kindergarten entertainment for the rich. there is nothing cooler than flying saucers yet and it is pointless to wait for them, they will never let you do it. greed and lust for power will always be on top. brace yourself.
Man I’m a truck driver. I’m in traffic every day for 12hr. I’ve dreamed about VTOLs for years. I know so many people who would love to fly in and out to work over ground traffic. This will definitely change the game. If they have some affordable way for people to utilize their services, it’s a rap from there. I’m saving up to take helicopter classes just for this.
the aircraft are possible but the practicality of them in cities is iffy whereas going to mars is actually fully practical and we've been doing it since the 60s with unmanned landers so its not a valid comparison at all
Blade is a better bet IMO. They have an established business flying routes, and just would need to partner with a manufacturer if eVTOLs succeed. Their market cap right now is almost the same as their yearly revenue, they’re very undervalued and slept on. I own Archer and Joby, but I don’t think they’re going to beat a company that has been established for a decade or so in terms of civilian transportation. Joby and Archer have a better chance at contracts I think, that’s where the gamble is with them. They could become huge given the tech works and they get government and private contracts, but for those betting on civilian transport, they’re far behind a company like Blade who can just buy eVTOLs if they work.
@@DoggoWillink you are correct on Blade being an excellent with its current flying routes, but remember Joby and archer are Uber type investments for the common person blade is more upperclass . Personally I think u having all 3 is a solid choice and me I’m probably gonna look into blade but Joby is still leading with its marketing and market cap
@@UnidadFamiliarCristiana at the time I posted this I bought Joby at 3.35 per share and had about 4500 shares and sold last month I made almost a times 2 profit but if your still holding they just made a partnership with Dubai and a new prediction is the shares should jump up too 12.10 a share so if your still Holding ether sell now or than and you made a profit
Or maybe because of the literal list of reasons he just stated 😂 Imagine thousands (or hundreds of thousands if you're suggesting replacing cars) of personal helicopters flying around your town for a half a fucking second dude. Have you ever DRIVEN in a city? If so you know what a nightmare it is, and how unqualified half of the drivers out there are. Imagine that problem extended into 3D Like, how do you watch someone rationally explain why they don't think an idea will ever be mass implemented in its current state, and go "Ur jUst jeAlouS!" Like, seriously? Are you 12?
they ll get quieter over time, we already have propeller designs that are much quieter and efficient. It’s just a matter of time. It will be rich people who dont like to commute but have big houses outside city. It would have way lower maintenance cost and easier to fly or automate hence quite cheap to fly and maintain.
Air taxis will be too loud to land often anywhere but airports. Tech can't solve all problems. Jets got much quieter but still are loud. Adding a medium whine to occur all the time as 100s fly overhead would be awful. Awful.
I just doubt drones especially carrying people will work.... I admit some noise of drones can be muffled. But it's still too loud. . . . And needed landing area for big flying cars is big, so much wind, like a whole parking lot, but most houses don't have full parking lot. . . I wonder how many people will be hurt from air blast picking up sticks, or houses scratched from sticks..... . And crashes will happen.... When a small flying vehicle has issues it's often fatal.. ”""Most aviation deaths in 2020 took place during general aviation operations, where 332 were killed, compared to 414 the year before. The 2020 fatal accident rate in general aviation was 1.049 accidents per 100,000 flight hours, compared to 2019’s rate of 1.064.""""". This suggests if each vehicle flies 2000 hours a year, 1 in 50 will have deadly crash each year. If ten people are sharing a drone, each person commuting 1 hour a day, this means 1 in 500 chance of fatal crash from commuting by air each year. I'm serious, flying small vehicles is RISKY. Even if electric drones are 2x safer than small planes, this is 1/1000 chance of dying each year in flying vehicle used daily.. The odds of dying in car are 36,000 per 360m Americans, so 1/10,000. Small planes are carefully maintains, with total teardown and cleaning every 500 hours. A drone in air 2000 hours a year won't be immune from same maintenance and costs and medium risk of failure.. Even if have parachute they can land in middle of ground traffic and get run over, or land on a pedestrian..... Boy, future is hard to predict. Flying stuff seems a longshot. . Peace
I don't think they can succeed because of their design. Lilium have more efficiency with much better design. They use DEVT jet engines with advantages in payload, aerodynamic efficiency and a lower noise profile.
It’s true what he’s saying. Those are inherent practical issues. Uses will probably not be in wide application urban environments. But still great for other use cases
Air taxis will happen before robotaxis. As it cuts out all the route complexity. And evtols have a solid backup safety tolerance. It will not just crash like propeller plans and helicopters do.
I think Lilium from Bavaria (Germany) is one of the best eVOTL. Not a two or three-seater, but a flying taxi with more people. It will take some time, but the future is getting closer.
His right about EVtols.....And we haven't spoken about manufacturing & infrastructure expenses....also all the Neodymium magnets, Copper wire, Lithium batteries needed.
@@robroninja There are people out there who is willing to pay for a 20 min helicopter ride, you think those people will not converted to EVOTL customers on subscription basis
I don’t want a street legal helicopter, because I don’t like flying just like Cus D’Amato didn’t like flying, I also hate helicopters after Kobe, and extortion 17, and the helicopter that was lost during the Red Wings mission in rescue of Marcus Luttrell, and any other great person that died in a helicopter or plane crash
@@TheRealTomahawk dont forget the super stealthy advance declassified black hawk helo that crashed during the raid of Osama Bin Laden compound in 2011.
@@rylanthompson5844The point of this is 0 carbon emissions, by redesigning the body and make them lighter for maximum efficiency, a battery powered helicopter wouldn't make it 20miles before battery runs out, so yes they are getting replaced soon.
Instead of going down 50 stories in a building, travel across ground to get to another buildings level, just go to the top floor and take an E-VTOL from a platform on top of building, to another platform.
Musk has no problem changing his mind over time. It's just a matter of figuring out a technology that wouldn't have those issues. For wide adoption of VTOL travel, they need to be almost completely automated, also with many redundancy features for safety reasons. For the major impact of noise pollution, I think adjustable wing VTOLs would make a difference by rotating their wings to glide and also reduce their RPMs while in flight. There are already companies like JOBY that do exactly that to a great success. But I'm not sure why people are bashing Elon for just about anything. He disrupts enough industries as it is. Tesla will most probably develop the kind of batteries that will make eVTOLs practical and approachable for consumer use.
Treat them like blimps in the early 1900s, have Platforms at top of TALL buildings in dense cities. Youre essentially trying to make building to building transport without sky bridges and plateau travel on the ground
I think a standard number of EVTOLs for regional flights only within an hour commuting (via car) would be the most appropriate for the market. At least that’s what I think will probably occur given the technology today.
A. Honestly Joby is pretty quiet. WAY more quiet than a typical rotor, single or twin prop aircraft. B. I’ve been a pilot for nearly twenty years. In that time, we haven’t gotten any closer to “affordable” private air travel than we were when the Wright brothers flew, so this point is moot. The average person is not going to see any more VTOLs that they see helicopters currently. Stupid argument is stupid.
I suspect he's right. The energy required to lift 4 people, their clobber, the machinery to lift them and the fuel to provide that energy is immense. That's why helicopters are so big, noisy and expensive. A car is a helicopter that doesn't take off. Look how much simpler it is... and cheaper... and quieter, just because it outsources it's lifting to the roads.
I think it depends on what you mean by "succeed". Jetson is doing pretty well. The idea of everybody flying around with those things all the time is not feasible but as a recreational craft - why not? ...also, most the points he raised also apply to helicopters.
As a 757/767 pilot he is clearly wrong. Remember all the trash talk about electric cars? I understand your fear of you loosing a job but it’s going to happen to all of us pilots. Invest in it so you can retire off of it early.
I understood somewhat of how the UFOs were powered… It basically has the power of a cyclone spinning and uses that power even creates a energy field around that plane that makes it no longer under the laws of physics.
You would have to create a massive amount of energy and shield against things like heat and offset gravity. The power needed would be tremendous- more than a spinning disc would generate.
Imagine if this Elon had told the younger Elon that VTOLs would be to loud to succeed…Younger Elon would just say “We will make them quieter…Yah” Older Elon what about the snow? Younger Elon We will reroute the battery coolant to heat sinks to warm affected equipment. Older Elon 🤷🏻♂️ What about things falling out of the sky??? Younger Elon that’s on you bro, it was your job to invent full self driving…😬
I like Elon, but something tells me that if he's not in on an innovation, then it won't work. All legit issues he brought, but it won't entirely scuttle the eVTOL air taxi use case, it just will reorient optimistic expectations held during the SPAC boom.
totally wrong on this and Elon knows it. Engineering is a field with constant improvement, so to say the feasibility of something like eVTOL is not good because VTOL is loud and impracticle is making a decision about an industry based on it's current state, not on it's potential state. Tesla was built on the potential state of vehicle industry, not the state of vehicles when Tesla began.
Interesting that Elon hasn't figured out noise cancellation for drone motors similar to noise cancelling headphones. He'll figure it out someday (there's a patent out there).
Odd 🤔 Didn’t he try to purchase Lilium (LILM)? And, they said no. Can someone please correct me with accuracy? And, Lilium doesn’t use propellers / drone-like. Lilium uses jet power.
He should look into Jetoptera. Their propulsion system is much more silent and they are currently undergoing development in the military, but will also enter the commercial market.
Vtols or e-vtols are absolutly the future, just think of all the money beeing saved on not needing roads and maintaining them and how many less accidents especially with wild life there will be. The future looks bright, all we need is better batteries so we get some decent range and price but that will come with quantum computing in a few years.
Now, I like the idea of an entity autonomously walking to locations but now we've got all these artificially programmed aluminum/sheet metal entities which are spiritually noisy on the cognitive baseline operating plane and so like...
He’s correct… As a GA pilot, I’ve already lost a prop and had a wing damaged by a 13 year old kid flying drones, I could have been killed or killed someone’s family. I hate drones with a passion, should be illegal. I can’t imagine a time when these noisy ass machines are buzzing 24/7. Hard pass……
So he said the price should go up really high So it can only be access by very few people or have cars that don't use propeller and stable with that. I bet it using only electricity or magnetic field from under the earth .
What opinion exists that isnt biased ? He gave his and you still clearly gave yours. And elon also gave his . All opinions with bias . You missed the elon being biased part went straight over your head thats why the authors opinion is what it is and your is what yours is .
This guy is against this project, I Don't believe this guy , INSTEAD he wants to introduce his underground hyperloop , which might loose the track if AIRTAXI comes commercial
does it really need explaining that the reason he is against it is because he knows his company wont be able to produce a safe enough vehicle to be allowed to sell it?
If helicopters were sufficient then you wouldn’t have the interest in the VTols. Maybe the Vtols would be less noisy etc if they were better utilized. Maybe sitting too long in a garage causes the loudness. And maybe traveling far and away more often would possibly help. I think that’s the name of a movie about Canada Geese. I love those. I am sure I could think of how to improve your VTOLs but I’d prob have to have more info on them. If you would like my two cents on these, I would be happy to. You can pay me in the normal ways plus I love your water bottles. I was promised one already by someone in your mt kisco location….
People can barely operate cars in 2D. Flying is like 3D. The amount of fui landing in trees, hitting power lines, landing on rooftops, crashing into other vtols. The licensing system would have to be an aviation license at least.
I would say to musk, why don’t you develop a quieter propulsion system? No! He would prefer to keep you on the ground in one of his evs powered by electricity while he flys his really quiet rockets. 🚀 🧨
No Elon Mars you couldn't be more wrong, these are all issues we can solve and Helicopters are not gonna cut it if we want a zero carbo emission future.
Except the JOBY S4 eVTOL is 100 times quieter than a conventional helicopter. Also, like Tesla cars, there are far fewer moving parts and far less maintenance costs involved. And the upfront cost of building the vehicle at scale will be much lower. From recent business decisions he’s made, I think Musk has totally lost it.
Joby’s challenge hasn’t even started. Making a prototype vehicle that flies is not too hard. Making it safe to operate all the time is a totally different story.
There are those who wait until a stock is a sure thing before investing. Then there are those who are willing to take a risk and get in on the ground floor. Fortune favors the bold. Im in at 6.50
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149Black Rock, Vanguard, Buffet, ARK are in with over 40 million. Delta, United, American, and the Pentagon have secured contracts and debuts in 4 days. I think the signs are obvious
He's a smart individual however i disagree with what he is saying here, my issue with the VTOL's is this... I'm sure they are going to have to abide by the FAA's rules in regards to weather, airspace, right of way etc. Im worried about pilots training in regards to emergency and abnormal conditions. For example, the Tilt-Rotor Osprey's that have maulfunctioned within the past decade let alone last few months. They only had two rotors to worry about, some of these have multiple.... I imagine you have one lever controling all of them which means you have a computer picking up the remainder of the work. What are the fail safes that are built in? Its a neat concept however, i am not a fan of helicopters. You have to correct that quickly or it can become unrecoverable rather quickly.
He's 100 percent on the money think about it what are they solve..nothing It's totally logic joby got 400 million for ridiculous helevopter Go listen torc copter .
We have already cars … you disrupted it in the same way - what’s you point Musk? Helicopters are much louder, very expensive I think 1.000 USD per our and you need qualified, expensive employers your are dependant on. I would call it democratization of Heli flights or Heli for everybody 😉
I don't get the argument? 300 feet under a helicopter is quieter than a drone at 150 feet. And I sure as hell can't feel either and neither do the trees. An MHX helicopter is barely audible at 500 feet. Also if LRAD can isolate ear destroying sound into a 1x1 meter colum for 1,200 meters with a device no larger than a car wheel since 2008; how the hell can't someone figure this out for evtol even if it was a true problem?
@@Revon-Feuer Well if Joby, Archer Aviation, and Lilium pretend to be fervent engineers, and pretend that the problem is harder than it actually would be in wartime research and development... then yeah, I can see them pocketing very relaxing 150k to 500k salaries coupled with intermitten stock pump and dumps. It would be easy to pretend to do engineering to the public. The EVTOL industry really does need a few Joint Chiefs walking through it each month.
It’ll only be the 1%, and only 20% of them would fly or have the balls, then only 10% of them actually will.. it’ll just be for fun, then you can only park certain places, not parking garages. I could see this maybe for hunting, or going to your lake house, cabin, cottage, or whatever, and you go alone or maybe one other person…
All sound like primitive problems aerospace industry has been dealing with for over a century. I just don’t think Elon is interested in solving those problems. Space and 2D are just that much more deterministic so I get it, he is a shrewd business man first and a disruptive engineer after.
Do you people know why Elon is desperate to get to Mars? As much as I hate to say it, and as much as I feel that mostly criticism is what I will hear as a result.... he realizes that it is obvious. The powers that be... intend to bring about ww3. Kinda like the fallout game. For instance, the usa spends most of its defense budget on maintaining it's still growing nuclear arsenal. There are much cheaper and easier ways to make power than nuclear power plants .So why use them? You need them to make nukes.Nukes apparently don't leave the residual radiation as claimed, if detonated at the right altitude, but are still very lethal. Look to Japan as proof of this. Hiroshima has been occupied since right after the explosion, but no one saying keep away from there due to radiation! And then there was the Georgia guidestones, and times , recently that people likes Gates and Harris have made comments about needing to reduce the population. Thats why Elon is talking about protecting/ saving humanity by making it multi planetary. Decide for yourselves, if you think what I have said holds water or not.
Granted i disagree with him here in regards to what he is saying, 😅 you forgot he is the only person who has a team that can successfully land rocket boosters back on earth. 😅😅😅 @@floydb9100
I like the idea of hyper loop but we already have these things called trains.
kindergarten entertainment for the rich. there is nothing cooler than flying saucers yet and it is pointless to wait for them, they will never let you do it. greed and lust for power will always be on top. brace yourself.
You cant compare a service that still would be useless to half the population, to a service that would change international transport from the root
Hyper loop is a fixed system that speeds up inter-city travel exponentially
@@rylanthompson5844 as if like Rails were not fixed..
@@bushairkp trains can’t go 600 mph.
Man I’m a truck driver. I’m in traffic every day for 12hr. I’ve dreamed about VTOLs for years. I know so many people who would love to fly in and out to work over ground traffic. This will definitely change the game. If they have some affordable way for people to utilize their services, it’s a rap from there. I’m saving up to take helicopter classes just for this.
Sure, we can get to Mars, but flying cars? That's just sky-high chaos.
Yeah, excellent apples to apples comparison.
the aircraft are possible but the practicality of them in cities is iffy whereas going to mars is actually fully practical and we've been doing it since the 60s with unmanned landers so its not a valid comparison at all
Joby is gonna make such a difference in the world next year
Blade is a better bet IMO. They have an established business flying routes, and just would need to partner with a manufacturer if eVTOLs succeed. Their market cap right now is almost the same as their yearly revenue, they’re very undervalued and slept on. I own Archer and Joby, but I don’t think they’re going to beat a company that has been established for a decade or so in terms of civilian transportation. Joby and Archer have a better chance at contracts I think, that’s where the gamble is with them. They could become huge given the tech works and they get government and private contracts, but for those betting on civilian transport, they’re far behind a company like Blade who can just buy eVTOLs if they work.
@@DoggoWillink you are correct on
Blade being an excellent with its current flying routes, but remember Joby and archer are Uber type investments for the common person blade is more upperclass . Personally I think u having all 3 is a solid choice and me I’m probably gonna look into blade but Joby is still leading with its marketing and market cap
lillium is such a better platform imo.
It's now next year. Hope you were right.
@@UnidadFamiliarCristiana at the time I posted this I bought Joby at 3.35 per share and had about 4500 shares and sold last month I made almost a times 2 profit but if your still holding they just made a partnership with Dubai and a new prediction is the shares should jump up too 12.10 a share so if your still
Holding ether sell now or than and you made a profit
I think he’s being negative because he didn’t invest or create one.
Its a deepfake
I would say he would become more positive if he invented it.
He did invest lilium
He hasn't created anything!
Or maybe because of the literal list of reasons he just stated 😂
Imagine thousands (or hundreds of thousands if you're suggesting replacing cars) of personal helicopters flying around your town for a half a fucking second dude.
Have you ever DRIVEN in a city?
If so you know what a nightmare it is, and how unqualified half of the drivers out there are.
Imagine that problem extended into 3D
Like, how do you watch someone rationally explain why they don't think an idea will ever be mass implemented in its current state, and go
"Ur jUst jeAlouS!"
Like, seriously?
Are you 12?
they ll get quieter over time, we already have propeller designs that are much quieter and efficient. It’s just a matter of time. It will be rich people who dont like to commute but have big houses outside city. It would have way lower maintenance cost and easier to fly or automate hence quite cheap to fly and maintain.
Air taxis will be too loud to land often anywhere but airports. Tech can't solve all problems. Jets got much quieter but still are loud. Adding a medium whine to occur all the time as 100s fly overhead would be awful. Awful.
@@noonientrekdfaasdexcept evtol on basic are already much quieter than a helicopter,,,🙄😒
I just doubt drones especially carrying people will work.... I admit some noise of drones can be muffled. But it's still too loud. . . . And needed landing area for big flying cars is big, so much wind, like a whole parking lot, but most houses don't have full parking lot. . . I wonder how many people will be hurt from air blast picking up sticks, or houses scratched from sticks..... .
And crashes will happen.... When a small flying vehicle has issues it's often fatal.. ”""Most aviation deaths in 2020 took place during general aviation operations, where 332 were killed, compared to 414 the year before. The 2020 fatal accident rate in general aviation was 1.049 accidents per 100,000 flight hours, compared to 2019’s rate of 1.064.""""". This suggests if each vehicle flies 2000 hours a year, 1 in 50 will have deadly crash each year. If ten people are sharing a drone, each person commuting 1 hour a day, this means 1 in 500 chance of fatal crash from commuting by air each year. I'm serious, flying small vehicles is RISKY.
Even if electric drones are 2x safer than small planes, this is 1/1000 chance of dying each year in flying vehicle used daily.. The odds of dying in car are 36,000 per 360m Americans, so 1/10,000.
Small planes are carefully maintains, with total teardown and cleaning every 500 hours. A drone in air 2000 hours a year won't be immune from same maintenance and costs and medium risk of failure..
Even if have parachute they can land in middle of ground traffic and get run over, or land on a pedestrian.....
Boy, future is hard to predict. Flying stuff seems a longshot. . Peace
joby
What we need is for the government to stop hoarding antigravity technology.
He may be upset because ex-Tesla employees are working at places like Joby and Archer Aviation
I think this is a deepfake. His mouth is moving strangely
Basically just described a few people I know. Was excised to work at Tesla, then realized Elon is not a very good employer and moved to joby
@@therealgaben5527serious work environment. Good pay and stock options tho. I think 2 million applied to work there last year.
I don't think they can succeed because of their design. Lilium have more efficiency with much better design. They use DEVT jet engines with advantages in payload, aerodynamic efficiency and a lower noise profile.
Nope. He doesn’t care about his employees. Why should he care for people who left?
If the lightsaber was invemted, he'd say we already have swords.
It’s true what he’s saying. Those are inherent practical issues.
Uses will probably not be in wide application urban environments.
But still great for other use cases
Its hypocritical coming from him and hes an a hole but hes not wrong about the practicality of them currently
Air taxis will happen before robotaxis. As it cuts out all the route complexity. And evtols have a solid backup safety tolerance. It will not just crash like propeller plans and helicopters do.
He’s 100 right. Personal VTOLs will be like dirt bikes. Not road legal, but do what you like on your own property
You can ride dirt bikes in the street
law abiding coward you are. are you delulu
Archer aviation is testing in Chicago. Windy city ! The performance does great.
I think Lilium from Bavaria (Germany) is one of the best eVOTL. Not a two or three-seater, but a flying taxi with more people. It will take some time, but the future is getting closer.
His right about EVtols.....And we haven't spoken about manufacturing & infrastructure expenses....also all the Neodymium magnets, Copper wire, Lithium batteries needed.
He can’t say anything good unless he was the first one to think of it . Lots of smart people in the world besides you 🎉
But he can have an opinion though, can’t he? Seems like people are being more negative towards him than he is towards vtols
There’s lots of ideas that seem cool but don’t make sense from a business perspective. Elon makes accurate points
@@robroninja There are people out there who is willing to pay for a 20 min helicopter ride, you think those people will not converted to EVOTL customers on subscription basis
And, the simple idea is to replace helicopters.
I don’t want a street legal helicopter, because I don’t like flying just like Cus D’Amato didn’t like flying, I also hate helicopters after Kobe, and extortion 17, and the helicopter that was lost during the Red Wings mission in rescue of Marcus Luttrell, and any other great person that died in a helicopter or plane crash
Helicopters have very powerful turboshaft engines, these will NOT replace them
@@TheRealTomahawk dont forget the super stealthy advance declassified black hawk helo that crashed during the raid of Osama Bin Laden compound in 2011.
@@rylanthompson5844The point of this is 0 carbon emissions, by redesigning the body and make them lighter for maximum efficiency, a battery powered helicopter wouldn't make it 20miles before battery runs out, so yes they are getting replaced soon.
@@Stephenson-2-18 no, will still need heavy lift helicopters with an actual usable range. These are not gonna cut it
Instead of going down 50 stories in a building, travel across ground to get to another buildings level, just go to the top floor and take an E-VTOL from a platform on top of building, to another platform.
Musk has no problem changing his mind over time. It's just a matter of figuring out a technology that wouldn't have those issues. For wide adoption of VTOL travel, they need to be almost completely automated, also with many redundancy features for safety reasons. For the major impact of noise pollution, I think adjustable wing VTOLs would make a difference by rotating their wings to glide and also reduce their RPMs while in flight. There are already companies like JOBY that do exactly that to a great success. But I'm not sure why people are bashing Elon for just about anything. He disrupts enough industries as it is. Tesla will most probably develop the kind of batteries that will make eVTOLs practical and approachable for consumer use.
Treat them like blimps in the early 1900s, have Platforms at top of TALL buildings in dense cities.
Youre essentially trying to make building to building transport without sky bridges and plateau travel on the ground
I think a standard number of EVTOLs for regional flights only within an hour commuting (via car) would be the most appropriate for the market. At least that’s what I think will probably occur given the technology today.
So true! Not to mention, people have a hard time driving! Flying is a whole different game!
A. Honestly Joby is pretty quiet. WAY more quiet than a typical rotor, single or twin prop aircraft.
B. I’ve been a pilot for nearly twenty years. In that time, we haven’t gotten any closer to “affordable” private air travel than we were when the Wright brothers flew, so this point is moot.
The average person is not going to see any more VTOLs that they see helicopters currently.
Stupid argument is stupid.
I suspect he's right. The energy required to lift 4 people, their clobber, the machinery to lift them and the fuel to provide that energy is immense. That's why helicopters are so big, noisy and expensive.
A car is a helicopter that doesn't take off. Look how much simpler it is... and cheaper... and quieter, just because it outsources it's lifting to the roads.
I think it depends on what you mean by "succeed". Jetson is doing pretty well. The idea of everybody flying around with those things all the time is not feasible but as a recreational craft - why not?
...also, most the points he raised also apply to helicopters.
As a helicopter pilot, he ain’t wrong.
He is wrong on noise and look at his stock falling now. Take what this guy says with a grain of salt for sure!
@user-uc8jo4nq1pexcept he's not..
But it is not a helicopter. He is just of bad faith
As a 757/767 pilot he is clearly wrong. Remember all the trash talk about electric cars? I understand your fear of you loosing a job but it’s going to happen to all of us pilots. Invest in it so you can retire off of it early.
I understood somewhat of how the UFOs were powered… It basically has the power of a cyclone spinning and uses that power even creates a energy field around that plane that makes it no longer under the laws of physics.
You would have to create a massive amount of energy and shield against things like heat and offset gravity. The power needed would be tremendous- more than a spinning disc would generate.
I agree with him to a certain extent but I DO think VTOLs will succeed
Lets just use them not over cities and with good weather conditions
They will improve, more blades, less rpm, quieter. Tech will address much of the noise. It’s still the best test bed out there. Grow from it.
He’s 1000% right.
Imagine if this Elon had told the younger Elon that VTOLs would be to loud to succeed…Younger Elon would just say “We will make them quieter…Yah” Older Elon what about the snow? Younger Elon We will reroute the battery coolant to heat sinks to warm affected equipment. Older Elon 🤷🏻♂️ What about things falling out of the sky??? Younger Elon that’s on you bro, it was your job to invent full self driving…😬
I like Elon, but something tells me that if he's not in on an innovation, then it won't work. All legit issues he brought, but it won't entirely scuttle the eVTOL air taxi use case, it just will reorient optimistic expectations held during the SPAC boom.
VTOLs will never be a thing because it will never be cost effective.
totally wrong on this and Elon knows it. Engineering is a field with constant improvement, so to say the feasibility of something like eVTOL is not good because VTOL is loud and impracticle is making a decision about an industry based on it's current state, not on it's potential state. Tesla was built on the potential state of vehicle industry, not the state of vehicles when Tesla began.
Couldn’t agree more! I think it’s a sweet idea it’s just got way more cons then has for pros
Someone fix the issues please and thaaannnkkkyouuu
Gravity is not very forgiving. It either works or it doesn't. Not a whole lot inbetween.
He turns around and creates one and beats you to the punch
I mean, who can really argue with this guy? People who like to make fun of him aren't launching Rockets into space, you know..
Interesting that Elon hasn't figured out noise cancellation for drone motors similar to noise cancelling headphones. He'll figure it out someday (there's a patent out there).
Odd 🤔
Didn’t he try to purchase Lilium (LILM)? And, they said no. Can someone please correct me with accuracy?
And, Lilium doesn’t use propellers / drone-like. Lilium uses jet power.
He should look into Jetoptera. Their propulsion system is much more silent and they are currently undergoing development in the military, but will also enter the commercial market.
We already have underground tunnels they are called subways.
The noise will be less than 50% of a standard helo.
Everyone remembers him mocking BYD
Uhh these EV Vtols are quieter than helicopters.
But Dogecoin is a genius investment
Vtols or e-vtols are absolutly the future, just think of all the money beeing saved on not needing roads and maintaining them and how many less accidents especially with wild life there will be. The future looks bright, all we need is better batteries so we get some decent range and price but that will come with quantum computing in a few years.
Now, I like the idea of an entity autonomously walking to locations but now we've got all these artificially programmed aluminum/sheet metal entities which are spiritually noisy on the cognitive baseline operating plane and so like...
He’s correct… As a GA pilot, I’ve already lost a prop and had a wing damaged by a 13 year old kid flying drones, I could have been killed or killed someone’s family. I hate drones with a passion, should be illegal. I can’t imagine a time when these noisy ass machines are buzzing 24/7. Hard pass……
So he said the price should go up really high So it can only be access by very few people or have cars that don't use propeller and stable with that. I bet it using only electricity or magnetic field from under the earth .
You ask if we agree. But put a clown face on him on the end? Clearly you didn’t want a non biased opinion , just the answer you wanted to hear
What opinion exists that isnt biased ? He gave his and you still clearly gave yours. And elon also gave his . All opinions with bias . You missed the elon being biased part went straight over your head thats why the authors opinion is what it is and your is what yours is .
Clearly
Am EVTOL seems like the perfect product fit for Tesla. But Elon opted for Boring tunnels. I'll guess we'll see whatbthe future holds.
Helicopters are loud too
This guy is against this project, I Don't believe this guy , INSTEAD he wants to introduce his underground hyperloop , which might loose the track if AIRTAXI comes commercial
does it really need explaining that the reason he is against it is because he knows his company wont be able to produce a safe enough vehicle to be allowed to sell it?
If the man that changed the world for the better says it’s shite , i believe him😊
If helicopters were sufficient then you wouldn’t have the interest in the VTols. Maybe the Vtols would be less noisy etc if they were better utilized. Maybe sitting too long in a garage causes the loudness. And maybe traveling far and away more often would possibly help. I think that’s the name of a movie about Canada Geese. I love those. I am sure I could think of how to improve your VTOLs but I’d prob have to have more info on them. If you would like my two cents on these, I would be happy to. You can pay me in the normal ways plus I love your water bottles. I was promised one already by someone in your mt kisco location….
Beats being stuck in a tunnel ...
The clown at the end 🤣🤣🤣
People can barely operate cars in 2D. Flying is like 3D. The amount of fui landing in trees, hitting power lines, landing on rooftops, crashing into other vtols. The licensing system would have to be an aviation license at least.
Battery Technology is too old, improve energy storage and maybe, but right now, we are not there yet, maybe in 50 more years.
I would say to musk, why don’t you develop a quieter propulsion system? No! He would prefer to keep you on the ground in one of his evs powered by electricity while he flys his really quiet rockets. 🚀 🧨
Wait....isnt this the same guy building robots & putting chips in human brains?! 🤦♂️
😢s beautiful wat is The prise for that flight cart
How can I know if this is a deepfake or not?
because he doesn't say um um enough for it to be real.
common sense
No Elon Mars you couldn't be more wrong, these are all issues we can solve and Helicopters are not gonna cut it if we want a zero carbo emission future.
Nobody gives a shit about a zero carbon emission future, it’s literally not even possible for that to exist.
People have too much money.
We Can make différents things to travel
Except the JOBY S4 eVTOL is 100 times quieter than a conventional helicopter. Also, like Tesla cars, there are far fewer moving parts and far less maintenance costs involved. And the upfront cost of building the vehicle at scale will be much lower. From recent business decisions he’s made, I think Musk has totally lost it.
can it lift the weight of a human for 5 minutes? there is no evidence it can.
I love it when idiots can't just disagree with a person. Instead they have to claim that he's actually crazy.
Rain snow and sleet high-wind SpaceX can't launch a rocket don't make sense Mr elon
Joby’s challenge hasn’t even started. Making a prototype vehicle that flies is not too hard. Making it safe to operate all the time is a totally different story.
@@frankyflowersVolocopter and Lilium for example can - can’t you imagine a smaller, less noisy helicopter?
People die all the time especially in cars
Lilium is not drone. It's eVTOL airplane with advantages in payload, aerodynamic efficiency and a lower noise profile then eVTOL drones.
Be careful with the stock. Not commercialized yet.
There are those who wait until a stock is a sure thing before investing. Then there are those who are willing to take a risk and get in on the ground floor.
Fortune favors the bold. Im in at 6.50
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149Black Rock, Vanguard, Buffet, ARK are in with over 40 million. Delta, United, American, and the Pentagon have secured contracts and debuts in 4 days. I think the signs are obvious
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149true, we got tesla stock when it was less than $25. They said it would fail to, but so far so good.
He's a smart individual however i disagree with what he is saying here, my issue with the VTOL's is this... I'm sure they are going to have to abide by the FAA's rules in regards to weather, airspace, right of way etc. Im worried about pilots training in regards to emergency and abnormal conditions. For example, the Tilt-Rotor Osprey's that have maulfunctioned within the past decade let alone last few months. They only had two rotors to worry about, some of these have multiple.... I imagine you have one lever controling all of them which means you have a computer picking up the remainder of the work. What are the fail safes that are built in? Its a neat concept however, i am not a fan of helicopters. You have to correct that quickly or it can become unrecoverable rather quickly.
People can barely handle driving as it is
He's 100 percent on the money think about it what are they solve..nothing
It's totally logic joby got 400 million for ridiculous helevopter
Go listen torc copter .
He is no better than Bill Gates.
And we're worse 😢
And double decker train, bus, tramway, plane and 6 wheels cars
I want one
This is a error that is surprising my design addresses those issues the world is wide open to the right design. Oh I did that
We have already cars … you disrupted it in the same way - what’s you point Musk?
Helicopters are much louder, very expensive I think 1.000 USD per our and you need qualified, expensive employers your are dependant on. I would call it democratization of Heli flights or Heli for everybody 😉
new propellers are in an eight shape and much more quiet
I don't get the argument? 300 feet under a helicopter is quieter than a drone at 150 feet. And I sure as hell can't feel either and neither do the trees. An MHX helicopter is barely audible at 500 feet. Also if LRAD can isolate ear destroying sound into a 1x1 meter colum for 1,200 meters with a device no larger than a car wheel since 2008; how the hell can't someone figure this out for evtol even if it was a true problem?
We don't have people who know what they're doing in the industry.
@@Revon-Feuer Well if Joby, Archer Aviation, and Lilium pretend to be fervent engineers, and pretend that the problem is harder than it actually would be in wartime research and development... then yeah, I can see them pocketing very relaxing 150k to 500k salaries coupled with intermitten stock pump and dumps.
It would be easy to pretend to do engineering to the public. The EVTOL industry really does need a few Joint Chiefs walking through it each month.
@@GingerWildcat All of the "problems" muskrat mentioned. Can be fixed relatively easy by engineers that actually know what they're doing.
It’ll only be the 1%, and only 20% of them would fly or have the balls, then only 10% of them actually will.. it’ll just be for fun, then you can only park certain places, not parking garages. I could see this maybe for hunting, or going to your lake house, cabin, cottage, or whatever, and you go alone or maybe one other person…
Same with cars and planes..snow heavy wind.
U grounded. Future helicopters...helicopters are like dinosaurs 🦕 over.
It is easy he wanna sell the electric Cars
Well Guess what, Doroni H1 proves all of his statements wrong and an average citizen can buy one with 20 hour flight course 😊
Electric evolt not that loud 😒
Jobs will be bigger than Tesla auto
You in camaro whats world coming to?
But how many people can afford to buy a helicopter?
Someone said this guy is a visionary???
Why is joby different than helecoter is total con these few guys are going to hide money from investors when go bk the whole thing silly
All sound like primitive problems aerospace industry has been dealing with for over a century. I just don’t think Elon is interested in solving those problems. Space and 2D are just that much more deterministic so I get it, he is a shrewd business man first and a disruptive engineer after.
No. They are coming.
anyone noticed the clown face?
Totally agree! Not to mention all the possible accidents. Bad idea
Do you people know why Elon is desperate to get to Mars? As much as I hate to say it, and as much as I feel that mostly criticism is what I will hear as a result.... he realizes that it is obvious. The powers that be... intend to bring about ww3. Kinda like the fallout game. For instance, the usa spends most of its defense budget on maintaining it's still growing nuclear arsenal. There are much cheaper and easier ways to make power than nuclear power plants .So why use them? You need them to make nukes.Nukes apparently don't leave the residual radiation as claimed, if detonated at the right altitude, but are still very lethal. Look to Japan as proof of this. Hiroshima has been occupied since right after the explosion, but no one saying keep away from there due to radiation! And then there was the Georgia guidestones, and times , recently that people likes Gates and Harris have made comments about needing to reduce the population. Thats why Elon is talking about protecting/ saving humanity by making it multi planetary. Decide for yourselves, if you think what I have said holds water or not.
*That’s my man!!!!* ❤️❤️❤️❤️🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
Elon is smart but he won't be right about everything.
of course he don't think it will succeed. He has cars to sell haha
Granted i disagree with him here in regards to what he is saying, 😅 you forgot he is the only person who has a team that can successfully land rocket boosters back on earth. 😅😅😅 @@floydb9100
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