MG4 XPower 1000 km challenge in extreme cold weather
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Bjorn does the kind of testing car magazines never do, the real-life stuff you need to know. He is the BAUSS!
magazine tests have been getting so useless... they just drive around the block "this car is great, everything works on it, fuel efficiency among the best, look it even has a glove box"
They read spec and info from the press release rather than testing, right?
I think magazines play it easy on manufacturers so their journalists can continue the status quo, and get all the nice perks (plane trip to nice European hotels, nice meals, and scenic drives). If journalists put real effort into reviewing cars, they won't get invited to lush events any more.
actually, im so old so I remember car magazines back in the 80ies and they were really good. Todays reviews sounds more often like an ad for the car than a review.
As well as most auto youtubers
I was in Finland in the Arctic Circle at the time and had to charge every 150-175 kilometres in temperatures as low as -36 degrees Celsius, even though the EV6 has a 77kWh battery. These are probably the limits of the battery. With the preconditioning of the battery, it was quickly 35Wh per kilometre
11:20 are the moments why I watch bjorn
A long black hose so hard that you have to ride it and use both hands to put it into submission and place it where you want?
Where have I seen something like that before!... haha
Now that was a proper winter test. The MG4 charging was very good even in the cold.
24:05
On a V3 Supercharger 4 Stalls are sharing 1 DC cabinet and those cabinets typically have 320-350kW of Power. So something around 75kW per Stall. However they can steal power from the other cabinets, so it doesn't matter where you plug-in.
Still on a completely full V3 Supercharger with lots of fast charging cars you won't get more than around 75kW.
I love the review of the stiff charge cables att the Tesla V2 charger, haha. A proper review of a car in the cold and the charging sessions. Good work as always Björn.
I just came back from a 1700km trip with my mg4 luxury and I can confirm that the sits are awesome 😎
Cable management. So underrated! 😂
To avoid fog on the windscreen, I found out that it's better to unable automatic air conditioning spraying and put manually the spray on the windscreen.
Right? Truly cold days, manual fan control, defrost and feet enabled, higher temp and lower fan speed usually does a better job of keeping the windshield clear without all the fan racket.
amazing test, i never knew MGs were this nice. Thanks for the content!
And the big black cable sessions. 🤣 11:21
the long black cable handling was super funny 😂😂😂
Imagine someone sitting in his car a seeing this 😂
3:17 The MG4 has a feature(bug) where it fails handshake with Delta chargers if you haven't locked the doors. Usually if you try again and lock the car it will start charging and you can open the doors after that.
Back in 1984, I had a VW Passat 70 hp gasoline car. Used 11 Liter/100 km at 160 km/h top speed. But at -14°, only 150 km/h top speed, but 14 Liter/100 km.
Petrol gets more dense as it is cooled. So the energy density goes up a lot. My guess is that the engine would have been getting a super rich mixture at -14C. Also the air gets more dense so it’s harder to push through. Thirdly the engine loses efficiency if it can’t thermally manage. An engine that runs too cool even at wide open throttle loses power through the radiator. If you had to do it again, block off the radiator and ensure the coldest air is going in to the engine once it’s up to operating temperature.
Then you will get carburettor icing in the absence of fuel injection
@@theairstig9164 Thanks for the explanation. My last gasoline car with a carburetor ended 1988. My last gasoline car with injection ended 1993. My last Diesel car will end soon. Next will be a Tesla Y.
Good morning in the morning from Germany. It's -10 degrees here
Beautiful morning in NL -6!
-22 in Poland 😂
@@sebsektak😂
- 9°C Hamburg area this morning, without "Stau" 😂 in the Northwest!
Yeah, a bit nippley.
bjorn starts to test something else at 11:25 🤣
Good morning from Uruguay. It's 27°c here.
Tp prevent fogging up the windows, set the recirculation button not to A(utomatic) but on Fresh air!
I find with the MG5 the problem is with the fan speed rather than temperature. I set it to 21 degrees but boost the fan up to 3 to get enough warm airflow to keep up the temperature
I do the same
The temperature here in Edmonton is dropping to -27C today so I find testing in these conditions particularly interesting. Thank you for doing this!
Yeah I believe for us here in Canada with this kind of winter and the temperature a EV is not really practical. Even you up in Edmonton where you probably have Tesla charger. Not an option for me … winter and the cold is too long ..
Have to wait for technology to improve even more, I am sad about people with like last generation cars which are 6 years old, Hyundai Ioniq which maybe gets 100 km range in this kind of weather... but then again it is how it is with early adopters. Maybe for those cases it could be good to have a small petrol/diesel warming up thingy, like they often have on busses in our climate or probably battery trains will also have that when there are more of them. It is not super environmentally friendly but you cannot escape the fact that the dinosaur juice packs a lot of punch (energy) and at least having maybe 2 liters of that in cold climate to heat the battery and car would be a good solution@@wolfgangselle4307
Great test!! Yessir do the extended acceleration test, gonna be nice seeing specially since you found out power limit is real at low soc. Cheers!
Had the same issue when I was in northern sweden for skiing. Once you drop below 17 to 19 minus, the side windows start to fog up and freeze. Saw -30 once, but was -19 to -22 most of the time.
I find it’s always the rapid charger that’s slowing the charging rate down with my Trophy too, I move to another and it jumps up to the max. Two winters in (1 year) and 16,000 miles now in the UK so the coldest I’ve had is -8°c so not quite as finger biting cold as Norway
Too funny always entertaining thanks Mate.
What a winter performance.
I absolutely love these videos. They are so thorough and you systemically test each vehicle objectively. I will also say though that I always end up really appreciating my 2018 bmw 530d. I can drive to Copenhagen and back on a single tank of fuel and without having to worry about anything other than potential speeding tickets 😅
Does your diesel even accelerate? 😂
@@cristianmihai1744 I don’t know… I’ve yet to use full throttle 😂
A direct comparison between the long-range (single motor) version would be super! Otherwise, that's some seriously extreme environment testing :-D
True. The 77 kwh version should do much better. (unless it has some serious flaws, wich then, Bjorn finds out, for us)
@@Bud_Terence the 64kwh version (phase 2 model) would be the most interesting.
Fresh video!
Can't wait for you to test the Zeekr X.
Great charging speed!
Driven in -30/-32 a few times.
This winter was the first time @ -38/-40.
Everything worked. Just 12V battery that struggle after 2 full days and nights outside.
As an owner of an MG4 SE frozen nozzles and high temp heating are run of the mill. How about an SE 1000km challenge in cold with LFP? 🤓 The people’s EV
Another great video 👍
19:41 NICE!
If you wanna talk about cold weather, we had well below -40°C up here in the north of Sweden last week. One Tesla model 3 owner stated that his range was cut in half by the cold.
No Tesla but only 35% of range left at -30t to -35c. There reallty is no heatpump that has any efficency left (if you even get it to start, need to heat up the oil a bit first or the heat pump will quite fast be no more)at those temperatures so people claiming only small lose are either lying or sitting in zero degree car. But even wiht a ptc heater you can really feel the diffrence compared to a water element used in normal cars. It spreads the heat tooo much better with water
Maybe for those cases it could be good to have a small petrol/diesel warming up thingy, like they often have on busses in our climate or probably battery trains will also have that when there are more of them. It is not super environmentally friendly but you cannot escape the fact that the dinosaur juice packs a lot of punch (energy) and at least having maybe 2 liters of that in cold climate to heat the battery and car would be a good solution@@Iceeeen
@@lkrnpk It would, I even thought of installing one, have different modells laying around, one is a gas Webasto, other is a Wallas air heater. But it would be so much better if they came from the factory with one, just then the environmentalist probably go mad 😂
It's really no good soultion around how to tie it in, so it would be just on off sadly
Well if it was just a simple heater the environmentalists (the craziest bunch of them) could just opt not to use it or not buy a car with one installed.
@@lkrnpk If it only would work like that. A couple of years ago the shit hit the fan with newspaper's that found out the heaters let out unthreaded exhaust from the heaters. It went so far that Volvo at least promised not to install them. (They still do and it soon died down) Then we have influenceers like Björn here that moans directly about ppm just because he doesn't understand how much energy it really takes in real cold. Imagine the shit a brand would have to take if they installed a burn heater. 😬
(That tesla he had recently behaved exactly the same as multiple other brands when battery really is cold and you are trying to charge)
That is cold yeah. My mg4 has been to a new low after many days with -20 or more. Down to like 210km range but with full heat and everything but i do not need to set the temperature to more then 24 to have good heat. I do not have the updated software i see the Xpower has though so i need to update. Soon as the temp is no lower then -15 my range goes up to 260km so i am pretty happy. My car also fogs up just the same. Just choose all 3 air vent directions in the menu at the same time and the fog stays off :)
My MG ZS EV (first gen) has that power limitation as well. Even at -5 and low charge, I get power limitation.. so it did not surprise me that this one has that as well.
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Yes please do acceleration test with different battery percentages i feel like there will be a massive difference between 100% and even just 40%
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My Q4 e50 does also have a consumption +/- around 35 kwh/100 (at minus15-20) and "fast charges" at 20-30 kw for no matter how long i drive :(
Very interesting video. Please make similar videos (low temp) with other cars like meb, tesla ....
Great ICE ad
Very interesting video 👍🏻
Did you use the battery preheater?
Yes. I think I also showed that in the video.
Thanks
Thank you very much :)
I love this car
Nissan leaf 24kWh for a few days in minus 31-35C, range is ofcourse garbage but it starts and gets me where i need to go even when left outside..
excellent video, do i get it right at 27.50 min, that my kia niro ev, is one of the best performant in terms of kw x km?
Bjorn, always great to watch your posts, what is the application you are using to connect to the EV, and the adapter type you need? Keen to also see you do a full review on the Fisker Ocean...
I don't get why they can't build charging stations the way they build petrol stations, with a canopy on top, trash bins, a small shop or coffee vending machine etc.... that would be nice to get people convinced this is the future...
also, I know the first comment on "Chinese cars lie about consumption" was maybe made in jest, but so do other EV makers. Tesla promised range is nowhere near the truth, at least on mine
Well MG caps energy consumption in the infotainment, so thats lying in real time.
Tesla just follows test standards, what else should they do? Cant really see how is that lying.
1) some charging operators do build like that. Check out fastned or MFG.
2) most cars do not cap their wh/km consumption figure but a lot of Chinese ones do for some reason. We're not talking about range figures but the equivalent of a petrol car never reporting less than 20mpg even when it's only getting 15mpg.
I was driving my MY at 2,33 kWh /10 km on 80 roads in - 20 C.
+2c here in South East England!
A bit nippy, as we'd say here!
Can't imagine what -25c would be like. :)
Not that bad with proper clothes and not spending too much time outside. It is cold but your face also gets used to it if you experience it from time to time, but gor a person from warmer climate the nose and cheeks will feel it first as they are exposed
Air hurts your face. Not fun.
"Tesla-Nisse" 😂 10:19
18:25 that is at 60% though, think we get more than that on ours when we do roadtrips at -20C.
I just love your videos and your humor👍👍 How much is the price for charging for those 1000 km and up to 100 % as when you started the trip?
Intelligent battery heating is very good but increases the consumption of about 7 Kwh
11:30 that is a good one 👍
What a wonderful 1000km Challenge. I liked it alot when you did donuts. The normal Tesla Model 3s should have a Trackmode light so we would be able to do donuts too. Please use your connections and ask Elon if we could get a Trackmode light too.... Thanks
You can make donuts with Sexy buttons.
@@bjornnyland Good to know! I just bought the SEXY buttons so that I could turn my wipers off while using autopilot. A few days later Tesla provided an update that allows drivers to turn off the wipers. I have a RWD LR M3, which should be great for donuts. 😀
@@bjornnylandcan you test the new sexy buttons 2.0?
super bjorn! the only thing, you must drive in eco so only rear motor drive. and you have minus consumption. also at that temeprature Heat pump doesn't work and you only use normal heating. so consumption of heater will be almost 4 kwh . it's about 48 kwh total. without this value you have about 290 wh km that is good for that temeprature and in normal mode. you are the best!!
Incorrect. In Normal mode, rear motor is running and front motor is sleeping.
Do giù have tecnical explanation about drive mode and use of motors? It would be super! Thank you very much!
I‘m not sure how accurate the temperature monitoring of the battery and cabin is.
But on other hand, with -28° it’s a hard duty to hold temperature in a fair condition.
Next time maybe take your heat cam with you to find out how good insulation of battery is 😀
Some tesla owners from Alaska is isulate all piping from the octovalve. there is alot of range to gain.
Great Real world Test!!
I wonder if there are anyafter-markettoptionsn to install diesel heaters for EVs? That should helpa lott with the range and heating?
Greets from Prague, CZ. -11 Degrees here now
Interesting, 15:03 - center screen shows correct average consumption (36 kWh/100 km) in the last 50 km (fixed distance as in other Chinese cars).
Which OBD reader you are using on MG4? I'm using Car Scanner on mine with LeLink BLE or OBDLink LX and both are heavily fluctuating on battery temps + don't update battery power etc properly.
Do model y in these conditions please
I read somewhere that the intelligent battery heating eats a lot of battery to warm it up. And in those temps you tested i wonder how much of the consumption is going to the battery heating?
I am so glad with my disel kia.I do fil my tank once per 800km by 110 speed.and in warm interior ,Unefectiv MG at all
I thought you said you slept for 1.5hrs but you only deducted 1hr.
Great video but doubt I'd ever drive in - 25. But in my Highland RWD I'm getting 3.99 miles/kW and thats over 3140 miles (primarily motorway) that's 6.39km/kW. The temperature in the UK is between 2°C and 6°C at the moment at the times I'm driving. Looking forward to your extreme 1000km challenge for the Model 3.👍
I'm a sucker for hot hatches and I was considering the Xpower but the quirks regarding powerlimiting give me pause. I wouldn't want to wrestle with this issue while having fun in the canyons at night. Plus there's reports of the chassis tuning being uninspiring and the safety electronics too intrusive. I'll be waiting for the acceleration vs SOC test and will schedule an extended test drive.
But in the end it seems like I'll have to wait for the Tesla hatchback's performance version to get a proper performing EV hatchback with good driving dynamics.
Thank you very much :)
Question Bjorn, can you do a Kia ev9 tow test with a caravan that weighs at least 1600kg? Thanks!
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The Sun won't be entering the chat at all here. It's UK-based and the record ever cold here is -27°C in Scotland (-26 in England). Any temperature below -15 is extremely rare. Yet this whole run was below that, so this counts as an extreme test and doesn't really count as a black mark for the MG.
You must be close to being able to put an estimate on the "average" impact of cold on an EV. From this test it looks like 1% extra consumption for each 1°C. It's quite a stiff penalty for driving in the cold. Obviously it will be very dependant on the Cd, but I'd guess the MG4 is fairly average on that.
It seems like a good car, especially considering how much cheaper it is than the Plaid you're mostly comparing it against.
I had pretty hard power limit in my cupra Born at -6C 10% soc last week. It would decelerate at 140kmh
Walk to trash bin helps to make your own heat, so stay warmer, use less heat in Xpower.
-28C feels balmy, last week I drove Model 3 in -43C Lapland 🥶
Appearantly this one does not have 4wd in reverse.. I have one on order.. but got really sceptic about that. Can not find anything about it in the configurator..
For example, I drove 800km (from Belarus to Russia) yesterday night -30C with Model 3 LR (2022). So I had ~250wH/km
No way, My Rwd is using that much at - 6.
@@user-jh6vt8vx4v you know, we don't have a lot of charging station here. So if i didn't have such consumption, i don't get next station )) But i get it. Average speed was ~80km/h because of snow.
@@user-jh6vt8vx4v you can check distance between stations: from Polotsk station to Pskov station. And check yesterday night weather report for this region.
@@alexmaz5323the problem is not only the speed. The heating of the cabin will increase energy consumption significantly. Unless you put on your jackie and using the heated seat.
Hello
What application You use in Phone?
When breathing true the mouth you produce much more moist ear blowing toward the front screen. Breathing true nose give much less fog on the front screen
very impressive to see no coldgating on those mg, i wonder if it's the same on the standard version...
Trophy model should be the same as it uses the same NMC battery chemistry but standard range MG4 comes with an LFP battery and I understand that they don't handle the cold as well. It has a lower official max charging speed anyway.
In your temp column try using a tilde to indicate from~to values rather an a hyphen/n-dash/minus
Interesting with a consumption of 380 wH/km (at one point at least!) which is higher than what Kris Rifa got with a EV9 in the cold! Although his run was a bit warmer. His run ended up at 368 I think.
At a given point he might have been going up hill. It is not interesting, that’s why average consumption is what we look at
@@hugodeandres1497The final figure was not that much lower!
@the ground condition and wind speed affect drastically on consumption. My Rwd model 3 required 260wh/km ish on a - 6 celcious calm day at 110km/h speed. However, I can bring it down to 180wh/km below if following the draft of container truck and bring the speed down to between 90 to 100 depends on the speed of the container truck in front of me.
I suspect a substantial amount of energy/efficiency was lost due to battery heating at these temperatures.
What sensor is the «EV/HEV Battery Power»? I can’t find that sensor in my Car Scanner app.
NCM battery is good is better than LFP in cold right?
A number 1 winter challenge 1000 km run. I was looking at live-stream until around 5 in the morning even I had to go to work... Massive power consumption in this insane cold ! Maybe it would be interesting to see what the power consumption would be if the "intelligent" battery heater was not used ? Could lower consumption even out a slower charging ? If you where not in a hurry and can take the time needed, would it make sense not to heat battery ?
It does not even out. I tried on my own car and not having the intelligent battery heater on i saved 7km of speed. But when i charged in -20 even after driving for 1.5 hours i only got like 75kw speed. It was a long trip so for the next charge i had the heater on using the cars satnav for next charger then i got 137kw so it helps out a ton.
If the intelligent heating is on all the time it will eat into the battery. Is it not better to put it on 30 minutes before a charge?
Well hopefully its intelligent enough to calculate duration needed at arrival to charger automatically.
And of course its thermostatically controlled so its not like it will be running at max capacity like on/off switch. @@gibroon4418
Did you have the battery heating on for the entire trip? In the setting this can be turned off, thats how you got the high consumtion
Wow that’s cold, and to put to comparison Kris rifa drove the Kia ev9 in 120kmh in the exact same conditions and he got the consumption of 368wh/km and that’s a freaking brick.
Please do a 1000km challenge with the M3 highland standard range
Hahahaha it's 5:14 let's try track mode 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hmm, that powerlimit under 10%, is almost dangerous, on the Autobahn. You become a ostacle, for the Mothertruckers. 🤔
I have seen the livestream ☺️
I'll repeat myself one more time: irrespectively of whether or not a driver has put antifreeze in the windscreen washer, I don't understand how difficult it would be for cars being sold in cold winter regions to have a preheating element in the washer activated via a button!...
Would be really dangerous to have it then freeze on the windshield
@@petrimuinonen3462 I don't know about that, never tried to throw washer antifreeze liquid at a windshield with those negative temps, don't know if some of it will freeze at contact and make visibility worse... where I live it's difficult for temps to drop below 5°C during winter nights, so this is definitely an unknown situation for me!...
I wonder if the stalls can also cold-gate and nerf the charging speed? 🤔
Doubtful
Strange that you need to have the temp set so high. Is it the latest firmware? Because on my MG4 Luxury i just have it on 22 degrees and it's comfy just wearing a t-shirt. This was even when i was crossing finnmarksvidda in -30 degrees. Before the firmware update i had it on 26 for the same comfort feeling. But charghing was slow then. Only 77Kwh at max when it was -30 at a Tesla charger.
Watch yesterday's video.
My trophy often needs 28c to be comfortable too.
77 kW
51kwh?
Ta gärna upp om awd fungerar på backväxel, läste på engelskt forum att den bara driver på bakhjul vid backning??
I did the same in a parking lot when I was twenty and police stopped me. 4AM in the morning. A penality fee for "reckless driving". 180€ 🤑
Don't worry. Where I did it no one saw me 🤣
The insane powerlimit at 10% is a bit scarry :D
@@andersnilsson973 Well other EV's dont have that issue, my Model 3 and Y both drive180 km/h with 10% battery in -20°C..
Outside looks so nice, inside is disappointing.
Isn't the battery "not cooled as much" during charging simply because outside temp is -25C and the environment cools it sufficiently?
Not when standing still.