Dooku was arguably the greatest Form II duelist in galactic history. There were not many that could have beaten him, so this opinion is more than just reasonable from his perspective. Does not mean that other Jedi or Sith couldn't still be highly skilled
yeah he actually made variants for makashi as well, and not to mention its the oldest form besides shiicho in galactic history, innovating something so old is not easy task
Reasonable? No…. Dooku’s Makashi was flawed it made him vulnerable in combat cus it didn’t have the kinetic power to go blow for blow with even non master level Djem So’s users like season 4 clone wars Anakin…. Overalls Dooku is overrated
Unless I'm mistaken, he 'learned' the other forms, but didn't 'learn' the forms. He could identify forms, teach them, and knew their ins-and-outs enough where he knew how to defeat them. It's like learning about another class, but not using it. Having a mastery understanding of it, but not learning to master using it. If that makes sense.
Unitomic completely. You could say he’s sticking with his style, but he’s not just restricted to fighting opponents with similar styles to him by studying and sparring with the different styles of others.
@@judeskater93 Yes, I'm happy I wasn't too confusing. Much of his understanding actually came from sparring against them. He knew how to respond to every technique because he actually sparred (and later fought to the death) each of them. He was intimately familiar with every strike.
“They take on too much. Someone who spent all his time studying a single form could probably best a Battlemaster” “Dabble in all, master of none. My focus remains on Makashi.” - Dooku
GnosisZX true, but that doesn’t mean Dooku was completely helpless. He has knowledge of all the classical lightsaber forms and knows how to counter them. In the ROTS novel, it starts that Dooku knew every weakness of Form IV Ataru after dozens of fencing matches with his Padawan Qui-Gon Jinn. And during their duel on Grevious’ flagship, the Count swept at Anakin’s ankles in order to off balance him because the Djem So variant of Form V lacks mobility
@@darylsdesigns6679 Which is also why what dukoo thought was rubbish in the end because anakin solved this by adding aspects of other forms to counter that very issue
@@GnosisZX Dyral is correct. But Dooku's key was that he focused so exclusively on Makashi that he learned and mastered every imaginable response to everything the other forms could throw. Dooku knew the other forms inside and out (well enough to teach them), and sparred against them so often that he knew exactly how to respond to every bit. In the end, it wasn't the advantage of a form that overtook him, but the ferocity which made each hit that much stronger. Like knowing how to block a punch, then trying to block it from someone who has your body weight just in his arm. Raw power can nullify even a perfect counter.
@@solcorvinus9793 didn't know that, but now that makes perfect sense, fencing blades have a curved handle as well, it just fits better in the hands that way.
Focusing all your skill and knowledge on one Lightsabre style and mastering it can be more formidable than someone switching styles and not fully understanding all the different Lightsabre forms they use fully.
Oh Dooku... Bless the stubborn fool. Yes committed to a single lightsaber form will undoubtedly allow you mastery in your chosen form but it will also allow others to route out the weaknesses to that form. A double assault of Soresu & Djem So for example... 🤔 Thank you again for another fun video topic xx
I think that every individual will develop slight variations on the same form as they advance in their mastery of the form, and that will add enough surprise to negate that (in my opinion).
"Jack of all trades master of none, often times better than master of one" I can see his point, it's something that requires to much training to understand, it's like training every instrument to be the best musitian in the world, what the order should do is initiating the students in all forms and then letting them choose. But learning a different form could also help you understand it better and allow you to counter it
yeah thats why its the student that should be the one to choose to be a mster of a single form or being a jack of all trades, dooku is right on this subject
Ricardo alves a point like that can be a hit or miss depending on the person. Some can learn multiple styles and utilize them to work in their favor, like how anakin did with utilizing form 4s mobility to make up for the lack there of in form 5. However, not everyone is capable of learning that way or if they do learn multiple styles they either can’t or don’t refine it to a point where they can be better than a master of one. Personally I’m up for learning different styles, I’ve dabbled in European fencing and a bit of long sword fighting myself and noticed how some of the stuff I learned in fencing helped with my practice with a long sword, especially when it comes to form and quick counters.
Imagine if Dooku was not only THEE MAKASHI Master but also THEE SORESU master as a Jedi Master And As A Sith he also would be way more scary of a duelist then he already was probably so good that neither Yoda Nor Sidious Nor Anakin could break through his defenses.
"Jack of all trades, master of none." I agree with the philosophy in certain realms of life. Guitar playing is something I've always thought this applied to. Be great at one style or kind of a jackass at 4.
This philosophy could also be applied to pvp videogames with classes. A lot of coaches will tell you to one or two trick instead of dabbling in every class/hero/champion in order to climb the ranks. Because one tricks are able to defeat even supposed counters with their knowledge of the class.
That makes no sense. Bruce Lee adapted his style from wing chun, western boxing, fencing and number of other martial arts. He never believe blocking yourself into rigid systems was a good idea.
I believe in Mastering 1 style vs expertise in 2 styles vs profienecy in 3 is an interesting argument, I personally put forth” Shii-Cho and two complementary forms” for me, Shiicho,Makashi and Djem So
Dooku’s views on lightsaber combat seem to mirror those of Darth Bane, who criticised the Jedi Order for teaching so many fighting styles. In the Book of Sith, Darth Bane refined Sith lightsaber combat into two signature styles: Fast style and Strong style, citing his apprentice as a user of the former and himself being a user of Strong style (Djem So). Here is an abridged excerpt from Bane’s Rule of Two chapter in the Book of Sith: “The Jedi teach six forms of lightsaber combat. This is excessive and a waste of time.” “There are two key forms of lightsaber combat a Sith must master: Strong style and Fast style. The latter emphasises footwork, speed, precision, and acrobatics. With some exceptions - such as the tactics of my own apprentice (Darth Zannah) - Fast style is rarely suited for a Sith. The dark side supplies us with strength, and that strength must be used. Hate makes us powerful.” “Strong style is expressed as djem so - an ancient philosophy that requires you to combine your body weight and your muscular strength with the energising drug of anger so that the execution of your blows will land with enough force to crack armour.” So, even with two key forms for future Sith to learn, he himself prefers only one of them: Strong style. In 2 books out of 3 of the Darth Bane trilogy of novels Bane was a pure Djem So stylist, only once demonstrating use of Soresu (Fast style defence) as a training exercise during a downpour of rain. I don’t recall him ever actually using it in combat. On the following page he talks about Juyo, a third style that he himself deems “exceedingly difficult.” Both Bane and Dooku make use of Dun Moch to supplement their chosen lightsaber form.
While Dooku was no doubt a very proficient duelist, he did lose to Anakin, who dabbled in several fighting forms, and who went on to create a hybrid form comprising elements of all the seven forms as Vader and managed to defeat every Jedi who crossed his path using this hybrid form, with the exception of Luke, so I'd take Dooku's word on this matter with a grain of salt. Sidious and Yoda also learned and mastered all seven forms, and I doubt Dooku would've been a match for them either.
Yoda and Sidious knows all forms but use one primary form. Yoda is probably the greatest Ataru practitioner in Star Wars, Sidious is also probably the greatest Juyo user (but force enhanced so much but not actually the greatest mechanics)
Put Dooku the same age as Anakin, or at least the same age as Windu. Dooku would beat him. ROTS Dooku is past his prime and has very low stamina, yet he still gave beautiful fight.
Choose a topic - Study the topic - Train in the topic- Become a "Master" in the topic as seen by others - Begin to improve the topic itself - Refine the topic improvements even more- Truly stand on your own level in the topic - Continue your work, and strive to improve always even when you stand unmatched by anyone around you in said topic. -How to "Dew it" when it comes to becoming a Master at anything...Even getting caught.
Consider those who had similar style focuses on Dooku: Dooku: Makashi Yoda: Ataru Anakin: Djem So Obi-Wan: Soresu These were known as the finest blade masters the order produced. All because the dedicated themselves to mastering a form rather than becoming "good" at multiple forms. Dooku didn't even worry about his final duel until he realized how proficient both Obi-Wan and Anakin had become in their individual techniques.
I'm getting worried. This is the second, "Dooku is a boomer" video you've made and the second video where I've agreed with him 100%😂 I've practiced Kendo/Kenjutsu for 14+ years. If I were a Jedi/Sith (I'd probably be a Gray Jedi) I'd use a single saber style and focus on one form
Bruce Lee once said “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” Anikan, Obi Wan, Mace, Yoda and Dooku all prove this with their forms. Imagine how much harder Jedi training would be if Padawan tried to master every single form.
He was right. I mean look at some of the best “specialists” we know of; Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader: Djem so specialist, Yoda: Ataru Specialist, Dooku: Makashi specialist, Kenobi: Soresu Specialist, Mace Windu: 7/Vaapad Specialist, Darth Maul: 7/Juyo Specialist, Exar Kun: Niman Specialist, Kit Fisto: Shii Cho Specialist... etc... Every single one of them would wreck any battlemaster in the Jedi Order’s history.. Dooku was right about that statement to an extent. Not just anybody could take on a battlemaster though and the names I just mentioned are probably the best in their chosen form in all of Star Wars. But a specialist avidly skilled in their form could best a battlemaster. I mean Anakin was whompin’ on Cin Drallig with one hand literally behind his back for a time, holding onto another Jedi’s neck/collar.. And when Darth Maul attacked & fought who is assumed to be Drallig’s predecessor; Anoon Bondara, he literally decided it was easier to just blow himself up Kamikaze-style than to continue to fight Maul and try to beat him straight up blade to blade... So again, yeah, Dooku was right.
I don’t like how they say Form II is weak against Form V because of the kinetic attacks of Form V. The Jedi would have an annual lightsaber duel competition. Dooku was ALWAYS one of the best. He was equal to Windu and together, Dooku and Windu were second only to Yoda. In other words, Dooku beat countless Form V users over the years. Anakin wasn’t the only Form V user. Dooku always used finesse to defeat Form V. If you look closely, the “kinetic force” of Form V wasn’t the real reason why Anakin defeated Dooku. Anakin PHYSICALLY GRABBED Dooku’s arms and in a circular swipe, chopped off Dooku’s hands.
Well imho your argument is invalid as the form v users dooku fought were not as skilled at form v as dooku was at form 2. Chances are if you found someone as skilled at form v as dooku was at form 2 the form 5 person would win. Form 3 was weak to form 2, as form 3 relies on your opponent getting tired and attacking you relentlessly while letting their guard down in favour of more offence. This is why obi wan was able to go toe to toe with anakin. Form 2 however was all about not getting tired and precise, lightning attacks at your enemy, and with form 2 the point is you were meant to be able to do this all day. You cant defend forever there will be a gap at some point. Form 2 is weak to form 5 because of form 2s lack of kinetic power and lack of statue like blocks found in form 3. This is why anakin was able to beat dooku, dooku just couldn’t cope with anakin relentless attacks and let his guard down because in simple terms he had had enough. This is why anakin was able to easily grab dooku and chop his hands off. This is why i think a combination of all 3 forms like Vader’s hybrid form would be near unstoppable.
Nearly every time he fought Anakin proves otherwise. The early fights showcased Dooku's superior skill, but his personal skill is what made up for form two, Makashi's, weaknesses. Take the duels between Anakin and Dooku during the clone wars, specifically the first attempt to "kidnap" the chancellor as an important example. Dooku, being older and less physically strong, was becoming more and more exhausted as Anakin fought him. Dooku had to resort to using the objects around him to try and fend him off, and you can see Anakin gaining the upper hand all throughout the fight, until Dooku uses lightning on him to stun him.
I agree with dooku(partially at least)I’ve always preferred Specialization over hybridization. I do believe if you were to take another form or learn one, it should be as a supplement to your main/backbone form. For example, me personally, I would learn Djem So and have knowledge in Soresu(to create a sort of aggressive defensive maneuvers), and maybe Ataru for hand to hand combat training and the inclusion of martial strikes while using a lightsaber.
Despite Dooku mastering Makashi to its peak, he maintained enough competence with the other six forms to supplement his fighting style, and train General Grievous, Asajj Ventress and the Magna-Guards in their use, as well as to better handle the weaknesses of Makashi. His blade mastery was such that only Yoda surpassed him and Mace Windu stood as his equal. By the time the Clone Wars ended, Dooku's skills with a lightsaber had atrophied, as he continued honing his Force abilities (though that wouldn't really matter as he was always outclassed by Yoda and Darth Sidious). Despite this, he remained skilled enough to hold his own for a time against the much-improved Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi aboard the Invisible Hand before eventually getting killed by Anakin.
After trying different styles I'm definitely a form 3 practitioner, but dookuu is right about less being more, and even throw in the dark side user imma give my all to soresu before anything else
Tactics 890 I don’t like how they say Form II is weak against Form V. The Jedi would have an annual lightsaber duel competition. Dooku was always one of the best. Equal to Windu and second to only Yoda. In other words, Dooku beat countless Form V users. Anakin wasn’t the only Form V user. The explanation should just be that the Dark Side gave him a boost in power. If you look closely, “kinetic force” wasn’t used by Anakin. Anakin grabbed Dooku’s arms and in a circular swipe, chopped off Dooku’s hands.
It's weak against blasters (a dominating threat even after the discovery of the Sith). It has flaws in momentum, and so hyper aggressive forms overtake it. That includes Juyo. Djem So and Ataru are good against it, but unless they are used very aggressiveness (while they are offensive forms, they are not overly aggressive forms like Juyo) or empowered by the Dark Side, Makashi can still overtake them through precisely working around the attacks. We saw that in Episode II between Makashi and Shien.
I think mastering one form of lightsaber combat would be smart for a Padawan to complete but they should also be aware of the other lightsaber forms in a decent amount of depth but work to master a primary form. Although I think if they would’ve had all of the Jedi learn form 3 which is the most Jedi of all of the forms being it’s strictly defense but then to learn another one of the forms that has stronger offensive abilities that will match the users personal stature/ability in the force or if they where to “master a single form” it should’ve been form 6 Ni’man but where the padawans master has them work with masters in each of the 7 forms of combat (including windups vapad which was the closest to Sith Juyo) so that any Jedi would be capable at handling nearly any situation given that their opponent(s) aren’t significantly stronger in the force than them but even then they still might be victorious.
Attacked by jedi master & knight defeats both even when facing dual bladed style & cuts off his hand - dooku is a powerhouse. His style was specifically for being a duelist like there you go.
Yet even he learned multiple forms to teach his own students or utilize himself. Dooku knows blast deflection and demonstrated it in an episode of Clone Wars. Form II is not designed for blast deflection, while all Jedi know some Form I which teaches some blast deflection but not like entire forms specializing in it like Forms III and half of Form V. He'd have to known some of the specialized forms in that department to use it as effectively as he did in that episode.
Great vid as always, and this raises an interesting question: What training method would you take? A specialist? A jack of all trades? And which form(s) would you choose?? That question is for everyone here, including Star Wars Reading Club :D Personally I'd take a similar approach to Dooku, but with a more Anakin learning curve. Anakin became a specialist like Dooku using his own Form V, but before that he was excellent at Ataru as well. So in my case I'd go with an Ataru specialization but also master Form 6 so that I could have an intimate knowledge of all other forms, and destroy them with Form 4. Those are just my thoughts, how about the rest of you?
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Focusing on one alone can make one strong. His mastery over form 2 was great and he even held his own against Yoda, but each form has it's own weaknesses. His form could not generate power and Anakin overwhelmed that trait. Makashi also isnt suited to blast deflections, even though that can be overcome. Obi Wan had a hybrid form of Soresu and Ataru, compensating for the weaknesses of each form. You need to be able to overcome your weaknesses. Had Dooku done another form as well he might not have been overwhelmed by Anakins superior strength.
He certainly knew the other forms super well but he just didn't use them. I mean to qualify as one of history's truly great dualists, understanding all forms is essential, no so much so that you can use them, but rather understand them well enough to combat and defeat others whom use those forms. I mean it'd be impossible to actually be one of the greats without understanding at least that much. Windu, Yoda and Sidious also mastered all seven forms, but generally had one form the preferred over others; same goes for Dooku.
Of course, this made Dooku a one-trick pony. This meant that when he was met by two different opponents, using _four_ different styles, he couldn't keep up and lost his head.
If Dooku hates dual wielding, Then WHY did Dooku train Asajj Ventress in double lightsaber wielding? I think you missed that important topic in this video. You should have addressed that.
Asajj became was first trained as a child by an exiled Jedi who she loved dearly but when he was killed by warlords in legends, criminals in canon she took his lightsaber as his own becoming a duel Wielder She self taught herself jar’Kai dual lightsaber combat which was strengthened when she turned to the Dark Side In legends When she met Dooku, he destroyed her Jedi sabers, and gave her his former apprentice Komari Vosa who was a dual Wielder herself Dooku may have preferred Ventress to be a single Wielder and may have taught his style of Makashi toward her, but instead adapted it to her jar Kai style which Master Luminara criticizes I’m falling her an amateur in trying to use Makashi in jar Kai which Dooku may agree but had to make concessions in making Ventress as dangerous as she can be by going with what she comfortable With, as her style did produce results in striking down Jedi
"A jack of all trades is the master of none" This is the Mantra of a fool. Becoming the master of one particular subject may be good in a world that does not change or evolve but that is not how the world Works becoming proficient in a variety of things means that you will never be without. Focusing on one particular thing means that as soon as that thing changes you are completely helpless. a master of an art that is dead is just as useless as one that knows nothing. those who learn and become proficient in a variety of subjects can change and adapt with the times those who do not are stuck and will be unable to change and adapt and thus will ultimately become obsolete. The world is not static nature is not inflexible those who fail to adapt will ultimately be doomed to be left behind.
Mastering an art doesn't mean cutting it's evolution. It should be the opposite. As you master your art, you can achieve new levels of proficiency. Also, when your art reach the "unstoppable" level, it makes no sense to learn another one. Do you like basketball? Think about Kareem Abdul jabbar's skyhook, MJ and Dirk fadeaway and the better example, Steph curry' 3 pointer. Steph took a few people art and become it the most lethal weapon of a generation. So did Kareem and Jordan. What makes Steph special? Well think why they can't do what the other 2 can. Kareem' skyhook is technically the most unstoppable shoot ever, but need a player who can shoot from above the rim. MJ couldn't bit he mastered the fadeaway, Wich needs a coordination and athleticism the others lack. And everyone can shoot a 3, but curry made it his own and brought it to another level because of his weaknesses. And I know those NBA players have other skills to show but all you have to do is applying the same logic to their all-around playing style, Wich would be even closer to a Star wars fighting style
Yes and no. In one sense he's limiting himself through this training method, but Dooku spent countless hours sparring against every other form thus learned how to engage and defeat each one of them using his chosen form. Other practitioners who learned multiple forms became flustered with the clutter of styles they'd learned and became trapped in textbook tactics; they weren't good enough to get really creative with it unless they had extended lifespans like Yoda. Basically Dooku became so good at Form II that he transcended the textbook and innovated an unorthodox bag of tricks that took other fighters to school every time. The results of his performances speak for themselves. I mean, he was virtually even with Yoda. Anakin fucked him up because he also chose to specialize like Dooku. Paired with his innate power, Anakin was the Jedi who finally defeated him.
Depends on a scale. In our world sure but when magic/technology comes into question? Fuck no. Lets say you have a balance of magic skills so you can somewhat defend,buff,heal and harm sure but a master of destruction would just nuke your ass from different continent (lets say intercontinental explosion magic capable of smoldering Australia or some shit like that). Sure i cannot heal my ass myself (but there are potions probably or some newbie mage apprentice in heal magic could be my bitch of an assistant.), buffing,defending would be pointless when i can attack on such a range and i have ALL destruction magic (so not only limited to that nuke.). Besides you go for mastery of one thing and then when you got spare time you learn what you fancy that could add to your main path (so like vader in star wars). "Jack of trading" never seemed like a good idea to me in games and i always was fine. i would elaborate but im sleepy af so yea (sorry for incoherent rambling, hope you get the general idea behind this shit.).
Not so. At least not in the case of martial arts. In a duel the man who masters the rapier typically beats an opponet who trained in multiple weapon types. I know from my own diversified training in rapier and sidesword that neither is as good as they could be if I focused on only one style.
But you could argue this led to its downfall, it was Makashi's weakness which was the lack of kinetic power generation that allowed Anakin to defeat him with Djem So. Also Palpatine was a master of all seven forms and he managed to do pretty well in lightsaber duels. So not sure this philosophy was fool proof. Maybe you didn't need to necessarily master all seven forms, but perhaps only two or three. Look at Obi-Wan, he was a master of both Soresu and Ataru. Perhaps the best duelists mastered two forms that complimented one another''s strengths and weaknesses.
Dooku knew all 7 forms including their weaknesses. Despite his belief of sticking to one form? He still borrowed forms from other lightsaber style's to be well rounded in his approach to combat. You might think he was purely a makashi master, but, he did use niman most of the time in battle. Between flip's and kicks, he borrowed his agility and combat from ataru. Main point, Dooku was a major contradiction too his own beliefs. Without the other forms of lightsaber combat? He wouldn't have created his own style.
Didn't Dooku himself know all the forms, at the very least, to the degree that he could teach them? Also, I remember him using elements of other forms in fights e.g. the Form V opening stance when engaging Anakin on Geonosis and frequent use of the force in combat (Niman).
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@arronnov But was he angry? Nope. Vapad required inner anger and darkness, Dooku didn't turn out of anger, only in an attempt to reform the corrupted Galaxy.
@@CeLeb144 dooku was angry with the jedi order as he blamed them for qui gons death and saw them as hypocrites and was disgusted with what the jedi became and while in the CIS he had a disdain for the alien species. Dookus betrayal was mostly personal as he tried to recruit obi wan because in his words "is like a grandson to me" since he was qui gons apprentice
@@zero5496 He basically utilized the dark side for strength, he was already a powerful Jedi master, but he basically wanted an addition to his strength via the dark side. Whenever Mace Windu utilized vapad he would tap into the dark side without letting it corrupt him, Dooku is basically at the same level of Windu as a Jedi, however, once the addition of the dark side is added, Windu can control it and not fall to it, while Dooku can control it, but not let it alter him too severely, such as his non-sith eyes. Theoretically, Dooku could utilize vapad but it is unlikely considering that Makashi is his primary and he would have no desire to change from the form he chose to master.
Dooku also had a fair bit of aristocratic arrogance that influenced his perception of lightsaber combat and a huge distain for those who had one or more cyber limbs
I understand his reasoning for this but it makes the other forms pointless in that sense...its better to learn & understand more than one form and master in at least one or more but dont ignore other forms.
Dooku actually did know the in an outs of every form, at least we'll enough to teach them to his many students, and did borrow techniques form other forms. Dooku seems to just be arguing against devoting yourself to multiple forms at the same time.
He was mistaken. But I undertand him. Children shouldn't have learn techniques at once. It should be done gradually. There's nothing wrong with learning as much as you can.Multiple lightsaber forms are perfect way. Even Form VI. Dooku is one of the best lightsaber duelists ever but he was mistaken. And a like for necessary.
In theory, I get what Dooku is trying to say, but this is practically impossible ... some forms of lightsaber combat, such as Juyo or Vaapad (form 7) are so complex, diverse and hard to master that in order to master it, one has no other choice but to build up their lightsaber skill with less complex forms of lightsaber combat until they are finally ready and skilled enough to learn the highly complex moves of form 7 for example ... also, Dooku himself started out as Yoda's Padawan pupil, meaning BY DEFAULT he started learning form 1 of lightsaber combat, which all Padawan students BY DEFAULT start out with ... this makes Dooku a Makashi/form 2 SPECIALIST, but NOT A PURIST ... making him pretty much a hypocrite to some degree
Okdarling your wrong Dooku was a master in all forms of Lifghtsaber forms he choose Akashi tho as his preferred form. All. the top tier duelist were masters of all forms but they still chose one over the rest.
@@benjeesilv1596 Maybe so, but bare in mind, all of the greatest jedi have had a base form. Yoda was Form 4, Windu was Form 7, Kit Fisto was Form 1and so on. During the Battle of Geonosis every jedi killed by Dooku's droid army was a Niman-heavy practitioner, including Coleman Trebor who was a master on the jedi council. So if your name isn't Exar Kun, Revan, or General Xendor (who literally invented it and jar'kai) you have no business tinkering with a style as chaotic as Form 6.
I disagree, this is like telling someone to only learn one instrument, bc you’ll be able to be much better than its one, than many, I say practice multiple instruments, to as close to perfection as possible.
*master of forms is master of nothing* 1) Dark Anakin beats Drallig 2)Jedi anakin's djem-so counters Windu's Vaapad in office duel. 3)Kenobi's Soresu held off Vader. 4)Dooku's makashi outmaneuvers Anakin's form which in turn overpowers dooku. 5)Yoda and Sidious knew all forms but it didn't help them against each other very much. *Dooku is correct. Knowing all forms helps but mastering them won't* no wonder mace fought so sloppily in that ROTS Game vs anakin.
I disagree with Dooku's combat philosophy. When Dooku only specialized in one fighting style he became a slave to his form's weaknesses, primarily his inability to deal with power attacks from a form 5 fighter. Dooku had to learn that the hard way with Anakin on their final fight. I also think that the only reason Dooku was so successful as a duelist was because form 2 was so rare, and the jedi at the time weren't used to lightsaber combat as they thought the sith were extinct. I wonder how Dooku would fair in a different time where lightsaber combat was the norm
Dooku was arguably the greatest Form II duelist in galactic history. There were not many that could have beaten him, so this opinion is more than just reasonable from his perspective. Does not mean that other Jedi or Sith couldn't still be highly skilled
ImperialistOpinions he lived in a time where Jedi rarely faced lightsaber-wielding enemies, which gave Dooku an additional advantage
I mean who is is rival in the form 2?
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yeah he actually made variants for makashi as well, and not to mention its the oldest form besides shiicho in galactic history, innovating something so old is not easy task
Reasonable? No…. Dooku’s Makashi was flawed it made him vulnerable in combat cus it didn’t have the kinetic power to go blow for blow with even non master level Djem So’s users like season 4 clone wars Anakin…. Overalls Dooku is overrated
Form 2 is *the* most elegant form of lightsaber combat!
What about Djem-so?
Form 3 (Soresu) is *THE* most civilized form of lightsaber combat!
That's the most demanding of the forms.
Unless I'm mistaken, he 'learned' the other forms, but didn't 'learn' the forms. He could identify forms, teach them, and knew their ins-and-outs enough where he knew how to defeat them.
It's like learning about another class, but not using it. Having a mastery understanding of it, but not learning to master using it.
If that makes sense.
Unitomic completely. You could say he’s sticking with his style, but he’s not just restricted to fighting opponents with similar styles to him by studying and sparring with the different styles of others.
@@judeskater93 Yes, I'm happy I wasn't too confusing.
Much of his understanding actually came from sparring against them. He knew how to respond to every technique because he actually sparred (and later fought to the death) each of them. He was intimately familiar with every strike.
He learned them but didn't master them
“They take on too much. Someone who spent all his time studying a single form could probably best a Battlemaster”
“Dabble in all, master of none. My focus remains on Makashi.”
- Dooku
My retort "jack of all trades, master of none. Better still than a master of one."
Unitomic multiple styles leads to more options in battle dooku has barely any and once someone greater than him in force showed up he fell easily
GnosisZX true, but that doesn’t mean Dooku was completely helpless. He has knowledge of all the classical lightsaber forms and knows how to counter them. In the ROTS novel, it starts that Dooku knew every weakness of Form IV Ataru after dozens of fencing matches with his Padawan Qui-Gon Jinn. And during their duel on Grevious’ flagship, the Count swept at Anakin’s ankles in order to off balance him because the Djem So variant of Form V lacks mobility
@@darylsdesigns6679 Which is also why what dukoo thought was rubbish in the end because anakin solved this by adding aspects of other forms to counter that very issue
@@GnosisZX Dyral is correct. But Dooku's key was that he focused so exclusively on Makashi that he learned and mastered every imaginable response to everything the other forms could throw.
Dooku knew the other forms inside and out (well enough to teach them), and sparred against them so often that he knew exactly how to respond to every bit.
In the end, it wasn't the advantage of a form that overtook him, but the ferocity which made each hit that much stronger. Like knowing how to block a punch, then trying to block it from someone who has your body weight just in his arm. Raw power can nullify even a perfect counter.
let's be real. He chose only Makashi for the Aesthetic.
Not to mention IRL Sir Christopher Lee was a CHAMPION level fences.. Which is why the Makashi form was created in the first place for the films...
@@solcorvinus9793 didn't know that, but now that makes perfect sense, fencing blades have a curved handle as well, it just fits better in the hands that way.
@@TheStellarmanCo. exactly... Look up his history... He had an EXTREMELY interesting life....
Hmm well dooku *was* the best fencer of the time before Anakin outfenced him.
Otari Muradishvili
😅 true
It is obvious that that contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force... but by our skills with a Lightsaber
What a great character. Without a doubt the best and most elegant swordsman of his age.
most elegant maybe
Focusing all your skill and knowledge on one Lightsabre style and mastering it can be more formidable than someone switching styles and not fully understanding all the different Lightsabre forms they use fully.
But it can also lead to one being unable to keep up when facing opponents who can effectively switch between styles.
Oh Dooku... Bless the stubborn fool. Yes committed to a single lightsaber form will undoubtedly allow you mastery in your chosen form but it will also allow others to route out the weaknesses to that form. A double assault of Soresu & Djem So for example... 🤔 Thank you again for another fun video topic xx
I think that every individual will develop slight variations on the same form as they advance in their mastery of the form, and that will add enough surprise to negate that (in my opinion).
@@o_o8203 I do get that but I simply could not let a perfectly apt Revenge of the Sith reference pass me by frankly 😅 xx
He also did overcome a limitation of makashi by using it to deflect blaster bolts. That also made him special.
"Jack of all trades master of none, often times better than master of one"
I can see his point, it's something that requires to much training to understand, it's like training every instrument to be the best musitian in the world, what the order should do is initiating the students in all forms and then letting them choose.
But learning a different form could also help you understand it better and allow you to counter it
That is my approach with martial arts it is good to understand other forms.
yeah thats why its the student that should be the one to choose to be a mster of a single form or being a jack of all trades, dooku is right on this subject
Ricardo alves a point like that can be a hit or miss depending on the person. Some can learn multiple styles and utilize them to work in their favor, like how anakin did with utilizing form 4s mobility to make up for the lack there of in form 5. However, not everyone is capable of learning that way or if they do learn multiple styles they either can’t or don’t refine it to a point where they can be better than a master of one. Personally I’m up for learning different styles, I’ve dabbled in European fencing and a bit of long sword fighting myself and noticed how some of the stuff I learned in fencing helped with my practice with a long sword, especially when it comes to form and quick counters.
This is why Dooku is one my favourite SW characters. He was never afraid to be different. He understood...as did Sifo Dyas.
Imagine if Dooku was not only THEE MAKASHI Master but also THEE SORESU master as a Jedi Master And As A Sith he also would be way more scary of a duelist then he already was probably so good that neither Yoda Nor Sidious Nor Anakin could break through his defenses.
"Jack of all trades, master of none." I agree with the philosophy in certain realms of life. Guitar playing is something I've always thought this applied to. Be great at one style or kind of a jackass at 4.
This philosophy could also be applied to pvp videogames with classes. A lot of coaches will tell you to one or two trick instead of dabbling in every class/hero/champion in order to climb the ranks. Because one tricks are able to defeat even supposed counters with their knowledge of the class.
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times" -Bruce Lee
That makes no sense. Bruce Lee adapted his style from wing chun, western boxing, fencing and number of other martial arts. He never believe blocking yourself into rigid systems was a good idea.
"I know you don't like him master but you cannot deny.... Dooku has got style!"
I believe in Mastering 1 style vs expertise in 2 styles vs profienecy in 3 is an interesting argument, I personally put forth” Shii-Cho and two complementary forms” for me, Shiicho,Makashi and Djem So
He didn’t need any other forms because he mastered form 2, and in the end that’s all you need if you wanna be a great duelist.
Form 1 for multiple opponents, Form 7 Vaapad variant for Dark side users, Form 3 for defense, etc.
They each have pro's & cons.
Dooku’s views on lightsaber combat seem to mirror those of Darth Bane, who criticised the Jedi Order for teaching so many fighting styles. In the Book of Sith, Darth Bane refined Sith lightsaber combat into two signature styles: Fast style and Strong style, citing his apprentice as a user of the former and himself being a user of Strong style (Djem So).
Here is an abridged excerpt from Bane’s Rule of Two chapter in the Book of Sith:
“The Jedi teach six forms of lightsaber combat. This is excessive and a waste of time.”
“There are two key forms of lightsaber combat a Sith must master: Strong style and Fast style. The latter emphasises footwork, speed, precision, and acrobatics. With some exceptions - such as the tactics of my own apprentice (Darth Zannah) - Fast style is rarely suited for a Sith. The dark side supplies us with strength, and that strength must be used. Hate makes us powerful.”
“Strong style is expressed as djem so - an ancient philosophy that requires you to combine your body weight and your muscular strength with the energising drug of anger so that the execution of your blows will land with enough force to crack armour.”
So, even with two key forms for future Sith to learn, he himself prefers only one of them: Strong style. In 2 books out of 3 of the Darth Bane trilogy of novels Bane was a pure Djem So stylist, only once demonstrating use of Soresu (Fast style defence) as a training exercise during a downpour of rain. I don’t recall him ever actually using it in combat.
On the following page he talks about Juyo, a third style that he himself deems “exceedingly difficult.”
Both Bane and Dooku make use of Dun Moch to supplement their chosen lightsaber form.
Dooku: Only pick one form to avoid being too much of a generalist
Most Jedi: I choose Niman
Dooku: ...
Listen here you little shit
While Dooku was no doubt a very proficient duelist, he did lose to Anakin, who dabbled in several fighting forms, and who went on to create a hybrid form comprising elements of all the seven forms as Vader and managed to defeat every Jedi who crossed his path using this hybrid form, with the exception of Luke, so I'd take Dooku's word on this matter with a grain of salt. Sidious and Yoda also learned and mastered all seven forms, and I doubt Dooku would've been a match for them either.
Yoda and Sidious knows all forms but use one primary form. Yoda is probably the greatest Ataru practitioner in Star Wars, Sidious is also probably the greatest Juyo user (but force enhanced so much but not actually the greatest mechanics)
Put Dooku the same age as Anakin, or at least the same age as Windu. Dooku would beat him. ROTS Dooku is past his prime and has very low stamina, yet he still gave beautiful fight.
The man was like 80 give him a break of course a what 20 something Anakin beat him
Choose a topic - Study the topic - Train in the topic- Become a "Master" in the topic as seen by others - Begin to improve the topic itself - Refine the topic improvements even more- Truly stand on your own level in the topic - Continue your work, and strive to improve always even when you stand unmatched by anyone around you in said topic. -How to "Dew it" when it comes to becoming a Master at anything...Even getting caught.
Consider those who had similar style focuses on Dooku:
Dooku: Makashi
Yoda: Ataru
Anakin: Djem So
Obi-Wan: Soresu
These were known as the finest blade masters the order produced. All because the dedicated themselves to mastering a form rather than becoming "good" at multiple forms. Dooku didn't even worry about his final duel until he realized how proficient both Obi-Wan and Anakin had become in their individual techniques.
I'm getting worried. This is the second, "Dooku is a boomer" video you've made and the second video where I've agreed with him 100%😂 I've practiced Kendo/Kenjutsu for 14+ years. If I were a Jedi/Sith (I'd probably be a Gray Jedi) I'd use a single saber style and focus on one form
What about the droid attack on the wookies
Hope we see Dooku in season 7.
Uhm who would voice h im?
@@TyTy-ob1vy Corey Burton, his Clone Wars and Battlefront 2 actor.
Bruce Lee once said “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” Anikan, Obi Wan, Mace, Yoda and Dooku all prove this with their forms. Imagine how much harder Jedi training would be if Padawan tried to master every single form.
1) what's Bruce Lee got to do with this, 2) Bruce Lee NEVER FOUGHT
In the words of Bruce Lee, “Fear not the man that knows 10,000 kicks, but fear the man that has practiced 1 kick 10,000 times.”
Great video... more lore history videos like this.. thanx
Dooku refined Makashi and overcame most of its inherent weaknesses. He was the absolute master of the style.
He was right. I mean look at some of the best “specialists” we know of; Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader: Djem so specialist, Yoda: Ataru Specialist, Dooku: Makashi specialist, Kenobi: Soresu Specialist, Mace Windu: 7/Vaapad Specialist, Darth Maul: 7/Juyo Specialist, Exar Kun: Niman Specialist, Kit Fisto: Shii Cho Specialist... etc...
Every single one of them would wreck any battlemaster in the Jedi Order’s history.. Dooku was right about that statement to an extent. Not just anybody could take on a battlemaster though and the names I just mentioned are probably the best in their chosen form in all of Star Wars. But a specialist avidly skilled in their form could best a battlemaster. I mean Anakin was whompin’ on Cin Drallig with one hand literally behind his back for a time, holding onto another Jedi’s neck/collar.. And when Darth Maul attacked & fought who is assumed to be Drallig’s predecessor; Anoon Bondara, he literally decided it was easier to just blow himself up Kamikaze-style than to continue to fight Maul and try to beat him straight up blade to blade... So again, yeah, Dooku was right.
I don’t like how they say Form II is weak against Form V because of the kinetic attacks of Form V. The Jedi would have an annual lightsaber duel competition. Dooku was ALWAYS one of the best. He was equal to Windu and together, Dooku and Windu were second only to Yoda. In other words, Dooku beat countless Form V users over the years. Anakin wasn’t the only Form V user. Dooku always used finesse to defeat Form V. If you look closely, the “kinetic force” of Form V wasn’t the real reason why Anakin defeated Dooku. Anakin PHYSICALLY GRABBED Dooku’s arms and in a circular swipe, chopped off Dooku’s hands.
Well imho your argument is invalid as the form v users dooku fought were not as skilled at form v as dooku was at form 2. Chances are if you found someone as skilled at form v as dooku was at form 2 the form 5 person would win. Form 3 was weak to form 2, as form 3 relies on your opponent getting tired and attacking you relentlessly while letting their guard down in favour of more offence. This is why obi wan was able to go toe to toe with anakin. Form 2 however was all about not getting tired and precise, lightning attacks at your enemy, and with form 2 the point is you were meant to be able to do this all day. You cant defend forever there will be a gap at some point. Form 2 is weak to form 5 because of form 2s lack of kinetic power and lack of statue like blocks found in form 3. This is why anakin was able to beat dooku, dooku just couldn’t cope with anakin relentless attacks and let his guard down because in simple terms he had had enough. This is why anakin was able to easily grab dooku and chop his hands off. This is why i think a combination of all 3 forms like Vader’s hybrid form would be near unstoppable.
Dooku is one of the most interesting Star Wars Characters, I wish he gets more developement in TCW 7
Nearly every time he fought Anakin proves otherwise. The early fights showcased Dooku's superior skill, but his personal skill is what made up for form two, Makashi's, weaknesses.
Take the duels between Anakin and Dooku during the clone wars, specifically the first attempt to "kidnap" the chancellor as an important example. Dooku, being older and less physically strong, was becoming more and more exhausted as Anakin fought him. Dooku had to resort to using the objects around him to try and fend him off, and you can see Anakin gaining the upper hand all throughout the fight, until Dooku uses lightning on him to stun him.
Video idea: coverage of the lightsaber battle between Darth Bane and Darth Zannah vs the group of Jedi on Tython
I agree with dooku(partially at least)I’ve always preferred Specialization over hybridization. I do believe if you were to take another form or learn one, it should be as a supplement to your main/backbone form. For example, me personally, I would learn Djem So and have knowledge in Soresu(to create a sort of aggressive defensive maneuvers), and maybe Ataru for hand to hand combat training and the inclusion of martial strikes while using a lightsaber.
Despite Dooku mastering Makashi to its peak, he maintained enough competence with the other six forms to supplement his fighting style, and train General Grievous, Asajj Ventress and the Magna-Guards in their use, as well as to better handle the weaknesses of Makashi. His blade mastery was such that only Yoda surpassed him and Mace Windu stood as his equal. By the time the Clone Wars ended, Dooku's skills with a lightsaber had atrophied, as he continued honing his Force abilities (though that wouldn't really matter as he was always outclassed by Yoda and Darth Sidious). Despite this, he remained skilled enough to hold his own for a time against the much-improved Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi aboard the Invisible Hand before eventually getting killed by Anakin.
If he'd learned other forms, maybe James Franco wouldn't have cut his hands off.
After trying different styles I'm definitely a form 3 practitioner, but dookuu is right about less being more, and even throw in the dark side user imma give my all to soresu before anything else
He's efficient in one form already, plus this form can counter any other form
why bother learning other forms
He lost against Anakin using form V. Your argument is invalid
Tactics 890 I don’t like how they say Form II is weak against Form V. The Jedi would have an annual lightsaber duel competition. Dooku was always one of the best. Equal to Windu and second to only Yoda. In other words, Dooku beat countless Form V users. Anakin wasn’t the only Form V user. The explanation should just be that the Dark Side gave him a boost in power. If you look closely, “kinetic force” wasn’t used by Anakin. Anakin grabbed Dooku’s arms and in a circular swipe, chopped off Dooku’s hands.
@@joncook7510 that big facts
It's weak against blasters (a dominating threat even after the discovery of the Sith).
It has flaws in momentum, and so hyper aggressive forms overtake it. That includes Juyo. Djem So and Ataru are good against it, but unless they are used very aggressiveness (while they are offensive forms, they are not overly aggressive forms like Juyo) or empowered by the Dark Side, Makashi can still overtake them through precisely working around the attacks. We saw that in Episode II between Makashi and Shien.
@@unigaming9921 that's facts
dooku was literally a Force Hipster
I read that as "why doofus (rest of title)" and I was like who tf is doofus? Is that like his failed cousin clone or something 🤣
lol
Count Dookie or Count doofus
Could you do a video on count dookus thoughts on each lightsaber form
I think mastering one form of lightsaber combat would be smart for a Padawan to complete but they should also be aware of the other lightsaber forms in a decent amount of depth but work to master a primary form. Although I think if they would’ve had all of the Jedi learn form 3 which is the most Jedi of all of the forms being it’s strictly defense but then to learn another one of the forms that has stronger offensive abilities that will match the users personal stature/ability in the force or if they where to “master a single form” it should’ve been form 6 Ni’man but where the padawans master has them work with masters in each of the 7 forms of combat (including windups vapad which was the closest to Sith Juyo) so that any Jedi would be capable at handling nearly any situation given that their opponent(s) aren’t significantly stronger in the force than them but even then they still might be victorious.
He didn't want to master them all because he wanted to give his opponents a fighting chance.
Attacked by jedi master & knight defeats both even when facing dual bladed style & cuts off his hand - dooku is a powerhouse. His style was specifically for being a duelist like there you go.
Yet even he learned multiple forms to teach his own students or utilize himself. Dooku knows blast deflection and demonstrated it in an episode of Clone Wars. Form II is not designed for blast deflection, while all Jedi know some Form I which teaches some blast deflection but not like entire forms specializing in it like Forms III and half of Form V. He'd have to known some of the specialized forms in that department to use it as effectively as he did in that episode.
What's the deal with having elegance in a sword duel or in this case lightsaber duel?
I left a like for *sometimes necessary hops and cartwheels*
Sidious and Vader are such masters of Lightsaber combat that they could combine all seven forms into unique hybrid.
Great vid as always, and this raises an interesting question: What training method would you take? A specialist? A jack of all trades? And which form(s) would you choose?? That question is for everyone here, including Star Wars Reading Club :D Personally I'd take a similar approach to Dooku, but with a more Anakin learning curve. Anakin became a specialist like Dooku using his own Form V, but before that he was excellent at Ataru as well. So in my case I'd go with an Ataru specialization but also master Form 6 so that I could have an intimate knowledge of all other forms, and destroy them with Form 4. Those are just my thoughts, how about the rest of you?
Thing is according to the book , he was asked to go easy on Anakin ...so really he is (arguably )unbeaten ...
The coward ran from Yoda, though 😏✅
@@MisterTurner-ex1fv I mean its fckin yoda
@@johncena3034 Yeah 😏, Yoda was no joke ❌
Makashi is also the purest form of light saber combat but still he should have learnt form 3 too otherwise he wouldn't have lost.
Can you make videos about jacen & jaina?
The best warrior can adapt and change to defeat his enemies
Incredible video, thank you for posting.
I really want to subscribe to your Patreon, but it says you put it on pause last year. Is that still the case?
For sometimes nessecary hops, and cartwheel then.
Because he's motherfucking
Sir. Christopher. Lee.
Focusing on one alone can make one strong. His mastery over form 2 was great and he even held his own against Yoda, but each form has it's own weaknesses. His form could not generate power and Anakin overwhelmed that trait. Makashi also isnt suited to blast deflections, even though that can be overcome. Obi Wan had a hybrid form of Soresu and Ataru, compensating for the weaknesses of each form. You need to be able to overcome your weaknesses. Had Dooku done another form as well he might not have been overwhelmed by Anakins superior strength.
He certainly knew the other forms super well but he just didn't use them. I mean to qualify as one of history's truly great dualists, understanding all forms is essential, no so much so that you can use them, but rather understand them well enough to combat and defeat others whom use those forms. I mean it'd be impossible to actually be one of the greats without understanding at least that much. Windu, Yoda and Sidious also mastered all seven forms, but generally had one form the preferred over others; same goes for Dooku.
But did Dooku also had knowledge of all seven form
I think so. I think someone like dooku would have looked at his form's weaknesses compared to all other forms and used that to improve his form.
o_o And you can also say he was a master of all form
Of course, this made Dooku a one-trick pony. This meant that when he was met by two different opponents, using _four_ different styles, he couldn't keep up and lost his head.
If Dooku hates dual wielding, Then WHY did Dooku train Asajj Ventress in double lightsaber wielding? I think you missed that important topic in this video. You should have addressed that.
"We trained her wrong on purpose, as a Joke."
Assajj was already a dual wielder prior being trained by Dooku, he still hates it.
Asajj became was first trained as a child by an exiled Jedi who she loved dearly but when he was killed by warlords in legends, criminals in canon she took his lightsaber as his own becoming a duel Wielder
She self taught herself jar’Kai dual lightsaber combat which was strengthened when she turned to the Dark Side
In legends When she met Dooku, he destroyed her Jedi sabers, and gave her his former apprentice Komari Vosa who was a dual Wielder herself
Dooku may have preferred Ventress to be a single Wielder and may have taught his style of Makashi toward her, but instead adapted it to her jar Kai style which Master Luminara criticizes I’m falling her an amateur in trying to use Makashi in jar Kai which Dooku may agree but had to make concessions in making Ventress as dangerous as she can be by going with what she comfortable With, as her style did produce results in striking down Jedi
Cause dual wielding two blades the same length is stupid! If you want to dual wield then use one regular blade and one short blade
"A jack of all trades is the master of none"
This is the Mantra of a fool. Becoming the master of one particular subject may be good in a world that does not change or evolve but that is not how the world Works becoming proficient in a variety of things means that you will never be without. Focusing on one particular thing means that as soon as that thing changes you are completely helpless. a master of an art that is dead is just as useless as one that knows nothing.
those who learn and become proficient in a variety of subjects can change and adapt with the times those who do not are stuck and will be unable to change and adapt and thus will ultimately become obsolete.
The world is not static nature is not inflexible those who fail to adapt will ultimately be doomed to be left behind.
Mastering an art doesn't mean cutting it's evolution. It should be the opposite. As you master your art, you can achieve new levels of proficiency. Also, when your art reach the "unstoppable" level, it makes no sense to learn another one.
Do you like basketball? Think about Kareem Abdul jabbar's skyhook, MJ and Dirk fadeaway and the better example, Steph curry' 3 pointer. Steph took a few people art and become it the most lethal weapon of a generation. So did Kareem and Jordan. What makes Steph special? Well think why they can't do what the other 2 can. Kareem' skyhook is technically the most unstoppable shoot ever, but need a player who can shoot from above the rim. MJ couldn't bit he mastered the fadeaway, Wich needs a coordination and athleticism the others lack. And everyone can shoot a 3, but curry made it his own and brought it to another level because of his weaknesses.
And I know those NBA players have other skills to show but all you have to do is applying the same logic to their all-around playing style, Wich would be even closer to a Star wars fighting style
Yes and no. In one sense he's limiting himself through this training method, but Dooku spent countless hours sparring against every other form thus learned how to engage and defeat each one of them using his chosen form. Other practitioners who learned multiple forms became flustered with the clutter of styles they'd learned and became trapped in textbook tactics; they weren't good enough to get really creative with it unless they had extended lifespans like Yoda. Basically Dooku became so good at Form II that he transcended the textbook and innovated an unorthodox bag of tricks that took other fighters to school every time. The results of his performances speak for themselves. I mean, he was virtually even with Yoda. Anakin fucked him up because he also chose to specialize like Dooku. Paired with his innate power, Anakin was the Jedi who finally defeated him.
Depends on a scale. In our world sure but when magic/technology comes into question? Fuck no. Lets say you have a balance of magic skills so you can somewhat defend,buff,heal and harm sure but a master of destruction would just nuke your ass from different continent (lets say intercontinental explosion magic capable of smoldering Australia or some shit like that). Sure i cannot heal my ass myself (but there are potions probably or some newbie mage apprentice in heal magic could be my bitch of an assistant.), buffing,defending would be pointless when i can attack on such a range and i have ALL destruction magic (so not only limited to that nuke.). Besides you go for mastery of one thing and then when you got spare time you learn what you fancy that could add to your main path (so like vader in star wars). "Jack of trading" never seemed like a good idea to me in games and i always was fine. i would elaborate but im sleepy af so yea (sorry for incoherent rambling, hope you get the general idea behind this shit.).
@@xxXXRAPXXxx if your going to elaborate in the future I'd love to hear it
Not so. At least not in the case of martial arts. In a duel the man who masters the rapier typically beats an opponet who trained in multiple weapon types. I know from my own diversified training in rapier and sidesword that neither is as good as they could be if I focused on only one style.
He's like the Star Wars version of a grampa that still pays with checks 😂
But you could argue this led to its downfall, it was Makashi's weakness which was the lack of kinetic power generation that allowed Anakin to defeat him with Djem So. Also Palpatine was a master of all seven forms and he managed to do pretty well in lightsaber duels. So not sure this philosophy was fool proof. Maybe you didn't need to necessarily master all seven forms, but perhaps only two or three. Look at Obi-Wan, he was a master of both Soresu and Ataru. Perhaps the best duelists mastered two forms that complimented one another''s strengths and weaknesses.
Dooku knew all 7 forms including their weaknesses. Despite his belief of sticking to one form? He still borrowed forms from other lightsaber style's to be well rounded in his approach to combat. You might think he was purely a makashi master, but, he did use niman most of the time in battle. Between flip's and kicks, he borrowed his agility and combat from ataru. Main point, Dooku was a major contradiction too his own beliefs. Without the other forms of lightsaber combat? He wouldn't have created his own style.
I would live & breathe Niman
... My style would be the moderation form without the moderation. Niman combat specialist all the way 😎
When someone says they are a dtar wars fan but doesnt know what a gonk droid is.
Ironic
Didn't Dooku himself know all the forms, at the very least, to the degree that he could teach them? Also, I remember him using elements of other forms in fights e.g. the Form V opening stance when engaging Anakin on Geonosis and frequent use of the force in combat (Niman).
When your early but cant make a meme about the title:
Use the extra time to learn the difference between contractions and possessives.
@@checkmarc8474, use the time you have to be useful in society and not spend time on the internet not correcting someone's sentence structure.
@@Good_Watch How much time it takes to leave a short, impulsive, one-sentence comment: around 20 seconds, maybe a minute or two at worst.
How much productive shit can be done in that time span: like none.
I'm not saying they're right, I'm saying your comeback's bad.
Wonder what'd happen if Dooku learned Vaapad
Dooku didn't really rely on the dark side and anger, just its abilities that the Jedi never used.
@arronnov But was he angry? Nope. Vapad required inner anger and darkness, Dooku didn't turn out of anger, only in an attempt to reform the corrupted Galaxy.
@@CeLeb144 dooku was angry with the jedi order as he blamed them for qui gons death and saw them as hypocrites and was disgusted with what the jedi became and while in the CIS he had a disdain for the alien species. Dookus betrayal was mostly personal as he tried to recruit obi wan because in his words "is like a grandson to me" since he was qui gons apprentice
hes not a real sith, hes more like a dark jedi but he knows everything about both side
@@zero5496 He basically utilized the dark side for strength, he was already a powerful Jedi master, but he basically wanted an addition to his strength via the dark side. Whenever Mace Windu utilized vapad he would tap into the dark side without letting it corrupt him, Dooku is basically at the same level of Windu as a Jedi, however, once the addition of the dark side is added, Windu can control it and not fall to it, while Dooku can control it, but not let it alter him too severely, such as his non-sith eyes. Theoretically, Dooku could utilize vapad but it is unlikely considering that Makashi is his primary and he would have no desire to change from the form he chose to master.
Who used form one?
Dooku also had a fair bit of aristocratic arrogance that influenced his perception of lightsaber combat and a huge distain for those who had one or more cyber limbs
How can you master a form against the others if you have not mastered the others.
Chivalry is dead; and Anakin killed it.
Wasn't Palpatine taught by Plaguies to be a master of all forms?
I understand his reasoning for this but it makes the other forms pointless in that sense...its better to learn & understand more than one form and master in at least one or more but dont ignore other forms.
Dooku actually did know the in an outs of every form, at least we'll enough to teach them to his many students, and did borrow techniques form other forms. Dooku seems to just be arguing against devoting yourself to multiple forms at the same time.
He was mistaken. But I undertand him. Children shouldn't have learn techniques at once. It should be done gradually. There's nothing wrong with learning as much as you can.Multiple lightsaber forms are perfect way. Even Form VI. Dooku is one of the best lightsaber duelists ever but he was mistaken. And a like for necessary.
In theory, I get what Dooku is trying to say, but this is practically impossible ... some forms of lightsaber combat, such as Juyo or Vaapad (form 7) are so complex, diverse and hard to master that in order to master it, one has no other choice but to build up their lightsaber skill with less complex forms of lightsaber combat until they are finally ready and skilled enough to learn the highly complex moves of form 7 for example ... also, Dooku himself started out as Yoda's Padawan pupil, meaning BY DEFAULT he started learning form 1 of lightsaber combat, which all Padawan students BY DEFAULT start out with ... this makes Dooku a Makashi/form 2 SPECIALIST, but NOT A PURIST ... making him pretty much a hypocrite to some degree
Okdarling your wrong Dooku was a master in all forms of Lifghtsaber forms he choose Akashi tho as his preferred form. All. the top tier duelist were masters of all forms but they still chose one over the rest.
Let’s be real if dooku was real and played video games he would buy skins in every game he played
Maybe he should've learned more forms. Maybe he wouldn't have been clapped
sulaimani had a lightsaber?
A genius
This is Canon for me!
A master of one lightsaber form can defeat a master of 7 .
So basically Form 6 Niman is trash, you practice all but master nothing. So true, so very true.
@@benjeesilv1596 Maybe so, but bare in mind, all of the greatest jedi have had a base form. Yoda was Form 4, Windu was Form 7, Kit Fisto was Form 1and so on. During the Battle of Geonosis every jedi killed by Dooku's droid army was a Niman-heavy practitioner, including Coleman Trebor who was a master on the jedi council. So if your name isn't Exar Kun, Revan, or General Xendor (who literally invented it and jar'kai) you have no business tinkering with a style as chaotic as Form 6.
A jack of all trades is a master of none but oftentimes better than master of one.
He would be right if it wasn't for hard counters.
Lightsabers for Dummies. Author: Count Dooku.
Dooku had a point.
Wait, what? 🤔
Yet Sidious was a master of all forms and could curbstomp Dooku in both lightsaber combat and Force mastery.
I disagree, this is like telling someone to only learn one instrument, bc you’ll be able to be much better than its one, than many, I say practice multiple instruments, to as close to perfection as possible.
*master of forms is master of nothing*
1) Dark Anakin beats Drallig
2)Jedi anakin's djem-so counters Windu's Vaapad in office duel.
3)Kenobi's Soresu held off Vader.
4)Dooku's makashi outmaneuvers Anakin's form which in turn overpowers dooku.
5)Yoda and Sidious knew all forms but it didn't help them against each other very much.
*Dooku is correct. Knowing all forms helps but mastering them won't* no wonder mace fought so sloppily in that ROTS Game vs anakin.
I disagree with Dooku's combat philosophy. When Dooku only specialized in one fighting style he became a slave to his form's weaknesses, primarily his inability to deal with power attacks from a form 5 fighter. Dooku had to learn that the hard way with Anakin on their final fight. I also think that the only reason Dooku was so successful as a duelist was because form 2 was so rare, and the jedi at the time weren't used to lightsaber combat as they thought the sith were extinct. I wonder how Dooku would fair in a different time where lightsaber combat was the norm
Because it was written that way
I cant imagine Dooku fight with a double bladed saber😁
And it doesn't suit him