my clients( managing a 1000+ desktops and laptops, doing Dell business class gear for over 15 years.)

  • @onlineidentity6826
    @onlineidentity6826 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The most bang for your buck upgrade to make would be a cheap 120/128 GB ssd. These low power i3-8100T"s are still very usable for everyday tasks when paired with 8 GB and a small ssd. I would give the ssd upgrade route a go first and then see just how big a difference this makes to performance when compared to the hdd.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I can get a 5 pack , used SSD fromEbay for $50, thats $10/PC . Wwe can start with that and see what else we can do.

    • @frutt5k
      @frutt5k 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      With a limited specs cpu you'd better choose your SSD with care. I'd go for an Adata SU 800 or better.

  • @brentvalentine
    @brentvalentine 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm still using a Celeron 2 core with Linux Mint installed. It worked fine with a HDD and 4GB of ram. I had to replace the HDD when it crashed but it was still serviceable and useful with the HDD.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks! Back in 2004 in Erope, we were selling Fujitsu-Siemens computers with Linux on them, I haven’t really used Linux ever since then, but I will give it a try for sure.

  • @tnaxpw
    @tnaxpw 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Anything from intel 8th gen up is not a e-waste. Client was the one who choose 5 years ago to not go with an SSD which were already fairly priced and more RAM. But hey through people like that I have my server stack for ~$100 a pop

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thery were definitely on the cheap side , if they would of got an SSD + i5 the PC would of lasted 2 maybe 3 years longer for sure.

  • @johnjay7822
    @johnjay7822 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I just turned a Celeron NUC into an arcade over the weekend. I would love to have had one of these running an i3 or i5. You can send me a couple LOL.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very cool! Will start fixing them up, see how many we can save, will do a video on them, feel free to hit me up about one.

  • @jorgefeliciano9174
    @jorgefeliciano9174 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You can repurpose those micro PCs for retro gaming. There’s a couple TH-cam channels in showing you how to format the hard drive and install the Batocera OS for retro gaming. It definitely gives some new life for those micro units and enjoy some good games from our childhood days.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I love this idea, I was not aware that but it makes total sense!
      It’s still powerful enough to run old games, has HDMI for a TV or projector, Bluetooth and WiFi can handle wireless controllers and we can just hide this behind the TV.

  • @FurryDeathMedia
    @FurryDeathMedia 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    These little Optiplexes are truly amazing. I always try to get used Optiplexes to refurbish and give to my family members and it has been working extremely well :)

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I will set up a couple 7010 Micros for a client tomorrow! They absolutely love these.

  • @bleeb1347
    @bleeb1347 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Perfect for firewalls. Plug in USB 3.0 gigabit or 2.5Gb NIC and you have two ports needed for a firewall. Or plug in as many as 4x 1Gb NICs. Don’t do 5x NICs on USB 3.0 because you won’t get the full 5Gb out of USB 3.0.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Everything runs on Wi-Fi @ the home studio, but a dual NIC option would be nice for sure. Do you know if you can use the Wireless card in these to act as an AP? The Lenovo m720q has a riser card option , that thing can have two actual NIC.

    • @bleeb1347
      @bleeb1347 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Scott.The.IT.Guy. yes you can! As long as it is not Intel AX or Intel Wi-Fi 6(e) then you can use it as an OpenWRT bridge, AP, etc. Intel Wi-Fi 6 chipsets are kinda neutered because you cannot use it in OpenWRT as a “guest” and can only use it in AP mode. But this should be perfect for OpenWRT+pfsense combo if you run docker on it. This way it can be used as both AP and firewall. Let me know if you try and I’d be more than happy to assist with config. My logic is this; if you take the motherboard out of this case and put it in a 3D printed case and install pfsense on it, you can probably get $200 or more on eBay or other markets. Once you have an image, your work is done on the config side, and the rest is assembly and sales. Slap 2x USB NICs on it, make it pretty and it’s a reasonable firewall for 2.5Gb throughput with security enabled. Much faster than any N100 device that’s selling for $200 for sure.

    • @bleeb1347
      @bleeb1347 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Scott.The.IT.Guy. my replies keep getting deleted. Not sure why. I tried three times, fam. Apologies.

  • @mohamedkhalif1686
    @mohamedkhalif1686 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    am using i5 2400 OptiPlex 990 MT. this will be a great upgrade.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Once we get trough them will figure someting out.

    • @mohamedkhalif1686
      @mohamedkhalif1686 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Scott.The.IT.Guy. God bless u

  • @samwalker7567
    @samwalker7567 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Install a 64GB SSD, put ChromeOS Flex on them and they fly. Seriously.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I love ChromeOS, I will convert one for sure.

  • @CHarr747
    @CHarr747 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My god.... I hope no one is using the OS as installed from a place like EBay. Especially in a professional work environment. I understand where you are coming from about $30 to $60 for ram/ssd upgrades. But the +1 hr cost of reinstalling windows and firmware updates is something one should never skimp on, be it personal life or professional work environment. Especially from places like EBay. Heck, even big brands are having issues with inventory being shipped to customers with security issues like malware/key loggers/root kits.
    Never, and I mean, Never us an OS that you have not installed yourself.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Big thumbs up, unfortunately plenty of people does get stuff from all over the place! Not only that but also getting 6-8 years old “refurbished business class” laptops from Amazon for $300 and wondering why they are so sluggish…
      Not sure if you saw my respond on one the comment ”The $100 minimum cost I was referring to is for installing the SSD & Ram and doing a clean install of W11 with all drivers-firmware-updates. This job at Best Buy with parts and labor would cost you at least $200-$250. We would charge the same amount or even more because we must provide on-site service to pick them up and drop them off as well, not to mention also provide on-site warranty after the job was done with liability.”

  • @Skobeloff...
    @Skobeloff... 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dell is ewaste before it leaves the factory, that is why they use proprietary parts, and that is why they should be avoided.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Business class computers are very different, if you have 5 minutes, please watch this video and let me know what you think:th-cam.com/video/gdVWMlqpbEY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=e8FyQcDF8OeQi0WO

  • @bufordmaddogtannen
    @bufordmaddogtannen 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Some of the comments are mind boggling really... Even a 4th gen mobile CPU (e.g. I5 4310m) is perfectly fine to browse the Web, run Office and the occasional virtual machine, provided there is enough RAM.
    To get to a similar speed (since mobile CPUs from the 5th gen onwards all became ultra low voltage losing on performance) one would need a 7th gen CPU at least, with an 8th gen to achieve parity.
    As for what to do, buy cheap 240 GB SSD drives and repurpose these mini PCs as emulation stations, then sell them to end users, with a 3/6 months warranty.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Most of my clients are medical professionals, lawyers, accountants, construction; title; manufacturing companies. Even a 4-hour downtime would cost them more revenue loss or delay than what a brand-new PC would cost. They are rather just getting a new PC after 3 or 5 years if there is any problem with the PC. For the very same reason I would never provide any warranty on a used,. The one time when we did provided warranty in a somewhat similar situation at my first job, almost bankrupted the whole company, video here:
      th-cam.com/video/gdVWMlqpbEY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fNd0KBBTmctdUj7x&t=74
      One medical client just gave me two broken , three years old business class laptops and asked me to just throw them out without spending any time to fix them. Will release a video about that as well.

    • @bufordmaddogtannen
      @bufordmaddogtannen 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Scott.The.IT.Guy. what I'm saying is that even a 4th gen CPU is still a viable option for the majority of people, despite what some of the comments said.
      Your business clients will have different needs. Regular users instead could benefit from these refurbs, and you could extend to said regular non-business users a 3/6 months warranty and still make a profit.
      Technically you could still make a profit selling these mini PCs exactly as they are, without providing any upgrade, or even the OS, as this can be downloaded from Dell.

  • @610annasinclair
    @610annasinclair 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    promox cluster would be a lot of fun

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am a VPC or I guess I just was? (after the Broadcom - VMware acquisition & price hike and license changes)
      You nailed it, at one point will have to start moving all clients from ESXI to some other platform. Proxmox is on the radar for sure. Thanks for a reminder!

    • @610annasinclair
      @610annasinclair 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Scott.The.IT.Guy. I love it as 4 of the dells in a cluster would be a lot of fine but I on a fixed income love the vid keep up the good work

  • @Ronnocbot
    @Ronnocbot 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I do not agree. It is crazy that you can even still buy modern-ish computers with 5400 rpm spinning drives. A SATA or NVME ssd will breathe new life into these, At LEAST 5 more years of life. If I can reliably use a 10+ year old OptiPlex today, those most certainly will too. SSD's (especially SATA ones) are very inexpensive.
    I have an OptiPlex 7040 that came with an i5 and SLOW 5400 rpm spinning drive. Once I switched to an M.2 SSD, it is FAST! The benefit of the machines in your video is that they will run Windows 11 as they appear to be 8th gen intel or newer. Windows 10 and 11 do not play well with spinning drives.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agree, sure. For personal use, they can be 10 years old no problem. For a business where the employee is producing anywhere between $100-200-$300 revenue/ hour it makes sense to replace them after 5-6 years. A few hours of potential downtime outweigh the cost of a new & faster machine at that point. On the other hand, I just saw a 12 year old OptiPlex controlling a $150K machine in production 5 days a week 😊

  • @joeking-fw2wb
    @joeking-fw2wb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Download a batocera image or make your own and put it on a HDD or SSD and you'll have a cool little retro gaming pc!

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I will definitely give it a try, this sounds super cool!

    • @joeking-fw2wb
      @joeking-fw2wb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Scott.The.IT.Guy. do. I've been playing around with a few images for a few months. Really cool. Can take a bit of time making your own image. Easier if someone else has already made one of course... As pretty much everything is ready to play...

  • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
    @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    BLeeB, I am not sure why your comment is getting deleted, you are not blocked for sure. make a new comment and just put TEST in it see if that goes through.

  • @Scr34mik
    @Scr34mik 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    what about installing soemthing like pfsense on those ? you can unplug sata drives and run off of flash (afaik)

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We could, but we need two LAN ports as someone suggested. The only way to do that is using a USB to network adapter . I know in general these adapters are super cheap but still reliable, however I would probably not run firewall on it .

  • @chrisdelaney1838
    @chrisdelaney1838 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Would love one to just tinker with ... ☺😉

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      First comment - First PC gets upgraded will be yours. Thank you for your support!

    • @chrisdelaney1838
      @chrisdelaney1838 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @Scott.The.IT.Guy. I put together my entire setup from parts and computers I have found in people's trash. I hate to see stuff like that go into landfills when there is so much more that can be done with it, even if it is older and obsolete

    • @bobamu
      @bobamu 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@chrisdelaney1838 Yup. Even if something is "ewaste" if it works some value can be had out of it. I hate seeing stuff destroyed too. People trash better stuff than I buy. It's really quite sad.

    • @chrisdelaney1838
      @chrisdelaney1838 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @bobamu yeah, I have a lenovo Thinkcenter m80s with a i7-10700 and 16 gig ram. Someone just threw away. I let it sit for a day thinking they may come back...never did, so i grabbed it.

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chrisdelaney1838 That’s awesome!

  • @matthewfriend59
    @matthewfriend59 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    would it make sense to run one of these as a steam dedicated gaming server or would it be too slow?

    • @Scott.The.IT.Guy.
      @Scott.The.IT.Guy.  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Might be, with an upgraded i5 CPU and ram it should.

  • @scatterbrain9490
    @scatterbrain9490 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    👍