TAIPEI BIKE SHOW 2023 - Day 2 : More bikes!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- This show is HUGE. I'm barely scratching the surface. As a continuation of yesterday's video, this is just me wondering around saying what I see. We have the new SRAM Eagle stuff, some local bikes from Trigon, and just a bit of everything really.
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this looks very promising! nice one to check out in the future...👀
Great job, i would like to take some parts of your video to show to my followers, i will share the link to your video too!!!
Give the man a pat on the back for the thumbnail.
Quite the hairdresser indeed!
Maybe we will see you showcasing your BB's at these events soon! 😊
.. probably duped ..
How come you're not there? Don't they allow 5 year Olds?
Why?
Thank you for the kind feature! Our BB fans were really excited when they saw this video and shared it with us. Peace and love from Malaysia 🇲🇾 ❤
Incredibly beautiful jerseys. Will be placing an order before Summer comes to my part of the USA.
Thanks again really enjoying your taking us to the show! One thing a bit depressing though ....with the exception of the older Colnago in the hypoxic training room & the Bryton bike showing their varia version seems rim brakes are gone 😒 I am glad Winspace is still doing the rim frame but seeing this show really drives it home that there is precious little coming our way
Very hard to find a rim brake bike on the show.
Rim brake bikes do work really well as indoor training bikes, you can set them up on a trainer and not worry much about the brakes at all
You mean no big brand race focused rim brake bikes. Go to smaller brands there is still plenty of it.
thanks, very useful.
Wow, just floors and floors of future landfill.
Wow! The new SRAM rear derailleur is causing more controversy than Boris and Partygate 😮
Ha ha. The Bike Tech Nerdsphere is a small universe. I don't think No. 10 Downing is preoccupied with other matters.
Excellent as always!
Thanks again!
Thanks for showing the Trigon stand really dig this brand! 👌🏾👌🏾
Their AR01 looks stunning!
The bikes looked well thought out
sram's engineers might have been spending too much time in that hypoxic chamber
lol
Check out worker moving the ladder at about @3:10. OSHA in USA would have a conniption.
Very interesting that Chinese brands are promoting the Taiwan - Taipei bicycles trade event. Most Chinese brands are precluded from exhibiting and in some cases, participating in the show. I am even seeing promotions to attract international Taiwan attendees to visit Shenzhen following the show.
Maybe because in the past there were too many Taiwanese brands to accept smaller non-Taiwanese brands. But with the current sharp downturn in the bike industry, maybe many smaller brands have gone out of business or opted out of setting up a booth. I know even Giant is extending the payment terms to its suppliers so the smaller players are likely fared worse.
There's obviously some politics involved, but most people just wanna do business.
@@ChinaCycling this right here is the answer.
@@ChinaCycling It would be foolish to not recognize the potential challenge to manufacturing and supply chains if you think beyond 2024. Xi has made it very clear that the CCP will take control of the island of Taiwan by 2027. I understand your point about conducting business, but you must admit that should this action take place, conducting business during this time will be a real issue. Good business people need to have plans in place for alternative (temporary or permanent) resources.
7:59 - Should have added "Cycling" to their brand name so they could be called BBC 😩
Haha! Nice one bro 😉
@@bikebaju I love you stuff!
That little wooden strider bike was cool
Nice 🎉
Sé que es mucho trabajo grabar y más aún editar 😭, pero gracias Joe, estuvo muy bueno. 🥰🙌
Salute good video 🙏💪👍🔥🇵🇷💯
Always interesting. Have I really just seen a bike with a transparent window insert in the head tube so we can see the internal cable routing………….whatever next ? …………oh yes those wheels 🫣
Man I wanted that Bryton radar to work, but DC Rainmaker saying it's a pass right now. Need to get their firmware right first.
Yeah... More time needed I guess..
I think you should wear the 1st (extra) BB shirt or the 3rd shown (2nd on the rack) while you ride the Pinarello of the thumbnail! 😂 Disguised in neon-"camo". 🤭 Could you combine that with an Aerozine chainring, a pink bottle and a yellow bottlecage, please!? 😂🤭
Sounds like the perfect combination 🤣
Are we going to ignore the skills on the ladder 😮
its rly nothing special. everyone i ever worked with could do that
round of applause for ladder guy 3:07
Stijn Cycles from Belgium 🇧🇪
I destroyed that name, so sorry to them.
Awesome vid, just a Curious question. Where do Sagmit, Mountain Peak, etc... and other similar brands made? Since they from Taiwan, re they from known brand factories as well then rebranded? Same Ltwoo. Im from the Philippines and a lot of great frames like Sagmit, Weapon, Mountain Pek, Foxter, but cheaper
These Blacktech wheels look like a very smart design.
$4000+ USD tho. Ouch.
New toy accessories =$$$$$🙃
Got to save some 🤑
Would love to see bikes in gravel,folding,and touring category....thks
Lol Thermaltake isn't some little heatsink manufacturer that switched to bikes. They are still a massive name in the PC parts space. My case and half my water cooling gear is Thermaltake.
Hi is there any update on Shimano GRX, 12speed?
Regarding this new SRAM direct mount derailleur, I was initially concerned like you. But then I realized that the axle would have to bend before the force could twist the drop out. And I’m guessing the through Axle is pretty strong. What do you think? Great video btw!
I just think the whole system isn't very conductive to a bike that will last 5+ years.
Watch the 2nd video PT put out today. This SRAM design relies not only on the axle but the dropout also. Personally I think all the carbon bike brands should put out a disclaimer that says if you use this derailleur you will void your warranty.
PT has emphasized that since the axle is a stiff material, it's still gonna transmit most of the forces into the dropouts. Plus, the knurled washer grinding the dropout (therefore reducing DS dropout width and losing thru axle preload) and the pressure towards cheaped-out factories in making better tolerances is still glaringly present.
I wouldn't worry about it. Seems like most mountain bike riders I know buy a new bike every season. A bad crash, the frame should maybe be replaced anyway.
As far as maintenance of the derailleur and its fit on the frame. I would think if needed that a shim could easily made out of an aluminum soda can, about .003" to .005 " or a piece of plastic packaging anywhere from. 002" to .02" depending on the fit required.
How do I go about purchasing one of those bicycles?
L-TWOO is progressing rapidly giving customers the right to choose unto a budget friendly drivetrain.
I think what people missed is that this move from SRAM deviates from universality. Most complaints people have towards hangers is the non-uniformity between brands and frames and the UDH solved that. With the integrated hanger, SRAM forces bike manufacturers to conform around the brand-specific RD design, which is a step backwards from UDH.
Shimano tried this before but with an RD bracket that is replaceable in case of crash damage and people didn't vibe with it, how much more an RD that uses more material, has proprietary design, and puts itself first over the frame.
No, I think you've missed the fact that the new Sram derailleur uses the UDH mounting pattern on the frame, so it actually solidifies the UDH standard with a dedicated derailleur.
Any frame that doesn't use the UDH standard is going to seem antiquated very quickly.
But those frames can still use UDH so they're backward compatible with every old derailleur
@@galenkehler but you also missed the fact that SRAM's new schematics and specifications have gotten rid of the frame-integrated protruding stopper that limits the UDH's angular displacement to a finite range and replaces it with the knurled washer to "limit" rotation. Thus, the UDH fitted to the new dropout can rotate rearwards during impact without stopping (which introduces problems).
My Trek Domane Al 2022 is manufactured in China. Do you have any idea where the factory is?
So I' was wondering.... Would that Topeak MTB bottle cage be compatible with my gravel bike? Because I'm having issues with my gravel helmet while riding my road bike....😁😂😜
Definately not cross compatible.... 🙃
The trigon bikes are designed with the help of cyclist. Christian and JP. I ride with those guys
The AR01 is looking good, ticking the boxes...
Except that the frameset and bars are 4k$
ka-ching.
@@simonderoo9189 Yes I thought that when I saw the price...
little to no discussion about the PRICE of the Sram Transmission. which is ludicrous .
Sram proposes simple solution: Just buy a new frame! No problemos!
Spring seat posts. Hum more 90s MTB replication
Haha, loving it. Cantilever brakes coming soon!
Token cable internal box catch my eyes..
Can I ask you for a favor could you do a show on kid/BMX bikes right now we’re having a debate companies that build BMX bikes in China would help thanks
There's a few here, not sure enough for a full video tho.
wonder how many realise that the downturn in carbon manufacture is actually a really big deal🤔...
Maybe pick and choose what you want to show us? Because some stands you filmed, talked, and I'm still unsure what was interesting or even sold there. Thermaltake comes to mind...
Thermaltake are a bike shop... they sell mostly western bike brands. Wasn't much to show there that you can't see in the west anyway... but yeah, it gets overwhelming
World can remind the taiwanese of what tactics they promoted in singapore over the past 8 years
Topeak is pronounced TOWpeek, FYI.
2:27 "super interesting design" I looks like it's been designed by Homer "the inventor" Simpson
Hahahah
Your SRAM transmission controversy(s) are way over exaggerated. If one takes a hit or hits that massive, one should worry about fractured bones and skull not the carbon frame. I have been using the SRAM transmission for more than 4 months and it is a true masterpiece, and for more than 17 years of hard MTB riding I never had a "massive" hit on my rear derailleur.
Bro, find someone to do something about your hair. I mean you can't change you face but try to offset it with some stylish hair.
The microshift youngster group set and ORA (frame oem) were the only things remotely interesting.
Panda rules!!!❤️❤️🔥🔥
As others have stated, the real highlight of this show was that man taking his ladder for a ride.
Yeah, but it doesn't qualify as a tall bike. But it sure was impressive. I don't know how it fits in with the show's health and safety regulations.
Meets all Taiwan safety standards....
The guy was a legend.
@@ChinaCycling Whadaya mean, was, Joe? He didn't get killed falling off, did he? I sure hope not!
@@richardharris8538 😁
Looking forward to see how L-Twoo & Sensei develop over the next couple of years.
C'mon most impressive thing there is the dude on the step ladder!
I was just about to say that... 😄
Those Trigons look pretty nice.
Maybe the reason why there are few carbon composite bikes is that first its goddamn expensive and also the temperature in asian countries is so hot it ruins the materials of the carbon fiber. Metal and alloy is the material of choice for tropical countries
That guy on the ladder tho..
I know, all those hours wasted by me coming down the ladder to move it...
My cycplus arrived 2 days ago. I've not had to use it in anger yet but in a simple test it seems to work really well.
It sounds angry. Haha.
TOTEM staff saw you with your camera
and
decide to walk RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT.
if I were her manager, I will sack her on the spot.
Missed opportunity not having that cleaning robot dressed up as WALL-E 😂
I'd have gone for R2-D2
OMG! 😃👍 The woom children's bike with hydraulic fork, disk brakes and gear shifter made me jealous! 🤭 I mean... I grew up in communist Germany in the 1970's. 😂
Aerozine colorful bike parts and the plywood balance bike - very cool. 😃👍
So cool!
What is the name of the colorful jersey company? BB was the logo.
BikeBaju
@@ChinaCycling cheers mate. Your pronounciation was spot on in the video 🫰 props to you
Trigon bike are going back to the scene.. Niceeee
The greenish/golden Upload (Totem) road bike and the rather classical Trigon road bikes, especially the orange one, *very, very nice* ! 🙂
Thanks Joe - These big trade shows can be a workout. Looking forward to the Panda Podium launch soon.
14:55 Have a look at the new SRAM chain... 2 extra holes in each link. How much do they save? 15 grams? But how much grinding dirt will be stuck in there? 🤦♂️ Stupid!
This show looks boring same old same old for example how come in 2023 we are still using derailleurs to change gears ? this was invented over 100 years ago and we still do not have a better system ? how come in this era of recycling materials we are usin carbon fiber very difficult to recycle and toxic in landfill very disappointing !!!
So good this reporting! You just get better and better with your reporting on China Cycling.... Joe!! Thank you for being so completely on point with your coverage.
Thanks again!
Disappointing. Missing the report of the bike on the thumbnail. 😂😂
Your concerns with the excessive forces created by the SRam Transmission system i do not agree. Maybe another youtuber can lift this concerns for you soon.
Lots of new cool bike stuff but that guy on the ladder was number one.
Do you have the link to the Giant TCR kit to hide the wires?
2 things 1) ladder guy 2) trigon bike
Where is Bridgestone bikes booth ?😢
Hope you’ll still be there this Saturday
Thanks for the nice feature!! (Sorry we're late to the party. 🤧
3:06 you're welcome
Stijn Cycles is pronounced like a stain ... or Kurt Cobain ... it is a Flemish name and given the Flemish Lion in their logo, I am assuming that is where the name comes from, and why it shoud be pronounced as such.
Yes... If you check my 2024 video, I have met the man himself, can now pronounce his name and I own one of his bikes! What a year it's been...
@@ChinaCycling Yes, I saw that video a couple hours after my comment. Also got in contact with Stijn (he is indeed Flemish). THANK YOU Joe for all your work. I am SUPER exited about your ambition to make PP into a place where we can customize and get the bike we want.
You are always welcome to ride bikes with me anywhere in the world I travel (60 countries and counting). I will take care of you.
Next year ima go with you
Hells yeah!
60fps?
Can anyone tell me the brand name of the coloured flower jerseys? I can't understand it in the video
Bikebaju
I like Ladder Man 🪜
The true legend.
Oh man that is a lot of speculation about the projected issues with srams new udh, universal derailleur hanger. I dont know much about it at all, so I watched a quick video about the installation, and I've heard the podcast worldwide cyclery did where they cover it. It seems like the axle slides through the dropouts and hanger, providing rigidity to the entire system, allowing for that shift under load. Wouldnt the axle take most of the forces in a crash? Idk im gonna guess this was tested for 4+ years before it was brought to market. Its episode 109 of MTB Podcast in case you think we're all retarded and wrong.
Any word on the Packgo ex and TT availability in the US? cant find anything online other than the original packgo x which appears to be out of stock everywhere
Get the bloke walking around on the step ladder .😂
Saludos de 🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽
Excellent! TY!
You really know your stuff mate 👍
One of the jerseys looks like ur logo
They're on to me
China Cycling has picked a side. He has chosen PeakTorque. SRAM are readying their assassin's as we speak.
To he honest, all their publicity regarding the new groupo has been cringey. I'll stick with traditional derailleur hangars thanks.
That miniVelo was pretty cool.
I was trying to talk under my breath on their booth, but because of the blarring music couldn't be too quiet... was a little awkward.
@@ChinaCycling Lol, they know the flak they'll get if the product fails, worse, they could end up having to do a recall. They should have thicker skin. You have every right to question it.
I think what SRAM has done is brilliant. You are using logic from the days of QR technology. Now the axle is integral with the mech. The forces won’t just be hung on a lever through the frame. They will transmit directly to the axel which has a massively resisting moment. Same thing with the tollerancing. If the dropout wasn’t machined perpendicular to the wheel, the through axle wouldn’t be able to thread into the dropout. And even if it was out of tolerance the trough axel would bring it back in once you tighten the threads.
Shimano introduced the very same concept 20 years ago with the Saint M800 group, but it didn't take off.
If the mech gets hit, the mech will try to "twist" the dropout, and the thru-axle will resist. That's gonna be putting some nasty forces through carbon dropouts tho...
@@ChinaCyclingit’s the same resisting force that is going through the axle….. The same thing that is supporting the wheel….. the wheel that gets hurled through the air with a 200lb rider on top. It’s genius if you ask me.
@@ChinaCycling The dropouts should be designed to resist the moment produced by the wheel. Not only is the moment arm of the wheel twice as long, the forces of roosting a berm should be 10x that you could ever produce by impacting the derailleur. That's the brilliance of what they've done here. No one has stopped to rethink this whole system since the death of quick release levers.
The SRAM derailleur has the rear axle running through it. If the frame dropouts are off a bit, shifting WILL NOT be effected.
Thx for the video
Even with a standard hanger, if they're out of line, you just straighten the hanger relative to the wheel. While less of a problem now, imperfect hangers out of the box was extremely common for rim brake bikes, even many expensive ones.
SRAM will no doubt be requesting manufacturers who use their direct mounted derailleur to ensure the frame is designed for it....I think all the negativity about it is silly....the new mounting is much stronger and will give better shifts and reliability.