Why Jedi Wanted Anakin’s Lightsaber Combat Form Used in Episode 3 Removed from the Order! (Legends)
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The Non-Canon Expert looks at how the lightsaber combat form Anakin Skywalker would successfully utilize against Dooku in Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith was viewed and understood by some Jedi within the Order in the years prior to the Clone Wars, explaining their concerns over this lightsaber combat form, how it was understood by a powerful Sith Lord who also used it, and whether any of these elements were present during Anakin's final duel against Dooku.
This is a Legends story for Anakin Skywalker, the lightsaber combat forms, and the events of Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith with information found within The Jedi Path reference book, the Book of Sith reference book, "Star Wars: Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force," "Star Wars: Darth Bane: Path of Destruction," and the Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith novelization. I hope that you enjoy it!
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Meanwhile, Master Mace “Vapaad” Windu chopping bounty hunter heads and relishing battle while skirting the Dark Side....
But it's ok, becouse he had the trust of the council
Corrupt due to jedi arrogance
Otari Muradishvili Or his own stupidity. Didn’t Mace Windu invent “Jedi arrogance” if there ever was such a phenomenon? He was arrogance itself!
KaioConnor that’s why Windu served to represent all that had gone wrong with the Jedi.
AFTER he destroyed his weapon and disarmed him still beheaded the guy even though it wasn't necessary.
Mace Windu uses the darkside but Anakin get's sh*t for being too aggressive
To be a full darksider, being aggressive in form is not enough....
And overall I think we dont really know how vaapad works if not see how it works on a half darksider not a sith lord
Vaapad was perfect for Windu, but I believe that in the duel against Sideous, he delved too deep into the Dark Side and became consumed.
Windu didn't use the dark side, he was full on dark side.
Mace windu was an exception in the order. He was more than a hero, he was a super jedi alongside yoda, and most importanly he was loyal to the core to the order then the republic .that is why he was respected and fear by darksiders, he was umbreakable and could not be turn to the darkside.
Mace was loyal. In fact too loyal to the republic civilization so much so that sometimes he breaks jedi and republic rules if necessary
Palpatine: DEW IT.
Anakin: I shouldn't.
Palpatine: DEW IT.
Anakin: okay.
Opens can of mountain dew and slams it! Yeah! Do the dew!
Brian Johnson do the dew that is in fact of the doing
Anakin. Why did you DEW IT?
@@cranshawmccaw because it was his DEW TI!
Dew it anakkn
Truth be told, he didn't really have a choice but to use overwhelming force to crush Dooku. Obi-Wan had lost (again) and was incapacitated, worse yet Grievous was on board and could have entered the fight at any moment.
Time wasn't on Annikan's side so he had to make the call, he chose what was needed over what held to the Jedi ways.
Good point
Jaeger_Bishop well makashi is all about blade to blade contact so even soresu can be broken by well timed attacks that lock the blade and push it on to its weilder
Jaeger_Bishop 100th like ayy
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WELL in all fairness, also in novelization of ROTS, Dooku feared Obi-wan’s lightsaber skills because he wasn’t losing his footing in form 3 against Dooku at all even though he should’ve been insta-wrecking Obi. Which is why he force spammed until Obi lost the fight. In a saber duel alone? Obi probably would’ve won in episode 3 considering how proficient he’d become during the clone wars, as well as his ability to utilize some form 4 techniques during a duel to temporarily gain an advantage.
GokuInfintysaiyan Obi Wan still would’ve lost. Dooku gave Grevious this advice “don’t cut through his guard, cut around it.” That’s why Anakin and Grevious lost, both we’re trying to push an immovable object, although Anakin was closer than Grevious to being an unstoppable force. Dooku didn’t need to be an unstoppable force, and was well versed in all forms of saber combat unlike Anakin, and taught Grevious.
Djem So and Shien were both developed from Soresu practitioners who felt that Soresu was too passive a form to be used in combat. All you'd be doing with Soresu is buying time.
Anakin was always the kind of Jedi who would end a threat quickly after defending. He wasn't the kind to just let a threat persist. The only problem was that he didn't couple it with compassion, but focused more on the dominating aspect of it. His son, Luke, used this form against his father in Return of the Jedi. But he eventually learned that Form V needed compassion coupled with its offensive capabilities in order for it to be effective. At least for Jedi, anyway.
In order for it to be acceptable to the Jedi*
Things can be effective without being compassionate, obviously.
Corbin If you like being a Sith, yes. But hey, I'm speaking about the Jedi here.
@@99thJediWarrior Fair enough.
@@99thJediWarrior the jedi arent that compassionate. The Way Mace and the council treated Ahsoka was completely devoid of compassion. A compassionate order would apologize for their mistake, completely own up to it and not try and justify themselves even when they had no idea what was going on, thats the correct and empathetic/compassionate thing to do. If they had compassion they wouldn't publicly shame, condemn and dismiss Anakin when he first came to the temple immediately after leaving his mother behind when his whole existence had been slavery with her and Shmi did everything she could to allow him to have some peace and joy even in SLAVERY. Of course he has fear and yet they treat him like it's an unwarranted reaction when they present themselves in a scary manner and hes been through scary circumstances. Im not saying I like the sith im saying the Jedi are full of shit.
@@magortom You won't get any argument from me. The Jedi themselves were arrogant in their own right. They didn't serve the Force, but they serve the Republic. They believed fighting for the Republic made them strong, made them right. But all it did was make them dead.
Personally Anakin had to cut off both hands. If he didn't dooku still could have used sith lighting.
Eric Sterner yes but the intention behind it was revenge for taking anakin’s forelimb at Ep 2, as much as disarming
@@christophersanchez7731 the intention behind it was because dude because Count Dooku killed Anakin's mother in the books Dooku comes out and tells Anakin I set your mother up to be killed by the same people so no it's not about revenge it's about the fact that that m*********** killed his mom this is deeper than revenge
He can still used lighting without hands
@@symbolofpeacetv1578 really? And how? Prostethic arms aside
@@alengeek27 I mean, he still has other....appendages...
*jedi kills opponent after disarming.
Jedi Order: uNaCcEpTaBlE
*jedi does not kill opponent, cuts off all limbs, and leaves opponent by magma and lava stream burning alive to leave fate to force.
Jedi order approves 👍
Good Boi well in his defense the Jedi order had fallen at that point
I mean technically there was no order when Obi Wan did that, so hey, go wild.
Anakin deserved that and more.lucky for him kenobi dindt force push him to the lava to finish the job.kenobi was to good of a jedi for that.
cadbane bountyhunter tbh Kenobi thought he was gonna die and at that point Anakin was no more it was Vader
@@xxlghoulygamer7032 it was still anakin for obi-wan, he still saw him as his brother even when the figth was done.that is why he dindt go any further to finish the job.
Peace through superior firepower.
What are YOU gonna do about it?!
As I always say, an armed society is a polite society.
Oh say can you see by the dawns early light
Speak softly and carry a bug stick
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
Anakin: And they wondered why I turned to the Dark Side.
ItsRyanYT Here before 2 likes
(I wrote that when you hit 5 likes but I was your first like)
@@joethenotable331 Okay.
HIGH GROUND i have raven
I said that because lots of people say ‘here before a 100,000 likes’ so I just want to show them and I think this comment is going to get a lot of likes (I mean the one that you made)
It would be stupid for the Jedi to get rid of a lightsaber combat form built for war, especially if they survived Order 66 and rebelled against the Empire
lol, what a bunch of idiots. Another reason why Anakin wiping out the order was for the greater good
@@lapplandkun9273 hahah true mate
If your opponent is willing to do it to you, then it can't be taken off the table. I've no doubt that if the situation were reversed, Dooku wouldn't hesitate. I love the Jedi, but sometimes, their philosophy begged for them to die.
Exactly so if you comeback alive, you're a bad guy. lol
Also lets look at killing him realistically
He had an unconscious obiwan to carry and the chancellor to protect
How in the hell was he supposed to help them and safly take an arrested dooku out of a ship that was going down.
And you cant not arrest him cause his to powerful and dangerous
@@lesvernornvienas8232 he also couldn't handcuff him...
@@baseballdude345 i did say that
@@baseballdude345 wait sorry different comment chain same topic
I swear Star Wars is going to be a Religion in 400 years
Robert Monti it is already mine
No.
It already is
The Pope: execute order 666 😈
goofy gamer the pope is antichrist
I hadn't known that there had been a stigma against Form V either so thanks for the great video 😄
Although some of these reservations are certainly relevant, I find myself again coming back to the Jedi's lack of faith in each other as a massive contributor to their downfall. They were so afraid of the influence of the Dark Side that they were seeing potential temptations of it in all aspects of life xx
Jinty M I agree it’s just like anything in life, if you don’t acknowledge the danger in a gun for instance, kids will want to play with it. If you teach them the dangers of it but how to handle it and not be scared they will be more careful and not do dumb things with it.
@@BrandonGavin_EDC You have to hope that they'll be more careful at least 😅
@Brandon Gavin Its good to teach them of the danger but after that its in their hands as to whether or not they do something dumb with it.
Too afraid or in denial of the darkaide they forgotten how to become the light, i bet even the clone wars era jedi couldnt make a wall of light like they used on exar kun
“It isn’t part of the Jedi code to decapitate someone after they’re already unarmed”
Me finding out that Mace Windu, one of the higher ups, did exactly that to Jango Fett.
Yeah but that might be overlooked because of the war with mandos millennia ago (despite the Jedi/sith wars being WAY older)!
Naa jango needed to die he had a lot of jedi blood on his hands even before the CW`S he had been killing jedis, he was to dangerous to be keep alive , get it.
@@cadbanebountyhunter5662 i see what you did there!
It's also been said in KOTOR that Revan decapitated Darth Bandon in their duel. In SWTOR, I believe that in a mission that a certain Sith scientist was studying Bandon's head, pretty much confirming it.
Wasn’t technically unarmed. He was known to be able to kill Jedi with his bare hands. So he technically was still armed
This makes no sense. A force user is ALWAYS armed, even if they have no arms, which is made evident in ESB when Vader force chokes Admiral Ozzel without lifting a finger.
James Suraci yes but gestures make it easier to focus force attacks. To use the force takes concentration. It’s easier to use gesture as training wheels to easily visualize how one wants to use the force
It’s like magic in fantasy, it’s possible in some genres like Harry Potter to use wandless or wordless magic, but it’s much harder without both
Yes but he couldn't breach his force shield, thus his force power was useless at the moment
@@christophersanchez7731 Okay, let me rephrase...a TRAINED force user is always armed.
You are starting to see through the lies of the Jedi.
@@jamessuraciart one word:Rey
I have to disagree with you about Form 5 being wrong for Anakin. In fact its the only one that fits. He doesn't have the mentality for form 2 or 3 and form 7 is too dangerous because of his mentality. Form 6 Niiman is for Jedi who don't prefer lightsaber combat which we all know Anakin does. Also Shii-cho form 1 while it can be used at a high level doesn't really use Anakin's physical strength to its full effect. That would just leave Ataru which may work for him bit has some serious flaws in it as shown in episode 1. Ultimately in my opinion I think Djem-so is the best fit for Anakin because it uses Anakin's physical strength while also having a defensive framework built into it.
Sean Allerdings I agree with you. And didn’t Anakin lose against Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar while using form 4? He was never wise enough for using Ataru in my opinion.
Teneb Kel aside from that first jump when the fight starts, he immediately goes into his aggressive Form 5 overhead stance and goes to work.
Slender Man 186 Could be a nice question for a debate, because you might be right about this. I’m not sure. I am really of the opinion that I can see number 4 being used by him later in that fight as well. Ataru is almost like mixed martial arts and if Anakin does not use that form, then I have to rewatch the entire fight. The way I remember that duel is that he changed style multiple times all through it.
Sean Allerdings exactly. I mean Anakin/Vader was literally known as one of the three greatest sword masters of all time and the best djem so specialist there’s ever been. There is no debate about this whatsoever. It fit him perfectly.
@@dazdavis7896 I know, I agree. SWRC said at the end of the video that he thinks that Form 5 doesn't work for Anakin. I disagreed and explained why I think all the other forms wouldn't work for Anakin and that Djem-so is the best fit.
It seemed as if majority of the Jedi Order had it out for Anakin.
Well he was basically an outsider, they broke rules for him that they had established for their order. It was like he was a member of the family, used by the family for their own benefit, while being ostracized. Basically, he was a tool to them and not a member of the actual order itself.
@@tsipher exactly he busted his ass for them and they seem to treat him like garbage outside of Obi-Wan
Anakin was removed from one slave master only to find himself a slave to the Jedi in the name of hypocrisy, only to turn into a slave for the emperor.
@@Hellraiser988 Yoda likes him to a degree, kept his distance because of his arrogance and love for Anakin
@@user-dx8nl9qm9d Yoda may have cared but never actually showed it
Everything anakin does the Jedi hate
They don't trust him, even though he's their best choice by far.
Anakin knew what he did was wrong, he said so right after he did it. Palpatine was probably seducing anakin to the dark side thru the force the entire time. I believe that’s why Vader hates himself the most, he realized palpatine was playing him the entire time
Honestly if a sith can use force lightning, wouldn't any hand be considered a weapon
Literally in clone wars when Anakin starts almost beating Dooku it's his left hand lightning that saves him everytime. Anakin was completely justified
@@magortom I agree, if he doesn't cut both of he could of turned the the right around, cutting off his head tho.....I mean I would of done it optically, but I'm not a Jedi.
@@Danosauruscrecks outside of principles I dont ecen see what difference it makes, were they going to jail a sith lord? Dude had enough connections to kidnap the Chancellor. Hes not staying in jail for long and Im honestly pretty sure they'd kill him anyway. They just wanna give him a chance to potentially escape first since thats clearly the true Jedi way lmao
@@magortom they only killed him because that's what palps wanted, think about what would happen if they didn't. They'd probably take him into custody and then find out palps was the one who turned him to the dark side, guys whole plan would of been screwed of anakin said naw he's under arrest, I mean windu was gonna take palps alive and he didn't even cut his hands off
magortom very true, Anakin beat Dooku many times in lightsaber combat were it not for Dooku’s force lightning
“Obi Wan’s forbidden strike” “Anikin’s forbidden form” - in other words, any moves that help you win.
Haha, funny fact. Darth Zannah (bane's pupil) studied "Soreso" because bane said it would suit best to her. The most defensive form 😂
This form's are technique like forms of fighting. Broken down movements. Not ideas. You can take the idea of djem so and apply it to soresu. Fight defensively, tire you opponent and crush him if the time comes. Which it basically is per normal. The only difference..obi wan would wound you and zannah just cuts your head off because you breath her air.
Lol
I prefer form II of lightsaber combat. Makashi is the best elegant form!
Agreed
I like ataru honestly
Makashi is amazing, but I think Soresu is my personal favorite.
I prefer form 5
But 2 isn't bad
If I was a Jedi I would try my best to master Form II, Form V and my force abilities
Also if the use of a lightsaber form can drive someone to the dark side then there's probably some other issues going on with that force user lol
The Jedi: Anakin is one of our best duelists, we should send him to risk his life cause it will serve us
Also Jedi: We should remove his form from the order.
Jedi: Anakins tactics and insights are doing excellent and we need his masterful level of skill and leadership in our circle
Also Jedi: You're on the council but you cant be a master
Bruh the order is garbage they just manipulate and use people to do their dirty work then frown on them to save face and feel holier than thou
@Offworlder1 wish we coulda seen that on screen, back to the books i guess
I get the same feeling from Albus dumbledore. Even in the fantastic beast he has is (former) students trying to do his dirty work for him because of the problems he's partially created.
Didnt Anakin improve upon several lightsaber forms? Specifically the blocking aspects of them? I think it was in rebels when Ezra was watching his hologram, that he mentioned improving on how blaster fire is blocked, and how it can be used to deflect sabers as well.
And yet Dessel (bane) teaches Darth zannah his apprentice form 3 of all things. Its about body type for styles. A man of Bane's RAW PHYSICAL POWER form 5/7 is an utter no brainer for a slight petite woman like Darth zannah form 3 focused on total deflection is needed. On Darth Bane so context before he is noted as force sensitive he mined cortosis in mines for over a decade so bane made most beefcakes look like a toothpick! Ani was by no means beefy so he could use other forms rather well (minus 4) yet his mentality was a form 5/7 user since his fight with dooku. This was a big red flag to anyone in the order past that. Yet four reasons he wasn't dropped for his aggressive ways.
1. His master is a council member.
2. He's politically connected with two nabooians Padme, and the supreme chancellor.
3. He's the chosen one so they just follow that kinda blindly
4. The second they dumped him the sith would be all over him like bantha.
Bonus
5. It's not like he wouldn't keep doing what he was doing anyways so they kept him to restrain him.
"For Sith to master under his strong style."
Shinsuke Nakimura as a Sith confirmed.
Good one.
I'm watching this in public
Be careful. Order 19 is in effect...
Mace decapicating some dude paid to fight instead of incompasitating him *infront of his child* :yea thats ok
Aniken killing someone who is the moral enemy of the jedi and killed or couldve later hundreds : *stop thats bad*
Anakin's Djem So overpowers Makashi & potentially counters the dedicated Juyo/Vaapad offense(which is the most dangerous lightsaber form).
Vaapad is dangerous but form 7 is perfected in anakins hands. He moved past form 5 flaws so it stood a chance against vaapad
@Wilfri Castillo never learned how to use it yes but he does know what it does by channeling darkside. But only mace mastered it's state of mind
So if Form V wasn’t the best form for Anakin, what do you think it would be? Love your theories and discussions!
I would say either form 6 or form 7. Form 6 because it was the jack of all trades form and had no particular strengths or weaknesses and it would allow him to focus on developing his force abilities and would perhaps draw him closer to reaching his full potential. I would say form 7 because he would use his dark emotions in combat but it would either turn him to the dark side earlier or, like Mace he would master the form and have control over his emotions but still be extremely powerful. But sadly he was banned from using it
Jalen the Aberration shame, he would have been a great Form 7 duelist
Kaid Butler Well if you don't count Form 7 since it's based on the Dark Side then I see Form 4 as his go to since he was also one for many flips and acrobatic moves when pure strength proved to be insufficient. Although I think he had the potential to be an excellent Form 2 practitioner if he ever stuck to it.
antman1001000 yes I could see that too!
Jalen the Aberration Form 6 would be a bad match for Anakin imo, he preferred lightsaber combat and getting up close and personal despite his power in the force. Plus he can be very aggressive in some instances, Form 6 is for Jedi who pick up their saber as a last resort. Form 7 or possibly even Form 4 would be a better match for Anakin if he had picked different from Form 5.
The Game of Thrones ending was terrible
Okay, but why say that here and now?
Jay Napier, I’m still mad about it
@@danielsokolov4821 But this channel is about Star Wars. Not Thrones. And honestly I thought it could've been worse.
Jay Napier , if the Star Wars Movies were as bad as Game of Thrones, u would know how I feel
@@danielsokolov4821 There are people who say they are. But I don't hate either of them
WoW.. was his style a precursor to his turn?
Area609Joe That makes the Jedi even stupider for not seeing Anakin’s turn beforehand which could have been avoided, in my opinion
Would just love to see an alternate timeline where Anakin doesn’t kill Dooku and how pissed Palpatine would be
I wonder how much Dooku's age affected his chances of victory against Anakin?
Fiji Unlimited I'd say some, but ultimately I believe even if Dooku had been younger Anakin would win thanks to his superior form and power just through a much longer and exhausting battle.
Aggressive form overpowers the most elegant form
In legend's timeline, age doesn't really affect combat or physical abilities since people lived for a long time in legend's real life restrictions didn't exsist like they do in Disney which I find stupid that Disney did that.
Palpatine actually instructed Dooku to dispose of Kenobi and go easy on Anakin and let him win. Dooku didn’t know that Palpatine was going to actually let Anakin go through with killing him, but he went easy on him in the fight because his master instructed him to. I’m not sure what he thought his master’s plan was one Anakin had Dooku disarmed, but he apparently had enough faith in his master that he didn’t expect him to allow him to go through with murdering him. Either that, or he was so loyal and invested, that he was blinded or chose not to follow that train of thought. If you watch his face closely, he is completely stoic after losing the fight until the moment Palps says “KILL HIM...DEW IT” and then the shock and pain of betrayal are clear in his final moment.
I think I saw this on one of Lore Master’s videos, and I think it was in the ROTS novelization as well. It really is an important factor that I wish they would have included in the movie. The original script also had Dooku begging Palpatine to get Anakin to spare him and essentially let the proverbial cat out of the bag regarding Palpatine’s true identity, but Christoper Lee argued strongly against it, as he thought it went against his character’s graceful, aristocratic personality. It’s interesting stuff...the first time I watched that scene after learning about all this, I had a whole new appreciation for Dooku.
Shien comes from Mandarin and is pronounced Shi en (like She and End), not Sheen.
What, you think those lightsabre moves have a glossy finish or were on Two and a Half 'Hands'? :P
On star wars theorys test i got form 5 but when i duel it like form 5 and 7
Normal Jedi: Noooo! You can't just cut off people's hands and heads!
Anakin: hahaha lightsaber go brrr
Jedi are such hypocrites.
TheGhostDogg100 At least the specific Jedi Order in the prequel trilogy and a lot before
So here is a good question. Based on the gameplay we see, what lightsaber combat form does Cal Cestus use in Jedi: Fallen Order?
He is confirmed a niman user form 6 but with a heavy ataru form 4 foundation for his acrobatics niman teaches the most about double bladed lightsaber tactics also dual wielding just to answer your question I love niman and cal is awesome
Worth considering that Form 5 is quite popular among the ancient sith lords for single wielders, with Form 6 Niman for dual wielders.
Love this channel, I listen to your videos when I'm working.
meh, removing hands in a galaxy that has advanced robotic hand replacements shouldnt be too big of an issue
Leave psychological scars on them
It's an issue for Jedi since certain force abilities can't be used with synthetic limbs
His outros always get me cuz their so dorky. Loved the video!
Wasnt the mon calamari that kit fisto trained to knighthood a user of form 5?
I don't think it's mentioned but I think he uses form 4
The one that got cut down by Grevious? Arrogant pup who thought he was way better than he actually was.
Real swordsmanship is equally hard in REAL life combat. Ancient kenjutsu and very few existing Europe manuals are probably the “backbone “ of the entire sith/Jedi sword kata/ waza. I’m still loving the Star Wars sword fighting. Thanks again for your show
Lol...once de-armed.
Anakin: Well master I've "dis-armed" my appointment Haha Haha.
Obi wan: I ment disable or remove his weapon Anikin!
Anikin: Oh shit, my bad!
The Jedi were arrogant, they think they’re all knowing but they’re not. They were constantly wrong and led people to walk the path of the dark side due to their failures. Revan and Anakin are the main people the order failed.
Luke Skywalker was a master of form five, both Sheen and Jemso, he almost fell to the dark side when going against Vador when he used Jemso (along with being emotionally manipulated).
Was there a lightsaber form that included enjoying a fight as part of its practice? I seem to recall there being one. Maybe form VII?
Yoda's main form is FORM IV: ATARU (The Way of Agression) and when he goes in on an opponent he goes in flipping and dart and swing that little saber a crazy speed to overwhelm his opponent. He sliced off two heads of two clones in one strike. Yeah they tried a sneak attack, but Yoda could have force pushed them instead. He said to Obi-wan when he he found out Anakin destroyed the temple. "DESTROY ALL SITH WE MUST!" HK-47 was correct. "STATEMENT: The Jedi only adheres to pacifism and compassion only when it is convenient." :D
Djem So is a great form, and I agree with Bane that it is the ideal Sith style, even more so than Juyo. Yet my preference for Dooku's Makashi will never change; I feel like it is one of the most intelligent form
Holy shit, these voice overs are wayyyy better now 😳🤩.
It's funny how both bane and anikan used dem so and both zanna and obi wan used suresu and both times the form three users won
Weird couple idea:
Zanna x Obi wan couple of defensive warriors
What makes lightsaber duels so amazing is that it is two people who both can sense the other’s actions. This is why Palpatine was so good. He was able to hide his power from others.
And as they grow in the force they are able to better overcome a weaker opponent. In theory, two people like Yoda and Palpatine could duel forever. And hats off to Yoda if he were unable to truely sense Sidious.
Had they explained this better it could explain Rey’s abilities. She would have had to have been the most powerful Jedi to have ever lived to be as good as she was w no training, and Finn wasn’t force sensitive but somehow dueled a fully trained Sith, but at least it would help explain a tiny fraction of the absurdity that was TFA.
Everyone forgets when rey and finn fought kylo in force awakens that he was heavily nerfed due to having a hole in his chest from a bow-caster and being conflicted over killing his father
Probably a preference/comfort thing. That's the answer
Jedi order: has elaborate rules about when and which hands to sever
also Jedi order: we are peacekeepers, really
I've never really understood the forms. Perhaps it derives from my own experiences in martial arts - but while a style or form may have its own characteristics, most styles and forms have a means by which to accomplish the same feat. This might only be exempted in the case of some more specific styles of martial arts - such as tai kwon do, which one would rarely use exclusively in real combat scenarios, the form exists as a disciplinary constraint for instruction and grading your feats of ... Feet. If you get into fisticuffs with a tai kwon do master, he may very well move right into a grapple or strike favored by hap ki do because it works and fits the situation.
We could consider this similarly with regard to the various styles of blade combat, which typically revolved around the shape/make of the weapon and the armor typical of the period. Something like a lightsaber can easily move from a fencing style to full on claymore and back into a flowing strike of a katana. In theory the blades are much lighter and thus mimicking overly large blades would seem to offer little benefit - but the whole idea is that a weapon style evolves out of the properties of a weapon and/or the manner in which it is employed on the battlefield - squad based combat being different from dueling, in particular with spears.
So I've never particularly understood how one would completely define a form in light saber duels, or why anyone of a practical mindset would actually practice a distinct form when actually fighting a war. Perhaps I am preaching to the choir when I say this - but it seems patently absurd that an order who is supposed to be willing to sacrifice their friends for the proverbial greater good would choose to lose a war over something as pithy as the way in which the glowstick of death was swung around.
Perhaps I just pointed out why anakin went absolutely bonkers, the force selected for both the jedi and the sith to be destroyed, etc, etc.
Like ... All the guy wanted to do was protect his mom, his princess-queeb-cougar, and make the world a better place. The jedi told him all of that was bad and he needed to let go of worldly attachment... And yet they were surprisingly unwilling to let themselves be removed from the world which did not matter. Space gaslighting, I tell you.
Awesome Video,
I personally love Form IV, if I could I'd most likely be bouncing off the walls in any given fight 😅😁
Since you're back, you thinking about doing more lightsaber form videos?
So a decapitation is wrong but cutting even one body part off and letting them live with anger completely fine
I read somewhere that Anakin used an hybrid version of Djem So and Juyo, but I'm not so sure after all DjemSo is very demanding Physical and Juyo is remove as the ferocity form
I left a like for *the greatest form 5 duelist*
Dooku - Skywalker is the finest djem so duelist he had ever seen
Form 4 (Ataru) has the same risks, only more emphasised. Plus, Djem So is rooted in a defensive foundation to allow for the fencing beta parties and counters, whereas Ataru is all-offense with occasional parries, physical strikes, and acrobatics. So in summary, they were wrong; Ataru was far worse in almost every way... Which means that Yoda was actually inherently closer to the Dark Side then, say, Adi Galia...
Seeing as how dooku used force lightning, the double hand chop is technically getting the weapon hands
Bane’s apprentice (zannah) was a form 3 user though?? Mainly focusing on having an impenetrable defense, well described in the second book of the trilogy
4:22 I want this as a poster!!!!
Did Anakin implement some bits of Ataru in his from ?
I believe he did. Atari is an all-out offensive form that uses force powers such as force speed and Djem So is the hybrid of Offense and Defense but as we see through the Prequels he uses incredible amounts of speed in duels so I would say yes he used some parts of it
Anakin's form was infamous for inflexible/difficult footwork, so he ended up borrowing some technique from form 4 to compensate, yes!
More reasoning why the jedi fell so worried about destroying all things they called the dark side to the point it was almost a witch hunt while actual embodiment of the dark side grows to power infront of them
It's not wrong to use form 5 dejm so but how you use it can be problematic or helpful
Even the order saw that passionate strike is OP
If the droid armies were equipped with Shotguns the Jedi would have had no chance!
One of many problems with the Jedi. They're so busy worried and scared their own will fall to the dark side because of something, they keep limiting the Jedi to a strangle hold. Giving into fear is not supposed to be the way of the Jedi, but there we are.
“Form five is bad”
Plo koon: :O
So, let me think about that: Form V was unexaptable for some members of the order, because it's too aggressive? What about Ataru? Judging Djem So for beeing too aggressive while allowing Ataru to become one if not the most popular form in the order is hypocricy. It's ridicolous. Atarus alternative name IS "the aggression form" which makes any debate regarding aggression obsolete. And don't make me start about Juyo. It's sole purpose is to violently kill or at least dismember your opponent in an "controled" berserker rage. It brings aggression and violence to a new level.
If someone studies Form V and is able to master both variants he or she is prepared for almost every situation. In order to protect someone or something you have be able to protect yourself, because if you're dead you can protect nothing. Defense alone is not enough. Sometimes you have to kick someones ass or cut his hand of to stop him from harming innocents. Effective selfdefense is not simply to block everything. It's defending against AND neutralize your opponent(s).
Are battle droids reasonable enough to negotiate? Are pirats whilling to turn their back to piracy, murder or their live of crime in general? Are terrorist willing to stop because you ask them nicely? Don't get me wong peacefull solutions are the best way to go. But sometimes you have to fight in order to survive otherwise you're only delaying the inevitable.
Soresu's defense alone wins no fight. That's the reason Ataru AND Shien/Djem So were created in the first place.
Durring their duel" Count Dooku instructed Anakin to use his anger. Anakin's first taste of The Dark Side Of The Force, given him by a Sith Lord. As he was manipulated by both Darth Tyranus and Darth Sidious. While Dooku was engaged in a saber duel with Anakin Skywalker, "simultaneously" he was also in a battle of the minds with Sheev Palpatine. With Palpatine pushing Anakin to use more of his anger against Dooku, and Dooku trying to turn Anakin against Palpatine.😒😩
Interesting enough based on the reasoning behind the creation of this style of form 5 Anakin was using it within the original Jedi use for the technique
I think Vapaad would have been a good form for Anakin if Mace Windu had guided him in the form. Windu used it to reign in his inner darkness so why not young Skywalker?
The Jedi at times were their own worst enemies, they were to rigid and followed a misguided ideology.
People acting like you have total control of how you take out an opponent that isn’t how sword fighting works. Force or no force, you see an opening and take it. Extending a duel because taking off someone’s hand is unethical is suicidal.
Cant you still use the Force without your hands? I find it weird that you couldn't
Wish someone would do a video explaining that strong style mentioned
With force lighting, sith don’t have a none weapon hand
you're starting to repeat yourself as much as Stupendous Wave. disappointing.
Dooku was using his saber dual handed at that time so both of them were weapon hands. Which makes it completely ethical and appropriate to the jedi code.
So djem so is a combination on form 3 defense, form 2 emphasis on lightsaber combat, and form ones problems of pushing towards the dark side.
So if I'm getting correct Djem So/Shien, is like Juyo/Vapaad but more aggressive.
I just realized the words sith and shit have the same letters.
it was a very good lightsaber deul
The Jedi forget the golden rule of a peace keeper. Si vis pacem, parabellum.
Its weird how they forgot Anakin cut off both of Dooku's hands in the comic we keep seeing in this video
That is what in jedi order stupid, i trained in historical saber and we were required to learn to fence with weaker hand to nearly the same extent as with the stronger hand, because when main hand is injured you can fight with the other hand, and that is why i think that anakin's decision to remove both dooku's hands to be exactly on point. Sorry for language i am not a native speaker.
Also, total pet peeve: it’s not the Clone War. It’s the Clone Wars. It’s not Star Wars: The Clone War, it’s Star Wars: The Clone Wars. I get that it was a war, but on a galactic scale with multiple fronts, it’s plural.
Because when you murder someone with your beam sword make sure you dont swing it to aggressively thats a no no.
Vader after Mustafar, found Xing Yi and switched to that, instead...
When a sith can shoot lightning out of their hands and choke people to death with mind both hands are their weapon hands
can you do a video on perfect forms for our fav characters? if form 5 wouldnt be perfect for anakin then should he learn something more defensive like obiwan
Out of all of the jedi that wanted Anakin to chill out and not be so aggressive , how many of them actually ever fought a Sith much less actually killed one .
Anakin killed more Sith than Yoda or Windu .
As a matter of fact NO jedi ( at the time of the clone wars ) EVER killed a Sith Lord except Anakin .