I just measured consumption at low temp (ok, lowish from your POV, around -5 °C) at my wall charger for a 12 km commute and a 50km commute with 2 heating cycles (start at -5 with preheating, drive 12/50km, park for 6-8h, preheat and drive 12/50km again) with my MYP. For the 12km commute, the Tesla showed 240Wh/km in the car, but it actually took a total of 11 kWh from the wall charger to bring the SOC back up to the starting percentage, so it effectively used 440 Wh/100km. For the 50km the numbers were 260 Wh/km in the car (part highway) and 300 Wh/km at the wall charger. Maybe you should add something like this to your test procedures and at least compare the numbers you get from the cars with the numbers you get from the chargers for the whole trip or some of the segments... the Tesla in-car numbers feel like cheating, would be interesting to see how the charger vs. car numbers compare for different brands.
Apparently software update R11 improves the “Toyota Driver” feature to mean less slowdown on curves. Worth seeing if that update could be applied and retest perhaps. Imagine a car which could receive updates over the air 🧐🤓
Car Scanner Pro: Please work on the Experimental MG4 profile. Its too buggy. My app misreports battery SOC by -5%. ABRP correctly reads SOC through the same adapter.
at 18:00 i did not understand how you calculated the real consumption. "take this minus that minus that" what? can you please write it down somewhere and explain more?
Hey Bjorn. I was just going to ask if it's still slowing down. That's mean they didn't update soft in this one. Mine had it updated a few weeks ago and doesn't slow down anymore. Plus they have changed something in the Aircon setting as 22° is comfortable for me now, while I had to set it to 24-25° before. It's way better now 👍🏼
The battery may be able to recieve the high charging speeds at low temperatures but how good is it for longevity of the battery? (if the temperature reading is correct). I think this is a thing to consider for the future. Car manufacturers may optimize for short term tests or the performance when the car is new to get good reviews and experience of new-buyers, but how great will the car be in 5-6-10 years from now? I have to little knowledge to answer, but it is bugging me that one does not know how the internal discussions at car companies are in regards to short term and long term performance. One manufacturer may think that charging at low temperatures are so rare that it is no problem to cheate a bit. Others may have other opinions.
8:15 any battery can take that kind of speeds, but they limit it, to extend life of battery. Would be interesting to see how is degradation in older MG4s ...
absolutely no. mg4 is limited because surely can go over, in particular in summer. bms mantain a safe value for battery life. surely it can take 170 or over at 10% but it's limited at 141 that is over what mg say 135.
I just want to share my rough thoughts about the increasing air resistance when it is getting colder. Coming from p*V=m*R*T (you can use V and m relative to time as well). Assuming same ambient pressure, same car and speed therefore same volume stream. R is also constant. 20^C=293K, -12^C=261K, -24^C=249K. 293/261=112% 261/249=105% We could take roughly 12% higher energy consumption @-12^C from air resistance and additional 5% @-24^C. Any other thoughts?
Number of adverts on TH-cam have gone stupid since October I had to watch six lots of adverts to watch this video.. it was half that many in September..great vid though as usual.
The auto pilot works when there is a visible lanes. Volvo has the best system. When there is no visible lane u can choose to follow the car Infront of u but no lane keeping
Looking at these numbers I can't really complain about my Leaf 40kWh. My available capacity is 34kWh and my consumption at 90km/h and -9° Celcius is 16kWh/100km.
I test drove an MG4 when the lease on my previous Leaf was nearing its end and I was SHOCKED by the consumption. I tested the 50 kWh LFP version on a long trip and got 29 kWh/100km while my Leaf never used more than 22 on that trip, even in worse and colder weather. Then at the rapid charger I only got around 40 kW charging power after one hour of driving, with battery heating at the end, at outside temperatures around 5 degrees. On the previous day, when it was warmer, power derating started at > 30% SOC while driving on the autobahn, and at 15% it had so little power I could not maintain 80 km/h on a slight incline. I reckoned that even the 40 kWh Leaf would be better all round.
@@bjornbieber9403 I had high hopes for the MG4. My local Nissan dealership sells them. I see them very often here in Germany. I'll stick to my Leaf for now. It's a joy to drive in winter. The cabin preheating works a treat.
You also cannot ask for feedback without specifying the point of comparison 😅 Do you think everyone knows the video you're talking about by just a rough description like this?
To be honest I’m getting tired of screens being the focal point in cars today, I want analogue dials, buttons and knobs. It’s too distracting all this screens and then trying to adjust temp and fan and then trying to change radio stations all while on the move. In fact it’s a major turn off for me now so much that I won’t buy another car that is so heavily focused on screens.
I agree, but the larger problem by far is the universal use of electrification to implement mass surveillance as was done with mobile phones. We are being enslaved and no one seems to care.
It disappoints me to see how much the chinese “lie”. The break caliper cover to make it look bigger, the 25 degrees setting to correspond to 21, the mg autopilot that’s road-ready but life endangering, the consumption numbers that only go to max 29,8 kw on the screen… Westerners are used to having a lot more honest and straightforward instruments. I still cringe when I see cars unable to accurately tell me their current speed and have to rely on gps to tell me when 130 is 130 and not 127
Bjørn, your frequent use of "sheeeeyit" sounds like you're imitating an American Black man. It sometimes even sounds mocking, and it does not sound cool. Otherwise, I admire your command of American English and slang. Oh, "Holy macaroni!" exists here only as "Holy mackerel!", a euphemism for "Holy Moses!".
Improved brake caliper cover..😂
Brake caliper cover ordered from Temu 🤣
I just measured consumption at low temp (ok, lowish from your POV, around -5 °C) at my wall charger for a 12 km commute and a 50km commute with 2 heating cycles (start at -5 with preheating, drive 12/50km, park for 6-8h, preheat and drive 12/50km again) with my MYP. For the 12km commute, the Tesla showed 240Wh/km in the car, but it actually took a total of 11 kWh from the wall charger to bring the SOC back up to the starting percentage, so it effectively used 440 Wh/100km. For the 50km the numbers were 260 Wh/km in the car (part highway) and 300 Wh/km at the wall charger. Maybe you should add something like this to your test procedures and at least compare the numbers you get from the cars with the numbers you get from the chargers for the whole trip or some of the segments... the Tesla in-car numbers feel like cheating, would be interesting to see how the charger vs. car numbers compare for different brands.
Apparently software update R11 improves the “Toyota Driver” feature to mean less slowdown on curves. Worth seeing if that update could be applied and retest perhaps. Imagine a car which could receive updates over the air 🧐🤓
Car Scanner Pro: Please work on the Experimental MG4 profile. Its too buggy. My app misreports battery SOC by -5%. ABRP correctly reads SOC through the same adapter.
"... and we have a Shaolin monk driving like a drunk" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😅
at 18:00 i did not understand how you calculated the real consumption. "take this minus that minus that" what? can you please write it down somewhere and explain more?
Hey Bjorn. I was just going to ask if it's still slowing down. That's mean they didn't update soft in this one. Mine had it updated a few weeks ago and doesn't slow down anymore. Plus they have changed something in the Aircon setting as 22° is comfortable for me now, while I had to set it to 24-25° before. It's way better now 👍🏼
The battery may be able to recieve the high charging speeds at low temperatures but how good is it for longevity of the battery? (if the temperature reading is correct). I think this is a thing to consider for the future. Car manufacturers may optimize for short term tests or the performance when the car is new to get good reviews and experience of new-buyers, but how great will the car be in 5-6-10 years from now? I have to little knowledge to answer, but it is bugging me that one does not know how the internal discussions at car companies are in regards to short term and long term performance. One manufacturer may think that charging at low temperatures are so rare that it is no problem to cheate a bit. Others may have other opinions.
What should be the state of health? Mine reads 91.59%.
8:15 any battery can take that kind of speeds, but they limit it, to extend life of battery. Would be interesting to see how is degradation in older MG4s ...
absolutely no. mg4 is limited because surely can go over, in particular in summer. bms mantain a safe value for battery life. surely it can take 170 or over at 10% but it's limited at 141 that is over what mg say 135.
"29.8... not great, not terrible"
In the Ioniq 38kWh the displayed consumption is capped at 99.9kWh/100km (obviously you get this high only through stationary heating).
I just want to share my rough thoughts about the increasing air resistance when it is getting colder. Coming from p*V=m*R*T (you can use V and m relative to time as well). Assuming same ambient pressure, same car and speed therefore same volume stream. R is also constant. 20^C=293K, -12^C=261K, -24^C=249K. 293/261=112%
261/249=105%
We could take roughly 12% higher energy consumption @-12^C from air resistance and additional 5% @-24^C.
Any other thoughts?
Number of adverts on TH-cam have gone stupid since October I had to watch six lots of adverts to watch this video.. it was half that many in September..great vid though as usual.
What is the car like in powder snow if you’ve driven it in that?
Comfortable temperature in my Wife's Dolphin requires cabin temp set at 24, compared to my Model 3 at 21. Both from China Bjorn 🙂
Please SE, the poor man’s / car of the people, test for comparison. LFP for the win!
Can anyone tell where to find auto steer I can only find traffic jam assist? Or is using TJA at high speed?
Yes, it was TJA.
When are you gonna test the Highland Bjorn? Looking forward to that😁
It’ll be a 1000km challenge king surely!
@@PJWeynot completely sure the est. EPA range is not that high however big improvement on WLTP so will be interesting to see real range
Ciao! Are you planning to test the Ioniq6?
www.youtube.com/@bjornnyland/search?query=ioniq%206
Hallo Björn !!
I like you test you have..
but i like to now hwatt program you have in yours telefon.
BEVs are ONLY tested thoroughly, when tested by the BAUSS.
The auto pilot works when there is a visible lanes. Volvo has the best system. When there is no visible lane u can choose to follow the car Infront of u but no lane keeping
Temperature measurement vs cabin info would be nice 👍🏻
Interestingly the MG app shows internal and external temperature but the in Car app doesn’t display internal cabin temperature
that video is already online
its any person now name about this app björn jus in tel when i test car
Looking at these numbers I can't really complain about my Leaf 40kWh.
My available capacity is 34kWh and my consumption at 90km/h and -9° Celcius is 16kWh/100km.
I test drove an MG4 when the lease on my previous Leaf was nearing its end and I was SHOCKED by the consumption. I tested the 50 kWh LFP version on a long trip and got 29 kWh/100km while my Leaf never used more than 22 on that trip, even in worse and colder weather. Then at the rapid charger I only got around 40 kW charging power after one hour of driving, with battery heating at the end, at outside temperatures around 5 degrees.
On the previous day, when it was warmer, power derating started at > 30% SOC while driving on the autobahn, and at 15% it had so little power I could not maintain 80 km/h on a slight incline.
I reckoned that even the 40 kWh Leaf would be better all round.
@@bjornbieber9403 I had high hopes for the MG4. My local Nissan dealership sells them. I see them very often here in Germany. I'll stick to my Leaf for now. It's a joy to drive in winter. The cabin preheating works a treat.
Never experienced the cold from roof in the Tesla. Buzz it was only -7°C.
Slowing down in corners like a Toyota driver 😂
There is a polish youtuber, who reviewed this car and the guy is trustworthy, so I was really interested, what was Your opinion in opposition to his.
You can’t leave this comment and not tell us what differences you found
You also cannot ask for feedback without specifying the point of comparison 😅 Do you think everyone knows the video you're talking about by just a rough description like this?
Are you talking about the first thing or the second thing? The first thing I agree with him. The second thing I disagree.
It's not the drivetrain that weighs extra so much but the extra motor at the front
The motor is the drivetrain...
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To be honest I’m getting tired of screens being the focal point in cars today, I want analogue dials, buttons and knobs.
It’s too distracting all this screens and then trying to adjust temp and fan and then trying to change radio stations all while on the move.
In fact it’s a major turn off for me now so much that I won’t buy another car that is so heavily focused on screens.
I agree, but the larger problem by far is the universal use of electrification to implement mass surveillance as was done with mobile phones. We are being enslaved and no one seems to care.
Yo whatzzzup! ❤
It disappoints me to see how much the chinese “lie”. The break caliper cover to make it look bigger, the 25 degrees setting to correspond to 21, the mg autopilot that’s road-ready but life endangering, the consumption numbers that only go to max 29,8 kw on the screen…
Westerners are used to having a lot more honest and straightforward instruments.
I still cringe when I see cars unable to accurately tell me their current speed and have to rely on gps to tell me when 130 is 130 and not 127
Lose up to 49% range of already paltry 252 miles. Then again. with more power, less range can be expected, in good weather.
Better get other brand. This car have less range because thirsty.
Slow in curves like a Toyota driver LOL🤣
very poor consumption 😮
has that car heat pump?
@@alaznispireli7481 No Heat pump on MG 4 That applies to all levels of trim .
It does have a heat pump just not in UK
@@Rufus2005f1 How typical.
Well it is a poor man's Lamborghini killer so expected really 😊
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Bjørn, your frequent use of "sheeeeyit" sounds like you're imitating an American Black man.
It sometimes even sounds mocking, and it does not sound cool. Otherwise, I admire your
command of American English and slang. Oh, "Holy macaroni!" exists here only as "Holy
mackerel!", a euphemism for "Holy Moses!".
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