The ESSENTIAL Five Guitar Pedals For Great Alternative/Shoegaze Sounds...
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- How many guitar pedals do you need to get great sounds? The age old question! *Spoiler alert, it doesn’t include The Bad Monkey!!
I think there are only 5 categories of guitar pedal - Overdrive, distortion, fuzz, reverb and delay, that you really need to play alt-rock/shoegazy guitar and anything else is just a pure luxury.
In this video we're going to take a look at which pedals I have to do those jobs (they're not necessarily the best, just the ones I have). I hope you enjoy this, let me know if you agree or if you think I'm full of rubbish!
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Advice to people who are the only guitarist in their band: if you want your guitar to sound thicker, it’s nice to use a chorus with a small rate and a delay with minimum feedback and delay time. It will make your guitar sound like two guitars at the same time and it’s really useful!
Great shout!
Do that, then split it to two amps, dual mic the amps, take out a DI from each, send them to two emulators, send those both to FOH too, add a doubler to all six guitar channels you just created and play it all on a 12 string, IT’LL BE HUGE
@@martinvannostrand8488I’m too broke for that hahah
@@martinvannostrand8488 a 12 string with the sympathetics tuned on a perfect fifth. BOOM
@@339Jackscarify you are a genius
Disturbed by the sheer volume of empty Tabascos on the windowsill.
Haha! What can I say, I love tobasco!
@@thesethingsmakenoises Nothing but respect for a man who knows what he likes and reps it, lmao. This is an awesome video btw - I think TH-cam just read my mind that I was looking for a "wall of sound" guitar tone and this delivers. Came across a track recently that blew my mind - "offense mechanism" by defsharp. At ~2:55-3:10 it builds into a MASSIVE wall of sound (chills every time) and I think this is gonna help nail it. I never thought of just stacking and stacking different distortion stages but makes complete sense. I'll be trying to rebuild this in Helix Native. I'm thinking I'll probably go SD-1 into either a DS-1 or RAT, followed by a Big Muff or Klon Centaur, and then pick a delay VST (maybe a Space Echo) + Valhalla VintageVerb (or Shimmerverb with a modulated reverb).
Haha!
Ahh I haven’t heard that, I’ll check it out!
Those sound like really great shouts. When recording guitars to sound really big I find it can also help to double track your ‘big’ washed out sound with just an overdriven (klon etc) dryer guitar to fill in the mids!
First thing I noticed as well!
Happy to hear a video without blues riffs, and more related to what I like to play, keep it up!
Thanks so much! That was one the main reasons for starting this channel, most of the people making guitar content have a completely different style to what I like to play. Glad you’re enjoying it. ☺️
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So glad to stumble on this! Hope to see more content from you! I enjoyed it!
0:00 Intro
0:36 Index
1:13 1 Overdrive
2:58 2 Distortion
5:42 3 Fuzz
7:45 4 Delay
11:26 5 Reverb
14:33 Ending
legend! x
@@thesethingsmakenoises you could make these into timestamps which would get embedded into the video. it takes one minute and is super helpful!!! if you dont know how look it up, theres plenty of guides
Just checked your band out as well! Excellent! I’ll be following that as well! Can’t go wrong with The Plumes! Covers most moods, stacks well and a BEAUTIFUL clean boost in the middle position!
Thanks so much! Yeah it’s a ridiculously good pedal isn’t it. And for a reasonable price too
Really enjoying these. Keep it up Dan
Thanks so much Dan!
Great videos - liking the info 👌
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Amazing video man! I appreciate you going over all of the pedals and sounds, plus the riffs you played were awesome. The sound of you playing with just the Distortion and just the Big Muff was so nice!
Also I’d say I think you can give Kevin Shields a run for his money in the cool department 😆
Great video, mate. Thank you for your insight. Btw, I went to see your band's channel, it is solid. Congrats!
Ahh thanks so much!
Great to see how much you're enjoying this! And I'm like those empty tabasco bottles on your window sill: we don't know much about music theory, but the sound resonates with us 🔥 Fill TH-cam with great noises 🤘
Thanks so much Daria! There seems to be more and more each week haha!
The DD-7 really does not get enough love! Thank you! I've got a ton of delay pedals way more fancy than this little guy, but I really like my little pedal, so I added a tap tempo to it, and I still use it to this day
It’s amazing isn’t it! Totally agree with you. No way how did you add the tap tempo?
I use a Boss DD-8 and absolutely love it. I have an assortment of pedals by various companies and they are all excellent. Boss pedals are built like tanks and seem to last forever. I still have a Boss OC-2 Octave pedal that I bought in the early 1990s and it is still in amazing shape and never let's me down. I just came across your channel and liked & subscribed.
Honestly they never die, and I’ve stomped on mine for years pretty heavily. The switches are just so solid! I really think their ‘dd’ delays are really underrated.
Thank you so much for the sub!
@@thesethingsmakenoises I just used the exp/tap output on the dd7 :) You can make a DIY tap tempo pretty easy by yourself for under 10$, or you can get one of the ones already available. Its just a momentary spdt footswitch and a jack.
Best guitar/bass pedal ever.
Great setup. For me it's
1. Boss TU-3 Tuner
2. Korg Alligator expression/volume pedal
3. Boss SD-1 Overdrive
4. Strymon Timeline
5. Strymon Bigsky
6. Boss TR-2 Tremolo
7. Wampler Ego compressor
8. MXR M234 Analog Chorus
I run a modern Marshall so no distortion needed.
That sounds like an awesome setup!
Great stuff mate. Nice to see a few familiar units in there that don’t break the bank
Thanks bud! Yeah a lot of affordable goodness out there!
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Thanks for a great video!
Love this video and it's great to see Shoegaze still alive n kickin 30 years on. From someone who was there 1st time around! Also, worth underscoring that the verb should be first or early in the signal chain - as you have it - so the verb tail gets washed with drive, to create that ethereal wall of sound. Subbed. 🎸
Ahh no way really!? I always had the verb this way, but recently tried it the other way and thought I’d developed some new cool sound haha!
I’m gonna do a video on a fuzz into octave reverb sound that I think it’s awesome
This is a very helpful video for someone like me who just began learning to play guitar and who wants to emulate in some way the bands he discovered as a youth in college (early 90s). Thanks!
Couldn't agree more, I'm pushing 50 and am pleased the genre is finally getting the respect it deserves!
I've been debating whether or not to get a delay pedal-- as i definitely prefer to keep my board really simple. I've been playing gigs with just two pedals (EH Soul Food and an LP B-1 Boost) through my Blues Jr with the reverb cranked and I love how it sounds. But, you might have sold me on getting one-- it honestly just seems like something fun to play around with to create that big wall of sound. Great video!
I reckon go for it if you can afford one. There's probably plenty of great cheap delays that'll get you some awesome sounds!
Really cool video! Nice to see some live for the Plumes, a word to the wise Earthquaker Devices pedals work really well on bass and its my always on overdrive.
Also, a complete coincidence I'm certain but the demo riff is so reminiscent of "If It's Here When We Get Back It's Ours" by Texas Is The Reason ❤
Ahh yeah I bet it does, the bassist in my band uses the soul food which sounds great too.
It was a coincidence, and I didn’t actually know that song, but wow that really does sound similar haha!
Loved this video, and you've got yourself a new subscriber. I know how hard it is to make these, but please keep it up. It's great content. Would you have any advice on how to get that super big drippy reverb sound that exists in these genres on vocals?
Thanks so much! I have actually been really enjoying it.
Hmm I’m not 100% sure on the technicality’s but I would start with a reverb with a long decay, and then recently I’ve been compressing the reverb to give like a longer tail without it over whelming the attack of the vocal. I guess off the top of my head a slow attack and then slowish release.
Finally I find like some sort of longish delay that’s also going into the reverb and turned down so it’s not obviously a delay but just gives more depth.
thank you for giving a brief overview and listing all the 5 pedals at the start first, instead of going through each pedal one by one over the course of the entire video.
No probs! I find that annoying too ☺️
Great list, I've never been much of an overdrive type of player as I much prefer fuzz, but the Plumes sounds awesome, might have to get one!
Liked and subscribed!
Thanks so much! Yeah, they really are awesome pedals!
I use my plumes stacking it into an hizumitas and sounds amazingly huge
that jazzmaster + plumes sound combo is a thing of beauty
Your touch is pure magic.
Great second show Dan...looking forward to the next...J
Thanks so much! ✌️
That last pedal, wow! I can understand why they guy in the shop told you you'd buy it! Maybe a future vid idea could be explaining some of your Jaguar settings if you use it that much? That guitar has always been a mystery to me! Keep up the good work, Dave.
Hey Dave thanks so much! I do love the strymon bluesky!
Yeah sure, although mine is a lot simpler than the ones with all the switches on. They’re basically pickup switches that turn different pickups on/off and then you have a kill switch too! Which is actually super annoying when playing live haha
Loved the video mate! I just subscribed 😊
Thanks so much Joe!
@@thesethingsmakenoises No worries!
Plumes and big muff are great on their own, but plumes into a bass big muff (with the dry blend on) is my go to! Love it to get some clarity in chords. Great vid, great pedals, and awesome playing!
Looks like i need to ‘borrow’ my bassists bass muff then 😜
@@thesethingsmakenoises give it a try! My favorite way to get fuzzy chords.
Dan, I know nothing about playing guitar but I’m really into this. I’m learning!
Haha thanks so much Brian! See you soon 💪
Great video and all good choices I think. I have a similar board and like to keep it simple only I can’t live without a chorus pedal. You are right about the DD-7 though the modulation is a thing of beauty. Have you ever tried a Maxon/Ibanez SD9 sonic distortion, like a cross between a fuzz and distortion.
Yeah, I do have a chorus in my board, but doesn’t get used too much although the other guitarist in my band uses it all the time so maybe that’s why! Yeah the dd7 modulation is awesome isn’t it.
No I haven’t heard that, but I’m gonna have to check it out!
Hi Dan
Great video.
Please stop saying “my band” and start saying “my band October Drift”
You guys are amazing and more people need to hear you. Forever Whatever is one of the best albums of 2020.
Thanks so much Andy, that's really kind!
Love this episode .... well done .. I hit subscribe at 00:30 ..... I have a feeling that we love a lot of the same music and share some similar takes on guitar playing ...
Thanks so much, Ruben. Hopefully see you back here for more videos! ✌️
And here I thought I was basic, but we have extremely similar pedal boards! My drive is the Ibanez TS9DX, same circuit as your Plume. It has additional modes that increase the lows, mids, gain and output level. It lacks the clean boost mode that the EQD Plume has. I also have the DS-1. I sold the first one I got but ended up buying another because it's pretty much mandatory to own one. I've never owned a Rat but I have had that same love/hate relationship with the EHX Big Muff, i.e. one breaks so you immediately by another. I've gone a time without a DS-1 but I've always had a Big Muff. My currrent one is a Nano I bought used, but not the orange Op-Amp version. The modulation and ambience section of my signal chain is a little bit sparse and less bourgie. For now, I have an Ibanez phaser for slow, dreamy sounds and a chinese micro-pedal with 11 modulation types I found for about $30 on Bezos-mart. My reverb is like a third of the Strymon in price, size and features but we only ever use a handful of settings with those types of devices after all, don't we? It has "wet only" output capability despite being mono and has a couple of delay settings. I have a modulated delay pedal on order, kind of an EHX Memory Man circuit clone and another distortion which houses 3 versions of the Rat circuit and a switch to change between them. Both were Ali deals. Less common shoegaze things I added were a compression pedal for clean boost and a cheap but decent sounding multi effects unit that I run through the effects loop of a solid state Fender Prinston.
Loved watching that. That reverb pedal ❤ neeeeeeeed!!!
Thanks Jason!
Solid video!
I'm actually piecing together what I'd consider the "ultimate grunge/90s rock" pedalboard so I think I'll have to do a wee video on that subject 🤔
That sounds great! Will keep an eye out for it ✌️ I’ve got some more 90s alt guitar content lined up! 🤘
My style is more "dad rock/blues" but I enjoy this channel which I have just discovered, very refreshing from my point of view.
Thanks very much!
thanks , i was a little confused at first as why youd need a od, distortion, and fuzz.
Not enough alt/indie guitar channels. Easy sub.
Thanks so much! 👌
You should do a longer full board play through at the end of your pedal videos. Even being 5 minutes long, I’m sure everyone would stick around to hear!
That’s a good idea, thanks!
Jet Phaser (phaser with fuzz if desired) or Uni-Vibe (vibrato with chorus) and space echo (echo & reverb) and gain on amp should do. Rat is my fav ds pedal and yes KC used the DS2. Try the Boss BD-2, it is a high gain od should be a nice addition to Rat and DS-1. Keeping the gain low-ish in general gives you more dynamic range.
Those all sound awesome! Thanks Michel. ✌️
Love all of your videos, mate. Truly all of them. Had a quick question, how do you feel the Plumes compares to a Blues Driver (if you've tested one)? Do you get a noticeably different tone out the gate?
Blues driver isn’t quite as loud/mid-forward as Plumes, I usually have my BD-2 always on and keep a Plumes in front of it in mode 2 with the level cranked and the gain at zero. Pushes the blues driver into awesome distortion territory
I really like that first lil riff you played.. what’s your band?
Brilliant sounds.
Thanks Neil!
Duuude im a new subscriber...love your videos...
Thanks so much!
I still have my Boss PS2 delay/pitch shifter on my board from 1987. It’s still fantastic.
Sounds awesome!!
This was super interesting to me.
I started off chasing a nirvana based tone, going after a chorus pedal (aria ach-1) and a distortion pedal (first a 70s morely distortion, followed eventually by a DS-2).
Btw, You're right, kurt used both a ds-1 early on and a ds-2 later, and that was a ds-2 in the photo.
In those early years for me, i loved checking out the old boss pedal guide catalogs because they had interesting ideas for tone. One used a DD-7 to simulate a sitar, so it was always on my list to get, and eventually i did get one.
Cobain also used a RAT and recently i heard a sound comparison of his distortion pedals that made me interested in getting one.
While my interest sort of floated to more of a gothic symphonic metal tone, i cant get away from my grungey alternative and dreampop dark wave roots, so when looking for more sounds i ended up looking at that specific big muff pumpkin pi pedal! I ended up with the jhs muff clone but i still kinda wanted the pumpkin pi.
I don't own an overdrive and don't think i need it being that i have a ton of distortion and fuzz now (dod grunge, digitech grunge, tech 21 sansamp, ds-2, jhs multi muff clone, devi ever's the legend of fuzz, and im still looking at either rhe plasma pedal or the plasma coil and the pumpkin pi as well as a RAT).
Ive got that old aria chours, a small clone, and a boss super chorus, and am looking at the poly chorus some day.
I wanted to add a dd-3 to the dd-7 purely for a sound listed in one of the boss books.
I had a boss phaser but never used it so i sold it. Looking at getting another phaser.
I do have an ibanez flanger, also rarely used.
I have a black rose octaver as well as a POG 2 that im learning about.
Anyway, i found it interesting how many pedals i had out of this list, and since the reverb wasn't one of them, I think I know what I'll go after next if I want something completely new.
Thanks!
Hey! Thanks for the awesome comment. Was really interesting reading this. The rat is a truly awesome pedal, it’s great that Kurt used one too! As you mentioned the muff too, something that could be an idea to look at is the ‘Warlow’ by JPTRFX it’s basically an old 1978 (I believe) muff circuit and a rat circuit that you can toggle between.
I had no idea the dd7 could emulate a sitar, I’ll track that down as that sounds awesome.
I used a plasma pedal on my bands last album, and they’re honestly great. You can get really cool sounds with the gated distortion coming in/out of verses and choruses!
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The manual or sound guide I have was actually for the dd-3, not the 7 (my bad), but if you play around with the 7 enough you can get it to sound like a sitar as well.
I'm going to receive the Devi ever Legend of Fuzz pedal soon, and at that point I'll try these things out to see if I still want a RAT or a pumpkin pi. It's hard not to want new pedals, but what you said about the plasma makes me want to grab that as well as the blue sky v2 thanks to your vid.
And the other comment is right... Mention your band name so people can listen, the sound you're doing is awesome.
Great vid, I subbed
Ahh I’ll have a go at it!
The Devi ever’s look so awesome. Ahh thanks so much! I just wanted to make sure I didn’t turn it into a band self promo. So glad you’re liking it though! 🙌
@@thesethingsmakenoises she made one called the shoegazer that seems to go for a bunch these days. I asked her if she'll ever make more and she said "someday probably"
Awesome!
The DS1 can sound very harsh if you don't tweak the knob to your situation, but it has some cool sounds, and stacks extremely well with others dirt boxes.
Yeah 100%! Definitely all about how you dial it in with that pedal
I've had a DS1 for years as my only dirt pedal, into an entry level solid state amp. It sounded pretty horrible and I would avoid using it mostly. I've upgraded things through the years, and yesterday I was playing with my band and stacked it after an EHX Glove overdrive, into a tube amp, some chorus and delay, and it sounded amazing!
I stack my Boss Distortion after my Superoverdrive think it sounds amazing
I love my ds-1 and it sat on my shelf unused for years
With HO pups I use it as a clean boost or a treble boost
They’re really underrated I think. Ultimately need to be dialled in right like you said thought.
Awesome video, I think also a big part of this sound is the chords you are playing too. What are the 3 chords you are rotating throughout, they sound really interesting 👍
It was filmed a while ago, but I think it’s the I,III,IV Pattern. In this case I believe C#,f,f#
Great video and some interesting conclusions - am of a similar view. I run into a marshall guvnor which I set as a warm break up/overdriven sound and pretty much have on all the time. Distortions have played with 2-3 over the years - find Rat's like you unreliable and have never taken my DS1 off my board (had it since first in a band in late 80s). Using an MXR Distortion + as well which i just the love the tone of. Then my first ever delay pedal a DD3, have the PS2 too -and then a Big Sky for the reverb... I also have pretty much always used a GE7 to give me an additional distortion type sound and a Dyna Comp as a clean boost if i'm switching between guitars with different output volumes.
Those Marshall pedals look so good! Am I right in thinking they’ve reissued them all now? Sounds like you’ve got an awesome mix of pedals!
@@thesethingsmakenoises I had an original Guv'nor from 1991 after reading that it was the basis of most of Joey Santiago from Pixies guitar sound.. that one sadly died a few years ago but the re-issue is every bit as good as that was. Yes they re-issued all of the original ones, the shredmaster was on the board of Kevin Shields and i think its the basis of Johnny Greenwood's sound on the bends.
That sounds awesome. You have no idea how long I spent looking at the shredmaster about 6 months ago and gave up because I couldn't find one, only to see they'd reissued them recently! I may have to get one.
Are these listed in a good pedal chain order?
Hi! Nice video! What about pedal Order chain? And how you set the volumes matching amp clean? Thank you!
I think I could probably make a full vid on that but quickly,
Whammy first
Overdrive
Dist
Fuzz
Delay
Reverb
Definitely experiment though, because most shoegaze is reverb before fuzz but I set it up this way for live shows etc.
I basically have all the distortions progressively louder, so OD slightly louder than clean and then dist louder than OD and finally Fuzz the Loudest.
@@thesethingsmakenoises thanks for the reply, a video on the topic would be really interesting!
Kurt used the DS1 in the first nirvana album, Bleach, then he moved on to the DS2. Recently I bought the 1 and use it boosted from a tube screamer ts9 Wich sounds pretty cool, and then for more high gain a big muf tone wicker version, really recommend that muff if you're looking for more versatility but also have the chance to get the classic big muff sound
Sounds like a great setup mate!
Have you seen/ tried the DOD Rubberneck delay? Fun to be had there.
One thing I’ve wondered for a while, as someone who started out on a solid-state Squier amp (single channel) and went to a 3-channel amp (two modes per channel), is whether Shoegaze is predominantly a “pedals for dirt” genre? It’s funny how some genres always seem to be played with predominantly amp drive/ distortion, and others cleanish amps with stacked gain pedals.
I haven’t no!
Umm I’m not sure, I think probably a bit of both. Some people are using amp distortion and some people are using pedals. Actually I use a bit of both too!
do you have a recommendation for a isolated power supply for like 4-6 pedals? looking at the truetone cs7 and voodoo labs 4x4 but maybe you know of a sleeper
The fuel tanks seem good. But I love voodoo labs. The strymon is meant to be amazing too Tbf!
Where do you recommend you put your waw waw pedal...first or your last pedal...imo i would put it last since you haft to work it to the rhythm or riff but i would like someone elses thoughts.
Yeah I guess it would just depend whether you wanted the sound of the wah to have the effects stamped on it before. I would personally try it both ways and see what you prefer. Might be that for some stuff it works better first and some after!
That was the idea behind recording without pedalboards when my band went to record recently. It means you try things that maybe aren’t supposed to work and sometimes get surprised with the outcome… Sometimes they do just suck though 😂
Loving it was that first riff original? gave me sunny day real estate vibes sounds fantastic nice chain for sure
Thanks! Yeah I was just kinda making stuff up, although that riff was similar to what I play on my band (October Drift) song ‘Oh The Silence’ but I do love Sunny Day Real Estate. ✌️
@@thesethingsmakenoises rock on I’ll check that out!!
@@thesethingsmakenoises dude I checked out October drift feel down the rabbit hole of songs and so many of them are amazing such a great vibe just picked up a few albums on iTunes ima tell my friends need more bands like yours! Tons of good songs but so far my favorite is probably forever whatever deserves a spot on the forever playlist right next to when the sun hits
So sorry. Just seen this! Thank you so much for checking us out. And I am so glad you’re digging it! 🤘
Great video, took me forever to watch though cause TH-cam has decided it needs 4 sets of 2 unskippable adverts on a 15 minute video -____-
Thank you! Oh no way!! TH-cam actually learns how tolerant you are to ads, so if you skip past ads in future that should stop happening as much?!
@thesethingsmakenoises I'm literally always skipping them though?!
I use the vox delaylab, zoom 70 cdr (very similar shimmering reverb to big sky), fab echo, rat, big muff, ibanez analog delay, daddy o overdrive, and some other oddities i enjoy the boss distortion too good selection
Sounds like an awesome setup mate!
I think a chorus or phaser pedal added to those would sound amazing too
Great shouts!
The flanger will make a comeback. Mark my words.
@@joehoppard814 I’ve got a small stone somewhere!
@@thesethingsmakenoises yeah, I love mine. The MXR Micro Flange is an underrated gem IMHO. Lots of The Cure type sounds in there.
The bands where I used my Yamaha Phaser were the best.
Great video, keep doing! May I ask, what amp do you use with these pedals? And a bit more about the guitar. Are these P90s? I really like the sound you get. Do you use Boss DS-1 with overdrive on? I have this pedal, and personally I think it's pretty unsusable on a clean channel, very thin and harsh. Thanks!
This one would have been with my DR z max jr I believe, but I’m actually selling that. Gonna do a vid on it before I do though!
Currently going through a Marshall origin. Try rolling off the tone a little on the DS-1! What amp/guitar are you running?
@@thesethingsmakenoises Currently I have Blackstar HT20rh mkii and solid state Fender Princeton 65 from the 90s. Blackstar have two voices on the clean channel, one being very clean fender type and other one is slightly overdriven. In my experience DS-1 sounds very thin and harsh one the clean and pretty decent on the overdriven. Btw, I remember the infamous metalzone to behave in the same mannner. To make it sound ok you have to be on the overdriven channel. So, I'm wondering how do you use DS1 in the video.
Sorry I must have missed this. I've actually got a backstair can coming. The DS-1 Can sound thin on its own, but it does cut through a mix really well! I do tend to have quite a lot of bass dialled in on my amp so maybe that helped with the brittleness?
Strangely my bands bass player uses the metal zone at points. Sounds pretty sweet!
Nice video. Sounds like you were jamming around on a Fazerdaze tune. (Not that that's bad.)
Thanks so much! 🙌
I love that blue sky reverb but pricey . The Nobel's OD is good as is the Boss Bluesdriver .
It’s great, but yeah agreed! I looked at a tv electronic t2 reverb which looked amazing for only like £100 but the shop didn’t have it when I bought the blue sky.
Agreed! I actually had a blues driver for a while and it was an awesome pedal
Noob question. How do you guys do your recording, I have a focusrite interface here and I’m planning to buy these pedals soon because I wanna make some shoegazey type of music. But my question is, is it fine if I directly connect all these pedals to my audio interface? Or buying an amp is must? I have an amp here but it’s a fender practice amp champion 20, idk if that’s okay to use for recording tho. I’m still a newbie at music production tho but I know the basics. Any tips and suggestions would be a great help, thanks in advance!
Hey yeah I mean you can go direct in, does your software have any amp sims? Alternatively I reckon your amp could work! If you have an sm57 or something similar you could record through that.
Failing that. Check out the ‘joyo American pedal’ it’s a fender twin emulator. If you put that last in the chain you could record straight into your interface through that and should sound better than direct in.
I’m thinking of making a course breaking it all down in the new year actually!
@@thesethingsmakenoises wow, thank you for sharing this. I will definitely do some research about that joyo American pedal and will wait for your video breaking down all the details and gears to be used for recording directly through the interface.
Do you stack your dirt pedals? And would you even use the 3 of them simultaneously?
Yeah I do! In a live setting I use overdrive pretty much always on, mid distortion for like pre choruses and stuff and then fuzz when it kicks off.
Recording, I’d normally just do either OD and distortion or OD and fuzz
Great choices! I have a very similar board. I’ve been sold on Rat’s since the early 90s, have you heard the JHS modded one? It sounds killer.
I haven’t played it but it looks awesome!!
@@thesethingsmakenoises i also added the Soft Focus which is another must have.😅🤘🏼
Sick!!
Hey, great video! Just wondering, what camera do you use for filming these? It looks great! Thanks! :) - Conor
Thanks mate! It’s the Canon M50. And I’ve got the 14mm ‘pancake’ lens on it.
@@thesethingsmakenoises thanks man! 🙌 your band are sick btw! Cheers from Ireland
Ahh thanks so much! 🤘
Which amp do you use?)
When you described the use of a fuzz, I immediately thought of "...This goes to 11..."
What are your thoughts on the russian big muff?
I’ve only ever got to play a clone, but I thought it sounded awesome!!
If you have a good delay already id reccomend the ehx memory boy for really weird ambient silly noises, very goofy pedal.
Very cool tones! One thing I disagree with, though. I love muffs, but one thing they are not known for is cutting through a mix. Scooped mids and all that, cheers!
Thanks so much! That is very true. However, the op amp version does help to fill them in a little and when combined with the OD pedals that can really help too ✌️
@@thesethingsmakenoises a tubesreamer into a muff is one of my all time fave tones, agreed!
I have that Kurt pic on my wall in a frame, its the Boss Feedbacker/distortion
It’s an awesome pic isn’t it!
U missed flanger I have an old electric mistress flanger deluxe that even at a low setting makes the signal awesome for messing about with. Pog 2 is good for jack White type sounds with a bit of fuzz or dist through it.
Fair play! I’ve never managed to make ‘flanger’ pedals sound good. I reckon I must be doing something wrong. Haha! I’ll have a look at getting the electric mistress though as they look awesome.
The classic ada flanger has the best tone I've ever heard. Not all of the bells and whistles of many newer pedals but it sounds ridiculously good
I love you guitar it is gorgerous. What model is it?
Thanks so much. It’s the 2016 limited edition jazzmaster with a bigsby. I bought it ‘used’ (it looked brand new) for a great price back in 2017. Unfortunately it’s been gigged to death since and definitely wears the battle scars now.
Finally!!! A guitar video without blues riffs!! Thank you mate. You are a God send. Great sounds!
Thanks so much! That was pretty much my sole reason for making these videos haha
I think these are great for any rock player in general
Thanks! I agree. It’s annoyingly hard with genres etc because I borrow my playing from so many different ones. But it’s hard to tell TH-cam who to show it to. But yeah i guess anyone playing any sort of ‘rock’ music could benefit haha!
Kurt used a ds1, he changed to a ds-2, but for a long time used a ds-1. This change might have came when Pat joined them on tour, not sure though.
Ahh no way really? Awesome!
These pedals are indeed the most important to buy, but i think a compressor and eq are really important aswell, and people tend to overlook them cause they rnt so obvious.
Yeah that’s a really good point!
Yeah I couldn't believe how much of a difference a decent compressor makes when I first got one
For me: OD- Boss BD2w or Way Huge Red Llama, Dist: Rat or MXR 78 Badass (a better version of the DS1), Fuzz: EHX Op Amp Big Muff or DOD Carcosa, Delay: DOD Rubberneck (only dedicated delay I have), Reverb: General use, EHX Oceans 12, specialized use, Old Blood Noise Dark Star, Walrus Audio Slo or Keeley Parallax
All awesome pedals and your list reminds me to try some of them out!
Kurt used the ds-1 on nevermind and bleach, the ds-2 didn’t come into play until 92’ I believe, even then Kurt just used the DS-2 on the original ds-1 mode.
on bleach and it's tour kurt used the ds-1. He also used it extensively on the nevermind recording sessions as well as a little bit of the ds-2 and maybe a big muff for lithium. on the Nevermind tour he used the ds-2. on the in-utero recording sessions he used the sansamp classic. For modulation: none on bleach that I know off the top of my head, Nevermind: EHX Small Clone Chorus, In utero: EHX polychorus and the echoflanger.
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What about a shimmer ?
Love the Cloak by Catalinbread, sounds dark and weird with Acapulco Gold 🤘
Shimmer is awesome isn’t it! Luckily the blue sky has a shimmer setting on it too! 🤘
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Really informative this, mate. Thanks for sharing! Interestingly I've the Plumes and the Op Amp, and I'd not quite found the best way to stack them. I've also gone for a cranked BD2 as my "distortion".
You done much with stacked delays?
Thanks so much! That all sounds so sick mate.
Hmm not too much actually, we got sent the JPTR FX Ferweh and that has dual delays etc and they sound epic which I guess is kinda stacking
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Blasting these pedals right at the camera unfocused wrecks my eyeballs , are you trying to beat me up with that effect ? 😮
Do some vids on how to play some of your songs 🤘
Will have a look at it!
Kurt Cobain used both a DS-1 and a DS-2 over the years
I actually use a ds-2 for my own shoegazey music, bought it because I was a huge nirvana fan and wanted to sound like cobain. Also love the pfp 😊
Pretty solid list, if you are going to go all out on effects, I guess reverb and delay are good ones to do it with. I use a Volante and a Ventris. I really like the drippy reverbs on the Ventris, if you are on a budget, I think the EHX Oceans 11 is hard to beat.
Thank you!
Oh amazing, I wasn’t clued up on the ventris, but have just checked it out. Looks amazing! EHX really do make some great affordable pedals don’t they!
@@thesethingsmakenoises Yea, I love EHX. my only issue with the Ventris is that you have to plug it into a phone or PC to get the most out of it, but its really two reverbs that you can run in series or parallel, in stereo you could run a different reverb to each side.
@@masterofreality230 Ahh right so you load up the IR’s. I guess that’s cool in a way but annoying at the same time haha
@@thesethingsmakenoises Yea, there would be no way to have enough knobs on the face of the pedal, just too many options, but you could at least load up 8 or 128 with midi and use presets for say a show for instance. But yea, I almost sold it because of that.
I love exploring pedals the truth is i can get by with only dd8, ds1, bd2, rv6
I need those Guitar pedals
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Does it cut through the mix?
Yes, but… I add loads of mids into my amp, and have recently bought a Marshall to help cut through more. And playing the overdrive into the fuzz definitely helps with that too! I guess the jazzmaster helps me to sit above the bass too
Don't sleep on the Boss BD-2 Blues Driver. That thing is severely mis-named. Sure you can play blues with it, but it has crazy horsepower, way more gain than any overdrive, and it sounds great at many points on the way up, including all the way up. Its a no-brainer for Nirvana/shoegaze type sounds. Turn the gain up until it turns into a distortion; keep going and it almost turns into a fuzz. Wish I'd know what it was sooner. Waza version is alright as well, but there's a subtle difference in the EQ (less upper mids I think) and I like the original a lot better and its cheaper. Its always on my practice board, and always on when I'm playing; it even improves clean sounds with the gain turned down (tighter, clearer, with a little chime added). If it broke, I'd immediately buy another.
It also has a really mellow hi-pass filter in it, so it cuts out the rumble, but not a ton. I run the BD-2 before the Op-Amp Big Muff with the gain on the BD-2 at minimum without dropping out. Really tightens up the Big Muff by getting rid of that low rumble (its EQ before compression, so the quiet rumble doesn't come out as mud when the Muff compresses it, got that trick from J. Mascis). Something with a more aggressive hi-pass like the Boss SD-1 will tighten and brighten it even more.
Also, Boss DS-2 Turbo Distortion is awesome. Sounds like In Utero (because that's what he used on In Utero).
I would replace distortion with modulation (specifically chorus). Overdrive and fuzz should be enough dirt (for me personally)
Yeah that sounds like it would really work!
Anyone else want to share their own five+ pedals?
Here's just a note for me to remember to put these together for a try. Really want to own an Astral Destiny. May swap out the DD-5 for a modded Keeley Ibanez AD-9 + dual expression controller inputs.
BD-2
DS-1 // eye mod
ZVEX Fuzz Factory
DD-5 // jack out fx loop mod for CE-5
Empress Reverb (+ if i could afford it EarthQuaker Astral Destiny for those shimmer 5ths)
That all sounds awesome. I love shimmer stuff too
Reverbs seem to be the only effect you really can't cheap out on. The more it cost, the better it is - usually..
I reckon there’s a lot of truth in this!!
Eh Slo by Walrus Effects is pretty decently priced and it's one of my favorites.
Or the DigiTech RV7 for a great reverse reverb.
Do you think the fender player jazzmaster with the humbuckers is a good guitar for alt/grunge
Edit:dude I love the way you play it’s my exact music taste fuck yeah that reverse delay was sick as fuck stay gold brother
Hey mate, I think they look amazing. I know the purists would say they’re not meant to have those pickups, but from what I’ve heard from the demos they look epic!
And thanks so much!
Watched for 2 minutes and 30 seconds at half speed before I realized it was my playback settings and not a bit
I love plumes. Use it on everything