8:53 we are proud to introduce the new UNIVERSAL derailleur hanger!!!! Wooooooo just one thing, it only works on our universal list of compatible bike frames
Thanks Shane. Looks like a mega sized smorgasbord of cycling interests catered for. It'll be a challenge to cover everything in a deep dive. Look forward to seeing to seeing what you consider is worth zeroing in on in subsequent report. Great presentation. Well done
Nicely done as usual. Looking forward to the next videos. Somethings I would be interested in: pinion gearbox, belt drives, cargo and/or commuter bikes... CHEERS!
Always good stuff Shane, appreciate the time you put in to be there. I've released a review on the Bryton Gardia Radar yesterday. I've had very good results with the latest firmware but haven't had a chance to do a ton of miles on it. Super excited about the L-Twoo stuff.
Hambini got some of the details. Apparently the efficiency they're quoting of 99% is at 110rpm and like 30W. So very low torque, likely much less efficiency at real world numbers
@@galenkehler Thanks. Yes, I did see Hambini's analysis earlier. Indeed, quoting efficiency losses at very low torque or force is silly, as friction loss would increase with greater force going through the gears.
Thanks Shane for the quick upload, top work. Will be there next year! Classified's efficiency claims, when in the 0.7 ratio, are only tested at 45W on their rig. Why didn't they test at 250w? We shall see!
8:00 finally, you're the first person to film the ltwurd derailleur from this angle while actuating it. I've been asking these YT reviewers to show us the parallelogram in action. Did you notice where the jockey wheels where pointing? I have an A(x)12 ltwoo 12s mechanical rear derailleur, it uses the newest SRAM "technology" where the jockey wheels point towards the chain rings no matter what gear you're in. 1)Why did they not use this for the electronic set 2) why is the one you filmed aiming at the BB constantly?
I'd love for you to get your hands on the L-TWOO electronic groupset and put it through it's paces. Having some competition to SRAM and Shimano in the market is desperately needed.
Still amazed to see companies still trying to make new indoor cycling trainers. Surely the market is saturated now to the point of decline of new sales?
I would worry to have the expensive part under the spd powermeter pedal - hitting a rock would be a disaster 😞 were you still in the same show at 16:00 ? Looked like plug&play to me.
Minoura! There's a brand name from the past I'm familiar with. But can't quite remember what for though? I keep thinking forks but that was/is Marzocchi I'm sure. Maybe it was MTB brakes?
Taipei has great cycling infrastructure for sports and leisure cycling through all the river parks. Not to mention the many quiet and steep mountain roads. Infrastructure for commuting inside the city is not great, that's true.
Great video, as per usual. But couldn't help noticing that the bike with the Classified hub had two chainrings,🤔 I thought the idea of a Classified hub was to negate the use of a second chainring and front mech.
But really hard it's really only a couple of extra tests that many help.ets would now easy pass. There is cost and red tape which some manufacturers might think is a pita for what is a small market by international standard
^ Correct. To legally use a helmet in AU it needs the tick of approval from AU/NZS standards. Getting that tick (and sticker) is expensive for manufacturers.
Are you going to be tinkering with L-Twoo and/or Sensei in the near future? Maybe once the first iteration of the electronic shifters have had some issues ironed out? Their feedback loop and development cycle seems pretty agile.
@@gplama I remember cycling when everyone used Campag and Shimano were better known for fishing reels. If Shimano rest on their laurels, or continue to make weird decisions like they have recently with e.g. 105 mechanical then others will make inroads. SRAM were new kids on the block not so long ago. Were already seeing frame producers like Elves & Trigon starting to become mainstream. Interesting times.
Pedotech? Because Pedaltech is too obvious? 🤨 Guys at Pinkbike claim the new SRAM drivetrain is the best shifting train ever. Any news around gearboxes?
I've been gravitating towards the Classified 'gear box'.... if you could call it that. I really want to get some hands-on with it and see how it performs away from the show floor.
Not sure why there were so many generic smart trainers. None of them seemed to make any innovation, rather just try to jump on the bandwagon. By contrast, it’s interesting that there were no smart bikes. An affordable, good quality smart bike can sell like crazy given that there are only a few options on the market and they cost around 4000€ mark.
Covid. I'd say the companies scrambled to meet demand 2-3 years ago. Trainers are small(ish) and seem like a good idea at the early stages of development. They're really hard to get right. Smart bikes are very bulky and also hard to get right. I don't think we'll see much fo the the trainer brands we saw in Taipei.
It's kinda disappointing that we still use derailleurs ( an idea that has been around over one hundred years now !!! ) In many respects an inferior design where the shifting mechanism is exposed to potential damage To me no matter how much they dress up the design they are still a pain in the ass mechanism that easily fail and need constant adjustment compared to say gear change system in motorcycles etc
The dry humor was spot on haha
Oh man, I’m sure there’s quite a few unfortunately named brands around, but Pedotec has to be the „winner“ in this category…
8:53 we are proud to introduce the new UNIVERSAL derailleur hanger!!!! Wooooooo just one thing, it only works on our universal list of compatible bike frames
The post credits scene... "butt wait, there's more!" 🤣
Thanks Shane. Looks like a mega sized smorgasbord of cycling interests catered for. It'll be a challenge to cover everything in a deep dive. Look forward to seeing to seeing what you consider is worth zeroing in on in subsequent report. Great presentation. Well done
Thanks, Shane, for reporting from this trade show, always fun to get a glimpse of new goodies. 🙂
Great video, thanks for sharing.
really interesting stuff, thanks for the video shane! appreciate the funny bits 😂
Great video, Shane! Appreciate the coverage of the smaller name brands.
Nicely done as usual. Looking forward to the next videos. Somethings I would be interested in: pinion gearbox, belt drives, cargo and/or commuter bikes... CHEERS!
Always good stuff Shane, appreciate the time you put in to be there. I've released a review on the Bryton Gardia Radar yesterday. I've had very good results with the latest firmware but haven't had a chance to do a ton of miles on it. Super excited about the L-Twoo stuff.
I gather that Richmond e-road bike has the motor in the rear hub leaving the bottom bracket area nice and clean?
nice one Shane!great stuff! Gravel frames from Carbonda, and any interesting powermeters and trainers from Asian manufacturers
You stepped into the Manoura 😆. I love Ride24 tubes, smoother rolling than latex
Shane, the cycling world needs for you to perform a real test of the Classified Hub. What is the real friction/resistance power loss?
That’s the question I’d love to know the answer to! I’m on the case.
Hambini got some of the details. Apparently the efficiency they're quoting of 99% is at 110rpm and like 30W. So very low torque, likely much less efficiency at real world numbers
@@galenkehler Thanks. Yes, I did see Hambini's analysis earlier. Indeed, quoting efficiency losses at very low torque or force is silly, as friction loss would increase with greater force going through the gears.
Thanks Shane for the quick upload, top work. Will be there next year! Classified's efficiency claims, when in the 0.7 ratio, are only tested at 45W on their rig. Why didn't they test at 250w? We shall see!
45W!? That's an FTP for ants! 🐜 😉
@@gplama Currently higher than mine but yeh its low...
That post-credit scene cracked me up.
8:00 finally, you're the first person to film the ltwurd derailleur from this angle while actuating it.
I've been asking these YT reviewers to show us the parallelogram in action. Did you notice where the jockey wheels where pointing? I have an A(x)12 ltwoo 12s mechanical rear derailleur, it uses the newest SRAM "technology" where the jockey wheels point towards the chain rings no matter what gear you're in. 1)Why did they not use this for the electronic set 2) why is the one you filmed aiming at the BB constantly?
Strange personal devices at the very end😂
they safety gear ... you mount them to your seat tube and they prevent you from falling off! 😁
@@yamatoSVK bigger is safer 😂😂
Thanks Shane! Great info on the weird and wonderful 🤔. Do you have any more info, company name, on those quick-release thru-axles?
Here's their promo video: th-cam.com/video/49BGmPasl70/w-d-xo.html
Would love to know more about those power meter pedals.
You want to become a pedo-guy? 😄
those win space wheels look like they had the carbon spokes tied, a bit like the tied and soldered metal spokes of old
I'd love for you to get your hands on the L-TWOO electronic groupset and put it through it's paces. Having some competition to SRAM and Shimano in the market is desperately needed.
Plenty of other cycling TH-camrs have already done this, we really don’t need another
Shimano are dead, long live the king 😂
from what I've seen on other channels it doesn't look well made
@@johnnyloco11 but 600 usd compare to 2000$ it was big problem. And they are same 12 speed, hydrolytic brake too.
@@TieuBachBach you get what you pay for. China junk
Could you provide a glimpse of any new electronic pumps (ie Fumpa Pump style) that can be carried with you when riding.
I found one today!
Fantastic. Any chance in the future you'll do a test of the L Twoo electronic groupset?
Not sure. It looks interesting. I’ll let others deal with the debug/early issues first. 😉
Hi, maybe a close look at the Winspace T1550 new frameset
Still amazed to see companies still trying to make new indoor cycling trainers. Surely the market is saturated now to the point of decline of new sales?
I suspect these are the result of planning/manufacturing a few years back when indoor was booming.
Gotta leave the sticker on the FD so they can still box and sell as new😅
"Or shank someone like that..."😂
I would worry to have the expensive part under the spd powermeter pedal - hitting a rock would be a disaster 😞 were you still in the same show at 16:00 ? Looked like plug&play to me.
Rim brake stuff!
Minoura! There's a brand name from the past I'm familiar with. But can't quite remember what for though? I keep thinking forks but that was/is Marzocchi I'm sure. Maybe it was MTB brakes?
I know they made roller trainers and wheel truing stands.
welcome to Taiwan
would love to see all these tools and accessories
There's 1000s of them here! So many tools!
Hope you had a lovely time in lovely Taipei! Sad that the city and country doesn't have better cycling infrastructure... also hot and humid :-)
Taipei has great cycling infrastructure for sports and leisure cycling through all the river parks. Not to mention the many quiet and steep mountain roads. Infrastructure for commuting inside the city is not great, that's true.
@@Membrillo81 sadly did not have the opportunity to venture out of the city many times but hoping to come back some day!
Great video, as per usual. But couldn't help noticing that the bike with the Classified hub had two chainrings,🤔 I thought the idea of a Classified hub was to negate the use of a second chainring and front mech.
Well spotted! It doesn’t have a front derailleur.
Cheers Lama, how long does this show run? I’ll be in Taipei in a couple weeks.
It was only a few days. March 22-25 this year.
why's it difficult test helmets in Australia?
But really hard it's really only a couple of extra tests that many help.ets would now easy pass. There is cost and red tape which some manufacturers might think is a pita for what is a small market by international standard
^ Correct. To legally use a helmet in AU it needs the tick of approval from AU/NZS standards. Getting that tick (and sticker) is expensive for manufacturers.
Are you going to be tinkering with L-Twoo and/or Sensei in the near future? Maybe once the first iteration of the electronic shifters have had some issues ironed out? Their feedback loop and development cycle seems pretty agile.
I’m interested in what they’re producing. I think I’ll hold out on spending any time being an early adopter for groupsets.
@@gplama I remember cycling when everyone used Campag and Shimano were better known for fishing reels. If Shimano rest on their laurels, or continue to make weird decisions like they have recently with e.g. 105 mechanical then others will make inroads. SRAM were new kids on the block not so long ago. Were already seeing frame producers like Elves & Trigon starting to become mainstream. Interesting times.
Cadex TT spaceship =
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Hi Shane, Do we have cycling shows in Australia? (I've just started cycling) Cheers
Nothing like this. There are smaller shows such as the Handmade Bike Show in Melbourne. That’s worth attending if you’re in Melbourne.
@@gplama Thanks Shane. Much appreciated.
Did you see any polygon road bikes ?
Not that I recall, but there was a lot there that I missed.
Are you doing a meet-up?
I’m here for the B2B, so that’s not on the cards. Although I’m meeting a lot of people who watch the channel here just walking around. 👌🏼
da bomb brand wouldn't be the one you're saying with the check-in counter at the airport.
Pedotec rotfl - In my day it was just a dirty old van with blacked out windows and some candy.
Man there is alot of stuff that is very close to counterfeit.
Hey, don’t talk about Shimano that way. 😉
AFP and Asio analysts just did a neck snapping head twist when they heard ‘PEDOtech’…
"Stack Height - into next week 🤣"
Too bad they don't make chrome bling out cranksets anymore like back in the old days
Pedotech? Because Pedaltech is too obvious? 🤨
Guys at Pinkbike claim the new SRAM drivetrain is the best shifting train ever.
Any news around gearboxes?
I've been gravitating towards the Classified 'gear box'.... if you could call it that. I really want to get some hands-on with it and see how it performs away from the show floor.
HAHA @ 16min
Guess what color the "Red Rainbow" is going to be after a couple of rides.
Black rainbow! With a waxed setup the colours hang around.
@@gplama waxing chains is the way to go
Pedotec!! Wtf.... Does no one check?! I bet they will have zero issues with trademark...
6:15 bryton gardia looks promising
Not if you watch DC Rainmaker’s video review
We cannot underestimate the forward propulsion of pedos (farts in Spanish). You should run some testing.
Not sure why there were so many generic smart trainers. None of them seemed to make any innovation, rather just try to jump on the bandwagon. By contrast, it’s interesting that there were no smart bikes. An affordable, good quality smart bike can sell like crazy given that there are only a few options on the market and they cost around 4000€ mark.
Covid. I'd say the companies scrambled to meet demand 2-3 years ago. Trainers are small(ish) and seem like a good idea at the early stages of development. They're really hard to get right. Smart bikes are very bulky and also hard to get right. I don't think we'll see much fo the the trainer brands we saw in Taipei.
It's kinda disappointing that we still use derailleurs ( an idea that has been around over one hundred years now !!! ) In many respects an inferior design where the shifting mechanism is exposed to potential damage To me no matter how much they dress up the design they are still a pain in the ass mechanism that easily fail and need constant adjustment compared to say gear change system in motorcycles etc
95% rip-off junk on show there. The Giant bike fit looks good though
So much junk!
"Done and dusted"? Are you a Sci Man Dan follower? He says that line a lot.