Oh my! I got rid of all the vegetable oils . I only have olive oil and butter. Whatever will I do? Oh, I haven’t stocked up on veggies either. Maybe I am off the hook?
I'm a Health Pro & so grateful for this video. I had a ca ox stone (4.4mm) > 2 years ago that I was able to pass. I see NOW that I have STILL eaten too many oxylate-rich foods. I'm transitioning to eating CARNIVORE as a lifestyle & have finally lost very stubborn weight. I no longer even want vegetables, thank God. I've recently noticed some sharp, right lower quad pain (characteristic of a kidney stone) returning. I'm drinking lemon water, & water with drops of Chanca Piedra in it (to help dissolve & pass kidney stones) & I carefully monitor/avoid oxylates & add some calcium containing food to bind up what oxylste I might be getting. I eat mostly beef, butter, eggs, & bacon. I suspect I'm probly having some oxylate dumping. Again, THIS VIDEO is SO TIMELY & HELPFUL I pray I can get my husband to engage with, & get used to CARNIVORE LIFESTYLE.
How much Chanca Piedra do you use? I want to start it but I'd like to go low and slow ... worried about a possible reaction. Did you start yours with a full dose? TIA!
Sounds like you've been listening to dr. Ken berry. Right? I've cut out all grains. Dr. Osborne. And now just learning about oxalates. What a pain as I love chocolate!!
@@tanyawieczorek6603 Hi Tanya. My hubby & I do carnivore no more than about 2 days a week at this point. The other 5 days we do super low carb. We fast consistently & regularly for 16-18 hours a day, which I think ha made the biggest difference in our heallth. We've both lost 20 lbs & have kept it off. My husband's labs & repeat (after 5 years) CAC exam results were all excellent. We have good energy & stay well.
Excellent info. Walking away from plants changed my life after suffering with CFS/ME and fibromyalgia since 1987...I'm a new person. Thanks for the show! Truth in Love💕
Alecia Lynn Thank you for commenting. I find this so encouraging as I suffer CFS/Fibromyalgia and have been eating a carnivore diet for almost 3 months. I can feel improvement and am now further reassured that I’m on the right track ☺️
Alecia Lynn -I am also suffering the same,plus other stuff and major autoimmune issues,Im now mainly carnivore and feel more comfortable but I still drink a coffee in the morning but I think this may have to go too?Im so glad you feel better,its a long journey working out what helps.
@@blackbirdsinging6264 I do drink a cup of coffee now and then as a treat, keeping it keto with ghee and Sweet leaf stevia. The coffee and stevia are organic and I get away with it most.of the time.
I’m still having one coffee with cream each day. I keep thinking I should drop the dairy but can’t quite bring myself to do it. I do believe we’ll all have a better chance of healing in Keto/Carnivore than anything else on offer. Best wishes & keep the faith 🧚🏼♂️
Thank you both so much for a fantastic conversation.. I had loads of digestive issues so started on Keto 2022 by September i had the vulvular issues with cloudy urine with intense pain My gynecologist gave me antibiotics!!!!!! Fortunately i started Carnivore diet October 2022 and i am so blown away by my improvement, only now i realize the carnivore diet saved me without me even knowing about oxilates..... Now i do, thanks so much!!!!
Fascinating ! I am 66 and when I was a child there was not the explosion of chronically ill children that I see it today’s world ! Thank you Elliot, I am loving the results we are getting with your advice on THIAMINE deficiency . And now to reduce our Oxalates. 👍
My 8 year old son got stones under his tongue. We happened to be eating a lot of kale that year. It was so disturbing (he had 3 bouts) that I did some deep research and found oxalates as being the cause. Very interesting topic. More doctors need to know about this.
Not true it’s on the High Ox food list . I know some lists are conflicting but kale is to be avoided if you are avoiding ox * lettuce / bok choy are the only low ox one I know of right now
Ug kale and I don't get along. Even though it's full of vitamins I can't digest it . Spinach is fine . Just vary which veggies you eat not same thing every day.
Thank you Elliot, I have just figured out my skin problem is caused from oxalate, lots of oxalate crystals are out off from my skin, just likes the pictures showing on your background. I have taken almond milk for many years, beets juice, spinach, sweet potato and green tea . My dermatologist treated my problem as allergy and my symptoms are worse. Since I watch your and Sally's presentation about the oxalate dumping, I voided all the oxalate food and my symptoms are getting much better.
@Wei Gu actually cutting yourself off from oxalates can create your body to go into an oxalate dump. Hi. I've been studied at the Mayo clinic. I only have one good working kidney, the other one is transverse malrotated malformed. It barely functions. I throw a lot of my minerals that I need away. Not only that I have SNP gene mutations known as MTHFR... as well as a connective tissue disorder EDS hypermobile and vascular. I actually lack a specific bacteria that helps us break down the oxalates. What he's talking about also there is a link within the RCC x Gene, hypermobility and calcium oxalates. I was part of a two and a half year study at Mayo clinic. When they cut all of my oxalates out. It was hell on wheels for me. I couldn't hold back the tears falling from my face from the pain that I was in. My levels were astronomical. When doing so it triggered my body to do a huge oxalate dump. In this time it was thought go get a massage you'll feel better. It looked like someone had beaten me up. While massaging me, not knowing the oxalate shards that were in my muscle fascia were tearing cutting and bruising me. My doctor finally put two and two together and was like oh my God it's a dump. What you're doing is hurting yourself. Okay let's reassess. I eat micron amounts of oxalate only to keep myself from doing a huge oxalate dump. I had 27 years, Ingesting oxalates. This is not a process that is going to fix itself in a few months or even a few years. My doctor told me, this is going to take some time. I would love to be tested to see if I have that genetic syndrome where my liver makes oxalates. I only allow myself 3 g of oxalate. A week. For the very fact that if I don't keep this within my system. I'm not joking. It will be like I am peeing tea. The amount of blood in my urine is an astronomical sight. The pain that I will have burning within my muscles. Just unbelievable. Right now I am going to be tested for myasthenia gravis. Sadly, I've had this since an injection I was forced to get when I was 19 to keep my job. A flu shot. Gave me Guillain-Barre syndrome. I haven't been the same since. 10 days on a ventilator 16 days total three and a half weeks of physical therapy to learn how to walk again. It took me one year and 3 months to get back to my job. Professional dancer. I could only work every other day or every other day. It took me another year to be able to work doubles again. Ever since then I have been up and down with my health. The carnivore keto diet, clean keto lack of oxalate. Has been a godsend. Yet I fall short every single winner. The lack of sunlight. The coldness on my body. And apparently this is a skeletal muscular disease. It's finally hit my eyes and bladder. And this is considered late stage of the disease. I have been telling my doctors over and over there's a problem with my eyes there's a problem with my eyes. I'm seeing double. They blame it on the oxalates. I'm like no this is different. I get exhausted I feel like my body is beat up I can't lift my arms above my head it feels like I'm wearing a weighted suit on my body and I'm walking through water. Like it's hard to walk. Finally, my eye doctor says oh my goodness has anyone tested you for myasthenia gravis? A doctor gave me the medication to see, if I would get better or not. Instantly I did so I've gotten the okay to go ahead and get the blood test. Sadly my appointment isn't until June. My god. What a wait. If this is the case. The carnivore diet is the most essential diet to heal this. I know this to be fact because I go in and out of remission. I fall short in the winter the cold is too hard on my muscles and my body. I get weak and I sleep a lot. We've got to move back down south. Because the winter weather every single winter I fall hard. I'm done with this cycle. But back to your oxalates. Be very careful when removing all oxalates. I'm not joking. Please look up the information about oxalate dumping from removing all oxalates. I would hate for you to actually have a severe issue with them and go through what I went through. Although you may not. But for your future or anyone else that you know. This is a good piece of information to have. No information is bad information. Good luck godspeed.
As soon as I dropped oxalates from my diet swelling in my right hand that had been bothering me for years, after a car accident, completely went away. Still have to strengthen the hand but the experience really showed me how important what we eat is to our health and inflammation and pain levels.
TLDR • Oxalates are plant compounds used by plants to defend against predators. • Oxalates can exist in various forms, including sharp crystals that can cause mechanical damage. • They can bind with minerals in the body, forming oxalate salts. • Oxalates are found in many popular plant-based foods like spinach, cacao, beetroot, and almonds. • Unlike other plant compounds, oxalates cannot be broken down by the body and can accumulate over time. • Oxalates can cause irritation and damage to mucous membranes and soft tissues in the gastrointestinal tract. • The conversation highlights the importance of being aware of oxalate content in the diet and its potential impact on health. Some people react strongly to eating high-oxalate foods like kiwi. • Oxalate in kiwi and other foods can cause a burning or stinging sensation. • Oxalate is a highly abrasive chemical that can damage tissues. • Oxalate doesn't decompose like other molecules when consumed. • Oxalate has been known as a metabolic toxin for centuries. • Overconsumption of high-oxalate foods can be fatal. • Foods like spinach, berries, sweet potatoes, nuts, and chocolate are high in oxalate. • Oxalate content varies in foods, affected by soil and measurement techniques. • Misunderstanding leads to overconsumption of high-oxalate foods for perceived health benefits. • Oxalate lacks metabolic benefits unlike other phytonutrients. • Oxalate is a toxin that needs to be eliminated from the body. Oxalate and its effects on the body: • When ingested, oxalate from foods like spinach is broken down and absorbed through the mouth, esophagus, and stomach. • Factors like gut health and calcium presence influence oxalate absorption in the intestine. • Gut bacteria like oxalobacter can help degrade oxalate, but modern factors like antibiotics impact gut health. • Oxalate binds to calcium, forming insoluble compounds that are excreted through feces. • Soluble and free oxalate is absorbed into the bloodstream, processed in the liver, and then excreted via the kidneys. • Factors influencing oxalate absorption: • High oxalate diet, leaky gut, digestive issues, antibiotics, surgeries, medications impact oxalate absorption. • Oxalobacter bacteria degrade oxalate; antibiotics can decrease their presence, leading to increased oxalate absorption. • Excessive oxalate intake can inhibit oxalobacter, leading to higher absorption. • Oxalate can deposit in various tissues, causing mechanical and biochemical damage. • Oxalate's harmful effects: • Oxalate crystals can accumulate in different tissues, causing issues like kidney stones and joint pain. • Kidneys filter oxalate but can be overwhelmed, leading to crystal formation. • Oxalate crystals can deposit in organs, joints, muscles, connective tissue, causing pain and dysfunction. • Oxalate disrupts mitochondria, inhibiting energy production and causing oxidative stress. • Oxalate can replace biotin on enzymes, leading to dysfunction and affecting systemic energy metabolism. • Modern health concerns: • Mitochondrial dysfunction is implicated in various chronic illnesses, often linked to the rise of oxalate-related issues. Oxalate is related to a bioenergetic deficit where cells can't produce enough energy. • Oxalate is a key suspect due to our modern toxic environment and increased consumption. • Oxalate-containing foods like rhubarb are available year-round, unlike historical eating patterns. • 24/7 access to high oxalate foods overwhelms the body's capacity to handle it. • Oxalate accumulation might lead to a range of conditions beyond kidney stones. • Oxalate could contribute to vulvodynia, arthropathy, breast cancer, Crohn's disease, ulcers, autism, etc. • Oxalate can trigger inflammation, including in the brain, and activate the inflammasome. • Lack of funding leads to limited research, and symptoms can be misattributed to other causes. • While oxalates might not be the sole cause, they could contribute to various health issues. • People noticed miraculous changes when they removed oxalates from their diet. • Excretion of oxalates occurs after dietary changes. • Common but poorly researched phenomenon. • Lack of comprehensive research due to focus on kidneys and genetics. • The low oxalate community has grown over two decades. • Anecdotal evidence can serve as valuable data when scientific proof is lacking. • Similar symptoms observed in people without genetic conditions. • High oxalate diet's potential negative impact compared to detox in vegan diets.
Your info is great. I'd love to learn how to increase gut oxalo bactertia to break down oxalates. I like dark chocolate & pecans & am trying to limit eating them. I don't eat much of the other high oxalate foods. Not eating much veg & fruit has helped too.
I was a vegan for 6.5yrs and 1.5 yrs of that I was a Raw Food Vegan. My skin looked great, BUT .. as a raw foodist, I got gaot or gaot-like symptoms that would (seemingly) random pop up and then disappear. My husband got kidney stones months after going vegan. Never understood the root cause of those things. Makes sense, now.
I suffered from a overdose of Oxalates 3 years ago, undiscribale pain. I over night changed my diet once realising what was going on. I to this day only eat, Meat, Eggs, Cheese and fish. The attacks are becoming less painful and further apart.
Can you describe this pain? I still dont know if my symptops are related to oxalates or something else... very hard to diagnose. I was eating a LOT of dark chocolate and sesame seeds
@Zofia Skokowska Dr's recommending parents give it to children for constipation instead of magnesium (a basic electrolytes they were likely deficient in away), is CRIMINAL. There's no such thing as food grade polyethylene glycol because it's not food. It's literally poison that causes little kids to become mentally ill for the rest of their lives.
I had an old girlfriend years ago who was mostly vegetarian. Not weird or militant about it, she just didn't like meat much at all. Looking back I realize now why she suffered from chronic migraines, psoriasis, arthritis and she always complained of being cold. Must have been all those plants to blame I bet!
I’ve been eating all the highest oxalate foods for at least the last five years as the biggest part of my diet. Just recently noticing kidney problems and also possibly thyroid issues . This discussion is both a rather angering nightmare considering this has been known for so long and also a blessing. Thank you for this 🙏
It’s also really sad when I realized that my father and his horrible death was probably related to the push to eat more plants during the 1980s. My mom was so nutrition conscious and she followed. The pyramid advice pretty closely. That’s when our health started to deteriorate.
OMFG!!! This was an eye opener for me. My miseries self-inflicted, eating and drinking according to the healthy lifestyle of predominantly fruits and veggies, raw cacao, and coffee for years and years and years. Joints, bladder and urethras, vaginal tissue feeling like shards of broken glass, and a whole host of other ISH. So misguided. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
To relieve your self-recriminations ALL of these diets including the alternative diets like keto and carnivore are still social engineering by controlled opposition to get people to run from one disaster to another without identifying the key reason why everything went wrong. The only blame that people can heep on themselves is actually believing that blending bananas with kale was ever a good idea, let alone healthy.
After going Keto I began to have EXTREME itching on my torso. I tore holes in myself! Turns out I had stones in my liver that caused a bile duct obstruction and I was put on a Low Ox diet. Turned out I had been eating a VERY high oxalate diet my entire life! My Mom used to brag that my brother and I loved swiss chard, spinach, rhubarb, that was grown by my grandma.
Typically your elders (in this case, your grandmother) possess a lot of wisdom (knowledge) which in turn was handed down to them by their elders. I would not dismiss her food choices too quickly. How old is your grandmother? Is she healthy?
Thank you for the info. This is Great. For years 20+ many juice fasts many blended salads with the idea of cleansing. The pain in my back and legs would not go away. Since I have been 1 year low oxilate. Free from pain.
I have been trying to understand motivations for many years now. Was there something pressing that you wanted to change in your health so that you went to those extremes? or did you just do it because it was promoted as a healthy thing to do?
I had digestive issues for years and years, tried every diet. GP said stop eating root vegetables, (potatoes eaten most often). Hey presto, only three days with no potatoes, I’m nearly 100% better.
yes.night shade vegetables.i got the same problem.its all started with leaky gut then became digestive issues and for some reason, a skin problem like psoriasis.
@Owi Owi we are talking about natural meat not mcdonald's processed meat patty.theres no long term vegan study yet, only vegetarian and lacto ovo which consume dairies like milk, yogurt, ghee and butter.you sounds like new vegan, its very easy to tell because weve been there before you
We've all been brainwashed into believing MORE is better. When actually eating, LESS is better. People are over consuming everything including foods. Stop over eating!
That's not even logical. Tell that to any wild animal. They eat to their satiety and the availability of food. Grossly obese people were probably injured by Pertussis toxin in vaccines that destroyed their pancreas cells. The drive to eat might be because at the cellular level they are literally starving. Outside of the other nutter diets out there, well beyond Keto which is a form of starvation diet, there are real starvation diets. None of this is natural. None of this can be witnessed in nature. The only time that an animal stops eating is when it is sick. Whoops! made my own point....
@@vaccinefraud5570 so why don't we have obese animals in nature? And you're wrong, they stop eating when supplies end! Then they travel to a new location to acquire more food....Oh wow, they actually exercise before eating ...by the way I'm an American, and I have received ALL THE VACCINES giving to Citizens here and only weigh 130 lbs...how come I'm not obese??? I think you need to learn more about human biology and physiology. I have relatives dying from obesity because of ignorant information like the BS you're attempting to spread. And people who have recovered from taking my advice
@@vaccinefraud5570 No they are simply putting too much of the wrong kind of food in their mouths. Until recently (I'm old) people were not fat because they did not eat fast food. There was no fast food. Gasp.! Yes ,I grew up before there was a MacDonald's. Before there were frozen meals, before there was processed food. You know if you wanted cookies you had to bake them. It is eating food that is full of sugar or even worse corn syrup, fats , salt etc. to make cheap stuff taste good that is bad. People choose to be fat and ill because they can't be bothered to cook. To be healthy you have to cook from scratch. Real vegetables, real fruit (no sugar needed) etc.
@@8675-__ You can be "skinny-fat". You can be ectomorph and still have a high BMI and BF%. 67-70% of the US is overweight. He is not wrong about oxalates. You can follow Stephanie Person. She's in her mid 50's and looks 20 something. She cut them out and eats an extremely restrictive diet, as do I.
Terrifying! Doctors missed this day at school. I tried for years to do the "healthy" diet full of vegetables, fruit, nuts. I got a big old kidney stone for it, not to mention lethargy, weight gain, weakness, hormonal issues. I went carnivore and in a matter of weeks i felt better, lost weight, even got better digestion & colon function. I managed the oxalate dumping with small cups of tea each morning. I had actually been eating a higher and higher oxalate diet in quest of better health. Hah!
Could you say more about managing oxalate dumping with tea? I am using tea and spices however I'm not sure how much I should be aiming for? I don't want the caffeine in black tea so am using Dandy Blend but am unsure how much oxalate it has.
This info is so valuable. Years ago I was on a meat and veggies diet plus some whole grains It was great to lose weight but noticed how my sinus infection did not ameliorate, improved but remained there. As result of the brainwashing I decided to dump the meat, how could veggies be the coolprit? What a bad decision...one year as vegan has done so many damages I had to avoid any plant material for another year to stop the gut issues. I eat some veggies now, only local and in season and a few times a week. Listening to my gut, the alt signals are so loud and clear 😅. My heel is the only to still suffer from an accumulation of calcium, a spike under it that creates permanent inflamation. Suppose it is oxalates dumping from these many yeasr of high plant consumption. No more hill running for me. Same happening to the elbow, I do intense weighted pull ups, dips etc. The hypotesis of oxalates attracted by inflamation seems very real
I was doing the same thing, green leafy veges raw and cooked, meat and fish no grains. lost some weight and felt a little better. But still had some joint pain. I was eating a hand full of almonds every day as a snack. dropped them and it went away. Then dropped all plant products and went carnivore and never looked back. Never felt so good. I am 64.
If you do have an oxalate buildup you most likely have a tendency to kidney stones, but it's actually pretty easily solved by adding a bit of potassium bicarbonate to your diet like a few grams depending on symptoms. Potassium salts are generally very soluble which is why they wash out of "cleaned" food, but it works to your advantage regarding oxalates since it makes oxalates far more soluble in urine which makes it easier for your body to get rid of it (both the stones and the body load) but if you are low on potassium (cell concentration, not blood) it might take a while as your body has a tendency to fill up first and the average man has about 400g of potassium stored in cells and bone. Be aware it's an antacid though and as such too much can impair nutrient absorption from lowering stomach acid.
There is a trigger point where the calf meets the Achilles that sends pain to heel it will be tender body sends calcium to where pain is making a viscious circle apply pressure to the trigger point everyday til pain. Goes away ...it works I am massage therapist and have done this for myself and clients...hugs hope this helps
Elliot is the answer to my prayers...at last, I feel to be in control of our health through his generosity in sharing his knowledge. Thank you Elliot 😚
I’ve always had a natural aversion to most fruits and vegetables. I have rarely eaten them during the last 40 years after childhood of course. I’m 56 now, rarely sick and never had a weight problem. I don’t desire sweets. Thank god I didn’t listen when I was told I should eat more fruits and vegetables.
I've always loved meat but I also loved meat in combination with bread i.e hamburgers, sandwiches, there is literally nothing more tasty that I can imagine. Before being health conscious, I ate sugar filled pastries, donuts, sandwiches, hot dogs, every single day SO I feel like I can't trust my cravings. Meat yes, but bread? Some people really do need to listen to others to become healthy.
I've been doing a low oxalate diet now for several weeks and have noticed some wonderful improvements! My sister has been going to many different doctors to figure out what was going on with her and they believe it's a problem with oxalates. Will she and I have similar symptoms except hers had progressed much more than mine because she had started eating a vegan diet and juicing years before I did. Since I've stopped eating so many oxalates my foot pain that I've had for 2 years has gone away completely, my hip pain and general stiffness in all my muscles has gone away. My shoulder pain is almost all the way gone it's wonderful! I am absolutely sure I was consuming way too many oxalates four years! Everything that they list is being high in oxalates I was consuming on a regular basis. Now I'm just dealing with some of the dumping symptoms. I think it will take months maybe even years for my body to heal itself. But praise God that my sister brought this to my attention
@@akosreke8963 well thanks for asking :-) actually, yes! I am feeling much better. I even had covid July of 2020 and have completely recovered from that as well. I actually feel better than I've felt in five years. I am absolutely sure that the oxalates were what was making me feel so stiff and racked with joint pain. All of my symptoms are gone and I am so grateful!
I tried to tell my sister about this. She has had so many ailments, doctor visits, surgeries, and she didn't want to hear it. "I'm not quitting my wheat." was her response. We have been grinding our own for several years. Thought it had all the health benefits. I'm just not sure any more.
I’m curious.. with high blood pressure possibly causing artery damage, can oxalates bind with calcium in the blood and build up in the heart arteries and eventually cause heart attacks? Any info on this? Now that I know that buildup in the arteries is not caused by cholesterol, I wonder if this could be a factor in heart attacks?
My mind is blown! I feel even more passionate to start a self-sufficient farm/buy from my local farmers. Thank you both for an incredibly informative podcast, it was liberating. #carnivore
And people look at me when I tell them "Nope, No Plants, NEVER" like I'd just grown a third eye! 😂 Great show! Think I have my own issues with oxalates going in the right direction.
Same here. People tell me how good I look but when I tell them how I got that way they act like I'm crazy which hurts because I see what the S.A.D. diet is doing to my kids and friends.
Just found your channel. Started carnivore 3 weeks ago. Just recently I got slammed with a plethora of old pains. Left me almost completely debilitated for a day and a half. Thank you for the info
@@frankiesfairyboytwinkclub yes just recently here in Australia it was reported pink salt has 25 times the legal amount of iron. I have never liked to use it. Celtic salt is beter IMO
When I initially went keto (and later carnivore) my go to dessert was dark choc with a schmear of peanut butter. I had it every day just bc I needed that as a sort of crutch. I’d never eaten that much choc regularly in my life. After about a month I noticed my feet were hurting pretty badly for no reason. This went on for months, and then after a while I was able to give up the dessert. After some time (couple weeks?) my feet went completely back to normal. Pretty sure it was the choc bc I’ve eaten lots of pb and never had foot pain.
Could've been the peanut butter. For years I ate it and developed gut issues that cleared up when I stopped eating it. Even a Tableapoon now effects me. Almond butter too.
It is interesting that awareness of oxalates has only become more widespread since "plant-based" diets have become popular. The trend of drinking "green smoothies", made with nut milk, frequently almond milk, and spinach or chard or other deep leafy greens, which are all high oxalate foods, has increased remarkably in the past few years. Apparently oxalate toxicity has increased along with this trend. Thank you, Elliot, for bringing this information out so that those who may be susceptible to this toxicity can benefit from that knowledge.
Not to the extent of Vegans, but I think a large number of Paleo/Primal folk, myself included, got blindsided by our relationship with plants. To the plants I say, no more!
@@jimtipton8888 , There has been a push from authorities for the last 100 years or more to characterize plants as unquestionably healthy and animals as unhealthy and possibly carcinogenic. Might be something to do with the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Or it just might be that we all tend to view plants as inherently healthy and animals as inherently unhealthy. Why we tend to think like this is worthy of analysis. It's a loss of contact from our origins and heritage, so it seems.
Martin Irving I completely agree. Between the influence of the Seventh Day and times of famine, plants have come into favor. They should always be a secondary option, definitely not the optimal food.
It is interesting that awareness of oxalates has only become more widespread since the "carnivore" diet became a thing. Plant based diets have been pushed for decades, like your friend Martin Irving literally just said, so you two both just contradicted yourself. I agree that we consume too much processed plant food, but eating plants in a normal way and not consuming them excessively is fine and should offer health benefits. Also, ensuring that your microbiome is healthy is as important. Yes, meat relieves symptoms, but it is a slow death for those who only eat that stuff.
I was high-ox for decades, ugh. Pain/symptoms can be head to toe. It depends where you have build-up, past injuries, weak areas: gut, bladder, joint, skin issues etc (I had them all). Everyone is a little different. Dumping sucks but gets better rather than a mediocre or horrible life long term. I kept denying I had ox issues for years because the dumping threw me off. Dont be like me and suffer needlessly.
I love the fact that more and more people are reporting the oxalate problems. I really wish that we could get more information on what to eat and what not to eat and a correct list.
I know what you mean, I’ve pulled 3 lists off the internet and they contradict each other on certain foods. I am thinking beef, butter, bacon and eggs for an elimination diet. No one lists these as high oxalate.
Scary story!! When I was “healthy” I was making my green smoothie where I jam packed my nutribullet with spinach (probably one cup!), 90% chocolate square, cocoa, almond milk, and my vegan protein! After that period I had to get sinus surgery because I had chronic congestion in my nose but now when dumping I get that burnt roof of my mouth that I think is because of all those high oxalate smoothies!
I was making a daily shake with fresh spinach and my gallbladder was killing me. I realized it was the oxalates in spinach and I eliminated the spinach & came across oxalates & finally learned about this & lectins
I have been trying to go carnivore. Incredible pain in my feet and hands, cloudy urine the whole bit! Why have I not heard of this? Thank you. I grieve, Straight up grief for Coco
Also, think about tea. And really, go thru a ten % a week decrease or you will really hurt yourself. Even after ten weeks i was still having joint pain and straight up crystals in my urine.
Peter Cyr I am considering the same thing here too. Oxalates are evil! I have realized that if you don’t kill what you eat then what you eat will kill you!
This is very interesting information. I tried the carnivore diet for about 2 weeks and I felt really good, but after that I just couldn't take eating nothing but meat all the time so I stopped, because the sight of meat started to gross me out.
Uncooked apples, pears, peaches, etc etc make my mouth and throat itch like crazy...carrots and celery the same until about 10 years ago. Pretty much can only eat berries, citrus, lettuces, tomato, cukes, bananas. Not sure what is the common element..tree fruits?
The Shawn Baker line was in response to an older line that "the plural of anecdote is not data." So he was responding to the skeptics and saying that at some point they have to admit there is validity to what people are saying.
Thank you for this additional helpful information. I have listening to Sally and been so amazed and believe her. I have RA along with many autoimmune issues. Today I give up almonds and have just began (4 weeks) the carnivore diet. I feel so much better, and after 22 years of thyroid meds, not I'm free of them. Feeling 250% better than even while I was on my thyroid meds. I'm looking forward to better health.
Wow! My mom used to make us rhubarb and custard when we were growing up! I glad that I didn't eat spinach a lot when I was eating vegetables ( 1 to 2 cups a month) it's amazing how the large food companies have been counting on people not knowing the truth about these foods! Keep up the good work! Chocolate? Oh man! I'm going to have to have a funeral with a chocolate bar now!
When I was a kid I would stay far away from rhubarb. I don't remember who, but someone told me it was poisonous, so I figured, why take the risk? Also, it tasted nasty.
What? You do realise most people dont have an issue with oxalates in foods, and that foods arent all about one component? 'Large food companies' are just selling products, they aren't involved in the chemistry of those foods, or misinforming you to buy them, that's on you. Chocolate is very healthful is you dont have any issue with oxalates or histamine.
Thank you very much for this info!!! Few days ago I found out that oxalates makes me sick in every possible way!!! I also have polycistic kidney disease, must be oxalates also! I feel cold all the time, fatigue, anal fisures, waking up at night, urinate at night and much more! Ppl think Im depresed, not sleeping enough, even crystals in sperm!... etc...but I was strong minded and testing everything. Finally, 2 days without oxalates and Im new man already. Suplementing chansa piedra, vitamin D, K2, yoghurt, probiotics that might break down oxalates, eating meat-it might be taurin helps calcium oxalate metabolism...etc. This doc is God gift! Thank you!
Low and high lists are confusing and can be contradictory. Just avoid the known very high foods that most agree on avoiding: almond, spinach, chocolate, raspberries, turmeric, chard, etc. Other veggies, fruits and spices just limit, but enjoy in small amounts. An average dinner for me - nice piece of grass fed beef with a small romaine or iceberg side salad and a 1/2 cup max portion of a low to medium ox veg like cauliflower. 80% pasture meat or wild sea food and 20% low ox / low lectin plant portion.
This was a very well done, profound interview. I found this after listening to Sally K Norton on Dr. Mercola. In the last few days I have been perusing comments in videos about oxalates. I don’t think people should be demonizing all plants. It’s kind of like people are saying, ‘Nah, Nah, nah nah nah’ to the Plant based community I live a ketogenic life style. I am not a “keto”- I am a person. It is devastating to me that I have to re-examine almonds, almond milk, almond flour, and my very beloved almond butter spread liberally in a piece of 85% dark chocolate. I would rather dismiss this information, but as someone who has had 3 bouts of kidney stones and various kidney infections over the years, I had to pay attention. But I also have tendonitis and arthritis and a few other problems. Oxalates seem to attack areas of injury so are the oxalates preventing full recovery of tendons, joints and the like? My friends who eat plant base (they are not vegan, they are people) do NOT want to hear about oxalates in legumes (beans), spinach, beets, and sweet potatoes. Let’s try to look at this as an issue for all of us. Not carnivore vs vegan or keto vs high starch - I’m so tired of people identifying themselves according to what they eat. It’s almost dogmatic and religious in a way. Food should bring us joy, not divide us. Tired of US vs. THEM- we all need to know about oxalates. And for those who think they’re fine because they don’t have kidney issues... what if that ache or pain or shoulder that gives you chronic pain is caused by or exacerbated by oxalates? We’re all trying to get healthy- let’s have an open mind. Remember when gluten sensitivity was a conspiracy theory?❤️
Thank you for insisting that this is a toxicity and no a sensitivity. And dumping it makes one feel as sick as with any other detox (like I've been feeling for 2 months already)
Now I know why the Tumeric supplements that everyone recommended for my degenerative disc post veganism ( I was 25) made things ten times worse. But they're great for inflammation and sciatica everyone kept saying, even doctors --_--
I think they are great for people who can metabolize the plant toxins well and eliminate them but for those of us who can't, they are just pure poison. I am an herbalist (and have 30 years of seeing them do some pretty incredible things especially when all else had failed); but personally, I use herbs only in micro-doses.
I am a Curry-aholic with Black pepper and I am guessing my body has had enough as I feel I’m full of arthritis at 46. I know I’m not but it sure feels like it. Inflammation has always been my issue. Good thing I love meat. I was raw vegan for almost 2 yrs and ate “ superfoods” with every meal. I had perfect teeth before but after juicing for that long my teeth were terrible. I used to be able to crunch ice and now I can’t even drink cold liquids 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Don't follow children as a guide. They will walk right out in front of a speeding truck and young children will eat a dog turd too. Babies and young children are stupid. Don't follow them.
@Owi Owi You're not talking about meat, you're talking about factory farmed meat. Grass fed beef is extremely healthy, perhaps the healthiest thing you can eat.
Comprehensive and detailed information, in a considered intelligent approach, that I have used to pass onto individuals that have a relevant health interest in this subject.
Never realized but It happened to me every time I ate oranges or tangerines, I felt like someone was piercing my face and arms. I thought it was a reaction to the acid of the fruit but it makes sense to me that oxalates were responsible for it
Speaking of wheat lectins, they can travel up the vagus nerve into the brain. Those who had the vagus nerve cut for medical reasons had about a 40% less danger of developing Parkinsons over the next several decades.
THANK YOU. Ive been going through a long list of symptoms. Long process over last 2 years. Rash and hives mainly. It started with celery juice and my skin went crazy including scalp.
I CANNOT wait until people are more galactically savvy. We are NOT all the same. We have different genetic makeup b/c different galactic contribution to our genetics. Therefore we are NOT all the same regarding which foods are optimal . Kinesiology or dowsing is one beneficial way to read the individual body and circumstances. My guess is that there will NEVER be ONE DIET that suits us all. Additionally, I believe that one should eat for their vibration. The vibration that you wish to support.
I'm 67 & I never knew this until last week July 2024. The medical community has done consumers a disservice. I've eaten some of these veggies my whole life!!!!
I screwed up and instead of sprinkling cinnamon in my cereal ( which I did daily for last year and ate with almond milk, AND almonds 😔) and dumped a bunch in from the pouring side of shaker. No telling how much I dumped in. I tried to get most and then out thinking it would be ok to eat I ate like an idiot. Haven't been right since. I have cloudy urine anytime I eat a high oxalate food. I just pray my body was able to keep out of major organs/vascular system and is now dumping since I have quit eating oxalates for most part. More education needs to be brought to mainstream about this poison oxalate acid.
No wonder the world is unhealthy and depressed, it’s all the damn nuts, seeds, grains, vegetables and fruits slowly killing everyone from the cellular level
And the cattle that are full of oxalate crystals they've spent their lives eating, especially the factory farmed cattle who are fed grain instead of grass...
Opposite Day. They killed us at the cellular level so that what mankind used to eat with impunity is now a weapon and those divisions of what people can tolerate have now morphed into religious denominations to rally behind.
Hmmmm.....so I am curious . If oxylates can move throughout the body in the blood, is it possible then they are a huge contributor to the arterial damage and inflammation that is the mechanism for heart disease?
I know that Billy, but I was just wondering what exactly causes the damage to the coronary arteries that leads to inflammation and plaque formation..... and could oxalates be implicated?
I wonder if part of the reason for a lack of research is fear of the answer. After all, vegetables are delicious, and it hasn't been easy for me to give up my colorful salads that I painstakingly made, with homemade dressing. I hope this new regimen clears up my atopic dermatitis, as nothing else is working.
I have always warned my friends about rhubarb, due to the oxalate levels (the "tart" flavor is mostly from the oxalates). The biggest issue with oxalate is that the pH change of the fluid in your kidney changes the solubilty of the oxalate ions. Calcium oxalate has a very poor solubility and forms fine needle shaped crystals. These crystals will literaly puncture the cells that make up your kidney tissue, eventually killing your kidneys.
12 years ago, I was taking a lot of calcium and eating bags of almonds, as well as drinking shakes with almond milk. I had formations growing in my right knee and then breaking off in the joint. I had to have them surgically removed. Some were the size of marbles. My body was dumping oxalates, perhaps? When I eat a lot of almonds, and to a lesser degree other nuts, I have what seems to be extreme incontinence, but I’ve always maintained that it is something else. I have NO incontinence when I don’t eat nuts. This watery discharge has an unusual odor (sorry for TMI). I’ve always thought that this was due to an arginine/lysine imbalance, and taking lysine does seem to help. Now I wonder if my kidneys/urinary tract is dumping oxalates.
one of many ..... you can get toxicity from overconsumption of meats as well. Maybe simple meals, without too many ingredients is the way to go. There is got to be a list of low oxalate foods some place somewhere.
@@stevengonzalez27 I'm waiting for 2020 to be declared the Decade of Gout from all of the sheep running to the Carnivore Counter and depleting their ability to process urates.
@@vaccinefraud5570 ive been forced to eat carnivore, not because I believe its the best diet, but because its the only way I can eat and not have severe reactions that stop me from living my life, being able to work, etc. One of those reactions is gout, which has gone completely into remission after removing plant foods, and only eating meat. You can look up Dr Paul Saladino's video on gout, he explains the biochemistry quite clearly. I've tested his hypothesis, and yes, after years without a flare up, reintroducing fructose, alcohol and/or high oxalate foods, on seperate occasions, have triggered flareups. Not saying others wont get gout from carnivore, and I dont recommend others to eat this way or anything, but there's plenty of evidence its not dangerous. Of course, if you dont have a solid understanding of biochemistry, it can be hard to figure out what's cherry picked or not, so I don't blame anyone for not believing in what I'm saying, but those who've seen the improvements in my health have been forced to change their minds, many of which have improved their own health in turn.
@@1andOnlyTotality No one is in a position to refute the benefits that you report. New sentence: we are obligated to establish what fact vs. feeling is. Were you clinically tested for high or low urates and high or low oxalates? In the absence of that, there there is only a report of claim of improvement with no foundation to indicate what has been improved. I'm not being an ass, this is just how it works. I am going to look at Saladino's work, but I will preface this with my view that I have never seen anything useful or true come from anyone who wags the Doctor title. Fructose intolerance = damaged Krebs cycle, maybe damaged liver, or amoeba overgrowth in guts. Alcohol intolerance = Stryer's biochemistry added alcohol as the 4th food group, so that processing pathway has been damaged. This is to say that avoiding it will reduce or prevent symptoms but none of these numbskulls are talking about FIXING THE UNDERLYING DEFECT. Oxalates were only a problem in the past for idiots that ate poorly and never managed their pH well. Today it is an epidemic yet no one bothers to ask WHY? well... except for a few who are connecting it to glyphosate poisoning of the entire planet. What I would like to emphasize so that you and others realize the dire situation that we are all in comes from your choice of language: FORCED TO. What should be happening is that we eat just about any damned thing we want to and be able to process it with limited grief, but now people are all over the world using the same language that they are FORCED to eat a certain way or they cannot basically survive. While the gurus are out there arguing the methods of palliation no one is addressing the causative agents, let alone how to repair broken genes. Cheers.
Felt a little funny to me at first but it is because we are not healthy enough. I eat it just about everyday. The ones from New Zealand are the most tasty but more expensive. Bought some at Aldi the other day.
Thanks for your detailed reports, quite helpful, may explain my leg pain ( too much oxalate especially when I ran out of milk and the calcium in the milk helps bind the oxalate, ).
I absolutely adore Dr McBride and the GAPS diet. I can't help but give her the credit for saving my life. But I did always wonder about all the people in forums who I would see saying they skipped the intro diet and then talked about all those almond flour type things. I stayed on intro for just about forever and just wanted to say at the lowest levels (intro 1 and 2) because I suddenly felt so much better and knew I was healing. But I also knew that if I wanted almond flour I needed to make it myself to get a good enough quality of product that could be nutritious for me. I wonder if many people were missing out on understanding that part. For me that naturally limited my interest in those foods. And I think that if a person was doing it that way, they may eat more than I did of course, but they would still be limited quite a bit compared to the amounts we can consume with foods we just buy in a package in the store. Do you know if soaking the almonds properly and then processing them yourself as anyone could have done at any point in history, would it improve the oxalate issue at all, or only other anti-nutrients?
I’m interested in the type of spinach? Ie Swiss chard as opposed to baby spinach. I’ve always thought this was nonsense but had an interesting experience the other day after consuming poached eggs, bacon and a large helping of spinach, none the less I was excruciatingly fatigued and went home and slept for a couple of hours. I then heard oxylate mentioned and found you - so interesting!
I would not have perked my ears to this except for the fact that my bloodwork came back with high oxalates! And some UTI’s lately. And my Dr. Was not alarmed , but simply puzzled and said hmmm wonder why your oxalates are height? I certainly didn’t know why then, now... I know it’s most likely my 4 cups of kale I use in my smoothie each morning! Plus my other high oxalate foods 😳
yea... got a huge skin flare up one day... I was thinking and thinking and could only narrow it down to oxalates in the baby kale I consumed the day before. And I ate a lot of it. Mind you, I was already KETO, leaning on carnivore. Most things already eliminated from the diet.
I know 5G frequencies make plants and trees produce more terpenes and it makes the plant more flammable so I wonder if radiation makes plants produce more oxalates.
Stephanie Seneff is looking into that currently. I sent her what I know about the Salicylate plague that has been hitting my garden for the past ten years due to glyphosate and other Pharm chemical exposures. Our entire biosphere has been damaged. Dead trees, inability to even grow plants on my own land. Glyphosate is a chelating agent so even if the soil wasn't ruined generations before there is no hope of recovery now.
Could you please recommend the most accurate list of oxalate content as it's quite confusing ! Specially when there is a kidney stone condition in addition to candida, and tourette syndrome which is being ignored by natural food medicine community!!
Fabulous information. I sure wish we could see the speakers along with pictures of what they're discussing. But the information is extremely helpful! Thank you!
After looking at some rearch it appears that our increasingly poor soil and use of chemicals may be triggering incresed oxilate production in plants as they strive to uptake the necessary minerals from incresingly poor growing conditions.I now am carnivore through a long journey via a wide range of science and keeping detailed journal of diet and symptoms.Iam wondering if calcium oxilate deposits may be another factor in vascular diseases and arthritic conditions also?I ate massive amounts of vegetables and a little fruit and took care of myself,excercised,weight training,swimming etc for decades( everything we are told to do by the 'experts',and went the extra mile) and here I lay with my health utterly destroyed and not one sensible or scientific explanation from mainstream 'Medicine'. I am doing better but far from functioning.Great discussion,but with the current plant based diet push this area will probably not be embraced by mainstream.
And why aren't you concerned about real toxins like heavy metals? The main source of dietary intake of heavy metals is animal products. Everything is toxic in 2019.
@@thalesnemo2841 th-cam.com/video/dmcSk3sHgAw/w-d-xo.html It is probably because heavy metals bind to oxalic acid in your gut creating insoluble oxalate which is later excreted when you go to the toilet. :) High oxalate diet can be dangerous though. It is about moderation.
Perhaps you are missing some micronutrients? What are you D3 levels like and are you taking K2 too, magnesium via skin,what about iodine, selenium,etc,.. Hope you can sort out your health issues. Maybe trying prolonged fasting too.
@Ραδομιρ Κουδελα Linking to the chief vegan site of cherry picked data ! Sorry that site full of BS bad associational science! Additionally, it is run by vegans who are blind followers of a belief system not science.
I have lots of health issues. I have SIBo and mold in my gut. I also have IBS snd GERD. Now I know whme I eat salads I immediately get so much pain for hours. I also have chronic migraines and fibromyalgia’s lots of pain in my body.
Yep I came here because I started eating spinach every day again and my feet hurt real real real bad now and they have done that before and I never knew why.
My lower legs and feet hurt when I eat too many oxalates. I take magnesium oxide powder with a lot of water then exercise to help it circulate through my body, then soon i'm dumping. When I do that sometimes it hurts when i pee. I know I'm getting rid of them then. I think the magnesium oxide powder alkalizes. Oxalates are very acidic and I think too much acid in your body makes them stay inside..
@@shez1270 Most pains are psychological in nature. Dr Sarno book explains it all. I cured my plantar fasciaits with the book and I suffered for 2-3 years.
If you cook your spinach in oil, it makes it easier to slide it into the trash can.
but why go through the trouble of eating it in the first place?
Hahahaha! Thanks that was funny🤣😂
Oh my! I got rid of all the vegetable oils . I only have olive oil and butter. Whatever will I do? Oh, I haven’t stocked up on veggies either. Maybe I am off the hook?
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I'm a Health Pro & so grateful for this video. I had a ca ox stone (4.4mm) > 2 years ago that I was able to pass. I see NOW that I have STILL eaten too many oxylate-rich foods. I'm transitioning to eating CARNIVORE as a lifestyle & have finally lost very stubborn weight. I no longer even want vegetables, thank God. I've recently noticed some sharp, right lower quad pain (characteristic of a kidney stone) returning. I'm drinking lemon water, & water with drops of Chanca Piedra in it (to help dissolve & pass kidney stones) & I carefully monitor/avoid oxylates & add some calcium containing food to bind up what oxylste I might be getting. I eat mostly beef, butter, eggs, & bacon. I suspect I'm probly having some oxylate dumping. Again, THIS VIDEO is SO TIMELY & HELPFUL I pray I can get my husband to engage with, & get used to CARNIVORE LIFESTYLE.
How much Chanca Piedra do you use? I want to start it but I'd like to go low and slow ... worried about a possible reaction. Did you start yours with a full dose? TIA!
Sounds like you've been listening to dr. Ken berry. Right? I've cut out all grains. Dr. Osborne. And now just learning about oxalates. What a pain as I love chocolate!!
Congratulations!
Are you still eating carnivore?
@@tanyawieczorek6603 Hi Tanya. My hubby & I do carnivore no more than about 2 days a week at this point. The other 5 days we do super low carb. We fast consistently & regularly for 16-18 hours a day, which I think ha made the biggest difference in our heallth. We've both lost 20 lbs & have kept it off. My husband's labs & repeat (after 5 years) CAC exam results were all excellent. We have good energy & stay well.
Excellent info. Walking away from plants changed my life after suffering with CFS/ME and fibromyalgia since 1987...I'm a new person. Thanks for the show! Truth in Love💕
Alecia Lynn Thank you for commenting. I find this so encouraging as I suffer CFS/Fibromyalgia and have been eating a carnivore diet for almost 3 months. I can feel improvement and am now further reassured that I’m on the right track ☺️
Alecia Lynn -I am also suffering the same,plus other stuff and major autoimmune issues,Im now mainly carnivore and feel more comfortable but I still drink a coffee in the morning but I think this may have to go too?Im so glad you feel better,its a long journey working out what helps.
@@blackbirdsinging6264 I do drink a cup of coffee now and then as a treat, keeping it keto with ghee and Sweet leaf stevia. The coffee and stevia are organic and I get away with it most.of the time.
I’m still having one coffee with cream each day. I keep thinking I should drop the dairy but can’t quite bring myself to do it. I do believe we’ll all have a better chance of healing in Keto/Carnivore than anything else on offer. Best wishes & keep the faith 🧚🏼♂️
Myself as well 1985 CFS 1990 Fibromyalgia, oxalate toxicity I realize now. Healing while dealing with dumping 😞
The interviewer's so good, no interruption. Great job, guys! Thanks for your video.
Thank you both so much for a fantastic conversation.. I had loads of digestive issues so started on Keto 2022 by September i had the vulvular issues with cloudy urine with intense pain
My gynecologist gave me antibiotics!!!!!! Fortunately i started Carnivore diet October 2022 and i am so blown away by my improvement, only now i realize the carnivore diet saved me without me even knowing about oxilates..... Now i do, thanks so much!!!!
Fascinating ! I am 66 and when I was a child there was not the explosion of chronically ill children that I see it today’s world ! Thank you Elliot, I am loving the results we are getting with your advice on THIAMINE deficiency . And now to reduce our Oxalates. 👍
My 8 year old son got stones under his tongue. We happened to be eating a lot of kale that year. It was so disturbing (he had 3 bouts) that I did some deep research and found oxalates as being the cause. Very interesting topic. More doctors need to know about this.
Kale is low oxalate. Might be a vitamin a issue which could be caused by a copper deficiency
Not true it’s on the High Ox food list . I know some lists are conflicting but kale is to be avoided if you are avoiding ox * lettuce / bok choy are the only low ox one I know of right now
@Foxy WhiteTip What about arugula? Dr Berg said in was low
Ug kale and I don't get along. Even though it's full of vitamins I can't digest it . Spinach is fine . Just vary which veggies you eat not same thing every day.
Tell doctors,
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Thank you Elliot, I have just figured out my skin problem is caused from oxalate, lots of oxalate crystals are out off from my skin, just likes the pictures showing on your background. I have taken almond milk for many years, beets juice, spinach, sweet potato and green tea . My dermatologist treated my problem as allergy and my symptoms are worse. Since I watch your and Sally's presentation about the oxalate dumping, I voided all the oxalate food and my symptoms are getting much better.
@Wei Gu actually cutting yourself off from oxalates can create your body to go into an oxalate dump. Hi. I've been studied at the Mayo clinic. I only have one good working kidney, the other one is transverse malrotated malformed. It barely functions. I throw a lot of my minerals that I need away. Not only that I have SNP gene mutations known as MTHFR... as well as a connective tissue disorder EDS hypermobile and vascular.
I actually lack a specific bacteria that helps us break down the oxalates. What he's talking about also there is a link within the RCC x Gene, hypermobility and calcium oxalates. I was part of a two and a half year study at Mayo clinic. When they cut all of my oxalates out. It was hell on wheels for me. I couldn't hold back the tears falling from my face from the pain that I was in. My levels were astronomical. When doing so it triggered my body to do a huge oxalate dump. In this time it was thought go get a massage you'll feel better. It looked like someone had beaten me up. While massaging me, not knowing the oxalate shards that were in my muscle fascia were tearing cutting and bruising me. My doctor finally put two and two together and was like oh my God it's a dump. What you're doing is hurting yourself. Okay let's reassess. I eat micron amounts of oxalate only to keep myself from doing a huge oxalate dump. I had 27 years, Ingesting oxalates. This is not a process that is going to fix itself in a few months or even a few years. My doctor told me, this is going to take some time. I would love to be tested to see if I have that genetic syndrome where my liver makes oxalates. I only allow myself 3 g of oxalate. A week. For the very fact that if I don't keep this within my system. I'm not joking. It will be like I am peeing tea. The amount of blood in my urine is an astronomical sight.
The pain that I will have burning within my muscles. Just unbelievable. Right now I am going to be tested for myasthenia gravis. Sadly, I've had this since an injection I was forced to get when I was 19 to keep my job. A flu shot. Gave me Guillain-Barre syndrome. I haven't been the same since. 10 days on a ventilator 16 days total three and a half weeks of physical therapy to learn how to walk again. It took me one year and 3 months to get back to my job. Professional dancer. I could only work every other day or every other day. It took me another year to be able to work doubles again.
Ever since then I have been up and down with my health. The carnivore keto diet, clean keto lack of oxalate. Has been a godsend. Yet I fall short every single winner. The lack of sunlight. The coldness on my body. And apparently this is a skeletal muscular disease. It's finally hit my eyes and bladder. And this is considered late stage of the disease. I have been telling my doctors over and over there's a problem with my eyes there's a problem with my eyes. I'm seeing double. They blame it on the oxalates. I'm like no this is different. I get exhausted I feel like my body is beat up I can't lift my arms above my head it feels like I'm wearing a weighted suit on my body and I'm walking through water. Like it's hard to walk. Finally, my eye doctor says oh my goodness has anyone tested you for myasthenia gravis? A doctor gave me the medication to see, if I would get better or not. Instantly I did so I've gotten the okay to go ahead and get the blood test. Sadly my appointment isn't until June. My god. What a wait.
If this is the case. The carnivore diet is the most essential diet to heal this. I know this to be fact because I go in and out of remission. I fall short in the winter the cold is too hard on my muscles and my body. I get weak and I sleep a lot. We've got to move back down south.
Because the winter weather every single winter I fall hard. I'm done with this cycle. But back to your oxalates.
Be very careful when removing all oxalates. I'm not joking. Please look up the information about oxalate dumping from removing all oxalates. I would hate for you to actually have a severe issue with them and go through what I went through. Although you may not. But for your future or anyone else that you know. This is a good piece of information to have. No information is bad information. Good luck godspeed.
As soon as I dropped oxalates from my diet swelling in my right hand that had been bothering me for years, after a car accident, completely went away. Still have to strengthen the hand but the experience really showed me how important what we eat is to our health and inflammation and pain levels.
That's great to hear.
TLDR
• Oxalates are plant compounds used by plants to defend against predators.
• Oxalates can exist in various forms, including sharp crystals that can cause mechanical damage.
• They can bind with minerals in the body, forming oxalate salts.
• Oxalates are found in many popular plant-based foods like spinach, cacao, beetroot, and almonds.
• Unlike other plant compounds, oxalates cannot be broken down by the body and can accumulate over time.
• Oxalates can cause irritation and damage to mucous membranes and soft tissues in the gastrointestinal tract.
• The conversation highlights the importance of being aware of oxalate content in the diet and its potential impact on health. Some people react strongly to eating high-oxalate foods like kiwi.
• Oxalate in kiwi and other foods can cause a burning or stinging sensation.
• Oxalate is a highly abrasive chemical that can damage tissues.
• Oxalate doesn't decompose like other molecules when consumed.
• Oxalate has been known as a metabolic toxin for centuries.
• Overconsumption of high-oxalate foods can be fatal.
• Foods like spinach, berries, sweet potatoes, nuts, and chocolate are high in oxalate.
• Oxalate content varies in foods, affected by soil and measurement techniques.
• Misunderstanding leads to overconsumption of high-oxalate foods for perceived health benefits.
• Oxalate lacks metabolic benefits unlike other phytonutrients.
• Oxalate is a toxin that needs to be eliminated from the body.
Oxalate and its effects on the body:
• When ingested, oxalate from foods like spinach is broken down and absorbed through the mouth, esophagus, and stomach.
• Factors like gut health and calcium presence influence oxalate absorption in the intestine.
• Gut bacteria like oxalobacter can help degrade oxalate, but modern factors like antibiotics impact gut health.
• Oxalate binds to calcium, forming insoluble compounds that are excreted through feces.
• Soluble and free oxalate is absorbed into the bloodstream, processed in the liver, and then excreted via the kidneys.
• Factors influencing oxalate absorption:
• High oxalate diet, leaky gut, digestive issues, antibiotics, surgeries, medications impact oxalate absorption.
• Oxalobacter bacteria degrade oxalate; antibiotics can decrease their presence, leading to increased oxalate absorption.
• Excessive oxalate intake can inhibit oxalobacter, leading to higher absorption.
• Oxalate can deposit in various tissues, causing mechanical and biochemical damage.
• Oxalate's harmful effects:
• Oxalate crystals can accumulate in different tissues, causing issues like kidney stones and joint pain.
• Kidneys filter oxalate but can be overwhelmed, leading to crystal formation.
• Oxalate crystals can deposit in organs, joints, muscles, connective tissue, causing pain and dysfunction.
• Oxalate disrupts mitochondria, inhibiting energy production and causing oxidative stress.
• Oxalate can replace biotin on enzymes, leading to dysfunction and affecting systemic energy metabolism.
• Modern health concerns:
• Mitochondrial dysfunction is implicated in various chronic illnesses, often linked to the rise of oxalate-related issues. Oxalate is related to a bioenergetic deficit where cells can't produce enough energy.
• Oxalate is a key suspect due to our modern toxic environment and increased consumption.
• Oxalate-containing foods like rhubarb are available year-round, unlike historical eating patterns.
• 24/7 access to high oxalate foods overwhelms the body's capacity to handle it.
• Oxalate accumulation might lead to a range of conditions beyond kidney stones.
• Oxalate could contribute to vulvodynia, arthropathy, breast cancer, Crohn's disease, ulcers, autism, etc.
• Oxalate can trigger inflammation, including in the brain, and activate the inflammasome.
• Lack of funding leads to limited research, and symptoms can be misattributed to other causes.
• While oxalates might not be the sole cause, they could contribute to various health issues.
• People noticed miraculous changes when they removed oxalates from their diet.
• Excretion of oxalates occurs after dietary changes.
• Common but poorly researched phenomenon.
• Lack of comprehensive research due to focus on kidneys and genetics.
• The low oxalate community has grown over two decades.
• Anecdotal evidence can serve as valuable data when scientific proof is lacking.
• Similar symptoms observed in people without genetic conditions.
• High oxalate diet's potential negative impact compared to detox in vegan diets.
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Fantastic summary thank you 😊
Well said, I second that!!!! 👌🏻
Your info is great. I'd love to learn how to increase gut oxalo bactertia to break down oxalates. I like dark chocolate & pecans & am trying to limit eating them. I don't eat much of the other high oxalate foods. Not eating much veg & fruit has helped too.
Thanks so much for sharing this very helpful summary
I was a vegan for 6.5yrs and 1.5 yrs of that I was a Raw Food Vegan. My skin looked great, BUT .. as a raw foodist, I got gaot or gaot-like symptoms that would (seemingly) random pop up and then disappear. My husband got kidney stones months after going vegan. Never understood the root cause of those things. Makes sense, now.
Gout is the spelling. And 400 miles east of Moscow is Mari El.
@@robinpclarkeCan't wait to go there!!
I suffered from a overdose of Oxalates 3 years ago, undiscribale pain. I over night changed my diet once realising what was going on. I to this day only eat, Meat, Eggs, Cheese and fish. The attacks are becoming less painful and further apart.
Can you describe this pain? I still dont know if my symptops are related to oxalates or something else... very hard to diagnose. I was eating a LOT of dark chocolate and sesame seeds
Mines constant in shoulders is this ixalates?
@@quant2011 I think it is intermittent piercing pain in the gut and organs, also a dull ache in the joints on motion;
at least that's how I feel it.
25:30 *POLYETHYLENE* *GLYCOL* is in almost everything these days.
@Zofia Skokowska Dr's recommending parents give it to children for constipation instead of magnesium (a basic electrolytes they were likely deficient in away), is CRIMINAL. There's no such thing as food grade polyethylene glycol because it's not food. It's literally poison that causes little kids to become mentally ill for the rest of their lives.
I am so glad that I am learning about oxalates because I thought I was going nuts. I happy my body is doing something normal.
I am having a completely new education about food now I've discovered the subject of oxalates. Thanks so much Elliot for this podcast.
I had an old girlfriend years ago who was mostly vegetarian. Not weird or militant about it, she just didn't like meat much at all. Looking back I realize now why she suffered from chronic migraines, psoriasis, arthritis and she always complained of being cold. Must have been all those plants to blame I bet!
True. Oxalates r notorious for accumulating in the bones and joints
Oxalates accumulate in the thyroid also; oxalates in thyroid= hypothyroid symptoms such as being cold.
And profound deficiencies
imagine that
@@WorkerBeesUnite I belated thank you for that information
I’ve been eating all the highest oxalate foods for at least the last five years as the biggest part of my diet. Just recently noticing kidney problems and also possibly thyroid issues . This discussion is both a rather angering nightmare considering this has been known for so long and also a blessing. Thank you for this 🙏
It’s also really sad when I realized that my father and his horrible death was probably related to the push to eat more plants during the 1980s. My mom was so nutrition conscious and she followed. The pyramid advice pretty closely. That’s when our health started to deteriorate.
OMFG!!! This was an eye opener for me. My miseries self-inflicted, eating and drinking according to the healthy lifestyle of predominantly fruits and veggies, raw cacao, and coffee for years and years and years. Joints, bladder and urethras, vaginal tissue feeling like shards of broken glass, and a whole host of other ISH. So misguided. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
I feel the same as you. Years and years of pain.
Coffee is free of oxalate (said by Sally Norton, but maybe look it up yourself) If i didn't misshear her.
To relieve your self-recriminations ALL of these diets including the alternative diets like keto and carnivore are still social engineering by controlled opposition to get people to run from one disaster to another without identifying the key reason why everything went wrong. The only blame that people can heep on themselves is actually believing that blending bananas with kale was ever a good idea, let alone healthy.
@@vaccinefraud5570 lmao I bet you're a flat earther too, huh?
Hows your symptoms doing now? 4 months later?
After going Keto I began to have EXTREME itching on my torso. I tore holes in myself! Turns out I had stones in my liver that caused a bile duct obstruction and I was put on a Low Ox diet. Turned out I had been eating a VERY high oxalate diet my entire life! My Mom used to brag that my brother and I loved swiss chard, spinach, rhubarb, that was grown by my grandma.
Wait, oxalates can cause gallstones? I feel like my bile duct is blocked. I have all the symptoms..
I will NOT KILL ANIMALS to SAVE MYSELF!!!
Is there a NON LETHAL ALTERNATIVE???
Typically your elders (in this case, your grandmother) possess a lot of wisdom (knowledge) which in turn was handed down to them by their elders. I would not dismiss her food choices too quickly. How old is your grandmother? Is she healthy?
@@olilumgbalu5653 our elders only ate from hunting....
Exactly
Thank you for the info. This is Great. For years 20+ many juice fasts many blended salads with the idea of cleansing. The pain in my back and legs would not go away. Since I have been 1 year low oxilate. Free from pain.
I have been trying to understand motivations for many years now. Was there something pressing that you wanted to change in your health so that you went to those extremes? or did you just do it because it was promoted as a healthy thing to do?
I suffer from chronic pain in my legs and back too. Tried everything except this. I’ll do it too. Love from Australia 🇦🇺
Did it work
I had digestive issues for years and years, tried every diet. GP said stop eating root vegetables, (potatoes eaten most often). Hey presto, only three days with no potatoes, I’m nearly 100% better.
Potatoes are a nightshade as are tomatoes. Best to peel and de-seed tomatoes as is the tradition in parts of Italy or just avoid eating them.
yes.night shade vegetables.i got the same problem.its all started with leaky gut then became digestive issues and for some reason, a skin problem like psoriasis.
@@aniqshardin nightshades give me horrible rashes and joint pain for days as if I've been poisoned.
@@lauraa2877 yes.exactly.artiritis
@Owi Owi we are talking about natural meat not mcdonald's processed meat patty.theres no long term vegan study yet, only vegetarian and lacto ovo which consume dairies like milk, yogurt, ghee and butter.you sounds like new vegan, its very easy to tell because weve been there before you
We've all been brainwashed into believing MORE is better. When actually eating, LESS is better. People are over consuming everything including foods. Stop over eating!
That's not even logical. Tell that to any wild animal. They eat to their satiety and the availability of food. Grossly obese people were probably injured by Pertussis toxin in vaccines that destroyed their pancreas cells. The drive to eat might be because at the cellular level they are literally starving. Outside of the other nutter diets out there, well beyond Keto which is a form of starvation diet, there are real starvation diets. None of this is natural. None of this can be witnessed in nature. The only time that an animal stops eating is when it is sick. Whoops! made my own point....
@@vaccinefraud5570 so why don't we have obese animals in nature? And you're wrong, they stop eating when supplies end! Then they travel to a new location to acquire more food....Oh wow, they actually exercise before eating ...by the way I'm an American, and I have received ALL THE VACCINES giving to Citizens here and only weigh 130 lbs...how come I'm not obese???
I think you need to learn more about human biology and physiology. I have relatives dying from obesity because of ignorant information like the BS you're attempting to spread. And people who have recovered from taking my advice
@@vaccinefraud5570 No they are simply putting too much of the wrong kind of food in their mouths. Until recently (I'm old) people were not fat because they did not eat fast food. There was no fast food. Gasp.! Yes ,I grew up before there was a MacDonald's. Before there were frozen meals, before there was processed food. You know if you wanted cookies you had to bake them. It is eating food that is full of sugar or even worse corn syrup, fats , salt etc. to make cheap stuff taste good that is bad. People choose to be fat and ill because they can't be bothered to cook. To be healthy you have to cook from scratch. Real vegetables, real fruit (no sugar needed) etc.
Fasting is your friend.
@@8675-__ You can be "skinny-fat". You can be ectomorph and still have a high BMI and BF%. 67-70% of the US is overweight. He is not wrong about oxalates. You can follow Stephanie Person. She's in her mid 50's and looks 20 something. She cut them out and eats an extremely restrictive diet, as do I.
Terrifying! Doctors missed this day at school. I tried for years to do the "healthy" diet full of vegetables, fruit, nuts. I got a big old kidney stone for it, not to mention lethargy, weight gain, weakness, hormonal issues. I went carnivore and in a matter of weeks i felt better, lost weight, even got better digestion & colon function. I managed the oxalate dumping with small cups of tea each morning. I had actually been eating a higher and higher oxalate diet in quest of better health. Hah!
Could you say more about managing oxalate dumping with tea? I am using tea and spices however I'm not sure how much I should be aiming for? I don't want the caffeine in black tea so am using Dandy Blend but am unsure how much oxalate it has.
This info is so valuable. Years ago I was on a meat and veggies diet plus some whole grains It was great to lose weight but noticed how my sinus infection did not ameliorate, improved but remained there. As result of the brainwashing I decided to dump the meat, how could veggies be the coolprit? What a bad decision...one year as vegan has done so many damages I had to avoid any plant material for another year to stop the gut issues. I eat some veggies now, only local and in season and a few times a week. Listening to my gut, the alt signals are so loud and clear 😅. My heel is the only to still suffer from an accumulation of calcium, a spike under it that creates permanent inflamation. Suppose it is oxalates dumping from these many yeasr of high plant consumption. No more hill running for me. Same happening to the elbow, I do intense weighted pull ups, dips etc. The hypotesis of oxalates attracted by inflamation seems very real
I was doing the same thing, green leafy veges raw and cooked, meat and fish no grains. lost some weight and felt a little better. But still had some joint pain. I was eating a hand full of almonds every day as a snack. dropped them and it went away. Then dropped all plant products and went carnivore and never looked back. Never felt so good. I am 64.
@@lambisi Yea, handful of almonds every day is not a good idea in any diet. ALmonds are fine, but you have to build up a tolerance to them over time.
interesting have the same issue with my right foot
If you do have an oxalate buildup you most likely have a tendency to kidney stones, but it's actually pretty easily solved by adding a bit of potassium bicarbonate to your diet like a few grams depending on symptoms. Potassium salts are generally very soluble which is why they wash out of "cleaned" food, but it works to your advantage regarding oxalates since it makes oxalates far more soluble in urine which makes it easier for your body to get rid of it (both the stones and the body load) but if you are low on potassium (cell concentration, not blood) it might take a while as your body has a tendency to fill up first and the average man has about 400g of potassium stored in cells and bone. Be aware it's an antacid though and as such too much can impair nutrient absorption from lowering stomach acid.
There is a trigger point where the calf meets the Achilles that sends pain to heel it will be tender body sends calcium to where pain is making a viscious circle apply pressure to the trigger point everyday til pain. Goes away ...it works I am massage therapist and have done this for myself and clients...hugs hope this helps
Elliot is the answer to my prayers...at last, I feel to be in control of our health through his generosity in sharing his knowledge. Thank you Elliot 😚
And thank you Steve, this video was so enlightening!
I’ve always had a natural aversion to most fruits and vegetables. I have rarely eaten them during the last 40 years after childhood of course. I’m 56 now, rarely sick and never had a weight problem. I don’t desire sweets. Thank god I didn’t listen when I was told I should eat more fruits and vegetables.
me too, never liked fruits or veggies, white potatoes and iceburg only, great health!
Hey Victoria. Thx for your comment. What foods do you typically eat on a usual day?
Sekretář Furiosa nice diet
I've always loved meat but I also loved meat in combination with bread i.e hamburgers, sandwiches, there is literally nothing more tasty that I can imagine. Before being health conscious, I ate sugar filled pastries, donuts, sandwiches, hot dogs, every single day SO I feel like I can't trust my cravings. Meat yes, but bread? Some people really do need to listen to others to become healthy.
I've been doing a low oxalate diet now for several weeks and have noticed some wonderful improvements! My sister has been going to many different doctors to figure out what was going on with her and they believe it's a problem with oxalates. Will she and I have similar symptoms except hers had progressed much more than mine because she had started eating a vegan diet and juicing years before I did. Since I've stopped eating so many oxalates my foot pain that I've had for 2 years has gone away completely, my hip pain and general stiffness in all my muscles has gone away. My shoulder pain is almost all the way gone it's wonderful! I am absolutely sure I was consuming way too many oxalates four years! Everything that they list is being high in oxalates I was consuming on a regular basis. Now I'm just dealing with some of the dumping symptoms. I think it will take months maybe even years for my body to heal itself. But praise God that my sister brought this to my attention
@@akosreke8963 well thanks for asking :-) actually, yes! I am feeling much better. I even had covid July of 2020 and have completely recovered from that as well. I actually feel better than I've felt in five years. I am absolutely sure that the oxalates were what was making me feel so stiff and racked with joint pain. All of my symptoms are gone and I am so grateful!
What symptoms did you have with the dumping?
I tried to tell my sister about this. She has had so many ailments, doctor visits, surgeries, and she didn't want to hear it. "I'm not quitting my wheat." was her response. We have been grinding our own for several years. Thought it had all the health benefits. I'm just not sure any more.
I’m curious.. with high blood pressure possibly causing artery damage, can oxalates bind with calcium in the blood and build up in the heart arteries and eventually cause heart attacks? Any info on this? Now that I know that buildup in the arteries is not caused by cholesterol, I wonder if this could be a factor in heart attacks?
My mind is blown! I feel even more passionate to start a self-sufficient farm/buy from my local farmers. Thank you both for an incredibly informative podcast, it was liberating. #carnivore
And people look at me when I tell them "Nope, No Plants, NEVER" like I'd just grown a third eye! 😂 Great show! Think I have my own issues with oxalates going in the right direction.
Jim Tipton Isn't it amazing just how good you feel when you drop plants from your diet? I'm with you, no plants!
Are you carnivorous?
Correct..carviores.no plants ..fruits everything animal products.
chocolate is delicious. Im sure heroine is good too but id rather not.
Same here. People tell me how good I look but when I tell them how I got that way they act like I'm crazy which hurts because I see what the S.A.D. diet is doing to my kids and friends.
OMG!!! My super healthy diet is making me sick.
Same
@@catherinegaravito9095 Same.chronic loose poop.never before 2 yrs zc carnivore
ALL OF those “SUPER FOODS” AREN’T SO SUPER!!! LOL
@Owi Owi lmao u must be trolling
@@catherinegaravito9095 hi what are your symptoms on carnivore?
Just found your channel. Started carnivore 3 weeks ago. Just recently I got slammed with a plethora of old pains. Left me almost completely debilitated for a day and a half. Thank you for the info
Go Carnivore, fatty grass fed muscle meat & liver, pastured eggs, Himalayan salt and grass fed butter or ghee if you can handle it!!!
Sea salt* pink salt is a giant marketing scam
@@frankiesfairyboytwinkclub yes just recently here in Australia it was reported pink salt has 25 times the legal amount of iron. I have never liked to use it. Celtic salt is beter IMO
I did, after a year vegan.. feel better now after 16 weeks on carnivore, i have fibromyalgia
@@livistodal2562
Is your fibromyalgia well managed now?
@@stroys7061 Not super, but much better and less pain and shorter periods of pain than before 😁
When I initially went keto (and later carnivore) my go to dessert was dark choc with a schmear of peanut butter. I had it every day just bc I needed that as a sort of crutch. I’d never eaten that much choc regularly in my life. After about a month I noticed my feet were hurting pretty badly for no reason. This went on for months, and then after a while I was able to give up the dessert. After some time (couple weeks?) my feet went completely back to normal. Pretty sure it was the choc bc I’ve eaten lots of pb and never had foot pain.
Could've been the peanut butter. For years I ate it and developed gut issues that cleared up when I stopped eating it. Even a Tableapoon now effects me. Almond butter too.
As a senior woman I got an addiction t peanut butter
Just bought it at Costco
It's now in the trash😮
I've read it's not the peanuts, per se, but the mold that grows on the peanuts after being stored in silos. It's a reaction to the mold. 🤷
It is interesting that awareness of oxalates has only become more widespread since "plant-based" diets have become popular. The trend of drinking "green smoothies", made with nut milk, frequently almond milk, and spinach or chard or other deep leafy greens, which are all high oxalate foods, has increased remarkably in the past few years. Apparently oxalate toxicity has increased along with this trend. Thank you, Elliot, for bringing this information out so that those who may be susceptible to this toxicity can benefit from that knowledge.
Not to the extent of Vegans, but I think a large number of Paleo/Primal folk, myself included, got blindsided by our relationship with plants. To the plants I say, no more!
@@jimtipton8888 ,
There has been a push from authorities for the last 100 years or more to characterize plants as unquestionably healthy and animals as unhealthy and possibly carcinogenic. Might be something to do with the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Or it just might be that we all tend to view plants as inherently healthy and animals as inherently unhealthy. Why we tend to think like this is worthy of analysis. It's a loss of contact from our origins and heritage, so it seems.
Martin Irving I completely agree. Between the influence of the Seventh Day and times of famine, plants have come into favor. They should always be a secondary option, definitely not the optimal food.
It is interesting that awareness of oxalates has only become more widespread since the "carnivore" diet became a thing. Plant based diets have been pushed for decades, like your friend Martin Irving literally just said, so you two both just contradicted yourself. I agree that we consume too much processed plant food, but eating plants in a normal way and not consuming them excessively is fine and should offer health benefits. Also, ensuring that your microbiome is healthy is as important. Yes, meat relieves symptoms, but it is a slow death for those who only eat that stuff.
ToWhomItMay Concern Yep all these metabolically healthy carnivores are dropping like flys. Plant are optional, not necessary.
So grateful to have come across your channel and your referral to other channels that discuss this issue. Thank you so much 🙏
I was high-ox for decades, ugh. Pain/symptoms can be head to toe. It depends where you have build-up, past injuries, weak areas: gut, bladder, joint, skin issues etc (I had them all). Everyone is a little different. Dumping sucks but gets better rather than a mediocre or horrible life long term. I kept denying I had ox issues for years because the dumping threw me off. Dont be like me and suffer needlessly.
What is it like excreteing oxalates?
I love the fact that more and more people are reporting the oxalate problems. I really wish that we could get more information on what to eat and what not to eat and a correct list.
Grassfed beef and loads of it. Only
I know what you mean, I’ve pulled 3 lists off the internet and they contradict each other on certain foods. I am thinking beef, butter, bacon and eggs for an elimination diet. No one lists these as high oxalate.
The 'Trying Low Oxalate' Facebook group has an oxalate list you can get that is very accurate.
Beef, steak, bacon, eggs, fish, shrimp, ribs, hot dogs, butter
Hot dogs and bacon ? What ?
Scary story!! When I was “healthy” I was making my green smoothie where I jam packed my nutribullet with spinach (probably one cup!), 90% chocolate square, cocoa, almond milk, and my vegan protein! After that period I had to get sinus surgery because I had chronic congestion in my nose but now when dumping I get that burnt roof of my mouth that I think is because of all those high oxalate smoothies!
And 5 years on no advancement of research but broad confirmation & support for Steve/Elliot's brilliant commentary on Oxalates. Excellent podcast.
I was making a daily shake with fresh spinach and my gallbladder was killing me. I realized it was the oxalates in spinach and I eliminated the spinach & came across oxalates & finally learned about this & lectins
Me too ... wow spinach shake every day... almonds ... berries ... turmeric ... omg I am sold in this ...
I have been trying to go carnivore. Incredible pain in my feet and hands, cloudy urine the whole bit! Why have I not heard of this? Thank you. I grieve, Straight up grief for Coco
it's all about load. A square (1) of chocolate isn't going to cause a problem if you have eliminated the spinach and other high oxalate foods.
Also, think about tea. And really, go thru a ten % a week decrease or you will really hurt yourself. Even after ten weeks i was still having joint pain and straight up crystals in my urine.
@@elizabethwilkens-plumley5640
Really hurt yourself? You are basically scaring people to not even stop oxalates. Which is it?? Stop or Not?
Take it out slowly and you suffer less
@@vlsr71 Dude, Sally K Norton says not to stop drastically to avoid horrible dumping. So, yes, slowly decrease oxalates to avoid horrible pain.
That's it. I'm going from keto to carnivore.
I'm considering the same.
I did the same and so far I feel great in 11 days.
@@hoangvu3121 me too, 14 days. I love it.
I switched 3 months ago. I love cv!
Peter Cyr I am considering the same thing here too. Oxalates are evil! I have realized that if you don’t kill what you eat then what you eat will kill you!
Amen. Eating veggies is overated.
Also deadly
I'm going through this now😱 Thank you! I was plant based. Now I understand. Thank you so much for sharing this 💕😊
Been Carnivore for 27 days and ALL IVE READ IN COMMENTS I've experienced! Hmmmmm
This is very interesting information. I tried the carnivore diet for about 2 weeks and I felt really good, but after that I just couldn't take eating nothing but meat all the time so I stopped, because the sight of meat started to gross me out.
As a child I would always tell my mom that Kiwis hurt my mouth^^
Me too!
Me too!
Same here. I still don‘t go near them.
Same here!
Uncooked apples, pears, peaches, etc etc make my mouth and throat itch like crazy...carrots and celery the same until about 10 years ago. Pretty much can only eat berries, citrus, lettuces, tomato, cukes, bananas. Not sure what is the common element..tree fruits?
To the host Steve Katasi: Very good questions. Respect. All the best.
The Shawn Baker line was in response to an older line that "the plural of anecdote is not data." So he was responding to the skeptics and saying that at some point they have to admit there is validity to what people are saying.
Can this be a problem in thumb joint pain? The shards of glass analogy is spot on.
Great talk, can't wait for part 2!
Thank you for this additional helpful information. I have listening to Sally and been so amazed and believe her. I have RA along with many autoimmune issues. Today I give up almonds and have just began (4 weeks) the carnivore diet. I feel so much better, and after 22 years of thyroid meds, not I'm free of them. Feeling 250% better than even while I was on my thyroid meds. I'm looking forward to better health.
It’s funny, yesterday I used a huge frying pan to cook five strips of bacon but I originally bought it to sauté tons of spinach 😂
Vanquish Audio Do Both!
5 strips :( I measure my bacon consumption per sitting in kilogram .... I only use veg for decorative purposes
Good show
🤣 Yay for bacon 🙌🏼
All that lard will detox your oxylates lol
Yep I was eating spinach every day and I got real bad foot pain and knee pain also pain in the back of my neck between shoulders at the neck bone
This makes so much sense, I'm not going mad, I've known all along something's up!!
Wow! My mom used to make us rhubarb and custard when we were growing up! I glad that I didn't eat spinach a lot when I was eating vegetables ( 1 to 2 cups a month) it's amazing how the large food companies have been counting on people not knowing the truth about these foods! Keep up the good work! Chocolate? Oh man! I'm going to have to have a funeral with a chocolate bar now!
Parkin Play
Let’s have a mock burial for my organic co co syrup in my cabinet. Here lies chocolate,
1984 - 2019
☠️
When I was a kid I would stay far away from rhubarb. I don't remember who, but someone told me it was poisonous, so I figured, why take the risk? Also, it tasted nasty.
What? You do realise most people dont have an issue with oxalates in foods, and that foods arent all about one component? 'Large food companies' are just selling products, they aren't involved in the chemistry of those foods, or misinforming you to buy them, that's on you. Chocolate is very healthful is you dont have any issue with oxalates or histamine.
I think lot if the problems are with none organic and people's stomachs are in a bad state threw stress
The calcium in the custard would have mitigated a good bit of the rhubarb.
Thank you very much for this info!!! Few days ago I found out that oxalates makes me sick in every possible way!!! I also have polycistic kidney disease, must be oxalates also! I feel cold all the time, fatigue, anal fisures, waking up at night, urinate at night and much more! Ppl think Im depresed, not sleeping enough, even crystals in sperm!... etc...but I was strong minded and testing everything. Finally, 2 days without oxalates and Im new man already.
Suplementing chansa piedra, vitamin D, K2, yoghurt, probiotics that might break down oxalates, eating meat-it might be taurin helps calcium oxalate metabolism...etc. This doc is God gift! Thank you!
How are you doing now?
I've never been so happy to be lazy!
I always wanted to incorporate all of the new health info into my life, but it was so much work.
Low and high lists are confusing and can be contradictory. Just avoid the known very high foods that most agree on avoiding: almond, spinach, chocolate, raspberries, turmeric, chard, etc. Other veggies, fruits and spices just limit, but enjoy in small amounts. An average dinner for me - nice piece of grass fed beef with a small romaine or iceberg side salad and a 1/2 cup max portion of a low to medium ox veg like cauliflower. 80% pasture meat or wild sea food and 20% low ox / low lectin plant portion.
Romaine lettuce have oxalate? And can one eat Little about of white rice?
This was a very well done, profound interview. I found this after listening to Sally K Norton on Dr. Mercola. In the last few days I have been perusing comments in videos about oxalates. I don’t think people should be demonizing all plants. It’s kind of like people are saying, ‘Nah, Nah, nah nah nah’ to the Plant based community I live a ketogenic life style. I am not a “keto”- I am a person. It is devastating to me that I have to re-examine almonds, almond milk, almond flour, and my very beloved almond butter spread liberally in a piece of 85% dark chocolate. I would rather dismiss this information, but as someone who has had 3 bouts of kidney stones and various kidney infections over the years, I had to pay attention.
But I also have tendonitis and arthritis and a few other problems. Oxalates seem to attack areas of injury so are the oxalates preventing full recovery of tendons, joints and the like?
My friends who eat plant base (they are not vegan, they are people) do NOT want to hear about oxalates in legumes (beans), spinach, beets, and sweet potatoes.
Let’s try to look at this as an issue for all of us. Not carnivore vs vegan or keto vs high starch - I’m so tired of people identifying themselves according to what they eat. It’s almost dogmatic and religious in a way. Food should bring us joy, not divide us. Tired of US vs. THEM- we all need to know about oxalates. And for those who think they’re fine because they don’t have kidney issues... what if that ache or pain or shoulder that gives you chronic pain is caused by or exacerbated by oxalates? We’re all trying to get healthy- let’s have an open mind. Remember when gluten sensitivity was a conspiracy theory?❤️
Curious Nook Well said.
Nice
🤯 I’m full of friggin’ fiberglass! 🤬
jajajajjajajaja, you crack me up!
it's exactly how I feel after years of doing all these spinach smoothies, kale, cruciferous, coffee...
Thank you for insisting that this is a toxicity and no a sensitivity.
And dumping it makes one feel as sick as with any other detox (like I've been feeling for 2 months already)
Now I know why the Tumeric supplements that everyone recommended for my degenerative disc post veganism ( I was 25) made things ten times worse. But they're great for inflammation and sciatica everyone kept saying, even doctors --_--
I think they are great for people who can metabolize the plant toxins well and eliminate them but for those of us who can't, they are just pure poison. I am an herbalist (and have 30 years of seeing them do some pretty incredible things especially when all else had failed); but personally, I use herbs only in micro-doses.
Curcumin c3 complex is low oxalate. Taking large amounts of turmeric will give you kidney stones.
I am a Curry-aholic with Black pepper and I am guessing my body has had enough as I feel I’m full of arthritis at 46. I know I’m not but it sure feels like it. Inflammation has always been my issue. Good thing I love meat. I was raw vegan for almost 2 yrs and ate “ superfoods” with every meal. I had perfect teeth before but after juicing for that long my teeth were terrible. I used to be able to crunch ice and now I can’t even drink cold liquids 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Apparently in our 40s is when the issues start to show up. Makes sense we are not goats or squirrels
Ah interesting where do we get our vitamin c from supplement
Children are perceptive and that’s probably why they don’t like veggies, but adults force them to have them 🙄
Don't follow children as a guide. They will walk right out in front of a speeding truck and young children will eat a dog turd too. Babies and young children are stupid. Don't follow them.
@Owi Owi You're not talking about meat, you're talking about factory farmed meat. Grass fed beef is extremely healthy, perhaps the healthiest thing you can eat.
@@tomasmuir9099 owi owi is a troll. Does this on many comments here lol. Disregard
@@orgorg239 😄
Extremely helpful discussion. Thank you for this.
Some doctors are scientists, some doctors protect their pay checks ....
most doctors are not up-to-date, esp. in France from my experience
Correction:
MOST doctors protect their paycheck/income$ ... AND Egos.
Good one
most doctors are not trained in nutrition
Comprehensive and detailed information, in a considered intelligent approach, that I have used to pass onto individuals that have a relevant health interest in this subject.
Never realized but It happened to me every time I ate oranges or tangerines, I felt like someone was piercing my face and arms. I thought it was a reaction to the acid of the fruit but it makes sense to me that oxalates were responsible for it
Oranges are high in oxalates?!
Speaking of wheat lectins, they can travel up the vagus nerve into the brain. Those who had the vagus nerve cut for medical reasons had about a 40% less danger of developing Parkinsons over the next several decades.
You would die if that nerve is cut.
@@AJSimonTalks I believe it's called a vagotomy.
THANK YOU. Ive been going through a long list of symptoms. Long process over last 2 years. Rash and hives mainly. It started with celery juice and my skin went crazy including scalp.
I CANNOT wait until people are more galactically savvy. We are NOT all the same. We have different genetic makeup b/c different galactic contribution to our genetics. Therefore we are NOT all the same regarding which foods are optimal . Kinesiology or dowsing is one beneficial way to read the individual body and circumstances. My guess is that there will NEVER be ONE DIET that suits us all. Additionally, I believe that one should eat for their vibration. The vibration that you wish to support.
I agree! But how do I figure this out? I've been testing food for years and I still can't figure out what is high vibrational.
Which “galactic” family tree thrives on our modern super high OX neurotoxin ?
I'm 67 & I never knew this until last week July 2024.
The medical community has done consumers a disservice.
I've eaten some of these veggies my whole life!!!!
I screwed up and instead of sprinkling cinnamon in my cereal ( which I did daily for last year and ate with almond milk, AND almonds 😔) and dumped a bunch in from the pouring side of shaker.
No telling how much I dumped in. I tried to get most and then out thinking it would be ok to eat I ate like an idiot.
Haven't been right since. I have cloudy urine anytime I eat a high oxalate food.
I just pray my body was able to keep out of major organs/vascular system and is now dumping since I have quit eating oxalates for most part.
More education needs to be brought to mainstream about this poison oxalate acid.
I have been doing the same thing....and then adding herbal tea....my list goes on and on, and all this because I was trying to get healthy!
Love your cinnamon story. I've done this too, ha ha.
No wonder the world is unhealthy and depressed, it’s all the damn nuts, seeds, grains, vegetables and fruits slowly killing everyone from the cellular level
Davidi 007
Nothing good left to eat....
Davidi 007
Yup everything is peanut butter and chocolate ‘
Zenith Astrology go Carnivore!
And the cattle that are full of oxalate crystals they've spent their lives eating, especially the factory farmed cattle who are fed grain instead of grass...
Opposite Day. They killed us at the cellular level so that what mankind used to eat with impunity is now a weapon and those divisions of what people can tolerate have now morphed into religious denominations to rally behind.
Hmmmm.....so I am curious . If oxylates can move throughout the body in the blood, is it possible then they are a huge contributor to the arterial damage and inflammation that is the mechanism for heart disease?
No. High insulin levels cause the inflammation in the blood vessels. It is well understood now.
Sounds very probable to me.
Very good point, Sara. It sounds probable.
@@lynn7561 Sounds probable is not the same as evidence.
I know that Billy, but I was just wondering what exactly causes the damage to the coronary arteries that leads to inflammation and plaque formation..... and could oxalates be implicated?
What are the symptoms of Oxalate dumping?????
I wonder if part of the reason for a lack of research is fear of the answer. After all, vegetables are delicious, and it hasn't been easy for me to give up my colorful salads that I painstakingly made, with homemade dressing. I hope this new regimen clears up my atopic dermatitis, as nothing else is working.
Love this lecture! Thank you!!!
I have always warned my friends about rhubarb, due to the oxalate levels (the "tart" flavor is mostly from the oxalates). The biggest issue with oxalate is that the pH change of the fluid in your kidney changes the solubilty of the oxalate ions. Calcium oxalate has a very poor solubility and forms fine needle shaped crystals. These crystals will literaly puncture the cells that make up your kidney tissue, eventually killing your kidneys.
Oh no, I love sour fruits :'(
Rhubarb is delicious. I only eat it once a year, and it does not affect me.
The only time I eat rhubarb is in strawberry-rhubarb pie only once in a blue moon.
12 years ago, I was taking a lot of calcium and eating bags of almonds, as well as drinking shakes with almond milk. I had formations growing in my right knee and then breaking off in the joint. I had to have them surgically removed. Some were the size of marbles. My body was dumping oxalates, perhaps?
When I eat a lot of almonds, and to a lesser degree other nuts, I have what seems to be extreme incontinence, but I’ve always maintained that it is something else. I have NO incontinence when I don’t eat nuts. This watery discharge has an unusual odor (sorry for TMI). I’ve always thought that this was due to an arginine/lysine imbalance, and taking lysine does seem to help. Now I wonder if my kidneys/urinary tract is dumping oxalates.
Very informative it certainly explains a lot of things that I could not explain such as chronic joint pain memory loss just to name a few
This is so shocking! my intuition has kept me away from a lot of these but I had also bought into the dogma. Kidney stones are a wake up call
Omg yes I’m so aggravated by the conflicting lists of high and low oxalate foods online 🤦🏼♀️😩
Just eat meat. :D
one of many
..... you can get toxicity from overconsumption of meats as well.
Maybe simple meals, without too many ingredients is the way to go. There is got to be a list of low oxalate foods some place somewhere.
@@stevengonzalez27 I'm waiting for 2020 to be declared the Decade of Gout from all of the sheep running to the Carnivore Counter and depleting their ability to process urates.
@@vaccinefraud5570 ive been forced to eat carnivore, not because I believe its the best diet, but because its the only way I can eat and not have severe reactions that stop me from living my life, being able to work, etc. One of those reactions is gout, which has gone completely into remission after removing plant foods, and only eating meat. You can look up Dr Paul Saladino's video on gout, he explains the biochemistry quite clearly. I've tested his hypothesis, and yes, after years without a flare up, reintroducing fructose, alcohol and/or high oxalate foods, on seperate occasions, have triggered flareups. Not saying others wont get gout from carnivore, and I dont recommend others to eat this way or anything, but there's plenty of evidence its not dangerous. Of course, if you dont have a solid understanding of biochemistry, it can be hard to figure out what's cherry picked or not, so I don't blame anyone for not believing in what I'm saying, but those who've seen the improvements in my health have been forced to change their minds, many of which have improved their own health in turn.
@@1andOnlyTotality No one is in a position to refute the benefits that you report. New sentence: we are obligated to establish what fact vs. feeling is. Were you clinically tested for high or low urates and high or low oxalates? In the absence of that, there there is only a report of claim of improvement with no foundation to indicate what has been improved. I'm not being an ass, this is just how it works. I am going to look at Saladino's work, but I will preface this with my view that I have never seen anything useful or true come from anyone who wags the Doctor title.
Fructose intolerance = damaged Krebs cycle, maybe damaged liver, or amoeba overgrowth in guts.
Alcohol intolerance = Stryer's biochemistry added alcohol as the 4th food group, so that processing pathway has been damaged. This is to say that avoiding it will reduce or prevent symptoms but none of these numbskulls are talking about FIXING THE UNDERLYING DEFECT.
Oxalates were only a problem in the past for idiots that ate poorly and never managed their pH well. Today it is an epidemic yet no one bothers to ask WHY? well... except for a few who are connecting it to glyphosate poisoning of the entire planet.
What I would like to emphasize so that you and others realize the dire situation that we are all in comes from your choice of language: FORCED TO.
What should be happening is that we eat just about any damned thing we want to and be able to process it with limited grief, but now people are all over the world using the same language that they are FORCED to eat a certain way or they cannot basically survive. While the gurus are out there arguing the methods of palliation no one is addressing the causative agents, let alone how to repair broken genes. Cheers.
Red Swiss chard (1/2 cup) = up to 900 mg of oxalate
Martin Irving dude. What the hell
@@KekeeBlack ,
Yeah, aka silver beet in Australia.
Martin Irving
Jesus Crist I ate that at Whole Foods a couple times. I didn’t like it but thought it was a healthy plant!
Martin Irving
Half a cup ?! Dam
**That is CRAZY!
I’d rather have my tomato’s with no space between them called spaghetti.
What is the normal level on that scale ?
Kiwi feels like handling fiber glass in my mouth, edge of lips and hands. Kiwi won!
Felt a little funny to me at first but it is because we are not healthy enough. I eat it just about everyday. The ones from New Zealand are the most tasty but more expensive. Bought some at Aldi the other day.
Thanks for your detailed reports, quite helpful, may explain my leg pain ( too much oxalate especially when I ran out of milk and the calcium in the milk helps bind the oxalate, ).
I love spinach, but I noticed when I eat big servings, my tmj really flairs. I guess this is why.
Gave me terrible pain all over joints muscles bladder and bad anxiety over all and I was eating spinach and olives and almonds and turmeric
Thank you Elliott for sharing your knodledge.I had the oxalates across my upper back.thats when I found you,couple yrs.ago.i got rid of the pain.
I absolutely adore Dr McBride and the GAPS diet. I can't help but give her the credit for saving my life. But I did always wonder about all the people in forums who I would see saying they skipped the intro diet and then talked about all those almond flour type things. I stayed on intro for just about forever and just wanted to say at the lowest levels (intro 1 and 2) because I suddenly felt so much better and knew I was healing. But I also knew that if I wanted almond flour I needed to make it myself to get a good enough quality of product that could be nutritious for me. I wonder if many people were missing out on understanding that part. For me that naturally limited my interest in those foods. And I think that if a person was doing it that way, they may eat more than I did of course, but they would still be limited quite a bit compared to the amounts we can consume with foods we just buy in a package in the store.
Do you know if soaking the almonds properly and then processing them yourself as anyone could have done at any point in history, would it improve the oxalate issue at all, or only other anti-nutrients?
I’m interested in the type of spinach? Ie Swiss chard as opposed to baby spinach. I’ve always thought this was nonsense but had an interesting experience the other day after consuming poached eggs, bacon and a large helping of spinach, none the less I was excruciatingly fatigued and went home and slept for a couple of hours. I then heard oxylate mentioned and found you - so interesting!
I would not have perked my ears to this except for the fact that my bloodwork came back with high oxalates! And some UTI’s lately. And my Dr. Was not alarmed , but simply puzzled and said hmmm wonder why your oxalates are height? I certainly didn’t know why then, now... I know it’s most likely my 4 cups of kale I use in my smoothie each morning! Plus my other high oxalate foods 😳
yea... got a huge skin flare up one day... I was thinking and thinking and could only narrow it down to oxalates in the baby kale I consumed the day before. And I ate a lot of it. Mind you, I was already KETO, leaning on carnivore. Most things already eliminated from the diet.
Wisakedjak Archetype
I eat terradactyles...
@@ZenithAstrology Huh? do you mean the dinosaur "pterodactyls"?
Elliot, would mineral depleted soil be the recent change making oxalates worse?
This is a very intelligent question
I know 5G frequencies make plants and trees produce more terpenes and it makes the plant more flammable so I wonder if radiation makes plants produce more oxalates.
@@HeadieHooperz interesting
On top of that pestacides,hmos
Stephanie Seneff is looking into that currently. I sent her what I know about the Salicylate plague that has been hitting my garden for the past ten years due to glyphosate and other Pharm chemical exposures. Our entire biosphere has been damaged. Dead trees, inability to even grow plants on my own land. Glyphosate is a chelating agent so even if the soil wasn't ruined generations before there is no hope of recovery now.
Could you please recommend the most accurate list of oxalate content as it's quite confusing ! Specially when there is a kidney stone condition in addition to candida, and tourette syndrome which is being ignored by natural food medicine community!!
The 'Trying Low Oxalate' Facebook group has a great list of oxalate content in foods, spices, ect.
Excellent podcast Elliot
Fabulous information. I sure wish we could see the speakers along with pictures of what they're discussing. But the information is extremely helpful! Thank you!
After looking at some rearch it appears that our increasingly poor soil and use of chemicals may be triggering incresed oxilate production in plants as they strive to uptake the necessary minerals from incresingly poor growing conditions.I now am carnivore through a long journey via a wide range of science and keeping detailed journal of diet and symptoms.Iam wondering if calcium oxilate deposits may be another factor in vascular diseases and arthritic conditions also?I ate massive amounts of vegetables and a little fruit and took care of myself,excercised,weight training,swimming etc for decades( everything we are told to do by the 'experts',and went the extra mile) and here I lay with my health utterly destroyed and not one sensible or scientific explanation from mainstream 'Medicine'. I am doing better but far from functioning.Great discussion,but with the current plant based diet push this area will probably not be embraced by mainstream.
And why aren't you concerned about real toxins like heavy metals?
The main source of dietary intake of heavy metals is animal products. Everything is toxic in 2019.
@Ραδομιρ Κουδελα
References,links ??
@@thalesnemo2841 th-cam.com/video/dmcSk3sHgAw/w-d-xo.html
It is probably because heavy metals bind to oxalic acid in your gut creating insoluble oxalate which is later excreted when you go to the toilet. :)
High oxalate diet can be dangerous though. It is about moderation.
Perhaps you are missing some micronutrients? What are you D3 levels like and are you taking K2 too, magnesium via skin,what about iodine, selenium,etc,.. Hope you can sort out your health issues. Maybe trying prolonged fasting too.
@Ραδομιρ Κουδελα
Linking to the chief vegan site of cherry picked data ! Sorry that site full of BS bad associational science! Additionally, it is run by vegans who are blind followers of a belief system not science.
I think this channel has some good in depth info on new research not covered elsewhere.
Excellent Information , thank you !
I have lots of health issues. I have SIBo and mold in my gut. I also have IBS snd GERD. Now I know whme I eat salads I immediately get so much pain for hours. I also have chronic migraines and fibromyalgia’s lots of pain in my body.
Yep I came here because I started eating spinach every day again and my feet hurt real real real bad now and they have done that before and I never knew why.
are your feet better? hope so :)
maybe chronic fruit deficiency disorder. you could also check for a electro magnetic issue like microwaves from wifi, phone mast etc.
Try raw eggs and boiled potatoes instead
My lower legs and feet hurt when I eat too many oxalates. I take magnesium oxide powder with a lot of water then exercise to help it circulate through my body, then soon i'm dumping. When I do that sometimes it hurts when i pee. I know I'm getting rid of them then. I think the magnesium oxide powder alkalizes. Oxalates are very acidic and I think too much acid in your body makes them stay inside..
@@shez1270 Most pains are psychological in nature. Dr Sarno book explains it all. I cured my plantar fasciaits with the book and I suffered for 2-3 years.
This is a fantastic podcast, i have learnt so much, thank you!