Logitech G923 G920 G29 Steering Wheel Upgrade!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มี.ค. 2021
- Today we upgrade the Logitech G920 (G923 and G29 are the same) with a proper real life steering wheel!
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Thanks Karl. Useful to know that it can be done with base still mounted on the rig. Most reviewers do stuff on the desk.
Thank you for making these videos man ! As a G29 user, your videos helped me a LOT, especially when it came to force-feedback recommended settings for Project Cars 2, Dirt Rally 2 and Assetto Corsa. You earned my sub with those, and i keep on enjoying all your content that you're making.
Glad to help mate! :)
My feelings exactly Tom. I bought the Sim Racing pad thing you put in the Playseat Challenge, both of which I bought cause of Karl.
I always love your content and style! Your video is what lead me to pull the trigger and buy my first sim wheel. Thanks a bunch for the vids, and please keep making them!
Thank you mate, appreciate that! :)
I didn't know the wheel and buttons were separate entities. It looks like a good upgrade option. Your cat is a beautiful colour.
I think it's a great upgrade.
Thanks Raymond, she is a lovely little cat :)
@@KarlGosling Thanks for the vids!!! Would you recommend this over the TMX Pro for entry level for a PC/XBOX ONE user? Is failure a concern? I can get the Amazon 2 year extended warranty for only $30. Also will be using the playseat challenge as my cockpit
a tip: watch series at flixzone. I've been using them for watching lots of of movies these days.
@Vance Jaiden yea, I have been using flixzone for since december myself :D
Quite late to this video but you've answered all my questions and done so very charmingly. Thanks from across the pond!
Glad it was helpful!
Just did this, and..... Already looking at swapping to a direct drive because of it. The G920 just has no feedback once this was done. But I like how it feels so much more.
Another great video mate. Got me tempted to do this mod now!
just watched this video and it was great. looking at getting one of those wheels for my g920 as well and this really helped with what to expect and the force feedback loss and everything like that. so thank you for this video!
Glad I could help!
Thank you for the information dude. I have a wheel and adapter on the way now and this lowered my worries about it
Glad I could help
Great content Karl ive just swapped over to the larger wheel thanks the guidence you gave its Amazing my lap times are falling keep up the great work...
Superb! :)
New to the channel. Love your videos and quite insightful to watch. Recently bought a G29 after not using a wheel at all going waaaay back to the original xb360 wheel which had feedback. This really blew my mind how much things have greatly moved on. All I need now is a good rig to get into it more then watch your future videos for ideas. Cheers
Welcome aboard mate, glad you enjoy my ramblings! lol
just wat I'm looking for thanks Karl.
love your 365s had some myself back in the 90s BASS machines
A classic speaker from my youth mate! :)
Definitely worth it. I´ve modded mine with a Formula Style Rim from Acelith Design, which is pretty cool. I use to drive Formula or GT Cars, so that was a perfect fit for me. Since then, force feedback has improved a lot - the mod wheel is a bit lighter than the original rim. It´s only a few grams, but you feel that immediately, cause of the low torque the base can supply. Reduced weight definitely benefits the base. Conversion as you said is really easy and can be done by everyone.
That's pretty awesome actually. I went the other way entirely. I put a massive 350 mm rim on it for NASCAR and feedback was gone. I wish I had tried a formula rim before upgrading my setup just for the experience!
@@ryanw1284ryansrants Yes, that´s exactly why I will wait purchasing a Nascar Style Rim (love oval racing as well) until I switch to a DD Wheelbase next year. The Logitech simply can´t handle heavy rims with large diameters well. Sure you can mount it, but most of the torque gets lost because its lacking power...
@@JeromediaEu2486 Glad to hear you say you're getting a direct drive! I had a CSW 2.5 for a bit but could not stand its performance for its price.
I got non-stop clipping killing details just trying to get resistance for banked oval.
Once I got the DD2 the game was completely changed. Personally I found saving tires and correcting oversteers is the biggest benefit.
@@ryanw1284ryansrants that completely makes sense for me. I haven´t done simracing for nearly 10 years before I decided to get back into it last year. I tried a lot of hardware since then, beginning with the CSL Elite, CSW and finally the DD1 base, which I could try out at a friend of mine for about 30 minutes. The conclusion for me was to stick with the gear I already have and go "all in" as a next step. To be clear: for me there´s nothing wrong with an CSL Elite or a Clubsport wheelbase. They´re solid bases at an reasonable price point, but they´re simply not what I am looking for.
The thing is: in my opinion Direct Drives least advantage is the high torque you can possibly get, which often is the main sales point for the systems out there. I mean no one is going to race at 20 nm of torque for several hours. What sets it apart from belt driven systems is the detail of feedback you can get from it - at least in my personal experience. And that is exactly what I´m trying to approach: get as close as possible "to the real thing".
@@JeromediaEu2486 agreed, I would run what most people would consider high force feedback and and I'm nowhere near 20.
If the CSW came with a rim or pedals at the price I may have been happy but felt it Just didn't have enough to justify the price tag. The first thing I did was strap a NASCAR wheel on it though. Those with formula rims may love it more.
I'm doing this after a more powerful ac adaptor & fan thanks Karl another great video.
What your adaptor spec ?
Let's go! Definitely a must for logitech wheels man
Definitely! :)
The finer control granted by the larger wheel is the same as using an extended thumbstick for shooting games.
They also have extensions for those paddles!
Thanks, you made it sound and look easy, im going to be doing this
You can do it!
As a g27 owner, what i 'd like to do is use the default g29 wheel (without the button plate and without the shifter paddles as i do not care bout those) directly on the g29 steering hub (but i guess i will need the g27 steering hub for this?). I may loose buttons and paddles but i am interested on the heusinkveld seq shifter as well so...
Thanks dude!! I need this
Gud video bro 😎 I got the blue custom wheel for my g920 to match my rig setup 👌🏾
This was actually the mod that led me into the Fanatec eco system. I questioned exactly how much difference it would make. Its huge. Keep in mind, as Karl mentioned very clearly, forces are lower the bigger wheel you go!!
Same here started messing about like this for a few months then bit the bullet and got the v2.4 formula rim and v3 pedals best thing i ever did . I lost alot of feed back on a deep dish on the old g920 . best thing i did to mod that wheel was magnetic shifters i honestly wouldent bother doing anything elce to the logitec in my opinion just save your money.
@@simracingwales4997 love it. I went v3i pedals and dd2 base. Nascar,.bmw and esports formula rims
Edit v2.5 lol
@@ryanw1284ryansrants yeah its the best way . i tryed new rims spent £50 on a formula rim tryed moding the hell out of the logitec for very little gain . I don't want to sound like im bashing on the logitec stuf just found the mods for them to take me no were at the loss of feedback and money for what they are at that price point i think there very good but i had my g920 for 4 years and it was time to move on . If i could start over again i would have only bought the magnetic shifter mod saved my cash then got the v3 pedals as they made the biggest diffrence . I ran the v3s for around 2 months with the logitec wheel and my lap times came down a fair bit then got the V2.5 and formula carbon . As for the logitec pedals i tryed every brake mod in the book and the best i found (for me anyways) was the stiffer spring and kept the rubber in there too i think there pedals for that price point is very good and there well made simple inside and just work . Fanatec on the other hand has given me more cofidence in the car much better feedback and the precision of a surgeon on track fantastic gear .
@@simracingwales4997 I lucked out big time. I had a g25 for almost 10 years. Sold at the height of the sim racing boom. Ebay auction went all the way up to 500 bucks!! (paid like 299 originally). The condition was maybe 7/10? I literally repaired one of the USB cords w/ a soldering iron and shrink wrap.
I was already in the process of modding the g920 and realized at that point, yeah bigger wheel makes a huge difference in some cars I drive. So I listed the modded G25 for sale. (I used the metal adapter instead of 3d printed ones Karl used) Needless to say, it sold for more than MRSP albeit not as much as my other (450 or so) .
Now wanting to replace my v3is with those heusinkvelds!
I've done this and love it. It's really worth to fit this wheel, change driving a lot. Once u set up FF for your needs it's work veeeery well.
Also it's worth to make seqencial shifter instead H logitech.... Its change Racing up to next level
just get a thrustmaster comes with a bigger wheel and more torque
Little late to the show. Did anything break by using it with no support??
@@EazyDuz18 thrustmaster wont last nearly as long as logitech
@@draxuno Been using mine nearly every day for a year and still works perfectly, Logitoys get all grindy and loud
If someone is worried about the paddles you can buy some paddle extenders that you just clamp on and they work perfect.
Another mod that is almost required is the magnetic clamp for the paddles, because its only 5$ and its day and night difference
yeah i agree that little magnetic clamp is so worth it! gives a whole new feel to the paddles
I actually got extended aluminum paddles from Advanced Racing Development
I just found your channel and used your GT Omega discount code on my Titan Cockpit! Great videos man
Excellent mate, a good cockpit!
I'm very, very new to SIM racing. And I've just discovered your channel today.
The bigger wheel looks like a good upgrade. Paddles look a bit more difficult to reach though?
Just bought a Logitech G923 and the GT OMEGA wheel-stand. The wheel stand partly because of your review!
Really enjoying looking through your videos 🙂
Thanks and welcome!
Ive been debating on doing this to my g27. I was thinking about getting 1 of the cheaply made knock off sparcos or momos because being knock offs they are lighter then standard steering wheels which might lessen the loss of detail in the force feed back a bit. those wheels are too flimsy for a real car but should be fine on a sim wheel.
Don't do it the weight will dead spot the armature on the electric motors
This might solve my biggest complaint with the g920, thanks for the vid!
No problem 👍
Another great video Karl keep it up :)
Thanks, will do!
looks great on there
This will come in super handy for when my mvhstudios F1 wheel arrives since I have my WS2.0 all configured and cable managed in my front room and really cant be bothered to go through the process of undoing it all. :)
Yeah it's a little more awkward with it fitted but perfectly doable mate :)
Another great video Karl, definitely considering updating my Logitech wheel now! Well explained and as entertaining as always!!
Thanks Barry! :)
I got a similar wheel for the t300 and didn't add the electronics so it's lighter than the original wheel and gives more detail now. Feel more vibrations.
So you do not have to put the buttons back? You can skip them?
Is the STL for that adapter available anywhere? I could print it myself then.
Hey Karl! Thank you for all the valuable information your are bringing to us! I need one more :), do you think for a very first time wheel user should I stick to g920 or should I go with a midrange setup?
That is entirely down to your budget mate.
Oh yeah I do need that 😎 G923 upgrade inbound
PS: oh damn they’re going to sell out after people see this video 😎
Love the upgrade K, I just worry it’s gonna kill the motors quicker with the larger wheel and more steering leverage.
I think we'd see overheating if that was the case but it's a possibility... these things last years though so we're probably alright :)
@@KarlGosling sweet, it does look way better too so may give it a go myself man.
I am thinking about buying an aftermarket steering wheel for my G29. I’m wondering if I need the adapter or if it’s just optional? Or could I just take off the old weel off and screw on the new one?
thanks karl . this was very helpfull !
Glad to hear it!
What is more simple, is to install a quick disconnect adapter, so you can switch between the bigger wheel and the stock wheel.
Why would someone wanting to get the old one back
@Chester Nimitz because not everything need a big steering wheel, like gokart or F1 racing.
You could buy buttons off ebay and mount them into the holes on that steering wheel then wire them to the original button harness. If that makes sense to you
Yeah you certainly could.
I just picked up my first sim wheel (G29) and loving it. But I was thinking, are you better off keeping the G29 stock and when you're ready, sell it and buy a a sim wheel that has a larger wheel, magnetic paddle shifter, better feedback etc.? I imagine all of the upgrades add up to a nice used quality wheel off of marketplace?
If you plan on upgrading then yeah I'd just leave it.
I want to do this cool mod too but unable to find a single wheel replacement like that here in Canada.
I've just put a wheel on my g29 and the buttons work but there's no steering and my pedals don't work either, any help would be greatly appreciated
Awesome video Karl. I was thinking for people that want to switch back and for with an open wheel for formula racing maybe you could find some thumb screws to connect the wheel to the adapter? Would that work?
There is a quick release system in development so I may pick that up to try too! :)
Is it possible to do it quick release
I was wondering if you didn't want to put the wheel on straight would you be able to get to the buttons better mate 180 it or have it on the skew wiff just to get to the buttons better obviously would it work tho
What do you use to lubricate your handbrake? Mine is super squeaky.
i have the newer model would this be worth it for drifting?
Is there a way to bypass the button board?
I wonder what the difference in wear and tear is
Have you been looking at my TH-cam search history? Woke up early this morning and have been looking for guides on changing wheels for g20, modding gear lever and doing anything to improve these darn peddles while I wait for the new system to arrive.
Also been searching mk2 Ford Orions too but let's ignore that one
Screw the sim racing! Get me a Mecury grey 1.6i Ghia with the RS kit and we're done! :D
@@KarlGosling haha! I love mk4 escort ghia! Was gonna turbo the one I had 20 odd years ago but some pratt rear ended it so bought a mk2 orion and transplanted a written off s2 rs into it. Don't think I've ever had so much fun in a car. Looked like a shed bit wasn't half fast
I want to do this, but I don't like that the buttons and D pad are partially blocked by the steering wheel...do you know of any steering wheels that don't block the buttons and D pad?
I have a t300rs and I'm looking at larger wheels I would love a proper race wheel like yours it I'm worried about the extra weight of the wheel damaging the motor , mounts , gears . You are right tho smaller wheels are very twitchy especially in f1
The T300 has a stronger motor than the G920 so I think you'll be ok mate.
@@KarlGosling thanks man
Hi
Karl Gosling, I have Logitech G923 and the desk clamp is broken, and I found there is a Replacement Clamp in eBay but not sure they are supporting Logitech G923. can you tell me or can you check is it the same for Logitech G25 G27 G29 and Logitech G923? 😰
Karl you should definitely take a look at MVH studios. Mark over there does some incredible g29 etc mods. Would be fantastic for you to get one on your channel for review.
@@jamesmccaul2945 I did order the Gt series wheel but cancelled and upgraded my wheel to the csl elite. But the wheels he makes are class
@@jamesmccaul2945 mark isn’t in it to fleece people. He makes a quality accessible product which is great for the community
Great video. Going to swap my g29 with a 3drap adapter and a 320mm wheel in the morning, was wondering would it make a huge difference to force feedback or not much. should make a better feel to it hopefully.
It will ruin your motor in a matter of years... It’s not a good idea in all honesty. Buy a TX base
mind telling me if it works fine and how is the ffb? im considering a 320mm wheel too
@@shiwez7134 I took it straight back off didn't like it. Really ruined d feel of d ffb for me.
how the force feedback? did it lessen much?
Hi. Great video. Again. I have one question. I have a G920 steering wheel and use it to play Dirt rally 2.0 and Assetto Corsa Competizione on Xbox one S. I would like a bigger steering wheel for the rally, but for the ACC the original steering wheel is still quite good. I wonder if you can use this 3d adapter with a basic steering wheel as well? The adapter would be permanently mounted on the base, changing only the steering wheel. Would that work? Can you reach a paddle shifters with a basic steering wheel in this case?
I think there are quick release options available mate.
But yes if you don't go deep like this wheel you could reach the paddles.
Thank you
Great video. Can I ask can u use the shifters? It looks like they would be hard to reach.
Watch the video.
I bought a g29 modded and the dude didn't install something right. My Xbox button keeps pressing itself and I get like 15 mins of drive time before it disconnects. Anyone have any tips to fix it?
I see the tlcm pedals sitting in the back of the video i love mine
Well spotted!
does anyone know the weight of that wheel i need this so pls respond as quick pls
Power supply mod? Up the current, not the voltage
Nice video, how big is your mod wheel please? 13inch or 14inch?
I was wondering if you use any equipment for wire management on the Logitech wheel. I have mine on a table and the wire seems to go everywhere which is annoying.
Cable ties to just keep things a bit neater.
I have a question. Is there any way to mount an OEM car steering wheel?. By that i mean a one bolt with splines pattern.(idk how to describe it)
Hmm if a suitable adapter was created then yes, OEM wheels tend to be very heavy though!
Are they Jamo speakers in the background? Ohhhh the memories 🤣
Yes mate they are!! 😀🎶
Remove those stainless steel paddle shifters, it'll remove a bit of weight.
Just ordered this suede wheel as a replacement for my crappy vinyl eBay wheel :D
Makes sense! :)
@@KarlGosling pretty happy with it came next day :D
You said you lost some feel in the force feedback, but in your settings video you don't have everything turned too far up. Did you revisit the settings?
I talked about what I changed in this video.
Thank you English John Cena. Very helpful video.
Has anyone tried putting a steering wheel cover with padding on a smaller wheel?
Hi! Absolutely great video. I'm just wondering, what racing wheel stand is that in the back of the shot on top of the cardboard boxes? It looks quite simple but very stirdy. Do you have brand and maybe type? Thanks a lot!!!
GT Omega Titan, discounted link in the description mate.
@@KarlGosling Thanks a lot man! 👍
aren't the pedal shifters too far?
HI I have been trying to install gaming software Drive G29 LOGITECH a few months now I TRIED many instructions all fail. drive won't install
Did the same with g29 but now none off my buttons work..
did the same for my th wheel
AND>.....How do YOU get into that Chair set up?!!! Like to see a vid just on that!!!......Thanks again*
Whats the racing seat setup called, and does it fold compact easy enough ? thanks
Playseat Challenge and yes it does!
Do you have to plug the buttons back in for it to work on PC or can you go without them?
They are still there behind the wheel mate.
Hi- I just did this swap and now every time i get to turn the wheel the xbox wants to turn off or game pauses any solutions?? thank you
Yes, you have overtightened the screws.
Awesome video as always dude, is that a set of Thrustmaster T-LCM pedals I see in the background. I was hoping you would review them, I have just ordered a set, so I hope you don’t say they are rubbish ha ha. Keep up the good work dude.
Well spotted mate yes! I've only had a very quick play so far but they seem decent enough.
Cheers dude, I have a playseat challenge and it is great, currently got a Thrustmaster TX, T3PA pro pedals and TH8A shifter, just have to try and figure out how to mount the pedals securely when they arrive. You seem like a resourceful chap, so if you have any suggestions they would be appreciated, can’t see the Velcro holding them properly, used cable ties on the pro pedals as I was running them inverted so loads off points to attach the ties to, the T-LCM’s won’t be as easy though. Oh well I have waffled on enough, enjoy the rest off your weekend dude.
Depending where the 4 bolt holes line up just M6 bolts and penny washers will secure the pedals to the PS, that's how I have the Logitech ones fitted, ditched the velcro strap! :)
Awesome, cheers dude. They should be arriving today, I will definitely give that a go. Thank’s for your reply and helping me out 👍🏻
Can I know what's the name of this steering wheel
Whats the long term use like? Will it last? And after doing this would you ever change it back?
I will never know but this has been done for years and seems to hold up.
No I'd never go back mate, original wheel feels like a toy now.
@@KarlGosling is it still going strong ?
I bought a nice deep dish and used the same adaptor. Its given me a lot of problems with sending the buttons crazy whilst in game. I didn't overntighten anything all the buttons are stil working they are just a bit haywire. Randomly pausing the game whilst in a drift etc. Assetto wond even recognise my shifter in game either since I put steering wheel and adapter on. Any ideas on what the problem could be anyone??
Either the board is not plugged in properly or you need to slacken the screws off a bit, give it a try mate.
You better show me the front big man or I'll tell my mum ✌️
20:58 beautiful shortcut
Would have been nice if you'd used the paddle shifters. It looks like the wheel would wreck the paddle shifting experience, because they're so far away. I was dumb and ordered the adapter at the start of the video when now I'm positive I don't want it. Oh well, I'll have it for the future if a more "in between" wheel comes along....
There's paddle extensions available too.
@@KarlGosling For long distance S&M? Srsly tho I just bought a GT Omega Titan based on your review. Looks like I might've gotten the last one in existence because they were sold out after that.
Can you reach any buttons? I wanna do this to mine for iracing but play in vr so button box is a no go
It's awkward but you can.
Hi nice video thanks a lot,can you please tell me where you got the steering wheel spacer from?
Isn't there a link in the description?
@@KarlGosling not for the spacer
Hey Brother....nice vid.....Why did you not install new paddle extenders for the bigger wheel? ....they are available and make them reachable . Just askin*
Because I don't use this setup, it's just for review purposes.
I'm looking at putting a proper size wheel on my pxn V10, I normally run lower FFB but would a bigger/heavier than stock wheel cause issues with unit possible breaking or dying quicker? Cheers
Heavier so yes it will cause more wear and tear... but who knows how much and how fast?!
@@KarlGosling I normally do run pretty low FFB and always have low inertia so that may make it last a bit longer
That's why players turn off the vibration in there controllers. I turn down the centering bc it's very annoying I need to be in control and not the game lol
Do you lose force feedback on the G923 if you switch wheels
Lose? The heavier the wheel the more it is dampened.
Do you have any idea if this will void the warranty?
It definitely will.
thank you
You're welcome
Does the playseat still fold up in the usual way?
Yes! :)