Spot on. I would also add that breathing correctly is an important component of this. Having struggled with shoulder and upper back pain from guitar for years this is something I'm only just starting to learn.
I like that Zoe goes against strict Classical Convention... 1) She stands to play, which in my opinion is a much healthier ergonomic way to play, much easier on the back in the long term 2) Her instrument uses Cypress/Sycamore back and sides, Spruce top and flat bridge of a flamenco guitar (short sustain/attack, brighter tone)... rather than rosewood/mahogany back&sides, cedar/spruce top (longer sustain, more overtones)
Hi Zoe, A very interesting explanation and resolve of a widespread problem among classical guitarists. I am a very amateur player whose body is the wrong shape to play any guitar. I have a stomach that prompts many people to ask 'When is it due?' I have fairly recently joined an online guitar school and this has enabled me to examine my posture. I did try the strap and standing method but found that the guitar was always trying to roll around my stomach so returned to the three point contact afforded by sitting. The challenge of course is to lose some weight but even so from a child I have possessed the pregnant stomach (I am a man). As a retired Health & Safety advisor, I have delivered much advice on such problems as manual handling, repetitive movements and postural arrangements that make a great deal of difference to the well being of the person so involved. Well done on sharing your difficulties and solutions. Andy
I'm sometimes kinda pessimistic too when worrying about something wrong with me. I go from bad to worst only with few thoughts. You also alerted us about the hazard of searching our symtoms by ourselves. Thanks for sharing your experience so considerately, Zoe!
Performing with a strap in a standing position is not rare among early instruments( lutes and guitars from XVIth to XIXth c.) players - including myself. I also tried with the classic guitar, that was fine excepted for reaching the upper range, above the 12th fret, but Miss Barnett has found the way to solve this problem, so I thank her and I'll try again.
Wow, Zoe! just Wow!....who'd a thunk it?....making me rethink my everyday physical frame when doing ANYTHING physical. Thank you so much!! Cheers, Damon
German Duo Sonar used to/still do? play standing up---but brave girl Zoe to be presenting these issues that many of us probably cover up most of the time?
Interesting, i worked a lot about the postural on the guitar. It took me three years to achieve a body respectful position. I’m agree with her about the % of injuried musician. Around me there is five/six guitarist. Half were injuried by the guitar.
I applaud you for doing what is necessary for You! But I'm a little confused - you showed a photo of your arm with tape or something on it, as well as one with your arm heavily bandaged. I thought you were going to say that you had surgery, but it appears not.
The classical guitar traditional seating position is simply TERRIBLE. Tárrega invented it, but Segovia popularised, not because it was a more natural seating position to play the guitar, but because he HATED Spanish popular music (where and when he was born, that means flamenco) and tried to distance himself from it by all means necessary, including the seating position. In other words, it was a snub at Spanish popular music at the time. The rest is history. Personally, I've always found the position most uncomfortable, I can feel body tension everywhere, the guitar often slides away from me, and I feel that I lose the physical "connection" with the instrument, which is a natural embrace. Sadly, the snub continues to this day in conservatories and auditoriums all over the world: if you don't sit in the classical position, you cannot possibly be a classical guitarist, or at least not a good one, in the tradition of the greats of time past. Yet the flamenco players were right all along, theirs is the most natural position. The irony is that, these days, there is another great classical guitarist that sits in a position very similar to the flamenco guitarists after having to deal with body pains too. His name is Ricardo Gallén. I said it is an irony because he was born in the same city as Andrés Segovia, that is, in Linares (Jaén).
Spot on. I would also add that breathing correctly is an important component of this. Having struggled with shoulder and upper back pain from guitar for years this is something I'm only just starting to learn.
I like that Zoe goes against strict Classical Convention... 1) She stands to play, which in my opinion is a much healthier ergonomic way to play, much easier on the back in the long term 2) Her instrument uses Cypress/Sycamore back and sides, Spruce top and flat bridge of a flamenco guitar (short sustain/attack, brighter tone)... rather than rosewood/mahogany back&sides, cedar/spruce top (longer sustain, more overtones)
Hi Zoe, A very interesting explanation and resolve of a widespread problem among classical guitarists. I am a very amateur player whose body is the wrong shape to play any guitar. I have a stomach that prompts many people to ask 'When is it due?' I have fairly recently joined an online guitar school and this has enabled me to examine my posture. I did try the strap and standing method but found that the guitar was always trying to roll around my stomach so returned to the three point contact afforded by sitting. The challenge of course is to lose some weight but even so from a child I have possessed the pregnant stomach (I am a man). As a retired Health & Safety advisor, I have delivered much advice on such problems as manual handling, repetitive movements and postural arrangements that make a great deal of difference to the well being of the person so involved. Well done on sharing your difficulties and solutions.
Andy
I'm sometimes kinda pessimistic too when worrying about something wrong with me. I go from bad to worst only with few thoughts. You also alerted us about the hazard of searching our symtoms by ourselves. Thanks for sharing your experience so considerately, Zoe!
Performing with a strap in a standing position is not rare among early instruments( lutes and guitars from XVIth to XIXth c.) players - including myself. I also tried with the classic guitar, that was fine excepted for reaching the upper range, above the 12th fret, but Miss Barnett has found the way to solve this problem, so I thank her and I'll try again.
Wow, Zoe! just Wow!....who'd a thunk it?....making me rethink my everyday physical frame when doing ANYTHING physical. Thank you so much!! Cheers, Damon
Go Zoe Barnett!
German Duo Sonar used to/still do? play standing up---but brave girl Zoe to be presenting these issues that many of us probably cover up most of the time?
Awesome 👏
Interesting, i worked a lot about the postural on the guitar. It took me three years to achieve a body respectful position. I’m agree with her about the % of injuried musician. Around me there is five/six guitarist. Half were injuried by the guitar.
I applaud you for doing what is necessary for You! But I'm a little confused - you showed a photo of your arm with tape or something on it, as well as one with your arm heavily bandaged. I thought you were going to say that you had surgery, but it appears not.
The classical guitar traditional seating position is simply TERRIBLE. Tárrega invented it, but Segovia popularised, not because it was a more natural seating position to play the guitar, but because he HATED Spanish popular music (where and when he was born, that means flamenco) and tried to distance himself from it by all means necessary, including the seating position. In other words, it was a snub at Spanish popular music at the time. The rest is history. Personally, I've always found the position most uncomfortable, I can feel body tension everywhere, the guitar often slides away from me, and I feel that I lose the physical "connection" with the instrument, which is a natural embrace. Sadly, the snub continues to this day in conservatories and auditoriums all over the world: if you don't sit in the classical position, you cannot possibly be a classical guitarist, or at least not a good one, in the tradition of the greats of time past. Yet the flamenco players were right all along, theirs is the most natural position. The irony is that, these days, there is another great classical guitarist that sits in a position very similar to the flamenco guitarists after having to deal with body pains too. His name is Ricardo Gallén. I said it is an irony because he was born in the same city as Andrés Segovia, that is, in Linares (Jaén).
Perhaps she could do the malmsteen trick 😅