Thank you for this video! I was running into these issues with my 8960 i9k really getting low performance next to what would be expected. Also it was really helpful to see that the dell advanced air cooler and their liquid cooler perform basically the same even with the i9. Looks like my choice to go air cooler was probably good since at least it's lower maintenance long term, and quieter at idle which is nice. Great video, thanks again!
I just wanted to thank you for this series of videos. I recently purchased this PC and your information was really helpful in making choices. For example I never would have realized that I could get the tower cooler for just $100 more with the k processor than paying the $50 extra for the liquid cooler with the non-K processor. That extra $50 could equate to a year or more of additional use of this PC in the future. Thank you so much for your hard work. I just want you to know it is appreciated.
Thank you for your review. Dell seems have CPU power limit by system, so benchmark performance improvement seems limited. Software “Throttlestop” can ease Dell’s power limit. I recommend you to test it.
Thank you! I made another video on third party cpu coolers with the 8960 but ended up not releasing it, I will re record that video and add a couple things to it as well like WiFi improvements.
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. cannot wait. I have been meaning to try to upgrade to a 14900KS so any educational material on that is going to be priceless. These machines are so powerful
I have an XPS just like this one, save i913000K...I find everything you present here to be exactly as you describe...it is very nice to hear from an professional on this model, specifically Dell...while I usually purchase Dells for my own production/reliability systems...I never really appreciated their proprietary nature, I simply learned to live with it...your video actually makes this seem like a feature...congratulations!...my systems works very well for me...I do have one bug-a-boo, on this one, that bothers me...after replacing stock fans with and adding an addition Corsair Case intake fans (used a Noctura Sata powered fan splitter) ...BIOS can't seem to locate the fans, neither will after-market case fan configuring software...that being said, in operation they are indeed working just fine...plenty of air-flow when they need it...does not make sense to me, however, there it is...any comments you might have on that one would be greatly appreciated...again congratulations on a well made, to the point, tech video...thank-you!...jo'c
Thank you, really appreciate it! I ran into this issue with two different Noctua CPU coolers, I don’t think there is a setting in a bios to disable the fan warning. When I had the message about the “fan issue” at boot it offered me to run the Dell diagnostic. Once I ran that, the warning stopped recurring and never came back, not only that but it was adjusting the RPM perfectly as needed. However, with the other Noctua cooler the message was keep coming up at every restart and the fan was just running on a high rpm no matter what so ended up removing it. Can you try to run the Dell diagnostic when you have the fan failure message and see if that fixes it ?
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. Hey Scott...thanks so much for the timely reply...this was what I found...ran BIOS diagnostic as suggested by Dell...says everything is fine...still get "rear fan not detected msg etc.,."...when I run Dell SupportAssist says everything is fine...you can hear fans ramp up & down...I can feel gentle the breeze in normal operation ...acts normal to me...while the msg may be disconcerting, practically speaking everything seems fine...systems stays really cool...all fans including 3rd added one, seem to work as advertised...it is weird that now after mkt fan software cannot detect fans???...FYI, I never use plain fan splitters....always use sata powered fan splitters, Noctura in this case, which have the provision for RPM sensing etc.,.ridiles, wrapped in enigmas???...thanks again for detailed video, looking forward to see your future stuff...jo.
Great video brother. I’ve been binging all of your videos about the xps 8960. Currently debating picking up an XPS 8960 for $699 with an i7 13700 (no graphics card), or just build my own pc. Either one would be a massive improvement over my current gaming pc with an i5 3570k and AMD HD7970 from 2012 lol. Interested in the XPS because it would help make my video editing experience much better with quicksync.
Amazing content for these desktops. You are the top source for 8960 XPS machines on youtube. More ideas for 8960 videos: 1- can you put more than 64GB of ram into the 2 DIMMs and see if it accepts 2-Can you try putting in 6400MHz DDR5 Rams and see how far you can push it 3- what other good upgrades can we do on it that is worth doing?
Thank you! Really appreciate it! I tried to install a Noctua NH-D15 in this case a few days ago. It almost fit, but it`s just tall enough where I can`t fully close the side cover. The Noctua NH-U12A just arrived, if I am correct it should only take a few minutes to install it and I am really hoping for a huge performance gain coming out of this.
There are many great deals on these 13 Gen I7 and I9 PC's. I just ordered an I9 with a Nvidia 3070 and 32 Gigs of memory for $1340. It gives a Cinebench23 score of 35000. Amazing. I also have an I7 with no video card, just embedded graphics, for $560. Great finds.
I am the number 1 fan of your channel and at this point trying to decide between Intel i9-14900K and Intel i9-14900KS. The KS version is rating pretty high on benchmarks but wondering if you have any advice on which one we should use? (We use these machines at my startup for AI and they are not used for gamin). You should come visit us in San Francisco, our office has a farm of these machines :)
That sounds awesome! If you are planning to get multiple of these, I would get just one from each and test them the way you will run them. The KS is only 200 MHz faster which results in games about a 2% average performance increase. That number could be higher in your environment. I used to work for a company as a part of the hardware team. When it was time to get new desktops for the software developers we got one PC with top end CPU and a pc with a high end cpu. Three days later they came over and said that when they compiling code the top end CPU is 8 minutes faster than the cpu just below. He said they need to that least six times a day so that 8 minutes that is almost 1 hour faster/ employee and they had 40 software developers.
Hi Scott, Thanks for producing another informative video. I concur 100% with your advice. I ran a Dell XPS Studio 8700 from 2007 to 2017, and then an 8930 from 2017 to 2024 and ongoing. The latter has an Intel Core i7 8700 @ 3.20GHz running at around 58 centigrade. Is 58 too hot? Should I replace the original Dell stock CPU cooler with an aftermarket Noctua air cooler?
Hello, I think just taking the original cooler off cleaning it and putting new thermal grease on it will give you a measurable improvement. I tried two different Noctua cooler on this xps 8960 and gained no significant increase compared to the Dell tower cooler. Other hand , I was ended up with an error message at every boot , that the Noctua fan can’t be recognized or failed but at least was working properly. Do you have the pancake style cooler or the tower cooler ?
XPS 8960 what is that noise! Finally tracked it down to the AIO CPU Pump. Had Dell come out & replace it. Only slightly quieter. Never again, Advanced Tower Cooler only for me. Computer is in a small office under a desk & you can hear it. I'll get it swapped out. Stay away from the 2.6.0 BIOS. USB Errors & sluggish rear USB ports. Went back to 2.5.0 no issues. Computer came with 2.3.0.
Thank you for this review! I am thinking about getting this Desktop, and had two questions: 1) does there appear to be any proprietary connections for the Video Card? Would it be possible to use the card in a new system? 2) does it seem as though the ram slots are spaced out enough to replace the ram with something that has a heat sink cover? Thank you again Scott!
VGA card is a standard PC part, had no problem moving it to my custom PC and back. You can also put anyting in it as long as the power supply can handle it. The ram should also be fine, new video coming out in a couple of days, I will test and include that in it.
I didn't think it would be possible use the 14900K and a 4060 Ti with the 460 W PSU in this system. I would really like to see some data as far as power draw and thermals with that setup. I kept the 13700 in my 8960 (I really have no need for an i9) but was thinking of upgrading the GPU (it came with a 3050) and I was wary of wanting to put anything more than a 4060 in to replace the 3050. I would also be curious to see how the 460 W PSU compares to the 750/1000 W PSU since the spec page for the 8960 says those are platinum.
I was wondering as well , but It is possible.I had no problem running the 14900k with the 4060Ti on the 460w PSU. If you head over to Dell and select the customized 8960 with the same cpu and gpu , they will be shipped with the 460w psu. If you switch over to 4080 it will tell you that the minimum pus needs to be 750w the 4090 will require the 1000w.
Interesting, Dell's website also claims it should be fine to have a 4070 with the 460 W PSU but I have never seen even a conservative spec that suggests going that low wattage with a 4070. Makes me wonder what kind of OEM 4070 they might use. Incidentally, I'm assuming the 4060Ti in your video was an OEM variant as well? Also, according to Dell's specs on the 8960 the x16 slot only works at x8 lanes so you won't get the most out of any GPU that utilizes x16 lanes like the 4070 or 4080. A 4060 or 4060Ti would seem to be ideal.
I get the case fan warnings with my replacement fans. I saw where there was a bios setting on the 8940 to disable the case fan check. i can't find it with my 8960. Any help?
I ran into this issue with both Noctua CPU coolers i tried. I don’t think there is a setting in a bios to disable the fan warning. This is not my PC, it`s owned by my client. When I had the message about the “ fan issue” it offered me to run the Dell diagnostic and once I ran that the warning stopped and never came back with one of the Noctua cooler. However with the other one it was keep coming up at every restart no matter what, so I ended up removing it.
Great video! I'm thinking about Dell XPS 8960...but also thinking about waiting for the 8970... Do anybody know if Dell will release the 8970 this year, 2024? Do they release a new model every year?
Almost every year. 8960 supports 13 and 14 gen CPU’s. 15 gen Intel processors are coming out around December 2024. Not sure is they are going to release the 8970 next spring or not, if I have to guess they probably will.
@Scott.The.IT.Guy. Thanks Scott, now I have some thinking to do... I saw online that Dell (at least in Norway) doesn't offer the XPS with the RTX 4060 Ti, Only RTX 4060 (without Ti). They used to have Ti in stock but not anymore.... I'm thinking about buying just with basic Intel Graphics and buy a RTX 4060 Ti separately and put in, in that case... I'm new to upgrading desktops/PCs, but do I have to do anything else the just plug in the new graphics card? Don't have to do anything with the power supply...guess it has enough power for some upgrades... no software things that needs to be programmed or anything.. the computer adjusts automatically..? I do some Photoshop work so I read that a mid-range graphics card was recommended.... also to be checked for the future.
@@livingahumanlife2651 It’s pretty easy, just plug it in, attached the power cable from the PSU, Windows will download and install the driver, you will be up and running in 2 minutes.
I'm in between getting this or the Alienware Aurora R16 for AEC 3d modeling BIM work. The prices are about the same so what advantages would the R16 have over this 8960 if configured similarly? FWIW, I'd do the tower air cooler all day vs that tiny water cooler.
I am looking at the R16 specs and configurations at Dell. com right now. The 14Gen K and KF CPU comes with a combination of a 1000W Platinum Rated PSU, 240mm Liquid-Cooled CPU. www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/alienware-aurora-r16-gaming-desktop/spd/alienware-aurora-r16-desktop/useahctor16i13 What kind of config are you planning to get?
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. Dang mate, thanks for the response! considering... XPS: I7 1400k, windows 11 pro, 4070ti, 16gb RAM (upgrade aftermarket to 64gb - $200usd), 2tb ssd, 750w PSU, “advanced CPU air cooling” ~ $2109.99USD | R16: i7 14700F, windows 11 pro, 4070ti super, 16gb RAM (upgrade aftermarket to 64gb - $200usd), 1000w PSU, 240mm AIO CPU cooler ~ $2099.99USD So the R16 with its 240mm aio will help with cpu throttling and the 4070ti super is a little stronger graphically but other than that, they seem pretty evenly matched. For reliability/and performance, I'd love to have a big noctua air cooler but don't like what I'm seeing regarding the fan errors and such. Also, the "F" processor has a lower core clock which will help with power draw but I'm not overly concerned with it. 2.10 vs 3.4ghz base clock respctively for the F vs the K Thoughts...? 🍻
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. I replied but it didn't post so we'll try again ;) Thanks for the quick reply! I'm considering... XPS: I7 1400k, windows 11 pro, 4070ti, 16gb RAM (upgrade aftermarket to 64gb - $200usd), 2tb ssd, 750w PSU, “advanced CPU air cooling” ~ $2109.99USD R16: i7 14700F, windows 11 pro, 4070ti super, 16gb RAM (upgrade aftermarket to 64gb - $200usd), 1000w PSU, 240mm AIO CPU cooler ~ $2099.99USD The F cpu will be a little more efficient than the K to save on some power bills but that's not too important for me. The K, at the higher base clock may be more responsive in general... 2.10ghz vs 3.4ghz core clocks respectively. Thoughts? 🍻
@@freidrichnietzsche6643 Probably the R16. Not sure if this is correct : www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/16y7cz8/aurora_r16_i9_with_96gb_ram/
4th of July sales is about to start, maybe a better deal will appear, but these are good prices. Do you have access to the Dell refurbished outlet? Same config can be found sometimes with a significant discount. They have a same warranty as new and they look completely new as long as you not choose a scratch and dent pc. I would look at this one: outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/SecondaryInventorySearch.aspx?c=us&cs=28&l=en&s=dfb&sign=bnBYA0tousJ0J3I4SO0lLxoA7GtsmEAqA0KvREqdN4zjUsLYOn8PNQjg7megoatefYSz4rc3h1gnv8naVGm7uNqrY7JuDyahxGto2CgLyRbcmAr1N7o4grKkLt83rrAY75kbyG38Pukpn6zdciO38XknsOHuTGd%2fkzLCN2LCYk%2f5h%2f4e7IAcF9Nu6o5N2C5U
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. Dang, on the reddit thread that guy got 96gb to work which is awesome! It notes that he went 14th gen with an i9 and windows pro which is fine with me. I may make the jump and try spec'ing an i9 windows pro R16 to see if I can get it to work. I do have access to the outlet so that's always an option. If I go the route above, I'd just need to find an 14th gen i9 build ;) Many thanks for the help brother!
Thank you, Scott! ... about that smell i was telling you about.... and yeah, this is a clean sorta smell but always have to wonder what gas i am sniffing in confined spaces.... but thank you for telling me i'm not crazy! I even considered taking a covid test since smell seems to be a symptom 🤔😳 And yeah.... been in love with Dell for years now mainly because they are in Austin.... AKA "Silicon Valley East".... with an entire community in North Austin locally known as the "Dot Commies"... As it is now, i have my XPS 8930 sitting next to my XPS 8960.... my only complaint is Dell wants a fair amount of cash for their SupportAssist.... So, any suggestions on what to do with my old Dell? I was considering buying a new CPU but i have never really built a computer like that before.... a piece at a time. I am always scared about what MS will do!! ..... and yes, OneDrive is the ultimate virus! so i'd appreciate any comments on other OS's as well....
..... oh, an update...... whatever i was smelling has slowly gone away down to a slight odor now..... seems like whatever it was has out-gassed now and this was a brand-new computer so ..... either that or my sense of smell has died!! 🤣
Not sure if yopu have to enable the overclock feature in the bios or not, but do that first. Download and install the free intel EXT software and try this: www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fo0jdmrmo02h71.png%3Fwidth%3D3816%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D2486df890762b3a4bd794a063fc7eebbc4f0650f
I got a dell xps 8960 with i9 14th gen cpu, 4090 gpu, 1000 psu, with 4tb ssd, liquid cooling, dvd player, and 64gb ram for $3400 Anything else i should upgrade?
If I buy the Advanced Air Cooler from Dell direct for 55 bucs do I have to repaste the Cpu or just remove original cooler with this and remove and tighten some screws... awesome deal on the 4060ti 13gen I7 right now
The new CPU cooler will have a fresh thermal paste on it already, just clean the CPU and tighten 4 screws and you are good to go. Before you do that, I am in the process of making a video how to replace & install Dell coolers, however I hope I can install a Noctua NH-U12A in this XPS which should be the best air cooler options for the 8960.
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. I will definitely watch, next time you test a Dell G laptop I am also wondering how much cooling is effected and noise with Lid Closed or even Docked
There is nothing good about a system that features a custom mobo and PSU. The green DIMMs look like they are JEDEC and with RAM that is slow as fuck the CPU doesn't do as much. Replace it with a 6400C30 or something like that then see if any of those coolers are going to be enough for anything. I am not even going to start with that hermetically-sealed case. That thing is a disgrace. That system is shit.
Thank you for your comment! Of course, you can buy better parts which are prone to significantly higher performance. This is just an option on the market for someone who does not want/can/need to build a custom PC. This PC was on sale a few days ago with an i5-14600 for $698 without the RTX. For what it is and for what it costs I think this is a great option.
Thank you for this video! I was running into these issues with my 8960 i9k really getting low performance next to what would be expected. Also it was really helpful to see that the dell advanced air cooler and their liquid cooler perform basically the same even with the i9. Looks like my choice to go air cooler was probably good since at least it's lower maintenance long term, and quieter at idle which is nice. Great video, thanks again!
Glad it helped! Thank you!
I just wanted to thank you for this series of videos. I recently purchased this PC and your information was really helpful in making choices. For example I never would have realized that I could get the tower cooler for just $100 more with the k processor than paying the $50 extra for the liquid cooler with the non-K processor. That extra $50 could equate to a year or more of additional use of this PC in the future. Thank you so much for your hard work. I just want you to know it is appreciated.
Thank you for your comment, really appreciate it!
Thanks for the video! I love the XPS as it is, not planning to mod it!
Good choice!
Thank you for your review. Dell seems have CPU power limit by system, so benchmark performance improvement seems limited. Software “Throttlestop” can ease Dell’s power limit. I recommend you to test it.
Thanks for the info!
Love the detail of your video, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm getting this model tomorrow. It's a big upgrade for me. Thanks for the review.
Thank you for your comment! Really appreciate it! Congratulations for the new pc!
More 8960 material please ❤
Thank you! I made another video on third party cpu coolers with the 8960 but ended up not releasing it, I will re record that video and add a couple things to it as well like WiFi improvements.
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. cannot wait. I have been meaning to try to upgrade to a 14900KS so any educational material on that is going to be priceless. These machines are so powerful
I have an XPS just like this one, save i913000K...I find everything you present here to be exactly as you describe...it is very nice to hear from an professional on this model, specifically Dell...while I usually purchase Dells for my own production/reliability systems...I never really appreciated their proprietary nature, I simply learned to live with it...your video actually makes this seem like a feature...congratulations!...my systems works very well for me...I do have one bug-a-boo, on this one, that bothers me...after replacing stock fans with and adding an addition Corsair Case intake fans (used a Noctura Sata powered fan splitter) ...BIOS can't seem to locate the fans, neither will after-market case fan configuring software...that being said, in operation they are indeed working just fine...plenty of air-flow when they need it...does not make sense to me, however, there it is...any comments you might have on that one would be greatly appreciated...again congratulations on a well made, to the point, tech video...thank-you!...jo'c
Thank you, really appreciate it!
I ran into this issue with two different Noctua CPU coolers, I don’t think there is a setting in a bios to disable the fan warning.
When I had the message about the “fan issue” at boot it offered me to run the Dell diagnostic. Once I ran that, the warning stopped recurring and never came back, not only that but it was adjusting the RPM perfectly as needed.
However, with the other Noctua cooler the message was keep coming up at every restart and the fan was just running on a high rpm no matter what so ended up removing it.
Can you try to run the Dell diagnostic when you have the fan failure message and see if that fixes it ?
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. Hey Scott...thanks so much for the timely reply...this was what I found...ran BIOS diagnostic as suggested by Dell...says everything is fine...still get "rear fan not detected msg etc.,."...when I run Dell SupportAssist says everything is fine...you can hear fans ramp up & down...I can feel gentle the breeze in normal operation ...acts normal to me...while the msg may be disconcerting, practically speaking everything seems fine...systems stays really cool...all fans including 3rd added one, seem to work as advertised...it is weird that now after mkt fan software cannot detect fans???...FYI, I never use plain fan splitters....always use sata powered fan splitters, Noctura in this case, which have the provision for RPM sensing etc.,.ridiles, wrapped in enigmas???...thanks again for detailed video, looking forward to see your future stuff...jo.
I appreciate these series on the xps 8960
Thanks!
Great video brother. I’ve been binging all of your videos about the xps 8960. Currently debating picking up an XPS 8960 for $699 with an i7 13700 (no graphics card), or just build my own pc. Either one would be a massive improvement over my current gaming pc with an i5 3570k and AMD HD7970 from 2012 lol.
Interested in the XPS because it would help make my video editing experience much better with quicksync.
That was pretty smart , wanted to mentio in the next video the same thing you just did.
Amazing content for these desktops. You are the top source for 8960 XPS machines on youtube. More ideas for 8960 videos: 1- can you put more than 64GB of ram into the 2 DIMMs and see if it accepts 2-Can you try putting in 6400MHz DDR5 Rams and see how far you can push it 3- what other good upgrades can we do on it that is worth doing?
Thank you! Really appreciate it!
I tried to install a Noctua NH-D15 in this case a few days ago. It almost fit, but it`s just tall enough where I can`t fully close the side cover. The Noctua NH-U12A just arrived, if I am correct it should only take a few minutes to install it and I am really hoping for a huge performance gain coming out of this.
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. I am very excited about the next video. That sounds like a fun project
bump to see if these units can take more than 64gb of ram.
@@freidrichnietzsche6643 They are maxed out at 64 GB.
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. I installed CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 96GB and it worked
Heyyyy scott! i hope u didnt forget me. loving ur videos man will keep checking back on you :)))
Hey hey! Thank you for your support ! Really appreciate it!
There are many great deals on these 13 Gen I7 and I9 PC's. I just ordered an I9 with a Nvidia 3070 and 32 Gigs of memory for $1340. It gives a Cinebench23 score of 35000. Amazing. I also have an I7 with no video card, just embedded graphics, for $560. Great finds.
Awesome! Some of the deals are really good.
I am the number 1 fan of your channel and at this point trying to decide between Intel i9-14900K and Intel i9-14900KS. The KS version is rating pretty high on benchmarks but wondering if you have any advice on which one we should use? (We use these machines at my startup for AI and they are not used for gamin). You should come visit us in San Francisco, our office has a farm of these machines :)
That sounds awesome! If you are planning to get multiple of these, I would get just one from each and test them the way you will run them. The KS is only 200 MHz faster which results in games about a 2% average performance increase.
That number could be higher in your environment. I used to work for a company as a part of the hardware team. When it was time to get new desktops for the software developers we got one PC with top end CPU and a pc with a high end cpu.
Three days later they came over and said that when they compiling code the top end CPU is 8 minutes faster than the cpu just below. He said they need to that least six times a day so that 8 minutes that is almost 1 hour faster/ employee and they had 40 software developers.
Hi Scott,
Thanks for producing another informative video. I concur 100% with your advice. I ran a Dell XPS Studio 8700 from 2007 to 2017, and then an 8930 from 2017 to 2024 and ongoing. The latter has an Intel Core i7 8700 @ 3.20GHz running at around 58 centigrade. Is 58 too hot? Should I replace the original Dell stock CPU cooler with an aftermarket Noctua air cooler?
Hello,
I think just taking the original cooler off cleaning it and putting new thermal grease on it will give you a measurable improvement.
I tried two different Noctua cooler on this xps 8960 and gained no significant increase compared to the Dell tower cooler. Other hand , I was ended up with an error message at every boot , that the Noctua fan can’t be recognized or failed but at least was working properly.
Do you have the pancake style cooler or the tower cooler ?
Great video, thanks!
Thanks!
XPS 8960 what is that noise! Finally tracked it down to the AIO CPU Pump. Had Dell come out & replace it. Only slightly quieter. Never again, Advanced Tower Cooler only for me. Computer is in a small office under a desk & you can hear it. I'll get it swapped out. Stay away from the 2.6.0 BIOS. USB Errors & sluggish rear USB ports. Went back to 2.5.0 no issues. Computer came with 2.3.0.
It can happen with the pump and with the Fan as well ...unfortunately! Thanks for the heads up about the USB issue I was not aware of that.
Good stuff Scott
Thanks! Really appreciate it!
Thank you! Great Vid!
You're welcome!
Thank you for this review! I am thinking about getting this Desktop, and had two questions:
1) does there appear to be any proprietary connections for the Video Card? Would it be possible to use the card in a new system?
2) does it seem as though the ram slots are spaced out enough to replace the ram with something that has a heat sink cover?
Thank you again Scott!
VGA card is a standard PC part, had no problem moving it to my custom PC and back. You can also put anyting in it as long as the power supply can handle it.
The ram should also be fine, new video coming out in a couple of days, I will test and include that in it.
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. thank you Scott, I appreciate it!
I didn't think it would be possible use the 14900K and a 4060 Ti with the 460 W PSU in this system. I would really like to see some data as far as power draw and thermals with that setup. I kept the 13700 in my 8960 (I really have no need for an i9) but was thinking of upgrading the GPU (it came with a 3050) and I was wary of wanting to put anything more than a 4060 in to replace the 3050. I would also be curious to see how the 460 W PSU compares to the 750/1000 W PSU since the spec page for the 8960 says those are platinum.
I was wondering as well , but It is possible.I had no problem running the 14900k with the 4060Ti on the 460w PSU.
If you head over to Dell and select the customized 8960 with the same cpu and gpu , they will be shipped with the 460w psu. If you switch over to 4080 it will tell you that the minimum pus needs to be 750w the 4090 will require the 1000w.
Interesting, Dell's website also claims it should be fine to have a 4070 with the 460 W PSU but I have never seen even a conservative spec that suggests going that low wattage with a 4070. Makes me wonder what kind of OEM 4070 they might use. Incidentally, I'm assuming the 4060Ti in your video was an OEM variant as well? Also, according to Dell's specs on the 8960 the x16 slot only works at x8 lanes so you won't get the most out of any GPU that utilizes x16 lanes like the 4070 or 4080. A 4060 or 4060Ti would seem to be ideal.
I get the case fan warnings with my replacement fans. I saw where there was a bios setting on the 8940 to disable the case fan check. i can't find it with my 8960. Any help?
I ran into this issue with both Noctua CPU coolers i tried. I don’t think there is a setting in a bios to disable the fan warning. This is not my PC, it`s owned by my client. When I had the message about the “ fan issue” it offered me to run the Dell diagnostic and once I ran that the warning stopped and never came back with one of the Noctua cooler. However with the other one it was keep coming up at every restart no matter what, so I ended up removing it.
Great video! I'm thinking about Dell XPS 8960...but also thinking about waiting for the 8970... Do anybody know if Dell will release the 8970 this year, 2024? Do they release a new model every year?
Almost every year. 8960 supports 13 and 14 gen CPU’s. 15 gen Intel processors are coming out around December 2024.
Not sure is they are going to release the 8970 next spring or not, if I have to guess they probably will.
@Scott.The.IT.Guy. Thanks Scott, now I have some thinking to do... I saw online that Dell (at least in Norway) doesn't offer the XPS with the RTX 4060 Ti, Only RTX 4060 (without Ti). They used to have Ti in stock but not anymore.... I'm thinking about buying just with basic Intel Graphics and buy a RTX 4060 Ti separately and put in, in that case... I'm new to upgrading desktops/PCs, but do I have to do anything else the just plug in the new graphics card? Don't have to do anything with the power supply...guess it has enough power for some upgrades... no software things that needs to be programmed or anything.. the computer adjusts automatically..?
I do some Photoshop work so I read that a mid-range graphics card was recommended.... also to be checked for the future.
@@livingahumanlife2651 It’s pretty easy, just plug it in, attached the power cable from the PSU, Windows will download and install the driver, you will be up and running in 2 minutes.
I'm in between getting this or the Alienware Aurora R16 for AEC 3d modeling BIM work. The prices are about the same so what advantages would the R16 have over this 8960 if configured similarly?
FWIW, I'd do the tower air cooler all day vs that tiny water cooler.
I am looking at the R16 specs and configurations at Dell. com right now. The 14Gen K and KF CPU comes with a combination of a 1000W Platinum Rated PSU, 240mm Liquid-Cooled CPU.
www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/alienware-aurora-r16-gaming-desktop/spd/alienware-aurora-r16-desktop/useahctor16i13
What kind of config are you planning to get?
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. Dang mate, thanks for the response!
considering...
XPS: I7 1400k, windows 11 pro, 4070ti, 16gb RAM (upgrade aftermarket to 64gb - $200usd), 2tb ssd, 750w PSU, “advanced CPU air cooling” ~ $2109.99USD |
R16: i7 14700F, windows 11 pro, 4070ti super, 16gb RAM (upgrade aftermarket to 64gb - $200usd), 1000w PSU, 240mm AIO CPU cooler ~ $2099.99USD
So the R16 with its 240mm aio will help with cpu throttling and the 4070ti super is a little stronger graphically but other than that, they seem pretty evenly matched. For reliability/and performance, I'd love to have a big noctua air cooler but don't like what I'm seeing regarding the fan errors and such.
Also, the "F" processor has a lower core clock which will help with power draw but I'm not overly concerned with it. 2.10 vs 3.4ghz base clock respctively for the F vs the K
Thoughts...? 🍻
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. I replied but it didn't post so we'll try again ;)
Thanks for the quick reply!
I'm considering...
XPS: I7 1400k, windows 11 pro, 4070ti, 16gb RAM (upgrade aftermarket to 64gb - $200usd), 2tb ssd, 750w PSU, “advanced CPU air cooling” ~ $2109.99USD
R16: i7 14700F, windows 11 pro, 4070ti super, 16gb RAM (upgrade aftermarket to 64gb - $200usd), 1000w PSU, 240mm AIO CPU cooler ~ $2099.99USD
The F cpu will be a little more efficient than the K to save on some power bills but that's not too important for me. The K, at the higher base clock may be more responsive in general... 2.10ghz vs 3.4ghz core clocks respectively.
Thoughts? 🍻
@@freidrichnietzsche6643 Probably the R16.
Not sure if this is correct :
www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/16y7cz8/aurora_r16_i9_with_96gb_ram/
4th of July sales is about to start, maybe a better deal will appear, but these are good prices. Do you have access to the Dell refurbished outlet? Same config can be found sometimes with a significant discount. They have a same warranty as new and they look completely new as long as you not choose a scratch and dent pc.
I would look at this one:
outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/SecondaryInventorySearch.aspx?c=us&cs=28&l=en&s=dfb&sign=bnBYA0tousJ0J3I4SO0lLxoA7GtsmEAqA0KvREqdN4zjUsLYOn8PNQjg7megoatefYSz4rc3h1gnv8naVGm7uNqrY7JuDyahxGto2CgLyRbcmAr1N7o4grKkLt83rrAY75kbyG38Pukpn6zdciO38XknsOHuTGd%2fkzLCN2LCYk%2f5h%2f4e7IAcF9Nu6o5N2C5U
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. Dang, on the reddit thread that guy got 96gb to work which is awesome! It notes that he went 14th gen with an i9 and windows pro which is fine with me. I may make the jump and try spec'ing an i9 windows pro R16 to see if I can get it to work.
I do have access to the outlet so that's always an option. If I go the route above, I'd just need to find an 14th gen i9 build ;)
Many thanks for the help brother!
Thank you, Scott! ... about that smell i was telling you about.... and yeah, this is a clean sorta smell but always have to wonder what gas i am sniffing in confined spaces.... but thank you for telling me i'm not crazy! I even considered taking a covid test since smell seems to be a symptom 🤔😳
And yeah.... been in love with Dell for years now mainly because they are in Austin.... AKA "Silicon Valley East".... with an entire community in North Austin locally known as the "Dot Commies"... As it is now, i have my XPS 8930 sitting next to my XPS 8960.... my only complaint is Dell wants a fair amount of cash for their SupportAssist....
So, any suggestions on what to do with my old Dell? I was considering buying a new CPU but i have never really built a computer like that before.... a piece at a time. I am always scared about what MS will do!! ..... and yes, OneDrive is the ultimate virus! so i'd appreciate any comments on other OS's as well....
..... oh, an update...... whatever i was smelling has slowly gone away down to a slight odor now..... seems like whatever it was has out-gassed now and this was a brand-new computer so ..... either that or my sense of smell has died!! 🤣
What CPU do you have currently in the 8930? Also do you have the OS Running on an SSD ?
Is there a way to undervolt the cpu on this pc? I have one with a 13900k and 4090 and cannot seem to enable undervolting for the cpu
Not sure if yopu have to enable the overclock feature in the bios or not, but do that first.
Download and install the free intel EXT software and try this:
www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fo0jdmrmo02h71.png%3Fwidth%3D3816%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D2486df890762b3a4bd794a063fc7eebbc4f0650f
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. Yeah, I tried doing that, and it told me undervolting was locked or something like that
I got a dell xps 8960 with i9 14th gen cpu, 4090 gpu, 1000 psu, with 4tb ssd, liquid cooling, dvd player, and 64gb ram for $3400
Anything else i should upgrade?
That is a Monster! Congrats! Not one thing I can think of :)
If I buy the Advanced Air Cooler from Dell direct for 55 bucs do I have to repaste the Cpu or just remove original cooler with this and remove and tighten some screws... awesome deal on the 4060ti 13gen I7 right now
The new CPU cooler will have a fresh thermal paste on it already, just clean the CPU and tighten 4 screws and you are good to go.
Before you do that, I am in the process of making a video how to replace & install Dell coolers, however I hope I can install a Noctua NH-U12A in this XPS which should be the best air cooler options for the 8960.
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy. I will definitely watch, next time you test a Dell G laptop I am also wondering how much cooling is effected and noise with Lid Closed or even Docked
There is nothing good about a system that features a custom mobo and PSU. The green DIMMs look like they are JEDEC and with RAM that is slow as fuck the CPU doesn't do as much. Replace it with a 6400C30 or something like that then see if any of those coolers are going to be enough for anything. I am not even going to start with that hermetically-sealed case. That thing is a disgrace.
That system is shit.
Thank you for your comment!
Of course, you can buy better parts which are prone to significantly higher performance.
This is just an option on the market for someone who does not want/can/need to build a custom PC. This PC was on sale a few days ago with an i5-14600 for $698 without the RTX. For what it is and for what it costs I think this is a great option.
@@Scott.The.IT.Guy.you pay more for proprietary hardware. It doesn'tm ake sense at all if you are not a company...