Everything Wrong With Borderlands 2
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This game can have issues and still be great, I think people can’t separate fun with good.
My point exactly with these videos. In the BL3 one I even state that that's my favorite game in the franchise, but it's important to show the devs what the players love and hate in these games to hopefully keep them from avoiding mistakes in the future.
@@Ki11ersixAgreed.
I agree
The infection, cleaners based off the avenger, not the baby maker
Point remains the same
The fact of the matter is that EVERY Borderlands game has its fair share of problems.
Exactly.
Some more than other's.
On that same note. Evey game does
The lack of build/playstyle diversity at higher difficulties...really kills off a lot of potential fun. Sometimes you just feel like doing some real wacky shit in a game, y'know?
“The game has so much replayability” no it really doesn’t sure you can play as and build 6 characters but unless you’re doing an allegiance or some wacky run theres no point in building the same character cause when alls said and done that characters only gonna be built two ways. One if you’re planning on maxing op levels
Exactly
I'm 100%ing it right now, and I'm seeing these issues come to fruition the most with Voracidous. Chose to 100% of TVHM bc I only wanna do side stuff for farms in UVHM to prep to farm for Rainbow. Anyway, even at level 56 with a leveled UVHM harold and slag, a bee, trying anshin shields, vitality relics, etc. Even with a grog I don't know if I could beat it. I am no casual gamer, and I farmed for gear, and I leveled properly. Why the hell is the only viable way to kill that boss through a fucking glitch. I swear, they made some of the content too hard. YOU HAVE TO MINMAX from lvl 50+. I can one shot the warrior in one cycle and slap every other raid boss with a few attempts. But on UVHM? with Voracidous? the game is no longer playable for anybody but masochists on those difficulties. xD
Good thing I am one...
On UVHM it's all just incredibly overtuned. It also feels weird to me, not wanting to accept good quest rewards before max level, etc. (Bc of the minmaxxing.) At the end of the day it's simply just bad boss design. AOE undodgeables? Fucking yeah right. They just become stat checks, it's not hard because it's actually designed well, it's hard artificially.
@@brendandrummond1739 Game's trash what I came to realize while trying to 100% it. Like the loot is not scaled to the player but the enemy that drops it like if u kill a lvl 32 enemy it can drop a lvl 32 weapon at best even if u are lvl 70 and there's the weird lvl capping the game doesnt tell u about. Like there is normal mode where the min enemy lvl is 1 and the max is 36 (39 in the fight for sanctuary dlc) so the max lvl loot u can get in normal is lvl 36. Then there is tvhm which has levels 36-50 and it raises a problem. Cause if u beat tvhm u get dropped to uvhm where the min level is 50 then everything scales to your level so u basically have to speedrun tvhm and hope u are not above lvl 50 cause if enter uvhm at like lvl 53 the enemies will also be lvl 53 but the loot you are using is only lvl 50 at best and in bl2 thats disadvantageous as fuck (it will take like 10 minutes to kill the shittiest enemy). Then there are the raid bosses which are plain bs and thats that where the boss is not even easier as a party of 4 people cause most raid bosses spam 2 attacks: 1. some op bs 2. Undodgeable aoe fart that equally damages everyone in the arena...who the fuck this was a good idea?! So u basically have to exploit them...if u can that is (voracidious and haderax cant be cheesed). Then there are the bugs mainly audio bugs which are atrocious that the game like gets a 200% volume increase for no reason. The vendors and money are useless cause the loot is always shit. So what u can do to get this 100% is: Beat tvhm go to the d&d dlc and there either spend all your eridium on rolling the vending machines to get decent loot or just rush trough it and do the same via buttstallion -> go to uvhm -> overlevel (anything above 60 or preferably 70) -> grind the best legendaries (sham shield, infinity gun, lyudmilla, etc.) -> wreck the raid bosses on normal.
FUN FACT: The cartoony cel-shaded graphics (dark outlines etc) was a fairly last min decision by devs after early footage which u can find showed it looking like every other avg shooter form that time so while the gameplays great its that decision that made this game iconic BUT im posting cuz i think the unintended benefit is that it has aged SO well, idk how much work went into the VERY cheap Switch remakes (10$ each or like 20 for BL2/TPS and ALL DLC for both on the e shop) but even compared to decent remakes like bioshock etc on switch the framerate lock is great, very little pop in, and felt so much smoother, and since its MEANT to look like a cartoon and not 'photorealism' i dont feel like im playing an old game with old graphics as it seems like an intentional choice
I think a good idea would be to Make the Grog Nozzle the mission reward for the Beard makes the Man mission. I hate leaving uncompleted/failed missions
Yeah balance is a huge problem. And I agree that OP levels are wildly unbalanced in how they're implemented (and the addition of that extra lvl 80 dlc was madness don't get me started on how scummy that is)
But my single biggest gripe hands down is the straight up NEED for a grog at high levels of play. Why do I always need this ONE SPECIFIC gun to succeed across all play styles that's just poor game design right there. A katrillion guns but you will always have to use a grog, that's my biggest gripe with this game. And yeah that kinda goes to the implementation of slag, but also goes to a weird unbalance of healing and damage per character.
Edit: I have gotten all characters to OP10 solo in BL2 so don't come at me about skill or shit the game isn't balanced well across the board. Yes "Always needing a grog" is an exaggeration but no matter what character you play there's always just one path to being the "strongest" why not have many paths to that end?
I never used or needed it or tons of slagging for that matter. I’m an above average player, and only play on console so no mods,
@@djnes2k7may I ask what your build is?
@@djnes2k7”I’m an above average player” is such a great way to get people to ignore you. If there are ways to succeed without the grog (outside of headache inducing hard mode builds) it’s just better to name a few examples to steer people towards a possibly more fun experience then do a weird brag
@@djnes2k7 bully for you
@michaelscarport Just because you're ok with it doesn't mean it isn't just bad game design. You can enjoy something and it be poorly designed, and thats my biggest gripe with BL2. It's so enjoyable, but its an unbalanced mess.
As one of those elite players, I absolutely love op10 and use tons of weapons as it's really not as restrictive as people make it out to be unless you want enemies to die in less than half a second. Digistruct can be done with just a bee shield and a hornet, just replace the bee every 4-5 op levels. I agree with the cutscenes and dialogue issue, thankfully mods add cutscenes and dialogue skip. I also love the 3 playthrough, but that's just personal preference. The rest of the criticisms I completely agree with, mods fix lots of them, but they used to definitely be an issue and still are on console.
Yes you can mod the game to be perfect but that doesn’t excuse its faults. Bl3 redux makes bl3 perfect but that doesn’t excuse its faults. Modding any game can make it perfect but that’s still no excuse for their faults. Can you imagine years later if game developers just released sub par or lack luster trash and just don’t fix it and instead say “you want it fixed? Mod it.” People would have a field day with developers if that happened. “Yeah this issue is there but we can just mod it out so it’s ok” no it’s not mods or not ignoring something that’s wrong with the game is never ok.
Endgame balancing. That is by far the worst part of the game. I just can’t stand UVHM and the need to constantly switch to a slag weapon to actually do damage.
Worst part of BL2 - last playable appearance of Maya :(
I think you mean "only". No vault hunters are playable more than once.
@@peterthepeopleeater5697 :(((((( why did they have to do her so dirty !!!
True story. I love Maya. I go back and forth between her and Sal as my favorite to play in bl2
ive always liked the sirens, hope BL4 does Maya some justice!@@TheCameronsanderson
Maya was my fav female character.
I think my biggest issue with the game is survivability in the mid to late game. You don't so much tank attacks so much as abuse health gate religiously the Grog Nozzle is pretty much mandatory if you don't wanna go down several times in a row since getting a second wind gives you full shield not health which means you have no protection from immediately going down again the ramping bleed out feels like salt on the already existing wound as well
The fact that a majority of legendary/seraph/pearlescent weapons are just bad weapons
Heck sometimes blue and purple NON-Uniques were stronger too lol
@@Ki11ersix yeah and why all seraphs have low damage and bullet speed? Nothing says special loot like power crept loot,Glad I farmed tokens for that lol
@michaelscarport agreed why am I farming tones of crystals for mid gear? And over half the legendaries are more of an insult than a reward,no one’s excited to see a Madhous,bunny or emperor drop
You missed an important problem in this video, and that’s character balance. Character balance is essentially how good the classes are when compared to each other. Now, BL3 also struggled with character balance, but it was to a much smaller degree than BL2. The best example of this honestly, compare Axton’s skill tree to Salvador or Krieg. By level 20, Axton could get 30% gun damage, while Salvador gets moneyshot and Krieg gets blood bath. Axton’s turret could get a shield or rockets, Salvador can regen ammo and Krieg can heal off of overkill damage. Even in end game, no character really holds a candle to Krieg or Salvador in terms of raw power (maybe you could argue Gaige does, but Anarchy is a pain to play optimally).
To be clear, this doesn’t make Axton a bad character, he definitely holds his own in end game and has powerful enough builds. But, it’s not the same power as Sal or Krieg. It is true that there is no such thing as a perfect character balance, but that doesn’t mean that there should be an alarming gap between characters. It makes other playthroughs of the game annoying, especially if your first experience with the game is someone like Krieg. What is Axton’s equivalent to bloodsplosions? He doesn’t have anything close to that power, which makes playthroughs sometimes feel like a challenge run or just less interesting.
TLDR; Character balance (the comparison of how good a character is during a game) in BL2 sucks when you compare anyone else to Krieg and Salvador, and it hurts how replayable the game is. If you start with Sal or Krieg (like I did), every other character seems underwhelming.
There's actually another issue that directly relates to the one you just brought up, and that is that at a certain point, content becomes balanced around the characters that are stronger. When designing new content, devs had to keep in mind that... Salvador exists, and can trivialize almost anything with the right combination of weapons. So naturally, to make a challenging new raid boss, there should be a mechanic that is difficult for Salvador to deal with, but the problem with that is that Salvador isn't really powerful because of something truly unique to him, he's powerful because he does what you will do on just about any vault hunter (which is... shoot stuff) much better. So something that makes Salvador struggle is going to make Axton have a true 'come to Jesus' moment. And as you said, it's not that it's not doable. But there's a clear difference between character balancing, and if content is balanced around the existence of a stronger character, it's going to make less optimal characters feel a lot worse. The solution to a problem like that shouldn't be 'just play a different character.'
Axton has Tediore build that can raidboss, Gaige is awful for farming, Sal is well pretty unbalanced, Krieg was the most difficult to do one life in and Maya is pretty strong but not to insane
@@Halimat2.0 Yes, every character has their benefits and downsides, but what those benefits are and how they are given to players make casual players not enjoy the game as much. For example, Axton does have a tediore build that raidbosses very well, but how many players only want to use tediore weapons, and how much time are all of the players who have played BL2 only farming raidbosses? In a casual playthrough, Axton’s skills (by end game) are not as fun, visually appealing or generally good. Axton has viable builds, there are builds that even sweep endgame with the right gear, but you can’t say that the viable endgame Axton builds are in the same category as, say, Anarchy Gaige, Deputy Sal, or Bloodsplosion Krieg, in terms of how powerful they are. Again, Axton isn’t bad, there is no bad vault hunter in the entire Borderlands game series, but some are worse at playing the game than others, and BL2 has some of the biggest gaps between the power of characters.
@@keenetaylor8772 just use guns with splash on Axton like Torgue weapons or the Hornet and such and you can do normal op10 stuff easily the turrets even slag got you, the Phalanx shield counters the suction attack of terramorphous that otherwise is a guaranteed death (unless you cheese)
Gaige may technically do more damage with anarchy but if you die once your damage is way less
And Krieg is way worse in terms of survivability for the average player than Axton especially elemtal dot damage kills your Krieg fast
@@Halimat2.0Again, I'm not saying that Axton can't work. I'm well aware that he can, I basically mained Axton in BL2. The statement here is that because he has a much less overt and explosive power spike, it takes much more effort and frankly much more game knowledge to make Axton work than someone like Sal, or Gaige, or even Krieg or Zero. A lot of Axton's power comes from interactions that aren't clearly explained in the game, like Grenade splash and how that can be different from just regular bullets. Sure, it's something that would be obvious to someone who's played the game for a thousand or more hours. But again... not good design if to make one of the six characters work, you have to jump through dozens of hoops and understand dozens of technicalities, compared to another character who can work with minimal setup and effort. And to forestall a common quibble, I'm not saying Sal doesn't have mechanical complexity of plenty of technicalities to him. But you can make him work without having to understand much nuance because his power lies in very straightforward ways; use more gun.
I still remember when I was playing the absolute hell out of TVHM because I couldn’t afford the upgrade for UVHM (I was like 12 at the time lol) and I farmed some pretty good gear for my Zer0. Nothing meta because I didn’t know what it was at the time but was able to demolish enemies in my path and it felt GLORIOUS!
Imagine my utter shock when I finally did UVHM and faced that massive brick wall of a difficulty spike. 80% of my gear became immediately useless and I absolutely *had* to slag everything to even do a dent. I eventually powered through it but it was not a fun experience for me even to this day over a decade later.
That’s my biggest gripe is having to reset the story 2-3 times for the peak to get grog and other mission rewards… either make those easier to get or make other builds viable lol
Or, don't make a mission item so important to end game that your never finish the mission 😂
To be fair, Commander Lilith was completely free for a month I believe when it came out, plus it's included with the Pandora's box bundle, which is discounted if you own content inside it.
Doesn't excuse it completely negating something you purchased.
@@Ki11ersixplus that was for a month and with a complete bundle essentially. Not a forever free update like with Bl3s events
Well some people didn’t hear about it until it wasn’t free and now all you have is disappointment
@@doubleupload5620 Yep, that would be me, for example. A veteran player who didn't pay enough attention to BL2 news at that time and was too preoccupied with work. To say that I was disappointed would be an understatement.
I personally think that uniques should be their own rarity. They have a red text and making them blue just reduces the value of them making it seem like a lower rarity is better than a higher one. I mean I definitely agree that most uniques still shouldn’t be better than most legendaries and pearls but the point still stands. Having them be a separate rarity like seraph and E-tech wouldn’t lessen the value of them.
Just cause BL3 had worse pollution doesnt mean we can ignore it for BL2. Maybe it was my bad for trying to double Drunken Harold, but I dont think having the player use damage ticks as echo location is good either.
I can’t tell you how many times an rpg loader or nomad or a Goliath dual weilding rocket launchers downed me and activated some rapid fire mechanic and kept firing at me just to keep me blind. But hating on bl3 and looking the other way for 2 is the cool thing so I guess it’s ok right? 😂
Although I put myself through the hell that is UVHM on every character, I didn’t have it in me to finish them all plus DLC. The fact that it’s mandatory to run meta gear and skills, the majority of legendary and pearlescent gear are paperweights, and slagging every enemy to deal any worthwhile damage is what ultimately drove me away from BL2’s endgame, and I’ve never wanted to go back to relive my trauma ever since. I could even argue that I’ve spent more time in BL3’s endgame than BL2’s.
Same. I maxed ONE character all the way to OP10 and farmed the exact gear I wanted. That was Sal. That's it. Never want to do that again. When I play the game again, which I will at some point, probably running normal mode and then calling it a day
yeah as someone who did do all characters to op10 I will never do it again. After going for a more or less perfect Maya I'm almost burnt out on BL as a whole, but when I tried maxing a BL3 character I was amazed at how much faster it is. I haven't touched BL2's endgame since I started BL3.
alot of the legendarys are good if you build for them on the character that buff them and can be viable options to use even on op levels and especially during the op10 grind i often use legendarys or other uniques i normally wouldn't use just because they are strong and easily refarmable
The only thing better than barrel trolling your friend is forcing them to watch the dlc cutscenes as soon as you unlock the fast travel >:D
Every borderlands game needs to stop with the hidden damage math. I shouldn't need a phd to figure out what skills stack with what and how, as well as what skills scale with Op and mayhem or chaos levels. If it scales with end-game content, the skill card should show you the values you're actually getting.
I find myself strongly agreeing with you about Digistruct Peak. I actually really loved the Peak itself, it was a very fun gauntlet to run, for a simple reason; it broke up the monotony of end-game BL2. Honestly my biggest issue with BL2 is that a lot of the ways you powered up, or faced end-game content, boiled down to a really, really repetitive numbers game. You faced the same boss/named enemy hundreds of times, just to get a better number that you needed. There was absolutely nothing interesting about driving up to Hyperion Truth Network 300 times, Hunter Hellquist had zero interactivity. One of the main misconceptions I think the community has about critiques of BL2 ties into this, with the rate of legendary drops. I don't want higher legendary drop chances because I want things handed to me on a plate, because I don't want to put in any effort into the game. I want them to be higher because the 'effort' I'm putting in is desperately dull. If I wanted to put together a build strong enough to solo the Ancient Dragons or god forbid Voracidous, I would have to spend hours, maybe dozens of hours, farming specific pieces of gear in extremely repetitive ways. I would basically not be playing the game, I would be going through tedium so that I could play the game. That's just really terrible design in my eyes. That's one thing that BL3 did extremely right with things like Trials and how they work with increased loot drop chances. You're still doing the numbers game but at least you're actually interacting with the game while you're doing it. I'm not saying that doing a trial over and over again for hours didn't also get tiring, but at least for me it was far less so. I was still actually using my character, looking for ammo, taking cover, picking targets.
For all it's issues, Digistruct Peak gave that experience at the endgame of BL2. I'm still not a fan at all of OP levels, and I loathe that, say, I have to fight two Saturns, which is easily among the worst enemy designs in the game at OP10, but at least I felt like I was playing the game, and not preparing to play the game.
I think a lot of people like to wear the rose tinted glasses when it comes to Borderlands 2… specifically when they’re using it to crap on Borderlands 3 😂
When BL3 came out I automatically preferred it over BL2 but after dissecting its endgame and how many QoL changes that BL3 has I can’t go back to BL2 unless it’s for a mod or the community patch
Have you tried replaying 3? That’s the biggest issue the story, EVERY MISSION has MINIMUM 2 minutes of waiting for dialogue to finish or an NPC to slowly walk and it very quickly adds up
After 100%ing BL1 this became a very apparent flaw with the current designs. SO MUCH STANDING AROUND WAITING FOR SUBPAR DIALOGUE TO FINISH. Maybe we wouldn't hate the writing so much in 3 if we weren't forced to be inconvenienced by it. Rarely in BL1 are you not able to just keep holding W.@@christianc1120
No matter what bl2 will be miles ahead of bl3
@@Nothsa0121 Not really, story wise sure but everything else BL3 does objectively better
As a veteran slag was still my least favourite part of this game, it should’ve been reworked
Each Vault Hunter should’ve had at least two or three ways to easily apply slag via their skill trees
Slag at UVHM was 4× damage, it would've served better at 4.6× or 4.8×
Slag has no DoT effect, it should’ve had some small, or even medium DoT
And class mods or relics in general in UVHM should've given a "8% chance per shot to apply slag" effect on top of their already listed stats, or some other percentage to balance it out
Would've made late game far more build friendly and accessible to casuals
Unforeseen applied slag instead of shock when Deception broke
Axtons Phalanx shields applied instant slag to enemies that walked through the shields
Maya's Converge had a chance to slag all enemies pulled
Kriegs Raving Retribution had a small chance to occasionally fire a bonus homing slag ball
Gaiges anarchy stacks gain another 3% chance to slag with every shot per 50 stacks
These kinda changes could've made the game a lot smoother
I have over 15 thousand hours in BL2 and one of my biggest issues is the entire section from the start to getting into sanctuary is extremely tedious and slow spawn points are terrible, there is no way to easily get back to captain Flynt or that entire area for that matter if you want to farm anything. I think it partly due to Borderlands 1 doing its starting area so well that BL2's beginning area is disappointing to me.
It's nice that BL3 moved away from having enemies so bullet sponge-y that you NEEDED slag or a Grog Nozzle to get you thru the encounter- that being said IMO mission weapons like the Grog should have a chance to appear as world drops once you've completed the game/dlc. It can be made less effective to still make the game more challenging or better yet, increase the healing abilities of character skills or items to lessen the need for such an item. Also, as far as bosses at max level, how about allowing critical hits to ignore damage reduction? This would make fighting raid bosses like Dexi a lot less tedious.
the critical hits are the only ones on dexidious without massive damage reduction
People say that you don't NEED Slag to play UVHM, but that's a lot of BS. Non-slagged enemies will heal almost as fast as a Gunzerking Salvador that's right up in their face can damage them.
For me, it's how almost every item in the game becomes useless at Ultimate+.
In Borderlands, you can use ANY item at Lv66-69 and still be able to play the game. It doesn't matter if the items are white/green/blue/purple or orange. The same can be said with Borderlands: TPS and Borderlands 3.
Yep. BL2 has the WORST endgame balancing of ALL the games
well white, green and non unique blues should not be viable in endgame though otherwise it doesn't even feel like endgame
im not sure exactly what the last part means but there is maybe 2 non legendary weapons that can be used in endgame in bl3
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OP Levels and three playthroughs are the reason I never touched the very late game.
But the memories will make this game forever my favorite one. The ambient music, the story and the feeling when you finally get a good legendary made this so good for me
The new OP level change made all my friends so jaded and fed up with the thought of having to refarm their entire min-max perfect weapon builds that they just used a Save Editor to cheat past the entire grind. I honestly cant blame them, all thise years with no DLC or changes and suddenly you have to basically redo your entire character build from the start again by farming ALL of your gear.
Never been a fan of the difference in difficulty level being a enemies health pool and/or damage resistance. Bullet sponges are boring. I prefer tactics, being changed. The enemy had three moves, now he has five. Instead of getting in your face, now he is more standoffish and has a different weapon set.
Yeah Phantasy Star Online did this. They made enemies faster, stronger and even gave them a skin change.
Db xenoverse did the same thing. The ultra instinct goku boss fight on normal difficulty is a straight up nightmare; he dodges everything as long as he’s got stamina his moves hit like a semi truck and his kamehameha is basically chewing through your health, but if you do it on easy you take little to no damage and the ai is slower and dumber. That’s the kind of difficulty I like making a boss hard through mechanics not just buffed stats cheap gimmicks
It's very broad but I think the biggest issue is just "balance." I love almost everything in the game but the Balance no no good. It's similar in BL3, but I think BL2 is too hard where the looter shooter part doesn't matter and BL3 is too easy where it's boring. BL2 keeps me more interested but still the weapon options and everything feels too small. I don't even mind Slag tbh, I think it's designed somewhat bad but I think it's usable
I don't mind the level 80 grind, I just would rather want more locations to farm vs just like Bad Maw or Zafford
No game is perfect, even our favorites. Thank you for checking the rose tinted glasses every once in a while.
I always call out issues in all of the games I play, even the ones I love.
OP levels, more like poopy levels
Agreed, people hate on Mayhem Levels but they're objectively better than OP levels
@@kyledea187mdkjr5 Chaos Chambers are even leaps and bounds better than OP levels.
@@MyGamingThumbsidk man I’d rather do 10 boring OP levels than 100 boring chaos levels that has annoying modifiers.
@@kyledea187mdkjr5only thing I wish for mayhem levels is a progression system to go with it without the modifiers as well
@@br0br0123 I mean you can load up Mayhem 11 and use the Gun Gun
Funnily enough some of the issues i had at the start they actually fixed like having to keep playing the starting section which could now skip, one thing i will mention which was not mentioned as far as i can tell....DLC was actually finished way in advance as one of the DLC the Moxi wedding one had accidently included the whole of the crawmerax one and people on PC had hacked it and could play it months in advance
Big reason why I play this game with the community patch. To me the biggest issue by far is the scaling and slag. UVHM is just tedious, getting health gated after one hit and then having to heal with the grog. Level 50 TVHM was pretty well balanced and slag was optional. The scaling also just makes it so your items fall off EXTREMELY quickly after just a few levels, in BL1 you could use a good gun for basically the entire playthrough.
To anyone who says bl3 doesnt have visual pollution i say when i played it years ago i used the minimap during combat more than the actual screen
Oh it’s still bad lol
One of the more rare complaints I've seen is how mid-late game, the numbers for everything are so over-inflated, like no gun damage or shield unit is below the millions and it makes the effectiveness of your gear feel more cumbersome to keep track of or measure properly. The way BL1 scaled things with very scarcely stepping even into the 5-digit values and just amplifying damage reduction against higher-level enemies to make up for it worked alot better, there's even a mod that intends to re-implement that system into BL2, I believe it's called BLassic Mode
This video really shows the absolute dreadfulness of the end game in BL2. I see so many people complain about BL3 end game balancing like it's the worst thing in the franchise, but BL2 is far and away worse than BL3. And the character balancing in BL2. YIKES. I love the game to death, I really do, but there are glaring issues that people either refuse to accept or refuse to see. Also can't wait for the Pre-Sequel version of this series! For it's flaws, I still enjoy that game quite a bit.
Exactly
Very nice seeing people still talk about BL2, such a gem
Correction: melee feels great at OP10 IF you are playing as Zer0 AND you are using a Love Thumper...which means Read-only/dashboard/cloud save farming, because Love Thumpers with bad parts are a) very common and b) pretty much useless.
Melee Krieg feels alright at OP10 too...if you're only planning to kill 1 enemy with melee attacks so that Bloodsplosion will take care of the other enemies. Actually approaching enemies is awful, and Krieg doesn't have Decepti0n, so...
...yeah, melee vs. OP10 is bad lmao
I loved BL2. It's one of my top five games but the drop rate for legendary items was atrocious for a casual gamer. Like me. Tons of QoL changes, sure, but drop rates is the biggest for me. This is where I loved BL3. Sure, lots of useless legendary items but they were worth money and as you level up, you always need money.
I think Gaige could have a viable shock build just by doubling “wires don’t talk”. I would love to play her, and not have to use only Anarchy
I totally agree with you on the scaling comparisons of BL2 and BL3. I too am not one of those “Elite 1% Players” always rocket jumping, glitching, or using one or two “ perfect” builds for crazy damage. In BL2 the only class to play through OPs is Sal because he is just broken. But every other class starts falling short after OP 4, heck I would even say Gaige would have trouble getting there without focusing on anarchy and glitching. In BL3 I feel confident playing any class, at any difficulty, using whatever build I make, not even trying to copy those “God” Builds promoting crazy damage like most creators promote. Sometimes Moze feels squishy in those Takedown, but still not like playing OP 10 with any class in BL2.
One of my biggest gripes was if you don't farm you don't see legendaries. I played through BL1 and BL2 on Normal and TVHM back to back, mostly only story missions to grind characters. In BL1 I got 20+ legendaries and in BL2 I only got 2. I think there should be more world drop instances and stuff like skin/head drops shouldn't happen if players in the game already have them (i.e. TVHM warrior drop was taken by Jack mask). I feel like TPS was perfect in so many aspects but the game lacked content for me and felt too easy so I didn't play it much.
I agree with this video, it quite literally irons out why I don’t like BL2 anymore. Also one more note, me and the homies HATE UVHM and Slag
Oh I still LOVE BL2 but anything beyond TVHM just feels like a chore
@@Ki11ersix True honestly. Imo the last time BL2 endgame felt good to play was during the old level 50 TVHM days
I’m in awe of yall who can play beyond TVHM. Due to disabilities I will never get to experience playing a max level character in all their glory
If it makes you feel better I wish the game capped at TVHM level 50. That’s where it’s at it’s most fun imo
I hate slag, but i thought it was fine in normal mode.
It's when they made it like 300% more damage and scaled everything as if everyone's using the top 2% of gear AND FUCKING SLAG, where it really blows.
Ultimate Mode is its biggest problem. Many can make it to OP10, but the curve is pretty insanely hard.
I mean. To the point it becomes unfair and frustrating.
This is the most polite roast ive ever seen. Love the content. Hopefully they see this and make BL4 super dope
My biggest gripe with BL2 is that all the vault hunters are completely random in terms of balance. Try telling me with a straight face that Commander and Gunzerker are on the same level. I dare you.
Gaige is still the best.
@@minuette1752if you compare them by how much they scream yes
@@Halimat2.0 Nah she was just hot.
@@minuette1752 well if you go by who is hottest its gotta be Krieg, he is on fire
@@Halimat2.0 Nah Gaige by far.
What you said were Quality of life Improvements and I wholeheartedly agree with everything you stated, I hate having to glitch kill Hyperius and gate crush Gee because their fights aren't fun or easy to do with specific characters
The only thing I don't agree is normal mode being the best mode. I really don't think UVHM is as hard as people make it to be. I do agree with op levels being very unfair tho
I just mean it’s fun. Like you can use any gear, the play is smooth and you’re not having to sit in one spot grinding xp
Gearbox designs their maps with no idea of having a jet, a grappilng hook or something (old practices)
thats why were "cut", Ellie told you that in Sanctuary as a joke (but in Behind the scenes they told that)
The visual pollution is one of the things that annoys me, it makes it straining on my eyes when playing for an extended period of time. I also have two friends that would love to play borderlands, but because they have epilepsy they can’t play it without risking having a seizure because of the visual effects. A setting that could turn off or lower the visual effects would make it possible for them to play it.
I would love for them to be able to play borderlands one of my favorite game "series" of all time.
I get really frustrated when I get a legendary at an important part of the game, and It's a mod for a different character. Also there should be a unique legendary in Roland's chest. Finally, on PlayStation there is a glitch where the final lootsplosion in the Torgue dlc gets stuck below the ground.
I mean the lootsplosion is pretty disappointing anyways so you’re not missing out on much
uh oh I wonder how many people will get annoyed at this vid. It seems a lot of fans just throw all of BL2s issues out the window and just dog on BL3 nowadays. I love BL2 but it has so many issues and balance is probably its worst one imo. I am someone who plays BL2 up to OP10 ( Used to be 8 ) as well so I know it all too well... Also cant lie the build diversity is kinda meh in BL2.
Well, I started my EWW series on my FAVORITE, so let them say whatever. I'm calling out the problems in every game: th-cam.com/video/eZLvZTr9Erk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OMxlLES6SZLxHfCz
@@Ki11ersix Thats the best thing to do and what I do. I love this series and each game has major issues that need to be called out.
I love BL2 but to ignore the many flaws this game has is just silly. I would argue even the writing has flaws. The whole getting back to Sanctuary after it teleports is a huge waste of time. The fact that your character just stands in one spot whilst Jack shoots Roland is laughable. And I honestly wish Mordecai and Brick weren't supposedly killed and actually helped you fight the Warrior. It would've been more epic imo
@@masterknife8423 I actually don't think bl2 has a good story. I just think Jack is good and that's about it tbh. Plus I don't play bl for the story so to me 3 is the better game overall, although I still love 2 and regularly play it a ton.
Claptrap getting stuck happen to me for the first time yesterday lol. Never knew that was possible. I just walked away not knowing how to fix it, before I was gonna save and quit, it fixed itself
7:14 community mod "BSABT" (better spawns and better travel) lets you fast travel from anywhere and its fantastic. Dont have to quit to menu and doesnt break the game in any way except saving you half a minute a thousand times
Yeah there’s a bunch of great QoL mods for BL2
I'd say my biggest issue with this game is that I find quite a few of the enemies in this game to be incredibly annoying. Most notably threshers, stalkers, and rakks. I hate how threshers and stalkers seem to teleport all over the place and I'm constantly having to look around for them. One minute they're right in front of me and then they magically teleport behind me. For this reason I tend to avoid going to The Highlands as they seem most commonly found there. I've spent more time fighting those things than I should have because I'm always spinning the camera around trying to find where they went. Rakks are annoying because they fly around so fast which makes them hard to hit and they swoop down on your head when you least expect it. This is especially annoying when you're fighting large groups of enemies and then suddenly a flock of rakk comes swarming on top of you lol.
I don't celebrate Easter for the religious aspect. I do however have nephews. We dyed eggs last night and today I'm drawing Vault symbols on them. I told Ronan (he's turning 7 in April) and Kenny (just turned 3) to bring me all the Vault key fragments and he'll unlock the Vault. Then I have Nerf guns stashed away which will be used to defeat me in battle. I'll be wearing the Psycho Mask from the Bl3 pre-order and wielding a bunch of Minecraft melee weapons. The reward being baskets of goodies and money (from their grandparents).
Damn. That sounds baller.
This is the peak of living
That sounds awesome ! What a cool uncle. Also Jesus loves you ❤
@@bofygaming9672 thanks. Satan loves you more.
Thanks. Satan loves you more.@@bofygaming9672
100% agree with all your points, ive started to shift towards BL3 recently as my favourite. The gameplay is just alot more solid and in my opinion fun, plus the end game is just alot more enjoyable with more to do, less restrictions and alot more loot/build variety.
Same, I can’t enjoy BL2 anymore unless it’s with mods. The game is a whole slog to go through
Absolutely. In fact I wish Moze was in BL2 instead of Salvador. She's so much more of a tank literally and figuratively and could breeze through TVHM and UVHM with no problems
Slag dependency was a buzz kill for me. I just.quit and waited for BL3
I genuinely didn’t even realize level cap was locked behind a paywall, had the game on Xbox then switched to a pc and obviously just bought all the dlc’s but the fact that a portion of a paid dlc is locked behind another paid dlc is insane to me
They need to rebalanced end game so casuals can beat end game activities with out glitches and then add a switch to change it to current values for the elite who love the challenge as it is
I couldn't agree more with the endgame part. People keep saying how they'd like a BL2 remake, but I'd rather have an update to enable level scaling after beating The Warrior and make BL2 endgame accessible even on normal for casuals like me. I feel like I'm missing out on bunch of stuff (like seraph and pearl gear) just because I can't handle UVHM...
P.S. I know there are probably mods for the that, but I'm on console because I enjoy split screen a lot - much love for Gearbox for keeping split screen even in newer BL games
I remember finding out about op levels and how they work and ditching bl2 for another game at that time
I like BL2 but I can only imagine on the PC it’s optimal. I play on Switch, but changing weapons is too difficult for me. As a result all I tend to do is complete characters up until the end of TVHM and then just watch people on TH-cam.
I don’t really get the idea of the OP levels because I imagine you get more life/shield as you OP up as well as getting better gear. I would have thought it better if your gear only went to lvl 80 and then they had 3-5 OP levels that were there for the true hardcore players who wanted a harder challenge.
My biggest problem with BL2 is slag and how its implemented in uvhm.
To be honest, the most annoying thing is that in order to kill some raid bosses you HAVE TO use glitches. How can you even kill hyperious at op 10 with Axton???
What would somewhat solve the balance issues of endgame is actually optional difficultly increases, that have zero benefits besides the added challenge. Current bl2, BL3, and WLs "Best" loot is behind the highest difficulty the game offers instead of allowing players to get the best stuff at the level that they want to actually play the game.
Taking the BL2 OP system and just not having OP level gear with balancing around that level of player power would be ideal for more of the playerbase than it currently sits at. The people that want to use the most broken items but still have some level of challenge can play on OP10 and people that just want a fun power fantasy get to play and farm the same "Best" gear in the game at the same time.
Uvhm was a nightmare. I loved the game, I got super good at it and it was fun. The issue is I can’t use many fun builds because of balancing. Not to mention I can’t beat some raid bosses alone unless I have deputy Sal :(
My only issue with this game is the drop
Rate of items otherwise solid game solid dlcs
How is ammo regen being exclusive to Salvador not mentioned?
The fact i had to use eridium to get bank/backpack space was bad, im glad the third game fixed it
The OP levels and the the fact you need to use slag in order to do any damage is baffling to me how they thought thats a good idea
BL2 Fix + Community Patch pretty much fix most of these problems which sucks for console players cause they dont have access to mods and these mods just show us that the devs at gearbox could of gone and fixed these issues at any point but still haven't.
never played borderlands 2 but borderlands 3 is all i need
At least they had work arounds. I just used a mule and quit farmed most uniques. Take your max rank Sal and level up the next character (I got good at killing crash test dummies). Deployed that strategy in spades for prequel. Now I slum wartrash and enjoy something good like Elden Ring.
fighting master gee the real way (not using the gate crush trick) comes to mind
I personally think that the visual polution in BL2 is way, way more more jarring than in BL3.
interesting. I mean, obviously Krieg, Gaige and Sal all have some serious Visual Pollution
As much as I love my rarities, I have a problem with BL2's implementation:
Common: it's the stuff you use for early game.
Uncommon: It's common but good. Why is it in the game?
Rare: It's the end-game stuff for Normal Mode, but turns into filler after TVHM.
Very Rare: the top-of-the-class normal stuff. No such thing as a bad VR weapon, but what comes after it is...
Legendary: Bread-and-Butter of the Borderlands games. The unique and wacky weapons that EVERYONE is either using, or farming.
Seraph: They're there... they're just harder-to-get Uniques.
Unique: Not an official rarity, but they are the... unique non-Legendary/Pearlescent gear. A complete wildcard in performance.
E-Tech: Garbage most of the time.
Pearlescent: ...either ONE character specific, or just straight-up garbage that's there to let you showcase just how much you farm in the game, Butcher aside.
It's very bloated, and GB could easily remove a couple of them for future titles. C-R-VR-U-L-P is my ideal rarity system, and Unique isn't _really_ a rarity, more like an outlier of an already-existing rarity that's below L/P.
And while we're at it, Pearlescents shouldn't be weak. At all. In my opinion, weapons like BL2's UH, Norfleet, etc., and BL3's Plasma-Coil, Hellwalker, Soul-Render, etc., ARE Pearls. They're the best, bar-none, no matter what. They should outclass and outshine everything else that isn't on their rarity, but they should be hard to get. Like Norfleet-level hard to get.
Absolutely on point and the fact that so many people are still playing means they could change these things and people would be happy. Just not sure on the "why" that they haven't done these fixes and changes.
dont forget you also sometimes need to cap your fps to 30 when you first enter sanctuary or jessup will never open the gate forcing you to save quit and go through the whole replace the battery rigamarole
Having a boss with 5+ items in the loots pool is fine IMO! I just think that each should be a 1/whatever instead of them stacking so only one can drop so it's like 1/60 to get what you want!! I should be able to get a flakker, volcano, and random ass relic in one go if I get pretty lucky!
Man I’ve been with this game since launch. Most of these are just things I’ve accepted but yeah a lot of the leveling stuff ain’t ideal. I’ll never stop playing this game. And you can ask my grandkids when I have em.
kinda agree with the skill tree thing, too - TPS felt like they got someone really creative to go ham on the skill trees, and, well, bl3 feel a bit of a step back, but hey, modded action skills and the heroin that is legendary coms with build defining effects.
Ironically cloud kill has the same fucking problem most bl3 legendaries do - power scaling issues in endgame had them jack numbers up, but they didn't bother scaling it so only endgame damage was better, and it's broken as shit till way later.
It'd be really nice if gearbox hired some people who actually understand the term 'balance'. You can have powerful, effective, and interesting skills, and maybe, just FUCKING MAYBE, every new content update doesn't need to be 1.3x stronger than the last 'or else why play it', and not only jack up 100 items if you're going to add more damage.
Honestly, that enemy scaling would definitely be busted with stuff like Three Horn or other maps I can't think of off the top of my head. The kind of maps with really easily farmable high-power drops like the Unkempt Harold or Fastball. So maybe the idea of those maps not scaling isn't so bad because it forces players to use stuff other than the most broken OP items once they become under-leveled.
Except it doesn’t really fix the loot issue cause when you’re starting a new character and rescue Lilith what are the two things you’re doing next?
A) get a fast ball and Harold
B) get a fast ball and Harold
C) get a fast ball and Harold
Personally I think legendary loot shouldn’t drop at all till level 30 or 50 or more like this:
Level 1-10 white to green
Level 11-20 green to blue
Level 21-30 blue to purple
Level 30-max purple to legendary
Then add in pearls once max level is hit cause with how rare they are there’s no sense in farming for them multiple times unless you got a new character
Make everything viable for end game, make a huge meta that cannot be meta in one corner of the game. In other words make every weapon a double anarchy
Endgame always felt so unrewarding, aside from bragging rites. 😂
Your right about it all and it would be super crazy to get it all before being completely done with them bc it would honestly bring the game back to life with some more people playing 😊
If they ever remake the game, they HAVE to redo the OP levels balance more weapons reduce how important slag is UVHM.
Fuck uvhm i hate when games add difficulty spikes for the sake of being hard uvhm forces you to use slag op weapons and builds just to get by
Side note outside of that the game was great
I've been trying to get the achievements on borderlands 2 the last few day, I had only played beyond normal mode once with maya and wish I didn't have to because doing it with another character feel more like a chore, would have been better if enemies just started to scale to my level and especially if DLC did because doing one them cause you to be a few level highter than the main story but if you do them after finishing the story you end up with loots below your level (finished the story level 34).
It's sad that you have no movement option, even the bandits can dodge-roll on the side.
I've been playing the franchise for about 12 years and I agree with all of this!! I've asked myself the same questions over and over! LOL! Good stuff K6! All that being said it's still my go to games to play and can't wait for BL4...?!
idea for less grind: for every max character you have, with at least 1 complete playthrough on that char, your exp needed to level up is lowered.
Honestly if mayhem or op levels were in bl4 I want them to handle it how xenoverse 2 did with their level cap increases. In there if grand elder guru and whis pushed your level cap on one character for 80-125 the level cap is permanent you don’t have to get them again if you start a new cac. The same could be done for borderlands where if you get an op level increase so do all future characters.
I think the vault hunters and their skill trees in 2 are really boring. I always feel like I never know who I wanna play cause I find them all boring and none of their trees are interesting and it’s not like there’s not just 1 MAYBE 2 builds viable at endgame. Where as, in my opinion, every PreSequel VH is more fun than the game itself despite an even more lack in build diversity than 2, and 3 literally everything is Viable. My favorite character is Gamma Burst Warloader FL4K with Megavore, I’m not speedrunning raid bosses but I’m more than capable of doing everything in the game without much struggle
My one gripe with 2 is the drop rates. I see 12.5% but in-game, it feels way less. Yeah, 3 can be a bit spoiling. In fact, I've had a "ridiculous" amount of legendaries drop in boss fights. One or two and sometimes none. So I greatly prefer 3 in that aspect. But playing 3 for about a year now, going to 2 or even the TPS feels so slow.
And I swear, I've been thinking about being able to have "Badass" skills too. Imagine if you completed a playthrough, you got a upgrade token or something and you'll be able to give your skills bigger and better effects. I've also been thinking about having the multiple skill trees but depending on the skill you choose also provides you with a passive, which also gets upgrade with the skill. In the next BL games, we need to be able to fast travel in vehicles too. I hate having to get out just to do so, even when I'm going to a different zone. And can we please have a dual-wielding feature for pistols/SMGs? That joke in 3 with Ellie was just bad.
And an even cooler issue, having all your skins, badass rank and golden keys wiped on Xbox and Playstation because your game took a little too long to load
And this one is not really a big deal but the Gearbox exclusive skin counts for the total completion so you'll never truly have, for example, 105/105 skins on Maya (this may be a Maya-only problem tho idk)
I feel like for Borderlands 4 they could just completely remove the white and green rarity for gear.
Even in normal mode (no matter if it's BL1, 2 or 3) i rarely get to use them because blue gear often holds up until you find another blue replacement.
So instead of whites and greens, enemies could just drop currency instead or something.
And whatever Mayhem/OP-Level stuff they do for BL4, its gear should not be at Max Level +1, +2 etc. but the same as the default max level. (So it should work like Torment levels in Diablo)
The point of this kind of endgame mechanic should be that with good gear and a good build, you are able to beat higher difficulties to get access for even more different kinds of builds through new rewards (More Guardian Rank XP, exclusive Gear (not just Weapons but also Grenade mods, COMs, Artifacts, Shields), cosmetics, etc.).
But in Bl3 it mostly just leads to higher damage numbers and BL2 issues are as described in this video.
So instead of just overleveling everything i would do stuff like make Badasses spawn more often, maybe new enemy variants, give them new attacks etc.
If they will make it just like Mayhem or Op-Levels again, they should just let that feature out of the game at all.
Borderlands 1 actually did it like that in the right direction a bit.
You could imagine the ability to beat Crawmerax to be your endgame + mechanic because he gives you Pearls and exclusive class-mods
(giving you more build variety) while the gear is still max level 69 and the balancing was good. It's just missing any endgame content after that.
Good list, very comprehensive. I'm on board with like 95% of it. I will say that I'm one of the sick freaks that enjoys doing the playthrough 3 times, however. Oh, the vendor glitch[es]! Just let me buy grenades without leaving and reopening the vendor interface 3 times!
I agree with your list, I don't have anything to add that was necessarily wrong with the game just qualify of life stuff. Like a quick swap button for a preset Gun/Armor/Class Mod combination, obviously that is just for gear, your perks wouldn't change. And a parts swap option even if it's in the form of the vending machine as per the pre sequel, just a way to fine tune our gear/ build without needing to rely on the combination of RGN and Time.
Also..... Stop making legendaries that suck! Like they have a gimmick and are suboptimal, fine that can be fun. But there are just truly bad ones and it makes no sense to waste resources on them just to have more weapons available.
"Hey we have 76 bagillion guns in the game!"
Great, we only use 10.
This is a great video explaining the problems of BL2, are you going to do on for TPS?
Yes.
@@Ki11ersix awesome! I’ve been playing TPS a lot recently
Great game just needs dlc and better farming and endgame
@@Ki11ersix definitely with farming. You miss out on so many legendary’s since the easiest way to get them is the grinder but it’s such a small chance tho