yeah,”bizzare” , but it was “inspired” by countless ancient depictions of god predating christianity all over the world when supposedly there was no contact between the countries 🤣
It wasn’t just an imagination. It was a educational tool. Did you even pay attention to what you just watched? Or you just looking at the pictures and not listening? Lol pay attention
The trinity is not confusing, matter of fact, it's kinda like GTA5. Michael, Franklin and Trevor, 3 individuals in game but ultimately they are the same person, the player.
Brilliant comparison. I’ve managed to make comparisons before but many Christians don’t like when I make sense of it, like it’s a “mystery” and they want it to remain so. I learned and understood more about Christianity after I left it. I’ve my own belief system now but there’s still many elements that still make sense to me, same with buddhism.
'3 individuals in game but ultimately they are the same person, the player.' That seems to be modalism and NOT the trinity. Modalism is defined as a heretical doctrine by most christians.
There's one in a church's glass in La Paz, Bolivia. That's why it didn't seem odd to me, it made sense like you said. I'll look for a picture. Thank you for sharing your work
I was reading once that during the Spanish conquest many churches along Latin America have this representation, in Mexico they were used to explain the holy trinity to the new Christians.
----------------------- *Jesus Denies Being God* | Read ⬇️ ----------------------- "My Father is greater than me." [John 14:28] “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God.” [John 20:17] “Jesus said: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” [Mark 12:29] “Jesus, Fell with his face to the ground and Prayed.” [Matthew 26:39] “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who has sent me." [John 5:30] “The crowd answered, This is Jesus, the Prophet.” [Matthew 21:10-11] --------------------- *The Coming Of Prophet Muhammed In Bible* --------------------- “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come, He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” [John 16:12-14] --------------------- *Allah Clears About Jesus* --------------------- [Quran:- 5:72]:- “Jesus has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." [Quran:- 19:30]:- “Jesus has said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.” [Quran:- 4:171]:- “Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: --------------------- Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus, We Muslims 100% Believes in Jesus No Muslim is a Muslim if he doesn’t Believes in Jesus, Jesus himself Never said “Im God” also Never he said anyone to “Worship Me” Jesus Was Just A Prophet And Messenger Of Allah Only To Guide The People Of Israel, (COME TO ISLAM = COME TO JESUS) --------------------- ⚠️ WARNING ⚠️ [Quran:- 3:85] :- “And whoever follows other than Islam as religion - never it will be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.” ---------------------
That's because Dante didn't pull these ideas out of a magic hat. The Divine Comedy is a compendium of pre-existing medieval myths and iconography. Christianity wasn't influenced by Dante's inferno as much as it was influenced by the society it developed into.
When St.Patrick came to Ireland, he used a shamrock to describe the trinity to the pagan Irish. Three separate leaves that together form a single shamrock, I'm surprised similar ways of teaching Christianity weren't used elsewhere.
The Celts already had a history of many triune deities as with some Gallic or Romano-Gallic gods shown; as Lugh or Lugus , mentioned. Someone mentioned already the Keltoi or Galli saw the head as a seat of the soul. Patrick might have been a Celtic him self , if from Britannia .
A lot of people are super strict about how we talk about the Trinity, they would claim that is Partialism. I tried to explain It with H2O, water vapor, liquid water, and ice, and got accused of Modalisn. I'm not so strict and I am a Trinitarian Christian, but a lot of people are extremely strict about making sure you get the exactly correct doctrines.
@@luumi2238 A Catholic school from the Philippines. Though that wasn't part of any lesson or whatever. My classmate just liked collecting odd religious imagery.
@@philtkaswahl2124 I'm 2 years late to this, but I'm glad to see fellow Filipinos following this channel. What happened to Hochelaga, though? I really miss his vids.
Oh, I was so excited when you mentioned Dante's Inferno, even for a minute! If you made a video trilogy on the Divine Comedy, that would be AMAZING. Your voice and the vibes of your channel in general would fit that so well! And if you haven't read it before, I personally highly suggest John Ciardi's translation.
@Uzair ibn Allah the attempt is unsuccessful. The artist has to be more imaginative than this solution. It looks interesting of course but it's not actually depicting the idea it's trying to illustrate.
@Uzair ibn Allah YOu're arguing with an imaginary figure. I never even came close to suggesting it's blasphemy, besides Jesus outright said he forgives blasphemy. It's just a bad illustrative idea, albeit rendered nicely. You don't understand the trinity if you think it's successful. I already said it looks cool... and it's obviously trippy but it misunderstands the trinity in a way that makes it kind of silly. I love it though. It would make a cool rock album cover.
I’ve looked at a ton of Christian art through the ages since I grew up Christian but am now secular and have retained a fascination with it, especially its creepier edges, but have never come across this motif. I guess the ban worked! Thanks for sharing!
@@andrewternet8370 my favorite is Dutch Renaissance. Painters like Bosch, Bruegel the Elder and Van Eyck. Van Eyck’s Crucifixion and Last Judgement is a good example. I’ve seen it at the Met and it’s full of intricate and gory details.
As a Christian and an artist I love this type of stuff. Whenever I visit a Church (specifically one with a lot of art) I love to trace their influences and meanings. As trying to grapple with the divine will always inspire the imagination. I feel when we're too rigid we strangle the creativity and make the faith in accessible. Love the Channel and this video KEEP IT UP!
It blows my mind that you're still a Christian after watching Hochelagas videos. These video's show the absurd, nonsensical man made stories that to me sound stranger than average fiction.
@@laus7080 I've always seen it like this, grasping the entire scope of the universe is hard for ancient people and even people today. Our ideas will change, people will change opinions will change, and we won't always be right but, I ground my faith in something deeper than what a TH-cam video could say. (Also these videos don't really debunk anything, just give context and modern scholarship) Be open to new ideas, love others and be curious, that's how my faith is manifested. Hope that clears things up a bit, obviously I can't "convert or convince" anyone of everything I believe in a TH-cam comment, but just know the simple act of admiring research and anthropology doesn't eliminate faith. If anything it strengthens it. Thanks for the comment. :-)
I was wondering where the idea of depicting a three-faced devil came from, now I know! (And the three faces of his are red, black, and yellow, they represent hatred, ignorance and impotence I think.)
The Celts believed that your soul was in your head so the gods are depicted with multiple heads and in war someone’s head was a war prize because of this reason
I'm currently doing a module called Magic and Science in Mediaeval Writings, and your content covering animals made my reading for the class on bestiaries much more enjoyable! This week we're studying lapidaries - it would be wonderful to hear your take on the perception of stones as animate 😃
@@whyamilikethis1998 That sounds very fascinating, indeed! Last year, I had the privilege of taking a class on magic and medicine in antiquity. While tremendously inspirational, it proved both formative and integral to my endeavors as both a writer and an anthropologist. There's a lot of semiotic intrigue to consider across cultures through time and space.
Strangely similar to the three heads of Lord Bhrahma, a god in Hindu Mythology. Lord Brahma has 4 heads though, out of which, three represent the 3 states of consciousness - waking, dreaming and deep sleep of all living beings. The fourth head represents the Super conscious state, which is the Brahman. Since, He is the creator of everything, He has multiple heads.
CHRIST is also similar to name KRISNA ( the supreme god) of Hindu . The holy Trinity is a Copy of TRIDEV , Vishnu the father supreme god( CHRIST) , bhrama who came from Vishnu ( hence son ) and SHIVA who is the formless supreme god ( the holy spirit)
I love it when people talk about and analyze early christian art. I feel like it opens a great discussion not just art-wise but in terms of religion, the human condition, and our own existentialism. If this is gonna be a new series, I'm all in and all ears
Bro that was AMAZING!!! I’m so pumped I can’t wait for more iterations of Strange Christian Art, I expect it will be some of your most watched videos! Ive been wondering about three headed Jesus for years, figured I knew the reason but it was astonishingly elucidating to learn the rest of them!
Also orthodox icons often represented sacred subjects with a warped perspective: it was said that they were "not painted by the hand of the man", and the icon was considered a manifestation of God, a holy object (summing it up a lot).
I was surprised to find out that you’re a secular person seeing as you make all of these beautiful presentations on the rather niche aspects of the histories of world religions, as a catholic I think you have done a wonderful job of portraying the subjects in your videos
@@engineeredtruths8935 This channel is more like dissecting the idea of religion than mocking it. You probably just came here on this channel just for clout.
@@Mindmartyr not so much abandon it. I'm still a creationist at the heart of things I think, but I disagree at how churches of many faiths and systems seem to want to abuse what authority they give themselves. Ultimately the universe and existence themselves are mysteries and we're still trying to figure out the How of it all; whether it be energy borne of an infinitely dense singularity congealing into physical matter that by chance and infinite attempts goes from inorganic to organic or that same primordial energy being shaped by an aware deity, I have no strong opinions on.
@@Lyander25 I think when you look at the universal constants & the behavior of matter & it’s symbiotic relationship with the laws of physics & all the factors that are codependent on one another to exist it becomes pretty clear that it has to be by design. The universe is like the most complicated computer program of all time. It’s like looking at a video game & saying “we don’t really know how this came into existence yet, it’s a mystery” That’s REALLY ignorant in my opinion. & as far as the church abusing it’s authority although that has happened throughout history It’s completely blown out of proportion by pop culture in the modern era & even if it is happening on a large scale Jesus warned against it so you can’t use the sinful acts of men masquerading themselves as church authorities to denote the words of Christ. “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's. clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
To give a true and accurate account of that would require going into some very taboo subjects. Sadly the truth that Jesus tried to make known is all but forgotten and not to mention illegal in these godless times.
this would be a very difficult topic such as what differentiates the Islamic God to the Judaic God? Can the Christian God be considered the same as those of the Islamic and Judaic God? etc.
@@user-rg2hk9uz9u There's two proofs that Islam, Judaism and Christianity was created by the same Abrahamic God: *Archangel Gabriel was a well know believed Angel by Islam. And God also created Gabriel. *Jesus himself was a Jewish before he become his own religion
@@stalloneandrew9961 i don't deny that our religions come from the same source however, the trouble lies on the perception of our co-abrahamics and their stance on eachothers beliefs on God.
I really like your approach to this topic. Your descriptions of those artworks doesn't seem particularly judgemental or demeaning, but is descriptive and dives into the mindset of the artist. The storytelling of the video is truly top-notch.
Hi! I don´t think you will see this but as an art history student , you are such an inspiration for me. Thank you for showing us this type of things that we are rarely teached
☘️ St paddy's themed comment ! When christianizing Ireland st patrick used the clover as a symbol to visualize 3 distinct parts of the whole god. Funny you uploaded this around this time!
So many Hindu deities have multi-headed versions illustrated in this way, it didn't seem odd to me at all. Before the explanation, I thought it could have been an Indian depiction of Jesus. It would be interesting if, in future 'industry standard', one of the Trinity becomes illustrated as female. Perhaps 'God the Mother'?
In Filipino folk Christianity, God is in fact divided into 5 (tying with some esoteric links with the petals of the Sampaguita/Arabian Jasmine): God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, and a seemingly higher-level dyad called the Infinite God and Goddess. They called it the Five Vowels/Voices (Cinco Vocales) and are common visual motifs in metal amulets.
God the mother to the extent to represent like the highest female form is basically taken over by Mary. God the mother as part of the God head is a bit iffy and mostly heretical. Jesus can be given more feminine aspects in his role as the eternal logos and to the textent that God's wisdom in proverbs is described in feminine terms and to some extent as well a similar thing can be done with the holy spirit. But those would the formulations that would probably be heretical outside of a non-mystical context cuz Jesus is to be depicted more in the form he incarnated on Earth in (the male son) and the holy spirit similarly in scripture is only described in very non-human and non-gendered terms. So without any scripture or early church basis and the fear that it would be shifting church doctrine just to satisfy people, it will be deemed heretical or close to heretical and dropped.
Christian art is adapted from Greek allegorical art and is not supposed to represent the entirety of the ineffable God of scripture. The Trinity represents the way we can relate to God in the New Testament. Jesus is the Son, he told us to pray to our Father in heaven, and there are accounts of the Holy Spirit as the presence of God among us, seen as a descending dove or as the wind or flames of Pentecost. These ideas of how we can relate to God were picked up by artists who knew they were making allegorical images which only showed an aspect or point of view on the subject. Edit- there is no such thing as an industry standard iconography, Christian denominations have debated what, if any, kind of images were to be used from the very beginning until today.
Very interesting, and well done. I'm not sure if this is on your to-do list of "Strange Christian Art", but while visiting Jerusalem years ago, my wife and I found a church in the Armenian Quarter where they had a painting (icon) of Mary with baby Jesus, yet Jesus had an adult head. The lady at the church giving us a tour said that "many miracles, such as curing cancer" had occurred there, via the icon (according to the lady, this was a very special and rare painting). I just did a search on "baby jesus with adult head" and it appears that it was somewhat common for a while.
I've seen similar images from art in Tool albums. They'll depict beings with one head and three faces in a psychedelic realm. If I'm remembering correctly the art was inspired by a band member trying DMT
Depicting the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit together seems more theologically accurate and also more sensible than depicting three Fathers together or one Son with three faces. The latter two versions are like hilarious parodies.
This makes me think of how when you mirror paintings of da Vinci you will get goat heads and other weird things. Maybe a video about that would be interresting too.
One of the ways to imagine the Holy Trinity which I find fascinating is saying that God is one person at three different points in time and space. Kinda as if he was a "four-dimensional" being. Hard to say what, when and where he is exactly, but, let's say, the Father is the Divine Creator in the skies, the Son is Jesus on earth and the Holy Spirit is the light inside of each and every human soul. They are different, yet they are all God. Please let me know if someone came up with something similar already and how it's called
are you psychic or something i literally just saw this image... (i guessed that it had to do with the trinity but i also thought photoshop was very likely.) beautiful video once again!!
It’s ironic to me how Pope Whomever banned the depiction due to how pagan it looks given how Catholicism is a pretty firm mix of the two religions. Not just in the holiday traditions that were integrated over the centuries but the bare bones aspects of our practice. The depiction makes perfect sense to me in both a logical and spiritual way. I’m genuinely upset it’s not used in churches. It could also help kids understand how the hell the trinity works much easier.
Best video yet. I dreamt of a Janus figure the night this was released (though I'm seeing it the day after) so it truly appears to have, "Burst upon the scene". Many thanks.
4:22 Fact check: Brahma has 4 heads actually. One is behind him so you can't see it. To make it even more bizarre he initially had five heads then the one facing above was cut off by Shiva, another God in the Hindu Holy Trinity.
Love your videos! I also have a question. Do you happen to know the earliest mentions of any God or Gods in human history? I've been on an information dig on this lately, but it's been surprisingly hard to find a conclusive answer to this question. Wikipedia has articles about early burial rituals but doesn't mention a first depiction of a God specifically. It kinda goes from animal carvings on hunting altars and hunting temples to depictions of human fertility statues to "oh yeah Egyptian Gods were around by this time for centuries" I did manage to find out the first mention of the Jewish god yahweh aka YHWH but there were so many Gods before that time, like the Egyptians and God knows what else
I know this wasn’t directed at the viewers but i believe it is prehistoric times were you would find the earliest depiction of worship I might be wrong though.
@@Hecateofcrossroads That'd be cool, I can't really find a lot about it tho (ofcourse theres no explaining scriptures from that era, complicating thigs xD)
it's kinda sad that somewhat the three headed Jesus art was banned because of Dante Inferno which is probably just a "canonized" Christianity fanfic. And somewhat the fact the three headed thing that implying to be one of God's "appearance" somewhat presenting the three religions that God himself just created which is Judaism, Christianity and Islamic
Your videos are really great. When the video was ending, it didn't seem that video was as long as it was. I really hope you do more strange Christian art videos.
It is not such a complicated concept. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three essences that make up God, but individually they do not make up the whole of God. If I must make a comparison, imagine those mecha robots that work individually but together they make up a single being (?) I love the video! Paintings and the art of before its such an amazing topic ❤️
It was probably made complicated through the vast infusion of Greek philosophy And as one of my wise professors once said: "The Greeks are always trying to make our lives more complicated!"
We also have singular bodies which are made of many easily differentiable elements which are still part of one entity. It would be crazy to say that your right and left hands are the same object just because they are both part of the same being.
It’s actually not that simple. For example, what you just said, saying they are three essences, would be considered heretical tritheism. God is three persons of one essence.
@@GillfigGarstang I know but you are talking about individual parts, the hands, the legs, etc. I spoke of 'essences' that can work individually but together form a single being, God. That's why I gave the example of the mechs haha
@@ModernEphemera Yes, they are three persons within the unity of God. All three share the same attributes and the same nature; therefore, these three constitute the one God. But I spoke of 'essences' because they are the set of permanent and invariable characteristics that determine a being or a thing and without which it would not be what it is. And in the Trinity each 'person' represents something, which makes up the essence of God.
I remember hearing a story about an old lady who died and got rejected from heaven because she had a house full of holy trinkets and pictures and crosses and she praised the objects as if God was only associated with these pictures and objects. She thought that was her ticket to heaven.... It wasn't. I believe Im shown what God really is and what I can really do while I'm asleep, my dreams are more like visions, I remember them all and the fight for survival that's going on in my mind. Nothing is as it seems.
How is it disturbing or weird? Makes a lot of sense actually since he's basically God. Not in the sense of the trinity though, as the bible doesn't support the idea of the trinity, but as the godhead.
I think an explanation of why its a useful teaching tool can be insightful: When you have three faces you can point and say the left face is distinct from the right faces. they are two separate, distinct aspects. But, they are a part of the same being. Just as how your left arm is not your spleen, but they are both “you”.
I'm excited for this series! If I could mention another piece of "strange Christian art", it's Salvador Dali's "Vision of Hell" from 1962. Granted it's not from the Renaissance era, but I remember seeing that painting at the Blue Army Shrine of Our Lady of Fatima when I was little. It always fascinated me, but had no idea it was attributed to Dali himself! It's a surreal depiction of what hell looks like, according to the vision Mary told the three children in Fatima. There's even an article on the shrine's website - would be interesting to see a video about it!
I love it when hochelaga covers medieval Christianity. So much beautiful and bizarre art came from that time
yeah,”bizzare” , but it was “inspired” by countless ancient depictions of god predating christianity all over the world when supposedly there was no contact between the countries 🤣
@@AtTheDitch no, thats the depiction of the Trinity.
@@AtTheDitch what god then? Thats the holy trinity.
@@deokspatch8458 Brahma was a depiction of the trinity 4000 years before Christ? Are you dense?
@@AtTheDitch search the art of the trinity
Medieval artists had such bizarre imaginations. Goose trees and a three headed Jesus isn't something you see that often
What about the British painting with a bunch of knights fighting a rabbit and snails?
They were on some good shrooms
@@TheyCallMeDio i love this one lmaoo
It wasn’t just an imagination. It was a educational tool. Did you even pay attention to what you just watched? Or you just looking at the pictures and not listening? Lol pay attention
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The trinity is not confusing, matter of fact, it's kinda like GTA5.
Michael, Franklin and Trevor, 3 individuals in game but ultimately they are the same person, the player.
Genius idea
Gta 5 has A GOD REFRENCE IN IT (NOT CLICKBAIT) GONE WRONG!!!
Brilliant comparison.
I’ve managed to make comparisons before but many Christians don’t like when I make sense of it, like it’s a “mystery” and they want it to remain so. I learned and understood more about Christianity after I left it. I’ve my own belief system now but there’s still many elements that still make sense to me, same with buddhism.
Cool
'3 individuals in game but ultimately they are the same person, the player.'
That seems to be modalism and NOT the trinity. Modalism is defined as a heretical doctrine by most christians.
There's one in a church's glass in La Paz, Bolivia. That's why it didn't seem odd to me, it made sense like you said. I'll look for a picture. Thank you for sharing your work
I was reading once that during the Spanish conquest many churches along Latin America have this representation, in Mexico they were used to explain the holy trinity to the new Christians.
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*Jesus Denies Being God* | Read ⬇️
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"My Father is greater than me." [John 14:28]
“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God.” [John 20:17]
“Jesus said: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” [Mark 12:29]
“Jesus, Fell with his face to the ground and Prayed.” [Matthew 26:39]
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who has sent me." [John 5:30]
“The crowd answered, This is Jesus, the Prophet.” [Matthew 21:10-11]
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*The Coming Of Prophet Muhammed In Bible*
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“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come, He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” [John 16:12-14]
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*Allah Clears About Jesus*
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[Quran:- 5:72]:-
“Jesus has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord."
[Quran:- 19:30]:-
“Jesus has said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.”
[Quran:- 4:171]:-
“Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah:
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Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus,
We Muslims 100% Believes in Jesus
No Muslim is a Muslim if he doesn’t Believes in Jesus,
Jesus himself Never said “Im God” also Never he said anyone to “Worship Me”
Jesus Was Just A Prophet And Messenger Of Allah Only To Guide The People Of Israel,
(COME TO ISLAM = COME TO JESUS)
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⚠️ WARNING ⚠️
[Quran:- 3:85] :-
“And whoever follows other than Islam as religion - never it will be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.”
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Are you Bolivian?
@@hunjuli5245 yes
@@ceciliallanos5713 Nice, I'm Brazilian. What time is in Bolivia?
Love how a fanfic self-insert (Dante's Inferno) managed to influence a religion.
That's because Dante didn't pull these ideas out of a magic hat.
The Divine Comedy is a compendium of pre-existing medieval myths and iconography. Christianity wasn't influenced by Dante's inferno as much as it was influenced by the society it developed into.
I bet Beatrice was hot.
If you read the actual books, you'd see that it's the other way around
@@bendover9620, will you read them to me?
@@turdferguson2982 uwu*
When St.Patrick came to Ireland, he used a shamrock to describe the trinity to the pagan Irish. Three separate leaves that together form a single shamrock, I'm surprised similar ways of teaching Christianity weren't used elsewhere.
The Celts already had a history of many triune deities as with some Gallic or Romano-Gallic gods shown; as Lugh or Lugus , mentioned. Someone mentioned already the Keltoi or Galli saw the head as a seat of the soul. Patrick might have been a Celtic him self , if from Britannia .
christianity was not taught but enforced, everywhere. The ethnic folk whom you call pagan suffered quite a lot from the judean cult.
@@longevitree Many of the Irish are from the wandering Hebrew tribes, and they certainly weren’t pagans.
A lot of people are super strict about how we talk about the Trinity, they would claim that is Partialism. I tried to explain It with H2O, water vapor, liquid water, and ice, and got accused of Modalisn.
I'm not so strict and I am a Trinitarian Christian, but a lot of people are extremely strict about making sure you get the exactly correct doctrines.
@@longevitree common pagan L
My favorite thing about your videos is your neutral, non-religious attitude, it makes everything presented so much more interesting!
And also not anti-religious. Purely neutral standpoint to inform people :)
And the slower pace of the pictures and voice enhance it all.
I remember my classmate having a collection of those three-faced Jesus depictions. Freaked me the hell out as a kid.
What kind of school did you attend?
@@luumi2238 A Catholic school from the Philippines. Though that wasn't part of any lesson or whatever. My classmate just liked collecting odd religious imagery.
@@philtkaswahl2124 So you are a Filipino? Nice to meet u
@@RainierFajardoProduction Nice to meet you too
@@philtkaswahl2124 I'm 2 years late to this, but I'm glad to see fellow Filipinos following this channel. What happened to Hochelaga, though? I really miss his vids.
Oh, I was so excited when you mentioned Dante's Inferno, even for a minute! If you made a video trilogy on the Divine Comedy, that would be AMAZING. Your voice and the vibes of your channel in general would fit that so well! And if you haven't read it before, I personally highly suggest John Ciardi's translation.
YEEEES that sounds like a great idea
Agreed :)
however, Divine Comedy was probably more of a "canonized" fanfic
@@stalloneandrew9961 Man, so many people get so angry over that joke. It's all the pretentious types too. Like, have fun and make jokes!
Dude i'mma nut if he ever has an entire video about something regarding Dante's Inferno
I honestly think this makes perfect sense and is a really clever way to depict the identity of the Trinity, as unsettling as it can be
no because the trinity isn’t 3 jesus
The Holy Spirit and the Father don't have a material form. They are more mysterious. Just showing Jesus is fine.
@Uzair ibn Allah There is no one single point to art.
@Uzair ibn Allah the attempt is unsuccessful. The artist has to be more imaginative than this solution. It looks interesting of course but it's not actually depicting the idea it's trying to illustrate.
@Uzair ibn Allah YOu're arguing with an imaginary figure. I never even came close to suggesting it's blasphemy, besides Jesus outright said he forgives blasphemy. It's just a bad illustrative idea, albeit rendered nicely. You don't understand the trinity if you think it's successful. I already said it looks cool... and it's obviously trippy but it misunderstands the trinity in a way that makes it kind of silly. I love it though. It would make a cool rock album cover.
I’ve looked at a ton of Christian art through the ages since I grew up Christian but am now secular and have retained a fascination with it, especially its creepier edges, but have never come across this motif. I guess the ban worked! Thanks for sharing!
Which iconographic tradition do you like the most? I'm personally in love with the Neo-Coptic style, even if it's "new".
@@andrewternet8370 my favorite is Dutch Renaissance. Painters like Bosch, Bruegel the Elder and Van Eyck. Van Eyck’s Crucifixion and Last Judgement is a good example. I’ve seen it at the Met and it’s full of intricate and gory details.
Sort of the same with me I’m a atheist but find religious beliefs fascinating especially pagan ones
@@andrewternet8370 I always love the ranaissance along with Greek icons. Fascinating!!!
I recommend reading Saint Augustine and Etienne Gilson.
As a Christian and an artist I love this type of stuff. Whenever I visit a Church (specifically one with a lot of art) I love to trace their influences and meanings. As trying to grapple with the divine will always inspire the imagination. I feel when we're too rigid we strangle the creativity and make the faith in accessible.
Love the Channel and this video KEEP IT UP!
It blows my mind that you're still a Christian after watching Hochelagas videos. These video's show the absurd, nonsensical man made stories that to me sound stranger than average fiction.
@@laus7080 I've always seen it like this, grasping the entire scope of the universe is hard for ancient people and even people today. Our ideas will change, people will change opinions will change, and we won't always be right but, I ground my faith in something deeper than what a TH-cam video could say. (Also these videos don't really debunk anything, just give context and modern scholarship)
Be open to new ideas, love others and be curious, that's how my faith is manifested. Hope that clears things up a bit, obviously I can't "convert or convince" anyone of everything I believe in a TH-cam comment, but just know the simple act of admiring research and anthropology doesn't eliminate faith. If anything it strengthens it. Thanks for the comment. :-)
@@laus7080 It blows my mind how you can pull a message of hostility from this informative and entertaining video.
@@laus7080 Certified Reddit moment
@@laus7080 r/whoosh
I was wondering where the idea of depicting a three-faced devil came from, now I know! (And the three faces of his are red, black, and yellow, they represent hatred, ignorance and impotence I think.)
Sounds like that could’ve been used as a justification for racism
@@shizuwolf it probably was…
@@jacobshore5115 or the 3 races.
Ah yes, the three things Satan is known for: His hated, his ignorance, and his inability to reach orgasm.
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The three faces are said to depict three different races, whites, blacks and middle eastern.
i don't understand why nobody said anything about the video quality... it's awesome, the editing is phenomenal
The Celts believed that your soul was in your head so the gods are depicted with multiple heads and in war someone’s head was a war prize because of this reason
Having played Elden Ring recently, the two headed masks from Raya Lucaria seem to have taken inspiration from this. Great video.
I'm currently doing a module called Magic and Science in Mediaeval Writings, and your content covering animals made my reading for the class on bestiaries much more enjoyable! This week we're studying lapidaries - it would be wonderful to hear your take on the perception of stones as animate 😃
whERE ARE YOU TAKING THOSE CLASSES
I wonder if this is what inspired Michael Kirkbrides "Many headed Talos" for the Elder Scrolls.
@@MoonyInspired my university's English dept is running it as part of the MA 🤓 I'm really enjoying it 😁
@@whyamilikethis1998 That sounds very fascinating, indeed! Last year, I had the privilege of taking a class on magic and medicine in antiquity. While tremendously inspirational, it proved both formative and integral to my endeavors as both a writer and an anthropologist. There's a lot of semiotic intrigue to consider across cultures through time and space.
What is the difference between ‘Medieval’ and ‘Mediaeval’?
Strangely similar to the three heads of Lord Bhrahma, a god in Hindu Mythology. Lord Brahma has 4 heads though, out of which, three represent the 3 states of consciousness - waking, dreaming and deep sleep of all living beings. The fourth head represents the Super conscious state, which is the Brahman. Since, He is the creator of everything, He has multiple heads.
any videos i can watch
CHRIST is also similar to name KRISNA ( the supreme god) of Hindu . The holy Trinity is a Copy of TRIDEV , Vishnu the father supreme god( CHRIST) , bhrama who came from Vishnu ( hence son ) and SHIVA who is the formless supreme god ( the holy spirit)
I love it when people talk about and analyze early christian art. I feel like it opens a great discussion not just art-wise but in terms of religion, the human condition, and our own existentialism. If this is gonna be a new series, I'm all in and all ears
I think of the trinity this way : Water. Water can be liquid, solid, or gas. All three are water, but solid is not liquid is not gas is not solid.
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Bro that was AMAZING!!! I’m so pumped I can’t wait for more iterations of Strange Christian Art, I expect it will be some of your most watched videos!
Ive been wondering about three headed Jesus for years, figured I knew the reason but it was astonishingly elucidating to learn the rest of them!
Also orthodox icons often represented sacred subjects with a warped perspective: it was said that they were "not painted by the hand of the man", and the icon was considered a manifestation of God, a holy object (summing it up a lot).
This series on strange Christian art is something I would look forward to in the coming days! Thanks for this!
I was surprised to find out that you’re a secular person seeing as you make all of these beautiful presentations on the rather niche aspects of the histories of world religions, as a catholic I think you have done a wonderful job of portraying the subjects in your videos
Ave Christus Rex
Top-tier subject. God love you Hochelaga
This guy is not christian. He is actually mocking Christianity and spreads theories against Christianity.
@@engineeredtruths8935 This channel is more like dissecting the idea of religion than mocking it. You probably just came here on this channel just for clout.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 i came here just for clout you got me man...
@@engineeredtruths8935 Well, I wouldn't be surprised.
They’re letting the creator of the video know he can always come back home. Calm down.
I was raised Catholic but had not known this was a thing. Thank you as always for the novel topics and exceptional presentation!
Same thing with me!
You’re still Catholic right?
at what point did you decide to abandon the faith? You think... uh... the universe just farted itself into existence on accident?
@@Mindmartyr not so much abandon it. I'm still a creationist at the heart of things I think, but I disagree at how churches of many faiths and systems seem to want to abuse what authority they give themselves. Ultimately the universe and existence themselves are mysteries and we're still trying to figure out the How of it all; whether it be energy borne of an infinitely dense singularity congealing into physical matter that by chance and infinite attempts goes from inorganic to organic or that same primordial energy being shaped by an aware deity, I have no strong opinions on.
@@Lyander25 I think when you look at the universal constants & the behavior of matter & it’s symbiotic relationship with the laws of physics & all the factors that are codependent on one another to exist it becomes pretty clear that it has to be by design. The universe is like the most complicated computer program of all time. It’s like looking at a video game & saying “we don’t really know how this came into existence yet, it’s a mystery” That’s REALLY ignorant in my opinion. & as far as the church abusing it’s authority although that has happened throughout history It’s completely blown out of proportion by pop culture in the modern era & even if it is happening on a large scale Jesus warned against it so you can’t use the sinful acts of men masquerading themselves as church authorities to denote the words of Christ. “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's. clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
I can't believe this is the first time I've ever seen a three-headed Jesus painting. And there's a bunch of them. Mind. Blown.
Awesome video! A cool video idea could be about “Abrahamic God” and the relationship in Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.
this is what I'm interests the most
To give a true and accurate account of that would require going into some very taboo subjects. Sadly the truth that Jesus tried to make known is all but forgotten and not to mention illegal in these godless times.
this would be a very difficult topic
such as what differentiates the Islamic God to the Judaic God?
Can the Christian God be considered the same as those of the Islamic and Judaic God? etc.
@@user-rg2hk9uz9u There's two proofs that Islam, Judaism and Christianity was created by the same Abrahamic God:
*Archangel Gabriel was a well know believed Angel by Islam. And God also created Gabriel.
*Jesus himself was a Jewish before he become his own religion
@@stalloneandrew9961 i don't deny that our religions come from the same source
however, the trouble lies on the perception of our co-abrahamics and their stance on eachothers beliefs on God.
Well I thought biblically accurate paintings of angels were disturbing but this is a whole new level of strangeness.
Interesting. I've never seen any of those three-headed Jesus paintings before. It certainly is a creative way to depict the holy trinity.
Yes, this is going to be a series, excited to see more of this type of content.
I first saw one of these depictions just a few years ago and found it absolutely fascinating. Thank you for covering this interesting topic.
I just had explained this 3 headed figure to one of juniors in college.. I can't thank you enough... This channel is golden..
Have you thought about doing one on Nostradamus and all his predictions?
Keep up the great work, love the videos!!
Super fascinating! I’ve never seen a three-headed depiction of the holy trinity before.
You and Mr.Mythos are my favourite channels
I really like your approach to this topic. Your descriptions of those artworks doesn't seem particularly judgemental or demeaning, but is descriptive and dives into the mindset of the artist.
The storytelling of the video is truly top-notch.
Hi! I don´t think you will see this but as an art history student , you are such an inspiration for me. Thank you for showing us this type of things that we are rarely teached
This channel is pure gold. One of my favorites!
Three Headed Jesus? You had me at hello.
☘️ St paddy's themed comment !
When christianizing Ireland st patrick used the clover as a symbol to visualize 3 distinct parts of the whole god. Funny you uploaded this around this time!
yes the Shamrock , smaller than 'clover'
The fact you didn't once call him Threesus makes me unreasonably upset.
Yo, this video was lit. Weird, mid evil European art is such a fascinating subject.
So many Hindu deities have multi-headed versions illustrated in this way, it didn't seem odd to me at all. Before the explanation, I thought it could have been an Indian depiction of Jesus. It would be interesting if, in future 'industry standard', one of the Trinity becomes illustrated as female. Perhaps 'God the Mother'?
God is portrayed as male because how we imagine him to look like is based on the pagan skyfather archetype like Zeus.
In Filipino folk Christianity, God is in fact divided into 5 (tying with some esoteric links with the petals of the Sampaguita/Arabian Jasmine): God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, and a seemingly higher-level dyad called the Infinite God and Goddess.
They called it the Five Vowels/Voices (Cinco Vocales) and are common visual motifs in metal amulets.
God the mother to the extent to represent like the highest female form is basically taken over by Mary.
God the mother as part of the God head is a bit iffy and mostly heretical. Jesus can be given more feminine aspects in his role as the eternal logos and to the textent that God's wisdom in proverbs is described in feminine terms and to some extent as well a similar thing can be done with the holy spirit.
But those would the formulations that would probably be heretical outside of a non-mystical context cuz Jesus is to be depicted more in the form he incarnated on Earth in (the male son) and the holy spirit similarly in scripture is only described in very non-human and non-gendered terms.
So without any scripture or early church basis and the fear that it would be shifting church doctrine just to satisfy people, it will be deemed heretical or close to heretical and dropped.
@@jaymandal5256 So you say the depiction has no basis on Scripture, got it
Christian art is adapted from Greek allegorical art and is not supposed to represent the entirety of the ineffable God of scripture. The Trinity represents the way we can relate to God in the New Testament. Jesus is the Son, he told us to pray to our Father in heaven, and there are accounts of the Holy Spirit as the presence of God among us, seen as a descending dove or as the wind or flames of Pentecost. These ideas of how we can relate to God were picked up by artists who knew they were making allegorical images which only showed an aspect or point of view on the subject.
Edit- there is no such thing as an industry standard iconography, Christian denominations have debated what, if any, kind of images were to be used from the very beginning until today.
yessss please continue this series Hochelaga, you are god sent
Hey can you please make a video on the time before the flood and noah? Like the giants and other stuff.
Can't wait for more Strange Christian Art episodes! You've quickly become one of my favourite subscriptions! Well done :)
Very interesting, and well done. I'm not sure if this is on your to-do list of "Strange Christian Art", but while visiting Jerusalem years ago, my wife and I found a church in the Armenian Quarter where they had a painting (icon) of Mary with baby Jesus, yet Jesus had an adult head. The lady at the church giving us a tour said that "many miracles, such as curing cancer" had occurred there, via the icon (according to the lady, this was a very special and rare painting). I just did a search on "baby jesus with adult head" and it appears that it was somewhat common for a while.
The three faces instantly brought Hecate to my mind.
I've seen similar images from art in Tool albums. They'll depict beings with one head and three faces in a psychedelic realm. If I'm remembering correctly the art was inspired by a band member trying DMT
The Tool album covers also contain a lot of trypophobic eyes covering the body, which is also very angelic in the Christian sense.
The art was an Alex Grey painting called Net of Being. It was not made by the members of Tool. Alex Grey also provided the artwork for Lateralus
I witnessed a 3 headed entity from a DMT plant. It told me," I was there since the beginning".
@@marl3ymarl3y86 Not Christian, a reference from prophets, Old Testament. The Christian texts were in Greek, Angel was the word for messenger.
This is by far my favorite TH-camr
I'm supposed to be studying for a Physics test, but here I am
Fascinating! Easily my favourite TH-camr currently! Thank you
Depicting the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit together seems more theologically accurate and also more sensible than depicting three Fathers together or one Son with three faces. The latter two versions are like hilarious parodies.
Surprised to see no Tool or 10000 days reference in the comments xD. Great video btw!
This makes me think of how when you mirror paintings of da Vinci you will get goat heads and other weird things. Maybe a video about that would be interresting too.
Me: Browsing the recommended vids from TH-cam
TH-cam: Three Headed Jesus
Me: "Yes."
Great video! I've just recently stumbled upon those strange triple Jesus portraits and was wondering what they meant
I just ended listening to Cicada 3301 and find myself re-watching this videos.
Thanks, Tommy. Keep it up
The title alone is enough to like
One of the ways to imagine the Holy Trinity which I find fascinating is saying that God is one person at three different points in time and space. Kinda as if he was a "four-dimensional" being. Hard to say what, when and where he is exactly, but, let's say, the Father is the Divine Creator in the skies, the Son is Jesus on earth and the Holy Spirit is the light inside of each and every human soul. They are different, yet they are all God.
Please let me know if someone came up with something similar already and how it's called
Personally I love the symbolism. It’s a great explanation of the Holy Trinity that our Lord really is.
Me to .I'm a artist
Its always a good start to my day when hochelaga uploads.
I had never seen these types of paintings before today! Thanks for making a video on them.
Your youtube-channel is a oasis of wisdom and great subjects.
are you psychic or something i literally just saw this image...
(i guessed that it had to do with the trinity but i also thought photoshop was very likely.)
beautiful video once again!!
Came for the three-headed Jesus, stayed for the amazing content and production value of your vids! Instant subscriber. Much love Be kind 💕🐝💕
It’s ironic to me how Pope Whomever banned the depiction due to how pagan it looks given how Catholicism is a pretty firm mix of the two religions. Not just in the holiday traditions that were integrated over the centuries but the bare bones aspects of our practice.
The depiction makes perfect sense to me in both a logical and spiritual way. I’m genuinely upset it’s not used in churches. It could also help kids understand how the hell the trinity works much easier.
Easter is the celebration of ashtar the goddess of fertility that why catholic worship mary
The memes here and there give the video a great feeling. Not too much or often, but it makes the video not pretentious or preachy. Great work!
"The most depicted figure in art is Jesus"
Buddha: "hold my begging bowl"
This channel deserves way more subscribers ngl
4:27 Correction, Brahma didn't have 3 head but 4 head, you couldn't see the fourth one because it is facing back
Looking forward to this as a series! Great first video!
missed you hochelaga
Your videos are so fascinating and your voice matches them so well! I can't get enough. ♥️♥️
Culture and religion are so interesting! Please keep up the good work!
Best video yet. I dreamt of a Janus figure the night this was released (though I'm seeing it the day after) so it truly appears to have, "Burst upon the scene".
Many thanks.
This is probably Christianity Version of Dattatreya.
Dattatreya is the Form where all members of Trinity Fuse Into One Person.
4:22 Fact check: Brahma has 4 heads actually. One is behind him so you can't see it. To make it even more bizarre he initially had five heads then the one facing above was cut off by Shiva, another God in the Hindu Holy Trinity.
Love your videos!
I also have a question. Do you happen to know the earliest mentions of any God or Gods in human history?
I've been on an information dig on this lately, but it's been surprisingly hard to find a conclusive answer to this question.
Wikipedia has articles about early burial rituals but doesn't mention a first depiction of a God specifically. It kinda goes from animal carvings on hunting altars and hunting temples to depictions of human fertility statues to "oh yeah Egyptian Gods were around by this time for centuries"
I did manage to find out the first mention of the Jewish god yahweh aka YHWH but there were so many Gods before that time, like the Egyptians and God knows what else
I know this wasn’t directed at the viewers but i believe it is prehistoric times were you would find the earliest depiction of worship I might be wrong though.
@@Hecateofcrossroads That'd be cool, I can't really find a lot about it tho (ofcourse theres no explaining scriptures from that era, complicating thigs xD)
Okay if this is a new series, I’m hooked!!!
2:50 JeJe and SusSus.
cant wait for more from this series!! im an artist, icons and manuscripts greatly inspire me, theres so much to learn from them
Why is this unlisted?
Don’t know
Great video! I'd love to see more in this series. It gives a great look back into the mindset of past humans
it's kinda sad that somewhat the three headed Jesus art was banned because of Dante Inferno which is probably just a "canonized" Christianity fanfic.
And somewhat the fact the three headed thing that implying to be one of God's "appearance" somewhat presenting the three religions that God himself just created which is Judaism, Christianity and Islamic
I mentioned this during my English class when we were talking about the importance of the arts
Images of Jesus like this is found a lot in Mexico and south east Asia especially in the Philippines
found these images in some Philippine church arts and idk, it gives me the chills
Your videos are really great. When the video was ending, it didn't seem that video was as long as it was. I really hope you do more strange Christian art videos.
It is not such a complicated concept. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three essences that make up God, but individually they do not make up the whole of God. If I must make a comparison, imagine those mecha robots that work individually but together they make up a single being (?)
I love the video! Paintings and the art of before its such an amazing topic ❤️
It was probably made complicated through the vast infusion of Greek philosophy
And as one of my wise professors once said:
"The Greeks are always trying to make our lives more complicated!"
We also have singular bodies which are made of many easily differentiable elements which are still part of one entity. It would be crazy to say that your right and left hands are the same object just because they are both part of the same being.
It’s actually not that simple. For example, what you just said, saying they are three essences, would be considered heretical tritheism. God is three persons of one essence.
@@GillfigGarstang I know but you are talking about individual parts, the hands, the legs, etc. I spoke of 'essences' that can work individually but together form a single being, God. That's why I gave the example of the mechs haha
@@ModernEphemera Yes, they are three persons within the unity of God. All three share the same attributes and the same nature; therefore, these three constitute the one God. But I spoke of 'essences' because they are the set of permanent and invariable characteristics that determine a being or a thing and without which it would not be what it is. And in the Trinity each 'person' represents something, which makes up the essence of God.
In for the next episode o Strange Christian Art
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I remember hearing a story about an old lady who died and got rejected from heaven because she had a house full of holy trinkets and pictures and crosses and she praised the objects as if God was only associated with these pictures and objects. She thought that was her ticket to heaven.... It wasn't. I believe Im shown what God really is and what I can really do while I'm asleep, my dreams are more like visions, I remember them all and the fight for survival that's going on in my mind. Nothing is as it seems.
I’m really Excited to see more of the series
I have never seen this three-headed jesus, thanks for the vid
Ouf... im really looking forward to this series! Great Video again, Thx.
How is it disturbing or weird? Makes a lot of sense actually since he's basically God. Not in the sense of the trinity though, as the bible doesn't support the idea of the trinity, but as the godhead.
I think an explanation of why its a useful teaching tool can be insightful:
When you have three faces you can point and say the left face is distinct from the right faces. they are two separate, distinct aspects. But, they are a part of the same being.
Just as how your left arm is not your spleen, but they are both “you”.
Three headed (or three faced) Jesus is straight out from the game Blasphemous.
Please do more of this subject! Super interesting.
I'm excited for this series! If I could mention another piece of "strange Christian art", it's Salvador Dali's "Vision of Hell" from 1962. Granted it's not from the Renaissance era, but I remember seeing that painting at the Blue Army Shrine of Our Lady of Fatima when I was little. It always fascinated me, but had no idea it was attributed to Dali himself! It's a surreal depiction of what hell looks like, according to the vision Mary told the three children in Fatima. There's even an article on the shrine's website - would be interesting to see a video about it!