It always amuses me about how between the othodox texts and apocrypha you basically have a fully fledged cinematic universe, complete with sequels, prequels, interquels, and multiple continuity snarls and retcons.
@@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 thats what is so fascinating it was all part of the lore back in those days. Many different "religions" had stories of a messiah, a sacrifice.
@@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 Islam uses Jesus commanding the palm tree & making birds from clay in the Qu'ran so, in a way it's already been done. Looks like the Council of Nicaea voted out some valid writings, as Pseudo-Matthew does confirm Isaiah.
@@deathbywords I just need some bandmates, I've been coming up with bandnames in the same way in the last couple years, mixing 2 words togheter since all the cool names have already been taken by a century of bands. :v
"If we're going to include apocryphal creatures, where's the kid dressed up like a dragon?" ...Looking back on my childhood, I would _absolutely_ be that kid provided the opportunity to do so.
I've got an image in my head now of a nativity play where the kids have to bring in their own costumes and the one playing the angel comes in with the flaming wheels of eyes.
It was a hochelaga Christmas… and all through the street Not a creature was stirring Not even the sheep And then came along The jolly old hoch Telling every boy and girl of Hieronymous Bosch
So... In my country, is a tradition to make a christmas manger in the houses or in the town blocks, so neighbours and familes can pray togheter and share food until 25 morning... I always noticed that a donkey and a bull figure are always put near Jesus crib, but we never questioned it nor really think about it. So for now on, i'll never see those animals again in the same way, and probably tell everyone about this. Greetings from Colombia
@@MrPrius-fy1sc then why did these peer review medical professionals prevent anyone suing pharmecutical companies producing these vaccines? If its so safe then why safeguard?
this goes SO WELL with the last Wendigoon video, like this is the ""light"" version, and wendigoon went to the depths of the biblical fanfiction 🤩 Please collab!! Edit: I added quote marks because I understand it's a lot of work nonetheless ^^
I hear that in the protoevangelium of james a young man named Shiloh is made to fight angels against his will by his father. Canonical angels are pretty weird but they have some gnarly described appearances in there. "Mount the war chariot, Shiloh!" is a fairly famous quote from that gospel.
This stuff is fascinating. I was raised Mormon so I know all about Biblical fan fiction, that's what the book of Mormon is. When are they gonna make a Christmas movie about baby Jesus taming dragons?
@@weirdo9958 no I'm not. I left when I was about 15. I consider myself agnostic I guess, nontheistic to be a little more specific. I have differences in agreement with a lot of the core doctrine of Christianity. I do find a lot of value in the concept of Jesus and look up to what they say he was. I say that I believe in Jesus in a figurative sense but not in a literal sense, I don't know if that makes SENSE or not? Hahaha
Loved this too much. The young Jesus stories are just beautiful and despite their positioning in the Canon. It's nice to see that many people, even at the time, liked the stories.
7:22 I actually remember this from an obscure Christmas carol we sang in youth choir! It’s called “the cherry tree carol” and it’s from the Middle Ages when weird theology was all over the damn place. The only difference between the song and the story in the video is, in the song Jesus hasn’t been born yet. The tree is commanded to bow by unborn fetus-Jesus so his momma can snack on some cherries. Also, Joseph is salty because he literally just found out that Mary’s pregnant and it’s not his kid, but then the tree bows for her and Joseph is all like “holy crap, she really WAS knocked up by god. This is kinda awesome. Alright, we’re cool Mary, I’m okay with this”.
Christmas is a lovely holiday, it's Christian, it's norse, it's english, its everything :) I'm glad even as a lapsed Christian I can really appreciate a good holiday. Speaking of, I'd love it if you do similar videos on other Christian or even or religious holidays! Even ones we might not celebrate anymore. That would be really extra cool in my opinion :p
I got chills when he said, "Be not afraid.". That phrase is low-key terrifying. I do like how this story highlights how powerful a diety living on earth would be.
King Herod is mentioned in one song often played at Christmas, although not as often as others. "The Coventry Carol", quite possibly one of the oldest known carols ever written, mentions King Herod. "Herod the king, in his raging Charged he hath this day His men of might in his own sight All young children to slay"
During Christmas dinner my grandmother would always choose as table decoration a manger with baby Jesus surrounded by his parents and a few animals, including a donkey and an ox. I remember looking at the animals and thinking they looked in awe. We're from South America.
@@nunyabiznes33 after I stopped being a Catholic myself I didn't know what to make of the story but these wild stories are making me like the holiday again, now I just want to add a dragon to the nativity scene to make it more fun
@@monus782 Seeing as how much the original Christian doctrine was changed by the Catholics, no wonder people leave the faith... I always see "As an ex-Catholic" but never "As an ex-Protestant" If I may ask, why did you leave? Im Christian myself, and I evangelize quite often, so I like to know arguments against it.
This is the only video upload by you that I didn't watch instantly, yet I am watching it now Hochelaga, and my insomnia is getting calm. I can sleep with your voice lullaby.
4:25 - wow, you have phrased this very delicately. In the text, I don't think it's the baby that's being inspected. Here's the passage: "...A virgin has conceived, a virgin has brought forth, and a virgin she remains." And hearing these words, Salome said: Allow me to handle thee, and prove whether Zelomi have spoken the truth. And the blessed Mary allowed her to handle her. And when she had withdrawn her hand from handling her, it dried up, and through excess of pain she began to weep bitterly, and to be in great distress, crying out, and saying: "O Lord God, Thou knowest that I have always feared Thee, and that without recompense I have cared for all the poor; I have taken nothing from the widow and the orphan, and the needy have I not sent empty away. And, behold, I am made wretched because of mine unbelief, since without a cause I wished to try Thy virgin."
I see the donkey and ox depicted as art in my Orthodox Church, I always thought they represented good/evil. I’m sure my dad will like it when I tell him it’s not biblically accurate.
@@Caerulis but RC art and an Orthodox icon aren't the same thing. And EO icons of the nativity, no matter how sparse the characters, will have the ox and donkey because of that verse in Isaiah
Ohmygod I love your videos so so so much! Thank you for the podcast, I am looking forward to listen to it! Btw in my country, Czechia, we have traditions of making little "Betlehems". Those are tiny sceneries made from paper, wood, ceramics or basically anything you can imagine and they present the picture of the holy family right after a birth of baby Jesus. We always include donkey and the ox in those, it´s a necesity and quite literally I´ve never thought where did they come from. So thank you for explanantion!
7:05 The massacre of the innocents "too dark to feature in any of the songs". Except there is "Unto us is born a Son". This did Herod sore affray, And did him bewilder, So he gave the word to slay, And slew the little childer.
I would love if you could upload your podcast to TH-cam, even with just a blank screen in the back. Thank you for always making very interesting and well made videos.
Many of these Apochryphal stories were written 130-500 years after Christ’s death. This is one of the reasons they are generally dismissed and not included in the Bible.
Jesus walking and standing as an infant is to be expected. The nephylm babies did the same. The Bibles need to be authenticated. Trading is this merchandise is lucrative. Excellent video!! Thank you. I enjoyed the art also. I just subbed!!
Tommy I just wanted to say since this is the first video you’ve released in a bit - I ADORE the Intereuption. I’m addicted to it and each episode I’m trying to guess who we’ve heard that may have actually been the guy. My current theory is it’s the older British gentleman who was knowledgeable about aerials and said he was putting one up the day of the event!! That guy. Think you talked to him from the Facebook page. Don’t remember the guys name. Just wanted to give you my appreciation. A very very good podcast
0:29 guy under the hood: yeah, I see what the problem is dis thing right here.. its broken off. I can order you a new one, it should be here in a day or so.
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There's something oddly adorable about a donkey and ox taking one look at a baby and instantly being like "Aight, we're your pets now".
To be fair, if I was a donkey, I would want to be baby Jesus’s donkey
The donkey probably only did it because he didn't want to be an *ass*. eh I'll see myself out
"And in the morning, I'm makin' waffles!" - the donkey...probably.
They imprinted on him?
YESSSS. So good honestly. 😂
It always amuses me about how between the othodox texts and apocrypha you basically have a fully fledged cinematic universe, complete with sequels, prequels, interquels, and multiple continuity snarls and retcons.
Same thing with ancient Greek and Roman mythology; they could AT LEAST make a Game of Thrones-style show about it.
Start dipping into the non cannon stuff from other local faiths
As Marc Maron said, they both came out of the old Jewish writer's room.
@@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 thats what is so fascinating it was all part of the lore back in those days. Many different "religions" had stories of a messiah, a sacrifice.
@@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 Islam uses Jesus commanding the palm tree & making birds from clay in the Qu'ran so, in a way it's already been done. Looks like the Council of Nicaea voted out some valid writings, as Pseudo-Matthew does confirm Isaiah.
ProtoEvangelium could be such a cool band name
we are PROTOEVANGELIUM and this song is called "The Bible Accurate Angels Took my Baby Away"
Do it girl!
@@deathbywords I just need some bandmates, I've been coming up with bandnames in the same way in the last couple years, mixing 2 words togheter since all the cool names have already been taken by a century of bands. :v
I think the band would be a sort of Yemenite metal folk fusion sound. But all acoustic.
I call dibs
"If we're going to include apocryphal creatures, where's the kid dressed up like a dragon?"
...Looking back on my childhood, I would _absolutely_ be that kid provided the opportunity to do so.
I think there'd be a riot among the kids who *weren't* picked to be the dragon lol.
@@5peciesunkn0wn for real
Going with your namesake, you'd dress up as 'Puff the Magic Dragon'
I've got an image in my head now of a nativity play where the kids have to bring in their own costumes and the one playing the angel comes in with the flaming wheels of eyes.
@@jamesflames6987 That would be awesome!
We need to start adding dragons to nativity scenes ASAP
No need. Seraphim has that covered. The Nativity is about Jesus though.
yes
That's exactly what I'll try to do this year
Crocodiles inhabited the area & that's where dragons came from.
LOL Good one!! 😋
It was a hochelaga Christmas… and all through the street
Not a creature was stirring
Not even the sheep
And then came along
The jolly old hoch
Telling every boy and girl of
Hieronymous Bosch
Killed it
@@AC-hj9tv Fuck. Yes.
I started watching this channel when you made Twas a bible accurate Christmas, and now it's pretty much gone full circle!
Love it!
Me too!
Heh... Full Circle
"Things get apocryphal again", I've got to use that phrase at some point in my life.
"How'd the date go?"
"It got apocryphal".
That image at 02:22 had me in stitches! Great channel, keep up the good work, dear sir.
Bro’s got that light skin stare
@@nategracci9035 the one brow at a 90° angle lmao
Ok but they should have never removed that part about the donkey and the ox =)) It made the Christmas story even more wholesome
Take a look at an Orthodox icon. It's in there.
Orthodox icons have the donkey and ox! The NT apocrypha isnt included but it exists in the icons
Its referenced in some of the carols - "the ox and the lamb come around him", and "oh come let us adore him"
@@andrewternet8370they appear in the Spanish nativity
So... In my country, is a tradition to make a christmas manger in the houses or in the town blocks, so neighbours and familes can pray togheter and share food until 25 morning... I always noticed that a donkey and a bull figure are always put near Jesus crib, but we never questioned it nor really think about it.
So for now on, i'll never see those animals again in the same way, and probably tell everyone about this.
Greetings from Colombia
Make a dragon to add to it this year 😅
Belen
I've always felt like something is missing in all the Christmas narratives. And it's a dragon!
I love ancient people, I mean they saw a strange creature to tell them what to do and their reaction was like "yeah that's legit"
Heavy air quotes on “saw” LOL. nobody saw shit except maybe in dreams which they interpreted as from god/gods
@@wolfiemuse Prove it
Better than us following the lies of the CDC, NIH and FAUCI.
🤣🤣🤣
@@thrithgolden2748 so true! i too would rather listen to a heffalump i saw in a dream once than peer-reviewed medical professionals
@@MrPrius-fy1sc then why did these peer review medical professionals prevent anyone suing pharmecutical companies producing these vaccines? If its so safe then why safeguard?
this goes SO WELL with the last Wendigoon video, like this is the ""light"" version, and wendigoon went to the depths of the biblical fanfiction 🤩
Please collab!!
Edit: I added quote marks because I understand it's a lot of work nonetheless ^^
daniela, hablas español?
I will marry you
I see that you are a woman of colture as well 😎
Wendigoon is overrated
@Hudson Hamman This.
I love the way he says “thats nice”
I read your comment just as he said that! 😄
@@sird2333 😆
I hear that in the protoevangelium of james a young man named Shiloh is made to fight angels against his will by his father. Canonical angels are pretty weird but they have some gnarly described appearances in there. "Mount the war chariot, Shiloh!" is a fairly famous quote from that gospel.
I thoughy the kid forced to fight angels because of is father forced him to called Shinji Ikari
Oh my Lord this took me a while lmao
This stuff is fascinating. I was raised Mormon so I know all about Biblical fan fiction, that's what the book of Mormon is. When are they gonna make a Christmas movie about baby Jesus taming dragons?
Are you still a Christian?
@@weirdo9958 no I'm not. I left when I was about 15. I consider myself agnostic I guess, nontheistic to be a little more specific. I have differences in agreement with a lot of the core doctrine of Christianity. I do find a lot of value in the concept of Jesus and look up to what they say he was. I say that I believe in Jesus in a figurative sense but not in a literal sense, I don't know if that makes SENSE or not? Hahaha
@@jevinday are you trying to say that you don't believe Jesus existed but you believe in the values of Christianity?
@@weirdo9958 yeah exactly. Sorry I was trying to figure out how to put how I feel into words
I don’t understand the concept of Christmas. Jesus was not born anywhere near Christmas, atleast according to the bible
Loved this too much. The young Jesus stories are just beautiful and despite their positioning in the Canon. It's nice to see that many people, even at the time, liked the stories.
2:23 I'm sorry but that angel doing 'the people's eyebrow' made me lose it 💀
Lowkey a little scary that jesus drops the be not afraid line.
Can't wait for some teens to make a biblically accurate nativity play, it'll be the best Christmas prank ever.
Well, this ISN’T the Bible. These accounts are from the books that were rejected by the early church councils that determined the Biblical canon.
I love these videos.
Very informative without being biased. Interesting stuff. Great work!
7:22 I actually remember this from an obscure Christmas carol we sang in youth choir! It’s called “the cherry tree carol” and it’s from the Middle Ages when weird theology was all over the damn place.
The only difference between the song and the story in the video is, in the song Jesus hasn’t been born yet. The tree is commanded to bow by unborn fetus-Jesus so his momma can snack on some cherries. Also, Joseph is salty because he literally just found out that Mary’s pregnant and it’s not his kid, but then the tree bows for her and Joseph is all like “holy crap, she really WAS knocked up by god. This is kinda awesome. Alright, we’re cool Mary, I’m okay with this”.
Love this video, you answered a few questions I always had about specific stories left out of the Bible! Thank you for all you do
This was a super interesting video! Also really loving the podcast. Keep up the excellent work!
Why was I forced to be a Sheppard in my Christmas play when I could have been a dragon :( come on man
Sad
Commander Shepard
Christmas is a lovely holiday, it's Christian, it's norse, it's english, its everything :) I'm glad even as a lapsed Christian I can really appreciate a good holiday. Speaking of, I'd love it if you do similar videos on other Christian or even or religious holidays! Even ones we might not celebrate anymore. That would be really extra cool in my opinion :p
The question is, does the Proto-evangelion contain a cruel angel's pre-thesis?
They've presented their thesis statement at the very least, but the requests for revisions led to the neon genesis version.
@@takeagalbythehand
You mean the one where the gay angel is the proofreader.
This awesome video has now joined my yearly Christmas traditions. I absolutely Love your videos!!!!
Thanks for this. I really enjoyed it. Merry Christmas 🐂🌟
Loving your work. Thanks for doing these - and well done on your work solving the Southern TV mystery.
I love your work, and the Interruption has been simply FANTASTIC. I cannot wait to see what is next!!
im not even religious but i eat these videos up so much.
I love your channel. Mainly your personality and how its expressed in your motion graphics. It's both educational and entertaining.
I got chills when he said, "Be not afraid.".
That phrase is low-key terrifying. I do like how this story highlights how powerful a diety living on earth would be.
Herod's slaying of the children (often "childer") is in the deep verses of many carols: "Coventry Carol" and especially "Unto Us is Born a Son"
Yet another Christmas special! An early xmas gift perhaps?
6:30 I chuckled so hard at this
Of course those are his first words lmao
I think i have lost my mind.
😂😂😂 Heavenly beings will jumpscare the living daylight out of u then gaslight u 😂
I so enjoy your videos. Please keep them coming. Thank you for yet another fascinating tale.
It's amazing how there was fan fiction back then too.
I hope Hochelaga will do a more recent lore explanation, like explaining the entire Monument Mythos or telling us the actual story of Death Stranding.
King Herod is mentioned in one song often played at Christmas, although not as often as others. "The Coventry Carol", quite possibly one of the oldest known carols ever written, mentions King Herod.
"Herod the king, in his raging
Charged he hath this day
His men of might in his own sight
All young children to slay"
During Christmas dinner my grandmother would always choose as table decoration a manger with baby Jesus surrounded by his parents and a few animals, including a donkey and an ox. I remember looking at the animals and thinking they looked in awe. We're from South America.
Christmas came around on 325 A.D Jesus was born on 9/11/3 B.C.
As an atheist this just sounds like the wildest fever dream to ever exist
As an ex-Catholic, I love how trippy this was.
A gin and tonic can usually help . Clarity assured.
@@nunyabiznes33 after I stopped being a Catholic myself I didn't know what to make of the story but these wild stories are making me like the holiday again, now I just want to add a dragon to the nativity scene to make it more fun
@@monus782 Seeing as how much the original Christian doctrine was changed by the Catholics, no wonder people leave the faith... I always see "As an ex-Catholic" but never "As an ex-Protestant"
If I may ask, why did you leave? Im Christian myself, and I evangelize quite often, so I like to know arguments against it.
Ah, truly a great and cozy video on a such a cold night… thank you for this! I always learn something new from you
Listening to The Interruption right now! Great start man!
More roles for children in their Nativity. A dragon would be awesome in any play but in the Nativity, it beats being a shepherd...
This is the only video upload by you that I didn't watch instantly, yet I am watching it now Hochelaga, and my insomnia is getting calm. I can sleep with your voice lullaby.
I got in trouble as a kid during my church nativity play for dressing up as a dragon.
🐉🐲🀄🐉🐲🀄
4:25 - wow, you have phrased this very delicately. In the text, I don't think it's the baby that's being inspected. Here's the passage:
"...A virgin has conceived, a virgin has brought forth, and a virgin she remains."
And hearing these words, Salome said: Allow me to handle thee, and prove whether Zelomi have spoken the truth. And the blessed Mary allowed her to handle her.
And when she had withdrawn her hand from handling her, it dried up, and through excess of pain she began to weep bitterly, and to be in great distress, crying out, and saying: "O Lord God, Thou knowest that I have always feared Thee, and that without recompense I have cared for all the poor; I have taken nothing from the widow and the orphan, and the needy have I not sent empty away. And, behold, I am made wretched because of mine unbelief, since without a cause I wished to try Thy virgin."
Another great video, Tommie! Thank you very much.
i hope the return of one of the most interesting channels i know comes with a merry and bright video like this one...
I was so happy when I saw this in my notifications. Thank you!
Wonderful video! Such an elegant delivery of obscure data and superb imagery. Mega like!!
I love your voice, I’m sure gonna enjoy the podcast man
I have to say I absolutely love your podcast about the southern television interruption.
Imagine your kids first words were to be not afraid
🤣
The "jesus bending a tree for mary to eat from it" bit is also in the Qu'ran to my knowledge, but there, she was still pregnant
I see the donkey and ox depicted as art in my Orthodox Church, I always thought they represented good/evil. I’m sure my dad will like it when I tell him it’s not biblically accurate.
They're in almost every icon of the nativity
@@calebshoemaker I don’t see them at Catholic Churches
@@Caerulis but RC art and an Orthodox icon aren't the same thing. And EO icons of the nativity, no matter how sparse the characters, will have the ox and donkey because of that verse in Isaiah
They also appear in Spanish nativity dioramas
Praise be Saklas! Another upload has arrived!
Twas an apocryphal accurate Christmas and all through the house
No ones was screaming
Except for the catholic mouse
Oh 😄🤣😂😆😄🤣
Always looking forward to a notification from you!!
Yes! Happy holiday to you Hoch! Thanks for the gift of this video :)
My hoodie looks great. Thank you for a biblically accurate Christmas.
For some reason that old dancing baby gif popped into my head when told that seconds-old baby J could already stand 😂
I thought it was weird enough when three Zoroastrians turn up but I wasn't ready for Neo-Gospel Evangelium
My hoodie looks great, thank you for a biblically accurate Christmas
if my toddlers first words were do not be afraid u cn be sure as hell thats exactly what im gunna be
Yup I would run screaming
Great one. So excited to listen to the podcast
Ohmygod I love your videos so so so much! Thank you for the podcast, I am looking forward to listen to it! Btw in my country, Czechia, we have traditions of making little "Betlehems". Those are tiny sceneries made from paper, wood, ceramics or basically anything you can imagine and they present the picture of the holy family right after a birth of baby Jesus. We always include donkey and the ox in those, it´s a necesity and quite literally I´ve never thought where did they come from. So thank you for explanantion!
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Have a merry Yule my friend and a Happy New Year! Cheers from Canada!
I just LOVE this video, best Christmas gift
Dungeons and dragons quote got me lol
I just finished The Interruption, it was absolutely amazing, well done sir. Heres to (not spoiling it)❤️
Going from wendigoons apocryphal video to this is awesome
Excited to listen to the podcast
Haha just what I’ve always felt missing from “the Christmas Story” - dragons 🐉! 🤬🎄👍
Satan: I would invade heaven.
Angels:🌙👁👁🌙
👁👁🌞👁👁
🌙👁👁🌙
Satan: understandable, have a great day.
If you have fanfiction, fanart is usually close behind.
One note on the slaughter of the innocents, it is in a Carol: the Coventry Carol.
It isnt very often performed for obvious reason though.
Even if I’m not a Christian anymore. These stories give me nostalgia…😢
Love Thomas’ gospel…. A very different and way more radical Jesus. Very interesting clip!
It's really fun to watch this video on Christmas eve.
Proto Genesis Evangalium show is gonna be lit 🔥
Love your videos and looking forward to listening your podcast
7:05 The massacre of the innocents "too dark to feature in any of the songs".
Except there is "Unto us is born a Son".
This did Herod sore affray,
And did him bewilder,
So he gave the word to slay,
And slew the little childer.
I would love if you could upload your podcast to TH-cam, even with just a blank screen in the back.
Thank you for always making very interesting and well made videos.
Many of these Apochryphal stories were written 130-500 years after Christ’s death. This is one of the reasons they are generally dismissed and not included in the Bible.
One of the gnostic gospel Christmas traditions I like best is when the holy family share their recipe for a nice hot cup of hochelaga.
When will your podcasts be out? We're excited
1:56 them pecs, Bruh!
Livin' on that butterfly machine, are you?
merry christimas, you guys!!! 💖💖
Thx man
I love your videos. Thanks for putting your efforts into them!
“News of this eloquent, dragon-taming toddler gets around town…”😂🤣👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Jesus walking and standing as an infant is to be expected. The nephylm babies did the same.
The Bibles need to be authenticated. Trading is this merchandise is lucrative.
Excellent video!! Thank you. I enjoyed the art also.
I just subbed!!
Thank you!!
Tommy I just wanted to say since this is the first video you’ve released in a bit - I ADORE the Intereuption. I’m addicted to it and each episode I’m trying to guess who we’ve heard that may have actually been the guy. My current theory is it’s the older British gentleman who was knowledgeable about aerials and said he was putting one up the day of the event!! That guy. Think you talked to him from the Facebook page. Don’t remember the guys name. Just wanted to give you my appreciation. A very very good podcast
0:29 guy under the hood: yeah, I see what the problem is dis thing right here.. its broken off. I can order you a new one, it should be here in a day or so.
"Too dark to feature in any of the songs".
Coventry: "Hold my beer"
My boy Hochelaga-Maisoneuve is growing his channel big time.