That’s why as a Chinese since very young age we were told not to cook spinach and tofu together. Because the oxalic acid in spinach and the high calcium content in tofu can form calcium oxalate and eating it will cause diarrhea. Also we were told to boil spinach and drain the water and then stir fry it or just simply season it. After I came to US I was surprised that people eating spinach raw in salad and that is one thing I don’t like to be in my salad.
Yes if boiled its fine as 99% are removed. Most people can process oxalates however those who cannot will have problems regardless. I read that meat can cause kidney stones too - in high consumption but nobody is talking about this. Im Omnivorous and focus on meat and very low oxalate fruits and vegetables. I look at the bioavailability of foods and take the best of all worlds for a diverse microbiome much like the Hadza Hunter Gatherer tribe in Africa who are very strong and healthily adaptive. They eat meat, berries and tubers plus more: they are not 100% pure dogmatic carnivores. Dogma is a ride to no-where. I recently gave up coffee and feel amazing 2 month later. Many ailments went away such as mild ibs and stomach issues.
@@gregprouse1173 I have been drinking coffee daily for a while now. I used to stop for a long time and then picked it back up. Maybe should try stopping again and see if it can improve my stomach condition. Just sleep more regularly lol
U.S doctors tells people to not discard the soaking beans's water, so ive been cooking beans right from the bags without even soaking it, and now im dealing with the worst neuropathy of my life, my legs, feet and hands nerves were all damaged and took me 2 weeks only for it to stop hurting, crazy stuff, people are getting completely out of touch with traditional food preparation
@@felipe8511 Yeah and this new carnivore diet people and doctors are saying hey are bad. Well yeah if you dont ferment or soak them as people have been doing for years. Of course you dont want to est them raw then yes they are toxic however if prepared correctly are perfectly fine. These carnivores are trying to confuse us about food by reinventing the wheel which dosnt need to be done. Diets are crazy these days
Because we are brainwashed into believing that kale, spinach, chard, beets and watercress are superfoods if people knew about oxalates they wouldn't be eating them. They've been lying to us and actively trying to poison us.
@@29sentz Inflammation doesn't clear the uric acid the kidneys clear out excess, but if their function is impaired by constant chronic systemic inflammation you get issues. Same applies to liver and all other organs.
I remember when having been keto for a year or so and eating almond bread. When eating it, it felt like a litteral knife stab in the gutt, good thing we have people like Elliot who can show and explain why it's a really bad idea to eat oxolate rich foods.
My MTHFR & DVR gene mutations caused my body to endue CFS since mid 80’s fibromyalgia early 90’s. When I finally realize the correlation between some foods and my pain and ability to walk, I was able to figure it out after decades of pain and suffering were oxalates. I’m 90% better. I can walk without a cane & almost without a limp I’m so happy and it’s only been six weeks! But I noticed a difference for the better in the first week.
Well yeah started having ox dumping has been going on for six weeks thankfully re-watching a few videos I started taking magnesium citrate and oh my gosh what a relief it really helps even more than tramadol and Mobic together. It’s not something you want to take every day but when you’re in a dumping situation it sure did help me
Oh my gosh.. please, please start a channel so I can follow you. I need encouragement and info from a person who deals with same. Thank you for sharing. Very interested in all you’ve done to heal.
@@jimmyfortenberry945 Good question. I've been sticking to what my parents and grandparents ate. Lima bean soup and other soups all made from homemade bone broth (stock), sardines, butter milk, ham hocks, homemade breads, (sometimes banana bread or pound cake) unfancy meats (boiled chicken) and things like that (basically poverty food). Definitely NOTHING that is prepared (ex, frozen dinners, pasta in a can, soup, fast food, etc) My grandparents were born in the 1870s and 1880s, my parents were born in 1915 (just to put things in perspective). Check out Frank Tufano if you haven't seen his videos yet. Good luck, eat well, and live a long happy life.
@@thomasgronek6469 That's odd. You eat carbs and sugar yet to watch, and even suggest Frank The King carnivore Tufano? Hes soooo far away from your diet!!🤔
@@MsAnchovey I have seen the meat, My way is now carnivore. I tried my best to stay healthy by following the diet of my parents and grandparents, it came to the forefront that they mostly ate meat (My mother's mother was born in 1880). The food supply sucks, there is no other way than carnivore
@@thomasgronek6469 My grandfather and uncle always ate of plenty lard, eggs, milk and beans. Grandfather was nearly100 years my uncle is still alive 99 years. My father ate the modern diet only 63.
Went on Keto diet and started using too much almond flour, sure noticed the joint pain from it! Cutting out on oxalate + started supplementing with Potassium citrate and Magnesium citrate helped me recover quickly.
Hi Elliott, just subbed after watching your brilliant overview of oxalates. I learned so much. Anyway just wanted to extend my appreciation and I hope that your channel grows beyond belief !!! It is just such a blessing lately having all these like minded people working together to spread the word.
Ox-list: I suggest to change some plants that are not high and you put them in your list, like ZUCCHINI. Change it for KIWI, high and not seen as a berry by most people. Also though you are right with potatoes and leeks, they are not that high! Potatoes are eaten by many lowox people, by boiling in pieces and throwing out the water. I suggest to add QUINOA to the list, as high as BUCKWHEAT! Also, in berries, blueberries are not high. And in "nuts", seeds like sunflower and pumkin are fine, linen too, and all oils actually. Chia is very high though...
same difference (although with vastly more moral complications/conundrums) as the hordes of cases of parasitism caused by meat consumption...sushi eaters are playing just as much a russian roulette with their health due to similar levels of ignorance...except they are adding the aspect they are eating blood/feces & dead flesh with theirs...so there is that to remember. Yes people love to state that because they cook all their stuff they are safer? Oh really? Especially with unhealthy microwaves spotty abilities in this area (literally) you are still engaging in the number one vector for parasites in all history...people putting them into their mouths.
When I heard about oxaltes and Oxalic acid i was done.. its used in industrial cleaning and aggressive commercial carwash chemicals. In place of very dangerous hydrofluorosilic acid and aluminum bifluoride.. Acetic acid and citric acid are also used, though not as agressive. Subscribed.
Jeremy R Yes! I am a professional cleaner so I need to be cautious- but Barkeeper’s Friend also has oxalic acid in it- how many times have people used this without gloves to clean stainless steel🥴
Fantastically terse and concise presentation of the subject, given the amount of detailed and important insights! Great thanks for putting the work into making such an informative summary!
this video and the truthful,informative content it presents,is well appreciated by those who genuinely care about the proper health & nutrition of human beings...thank you...well done...keep up the very good work...truth,respect & peace
I came over from Bart's channel to see what you were talking about, yep excellent subject and just my jam, thanks. Perhaps you can talk about "the lab blood markers" of inflammation like CRP, homocyctine, other blood marker's your viewpoint to chronic inflammation up to these brain "proteins" or wild chemical neuro-issues that could be associated wiht brain fog or ASD or other neuro diseases. Brain fog is said alot with the ex vegan's and I have continued chemical sensitivity, brain fog and joint pains.
Paracelsus : "All things are poison, and nothing is without poison, the dosage alone makes it so a thing is not a poison." In Hippocratic medicine, the qualities in foods are analogous to the four humors in the body: too much of a single one is bad, a proper mixture is ideal,...to be healthy balance must be present In traditional Chinese medicine, food is divided into five natures, called "siqi": cold, cool, neutral, warm and hot. The nature of food is not determined by their actual temperature, but rather by what effects they have on a person's body after consumption....to be healthy balance must be present
I was making huge salads of spinach/kale/chard and snacking on almonds and dark chocolate when I started keto. Weird symptoms all over my body appeared. I'm doing an animal based diet now but I'm still feeling affects of possible oxalate build up and "dumping". I even developed that "keto rash" which Sally Norton posits is the body detoxing oxalates.
Citrates may be helpful for breaking down oxalates, but they cause other issues such as inhibiting copper function, which is important. Morley Robbins has done much research on the subject and has the Magnesium Advocacy Group on facebook where people can search for answers or ask questions. Without proper copper function, iron cannot function (free iron causes oxidative damage in the body, and anemia can result from dysfunction), histamines can get out of control, etc. edit - still great info, just wanted to share for anyone who doesn't know about citrates. Maybe use them temporarily if suffering oxalate toxicity, but afterward stop using citrates so copper can function.
Yes I agree use it when you’re in pain from ox dumping! Before I knew I was dumping I was taking tramadol and Mobic both every 4 to 6 hours and it wasn’t touching the pain! Then I found a talk from Sally Norton and Elliot and guess what taking magnesium citrate literally stop the pain 80% in 48 hours something those big Pharma drugs could not do! So unless you’re in a dumping situation and having the pain that I had you really have no idea
@@presouz1740 I recently switched to a carnivore diet, the oxalate dumping is really bad, I would like to know what kind of magnesium citrate would be good and how much you should take. Thank you!
Jane Banks Magnesium citrate is good but can cause a laxative effect. Calcium citrate will work also. Potassium citrate works but you can only buy it in tablet form at 99mg and the RDA is something like 3500-4000mg/day but you can get in bulk powder form.
Without proper copper function? As in adsorption? Or an inhibitor somewhere along the line that inteferes with the function of copper? I'm wondering if elevated copper levels can actually mean copper deficiency. Like B12 and Iron. And if this is what you are referring to. Copper in most supplements is not the correct kind, I did learn that recently. But you have to watch zinc in relationship to copper, very strict ratio. My daughter tested high for copper, and then next tested zinc and it was super duper low. Your comment made me curious about whether the copper issue you mentioned was from lack of copper in diet or malabsorbtion or if you had any more insights
Wow , thank you Eliot . You got me on b1 , I work for a well known Health food store in the states , they push all these oxilets foods . And I got into almonds . And nutts in general paying for it . Glad I listen to what was working for me . I started to take low doses of calcium citrate . Also had a high iron so stopped eating spinach and kale and Swiss char . Use to eat ice Berg lettuce and Romain . Going back to that the gutt health fascinating .really good .thank you .
Very comprehensive -EXCEPT that no mention was made about the impact on cooking greens like spinach. I had been taught that it lowers oxilatic acid. Is that correct?
Elliot, would drinking lemon juice aid in the destruction of these oxalates and crystals? I ask this because you mentioned citrate and several studies showing lemon juice and destroy kidney stones.
I love how knowledgeable you are; your videos are extremely valuable. Just letting you know that on your list of high oxalate foods at 2:55, kale appears twice. Presumably there is no system to the arrangement of rows & columns on the slide?
I came up with that gallbladder stones are formed because there isn't enough bile to prevent them from forming. And low bile can cause indigested fat in the stomach which binds with the calcium. Increasing the chance of oxalic acid absorbtion thus forming kidney stones aswell. So this could be a link between both stones. Idk i'm not a medical student i just built interest to nutrition recently
Good logical reasoning. The very same process that leads to gallstone formation also enables the formation of kidney stones. Low bile flow can contribute to osteoporosis as well. We want some calcium bound to oxalates in the digestive tract to keep them from being absorbed, but we also want some calcium to be absorbed unbound. Osteoporosis is, of course, about more than a simple lack of calcium, but that condition is going to be made worse if your intake is curtailed too much.
Wow!! Found you thanks to Bart Kay! Where have you been all these years! You are the rainman of antinutrients! Incredible! I can’t eat high oxalate, it’s an evil poison to my body. But how can you tell if you have the freaky genetic flaw or it’s just dietary overdose? High Oxalates flare my autoimmune diseases for sure, and I’ve had kidney stones. I use high dose magnesium citrate powder, very helpful. I’m so autoimmune and allergic, it’s suspected I’m even Alpha-Gal too as I’ve reacted to beef badly, so not as simple for me to just go carnivore. So many reactions, I should be a futuristic Star Trek type diet, of just light infused particles and IVs lol! 🤷🏼♀️ And nope, the most fancy probiotics or leaky gut protocols make zero difference, I still end up having to reach for the methotrexate 😩
I, too, reach for the methotrexate and wonder every week if it is really helpful, have trouble digesting meat, am still trying to understand all of this, thank you for your comments and this video as well.
@@joane8651 If carnivore/keto/paleo is not working or has not worked, after trying it for a sufficient time period, I would be thinking about some kind of toxicity.
17:33 brainstorming you just totally blew my mind with light bulbs flashing like all over the place as I was listening to this I thought what an application for cancer cells lies here I feel a Nobel Peace prize coming on !
Thank you so much, Dr. Elliott, for this video. I have been researching this very same subject for about a year to see if I figure out my muscle pain and constant skin itch. I'm struggling right now with high levels of histamine as well, at least it's my own diagnosis and confirmed by a doctor here. I get chronic urticaria and I take massive amounts of medications to control the itch. I take Bilastine (Blexten) and Ranitadine (Zantac). I used to be on Ceterizine (Reactine) but to that last one I have developed a bad reaction to it after using it for 5 years. Would you, Doctor Elliot, be able to dismystify this problem for me? Life is really not worth living with this constant itch. Thank you for anything you may be able to do. God bless you.
Hi Vonita. First of all, I am not a doctor :) My training is in nutrition and functional medicine, but technically I am a nutritionist - and not a medical professional. It is very difficult to say without consulting with you directly about this. I am sorry that I can not be of more help. I am available for consults if that is something you are seeking.
I would like to know this also because I love my Celtic sea salt and it does seem when I overdo my salt I do have more body pain it’s like my blood is poisoned. But I need myself to keep my vertigo away I don’t know what else to do
@@presouz1740 that's because the oceans are extremely polluted nowadays. What's causing mass die-offs in aquatic life obviously is going to affect your body as well.
Is oxalate concentrated in one part of the food? For example, is it in the peel or husk rather than the core? Can high oxalate food sources be prepared in ways that dispose of the oxalate?
I am working on learning some of what you have to teach on both oxalates and also on thiamine mega-dosing. I wonder if you might recommend any video or channels on earlier academic subjects to help lay the foundation. It seems we can get quite an education from the internet nowadays. And I am thankful for your videos!
Question: Why would I crave the taste of oxalates? I am really in tune with my body and I can feel that I need a nominal amount of them. I certainly don't go overboard but unlike everyone else I know, my body specifically asks me for cocoa nibs, chard, beets, dandelion, and chicory root tea. Could it be my gut bacteria? Or do I not produce enough? No, I do not eat a diet high in oxalates but the fact that I love the taste of them has always puzzled me. Also, I am very healthy with no joint pain or inflammation. And lastly, can you cite the studies that give evidence of the examples of the damage that oxalates do in the body? There are so many studies of isolated phyto-compounds that are not even relevant because the way these compounds are used in the human body is much more complex than what can be demonstrated in a study using just the isolated compound. Also, most people make their green smoothies with fruit that contains citric acid. I don't drink them but my point is that they may not be that bad for people.
This is why I soak all my seeds and make grains into a porridge through bathing at least overnight, rinsing twice over and subsequently freezing. Also why I purchase chanca piedra on an annual basis and use ACV. Hopefully my home made sauerkraut will keep me topped up in those specific areas too. Bit of a b__lache I must admit, but not everything should be consumed immediately straight out of a packet or be served post adding boiling water. That's but one of the reasons we're collectively in such bad shape as a nation. May we see the light...together.
@@honeybeeblossom5846 Frozen water expands and takes up more volume. This breaks down the internal structure of the seeds, porridge or even our water pipes - like when we get a cold snap. With the cell wall compromised, less digestive is required to break it down further and more nutrition can be utilised from within.
omg My brain went AWOL after you said, Hello I'm Elliot :( I wish i was smarter so I could follow and understand this because it sounds super interesting and i love the way you present the info and explain everything. Maybe ill try during the day and not 2am. :(
What about ACV for decreased oxalate crystalization? How about high doses of vitamin D3 too ? Susan Owens...thanks. The medical care 💅😘 in my are is very bad 😞😔. Thank You 🤗😊❤️💖
So drinking natural mountain water usually high in magnesium and particularly calcium would naturally protect against this problem. I started drinking natural mineral Waters such as magnesia and gemerka, both of them are from central Europe. They help me a lot with my post viral CFS
the US Department of Agriculture (in 2008) again confirmed that kale had 2mg of oxalate in every 100g. Kale is not considered to be high in oxalate...I'm planning my garden around low oxalate veggies...
Hi there, anyone. I get inflammation from all gluten and all dairy, and oxalates near knock me out, I feel like I have nothing left to eat. After this, what can I actually live on?
Question: If spinach contains high amount of Oxylates as well as a certain amount of Calcium doesn’t it cancel one another therefore spinach would not be as harmful as it looks?
He says the spinach contains oxylate & calcium so you don't get the benefit of the calcium and get the negative effects of oxylate. Cooked spinach, and throwing out the cook water, then stir frying is best preparation method for lesd oxylates.
Eating calcium containing foods alongside the oxalate/or before. Egg shell calcium will do the trick. Also, maintaining a healthy gut barrier and fat digestion is going to be key.
@Hrvoje Batrnek I don't see how plants are more 'basic' than animals, perhaps you mean plants are simpler and cruder? At any rate, plants are way more sophisticated and much fitter compared to the animal kingdom. At the cellular level plants have 2 autonomous organelles that ensure completely sustainable and greatly independent cell energetics, while being highly efficient. Don't forget that the animal kingdom could arise only because of the waste product (oxygen) of pro- and pre-plantae forms of life.
@Hrvoje Batrnek I had implied their cellular machinery and that it is way more advanced than animal cells in some aspects, while you got it all wrong thanks to lack of education. I am neither a vegan nor a carnivore, I am educated which you obviously are not.
@Hrvoje Batrnek Get hold of your emotions, I am not here for street talks and bro science. Secondly, I never mentioned nutrition and I can never debate nutrition with someone whose basic knowledge about plants is none to zero. As I said, I'm neither a vegan nor a carnivore, I am trying to put together the entire map of biochemistry and human biology, and all available research to reach some, at least, basic conclusions about nutrition. Additionally, I do work in labs. I can tell you that there's a lot of adequate research and info already in existence about food biochemistry, but no one on youtube, except for some MDs and researches has any clue about what they're talking about. I can tell you that eating substance X and its effect on your body doesn't only depend on the nutritional value, chemical conatituents and contaminants of X but also the haemodynamics of the eater and its commensal partners at the time of eating. It's a very finely tuned and complicated equation with many variables. I won't go any further, because, I know I,m wasting my time. Just a perspective: Ikarians and Okinawans, among others, being the longest lived people on Earth based on predominantly plant foods and small amounts of animal foods shouldn't be mentally and physically all right at above 100, right? Wait, let alone being fit, they shouldn't be 90+ years old at all, right, because of your sane 'logic'. Good luck with your logic, quick conslusions and extreme decisions are usually futile.
@Hrvoje Batrnek The only thing that makes me sad is that you've lived 37 years and adopted no good manners, nor any bit of intelligence. This is my last response, for you got more attention from me than you'll ever deserve in life. My final note to you is, knowledge is sought, once you think you have all the answers, your chances are gone, probably that's why you're standing in front of me at 37 w/o basic understanding. Hope you don't end up in the ER by believing everyone on YT, because they all promote only ideas, that people like you take for religion. That's the end of our correspondence.
How do you recommend to obtain the recommended amount of magnesium? The foods that are high in magnesium (Spinach, chocolate, peanuts) are also high in oxalates. What am I supposed to do?
Plants are stressors. A little can hep you in someways just like exercise stresses you and you recover to a stronger person. Most of our nutrition should come from animals. eating a little fruit and veg in season can help make us stronger
On day 40 of the carnivore diet, coming from a low carb diet. I suffer badly with dry eye, with excruciating painful attacks regularly. Since being carnivore, my attacks are happening more often, from two episodes per month to four/five. Could this be a sign of oxalate dumping?
I have severe oxalate sensitivity and have done extensive research. I have never run across a study regarding hair loss. The only thing even close is that a build up of hydrogen peroxide causes gray hair, but that isn't what you are asking :p
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That’s why as a Chinese since very young age we were told not to cook spinach and tofu together. Because the oxalic acid in spinach and the high calcium content in tofu can form calcium oxalate and eating it will cause diarrhea. Also we were told to boil spinach and drain the water and then stir fry it or just simply season it. After I came to US I was surprised that people eating spinach raw in salad and that is one thing I don’t like to be in my salad.
Yes if boiled its fine as 99% are removed. Most people can process oxalates however those who cannot will have problems regardless. I read that meat can cause kidney stones too - in high consumption but nobody is talking about this. Im Omnivorous and focus on meat and very low oxalate fruits and vegetables. I look at the bioavailability of foods and take the best of all worlds for a diverse microbiome much like the Hadza Hunter Gatherer tribe in Africa who are very strong and healthily adaptive. They eat meat, berries and tubers plus more: they are not 100% pure dogmatic carnivores. Dogma is a ride to no-where. I recently gave up coffee and feel amazing 2 month later. Many ailments went away such as mild ibs and stomach issues.
@@gregprouse1173 I have been drinking coffee daily for a while now. I used to stop for a long time and then picked it back up. Maybe should try stopping again and see if it can improve my stomach condition. Just sleep more regularly lol
U.S doctors tells people to not discard the soaking beans's water, so ive been cooking beans right from the bags without even soaking it, and now im dealing with the worst neuropathy of my life, my legs, feet and hands nerves were all damaged and took me 2 weeks only for it to stop hurting, crazy stuff, people are getting completely out of touch with traditional food preparation
@@felipe8511 Yeah and this new carnivore diet people and doctors are saying hey are bad. Well yeah if you dont ferment or soak them as people have been doing for years. Of course you dont want to est them raw then yes they are toxic however if prepared correctly are perfectly fine. These carnivores are trying to confuse us about food by reinventing the wheel which dosnt need to be done. Diets are crazy these days
@@felipe8511 You may want to try the Carnivore diet, many healings take place!!
Hi! I’m a SIBO SIFO person in Korea. And I’m so glad that I watch your video❤ thank you!
This is such an important topic that most people know nothing about! Thanks for doing this!
Yeah, just like homogenized dairy (Xanthine Oxidase)
Because we are brainwashed into believing that kale, spinach, chard, beets and watercress are superfoods if people knew about oxalates they wouldn't be eating them. They've been lying to us and actively trying to poison us.
@@29sentz Uric acid is a critical antioxidant and the issue is with inflammation plus urid acid.
@@matthewalexandersayers4470 Inflammation is what clears a joint of uric acid, so that's not it.
@@29sentz Inflammation doesn't clear the uric acid the kidneys clear out excess, but if their function is impaired by constant chronic systemic inflammation you get issues. Same applies to liver and all other organs.
I remember when having been keto for a year or so and eating almond bread. When eating it, it felt like a litteral knife stab in the gutt, good thing we have people like Elliot who can show and explain why it's a really bad idea to eat oxolate rich foods.
My MTHFR & DVR gene mutations caused my body to endue CFS since mid 80’s fibromyalgia early 90’s. When I finally realize the correlation between some foods and my pain and ability to walk, I was able to figure it out after decades of pain and suffering were oxalates. I’m 90% better. I can walk without a cane & almost without a limp I’m so happy and it’s only been six weeks! But I noticed a difference for the better in the first week.
Well yeah started having ox dumping has been going on for six weeks thankfully re-watching a few videos I started taking magnesium citrate and oh my gosh what a relief it really helps even more than tramadol and Mobic together. It’s not something you want to take every day but when you’re in a dumping situation it sure did help me
They attacked my teeth like barnacles overnight...and I have stone and blood ( in urine)...what do I have !!!!!?????
Oh my gosh.. please, please start a channel so I can follow you. I need encouragement and info from a person who deals with same. Thank you for sharing. Very interested in all you’ve done to heal.
@@presouz1740 when you did citrate, did you have diarrhea problems? I had to stop because I had massive diarrhea.
@@bonnieb9272 what attacked your teeth?
I’m so glad Bart Kay had you on his channel so I could find your channel and website. I look forward to learning from you.
What diet should we be on
@@jimmyfortenberry945 Good question. I've been sticking to what my parents and grandparents ate. Lima bean soup and other soups all made from homemade bone broth (stock), sardines, butter milk, ham hocks, homemade breads, (sometimes banana bread or pound cake) unfancy meats (boiled chicken) and things like that (basically poverty food). Definitely NOTHING that is prepared (ex, frozen dinners, pasta in a can, soup, fast food, etc) My grandparents were born in the 1870s and 1880s, my parents were born in 1915 (just to put things in perspective). Check out Frank Tufano if you haven't seen his videos yet. Good luck, eat well, and live a long happy life.
@@thomasgronek6469
That's odd. You eat carbs and sugar yet to watch, and even suggest Frank The King carnivore Tufano? Hes soooo far away from your diet!!🤔
@@MsAnchovey I have seen the meat, My way is now carnivore. I tried my best to stay healthy by following the diet of my parents and grandparents, it came to the forefront that they mostly ate meat (My mother's mother was born in 1880). The food supply sucks, there is no other way than carnivore
@@thomasgronek6469 My grandfather and uncle always ate of plenty lard, eggs, milk and beans. Grandfather was nearly100 years my uncle is still alive 99 years. My father ate the modern diet only 63.
Went on Keto diet and started using too much almond flour, sure noticed the joint pain from it! Cutting out on oxalate + started supplementing with Potassium citrate and Magnesium citrate helped me recover quickly.
So is Sally Norton. I love her videos on oxalates
Hi Elliott, just subbed after watching your brilliant overview of oxalates. I learned so much.
Anyway just wanted to extend my appreciation and I hope that your channel grows beyond belief !!!
It is just such a blessing lately having all these like minded people working together to spread the word.
I meant the oxilate talk you did on Bart Kay's channel. Just watching this one now.
You've conveyed some pretty complex information in a clear way here. On a subject more people need to know about. Takes some doing. Liked.
Ox-list: I suggest to change some plants that are not high and you put them in your list, like ZUCCHINI. Change it for KIWI, high and not seen as a berry by most people. Also though you are right with potatoes and leeks, they are not that high! Potatoes are eaten by many lowox people, by boiling in pieces and throwing out the water. I suggest to add QUINOA to the list, as high as BUCKWHEAT!
Also, in berries, blueberries are not high.
And in "nuts", seeds like sunflower and pumkin are fine, linen too, and all oils actually. Chia is very high though...
Potatoes and sweet potatoes are some of the highest oxalate foods boiled or not
Slow poisoning from a vegan diet s a real thing.
same difference (although with vastly more moral complications/conundrums) as the hordes of cases of parasitism caused by meat consumption...sushi eaters are playing just as much a russian roulette with their health due to similar levels of ignorance...except they are adding the aspect they are eating blood/feces & dead flesh with theirs...so there is that to remember. Yes people love to state that because they cook all their stuff they are safer? Oh really? Especially with unhealthy microwaves spotty abilities in this area (literally) you are still engaging in the number one vector for parasites in all history...people putting them into their mouths.
When I heard about oxaltes and Oxalic acid i was done.. its used in industrial cleaning and aggressive commercial carwash chemicals. In place of very dangerous hydrofluorosilic acid and aluminum bifluoride..
Acetic acid and citric acid are also used, though not as agressive.
Subscribed.
Jeremy R
Yes! I am a professional cleaner so I need to be cautious- but Barkeeper’s Friend also has oxalic acid in it- how many times have people used this without gloves to clean stainless steel🥴
Fantastically terse and concise presentation of the subject, given the amount of detailed and important insights! Great thanks for putting the work into making such an informative summary!
this video and the truthful,informative content it presents,is well appreciated by those who genuinely care about the proper health & nutrition of human beings...thank you...well done...keep up the very good work...truth,respect & peace
I came over from Bart's channel to see what you were talking about, yep excellent subject and just my jam, thanks. Perhaps you can talk about "the lab blood markers" of inflammation like CRP, homocyctine, other blood marker's your viewpoint to chronic inflammation up to these brain "proteins" or wild chemical neuro-issues that could be associated wiht brain fog or ASD or other neuro diseases. Brain fog is said alot with the ex vegan's and I have continued chemical sensitivity, brain fog and joint pains.
Paracelsus : "All things are poison, and nothing is without poison, the dosage alone makes it so a thing is not a poison."
In Hippocratic medicine, the qualities in foods are analogous to the four humors in the body: too much of a single one is bad, a proper mixture is ideal,...to be healthy balance must be present
In traditional Chinese medicine, food is divided into five natures, called "siqi": cold, cool, neutral, warm and hot. The nature of food is not determined by their actual temperature, but rather by what effects they have on a person's body after consumption....to be healthy balance must be present
Except we are totally out of touch with seasonal availability and local eating.
I was making huge salads of spinach/kale/chard and snacking on almonds and dark chocolate when I started keto. Weird symptoms all over my body appeared. I'm doing an animal based diet now but I'm still feeling affects of possible oxalate build up and "dumping".
I even developed that "keto rash" which Sally Norton posits is the body detoxing oxalates.
Very important to eat whats in season! If I only just knew which foods and when
Citrates may be helpful for breaking down oxalates, but they cause other issues such as inhibiting copper function, which is important. Morley Robbins has done much research on the subject and has the Magnesium Advocacy Group on facebook where people can search for answers or ask questions. Without proper copper function, iron cannot function (free iron causes oxidative damage in the body, and anemia can result from dysfunction), histamines can get out of control, etc.
edit - still great info, just wanted to share for anyone who doesn't know about citrates. Maybe use them temporarily if suffering oxalate toxicity, but afterward stop using citrates so copper can function.
Yes I agree use it when you’re in pain from ox dumping! Before I knew I was dumping I was taking tramadol and Mobic both every 4 to 6 hours and it wasn’t touching the pain! Then I found a talk from Sally Norton and Elliot and guess what taking magnesium citrate literally stop the pain 80% in 48 hours something those big Pharma drugs could not do! So unless you’re in a dumping situation and having the pain that I had you really have no idea
@@presouz1740 I recently switched to a carnivore diet, the oxalate dumping is really bad, I would like to know what kind of magnesium citrate would be good and how much you should take. Thank you!
Jane Banks
Magnesium citrate is good but can cause a laxative effect. Calcium citrate will work also. Potassium citrate works but you can only buy it in tablet form at 99mg and the RDA is something like 3500-4000mg/day but you can get in bulk powder form.
Without proper copper function? As in adsorption? Or an inhibitor somewhere along the line that inteferes with the function of copper?
I'm wondering if elevated copper levels can actually mean copper deficiency. Like B12 and Iron. And if this is what you are referring to. Copper in most supplements is not the correct kind, I did learn that recently. But you have to watch zinc in relationship to copper, very strict ratio.
My daughter tested high for copper, and then next tested zinc and it was super duper low. Your comment made me curious about whether the copper issue you mentioned was from lack of copper in diet or malabsorbtion or if you had any more insights
@@3glitch9 I'm not sure. I'd suggest joining the FB group I mentioned, it's still very active and people ask questions all the time.
New subscriber via Bart Kay. We need to get you on with Tristan. I will drop him a line. You were great in your presentation with Bart!!!
Wow , thank you Eliot .
You got me on b1 , I work for a well known
Health food store in the states , they push all these oxilets foods . And I got into almonds . And nutts in general paying for it .
Glad I listen to what was working for me . I started to take low doses of calcium citrate .
Also had a high iron so stopped eating spinach and kale and Swiss char .
Use to eat ice Berg lettuce and Romain .
Going back to that the gutt health fascinating .really good .thank you .
Very comprehensive -EXCEPT that no mention was made about the impact on cooking greens like spinach. I had been taught that it lowers oxilatic acid. Is that correct?
Such a crisp, clear, and clean presentation on the complexity of oxalates and food toxins. Thank you
Elliot, would drinking lemon juice aid in the destruction of these oxalates and crystals? I ask this because you mentioned citrate and several studies showing lemon juice and destroy kidney stones.
Yes & acv
Ironically, I was actually making a green smoothie with kale, chard, and spinach while listening to this. Hmm 🤔 I’m a bit less enthusiastic now.
Very helpful, my friend. I’ve just suffered my second stone.
Nice video, looking forward to the next one.
Thanks for this very informative video on oxalates!
I love how knowledgeable you are; your videos are extremely valuable. Just letting you know that on your list of high oxalate foods at 2:55, kale appears twice. Presumably there is no system to the arrangement of rows & columns on the slide?
Massive thankyou for all your hard work and sharing this valuable information x
This maybe the answer to my problems !
Dootsie Williams
Yea, there worse than i thought !
I have cut down eating lots of vegetable ,my stomach feeling better now. thank you so---much.
Most informative video about oxalates. Don't eat to many oxolates!
Man, you’ve done your homework haven’t you!
I came up with that gallbladder stones are formed because there isn't enough bile to prevent them from forming. And low bile can cause indigested fat in the stomach which binds with the calcium. Increasing the chance of oxalic acid absorbtion thus forming kidney stones aswell. So this could be a link between both stones. Idk i'm not a medical student i just built interest to nutrition recently
Good logical reasoning. The very same process that leads to gallstone formation also enables the formation of kidney stones. Low bile flow can contribute to osteoporosis as well.
We want some calcium bound to oxalates in the digestive tract to keep them from being absorbed, but we also want some calcium to be absorbed unbound. Osteoporosis is, of course, about more than a simple lack of calcium, but that condition is going to be made worse if your intake is curtailed too much.
Wow!! Found you thanks to Bart Kay! Where have you been all these years! You are the rainman of antinutrients! Incredible! I can’t eat high oxalate, it’s an evil poison to my body. But how can you tell if you have the freaky genetic flaw or it’s just dietary overdose? High Oxalates flare my autoimmune diseases for sure, and I’ve had kidney stones. I use high dose magnesium citrate powder, very helpful. I’m so autoimmune and allergic, it’s suspected I’m even Alpha-Gal too as I’ve reacted to beef badly, so not as simple for me to just go carnivore. So many reactions, I should be a futuristic Star Trek type diet, of just light infused particles and IVs lol! 🤷🏼♀️ And nope, the most fancy probiotics or leaky gut protocols make zero difference, I still end up having to reach for the methotrexate 😩
Im sorry to hear that, Fiona. How do you react to other meats? There are certain tests that you can run to provide insight into these things :)
I, too, reach for the methotrexate and wonder every week if it is really helpful, have trouble digesting meat, am still trying to understand all of this, thank you for your comments and this video as well.
@@joane8651 If carnivore/keto/paleo is not working or has not worked, after trying it for a sufficient time period, I would be thinking about some kind of toxicity.
Oh wow…. I relate to you soooo much!!!
I'm particularly interested in iron and oxalates as I think have chronic low iron. Do oxalates prevent iron absorption?
17:33 brainstorming you just totally blew my mind with light bulbs flashing like all over the place as I was listening to this I thought what an application for cancer cells lies here I feel a Nobel Peace prize coming on !
Thank you. This was very informative and exactly what I was looking for.
Elliot, can you make a video on what we can or should eat 🙂🐮👏🎈
Look up Sally Norton for more interesting information on oxolates.
Thank you so much, Dr. Elliott, for this video. I have been researching this very same subject for about a year to see if I figure out my muscle pain and constant skin itch.
I'm struggling right now with high levels of histamine as well, at least it's my own diagnosis and confirmed by a doctor here. I get chronic urticaria and I take massive amounts of medications to control the itch. I take Bilastine (Blexten) and Ranitadine (Zantac). I used to be on Ceterizine (Reactine) but to that last one I have developed a bad reaction to it after using it for 5 years. Would you, Doctor Elliot, be able to dismystify this problem for me? Life is really not worth living with this constant itch. Thank you for anything you may be able to do. God bless you.
Hi Vonita. First of all, I am not a doctor :) My training is in nutrition and functional medicine, but technically I am a nutritionist - and not a medical professional. It is very difficult to say without consulting with you directly about this. I am sorry that I can not be of more help. I am available for consults if that is something you are seeking.
Eat Meat
Some medications contain oxalates. Point to consider?
Is L-citrulline close enough to citrate to be protective?
oh nice! this was really good!! Sharing!
Thank you Elliot, I found you via Bart.
Great info, subbed.
Do added salts such as pink salt and potassium chloride worsen the concentration of oxalates?
I would like to know this also because I love my Celtic sea salt and it does seem when I overdo my salt I do have more body pain it’s like my blood is poisoned. But I need myself to keep my vertigo away I don’t know what else to do
@@presouz1740 that's because the oceans are extremely polluted nowadays. What's causing mass die-offs in aquatic life obviously is going to affect your body as well.
Is oxalate concentrated in one part of the food? For example, is it in the peel or husk rather than the core? Can high oxalate food sources be prepared in ways that dispose of the oxalate?
Well done mate, will watch now and comment :)
I am working on learning some of what you have to teach on both oxalates and also on thiamine mega-dosing. I wonder if you might recommend any video or channels on earlier academic subjects to help lay the foundation. It seems we can get quite an education from the internet nowadays. And I am thankful for your videos!
Thank you so much! I'm so grateful!
Question: Why would I crave the taste of oxalates? I am really in tune with my body and I can feel that I need a nominal amount of them. I certainly don't go overboard but unlike everyone else I know, my body specifically asks me for cocoa nibs, chard, beets, dandelion, and chicory root tea. Could it be my gut bacteria? Or do I not produce enough? No, I do not eat a diet high in oxalates but the fact that I love the taste of them has always puzzled me. Also, I am very healthy with no joint pain or inflammation. And lastly, can you cite the studies that give evidence of the examples of the damage that oxalates do in the body? There are so many studies of isolated phyto-compounds that are not even relevant because the way these compounds are used in the human body is much more complex than what can be demonstrated in a study using just the isolated compound. Also, most people make their green smoothies with fruit that contains citric acid. I don't drink them but my point is that they may not be that bad for people.
Go with your gut. No pun intended
Dear Deeeeeeear DEAR Elliot🤗,
Where is the Epidode 2, 3, and so on ? 😍
Hi, great informative video. Which do you recommend as being the best sources of citrate and calcium? Thank you very much.
Calcium citrate, magnesium citrate, potassium citrate
@@jennamb87 thank you
This is why I soak all my seeds and make grains into a porridge through bathing at least overnight, rinsing twice over and subsequently freezing.
Also why I purchase chanca piedra on an annual basis and use ACV. Hopefully my home made sauerkraut will keep me topped up in those specific areas too.
Bit of a b__lache I must admit, but not everything should be consumed immediately straight out of a packet or be served post adding boiling water.
That's but one of the reasons we're collectively in such bad shape as a nation. May we see the light...together.
What does the freezing do? This is really interesting 🧐
@@honeybeeblossom5846 Frozen water expands and takes up more volume. This breaks down the internal structure of the seeds, porridge or even our water pipes - like when we get a cold snap.
With the cell wall compromised, less digestive is required to break it down further and more nutrition can be utilised from within.
@@robertrowan9893 oh that’s amazing thank you so much for replying 😊
@@honeybeeblossom5846 nothing according to Sally k Norton
omg My brain went AWOL after you said, Hello I'm Elliot :( I wish i was smarter so I could follow and understand this because it sounds super interesting and i love the way you present the info and explain everything. Maybe ill try during the day and not 2am. :(
What about ACV for decreased oxalate crystalization? How about high doses of vitamin D3 too ? Susan Owens...thanks. The medical care 💅😘 in my are is very bad 😞😔. Thank You 🤗😊❤️💖
Thanks for the most excellent content.
Great presentation!
Much appreciated! 👍
So drinking natural mountain water usually high in magnesium and particularly calcium would naturally protect against this problem.
I started drinking natural mineral Waters such as magnesia and gemerka, both of them are from central Europe. They help me a lot with my post viral CFS
Thank you for sharing your valuable knowledge.
the US Department of Agriculture (in 2008) again confirmed that kale had 2mg of oxalate in every 100g. Kale is not considered to be high in oxalate...I'm planning my garden around low oxalate veggies...
Interesting video. Please avoid standing before the wall clock. Thanks
Thank you, Elliot. 👌
Wow amazing information!! Thanks! Subscribing now
Are sugar alcohols high in oxalates? Sugar alcohols are erythritol and LoHan sweetener. And is soaked spelt ok after ground into flour? Thanks
Thank you, Elliot. Seriously.
Hi there, anyone. I get inflammation from all gluten and all dairy, and oxalates near knock me out, I feel like I have nothing left to eat. After this, what can I actually live on?
Look into the Carnivore diet and Keto
Question: If spinach contains high amount of Oxylates as well as a certain amount of Calcium doesn’t it cancel one another therefore spinach would not be as harmful as it looks?
Yes Spinach is absolutely great for you. I eat 4 cups a day plus broccoli.
Collard greens are great too!
He says the spinach contains oxylate & calcium so you don't get the benefit of the calcium and get the negative effects of oxylate. Cooked spinach, and throwing out the cook water, then stir frying is best preparation method for lesd oxylates.
If Oxalates are high will sulfate be low? I once heard oxalate bind to sulfate before it gets out of the body
Do you recommend taking calcium citrate and magnesium citrate to remove oxalates?
Dave Jones that’s from my understanding if you’re going through a dumping situation otherwise no but I could be wrong
That is what the oxalate Queen expert stated to take. Potassium magnesium and calcium citrate.
How do I get rid of oxalates in the mitochondria? My energy levels are not the best, pls help.
New friend here. Ty for sharing your knowledge with us ALL. Happy Holidays for you and yours. HUGS and blessings from NY State 🎄☃️👍
What if you cook spinach and kale? Still same?
I have a problem with oxalate and lectin... not an easy issue
Hi taking apple cider helps to discard oxalate?
Great work Elliott.
Thank you !
What is one supposed to eat?
I really want to know too because I am tired
Excellent material. Thanks.
How about Gallstones?
So what is the appropriate diet for humans?
Animal products - meat, eggs, fish.
Absolutely amazing information! Sir, if I may ask is there any information on how to reduce oxalate content most effectively in plants?
Eating calcium containing foods alongside the oxalate/or before. Egg shell calcium will do the trick. Also, maintaining a healthy gut barrier and fat digestion is going to be key.
@Hrvoje Batrnek I don't see how plants are more 'basic' than animals, perhaps you mean plants are simpler and cruder? At any rate, plants are way more sophisticated and much fitter compared to the animal kingdom. At the cellular level plants have 2 autonomous organelles that ensure completely sustainable and greatly independent cell energetics, while being highly efficient. Don't forget that the animal kingdom could arise only because of the waste product (oxygen) of pro- and pre-plantae forms of life.
@Hrvoje Batrnek I had implied their cellular machinery and that it is way more advanced than animal cells in some aspects, while you got it all wrong thanks to lack of education. I am neither a vegan nor a carnivore, I am educated which you obviously are not.
@Hrvoje Batrnek Get hold of your emotions, I am not here for street talks and bro science. Secondly, I never mentioned nutrition and I can never debate nutrition with someone whose basic knowledge about plants is none to zero. As I said, I'm neither a vegan nor a carnivore, I am trying to put together the entire map of biochemistry and human biology, and all available research to reach some, at least, basic conclusions about nutrition. Additionally, I do work in labs. I can tell you that there's a lot of adequate research and info already in existence about food biochemistry, but no one on youtube, except for some MDs and researches has any clue about what they're talking about. I can tell you that eating substance X and its effect on your body doesn't only depend on the nutritional value, chemical conatituents and contaminants of X but also the haemodynamics of the eater and its commensal partners at the time of eating. It's a very finely tuned and complicated equation with many variables. I won't go any further, because, I know I,m wasting my time.
Just a perspective:
Ikarians and Okinawans, among others, being the longest lived people on Earth based on predominantly plant foods and small amounts of animal foods shouldn't be mentally and physically all right at above 100, right? Wait, let alone being fit, they shouldn't be 90+ years old at all, right, because of your sane 'logic'. Good luck with your logic, quick conslusions and extreme decisions are usually futile.
@Hrvoje Batrnek The only thing that makes me sad is that you've lived 37 years and adopted no good manners, nor any bit of intelligence. This is my last response, for you got more attention from me than you'll ever deserve in life. My final note to you is, knowledge is sought, once you think you have all the answers, your chances are gone, probably that's why you're standing in front of me at 37 w/o basic understanding. Hope you don't end up in the ER by believing everyone on YT, because they all promote only ideas, that people like you take for religion.
That's the end of our correspondence.
Will lemon juice or acv to brake down oxalates
You are beyond Brilliant 💗
brilliant! very helpful !
How do you recommend to obtain the recommended amount of magnesium? The foods that are high in magnesium (Spinach, chocolate, peanuts) are also high in oxalates. What am I supposed to do?
Eat meat
@@markhedger6378 But meat is kinda low in magnessium
@@burt591 Try fatty fish.
Eat a banana
Animal products The soil is too depleted to have magnesium in plants foods
Thanks for explaining this so well. I’m subscribing to your channel for more!
Pretty certain Susan Owens tested zucchini as low oxalate.
Thank you
you should be as (or more) famous than Dr Berg.
More graphics to win that matchup
18:35 ..ACV AND VITAMIN D3 ... MY best suggestions. Be careful to not under or over
Would appreciate information on how to get this Out of the body.
Go carnivore
Is it possible to degrade or remove oxalic acid from solution using electrolysis?
What is the antidote found in nature? I suspect there is one but have not heard this discussed yet.
I’ve heard another lecture on the topic. Potassium, calcium, magnesium CITRATE forms is helpful
Plants are stressors. A little can hep you in someways just like exercise stresses you and you recover to a stronger person. Most of our nutrition should come from animals. eating a little fruit and veg in season can help make us stronger
Maybe... maybe not.
Amazing stuff
On day 40 of the carnivore diet, coming from a low carb diet. I suffer badly with dry eye, with excruciating painful attacks regularly. Since being carnivore, my attacks are happening more often, from two episodes per month to four/five. Could this be a sign of oxalate dumping?
no, this diet is killing you. Run away.
@@dudegovegan4122 Then how come so many DOCTORS are on Carnivore??? It's the PLANTS that are killing you.
I was just on a low oxalate site that said zucchini is very low oxalate? The lists never seem to agree!!
Don't eat any of them - vegetables and fruit.
@@dybusmariusz zucchini are considered vegetables
@@tanyawieczorek6603 and that's why I don't eat vegetables. Zucchini might be low in oxalates BUT has some other antinutrients 😂🤣
Please please tell me, do you think it can also manifest in hair loss or telogen effluvium
I have severe oxalate sensitivity and have done extensive research. I have never run across a study regarding hair loss. The only thing even close is that a build up of hydrogen peroxide causes gray hair, but that isn't what you are asking :p
Natasha van Gelder An interview I saw, oxalate can lower Biotin. Biotin is connected to hair loss. I think also B 1,2,6