The Gospel of Jesus' Wife
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- What if Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, what if they have descendants that live amongst us? This idea forms the basis of the Da Vinci Code, and is a central theme of the gnostic gospels. But it’s not just the realm of fiction or conspiracy. You see, there’s an ancient Christian text that seems to confirm this theory. It’s a tiny fragment of papyrus with an astonishing revelation - that Jesus had a wife.
It had the potential to rewrite everything we knew about the life of Jesus. If it was genuine of course. And that’s where things get a little complicated. You see, (*spoilers*) the Gospel of Jesus' Wife was a hoax, a forgery, a fake. From the odd handwriting to lifting text from the gospel of Thomas, it was quickly deemed fraudulent. Despite this, it was a catalyst for some exciting conversations. For example, how much do we really know about the life of Jesus? All we have are the New Testament texts, and a few other sources, but they only really cover the final few years of his life. Ultimately, we know very little about Jesus as a historical figure. So for now, the mystery of whether he had a wife is ongoing.
I hope you enjoy this one. It's such a fascinating topic (in my humble opinion). Thank you all for 671k subscribers. Goodness, that's a big number!
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Sources & Further Reading:
'The Unbelievable Tale of Jesus' Wife' by Ariel Sabar
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...
Bernhard, A. (2015). The Gospel of Jesus' Wife: Textual Evidence of Modern Forgery. New Testament Studies, 61(3), 335-355. doi:10.1017/S0028688515000077
Gathercole, S. (2015). The Gospel of Jesus' Wife: Constructing a Context. New Testament Studies, 61(3), 292-313. doi:10.1017/S0028688515000107
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@@certifiedjojofan hi
@@adoniskayleford4390 bruh
You should have started this by saying that most biblical scholars don’t believe Jesus was married. You are discussing fringe positions and debunking them late in the video.
can you please make a video about the shroud of turin?
thanks!
Borat said unto them "My Wife"
Lmao
Very Nice
I like
How much?
This!
Even if the document was legit, the fact that much of the context is missing it would be impossible to tell whether Jesus would've been talking literally or in a parable.
"Behold, it came to pass that I was in the kitchen talking to..." Jesus said to them, "My wife. When suddenly the spirit came upon me and I exclaimed, 'Wait a minute, I'm not married. Who the hell are you!?'"
“My wife”, “jk ew”
The entire Bible is like that
Then jesus said unto them: "my wife is the church"
Jesus said to them, "My wife doesn't exist."
As cool as that would’ve been, there would be hundreds and hundreds of descendants of Jesus, and the idea that people in MODERN DAY could run around saying they’re blood related to Jesus Christ sounds totally insufferable. There’d be cults too
A Chinese man once claimed to be related to jesus. Ended up causing one of the bloodiest wars in human history.
People say that every european today is descended from King Charlemagne (747-814 AD) so if there were descendants of Jesus, there'd easily be *hundreds of millions* of them. Anyone bragging about it wouldn't really be as special as they thought because there's literally millions of other people with the same heritage lol. I completely agree about it sounding insufferable!
Didn't care until you mentioned the cults. It'd be sure to spawn a few and hopefully they never upgrade from "cult" to "religion."
@@-addy-1104 just like Genghis Khans descendants
@@immakmssoon Taiping Rebellion
You can’t tell me that Jesus’s milkshake didn’t bring all the ladies to the yard. Tall, handsome, humble, stable carpentry job, good to his mom, unimaginable supernatural powers, he’s the TOTAL ancient package!
Where did you see he had any of those features? The only physical thing we know is that he was an average guy. Nothing stood out and he didn’t do miracles until his 30s. Long after women his age were married
@@SymphonyZach Married women would also fall for him!
Tall and handsome? You mean the incorrect depiction of Jesus which was copied from Borgia right?
@@pennydreadful5163 well when returns He looks like king, as a man He blended in more and no He doesn't look like 90 percent of paintings, I dont get why ppl care so much on looks, but certain stuff, if one knows Him, ask to be shown
He wasn't exactly stable, sure he might have been educated in his father's or uncle's job as is common but the dude was basically living as an ascetic for the gospel narrative. So no stable job, probably not too handsome unless u can wash regularly being an ascetic, supernatural powers in the ancient world is generally considered to have spoken or unspoken rules and its not like he used his powers everytime he was hungry or something so probably relatively rare use(like once a month or something)
"Come on Jesus, say the line"
Jesus: *sigh* "My wife ..."
"YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!"
I remember there's a girl come near at me and told me that Jesus has a wife ,and she showed me some verses in the bible to prove me that she has a wife but I forgot what verse it is and its so weird...
@@jessica.rose527 there are worms under your skin
@@brbr6882 Whut? 🙄
@@brbr6882 Br br br br brrr
I absolutely adore how some of these claims are phrased, it reminds me of middle schoolers and grade schoolers spreading rumors. ‘Yeah, he loved her more than any of his friends, and he kissed her all the time. On the mouth!’
I was thinking exactly the same lol
Jesus love Mary, Jesus love Mary, Jesus love Mary. Hahahaha
Men were childish in A.D. too 😂
Panarion: 26.8.2 “Jesus took Mary [Mary Magdalene] to the top of a mountain, where he pulled a woman out of his side and engaged in sexual intercourse with her. Then, upon ejaculating, Jesus drank his own semen and told Mary, "Thus we must do, that we may live." 🌝
--Panarion 8:3 “And when Mary was alarmed and fell to the ground, he raised her up and said to her, 'O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?’”😼
Imagine if Jesus didn't have a wife, but the papyrus text was real, it was just that he was making the world's most ancient Borat joke in that document
“Not to be confused with Jesus’s mother, also named Mary”
Boy, that would have been.. questionable. To say the very least.
Joedipus. :)
I mean, he’s not supposed to be her biological child anyway, right?
oedipus rex electric boogaloo
To be fair, they had like 4 girl names to choose from back then. And one of those names was apparently jezebel, so…
"...Mother of God"
"Yes, quite!"
You're in my top 5 favorite TH-camrs. Top 1 for this genre. Your delivery is smooth and very easy to listen to. You always have super interesting³ and unknown (atleast for me) stories, literature, artwork and historic events.
u have any recommendations for channels that have the same feel as this?
@@bxyxg I'd like to recommend Blind Dweller. He focusses more on weird art, but has a great video on Francisco Goya you might like 👌
@@bxyxg not the same feel but similar content: see you in history, budget museum, toldinstone, fall of civilisations, Alt Shift X(fantasy and scifi).
@@bxyxg check out curious archive, he has somewhat similar stuff about medieval art
Never know what to comment, put this comment down twice
Hochelga: Jesus has a wife
Catholics: Yes, the church
Hochelga: 👁️👄👁️
he proves it was a hoax at the end of the video why don't u finish thew video first before u write
@@antoniosadel8868 this is for those who didnt watch the whole video
Bruh…🤭🤭
@@antoniosadel8868 apparently you will get more likes if you are one of the first people to comment lol. And my comment is for the die hard catholics that will not listen to any "heretical" texts
@@ediciusrift based
To be honest, I don't care if Jesus had a wife or not, in fact, it would actually make me happier, giving a human side to this being, making his holiness seem more achievable to us. But if he didn't, it's fine, what matters is what he did and the people he helped.
All only documented in legendary second-hand accounts which are almost certainly full of vast exaggeration, fabrication, rumor and outright myth.
jesus didnt had a wife. this prostitute lied and corrupted.
I was actually just reading The Da Vinci Code, and I must say it was both the most boring and painful experience, but also an entertaining and enlightening read
truthfully I only read it because "murderous albino monk" was something I had to hear more about
Lost symbol and angels and demons are more interesting. Da Vinci Code is the most boring of his work
@@raileejohnconans3069 Realy? I've never realy found the book boring xd
The Da Vinci Code is very obviously popular due to its controversy, not story. I agree that it was boring aside from the "conspiracy" sides of it.
So much exposition. What got me laughing was the fact Teabing (the villain) literally brings up how Sophie, I think, was useless and carried by the protagonist.
It's like "wait, and you didn't think that was a writing error?"
It was one of my first novels so it shaped my taste of novels. I am not sorry.
Murderous albino monk *with a masochism fetish
People shipping Mary Magdalene x Jesus is so funny to me. Like, Can’t a mortal woman and a son of god just be friends without people shipping them. 🙄 😂
i agree
I’m a Catholic but I legit laughed my ass off when I saw that “my wife” line lol
If you’re a priest you should really stop Cath-o-licking the kids.
he made a borat joke 2000 years before it was cool
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Catholics worship idols, what does that have to do with this?
Is it funny because you’ve found a new idol to your collection? 🙏😖
I'm not a Christian but I always find Biblical content fascinating, so thank you for the great work as always!
I have spoken to a few Latter-Day Saints believers who firmly teach that Jesus *must* have had a wife as part of being a model of manhood as it were, so I always wonder if it's a widely-held assumption in some of the newer American branches of Christianity. It's a very unpopular belief here in Europe haha
As a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints, I can confirm this, the reason however is because marriage is essential to salvation and is the core of our religion, Jesus set the example for us in all things including the most important covenant we make, marriage. It doesn't have anything to do with manliness, as we believe that although men and women are very different and have very important roles that are different from each other, they are perfectly equal and there differences complement each other perfectly.
Hmm... I'd watch out for anything they tell you. I'm an athiest, my opinion doesn't count, but even most Christians find the idea of Jesus visiting North America a bit hard to swallow. Not to mention Joseph Smith's dodgy-as-all-heck scrying stone setup...
@@Blitterbug which of us has spent the last fifteen years studying LDS theology including five years of seminary, I think you'll find that "most Christians" usually have no idea what there talking about, my sister once quoted a scripture from the Bible to counter a pentecostal pastor and he responded with "there ain't no book of Amos in the Bible "
@@channelnamepending8329 buddy you wasted your time, pick a new hobby
@@channelnamepending8329 Haha! Rhetorical question, as you very well know. Enjoy your passion, and if you have sufficient faith, why feel hounded by ignorant fools like me having a little fun at your expense. Or is your faith so weak? (Tip: That's rhetorical too, but it has a serious point behind it).
“It’s a long story.”
*video is only 12 mins long*
I NEED MORE HOCH! I love your content and binge it frequently even though I’ve seen everything a bunch. I love your longer form content!!!
I remember this story from way back. I only saw the papyrus after the hoax was uncovered, but even then, it looked badly written and I said something was definitely off about the letters. Well trained scribes wouldn’t let so many blatant errors pass on expensive papyrus paper and ink.
Well… scribes made mistakes all the time haha
@@wolfiemuse true, but who would save their scrap paper?
@@Alusnovalotus what? What do you mean? Hoch discussed that ancient papyrus scraps show up on the black market/shady dealings a lot and are very very expensive. It’s probably graverobbed or stolen/ripped a blank section off an existing manuscript id say
@@wolfiemuseThere are actually a lot of spurious written "gospels" at the time. Forgery and faking authenticity isn't just a modern thing.
Many you can easily tell isn't a part of the Biblical account such as the gospel of Jesus giving a child cancer for beating Him in a game and when the parents came over to issue a complaint, Jesus turned them blind.
@@ValerioRhys All the canonical gospels were just as "spurious" as any other gospel. The only source of legitimacy one really has over another is that the church picked which ones it wanted and which ones it didn't. No gospel is a first-hand account written immediately at the time of events. No gospel is likely written by the person it's ascribed to. They're all just essentially works of fiction written decades (at best) after the events they claim to describe, with no better basis for claiming to be factual than just "trust me bro."
The fact that there are no stories of Jesus' alleged children being persecuted/worshipped after his death is also pretty telling.
well worshipping his children would have been idolatry.
Jesus has no children
@@studiosx8561*biological
@@freppie_ there have been many instances of people worshipping saints to the point of exhumation to steal and worship their bones, although technically un-christian, it's surprising how far some go for their faith
The Catholic Church made up the rule priests can’t get married because they safely assumed a married man would leave all his possessions to to his family, while a single man would leave everything to the church.
Funny thing, a christian german TV channel called 'Bibel TV' did an advertising in which they asked people to change their testaments, so they could get a part of the heritage.. that's some next level scam
Exactly, that was the main reason
According to who? According to you
This line of thinking has no intellectual basis or evidence. The reason Catholic clergy don’t have wives, is because they choose to as a part of their priesthood. They could very easily be married deacons if they wanted to. Priests are taught to give up everything to Christ, the idea that that means selling everything they have to the church, would be a grave misrepresentation.
I never thought I would be interested in religion but since I started watching this channel I've really been interested in the topic.
You need to stop watching so many sissy high school animes and start learning your history. The world's history. Wayyyy better than anything your woke non-binary teachers ever taught you
@@Shinobi33 what the fuck are you talking about, you sound like a caricature of right wing amalgamated into one guy.
Stuff about Jesus is incredibly interesting.
Same, this channel has led me down a path of religious history. I've been binge watching a lot of religious TH-cam channels covering the topic.
i invite you to study orthodox christianity and its spirituality.
If it was true that Jesus and Mary Magdalen were married, that would kind of add a new layer of beauty and tragedy to the story of Jesus. Mary Magdalen would’ve witnessed her own husband get killed for his teachings.
I’ve always been athiest because I blatantly and flatly denied it. I’m more religious now than before discovering this channel, but it is because the story is actually entertaining to read and research in the perspective of reading for entertainment rather than spiritual enlightenment. Thanks Hochelaga, you are a great content creator and very entertaining to watch.
ey bro consider analyzing any biases the content you consume may have before making any life changes choices
This channel isn't exactly religious
Believe that Jesus saved yyou from sin bc of what he did on the cross, thats the good news, Jesus said "whoever shall believe have everlasting life"
@@BIight.The whole religion is a big confusion
My dear old Dad, a devout atheist who was born Catholic & educated by nuns, often said that Jesus had a wife called Mary & a brother called James.
I never did find out what he based these claims on but he was always so darn sure & since he knew more about the bible than anyone I have ever met, I felt no need to question him.
Kind of wish I had now...
I heard that a certain JC Christo is going to be the last Tesla eV car customer... 🤣🤣🤣🤣😎
I mean he definitely had a brother called James, that’s just straight up in the bible
@@axeldeporte4073 I find that kind of reassuring, since Dad's name was also James & there was always the possibility he was just winding me up, though I never doubted him for a second.
@@viennapalace
Josephus also has a line *James the brother of Jesus* which is apparently not a forgery unlike at least one other part of Josephus.
Indeed, your father was a wise man. There is a man named James the Just, who appears to have been Jesus' biological brother. He wanted to carry the church on a more Jewish-Christian direction, (keeping many Jewish rituals and so on) in stark contrast to Paul who wished to carry on with an evangelizing version of the faith and break from the past in most respects. This fine man was unfortunately martyred by the Pharisees during a "changing of the post" as it were of Roman officials responsible for governing, 30 years after his older brother's death.
If Jesus got married in this gospel then I wonder what would've happened if he went the same route as Superman like that one dark episode where he dreamed a family on his native planet. Except played out as a biblical story.
Literally The Last Temptation of Christ
@@inserttapehere276 what book is that?.
You are deceived by the Devil Satan. Please wake up. Jesus Christ is Lord!
@@ikengaspirit3063 The Martin Scorsese film
Check out The Last Temptation of Christ film.
The book was written by Nikos Kazantzakis, who was excommunicated by the Greek Orthodox Church, and buried outside the graveyard wall.
It’s quite interesting to consider.
Lots of clues in the south of France.
You turn into a swan and jump a girl's bones, no one bats an eye. You marry a nice local girl and start a family, everyone loses their minds.
Smh
Imagine the impact that Jesus had into the culture then, he was the most famous even after his death. So that papyrus could be like a false information that was mainstream in that period. The fact that this papyrus appears after 330 years or whatever the timeframe was . could be fake information that circulated back then in that areas. Just the fact that is so old can lead people to think this must be something genuine in that which can be misleading. Anyway really nice investigation, keep going!👌🏼
Besides the fact that the ink was traced back to the 21st century
In gnostic bibles, jesus kisses her on the mouth
The apostles: what a beautiful *friendship*
Really feels like SapphoAndHerFriend material
I am no scholar, but I've always assumed that Jesus did have a wife: I think not having a wife as a Jewish young man at that time would have stood out as something somewhat unusual, enough to have at least some source commenting about that. Having no mention of him not being married, has always made me assume he was. Does anyone know anything more specific about marital costumes of that time?
Kinda fits in since Jesus was a 'unusual' figure at the time. Made sense in my mind since he was the son of god and him devoting his life to god. That he could not devote his love to one singular person but love for every person. But that's just my opinion I haven't actually read the bible next to what the pastor told me in church.
@@Christian-mt5jx From a fideistic point of view, I think this is certainly it. But from a historical and biographical perspective it strikes me as odd the fact that Him being unmarried is not pointed out by any source. Even from a "propaganda" point of view, stressing out that He was devoted to everyone and not to a single person, would have been something powerful to point out. But again, I have no knowledge on the matter, so maybe being unmarried wasn't unusual, and thus wasn't worthy to be reported
@@francescosegre That is very true. I just filled in the blanks myself back then but looking at that they didn't mention his marital status is bizarre almost.
It would not have been unusual at all. Jewish monks and ascetics were somewhat common in Roman-era Israel, and Jesus & his 12 disciples are frequently implied to be some of them throughout the New Testament.
In that time and place it wouldn't have been unusual at all for apocalyptic preachers to not get married or start families. None of the new testament writings or majority of non-canonical writings mention a wife of any sort, someone that undoubtedly would've been relevant to the early Christians.
Paul (the earliest source on Christianity) "set aside" his wife because he thought the second coming would happen in lifetime. That doesn't really make sense if Jesus himself had been married
Stories like this make me curious about what's in the Vatican's archives. A story like this makes its contents mysterious and tantalizing. But I bet there is a lot of stuff in there that would be boring to most people. Still, I'd love to get in there. Does the Vatican have library passes?
There is probably some borderline insane shit in the Archives. But we don’t get to see or hear about it. Kinda crazy
Probably full of boring ecclesiastical nonsense and bureaucratic busy work.
The most interesting parts would be Papal contact with foreign emissaries in the East pre-20th century and dark ages to Renaissance politics, but most of that stuff is already public. In the 21st century it would mostly be the total settlement payments to sexual abuse victims of priests, but outside of that it would be the same old mundane shit.
The total of the Vatican library is probably much less interesting than the majority of declassified documents from the US and the former Soviet Union, in the last 30 years.
@@johnd8726 while I think declassified docs are usually more interesting, we don’t have a basis for what Vatican “declassified” documents might contain so it really could be anything. Ancient texts of non canonical Bible books that we don’t even know about, texts that completely rewrite the Christian and early-Christian theology - it could be anything! But yeah government documents are likely more interesting. But I’d still like to know.
@@wolfiemuse Secrets are hard to quash, especially when records are kept. How many thousands of priests, cardinals and theological scholars have visited the Vatican archives over the last millennia? Many multiplied by many.
Why didn’t all these secrets tumble out during the Great Schism, the Reformation, the Englightment or during the age of Modernity and our age of beckoning Atheism?
Priests of high rank have left the Catholic Church in disgrace, out of the need to seek power, create offshoots or due to lack of faith over hundreds and hundreds of years…wouldn’t unveiling the Vatican’s deepest darkest secrets not be of financial benefit or seen as a tool to be weaponised by someone who had access?
It would be the closest thing to an actual miracle on Earth, if someone didn’t reveal something extraordinary that the Vatican had kept hidden over such a span of time.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t let your imagination run wild, but the archives are probably best for showing us a snapshot of medieval Europe than it is for unveiling something groundbreaking regarding early Christianity.
@@johnd8726 have many people been allowed into the Archives? I thought even when scholars were allowed in to research, there were certain sections that were totally off limits
Although I get a video notification from Hochelaga only once in a blue moon, it is always worth the wait, as very interesting topics are discussed, some I have never heard of before. Very well done once again.
"Jesus said to them my wife will be able to be my disciple." Its not saying that Jesus had a wife but that what would she be if he had a wife. Jesus and his mother lived pure from sin.
Also, its saying that had he a wife she would be a disciple meaning she will follow his teachings and live a holy life like the other disciples.
I remember when this broke out in the news but I don’t think I heard about the whole story. Thanks for sharing this! Love your content!!
Well laid out man. I do want to state that even if Jesus was married, He would have followed the Law. It would not have effected what he taught.
One of my favourite interpretations of the “Jesus had a family” idea in fiction is from the graphic novel “Preacher”
how did they do it.
Humperdoo was the real thing
I think it'll be really weird marrying a person that had the same name as your mother
Yeah, must've been confusing for kids going to church hearing about the stories of the two different Marys. Or Maries. Or Mari?
Please make a video about other Gnostic gospels. I majored in History in Uni and read a couple of them. Would be interesting if you could discuss them as well. Especially the gospel of Judas. 🙏 Thank you!
I want to see a video on Sonichu the Gospel of Chris Chan. We know from the jail letters that he is the reincarnated Christ.
I was always under the impression that Jesus Christ was celibate and only was on Earth to tell the message of God. But hearing that he had a potential wife and maybe even modern descendants brings a smile to my heart.
He was celibate, not a single quote from any Saint or Apostle or anybody mentions any wife or children of Jesus.
@MG96 Because half gods are not once mentioned in the Old Testament prophecies, or Marian apparitions, or church teachings, and Jesus was ALWAYS surrounded by his friends, except in a select few occasions, and why would the most righteous man to ever live, why would he keep his relationships a secret from his dearest friends in Saints Peter, Paul, Andrew, and more, there is simply no evidence at all suggesting Jesus Christ had a wife and children, and to suggest so is blasphemy, God would not have left Earth to return to Heaven on the third day after his death on the Cross if He had children to care for, as God wills that fathers not leave their sons, why would He leave them?
@@gagemullis313 why would he live a life he is trying to emulate when it clearly says that his children shall go forth and multiply.
Jesus is NOT God. He is the son of God. God is not an alien that came down to have a go at humanity and teach his way....especially without example.
Jesus had an entire decade of life shrouded in mystery. Mystery his dearest friends who CERTAINLY omit if necessary in obeying their lord.
There is no proof...obviously
@@gagemullis313 Jesus definitely had a family, his descendants are probably still walking around to this day. But the church didn't like this idea so they erased all traces of this in the books.
@@deathroman13 What's your evidence? You can't make a claim from a lack of evidence, and "the church didn't liek this idea" probably because it was wrong! Jesus Himself founded the church, so that point doesn't add up at all
The Bible does speak of Jesus’ wife. His bride is the church. Those whom the Father gives to Him out of love, He lovingly receives. Salvation is rooted in this eternal love between the Father and the Son. Therefore, those whom God calls out to be given to Jesus are eternally guaranteed salvation in Him, through Him, and for Him. Christ loves His bride so much, that He descended Himself to the role of a humble man and died the miserable death of a common criminal for her.
They don read the whole bible,they just dint want to accept jesus as messiah.
They twist everything they can to deny the fact.
No one gonna mention how Jesus’ wife looks like Weird Al Yankovic
@UChmXVcy2D3s0jO59RtRvu2w Me too. Weird Al just has a nice face tbh.
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@@williamchamberlain2263 Saved to the spank bank
This is forbidden knowledge.
Dare to be stupid!
He was not married.
You met and asked him
@@clydewatkins6734 there's no solid proof to say he has a wife. Go look for the evidence first.
Wonderful video, as always! Random Q: Does anyone know the source / name of the portrait of Mary and Jesus used at 1:46?
It's the Madonna del Granduca, by Raphael
@@jaimesalamancacamacho1794 wonderful - thank you so much. Many years ago in Montreal I purchased a replica from a vintage market - painted on a small wooden frame. The owner informed me it was originally from Florence (which would make sense as Raphael is the artist). I was thrilled to see it for the first time elsewhere used in this video!
Hello there ! I'm from Montreal. After the French took possession of that island in the 16 th century, they named it "Ville Marie", in the honor of Virgin Mary, and long before that, the natives used to name it...Hochelaga.
Jesus didn’t have a wife
The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku goes into the suppressed Gospel of Mary Magdalene and it's a very interesting read. Good video! 🤘
It was never suppressed it was just ignored. It was spoken about by some church fathers as being a heresy. Cuz if is
@@SymphonyZach 😂
Oh my gosh I remember all those History Channel docs coming out about Mary's book being "hidden" from the bible!
If I remember correctly, it was also during the modern feminist boom of the late 2000s/early 2010s and very much felt like a product of that as well. Like the vibes of "ofc they cut the only woman's book out of the bible!"
What about Ester?
wouldn't have been the first and it wouldn't be the last time christians cut out a piece of the bible for an a agenda
@@itsaperfectionist4158 Martin Luther took out the Book of Judith
What about Lilith
@@ButtrNut32 Lilith is a Talmudic folktale. She was a teaching tool used by Rabbi to answer how demons/evil spirits came to be, based on a Babylonian deity. In some translations of the bible she's mentioned by name once in the book of Isaiah, but in some others they just use the phrase "night creature" or screech owl.
I won’t lie, whenever this topic came up, I would always wonder, “Then who is the disciple Jesus loved?” I had to do a project on John the Disciple, and most sources claim that he is the beloved disciple, but I just wonder, you know?
Because Jesus was a gay man in actuality
@@-Khepri honestly the more I researched it just made more sense that the man was gay
@@jenmilan1425 I’d say their relationship was certainly very gay, but not in the eros type of way, if you get what I mean.
@@-Khepri lies
@@Azelf89 I dont get what you mean 😅 could you please explain it?
if you like this topic i highly recommend reading “the book of longings” by sue monk kidd, it’s an great book about what jesus’s wife’s life would have been like
Take this with a grain of salt but I remember hearing somewhere that it would make sense for Jesus to be married because of the turning water into wine. I heard that in Jewish culture it was traditional for the groom to provide wine at a wedding. Therefore it would make sense that Mary (his mother) is telling him about the lack of wine at the wedding if it was his own. Again, I'm not 100% sure about this so if someone would care you fact check me I'd be super grateful, I just thought it was interesting.
This is accurate. It would have been considered extremely rude for a guest to involve themselves in the reception matters and especially the wine. The reception and wine was the groom’s responsibility. So yes, this could have most likely have been his wedding or they would have been kicked out for breaking wedding rules
Mary: "So, does this mean that since it's a fake I no longer receive alimony from his wine sales? Bummer."
Man I hope you start a podcast, the topics you cover are so interesting 10 minutes is just not enough
Seriously! Obviously there would be less visual elements but I’d love some long form content.
@@Thatotter223 I'm completely fine with that. If there was a topic that was lengthy to cover a video would take too long to make anyways. Just listening to him talk about it and maybe provide links to certain images would be enough for me
Would make for Amazing background noise while doing other stuff too, this man's voice Is incredibly calming
Ey bram could you make a video about the codex gigas? I think it would be pretty epic in your style of video
Great video like always. Would love to hear some books recommendations from you
Imagine two thousand years from now finding the writings from those of today. Sloppy writing, spelling and grammar mistakes. They would think everything was a forgery.
Isn't it? Most of the original writings come few hundred years after the assumed original events ... it's like they waitrd for all the potential witnesses to die of before setting the story to the public.
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The ancient world worked differently then
99 percent of people were illiterate and only the top brass can write but usually for bureacratic and business purposes, and it took a while to convert some rich folk who bothered to write down the events. As well as the fact many early Christians expected Jesus to return within their lifetimes so it doesn't make sense to write it down.
@@genghiskhan5701 Yeah, papyrus was expensive and hard to make, and no one would make errors while writing on it.
@@genghiskhan5701 People had the ten commandments written on tablets long time ago ... if they witnessed such an event, they would have written it somewhere ... a paper ... a stone ... or even a cave. It's just weird that it only surfaced few hundred years after the actual events.
It's like the roman empire was busy cleaning up evidence and then telling the story how they saw it while claiming they accepted the religion ... it was all politics as always.
I really adore this channel. History and art in one neat package. Any chance you can talk about those weird baby jesus in religious paintings?
You should check out the Vox video on this exact topic
Great video, may I ask what's the name of the music playing at 6:20?
Is there like a playlist of ur background music or something or is it a type of genre?
A historian once said that the chances that Jesus was married is very high as an unmarried Jewish man in those years would have been odd and therefore would have been mentioned. Being married was the norm so it was not necessary to mention it. I thought that was an interesting take.
That Historian expertise mustn't have been on 1st Century Judea then unfortunately. It was very common for traveling preachers not to have wives or start families. John the Baptist as a major example but its true for many of the various preachers of the time period
Jewish people did not have middle or last names back in those times or "Preach the word of deities"
Ahah. Jesus changed all norms in that society, some gospels say he offered to be single even. If we try put jesus in his society s norm box, he wouldnt be a popular man now already. I dont understand thia scholars who cant depart of searching a normal man s life vs searching a reformist s life. They think both of them acts the same way ad everyone acts
One thing I will say: the Catholics did not always force their priests and nuns into celibacy. That started 1,000 years ago when politics interfered with the church. Forcing Christian authority figures into celibacy actually goes directly against Christian doctrine. While celibacy is highly encouraged among the people of the Christian faith (in the bible) it is never mandated.
Without there being quote marks, "Jesus said my wife...." could just as easily be a record of person A talking to person B and the 'my wife' could be person A's wife. i.e. Jesus might have told a story to person A about person A's wife, and then person A related that to person B, and the latter exchange is what was recorded.
So even if the 21st century scratchings on some old papyrus were real and grammatically correct ancient writings, they still do not fill in any more of the holes in the Jesus character.
I mean, of all the tragedies and responsibilities he did all his lifetime - I think Jesus deserves to have someone special and to be wed with. 🥺
TFW when Borat says "my wife", he's actually reciting from the gospel.
I don't know why but, even though I've had bad religious trauma, especially with the Catholic Church, I love learning about so many religions. It's so interesting and sort of gives me a comfort of some sort.
I'm sorry you had to go through that, my fellow ex-Catholic brother or sister.✊💯
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Yeah small wonder there buddy, think the pendulum swung a little too sharply the other way
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 hilarious and original 🤓
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 i don't know if this is sarcasm or an insult but thank you for noticing my PFP, i made it a while ago and i think it's cool :)
@@random_annoying_kid7371 No to the first, yes to the second.
Fun fact: Dan Brown didn't come up with a lot of this stuff: he basically ripped it off from Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince's "The Templar Revelation," printed only a few years earlier, and added a thriller / mystery framing to it. They tried to sue Dan Brown, but because they published their book as "non-fiction" (without any facts), they lost.
love Holchelaga uploads 🥰 would love if you considered covering the third heaven or Metatron ❤️
Dude this is one of the only channels where as soon as I get that notification I watch.
Jesus never had a wife. This is heresy.
You are his wife
if this channel was a pool i would swim in it all day
I can't help but feel that this was a reference to borat, "then Jesus said, 'my wife"... lol
10:06 Dan Brown was not on to something. But rather Henry Lincoln, Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh in 1982. Dan Brown simply read the their work and made a novel around the idea.
And they weren’t onto anything besides stupidity. It’s easily disproven
Christianity itself was fairly fringe, until Constantine decided to use it. If Constantine decided to favor one fringe interpretation or another, then that would have become what was forced-fed to the empire, becoming what the majority would be taught and end up believing.
constantine didnt make decisions at the councils. the college of bishops did. you can read them.
Imagine if a thing this small can throw a wrench in how we perceive history. Makes you wonder about all those small similar stuff that happened that changed or could have changed how we perceive an entire religion.
I heard that, the face on the statue of liberty, is also meant to be Mary Magdalene (as also hinted at, in the intro to American Dad) 🤔
I don’t care if it’s not in the canon, JesusXMagdalene will always be my OTP!
Same
See, this is the kind of celebrity gossip I can get behind xD
i have recently found your channel very addictive with the way of production, great choice of music and great narration. i would like to make a request of going about islamic culture if possible. Much appreciated.
I've been hankering for more biblical apocrypha from this channel, and here we are.
Great work,!
As always I loved this video.
You have a very unique style and way of teaching that makes me want to learn more.
I cannot wait to dive further into this topic further while having breakfast with my husband.
Keep up the good work !
Hello dear,how are you doing,i hope your good?
the bible seriously be having its own expanded universe and legends material
ever thought about making a podcast? your voice is soothing i’m pretty sure it would put a lot of ppl to sleep.
First of all i love your channel.
Second, your name is literally the name of a neighborhood in the city i live in.
I'm a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints and we believe that marriage is necessary for salvation, so Jesus would have to have been married, he couldn't have been a rabbi unless he had a wife, some members of my church even believe Jesus had three wives, which was a common practice for rabbis of the time.
Okay explain the logic here. Jesus came to save people. People must also marry to be saved. LDS, if I'm not mistaken, only counts straight couples. Given a nearly equal number of men and women in the world, would Jesus taking two extra wives not condemn two random men to be single and therefore unsaved? Seems counterproductive.
@@generatoralignmentdevalue I don't see what gay marriage has to do with it although yes we believe that acting on a same sex attraction, key word is acting not feeling, is a sin. There is a larger population of women than men as always has been, more so two thousand years ago as women were protected like gold, and men died in larger quantities do to war which women, for the most part did not participate in. So your wrong.
@@channelnamepending8329 You're wrong to think gay marriage is in anyway disgusting, but the position that you should sexually suppress yourself is disgusting.
I remember seeing this in the news when it was first found, everyone lost their minds
Galatians 6:7
7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a person sows, this he will also reap.
Could’ve been a parable, comparing if a man who isn’t him had a wife to whatever he was speaking on.
Jesus said to them, (Borat voice) "My Wife
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I'm all for making Jesus more human
As a Biblical Christian I find this is a fascinating study. The Bible does not confirm or deny that Jesus was married, thus it is possible that he took a wife during his time with humanity. Whether or not Jesus Christ had /had not a wife does not change his ministry.
But it would change a lot the way all Christians churches take women in.
@@paxanimi3896 I think we're on the same page, in that women should have equal status in the church as pastors, elders, and so on. Right?
@@danielscallon7515. I think an all powerful god, who is behind the true church, should end so many wrongdoings done by his followers.
@@paxanimi3896 How so?
Wow. You need more subscribers. I've never seen someone with such little amounts of subscribers, yet the quality is superb. Keep it up!
I absolutely love this channels biblical stuff
So you're saying this is the first historical instance of non-canon fan shippings
One of the major problems I have with this is that it is automatically assumed that the script is a genuine, accurate record. Fiction, humour, misinformation - these are not recent phenomena. It's a possibility that this script was written to reflect the beliefs of a certain religious group rather than a witness statement.
What is the name of the painting at 5:50?
Doesn’t the Bible often call the church a woman and doesn’t Jesus call the church his wife a few times throughout the Bible? Maybe this is in relation to that?
The Hochelaga were an extinct Iroquoian people located on the site of present Montreal. I'm curious how you came to adopt the name for your TH-cam channel. As far as Jeshua having a wife, it would have been almost unheard of, even almost regarded as a sin, for a Jewish man to remain single. The verse in Genesis "The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” was taken seriously!
Thanks for the background on the name! I was wondering that too.
If we see the the new testament as a work of a fantasy author, being publish with fanfiction as several author collaborated their own versions, with published letters and fandom discussions, this piece of fanfiction was just not considered canon by a lot of the fandom
This whole time, Borat was just Quoting Jesus...
Like a lot of others, I really enjoy your content. I'm not religious, but religion is a fascinating subject wrt historicity, antiquity, the power (and problem) of belief, the search for meaning, etc. However, though "we know very little about Jesus's life" he _definitely_ wasn't a white dude.
Y’all need to watch the entire video before you yell in the comments.
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I'd love to see some more Gnostic content from you. It's such an interesting obscure view of Christianity.
I didn't have to wait long for the da Vinci Code reference. Thank God.