Great Video! Thank you for showing it under a real life situation with a stone that much out of round. My stone was indeed out of round just like yours was. When I tried using the truing/dressing tool because I wasn't steadying the universal support, shown in your video, I was getting so much chatter that I almost ruined the stone. When you watch the Tormek truing videos done in their studio, they show you under ideal conditions which we all now do exist.
Thanks for the info Pete! Bought a former T-4 a few years back and have it for home use and occasionally sharpen something for a friend. things are getting worn a bit and your video helped me with the truing process. Great information!
I always radius my stones. It leaves a blended edge. When finish grinding I back off and then take what I call an atmosphere pass to make sure it's round. Thank you for a great video.
I must be doing something wrong because this jig has never flattened/squared my stone, even after hours of trying to flatten it. Slap an engineering square against to see if it worked.
The best tool to use for dressing is a 4and 1/2 " side grinder with a masonary grinding disc. Run the sharpener dry and dress the stone with the edge of the disc; very fast and easy.
I use something like that for the 3200 rpm bench grinder wheels. But wet grinders are 110rpm. Slow enough the angle grinders can't clip off the high side. so the rigidly mounted trueing jig is the tool. Thanks for your thoughts just the same.
Every pass I lower the adjusting nut on the tool rest leg one number. Sometimes I go 3/4 turn. if it feels like its bitting too much just go less. Subscribe to get latest new videos. one is up in tommrow. then Im starting a new sharpening series. it will show knives dropped off that have a problem that gets fixed showing the whole process.
I’ve been trying to hold a rusty file against the side of this antique pedal powered grindstone. But it’s going incredibly slowly. I wonder how they did this back in the day. In the middle ages or just even early modern era.
I suspect the first priority is to not let it get out of round. For you I’d use some kind of jig that lets you use an angle grinder with diamond wheel. This process is what I use on my felt wheel and hard convolute wheel. But I just use a reg cutoff wheel.
Have you come across any other good methods of trueing a stone without using the Tormek truing thing? Are there other options or diy methods that will get it most of the way true but maybe not as perfect as the tormek device?
No I haven’t. The trueing tool takes a beating and I’d pony up for this tool. That said for under $10 bucks you can try to use hf diamond (cbn) plates time flatten the surface but this will not help the out of round problems the stone will get. So just buy the right tool. It does last. I’ve never had a problem with mine.
Tormek and probably other stones go out of round if you are not trueing them regularly. If I get a chisel or planet blade I have to true it. Otherwise I go till it’s a bouncy problem. I stopped using black stones because of how bad they became. I sent a video to Tormek and described how they were suddenly far worse than my first 3 black stones. They reply with. “ if there’s a problem it’s operator error.” ( or something very close to that) Don’t get me wrong, their product is the best available but not perfect. And their wanting to better their product seems more like blame the user. I haven’t used the wens stone yet. I’ll report on it once I have an opinion.
@ShRed Vines my opinions don’t factor in pride of ownership. Tormek wins in that catagory. If you have the money go with it. Tormek makes the biggest selection of jigs. Wen says to buy tormek jigs. But if you’re not getting a wet grinder because you can’t afford or justify the cost of the tormek at least there is another option.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER your comment makes me think that it could be a consequence of leaving one side of the wheel in water for a long period of time after use.
Ok here is the deal with Wen and Tormek jigs. Wen expect Tormek jigs to be used. That is why they don’t make them. The problem is wens tool rest has different portions. The bar stock is the same but the two mounting legs are in different spots in relation to the wheels. So you can’t press the trueing tool up to the nearest leg to the stone. If you do push it as in Tormek’s design you can’t quite true the whole stone. So the fix is to position the tool so it can scrape the entire stone and tighten the locking knob tight. This will hold just fine. But will be about 3/4” away from near leg.
Just found your video. I have two questions. Why would you let a wheel get as bad as that? Those knives and tools sharpened with that wheel must be questionable right? If they are ok why did you dress that wheel?
The amount of out of round doesn't mess up the edge anymore than most whetstone sharpeners having a slightly inconstant stroke but you can still get a very sharp edge. I am told I deliver the sharpest most consistent edge compared to other farmers market sharpeners. That is what I am told by my customers. But I know of other sharpeners who are better. All around better But they don't work at Farmers Markets with a 1.5 minute per knife schedule. Nor charge a buck an inch. Now I even have a few chefs drive 30-40 minuets instead of the other sharpeners in their own city. P.S. After you have sharpened 60,000+ knives you can get good if not great results with just about anything. Watch my other videos, take from them what applies to your style, forget the rest. Good luck
How round is the hole in the middle of your stone? I have heard that people have had their stone go out of round simply because the hole in the middle was filled with plaster and slowly went oblong
Definitely not. The hole is the exact size of the axle but when they pack the stone material in the mold the guy who packs the south side doesn't pack it as well. I had to stop using the Black Stone cuz it got so bad. Tormek said it was operator error, not the product. The distrubritor who was going to bat for me said that's what they always say when there is a product problem!
Tormek is better. Better tool rest and faster wheel changing more pride of ownership. But wen delivers just as sharp an edge for a fraction of the cost. I’m using 2 wen now because you can use wheels farther down. And I use up 3 wheels a year.
Ive had many but my 2nd & 3rd ones was going out of round fast. Like one side was softer than the other. tormek blamed me for this. I stopped using them.
Did you use them to sharpen any of the steel I mentioned above. Tormek says they are good for exotic steels my guess is some of the harder turning tool steels? How about the diamond wheels ever try one of those? Thanks Aj
Hello I’m completely blind and use this Tormek and so far found your video of it to be the best. the companies videos don’t describe as well as you do but I have one question when you’re using the stone to change the grit of the wheel how and when do you know which grit to use do you change it for certain tools or what? I really can’t find any information on this hope you can help thanks
Ok I’ll answer your question but you have to answer one question for me. To achieve the grit you want is a guessing game. Tormek says the fine side is 1000 and course side 250g These grits are only an estimate. The time on each stone is said to be 1 minute. But tormek would like you to think it’s all very exact but really it’s not, and it doesn’t really matter. Your edge will not be any less if it’s off 200 grit. My question for you- How the hell are you doing any of this completely blind. I’m impressed!
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER i’m sorry if this comes across as stupid but that still really doesn’t answer my question so should I have my wheel permanently at 250 or 1000? Or should I change at some stage?. For example what grit do you use for spindle gouges and roughing gouges? As far the blind thing. I really don’t know how I do it I’m only turning 18 months so far. I’ve been taught the basics from an elderly gentleman. A lot of what I do myself at home is only done by thought and touch. I suppose it helps that I came from a technical background before I lost my site I was a Autobody mechanic I think people call it in America. Fixing crashed cars. If you want to have a look at some of my work that I made over the last 18 months you can find it on Facebook at. Blind craft wood turning A little bit of feedback would be great of some people thanks for your time and this great video
@@MrVinny3006 I did miss understand your question. I don’t turn wood but I do carve. Carving requires a very fine edge. But I think I’ve heard turning requires a burr left. If this is true then the 250 grit should be better. Also that is far easier. But you need to ask your mentor about what turning tools require. By the way you can make the stone even courser buy using it after trueing it. Just keep tools moving cuz the grooves will create jetways if you hold still. I use this method when something has heavy damage.
No downside. I sharpen so many knives in a week or two the small radius is gone. I have seen some guys have a huge radius 1/4”-3/8”and those can mess up some pocket knives and kitchen knives with finger guards as well as cheap plastic handled knives where the handle blocks the knife edge. Like Victorinox
Instead of wasting all the money on this Torment (sarc) jig do what I did and get a cheap diamond point on Ebay, mount on a pine jig mount on another piece of pine on the bar, Fucking works just fine
Often I get a tormek sg250 that is softer on one side. Weather little at a time or all at once. Your trueing it. And I use two wet grinders so changing grit back and forth isn’t something I do.
I’ve done a whole series of videos. But I then got 2 guys starting knife sharpening in my territory. It kinda freaked me out. These videos were just my Covid project while not being able to work. I put them on hold but I’m thinking of opening them up again. Let me ask you a question. Did you subscribe yet? When? I just reopened my trailer video this morning. If you were /weren’t subscribed did it pop up in your feed? I’m wondering how TH-cam handles this reposting. Thx Answer these questions and I’ll send you a link to the serrated video
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER I did subscribe yesterday. But I did not see anything different today, but to be honest, I am not interacting on TH-cam that much. Anyhow, I'm out in Germany (moved over from Virginia/MD/DC). I'm getting back onto guitar work here for myself, and got a number of abused chisels off of Ebay to get honed up, and I figure Its time to sharpen up my pocket knife too. I appreciated your vid. here. Next question for you: They have super cheap double sided wet/dry grinders that spin the 130RPM like a T4. On the opposing side is a full speed grinder. Do you guess I could use one of the fine/course grit blocks to dress one of these and get similar results? They are seriously only $40 grinders. I guess I would hand strop in that case because there is no stropping wheel. On google, "Einhell nass schleifmachine." Thank you!
@@lockdman Here is the serrated video link. th-cam.com/video/ETqH4-huWKo/w-d-xo.html I looked and I guess I didn't complete the "publish" on my trailer video. I am going to publish it now. let me know how it shows up in your feed, If you don't mind.
Couldn’t face spending that silly price for the TT-50, been making my own engineered jig, for 6 years, hahahaa, think I should have bought one. Can’t believe the replacement tip is about $50🙄😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣❤️
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER The one i’m just finishing, uses single point diamond dressing tips, if it gives a too rough finish, i’ll see if i can find a flat faced dresser.
Yes it is. But if you can’t justify buying a tormek but want one. So then you can buy the wen then you might just be fine also saving $30 on the grading stone. Think about it- probably 1/2 the Tormek sharpener tools actually sharpen less than 100 items in its life. It very justifiable wanting to save the cash.
Great Video! Thank you for showing it under a real life situation with a stone that much out of round. My stone was indeed out of round just like yours was. When I tried using the truing/dressing tool because I wasn't steadying the universal support, shown in your video, I was getting so much chatter that I almost ruined the stone. When you watch the Tormek truing videos done in their studio, they show you under ideal conditions which we all now do exist.
I thought I was the only one.
Thanks for the info Pete! Bought a former T-4 a few years back and have it for home use and occasionally sharpen something for a friend. things are getting worn a bit and your video helped me with the truing process. Great information!
Thanks. Did you subscribe? I’ve got a follow up about micro burr pretty soon.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER I sure did! I got some great ideas from your video and can’t wait to try them.
Great explanation. I was going to buy a new stone. Thanks for making this video. I picked up my wheel dressing device today.
I always radius my stones. It leaves a blended edge. When finish grinding I back off and then take what I call an atmosphere pass to make sure it's round. Thank you for a great video.
As well do I.
Patience..... and that round edge is also on my whetstones, a must, thanks!
Thanks for the tip on radiusing the edge of the stone, I've never tried that!
I must be doing something wrong because this jig has never flattened/squared my stone, even after hours of trying to flatten it. Slap an engineering square against to see if it worked.
That’s weird. Any variation in how your positioning it from what you see? What wet grinder brand?
The best tool to use for dressing is a 4and 1/2 " side grinder with a masonary grinding disc. Run the sharpener dry and dress the stone with the edge of the disc; very fast and easy.
I use something like that for the 3200 rpm bench grinder wheels. But wet grinders are 110rpm. Slow enough the angle grinders can't clip off the high side. so the rigidly mounted trueing jig is the tool. Thanks for your thoughts just the same.
Excellent video. Thank you Sir.
Every pass I lower the adjusting nut on the tool rest leg one number. Sometimes I go 3/4 turn. if it feels like its bitting too much just go less.
Subscribe to get latest new videos. one is up in tommrow. then Im starting a new sharpening series. it will show knives dropped off that have a problem that gets fixed showing the whole process.
I’ve been trying to hold a rusty file against the side of this antique pedal powered grindstone.
But it’s going incredibly slowly. I wonder how they did this back in the day. In the middle ages or just even early modern era.
I suspect the first priority is to not let it get out of round.
For you I’d use some kind of jig that lets you use an angle grinder with diamond wheel.
This process is what I use on my felt wheel and hard convolute wheel. But I just use a reg cutoff wheel.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER Thanks for the answer!
Like a grindstone cowboy ;-)
Sharpening bareback.
Have you come across any other good methods of trueing a stone without using the Tormek truing thing? Are there other options or diy methods that will get it most of the way true but maybe not as perfect as the tormek device?
No I haven’t. The trueing tool takes a beating and I’d pony up for this tool.
That said for under $10 bucks you can try to use hf diamond (cbn) plates time flatten the surface but this will not help the out of round problems the stone will get. So just buy the right tool. It does last. I’ve never had a problem with mine.
is it the stone or the driveshaft thats out of round? Kinda crazy for a $190 stone to be that out of true
Tormek and probably other stones go out of round if you are not trueing them regularly. If I get a chisel or planet blade I have to true it. Otherwise I go till it’s a bouncy problem. I stopped using black stones because of how bad they became. I sent a video to Tormek and described how they were suddenly far worse than my first 3 black stones. They reply with. “ if there’s a problem it’s operator error.” ( or something very close to that)
Don’t get me wrong, their product is the best available but not perfect. And their wanting to better their product seems more like blame the user. I haven’t used the wens stone yet. I’ll report on it once I have an opinion.
@ShRed Vines my opinions don’t factor in pride of ownership. Tormek wins in that catagory. If you have the money go with it. Tormek makes the biggest selection of jigs. Wen says to buy tormek jigs.
But if you’re not getting a wet grinder because you can’t afford or justify the cost of the tormek at least there is another option.
How does it becomes out of round in the first place?
@@sydrider6023 the mineral gets packed in the mold tighter on one side is my guess.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER your comment makes me think that it could be a consequence of leaving one side of the wheel in water for a long period of time after use.
@@sydrider6023 I’ve been told that. But I run continuously when sharpening then dump water to travel home.
Hi I just bought a wen sharpener. Where do I get this attachment? What is it called?
Thank you
Have you used this jig on your Wen sharpener? There are mixed answers on whether or not it will work for the whole width of that wheel. Thanks!
Ok here is the deal with Wen and Tormek jigs.
Wen expect Tormek jigs to be used. That is why they don’t make them.
The problem is wens tool rest has different portions. The bar stock is the same but the two mounting legs are in different spots in relation to the wheels. So you can’t press the trueing tool up to the nearest leg to the stone. If you do push it as in Tormek’s design you can’t quite true the whole stone. So the fix is to position the tool so it can scrape the entire stone and tighten the locking knob tight. This will hold just fine. But will be about 3/4” away from near leg.
Just found your video. I have two questions. Why would you let a wheel get as bad as that? Those knives and tools sharpened with that wheel must be questionable right? If they are ok why did you dress that wheel?
The amount of out of round doesn't mess up the edge anymore than most whetstone sharpeners having a slightly inconstant stroke but you can still get a very sharp edge. I am told I deliver the sharpest most consistent edge compared to other farmers market sharpeners. That is what I am told by my customers. But I know of other sharpeners who are better. All around better But they don't work at Farmers Markets with a 1.5 minute per knife schedule. Nor charge a buck an inch.
Now I even have a few chefs drive 30-40 minuets instead of the other sharpeners in their own city.
P.S.
After you have sharpened 60,000+ knives you can get good if not great results with just about anything.
Watch my other videos, take from them what applies to your style, forget the rest.
Good luck
How round is the hole in the middle of your stone? I have heard that people have had their stone go out of round simply because the hole in the middle was filled with plaster and slowly went oblong
Definitely not. The hole is the exact size of the axle but when they pack the stone material in the mold the guy who packs the south side doesn't pack it as well. I had to stop using the Black Stone cuz it got so bad. Tormek said it was operator error, not the product. The distrubritor who was going to bat for me said that's what they always say when there is a product problem!
This is how you dress a wheel on an O.D. Grinder.
Thank you. Do you recommend the Tormek over the Wen ?
Tormek is better. Better tool rest and faster wheel changing more pride of ownership. But wen delivers just as sharp an edge for a fraction of the cost. I’m using 2 wen now because you can use wheels farther down. And I use up 3 wheels a year.
Have you tried the black stones . I’m not particularly found of how the grey stone grinds T1 hss and m2 hss.
These are the steels I use in my jointer.
Ive had many but my 2nd & 3rd ones was going out of round fast. Like one side was softer than the other. tormek blamed me for this. I stopped using them.
Did you use them to sharpen any of the steel I mentioned above. Tormek says they are good for exotic steels my guess is some of the harder turning tool steels?
How about the diamond wheels ever try one of those?
Thanks Aj
Aj no I sharpened knives with then. I have not tried CBN wheels yet.
Hello I’m completely blind and use this Tormek and so far found your video of it to be the best. the companies videos don’t describe as well as you do but I have one question when you’re using the stone to change the grit of the wheel how and when do you know which grit to use do you change it for certain tools or what? I really can’t find any information on this hope you can help thanks
Ok I’ll answer your question but you have to answer one question for me.
To achieve the grit you want is a guessing game. Tormek says the fine side is 1000 and course side 250g
These grits are only an estimate. The time on each stone is said to be 1 minute. But tormek would like you to think it’s all very exact but really it’s not, and it doesn’t really matter. Your edge will not be any less if it’s off 200 grit.
My question for you-
How the hell are you doing any of this completely blind. I’m impressed!
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER i’m sorry if this comes across as stupid but that still really doesn’t answer my question so should I have my wheel permanently at 250 or 1000? Or should I change at some stage?. For example what grit do you use for spindle gouges and roughing gouges?
As far the blind thing. I really don’t know how I do it I’m only turning 18 months so far. I’ve been taught the basics from an elderly gentleman. A lot of what I do myself at home is only done by thought and touch. I suppose it helps that I came from a technical background before I lost my site I was a Autobody mechanic I think people call it in America. Fixing crashed cars. If you want to have a look at some of my work that I made over the last 18 months you can find it on Facebook at. Blind craft wood turning A little bit of feedback would be great of some people thanks for your time and this great video
@@MrVinny3006 I did miss understand your question. I don’t turn wood but I do carve. Carving requires a very fine edge. But I think I’ve heard turning requires a burr left. If this is true then the 250 grit should be better. Also that is far easier.
But you need to ask your mentor about what turning tools require. By the way you can make the stone even courser buy using it after trueing it. Just keep tools moving cuz the grooves will create jetways if you hold still. I use this method when something has heavy damage.
Any down side to rounding the edge? Have you ever rounded the edge and then wished you hadn't some number of knives later?
No downside. I sharpen so many knives in a week or two the small radius is gone. I have seen some guys have a huge radius 1/4”-3/8”and those can mess up some pocket knives and kitchen knives with finger guards as well as cheap plastic handled knives where the handle blocks the knife edge. Like Victorinox
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER thanks for that...when are you going to cut that video of your 2 sharpening methods? Toothy and polished.
Matthew Rowell not sure but soon. Less than a week.
Instead of wasting all the money on this Torment (sarc) jig do what I did and get a cheap diamond point on Ebay, mount on a pine jig mount on another piece of pine on the bar, Fucking works just fine
if you use diamond plates fixed in a chisel clamp, then you will not get a distortion of the stone after changing the grain size
Often I get a tormek sg250 that is softer on one side. Weather little at a time or all at once. Your trueing it. And I use two wet grinders so changing grit back and forth isn’t something I do.
Hey great video! Do you have any on doing serrations? I have been very shy to try keeping serrated knives sharp.
I’ve done a whole series of videos. But I then got 2 guys starting knife sharpening in my territory. It kinda freaked me out. These videos were just my Covid project while not being able to work. I put them on hold but I’m thinking of opening them up again.
Let me ask you a question. Did you subscribe yet? When? I just reopened my trailer video this morning. If you were /weren’t subscribed did it pop up in your feed? I’m wondering how TH-cam handles this reposting. Thx
Answer these questions and I’ll send you a link to the serrated video
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER I did subscribe yesterday. But I did not see anything different today, but to be honest, I am not interacting on TH-cam that much. Anyhow, I'm out in Germany (moved over from Virginia/MD/DC). I'm getting back onto guitar work here for myself, and got a number of abused chisels off of Ebay to get honed up, and I figure Its time to sharpen up my pocket knife too. I appreciated your vid. here. Next question for you: They have super cheap double sided wet/dry grinders that spin the 130RPM like a T4. On the opposing side is a full speed grinder. Do you guess I could use one of the fine/course grit blocks to dress one of these and get similar results? They are seriously only $40 grinders. I guess I would hand strop in that case because there is no stropping wheel. On google, "Einhell nass schleifmachine." Thank you!
@@lockdman Here is the serrated video link. th-cam.com/video/ETqH4-huWKo/w-d-xo.html
I looked and I guess I didn't complete the "publish" on my trailer video. I am going to publish it now. let me know how it shows up in your feed, If you don't mind.
I bought a round diamond file. Takes a lot of time and I only do my own. The leather honing with some compound on it works well too.
yes
Couldn’t face spending that silly price for the TT-50, been making my own engineered jig, for 6 years, hahahaa, think I should have bought one. Can’t believe the replacement tip is about $50🙄😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣❤️
I know. Tormek is the best but their prices are so inflated. I bet the cutting tips are universal if you searched
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER The one i’m just finishing, uses single point diamond dressing tips, if it gives a too rough finish, i’ll see if i can find a flat faced dresser.
nice video!
Same idea as turning a brake drum.
So isn’t it better to use grading stone?
Yes it is. But if you can’t justify buying a tormek but want one. So then you can buy the wen then you might just be fine also saving $30 on the grading stone.
Think about it- probably 1/2 the Tormek sharpener tools actually sharpen less than 100 items in its life. It very justifiable wanting to save the cash.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER yes, I’m doing research on what else I need considering I just received the wen sharpening machine along with the jig kit.
amaters
Terrible engineering on making these out of round stones
You're right. They should have made these out of square stones. 🤣🤣😂