Game of Thrones | High Sparrow | Episode Revisited (Sn5Ep3)
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- Game of Thrones | High Sparrow | Episode Revisited (Sn5Ep3)
Aaron & Beau review the third episode from the fifth season of Game of Thrones!
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@ 4:54 : _"Margery's just planting her seeds"_
*_"Tommen was too..."_*
I can't believe Monkey didn't pick up on this!
Okay first of all, proper respect to Beau for the timing of this excellent drop #applause#
But this reminds me of a question I've been wondering about of the general culture of sex in Westeros, particular when it comes to brothels. Obviously we're still a wee bit of time away from the invention of condoms. And so, do you think the concept of "pulling out" is there and pervasive thru Westerosi culture? Idk, especially with how this was a WAY out of balance patriarchal society, a big part of me thinks pulling out is likely not a big thing, a common male attitude would be "alright she's just a whore anyway, I'm paying my well earned gold to get laid, it's going to be as great as I can possibly make it, including that I'm firing the rocket from inside". And yet, trying to follow that to its logical conclusion, you'd think a preggo whore with a bastard inside her is quite common, but... no, there's no way in hell so many women would so easily just put themselves on the shelf for several months of not being able to make any money.
@@kevinw712 Two words: _Moon Tea_ !
I can’t believe no one has yet to mention the fact that in the books when Tyrion spots Jorah in the brothel he has a prostitute on his lap that is basically Dany’s double 😂😂
Ashley Tupper Wtf😂
I mean.....I don’t blame him....
Natalie Dormer was very underappreciated in the show. Would have loved to have seen more of her, Margaery would have done alright as queen
On what planet was Ms Dormer "underappreciated" on this show?
How was she underappreciated?? She was well loved, pretty well developed, had plenty of screen time. The writers should have kept her around longer.
@@Kaycity44 Dormer asked to be released from her contract and killed off in Season 5 because she wanted to pursue other opportunities, but agreed to stick around until Season 6 for the story to play out like D&D planned, so we ultimately got more of her than even she initially wanted to give.
Well, on one hand she was almost perfect for the role and I'm glad she was cast and we got her brilliant acting. On the other hand, don't sign on if you aren't willing to let the writers give your character a full story arc.
I'm glad she stayed. But I feel in the books she'll have a more significant role. She already does. How would Cersei kill her with her whole family behind her, her father on the council and her father's army in the city. But Cersei is that stupid and reckless.
anybody here not watching any teasers or trailers just to experience the last season 100% unspoiled, but still watching nerd soup just to stay hyped? :D
I agree 💯 I've quit smoking recently and that was much easier I just don't have the willpower to do this
im going strong for now, but when the trailer drops..and the whole world talking about it, .... go help me.. :D
@Dave Robb yea, exactly, too many spoilers last season.. some time after last season i stopped following all GOT related sites on FB, and every time I see something GOT related on youtube a select that im not interested, not gonna watch anything related to season 8 after its over.. :D not even nersoup previews....
Yep...haven’t watched anything on season 8.
Dodging like it’s the plague.
I always thought that Jon's refusal to go to Winterfell parallels Dany's refusal to go to Westeros. They both were choosing between duty and glory and in the end chose duty.
Why does Arya do a lot of sweeping. To teach discipline. It's the same thing Jeor Mormont told Jon, "Do you want to lead someday? Then learn how to follow",
But THAT choice always seemed to crack me up. "Go sweep up"... yes, sweep that floor that never really actually seems to have much dirt on it anyway lol (and no, NOT *because* it's constantly being sweeped!! :p
Made perfect sense that, after some initial resistance, at this point Sansa capitulated to Little Finger. She would have known she was outclassed, and she saw Baelish push her aunt out the moon door. And her strategy with manipulative, dangerous adults in King's Landing was to play along while she watched and learned, and survived.
Tommen should have travelled to casterly rock to see his mother's birthplace, with the entire court (how past targaryens would have traveling court to see their people) Then when the time came to leave he would just command Cersei to stay in front of everyone.
Am I the only one who thinks the High Sparrow is a way better villain than Ramsay? We all know what Ramsay is and we know no matter what, he wants control and to hurt people. But with the High Sparrow his power is subtle and yet can expend throughout the entire city of KL. I never understood his motives and exactly what he planned to do with the kingdom when it was finally in his pocket. His mind alone has built an army and the respect of the people to overthrow the royals.
Agreed. I actually don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility his motivation was simply to please the Gods. As he tells Olenna on the show "I imagine this is strange for you. Every person you meet has an ulterior motive and you prize yourself on sniffing it out but I'm telling you a simple truth".
But I completely agree the High Sparrow was a more complex interesting villain tha Ramsay. The High Sparrow actually wins the game of thrones when you think about it. However brief he does end up as ruler of Westeros. Plus when you think about the Sparrows punishing people. These are for things that by their own law should be punished. He's only holding the powerful people accountable.
@Australiantatious I disagree. Religion is inherently grey. For "every giving away your shoes to someone who needs them more" there's a "mutilating Ser Loras just because of who he fancies". That's much more grey than simply wanting revenge for being mistreated.
That one scene with Arya thinking about throwing needle away gets me every single time - “Needle was Jon Snow’s smile” ...
I hear the same thing in my head while watching the scene. Beautiful.
My favorite part of the Janos scene is that it uses the same music as Robb executing Karstark, or a least a similar theme. It's nice to see that parallel to his brother at this point.
Littlefinger's pitch makes sense if you look at it from an "Iceberg Slim" perspective. What he just did was sweet-talked her the way a pimp does his girl. It may not make sense if you're standing from the outside, but if you're a young girl who has had a rough life of being abused and terrorized, a pimp like Littlefinger will latch on to your need for guidance and exploit the shit out of it. Littlefinger just sold Sansa wolf tickets to a hero's journey. I guarantee he's said similar shit to dozens if not hundreds of girls like Ros for example.
Sansa is thinking that this man "loved" her mom, is practically family, has saved her life twice, hasn't threatened her or raped her, and he's clearly connected and very smart. She's thinking to herself, "I hate this, but right now I trust him just enough to tolerate this shit and let whatever his plan is to play out".
It's a classic example of how victims who are starved of any sort of safety and affection will latch on to the closest source even if its toxic and dangerous.
@@IvoryValentine22 Indeed. I'm game for strong criticisms about plotting and character consistency issues w/ regards to Sansa and Littlefinger in Season 7, but I think what happened here in S5 largely makes sense for both the plot and the characters moving it along, even when it leads to some deeply unpleasant developments.
@@vincentdawn9689 It also just makes sense psychologically, the kind of abuse she suffers is well documented and its side effects are well understood. The way she exhibits her emotions even many of her decisions are consistent with how trauma survivors act in the real world, it's something George has done a really excellent job portraying.
i can understand why sansa went along with it. but why the hell did littlefinger do it? he doesnt know anything about ramsay? but sure take her, maybe kill her who cares.
@@TheEnecca He does it b/c his plan is to do almost exactly what he does in Season 6, but at the time he made this plan, he didn't foresee the crazy abuse or Sansa having to escape, or Jon Snow coming down off the Wall to pick up where Stannis left off. The plan was to let Stannis and the Boltons fuck each other up and then swoop in to pick off the leavings w/ Sansa already waiting for him in her ancestral home. Best plan ever? No, but I understand the logic even if the risk is pretty substantial. As far as him not knowing about Ramsay? Sometimes you get bad intelligence or intelligence is sparse. If 21st century intelligence communities aren't without fault, what are we to expect of ersatz medieval ones?
Oh, and just to add to my comment about Sansa's choice: she has none. She's 14-15, being hunted for her life across a continent and he's the adult.
Nothing makes Stannis harder than justice being dispensed
Or the proper use of "fewer"
Stannis Baratheon can't shave with a razor blade because the only thing tough enough to cut Stannis Baratheon's facial hair is Stannis Baratheon.
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I've come around on how great a character Cersei is. She knows the most important rule about the game of thrones. You never win, you just delay losing.
Who the hell are the 5 people that gave this a thumbs down???? Shame. Shame. Shame.
Killing kings? Correcting improper grammar? But you might be right
"They're like the Chuck E Cheese of brothels"😂
It's a shame we never learned more about the High Sparrow. He was definitely lying and playing his own game. One minute he has bare feet because he gave his shoes away, the next he just left home without bothering to pick them up...like which was it? The whole point of him giving two different reasons for having bare feet was to show that he was probably not motivated by religion and feeding the poor and stuff. I wonder if they just decided it would take too much time to explore. Or maybe it's just enough to know that real people always have selfish motives
I actually think we understand a lot of his motivation from his chat with Olenna. Olenna is offering him the usual trapping a man wants. Gold, fame and women but he rejects it:
"I imagine this is strange for you. Everyone you meet has a hidden motive, and you pride yourself on seeking it out. But I’m telling you a simple truth. I serve the Gods"
That's when Olenna gets the real truth from him. When she suggests to him half of the people of King Landings are sinners, but he's choosing to make an example of her grandchildren and threatens him, he replies with:
"You are the few. We are the many. And when the many stop fearing the few…”
She's smart enough to realise what he really wants. The complete destruction of the existing order. He doesn't deny Olenna's claim that half the city are sinners, he admits it.
I am reading the books and just yesterday I read this part when Cersei meats the High sparrow, and the moment when she agrees to have the faith armed, and she thinks something like "not even Tywin would do it so well" and I just screamed "YOU FOOL! HE PLAYED YOU SO EASILY!!!" She just saw minutes before how many of them are there... And Qyburn has been informing her about their numbers, she was just too blind to realise the significance of the information...
2:23 I love Aaron so much.
Me: *Rickon*?
Beau: *DICKON* ...
Me: *Ahahahaahahahha* 😂😂
If I had Maraery for the night, I'd be going for the record too
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In the books, the whole reason that Cersei chose the High Sparrow was because after the first High Septon was ripped apart by the mobs, Tyrion appointed this High Septon, and Cersei didn’t trust his motives, thinking he was Tyrion’s spy. Also, was the Red Priestess giving the strange look to Tyrion or Varys? They all seem to know about his mutilation and what the voice in the flame said.
He very loyal to those who pay him. That should not be underestimated.
I love i the books Cersei is always so proud of her decision like o if Tywin could see me now, meanwhile the entire time shes making like the worst decisions. I love the moment she taken by the sparrows and realizes how useless everyone around her is.(besides Qyburn)
-"It's not a long reign>."
-"It's a drizzle."
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Nerd soup still going strong until season 8
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Australiantatious been thinking about that the last few days lol
Not one outburst about the New York Jets the entire video. Rats.
'Pulling a Dickon.' I give this episode of Nerd Soup a 10 out of 10
Winds of Winter is never going to come out.
This discussion perfectly encapsulates why I think the Sansa hate is so dirty. When people get shit in this show it's mainly their own karma coming back to them Sansa (and to a lesser extent Arya) is one of the only characters where the horrid stuff that happens to her is because she's used by other people. Like her character don't like her character, fine, but it is such a glaring example of how quickly people are to jump to blame the victim if their not 1000% perfect and redeemable, something basically nobody is.
Can I just say how excited I get when I see a revisited episode on nerd soup there is no other series on TH-cam that I'll check for daily. Suckalamink
Janos Slynts death if my favourite feel good scene of Thrones.
@Metsarebuff 22 it's rare when cunts get what's coming to them. It's why I like it.
5 more episodes until Hardhome!
Rileycord 12 7 more episodes until bad pussy!
At this point in AFFC the Cersei chapters are pretty good and I think it's because of how George created an awkward atmosphere. Cersei has no friends and is constantly walking around antagonizing everyone in the castle and doing weird shit to try and undermine her enemies like burning the tower of the hand and thinking everyone is out to get her
yeah i loved her chapters. its so obvious how crazy she is and thats makes her thoughts so much more entertaining.
Plus the fact she kinds of blames Tyrion for everything bad that happens.
In Dance when Kevan tells her Myrcella has been attacked by Gerold Dayne, she instantly assumes Tyrion is behind it with absolutely no evidence. Even Kevan criticizes her for seeing Tyrion in every shadow.
Can you guys make a video explaining what Littlefinger's plan is in the books and why it made you think he has a respectable shot at winning the iron throne?
also - I'm a Queens native and it makes me happy every time you guys show NY love/shout out a Hov line lol.
It's because Sansa/Alaine has become extremely desirable bride in the Vale (even though she his thought as a bastard), she is very beautiful and her body form foreshadows that she can bear many children (I guess she looks like a 13 yr old version of Christina Hendricks or something, or simply like Sophie Turner), plus she acts like a proper high born maiden, an she is super religious (she is always going to the sept). Everybody in thhe Vale is charmed by her.
Also LF has currently the control of the Vale, he killed the crazy aunt, and he is slowly poisoning a very week Robert Arryn. So once the son dies (which is very soon), the Vale will go to one of John Arryn's nephews (one of his Sisters' sons or something). And that nephew has already demonstrated interest to betroth Sansa/Alaine. And I guess once they marry she will return to her natural color and reveal herself as a Stark, making Winterfell (and the whole North hers). Bran and the baby brother are believed dead and Jon is out of picture on the wall.
Plus she's the niece of the Riverland's Lord (I know the Freys are currently in "control", but the other riverland lords are still loyal to the Tullys and the Starks, plus the Blackfish is still alive)
Re. Bird conspiracies......I have one too! I think that unless birds are killed by animals or fly into windows, then they’re immortal!! Think about it......how often do you see a bird just drop down dead from the sky? Never! How often do you see a bird that’s just dead and not ripped apart? NEVER!!!!
"Humble bragging". Yes guys that's explains his role perfectly. That's why he was unapologetically spitting at the royals' perceptions and mindsets during every conversation
My favorite GOT meme is where sansa undermines Jon infront of the Northern Lords and Jons Says “Davos Fetch my Sword”😂
I think the idea the showrunners had regarding Littlefinger and Ramsay was that Ramsay was beneath notice. I think in the show he even expresses disdain for Ramsay because he is a bastard. Basically, Littlefinger considers bastards as worthless, which really doesn't match up with his character.
I never understand why everyone thinks the high sparrow is a villian. He plays the game and plays it so very well, as lady olenna points out later. He is making life hell for the lannisters and for me, that means he ain't too bad.
These guys are a joy to listen to, very calming voices and hilarious opinions and great observations.. love it
I really like your guys' videos! I put them on in the background when I draw and they're very comforting!
I literally just finished watching the last video. I've been rewatching each episode and then re watching the show! Love these videos!
people hate the high sparrow but hope for the ending being democracy and breaking the wheel.....
I noticed this too. The Sparrows have done more to break the wheel than anyone else we've seen.
Is it even established in Westerosi history that royals that can be put on trial? I mean all legal authority derives from the king. That is before the High Sparrow came along and treated the Royal family the same way any common criminal would be treated.
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Awesome! I’m snowed in so this is a great way to spend a bit of it
Upstate NY
I was just thinking about how badly I wanted y'all to upload the next vid. Thank you for killing boredom in this snowstorm!!
High Sparrow, when feeding the homeless: "Guys, can you please just BACK UP!!??"
I literally just went to re-watch last weeks episode so amazing timing
wake me up when you guys get to Hardhome
I wanna hear that cling between Longclaw and the White Walker's spear
Book Davos would never serve Jon or anybody but Stannis he is basically a family man who just wants to go home to his wife and kids but feels this obligation that he owes everything to Stannis, and perhaps need to stand as a voice of moderation and counterweight to Melisandre’s fanaticism
Jonathan Pryce just killed it.
Thank u. Nerdsoup. You guys are the best
Yes love this series of re-visiting
"its a perfectly good face" i always forget how funny game of thrones can be
Nerd soup coming with the heat in 2019!
Diet walk of shame!!! Love it!!! Shame light!
35:16 I just realized Jorah was staring too long. 😂
Another banger! Can't wait for Sn5Ep4!!!!!!!
The perfect thing to watch on my lunch break
When Arya is cleaning the bodies. I always thought this was to teach her respect for the dead, AND the human anatomy. How many naked bodies has Arya seen? She needs to be calm around nudity and death. Maybe I am wrong but she only knew where the heart was cos the hound showed her
I never understood why people think throwing verbal sick burns = playing the game of thrones well
Actually it's a great scene between Baelish and Sansa. The problem was what lead next. Sansa should have been a manipulator like Baelish said, "make Ramsey yours". This could have been interesting if for instance she would have turned Ramsey against her father. Maybe seduce both and then turned them. Which would lead to Ramsey killing his dad.
Yeah I see what you mean but I don't think it would have worked with Ramsay, he is a true sociopath and sadist, he is not interested in sex, he likes dominating people with sex. The guy is a true demon, it is hard to have the upper hand. In the books, it seems that only Northerners know of Ramsey's nature, and the knowledge was not shared with the Stark daughters
Yay! Been waiting for this
Hahaha
"Yea, sex is great but have you ever tried exiling your mom back to Casterly Rock?!'
I also have a problem with Cersei "choosing" the High Sparrow" - why the heck wouldn't she foresee a problem with a zealot being put in charge? It's made clear she can't control him. Especially since she's sleeping with her bro. (among others).... The books made it more palatable and believable. She kills the high priest because Tyrion appointed him and she's her usual paranoid self about anything Tyrion. What she doesn't envision is the High Sparrow being his replacement. A consequence unforeseen. This makes more sense and rings truer. Why would she put her family in danger with a zealot in charge? She could have found a more interesting way to exterminate her 8 year old son's wife. And a safer way. Though the wildfire scene is awesome.
Another great one guys! Love y’all! 🦗🐒🍲
Janos talking sh*t. Lost his head. Jon took care of that. Great review as usual.
29:10 “the Jon snow latrine pit, named after Jon Snow”
Fun fact! Kit Harrington’s ancestor, John Harrington, was the inventor of the first flushed toilet. It’s why it’s called ‘the John’.
The Sansa/Ramsay thing wasn't bad. She wasn't the same as she was in Kings landing. Hell, at dinner she blatantly reminded Ramsay that he was no longer Roose's true heir. She never had to go there. She was there of her own free will. Yeah, she shed a few tears on her wedding night...so what? That doesn't mean the character is suddenly weak and naive again. You can be biding your time, waiting for a chance to bring someone down, and still not appreciate being fucked in the ass by them!
The only thing that really spoils it, is the battle of the bastards. If that hadn't happened, then sooner or later, one day, Sansa would have brought down the Boltons. Her chance would have come. As it was, she got to feed Ramsay to the dogs by way of an apology for dangling a promising storyline, then snatching it away.
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Tommen sleeps with Margery, hey that's cool. Baelish kisses Sansa and everybody is like eeewww! lol
It's no GW. Dead. Love you guys.
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Dear teddy...no more screaming into the mic! Lol
9:55. They look like a couple here, and it’s making me wonder why Baelish didn’t just try to marry her himself?
Let the records know. You are Dudes...
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What's Thanos doing in Game of Thrones? 2:04
I think what separates the High Sparrow from Joffrey and Ramsay is that he believes what he is doing is right. Joff and Ramsay do things just to be evil. The Sparrow is doing what he believes is right.
I think the same thing about Melissandre. Even when she's burning people alive, she's not doing it because she gets a kick out of it. They genuinely believe they're doing a good thing.
I think that Littlefinger KNEW who Ramsey was, and what he would do to Sansa... But that Littlefinger wanted that to happen to her because he knew that Robin Arryn was infatuated with her, and knew that he would only commit the forces of the Vale to Winterfell for Sansa. And also, Littlefinger gets to break Sansa down even more as a person and mold her into what HE wants her to be. He wants no part in Sansa being "empowered", he wants her to break, so he can "fix" her, in his image......
I still love Eds look at thorn when he going janos the please make my day
I just watched an episode of Checkpoint Charlie on Vet TV and they also mentioned the birds not being real conspiracy
3:28 Dude, it's nearly midnight, entire house asleep except me and I just busted out laughing loud AF here. You guys are hilarious, but if I hear an agitated knock at my door from a sleepy roommate anytime soon, I blame you.
Your opening but made me think of a Lee Pace quote from the movie The Good Shepered (2006):
“I remember a senator asked me why we don’t put the word THE before CIA when talk about CIA..... I said “Do you put the word The before God?”
I got the impression Litterfinger had the hots for Sansa.
"Who the f is Janos Slynt?"
Perfect
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Cup of joe and nerd soup GOT on a Sunday morning. Let's do this!
Hi, Sparrow!
I feel like such a horrible fan, I didn't know u guys we're from NY 😄 HI! Bx, NY over here 💜
Why cut the Mannis nod! :(
you guys are on fire
Margaery Tyrell vs Cersei Lannister, for King tommen's thrones.
Margery doesn’t play the game well enough... if she had, she would have learned from the Starks, the Tully’s, the Reigns and so on.. don’t poke the lion. She should have made her moves more quietly. I knew they were screwed the moment they tried Cersei. She is really not the one. Lol
King Jaehaerys the first, his probably is spinning in his grave after cersei reviving the faith militants.
Small correction (It is Nerd Soup afterall): Ed Gein made household items and wore his victims body parts (amongst other depravity), the original texas chainsaw massacre was mostly inspired by Gein; Leatherface, of course, wore the face or faces of victims. Jeffrey Dahmer ate and assaulted his young boy victims and had a fridge and home full of body parts (also amongst other dark and gross activities). There is also evidence, or even more evidence I should say, that some of Dahmer's story was embellished, even more embellished than Gein's may or may not have been. It's a tiny thing; mostly I just love your channel and recaps. Also, I am glad that even though the books are incredible and you both have read them and refer to them; you don't front and act like the show isn't absolutely groundbreaking. Keep it up guys. Love all the stuff you are doing, GOT and beyond. The only possible improvement would be to get more people watching, which you can only control by continuing to put out great content.
I'd submit that the Sparrow has more in common with Cersea than he does with Joffery or Ramsey. Cersea is playing a real world game of chess with him. But he obviously doesn't have the charisma (to the viewer) she possess. So, yeah, fuck the sparrow.
It never occured to me that the reason is hanging out their is the brothel theme park (lol) and he's just waiting for the Khalessi hooker to be freed up.
Do we think Tyrion has been celibate since this scene? Cause man, D&D, give him a break.
who is Cersea m8? :D
@@peterbenc1148 One of the main characters in the show. Do you not watch? BTW, who is m8?
Sansa's storyline in season 5 still literally makes no sense. It was just such a misstep that watching your recaps just reminds me of how many times they could've course corrected it but didn't
Did you break down the trailer yet??
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