I have a 21 cforce 500s and have had 0 issues with it, very satisfied with it being my first Cfmoto atv. Only thing that gets me is the jerky take off, which is a common issue with that brand.
You have to have your foot on the foot brake to shift gears and to start if it is in gear or the starter will not engage. I have a 21 cforce 800 xc touring. It now has 5500 km on it. (3416 miles/250 hours) just had some starting issues on it. The main relay and the fuel pump relay. was starting to get a little flaky so I replaced them. works good now. Ordered the relays off Amazon five relays for 22 bucks. So I have spares now. Just been doing regular maintenance on. It seems to be good so far. I’m a mechanic so it wasn’t hard to figure out. The quality of these machines seems to be pretty good to me.
I bought a 2023 CFMoto Uforce 1000, last year they wanted $12,998 plus all the crap you are talking about, which moved up to $15,000. I said no, I give you $12,000 cash and they said ok and the first thing I did was to put a new MSC stag 3 trail clutch and I love the machine. I really appreciate your honesty on everything you do and say on your channel.
@@freedomisntfree_44 At least Japanese Brand names still mean something, as long as everything chinese is made by the communists ,Brand names mean nothing and cant be trusted because of it.
Well if you take care of your new Yamaha the way this unit was taken care of, you will also have lots of problems. This is a perfect example of why I never buy used……especially with ATV’s and SXS’s. That owner probably totally flooded the machine.
The prices on new ATV's, snowmobiles, SXS's etc. are insane. I bought a brand new, Honda 4×4 TRX 350 in 86. It cost me $3,500. Out the door. Nicely equipped & even had racks. Yeah, I'm cheap, but can't see where they've changed a lot throughout the years. To justify the massive price increase. One of those, today, will still outlast what's being made today.
I agree, and thats why I've looked at the CF Motos. But also, $3500 in 1986 is equivalent to just over $10,000 today, which would buy a loaded 400-500 class Japanese (auto, 4x4, irs, eps, front locker sometimes) or even a basic 700 class.
Good video. I had a 2022 Cforce 1000 in May 2022. I put 3,500 km (2,200 mi) and I think it was around 300 hours. I blew two radiator fan fuses the first weekend I had it. That was it, no other problems the whole time. The clutching was much better than the 600. I hate how loud that 600 is at just cruising speed. But the twins seem to be much better. Anyway, I just traded my atv in for a new Zforce 950 sport g2. Hope I get the same reliability I already had. Cfmoto have a bad rep just for being Chinese, which I really get a kick out of because the people complaining are doing so on their Chinese made iPhones haha.
I have owned 2 cfmotos now one a cforce 800xc and the one I have now is a zforce 950 ho ex, and so far I didn’t run into any issues with both just regular maintenance, also probably cause I don’t always go full send into the mud and neglect it like lots of people do and then it breaks and they say “ these things are junk” as a 310t mechanic that’s been in trade for almost 10 years I can say biggest part of having equipment last long is good maintenance
@ yeah , but not everyone is going to get a good bike unfortunately it’s quantity over quality nowadays even in the name brand bikes , for the price and what you get with these machines is a good deal, and cfmoto has been getting better with the fit and finish with there products, I see allot more cfmoto and Segway SxS and atv’s on the trails
I agree, quality has gone down across all brands unfortunately. That’s why now a days i can’t justify spending that kind of money on any of the machines. I’ll stick with used ones.
I would also agree with the popularity of these machines I’ve got a couple buddies with them but as always solenoid problems and issues with the headlights but no motor issues so far 😁👌
I bought a GPX 300 2-stroke and so far I'm happy with it. Not much electronics on it... still has a carb...got it 2k off from factory at the dealer, no set up, no freight ect...
I have a 2020 Hisun Tactic 2up...1300 miles, garage kept, typical trail mud, most trail rider, it's been a good bike. It's all how you treat your machine
Well all brands have problems, Actually ive seen more problems with polaris 570's lately than cf force, I was skeptical at first but they're actually hold up pretty good
@@eastkingstonnh nothing for them to learn, they're a great product with few issues, no more or less than ANY other brands!!!! You wait and see just how far they go...will be top brand in just a few years!!!
A lot of things are made in china now. But it is the quality standard they are made to, known good brands order better quality parts to be made in general. Others just slap on whatever is cheaper.
What people tend to forget about when it comes to products like the iPhone is, while made in China, Apple controls the mfg specifications of how it is built. They choose the materials, the standards and control the OQE that go into their production units. Nobody is saying that EVERYTHING made in China is bad, but when you have a Chinese company that is deciding on the materials/standards/quality/etc and they are building on the cheap, that is when you have issues. I never listen to opinions from vidoes or even comments in the chat about how their cfmoto is trouble free.....bc I feel that everyone is biased to a degree. The true test is going to forums and seeing what the majority of threads are based around. Every cfmoto forum I look through is inundated with people having problems/issues. I'd say at least 9 out of 10 posts are like that.
Every manufacture charges delivery ect. Get an out the door price on a comparable model and the massive price difference will be there. We just bought a 2024 Uforce 600 brand new from Main street cycle for $9900 out the door. Local dealership near us wanted like $14K
Listen for the injector pump before cranking it over occasionally on my 520 it doesn’t fire up think it’s fuel pump relay but not often, my 625 and side by side have 0 issues in three years
I an considering getting rid of those miniature relays and rewire with standard Heavy Duty Automotive Relays - also sometimes the Headlight Switch Contacts - have to keep working them to make contact. Like you said the Electrical is a pain.
My 2022 600 has 3900 miles and 206 hours on it now. I had to change the swingarm bushings snd nothing else yet. My model already had way better clutching than previous ones luckily. 7800 Eur out the door. Similar yamaha is 14 000 for streetlegal one though.
That’s great to hear that yours is treating you well! Obviously by the caked on mud of this one, I’m sure the owner doesn’t take care of it as much as he should.
@@rockspowersports i think so too! I maintain it myself and also keep it clean. Btw the gear grinding is "normal" on these, need adjustment. But mine has never done it again after about 1000 miles, i was careful with it too.
Honda, and Yamaha should have reasonable quality electrical components, as their suppliers are usually from other Japanese companies. I’m not aware of too many electrical issues with Honda, or Yamaha. Over time starters, power steering motors, electric shift motors, and in some cases electronic fuel pumps can go bad, but for the most part they fare pretty well.
I have 3 hondas and 2 yamahas. The problem with the yamahas in the assembled in USA part. Sadly on my '20 wolverine x2 the roof was installed backwards (no joke), the drivers seatbelt was installed flipped over, one bolt on the skid plate had a broken head and one was stripped. My '23 grizzly has the alignment off. Not to impressed by my fellow american craftsmanship. My 2020 honda rubicon had the dct problem that took them a year to figure out which was 95% resolved with a software update. Overall I would pick the grizzly over my rubicon. Once gone through the bikes have been reliable and I would still pick them over the competition.
@ Yeah the DCT programing had to be revised due to overheating issues. I have heard things like that about Yamaha before, like with the handlebars. I’ve never really noticed any issues like that with Hondas, their manufacturing process is pretty good. I know the model I have has been out since 2014, but it’s a proven platform, and some of it in the model before that. I’ve looked it over pretty good, checking the bolts, frame components, etc. It’s put together well.
I’ve never had any good luck on honda Chinese CDIs I had one that someone else had previous put on but it was basically new and it dang near burned the whole thing down but when working on a cf moto u might as well use them since there’s no difference lol love the videos keep up the good work
I had a 2019 Zforce 800 I can confirm it's true starter solenoid and the key switch were always bad it was covered with a tarp as well you needed to keep turning the key on and off for the starter to engage. And then injectors went bad then replaced em then sold It
The first thing you do when you buy a CF moto is put a clutch kit in right away and upgrade your brakes. No surprise that there’s a delay in the clutch right now. They tuned like that from factory.
Have a 2021 CFORCE 500 has been in the shop more than it has been rode - they have changed ignition switch twice handle bar switch twice and they claimed they have done other changes ECM Replaced. I still have trouble getting the fuel pump to kick in - If you do not hear the fuel pump prime up it is not going to crank. Also watch the temperature gauge very close the relay for the fan will not kick in and it will run hot quick. I guess I just got a lemon.
I have the same bike but 1 seater it's a 2021 I've not really had too many problems with it With over 3000 miles now. The winch solenoid had to be replaced and a bolt came lose in the rear pinyin. Easy fix both times. But I do wish I bought a Yamaha 700 that's what I was going to get.
I would have left the yamaha solenoid on, and just fused the ignition/acc side with same 40A fuse, and left it like that. Safe and reliable solution there.
I paid out the door $16000 for 2 new 600 cc They rake you through the coals on all the setup and shipping extras. Mine is the single 600 I could not find any touring addition for a year while looking. I think mine are 2021 3yrs old.
To be. Honest, I've owned a lot of 4 wheelers.And I don't find them any better or any worse.Then most new brands No nothing compares to the older four wheelers that did last forever
Yeah I know people with cf motos that are just a couple of years old. One ripped of the trailer hitch from the frame just by normal use! Just look at the fram and a-arms etc compared to other brands. And as you said, alot of electrical issues. The newer ones are alot better i have heard but the price gap is also alot smaller compared to can am /polaris . I have a 2016 can am outlander 1000 with 600 hours on it and i have not even changed the battery yet 💪 greets from a snowy sweden
Hey rock powersports have you tried using a riding mower solenoid those are generally pretty good quality may have to do some modifying because they generally ground through the mounting hardware
Had alot of issues with the starter solenoids on my 14 yamaha grizzly 450. I have prolly replaced it 5 times now over the years i have owned it since brand new. Replaced it this summer again with a new starter, the original starter went out finally. Now i will say it wasnt an oem solenoid so thats prolly the issue. Just ebay specials.
Around me all dealers charge the shipping crating, assemble fees to all units. In the showroom or ordered. I’ve got a new uforce and new sportsman high lifter
Cfmoto you need to replace all fuses and relays for better ones and dialectic grease all plugs and connectors. Did that day one on our race bike never a issue
I agree.... I've heard the electrical is bad on these, gotta dielectric grease everything once ya get it. Theres alot of parts on a quad, and it might look good from afar, but the cheap parts reflect in the price. It comes with nice rims, winch, nice guage, fake piggy back shocks, bumpers etc etc. But if ya gotta keep fixing stuff and having breakdowns than its all worthless. I noticed the plastics are super thin and bendy compared to other brands. And the resale is bad.... it might be cheaper initially, but after 3 years, the guy that paid more for the can am or yamaha or honda will get most their money back, where the CFmoto will need to be given away.
Die electric grease is actually a bad conductor for electrical componets. It's intended to keep the rubber in connectors from sticking. What can keep moisture out will also keep moisture in.
I have 2 of these 600 CFmoto's and my problem is cheap batteries, the battery post are junk and too soft. I have less than 100 mile on both and have had to replace the batteries.
It’s pretty tough to buy anything that isn’t made in China these days…. However, I will continue to support my American brothers and sisters by buying Polaris..
All my local dealers make u pay for shipping here in nova scotia too. i think its 499 or 599 flat rate if i remember right. All brands do this unless its a used machine in my area anyways
Great video, Rock. Japanese Only for me. With everything you know and all your experience, it surprises me that you’d consider buying a Chinese machine. Maybe because you are so proficient at working on them. Give me a used Japanese bike any and every time. Love the content. Love when you take the victory loop/lap. Peace
Thanks i appreciate that. Honestly the only reason i was in the market for the 400 was because it was cheap and I wanted to give it a good beating and see how it held up. So much for the “cheap price”
I have a 2023 600 touring and it stated doing the same thing! If ya go to speed cluster go to volts se what you're volts putting out when running ! If it is like 12 something you're running off battery ! My problem ended up being the black plastic box by battery has 2 big red wires going into it ! It's a fusible link one of the red wires back ot of the box enough to loose connection and it won't charge batt! Push wires in real good and 14.2 is what my volts read now! Bad connection
@rockspowersports I drove the 2024 Overland 1000. Great machine. I have hear alot of great reviews on these. But I ride a 2023 Sportsman xp1000 with ride command and a 2023 Arctic Cat Alterra 600 limited.
My buddy gets tired of fan fuse blown on his 2022 cfmoto 600 seems like happens as he go fast through water, now he doesn’t use fuse anymore, he using the one that reset itself thing not know what it’s called . Now he’s happy camper!!! Tie rods bolts mess up thinking factory didn’t tight enough. One a arm bent and thrown him off broke his ribs and dislocated shoulder after he gas that thing while in right turn!!!! He still thinks it’s a great buy though haha!!!
That is way too early to loose a sealed-starter-solenoid. Its tricky, parts availability long term, questionable even with the most well supported CFmoto (compared to Segway\Argo etc.) I've seen base King quad 750's even with power steering for 10,500$ Cdn ($7500 USD) I appreciate you get a free winch\wheels\powersteering (At this point all ATV's should have it, cmon Yamaha\Suzuki\Polaris) with a CFmoto, but I haven't had much luck with Chinese winches when you really need them. Polaris 570 as well close to that, I think they sold a lot of these during Covid, but these days with prices soaring, mmmm, a hard sell.
@@rockspowersports Those additional fees are rediculous, I know sometimes dealers charge like "setup" fees that can be 800$, but a pricing structure like that, with 25%+ of the total cost hidden, rediculous. (Also the 800 and 1000 are so humongous, maybe you can get one in for repairs sometime to check it out) Enjoy your videos as always, we have the cold and snow now here in Alberta, sigh.
Could be corroded. Very easy fix. I rode a 250R Honda 3 wheeler years ago and it had so many electrical gremlins that when I hit the throttle it will cut off and on. Traded it for a four stroke 200X four wheeler that ran great until I met a tree.
New Atvs in todays market are gonna run you easily 10 grand on something really decent with some bells and whistles plus another 500-1000 from the dealership cost and then tax and reg your almost a used car out the door lol
there is one good thing about cf moto..... you can buy parts..... Buy Japan or polaris..... they are almost the same in price and you can get parts.... example... textron stampede.... nice rig no longer produced and no parts!
When it comes to Chinese electronics off eBay, you have to factor in that Chinese Watts/Amps are 1/10th of a Watt/Amp from the rest of the world. If you need a solenoid that can handle 100A, you need one that can handle 1000 Chinese Amps. 😂
I believe the cf motos will be getting the 60-100% chinese tariffs? I would imagine that this will hurt their pricing. I believe the japanese and canadian models will be getting a 10-20% tariff? Can anyone confirm this?
My 2021 600 won’t start. Starter is bad. Have to remove the rear clutch housing cover to get it out. Have it loose but won’t come past the housing. Engineers…
That's why they're cheap but where you going to get all that for 8 Grand I have a brand new Polaris 570 Sportsman 1000 mi in the rectifier went bad I just think it's poorly made stuff maybe we can get Elon in there to make good stuff cheap like he does with SpaceX
The extra fees are those scummy chinese products dealers being scummy i know it costs money to import these things but that should be included in the price the advertised price or you mentioned some the fees arent mentioned in the fine print thats illegal and has been so since the mid 70's not sure how one would prosecute that though
Comment love Frm CHI CDI from CHINA for a YAMAHA BLASTER are JUNK TOO and thinking it WAS ALwAYS JETTING and after 6 different combinations with NO CHANGE I switched out for OEM and IT RAN AWESOME AGAIN. No CHINA ELECTRICAL
I do not trust used ATV in my area the put snorkel kits on them and see just how deep down in the mud they can bury one - Muddy Bottoms ATV Park is about half mile from where I live. People have more money than brains - spend thousands of dollars just to go out and destroy a new ride.
Nope 1 year in USA is all they come with and also the 5 year doesn’t cover everything , as I’m in Canada and cf moto comes with 5 year but they only cover 1 year bumper to bumper and the other 4 years is just engine and drive train , also the clutches are only warranties for 90 days on cf moto , I’ve owned all brands and decided to buy a cf moto and give one a try I’ve had zero issues , I’m a canam technician and can say event the new canams have electrical fail early , had to replace a main harness on a 2023 canam with 700kms on it , and have seen plenty of other electrical issues with canam , so they aren’t perfect , but yeah they are better quality , but I still don’t belive they are worth the price , when customers still have simple problems
CF Moto are junk especially the older ones. My 2014 C-Force 800 has been nothing but trouble ever since I bought it. Ya it has really good power but ever since I put 2000 miles on it it's been broken in 1 way or another. Changed Starter solenoid at just over 2000 miles. 2,400 miles I had to put a new water pump and drive belt on it. Ignition switch replaced rite at 2,650, radiator fan replaced rite around 2,800 miles. Starter replaced at 3.255 miles. It currently has 3,386 miles on it and the front wheel bearings are going out.
Its funny how people knock Chinese parts.. as if virtually everything they own isnt also made in china. Even your american made cars and motorcycles are loaded with Chinese components.. mainly electronics. Weird..
😂 I would... I thought about taking a 1985 Moto4 to a mechanic to get it running, and it's got plastics falling off, holes over the wheels, mud all over the engine... What stopped me is that I don't have the money to pay for someone to look at it.
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I have a 21 cforce 500s and have had 0 issues with it, very satisfied with it being my first Cfmoto atv. Only thing that gets me is the jerky take off, which is a common issue with that brand.
Glad to hear you’ve had no issues, it sounds like a lot of people are doing clutch kits to help with the take off issues.
@ That’s true I’ve thought about ordering for mine as well, or just might leave it be 🤣🤣🤣
I cleaned out my clutch and belt housing if you put dry lube on the clutch cones (not near the belt) it engages smoothly
Just purchased a 2025 CF 800. Always had Honda , Yamaha & arctic cat. Hopefully the 2025 have improved !
I have a 21 cforce 600 and love it i have had 0 issues, I can let it sit in my garage for months and go out and it starts right up and runs great. !
You have to have your foot on the foot brake to shift gears and to start if it is in gear or the starter will not engage. I have a 21 cforce 800 xc touring. It now has 5500 km on it. (3416 miles/250 hours) just had some starting issues on it. The main relay and the fuel pump relay. was starting to get a little flaky so I replaced them. works good now. Ordered the relays off Amazon five relays for 22 bucks. So I have spares now. Just been doing regular maintenance on. It seems to be good so far. I’m a mechanic so it wasn’t hard to figure out. The quality of these machines seems to be pretty good to me.
I bought a 2023 CFMoto Uforce 1000, last year they wanted $12,998 plus all the crap you are talking about, which moved up to $15,000. I said no, I give you $12,000 cash and they said ok and the first thing I did was to put a new MSC stag 3 trail clutch and I love the machine. I really appreciate your honesty on everything you do and say on your channel.
Talked my mother-in-law into a 2024 can am 700xt. Man is it nice. We are both fellow Vermonters. Great video you earned another sub.
Awesome, I haven’t had the chance to try the new Big single Cylinders from Can am.
@@rockspowersports they are great, i own one as well, but i already see some problems with them when they are in for service. (BRP dealer tech)
This is why i love my new Yamaha kodiak, the stuff you cant see makes a difference.
Can’t beat the Japanese models 🤙
@@freedomisntfree_44 At least Japanese Brand names still mean something, as long as everything chinese is made by the communists ,Brand names mean nothing and cant be trusted because of it.
Kodiak 450 or the 700?
Well if you take care of your new Yamaha the way this unit was taken care of, you will also have lots of problems. This is a perfect example of why I never buy used……especially with ATV’s and SXS’s. That owner probably totally flooded the machine.
I just bought a 24 Kodiak 700 about a month ago and I love it
Love the sign in the front yard. Well played sir.
Had to replay that to catch it I completely agree😊
Cf moto owner...zero issues...ZERO!!!!!
The prices on new ATV's, snowmobiles, SXS's etc. are insane. I bought a brand new, Honda 4×4 TRX 350 in 86. It cost me $3,500. Out the door. Nicely equipped & even had racks. Yeah, I'm cheap, but can't see where they've changed a lot throughout the years. To justify the massive price increase. One of those, today, will still outlast what's being made today.
I agree, and thats why I've looked at the CF Motos. But also, $3500 in 1986 is equivalent to just over $10,000 today, which would buy a loaded 400-500 class Japanese (auto, 4x4, irs, eps, front locker sometimes) or even a basic 700 class.
@@TheNotimprezed Well equivalent in inflation not pay!!
@@a.c.m.e.ink.4568 100%!
3,5 k in 1986 is around 9,5 k now due to inflation
Looks like a permanent transition to the 2 wire starter relay would be a huge improvement
Good video. I had a 2022 Cforce 1000 in May 2022. I put 3,500 km (2,200 mi) and I think it was around 300 hours. I blew two radiator fan fuses the first weekend I had it. That was it, no other problems the whole time. The clutching was much better than the 600. I hate how loud that 600 is at just cruising speed. But the twins seem to be much better. Anyway, I just traded my atv in for a new Zforce 950 sport g2. Hope I get the same reliability I already had. Cfmoto have a bad rep just for being Chinese, which I really get a kick out of because the people complaining are doing so on their Chinese made iPhones haha.
oh yeah, the 600 is VERY loud while cruising lol. To the point i have thought about installing some kind of custom exhaust on it to quiet it down.
I have a 2023 CFORCE 400 touring, zero issues runs great, pretty powerful for a 400
I have owned 2 cfmotos now one a cforce 800xc and the one I have now is a zforce 950 ho ex, and so far I didn’t run into any issues with both just regular maintenance, also probably cause I don’t always go full send into the mud and neglect it like lots of people do and then it breaks and they say “ these things are junk” as a 310t mechanic that’s been in trade for almost 10 years I can say biggest part of having equipment last long is good maintenance
Glad to hear yours have treated you well. Obviously you can tell this one has been neglected just by looking at it.
@ yeah , but not everyone is going to get a good bike unfortunately it’s quantity over quality nowadays even in the name brand bikes , for the price and what you get with these machines is a good deal, and cfmoto has been getting better with the fit and finish with there products, I see allot more cfmoto and Segway SxS and atv’s on the trails
I agree, quality has gone down across all brands unfortunately. That’s why now a days i can’t justify spending that kind of money on any of the machines. I’ll stick with used ones.
I would also agree with the popularity of these machines I’ve got a couple buddies with them but as always solenoid problems and issues with the headlights but no motor issues so far 😁👌
I bought a GPX 300 2-stroke and so far I'm happy with it. Not much electronics on it... still has a carb...got it 2k off from factory at the dealer, no set up, no freight ect...
Bought it from mechanical innovations in wannaska mn
I have a 2020 Hisun Tactic 2up...1300 miles, garage kept, typical trail mud, most trail rider, it's been a good bike. It's all how you treat your machine
Well all brands have problems, Actually ive seen more problems with polaris 570's lately than cf force, I was skeptical at first but they're actually hold up pretty good
One of the first times I've heard you really dis a manufacturer. It's good for them to hear, maybe they'll learn.
@@eastkingstonnh nothing for them to learn, they're a great product with few issues, no more or less than ANY other brands!!!! You wait and see just how far they go...will be top brand in just a few years!!!
newsflash all the other brands have chinese parts as well
A lot of things are made in china now. But it is the quality standard they are made to, known good brands order better quality parts to be made in general. Others just slap on whatever is cheaper.
What people tend to forget about when it comes to products like the iPhone is, while made in China, Apple controls the mfg specifications of how it is built. They choose the materials, the standards and control the OQE that go into their production units. Nobody is saying that EVERYTHING made in China is bad, but when you have a Chinese company that is deciding on the materials/standards/quality/etc and they are building on the cheap, that is when you have issues.
I never listen to opinions from vidoes or even comments in the chat about how their cfmoto is trouble free.....bc I feel that everyone is biased to a degree. The true test is going to forums and seeing what the majority of threads are based around. Every cfmoto forum I look through is inundated with people having problems/issues. I'd say at least 9 out of 10 posts are like that.
Its the same with polaris and can am
Every manufacture charges delivery ect. Get an out the door price on a comparable model and the massive price difference will be there. We just bought a 2024 Uforce 600 brand new from Main street cycle for $9900 out the door. Local dealership near us wanted like $14K
That is why we have stuck with Honda since the 300! Had a Yamaha big bear too!
Can't wait for some snowmobile videos!
Should be coming pretty soon.
Listen for the injector pump before cranking it over occasionally on my 520 it doesn’t fire up think it’s fuel pump relay but not often, my 625 and side by side have 0 issues in three years
The older I get the more I love my Japanese machines. Problem free for many years when treated properly
Cant beat the big 4 Japanese manufacturers man! Love my Honda Rincon
Got 2022 cforce 600 no issues Also have 2022 cforce 800xc no issues plenty of power.. 😊😊
I've used solenoids from orielys made for cars and trucks, and they work fine. Ive ised one off and old tractor on a atv as well.
I an considering getting rid of those miniature relays and rewire with standard Heavy Duty Automotive Relays - also sometimes the Headlight Switch Contacts - have to keep working them to make contact. Like you said the Electrical is a pain.
My 2022 600 has 3900 miles and 206 hours on it now. I had to change the swingarm bushings snd nothing else yet. My model already had way better clutching than previous ones luckily.
7800 Eur out the door. Similar yamaha is 14 000 for streetlegal one though.
That’s great to hear that yours is treating you well! Obviously by the caked on mud of this one, I’m sure the owner doesn’t take care of it as much as he should.
@@rockspowersports i think so too! I maintain it myself and also keep it clean.
Btw the gear grinding is "normal" on these, need adjustment. But mine has never done it again after about 1000 miles, i was careful with it too.
I don’t disagree with the quality issues you point out, but every Japanese brand is using all Chinese made electronic parts also.
Your right. BUT whatever is used MUST meet the manufacturers standards.
Honda, and Yamaha should have reasonable quality electrical components, as their suppliers are usually from other Japanese companies. I’m not aware of too many electrical issues with Honda, or Yamaha. Over time starters, power steering motors, electric shift motors, and in some cases electronic fuel pumps can go bad, but for the most part they fare pretty well.
I have 3 hondas and 2 yamahas. The problem with the yamahas in the assembled in USA part. Sadly on my '20 wolverine x2 the roof was installed backwards (no joke), the drivers seatbelt was installed flipped over, one bolt on the skid plate had a broken head and one was stripped. My '23 grizzly has the alignment off. Not to impressed by my fellow american craftsmanship. My 2020 honda rubicon had the dct problem that took them a year to figure out which was 95% resolved with a software update. Overall I would pick the grizzly over my rubicon. Once gone through the bikes have been reliable and I would still pick them over the competition.
@ Yeah the DCT programing had to be revised due to overheating issues. I have heard things like that about Yamaha before, like with the handlebars. I’ve never really noticed any issues like that with Hondas, their manufacturing process is pretty good. I know the model I have has been out since 2014, but it’s a proven platform, and some of it in the model before that. I’ve looked it over pretty good, checking the bolts, frame components, etc. It’s put together well.
I’ve never had any good luck on honda Chinese CDIs I had one that someone else had previous put on but it was basically new and it dang near burned the whole thing down but when working on a cf moto u might as well use them since there’s no difference lol love the videos keep up the good work
I have a 2021 and never have a problem and go hard on this bike but I never put the quad under water is most dirk and sand riding
I had a 2019 Zforce 800 I can confirm it's true starter solenoid and the key switch were always bad it was covered with a tarp as well you needed to keep turning the key on and off for the starter to engage. And then injectors went bad then replaced em then sold It
Try the plug that goes to the solenoid mine was fried had to replace runs great now
The first thing you do when you buy a CF moto is put a clutch kit in right away and upgrade your brakes. No surprise that there’s a delay in the clutch right now. They tuned like that from factory.
Have a 2021 CFORCE 500 has been in the shop more than it has been rode - they have changed ignition switch twice handle bar switch twice and they claimed they have done other changes ECM Replaced. I still have trouble getting the fuel pump to kick in - If you do not hear the fuel pump prime up it is not going to crank. Also watch the temperature gauge very close the relay for the fan will not kick in and it will run hot quick. I guess I just got a lemon.
Been seeing alot of these on the trails in Georgia.
I have the same bike but 1 seater it's a 2021 I've not really had too many problems with it With over 3000 miles now. The winch solenoid had to be replaced and a bolt came lose in the rear pinyin. Easy fix both times. But I do wish I bought a Yamaha 700 that's what I was going to get.
Lol, i was looking at the Yamaha 700 too. But almost double the price...
I would have left the yamaha solenoid on, and just fused the ignition/acc side with same 40A fuse, and left it like that. Safe and reliable solution there.
I paid out the door $16000 for 2 new 600 cc They rake you through the coals on all the setup and shipping extras. Mine is the single 600 I could not find any touring addition for a year while looking. I think mine are 2021 3yrs old.
To be.
Honest, I've owned a lot of 4 wheelers.And I don't find them any better or any worse.Then most new brands No nothing compares to the older four wheelers that did last forever
Was your solenoid replacement an oem cfmoto or an amazon part? Not sure if it would matter much?
Yeah I know people with cf motos that are just a couple of years old. One ripped of the trailer hitch from the frame just by normal use! Just look at the fram and a-arms etc compared to other brands. And as you said, alot of electrical issues. The newer ones are alot better i have heard but the price gap is also alot smaller compared to can am /polaris . I have a 2016 can am outlander 1000 with 600 hours on it and i have not even changed the battery yet 💪 greets from a snowy sweden
If this was a Polaris it would need a full engine rebuild. Polaris is junk, i have a 2022 cforce 600 and so far no issues.
Hey rock powersports have you tried using a riding mower solenoid those are generally pretty good quality
may have to do some modifying because they generally ground through the mounting hardware
Had alot of issues with the starter solenoids on my 14 yamaha grizzly 450. I have prolly replaced it 5 times now over the years i have owned it since brand new. Replaced it this summer again with a new starter, the original starter went out finally. Now i will say it wasnt an oem solenoid so thats prolly the issue. Just ebay specials.
I’ve never had good luck with those cheap eBay ones unfortunately. I get it though, you can buy 5 or 6 cheap ones compared to the $112 OEM solenoid.
Around me all dealers charge the shipping crating, assemble fees to all units. In the showroom or ordered. I’ve got a new uforce and new sportsman high lifter
My friend likes his !! But getting parts can be an issue !! He was down half a summer waiting on parts
Cfmoto you need to replace all fuses and relays for better ones and dialectic grease all plugs and connectors. Did that day one on our race bike never a issue
I agree.... I've heard the electrical is bad on these, gotta dielectric grease everything once ya get it.
Theres alot of parts on a quad, and it might look good from afar, but the cheap parts reflect in the price. It comes with nice rims, winch, nice guage, fake piggy back shocks, bumpers etc etc. But if ya gotta keep fixing stuff and having breakdowns than its all worthless.
I noticed the plastics are super thin and bendy compared to other brands.
And the resale is bad.... it might be cheaper initially, but after 3 years, the guy that paid more for the can am or yamaha or honda will get most their money back, where the CFmoto will need to be given away.
Die electric grease is actually a bad conductor for electrical componets. It's intended to keep the rubber in connectors from sticking.
What can keep moisture out will also keep moisture in.
I have 2 of these 600 CFmoto's and my problem is cheap batteries, the battery post are junk and too soft. I have less than 100 mile on both and have had to replace the batteries.
It’s pretty tough to buy anything that isn’t made in China these days…. However, I will continue to support my American brothers and sisters by buying Polaris..
Polaris, a Chinese machine that’s assembled in the USA..
@ that is totally not true
You just gotta make sure you feel it go intol ow gear. You have to go all the way up with it.
All my local dealers make u pay for shipping here in nova scotia too. i think its 499 or 599 flat rate if i remember right. All brands do this unless its a used machine in my area anyways
Great video, Rock. Japanese Only for me. With everything you know and all your experience, it surprises me that you’d consider buying a Chinese machine. Maybe because you are so proficient at working on them. Give me a used Japanese bike any and every time. Love the content. Love when you take the victory loop/lap. Peace
Thanks i appreciate that. Honestly the only reason i was in the market for the 400 was because it was cheap and I wanted to give it a good beating and see how it held up. So much for the “cheap price”
And I totally appreciate that you’d do that and give your honest opinions. Thoroughly dig the Chanel for this very reason.
I am ashamed to say it, but I will, Honda, Yamaha, and Suzuki are much more dependable than Polaris, Can am. Cf moto is not even an option.
@ agreed 💯!
I have a 2023 600 touring and it stated doing the same thing! If ya go to speed cluster go to volts se what you're volts putting out when running ! If it is like 12 something you're running off battery ! My problem ended up being the black plastic box by battery has 2 big red wires going into it ! It's a fusible link one of the red wires back ot of the box enough to loose connection and it won't charge batt! Push wires in real good and 14.2 is what my volts read now! Bad connection
They fixed the clutching on the new ones.
That’s good to hear, haven’t drove any of the newer style ones yet.
@rockspowersports I drove the 2024 Overland 1000. Great machine. I have hear alot of great reviews on these. But I ride a 2023 Sportsman xp1000 with ride command and a 2023 Arctic Cat Alterra 600 limited.
Yup. Mine is smooth too luckily, i asked for the newer model when i bought mine for that reason actually.
I like the Polaris 4x4 all 4 tires lock anytime in 4x4 all the time
Hey rock's I'm looking for some 12 inch aluminum wheels for a yamaha grizzly 700. You got any?
Talk shit about atv someone else owned and abused neglected! It’s damn switch…
My buddy gets tired of fan fuse blown on his 2022 cfmoto 600 seems like happens as he go fast through water, now he doesn’t use fuse anymore, he using the one that reset itself thing not know what it’s called . Now he’s happy camper!!! Tie rods bolts mess up thinking factory didn’t tight enough. One a arm bent and thrown him off broke his ribs and dislocated shoulder after he gas that thing while in right turn!!!! He still thinks it’s a great buy though haha!!!
It's funny that you got it running with a yammy part because I was thinking listening to it it sounds like a grizzly😂
That is way too early to loose a sealed-starter-solenoid. Its tricky, parts availability long term, questionable even with the most well supported CFmoto (compared to Segway\Argo etc.) I've seen base King quad 750's even with power steering for 10,500$ Cdn ($7500 USD) I appreciate you get a free winch\wheels\powersteering (At this point all ATV's should have it, cmon Yamaha\Suzuki\Polaris) with a CFmoto, but I haven't had much luck with Chinese winches when you really need them. Polaris 570 as well close to that, I think they sold a lot of these during Covid, but these days with prices soaring, mmmm, a hard sell.
Yeah I haven been sold on the Cf moto’s yet. Much prefer the Japanese machines compared to these.
@@rockspowersports Those additional fees are rediculous, I know sometimes dealers charge like "setup" fees that can be 800$, but a pricing structure like that, with 25%+ of the total cost hidden, rediculous. (Also the 800 and 1000 are so humongous, maybe you can get one in for repairs sometime to check it out) Enjoy your videos as always, we have the cold and snow now here in Alberta, sigh.
I have ridden one of these and yes the clutch got me first go was not smooth.
Too many threads lying around... the squirrels must be having a CRAZY FUN
Sadly no matter what you pay for any vehicle as soon as it leaves the lot your upside down
I’m happy with my 23 800 atv
I hope all the other details on those machines are a little better than that Chinese fuse.
Could be corroded. Very easy fix. I rode a 250R Honda 3 wheeler years ago and it had so many electrical gremlins that when I hit the throttle it will cut off and on. Traded it for a four stroke 200X four wheeler that ran great until I met a tree.
New Atvs in todays market are gonna run you easily 10 grand on something really decent with some bells and whistles plus another 500-1000 from the dealership cost and then tax and reg your almost a used car out the door lol
That’s why I’ll stick to the used machines!
If battery amperage gets low, Starter silenoid can go out so uou want to use a better brand battery
there is one good thing about cf moto..... you can buy parts..... Buy Japan or polaris..... they are almost the same in price and you can get parts.... example... textron stampede.... nice rig no longer produced and no parts!
I am in India.
How many stolen gift cards to buy this?
It is a big problem when the electrical fails and there is no cellphone signal and miles from anything or anyone.
When it comes to Chinese electronics off eBay, you have to factor in that Chinese Watts/Amps are 1/10th of a Watt/Amp from the rest of the world.
If you need a solenoid that can handle 100A, you need one that can handle 1000 Chinese Amps. 😂
They ain't Hondas. You gotta treat them nice. First thing they tell you is to clean the air filter off.
I have the same ATV but in a single seat. I regret buying it. Next ATV will be a Yamaha.
You won't regret it!!!
I believe the cf motos will be getting the 60-100% chinese tariffs? I would imagine that this will hurt their pricing. I believe the japanese and canadian models will be getting a 10-20% tariff? Can anyone confirm this?
My 2021 600 won’t start. Starter is bad. Have to remove the rear clutch housing cover to get it out. Have it loose but won’t come past the housing. Engineers…
If you don't take care of them and store them in a dry place then they will start having problems
That's why they're cheap but where you going to get all that for 8 Grand I have a brand new Polaris 570 Sportsman 1000 mi in the rectifier went bad I just think it's poorly made stuff maybe we can get Elon in there to make good stuff cheap like he does with SpaceX
Yeah even with the fees they are still cheaper for what you get. A comparable Sportsman 570 touring would be $11-12000 now a days,
I’ll stick with my 2020 Grizzly 700.
I don’t blame ya.
Would it be in Chinese you probably are paying the tariff on it
With all the cf moto issues I made the great choice of buying an polaris 500 h.o 2008 instead of buying Chinese junk😀
The extra fees are those scummy chinese products dealers being scummy i know it costs money to import these things but that should be included in the price the advertised price or you mentioned some the fees arent mentioned in the fine print
thats illegal and has been so since the mid 70's not sure how one would prosecute that though
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Frm CHI
CDI from CHINA for a YAMAHA BLASTER are JUNK TOO and thinking it WAS ALwAYS JETTING and after 6 different combinations with NO CHANGE I switched out for OEM and IT RAN AWESOME AGAIN. No CHINA ELECTRICAL
It's a common problem on all the 600s
isn't the cf moto,hisun,massimo and other crap from china all the same?you get what you pay for??great vid rock!!
No problems with my 800xc
Great to hear!
I do not trust used ATV in my area the put snorkel kits on them and see just how deep down in the mud they can bury one - Muddy Bottoms ATV Park is about half mile from where I live. People have more money than brains - spend thousands of dollars just to go out and destroy a new ride.
CF moto has a 5 year warranty… why didn’t he take it back to the dealer
Nope 1 year in USA is all they come with and also the 5 year doesn’t cover everything , as I’m in Canada and cf moto comes with 5 year but they only cover 1 year bumper to bumper and the other 4 years is just engine and drive train , also the clutches are only warranties for 90 days on cf moto , I’ve owned all brands and decided to buy a cf moto and give one a try I’ve had zero issues , I’m a canam technician and can say event the new canams have electrical fail early , had to replace a main harness on a 2023 canam with 700kms on it , and have seen plenty of other electrical issues with canam , so they aren’t perfect , but yeah they are better quality , but I still don’t belive they are worth the price , when customers still have simple problems
CF Moto are junk especially the older ones. My 2014 C-Force 800 has been nothing but trouble ever since I bought it. Ya it has really good power but ever since I put 2000 miles on it it's been broken in 1 way or another. Changed Starter solenoid at just over 2000 miles. 2,400 miles I had to put a new water pump and drive belt on it. Ignition switch replaced rite at 2,650, radiator fan replaced rite around 2,800 miles. Starter replaced at 3.255 miles. It currently has 3,386 miles on it and the front wheel bearings are going out.
Its funny how people knock Chinese parts.. as if virtually everything they own isnt also made in china. Even your american made cars and motorcycles are loaded with Chinese components.. mainly electronics. Weird..
That guy should be a shamed of himself, I would never take a bike to get fixed looking like that
😂
I would... I thought about taking a 1985 Moto4 to a mechanic to get it running, and it's got plastics falling off, holes over the wheels, mud all over the engine... What stopped me is that I don't have the money to pay for someone to look at it.
сf is best atv now
All of them do that.
My kawasaki prairie 650 with a severly worn belt has better clutching than that
Probably close to the same quality as polaris. If they got rid of most of the electronics
Really, who the hell needs power steering? When you are doing above 45 miles an hour, crap there is your power steering!