Yep, legend has it, when these first appeared, they found out that propping the engine cover open, (for cooling), actually made the car faster, due to the improvement in aerodynamics..
I love that this series put the vehicles front and center. There's no need for flashy production when you have someone that knows their stuff, combined with an incredibly wide array of interesting automobiles. Colin does a great job of explaining the hows and whys of the appraisal process. While I'm no collector, I've been fascinated with cars and motorcycles for more than five decades and am definitely enjoying the information (and of course the autos themselves) being shared here.
I owned two FJ40s during my HS and college days in the 80s. The 2F straight six is a complete dog unless you remove the smog pump and emission controls and install aftermarket headers. Still an icon and cool vintage 4x4. Really nice example here.
Its interesting that he says we Europeans dont do the restaurations with the same quality as the Americans. But at the same time our presenters tell us the same about American restaurations. I believe it hardly depends on the workshop and what amount of money the previous owners were willing to pay...
Having inspected quite a few "restored" historics imported from US to EU, I laughed so hard when I heard this sentence, instantly started to go through comments, looking for some European mates who know our potential :) But to be fair, in this particular case, given how factory Ferraris or Maseratis are put together, I wouldn't benchmark european restoration quality on Italians XD
That's not what he said. He was talking about general standards (as opposed to quality) being strived for. He noted that European restorations are typically focused on returning vehicles to their original state, making them appear as authentic as they were when new as possible. He contrasted this with American restorers who are often trying to achieve an end result that is better than new, less authentic. As he said, in his view the Europeans typically don't "over restore" cars, they don't make them "better than new". Something that he explained elsewhere in these comments that he both appreciates and strives for in his own restoration work, while acknowledging that there are always exceptions on both sides. To me, the way he defined the typical European standard of restoration is the textbook example of what restoration is all about, whether you are talking about cars or any number of other things. If anything, I felt that it was a compliment to the European restorers rather than a putdown.
@@VirtualGuth Yeah, you're probably right, I get the gist (laughing at Italians myself a bit, although I love these people for their unique ways), but it sounded kind of twofold, and I guess not only for me if it had to be explained additionally in the comments section 🙂 Peace✌️
@@pirul Well, like he often says, he can't possibly go into as much detail as he'd like with the time he has to work with here. Of course behind it all, you have Hagerty - who wouldn't be doing any of this if it weren't driving more business their way. Sometimes I look at the quantity of content they produce and can't help but wonder just how much I'm helping to pay for it all given the cost of my policy (especially when it comes to those overly flashy Cammisa videos), lol.
I'm a great Hagerty fan, but this time I have to prove a couple of things in this episode. "The European standards of restoration are not high as ours", really? At Pebble Beach (for example) three quarter of the cars are restored in Europe, same for the "best in show". Second, restoration means bringing the car back at how it was in original not to over-restore it . Third, the pin and bolt on the engine lid latches are original. Anyway, that car, in my opinion is not completely legit.
Generally I think we can agree European restorations are largely focused on originality and function vs. the largely American standard of over-restored cars that get idled on and off of show fields. Note I did not criticize European restorations at all because I, too, restore cars in the classic sense: back to the standards of when they were new and to be driven. This isn't to say some European restos aren't Pebble Beach perfect or some American restos aren't made to be driven. Hard to take a deep dive on certain concepts in 5 min of air time, hope this clears up my intent with the statement. Thanks for watching!
“European standards of restoration are not as high as ours (American)” is the most American thing I have heard. 😃 Even the word “restoring” means that you get it as close to its original state
This reminds me of customized mini trucks and trucks with welded in and shaved roll pans. Absolutely ZERO collision protection compared to bumpers but damn cars/trucks without bumpers look cool when done right.
I think he explained himself pretty well. By the time he finished with all of his commentary regarding this matter, it struck me as very complimentary of the general European standard of restoration - where restoration is all about returning something to its former, original condition. Not better than new, or "over-restored" as he put it, but as it once originally was.
@@VirtualGuth Still it doesn't mean it's lower standard of restoration, and that's literally what he said. I understand what he wanted to say, although it's also not true. Not far away from me is a company that does rebuilds and restorations (specialized in Bentleys) and they do a lot of modifications to this cars to allow owners to either just drive in todays traffic or take part in historic rallies (electric fan, forced coolant flow, oil cooling, oil pump modernization, change of electrical system from 6V to 12V etc.). Some of those cars are sported in Peking - Paris Rally or Alpine Rally and many others . And that's sort of industry standard for restoration if car is meant to be driven or used in historic rallies.
The FJ40s was made until 2001 here in Brazil. Only the initial units were gasoline. From 1962 until the end of production, its poiwertrain was diesel four cylinders engines, Mercedes-Benz (OM-324, OM-314 and OM-364), and the final series Toyota 14B units.
the one nut on the Abarth rear hood is correct. If you remove it, the hood comes off by moving sideways in the hinges. Also, Carlo Abarth thought he had a cooling problem. He propped the hood open and the cars went around the track 5 mph faster, case closed. The invention of the Whale tail! Abarth!
Correct me if I’m wrong but Colin said this FJ has a “Stovebolt” 6 but in reality it has a revised “Turbo-Thrift” 6. Technically, only the first generation in-line 6 (1929-1936) was called the “Stovebolt”. Toyota did use a version of that engine designated the “B” gasoline engine until about 1948. It was replaced by the Toyota “F” engine which was a revised second generation (1937-1961) Chevy in-line 6 and that engine had the nicknamed “Blue Flame” 6. Toyota used that engine from 1949 until about 1975. It was replaced by the F2 engine, a revised version of the Chevrolet third generation (1962-1988) in-line 6 that was called the “Turbo-Thrift” 6. From what I can see of the engine in this FJ, it appears to be a 3rd Gen Turbo-Thrift 6.
I was shocked to learn there was any similarity at all. I thought it was just a Toyota industrial post war engine that was dead reliable so they ran with it.
Actually I didn't say it had a Chevy 6 at all...it's the original 2F Toyota engine. The little factoid box on the screen though did say Toyota copied the "same basic architecture" of the Stovebolt. Which, perhaps arguably lol, they did! Thanks again for watching!
I'm 6'2" and fairly fit, I had a 1972 Toyota Corolla for a while... I literally couldn't wear shoes to drive it or I couldn't get my legs under the steering wheel. Sounds insane but that's how tight it was. Once driving non-issue, but getting in was interesting! I'd love to try one of these and see if the issues are similar. Apparently the modern day 1.4L turbo jobs are a lot of fun, too, and much more accessible.
I loved the 40 Series, great details. Although I think some of the "improvements" are downgrades, but thats just my thoughts. Everyone likes different things.
AZ FJ huh? You gotta have the AC and the hell with the smog equipment. Spare tire tool kit? Other than an occasional gravel road, this highly valuable FJ will probably not be doing any off-road duty.
From my opinion (i had 3 cinquecentos and an Abarth original one) that's a réplica.....the Abarth parts from the engine looks reproduction ones, that's not an Abarth radial head and the fuel tank its the same as every Fiat 500, .......today you can take a regular Fiat cinquecento and make a very good réplica but....original parts for a expert are easy to identfy......🙃
FYI, it's pronounced "Aa-bart". Yeah, I know, weird, but that's how it's said, missing the h. Wonder if that kit is still available, or if it fits the 500 Giardiniera ? The lid is not kept up for cooling, and certainly the down force line was a jest? They're propped open because they don't close - the modded motor gets in the way.
“Random guy” here- the one who applied what he saw over a 2 hr in person appraisal to the general market insight from fellow expert and friend who saw it over a FaceTime call for 4 min, yes! All factors are considered to arrive at a final number. Documentation, originality, known history, current condition, mechanical fitness, etc. all factor into my final number. Thanks for watching.
It's a 1976.Many states are starting to crack down on this stuff, for example, this FJ couldn't be sold for road use at a California collector car auction without smog today. Only mentioned as it does factor into value for some buyers.
I had an 1983 version of the Toyota back in the day The very last of this version It was brilliant Still regret selling it today Sure brought back some great memories
Another great episode !! ..was excited to see the Toyota ! And learn a little more about them...been a bucket list car lately...hopefully some one will bring in a 1st gen Bronco for you to go over :)
I find it funny when someone mentions european restoration standards being lower...when most botchjobs on european cars originate from...the US xD. However, yeah...euro standard is more focused on running and patina, preservation rather than renovation. It's because of that, that several cars in the US that are from european brands and are in showcondition actually lose value in europe due to the lack of original parts or official reproduction parts.
For me it's not an original Abarth... just the color alone is a big giveaway since they were never produced in yellow... a lot of other details are wrong/incorrect...
Wait a minute... Is that a 24 hrs of Lemans fuel tank? You could drive it for a very long time... I am kidding about Lemans... Still it is super cool. The Toyota, meh, who cares? A $20K P.O.S. Maybe pull the running gear and make a tube frame rock buggy.
The FJ was a reversed engineered Jeep, with a copycat Chevy straight six. I'm from the Caribbean where the Japanese market roams. Scrapped many American, Japanese and European cars. Upon my findings, Toyota lost me with their unoriginal 'Legend", thanks to Jeep and GM.
Yep, legend has it, when these first appeared, they found out that propping the engine cover open, (for cooling), actually made the car faster, due to the improvement in aerodynamics..
That’s what’s known as a win-win lol
I love that this series put the vehicles front and center. There's no need for flashy production when you have someone that knows their stuff, combined with an incredibly wide array of interesting automobiles. Colin does a great job of explaining the hows and whys of the appraisal process. While I'm no collector, I've been fascinated with cars and motorcycles for more than five decades and am definitely enjoying the information (and of course the autos themselves) being shared here.
I owned two FJ40s during my HS and college days in the 80s. The 2F straight six is a complete dog unless you remove the smog pump and emission controls and install aftermarket headers. Still an icon and cool vintage 4x4. Really nice example here.
'The Legendary Indestructible FJ40'
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Hahahaha my god so on point
Land Rover has disconnected :D
Antiques Roadshow with classic cars?! I could watch this all day long.
Its interesting that he says we Europeans dont do the restaurations with the same quality as the Americans. But at the same time our presenters tell us the same about American restaurations. I believe it hardly depends on the workshop and what amount of money the previous owners were willing to pay...
Great point. Quality has nothing to do with a specific country!
Having inspected quite a few "restored" historics imported from US to EU, I laughed so hard when I heard this sentence, instantly started to go through comments, looking for some European mates who know our potential :) But to be fair, in this particular case, given how factory Ferraris or Maseratis are put together, I wouldn't benchmark european restoration quality on Italians XD
That's not what he said. He was talking about general standards (as opposed to quality) being strived for. He noted that European restorations are typically focused on returning vehicles to their original state, making them appear as authentic as they were when new as possible. He contrasted this with American restorers who are often trying to achieve an end result that is better than new, less authentic. As he said, in his view the Europeans typically don't "over restore" cars, they don't make them "better than new". Something that he explained elsewhere in these comments that he both appreciates and strives for in his own restoration work, while acknowledging that there are always exceptions on both sides. To me, the way he defined the typical European standard of restoration is the textbook example of what restoration is all about, whether you are talking about cars or any number of other things. If anything, I felt that it was a compliment to the European restorers rather than a putdown.
@@VirtualGuth Yeah, you're probably right, I get the gist (laughing at Italians myself a bit, although I love these people for their unique ways), but it sounded kind of twofold, and I guess not only for me if it had to be explained additionally in the comments section 🙂 Peace✌️
@@pirul Well, like he often says, he can't possibly go into as much detail as he'd like with the time he has to work with here.
Of course behind it all, you have Hagerty - who wouldn't be doing any of this if it weren't driving more business their way. Sometimes I look at the quantity of content they produce and can't help but wonder just how much I'm helping to pay for it all given the cost of my policy (especially when it comes to those overly flashy Cammisa videos), lol.
I'm a great Hagerty fan, but this time I have to prove a couple of things in this episode. "The European standards of restoration are not high as ours", really? At Pebble Beach (for example) three quarter of the cars are restored in Europe, same for the "best in show". Second, restoration means bringing the car back at how it was in original not to over-restore it . Third, the pin and bolt on the engine lid latches are original. Anyway, that car, in my opinion is not completely legit.
I completely agree with you Giancarlo, the quality standards of European restoration are in fact higher - or more focused on originality.
Generally I think we can agree European restorations are largely focused on originality and function vs. the largely American standard of over-restored cars that get idled on and off of show fields. Note I did not criticize European restorations at all because I, too, restore cars in the classic sense: back to the standards of when they were new and to be driven. This isn't to say some European restos aren't Pebble Beach perfect or some American restos aren't made to be driven. Hard to take a deep dive on certain concepts in 5 min of air time, hope this clears up my intent with the statement. Thanks for watching!
@@colincomer4566 I caught the drift of what you were saying while watching the video and thought that you chose your wording wisely.
It’s ok man. The world knows Europe will never be as awesome as America. Americans still love ya!
It's a fact that America is the most awesome. Not denying that 😉
“European standards of restoration are not as high as ours (American)” is the most American thing I have heard. 😃
Even the word “restoring” means that you get it as close to its original state
Oh My God that FJ40 was gorgeous!
This reminds me of customized mini trucks and trucks with welded in and shaved roll pans. Absolutely ZERO collision protection compared to bumpers but damn cars/trucks without bumpers look cool when done right.
“The first thing you want to look for on a FJ is rust”… don’t have to look far on my FJ for rust!… it’s everywhere lol
Mine too, lol.
That LC is awesome
In AZ emissions are only required in certain areas. I'm 25 miles south of Tucson and NO testing required.
Can someone call Jason Cammisa to teach them how to pronounce "Abarth"
He did a nice segment in the Lancia Delta Integrale Video
🤣🤣🤣
My Italian girlfriend has sleepless nights over this 😂.
Teach them how to pronounce "Old Man Emu" too while he's on the line.
I sure do miss Barn Find Hunter...
That’s one cool Abarth.
The FJ 40 is very sweet, one hot Toyota. 😎👍🇨🇦
Def enjoyed from start to end.
Keep living life to the edge on that Abarth... Piece of art
2:25 'The European standards of restoration are not as high as ours".
Mhm
let him live in his dream :) ,the prices tho are mad!
I think he explained himself pretty well. By the time he finished with all of his commentary regarding this matter, it struck me as very complimentary of the general European standard of restoration - where restoration is all about returning something to its former, original condition. Not better than new, or "over-restored" as he put it, but as it once originally was.
@@VirtualGuth Still it doesn't mean it's lower standard of restoration, and that's literally what he said. I understand what he wanted to say, although it's also not true. Not far away from me is a company that does rebuilds and restorations (specialized in Bentleys) and they do a lot of modifications to this cars to allow owners to either just drive in todays traffic or take part in historic rallies (electric fan, forced coolant flow, oil cooling, oil pump modernization, change of electrical system from 6V to 12V etc.). Some of those cars are sported in Peking - Paris Rally or Alpine Rally and many others . And that's sort of industry standard for restoration if car is meant to be driven or used in historic rallies.
@@autka_me Mhm
Man I just love the old Fiat 500 styling
The FJ40s was made until 2001 here in Brazil. Only the initial units were gasoline. From 1962 until the end of production, its poiwertrain was diesel four cylinders engines, Mercedes-Benz (OM-324, OM-314 and OM-364), and the final series Toyota 14B units.
the one nut on the Abarth rear hood is correct. If you remove it, the hood comes off by moving sideways in the hinges. Also, Carlo Abarth thought he had a cooling problem. He propped the hood open and the cars went around the track 5 mph faster, case closed. The invention of the Whale tail! Abarth!
Correct me if I’m wrong but Colin said this FJ has a “Stovebolt” 6 but in reality it has a revised “Turbo-Thrift” 6.
Technically, only the first generation in-line 6 (1929-1936) was called the “Stovebolt”. Toyota did use a version of that engine designated the “B” gasoline engine until about 1948. It was replaced by the Toyota “F” engine which was a revised second generation (1937-1961) Chevy in-line 6 and that engine had the nicknamed “Blue Flame” 6. Toyota used that engine from 1949 until about 1975. It was replaced by the F2 engine, a revised version of the Chevrolet third generation (1962-1988) in-line 6 that was called the “Turbo-Thrift” 6. From what I can see of the engine in this FJ, it appears to be a 3rd Gen Turbo-Thrift 6.
I was shocked to learn there was any similarity at all. I thought it was just a Toyota industrial post war engine that was dead reliable so they ran with it.
Actually I didn't say it had a Chevy 6 at all...it's the original 2F Toyota engine. The little factoid box on the screen though did say Toyota copied the "same basic architecture" of the Stovebolt. Which, perhaps arguably lol, they did! Thanks again for watching!
@@colincomer4566 I stand corrected. Thanks Colin. Really enjoying the series.
@@NovaResource glad to hear it! Now, will Donald Leavy join us for this episode? I'm anxious to see you reply to him again! lol
@@colincomer4566 🤣 I’m sure Don is quite livid you had the audacity to “compare” an Abarth to an FJ. 🤦🏻♂️
In this episode we get to see a very simple method of jacking up the prices unnaturally, boosted by today's TH-cam algorithms.
love this series keep it up
I wouldn't fit in it but would like to try. Really sweet little ride.
I'm 6'2" and fairly fit, I had a 1972 Toyota Corolla for a while... I literally couldn't wear shoes to drive it or I couldn't get my legs under the steering wheel. Sounds insane but that's how tight it was. Once driving non-issue, but getting in was interesting!
I'd love to try one of these and see if the issues are similar. Apparently the modern day 1.4L turbo jobs are a lot of fun, too, and much more accessible.
@@boingkster that's hilarious, I'm about the same size as you are and still want to give it a go.
Great series of videos!
Nice truck 👍
I know it’s off topic but what watch are you wearing? I like the red dial!
Well, not THAT off topic for this episode...it's a driver's watch from the 2015 Mille Miglia. If you survive you get to keep it. :)
Hey Haggerty we'll never stop driving-
Most of us gotta work for a living 😉
Little known fact, the 40 in FJ40 is a reference to the percentage of body rust Toyota anticipated in terms of perceived durability.
Actually it was they can still function properly with only 40% of their metal remaining. 😀
@Colin Comer lol!
I loved the 40 Series, great details. Although I think some of the "improvements" are downgrades, but thats just my thoughts. Everyone likes different things.
Tough decision. Jeez. Utility for me. But dang, zipping through a canyon road in the Fiat would be glorious.
AZ FJ huh? You gotta have the AC and the hell with the smog equipment. Spare tire tool kit? Other than an occasional gravel road, this highly valuable FJ will probably not be doing any off-road duty.
Those old fiat are my favourite 😍
This is the Fiat I was waiting for!
I had a 92 Japan only limited edition 4.2 V6 Turbodiesel cruiser - I dont know how im going to beat that
You don't really need the preview ahead of the videos, I'm already here, hehe
Id pay so much money for the engine to pop out of the back like in Castle of Cagstriostro (thats probably typed wrong). Amazing little beast.
Is that the correct windscreen for that year of FJ40?
From my opinion (i had 3 cinquecentos and an Abarth original one) that's a réplica.....the Abarth parts from the engine looks reproduction ones, that's not an Abarth radial head and the fuel tank its the same as every Fiat 500, .......today you can take a regular Fiat cinquecento and make a very good réplica but....original parts for a expert are easy to identfy......🙃
FYI, it's pronounced "Aa-bart". Yeah, I know, weird, but that's how it's said, missing the h. Wonder if that kit is still available, or if it fits the 500 Giardiniera ?
The lid is not kept up for cooling, and certainly the down force line was a jest? They're propped open because they don't close - the modded motor gets in the way.
The Expert: These *start* at 65-75k
This Random Guy: its worth 60k
“Random guy” here- the one who applied what he saw over a 2 hr in person appraisal to the general market insight from fellow expert and friend who saw it over a FaceTime call for 4 min, yes! All factors are considered to arrive at a final number. Documentation, originality, known history, current condition, mechanical fitness, etc. all factor into my final number. Thanks for watching.
Maybe exempt for smog in California if Land Cruiser is 1975 or older. Perhaps in other states as well.
It's a 1976.Many states are starting to crack down on this stuff, for example, this FJ couldn't be sold for road use at a California collector car auction without smog today. Only mentioned as it does factor into value for some buyers.
One day I’ll hear an American pronounce Emu properly.
it's pronounced "eem-you", right?
I had an 1983 version of the Toyota back in the day
The very last of this version
It was brilliant
Still regret selling it today
Sure brought back some great memories
should have Colin appraise Jason in one of these episodes
He's a replica Adam Sandler in #4 condition. How's that?
If ypu could press a button to open the door for the engine like in Lupin I'd love that so much.
Cool!!! 👍👍👍
Another great episode !! ..was excited to see the Toyota ! And learn a little more about them...been a bucket list car lately...hopefully some one will bring in a 1st gen Bronco for you to go over :)
J is the factory code for land cruiser
3:13 see bolt
I once bought an FJ40 almost. :( Sad I didn't.
If he gets it running on two cylinders will it be worth 120 g?
No ;)
Cool😎
"Were going to lock you in a room..." while showing the bathroom in the background. Has that been the room this whole time?!
Lol the land cruisers like this in my country with the factory Diesel engine are worthless go to Nicaragua you can get this thing for dirt cheap
Jute!
FJJEEP
I find it funny when someone mentions european restoration standards being lower...when most botchjobs on european cars originate from...the US xD. However, yeah...euro standard is more focused on running and patina, preservation rather than renovation. It's because of that, that several cars in the US that are from european brands and are in showcondition actually lose value in europe due to the lack of original parts or official reproduction parts.
I doubt this os an original Abarth...
For me it's not an original Abarth... just the color alone is a big giveaway since they were never produced in yellow... a lot of other details are wrong/incorrect...
2 çyliñder çar get greàt full wçimy
Wait a minute... Is that a 24 hrs of Lemans fuel tank? You could drive it for a very long time... I am kidding about Lemans... Still it is super cool. The Toyota, meh, who cares? A $20K P.O.S. Maybe pull the running gear and make a tube frame rock buggy.
I wouldn't want to own either one of them
7.37 in my god hed never sell it. you could not even take it to the junk heap its not worthy what a dog of a guy
A 450cc twin in that Abarth? Hahahaha!
I wouldn't buy a motorcycle with an engine that small, outside a Ninja 400.
700cc in this case. A monster!
@@colincomer4566 Haha hangggggg on!
The FJ was a reversed engineered Jeep, with a copycat Chevy straight six. I'm from the Caribbean where the Japanese market roams. Scrapped many American, Japanese and European cars. Upon my findings, Toyota lost me with their unoriginal 'Legend", thanks to Jeep and GM.