Talking about nerfs, remember when the nerfed Iron bear in the beginning. That was rough in post game. Moze was in a bad state making her one of the weakest characters for a while.
Love your content K6, but you still fail to mention (And I understand, it's because it doesn't affect you personally, and I don't hold it against you, or anybody) one of the most fundamental flaws of BL3, which has been with it since it's inception. I speak of keyboard/mouse gaming for players who choose not to stick with the now-standard (for some reason incomprehensible to me) WASD standard keyboard layout. In previous BL titles (and basically any other game that's not ancient/ultra-low budget), you can remap the standard key layout to fit your gaming preferences, and for the most part, suffer absolutely no consequences or tradeoffs for doing so. In bl3 however, this would result in the consequence that, for example, you couldn't map your grenade to exactly the key you wanted, and would have to settle for some other key somewhere near where you wish to actually set it (which I believe was fixed recently, and am still super-happy for). Beyond that, for another example, there is the still present trade-off that, because I choose to play with an ESDF layout instead of WASD, I have to accept that transitioning to another map whilst in a vehicle is simply not possible. This means, in a new playthrough, if I want to progress the story by entering Ascension Bluff, for example, I have to drive to the transition point, make sure I'm not parked too closely to it, get out of my vehicle, walk up to and activate it, and then on the other side of it walk to a catch-a-ride and spawn a new vehicle, before I can continue on. Sure, it's admittedly a minor trade-off, but it's immersion breaking, and a major pity to have such a minor oversight ruin a fundamental little bit of QOL in a modern and also (admittedly GREAT) AAA title. There are other examples, I'm sure, but for the sake of brevity, they need not be included here. Come to think of it K6, I have a new playthrough challenge for you. I know you've done a KB/Mouse playthrough before, and found it not as bad as you thought, but still prefer a gamepad, but I challenge you to a keyboard/Mouse playthrough where you DON'T use the WASD key layout for movement. I'm not going to go crazy and stipulate “you must remap every single key”, or anything Draconian like that, but you must change the movement keys from WASD to absolutely anything else that suits you, and can change as many or as few other keys as you like to what would feel good for you to play with (and feel free to make any other adjustments along the way, if something else would work better, just so long as your MOVEMENT keys aren't WASD). Feel free to limit yourself to any character, gear, manufacturer, other restrictions you wish, if you wish to, but I'd love for you to put yourself in the shoes of keyboard gamers who don't subscribe to WASD! (As any HARDCORE PC gamer knows, WASD is the devil! 😈). Keep up the great content. I look forward to you picking up this challenge.
Haha, return to Sanctuary, give fragment to Tannis, talk to Lilith, watch Calypso or Rhys vid, navigate to new planet, take drop pod. Edit: in BL2, you just GO, in 3 we wait.
yeah they turn lilith into a dumb red-hair woman in my understanding of the story the cutscene are so long i don't care what story gearbox attemted to make.
Navigating sanctuary 3, I swear the person who design that ship is the same person who designed that stupid UI from Dragon age 3, it feels like pure incompetence, 6 playthroughs and I still get lost on that shitty ship
I’ve said the same thing to myself for a while because he has that corporate look and that douche bag attitude kind of like what handsome Jack had. Borderlands 3 had so many missed opportunities that could’ve made the story better But I guess gearbox had other ideas
I kinda feel a more down to profits/losses corporate type will be a great villain compared to the over the top showboating of the twins. It can be interesting to have a more serious business type antagonist for this world
If the joker never existed it would be a somewhat original concept. Also better writing... Thinking about this helped me realize why people talk shit about the BL3 story.
One of the awful things I can't stand is how, after multiple mainline games, the cutscenes just act like the VH doesn't exist. We talk to Maya and apparently just watch as she dies. Don't even fire off a round to hopefully wing either of the Twins. Actually, scratch that, there's one time where the cutscenes remember we exist and it's when Troy makes it so we can't do anything to effect the outcome.
Captain Traunt had the absolute best comic relief in the game, when you’re approaching the bridge on Athena’s and he screams TRAUNNTTTTT. I literally live for that moment every time it comes up.
I wish they just kept him as an over the top PMC guy instead of an over the top PMC guy but “haha he’s insecure too lol” like that’s a totally new character thing in this game (not)
You and joltz should do a colab talking about what you both want next for the tiny Tina game. compare opinions because it sounds as you love borderlands 3 while joltzs isn’t on the same page. I wanna know why. Love the videos K6!
The Calypso Twins felt like wasted potential, honestly. It felt like there was going to be an interesting subversive split between Troy and Tyreen, but it fizzled out immediately and the direction they went with just feels sloppy by comparison. The demented streamer concept isn't a bad one by itself, but the execution of it just screams that it could have gone over so much better than it did.
Going back to Handsome Jack, with him, I loved hearing his voice even when he was dissing us. With both Troy and Tyreen, I found them rather grating and immature. Like they had to insult us because their ego's were that frail, rather than Jack who had that "ok sweetie, love to hate you too" kinda energy.
Especially concerning Tyreen and her dreamily talking about Aurelia killing her own brother... Where is the follow-up on that? It would have made a massively different storyline. Possibly even one where Troy would have been forced to switch sides after an attempt by Tyreen, or Troy could have killed her in said attempt, leaving him the solo baddie with all her powers as well. Both in my opinion would have been much better endgame stories.
They are wasted potential, made worse that the moment Troy starts to get any real characterization and an actual spine to start pushing back against his more domineering sister...he dies. There was a real change to his character there, compared to Tyreen who starts as a bitch, and stays a bitch.
I understand that people loved the raid bosses in Borderlands 2, but as someone who never had friends that played borderlands, at least to the end game, they were always so far out of reach that I never cared about them cause I never came close to defeating them.
Mate, I'm the same, after years of playing the borderlands series I'm still the only one out of all my friends who plays any of the borderlands series. But I have done multiple farms of the raids bosses in bl2 except that gaint stalker in hammerlock dlc. You just need to be patient and get the right gear. If you just want to cheese them just gate crush master Gee or bore hyperius if you are zero, or just play broken Salvador at engame (ahab-pimp glitch). They are solo-able just do some research (there are plenty of tutorials of bl2 raid bosses) and gear up. I'm not trying to be a smart arse or anything just trying to help another player as much as I can.
Oh just a heads up, hyperius and Vora got bugged in op10 so now they have double the health they suppose to have, hyperius is still doable but Vora... I don't even know how to cheese that one. Just don't do the gaint stalker raid boss in the hammerlock dlc.
I have to agree. With friends, raid bosses can be a fun challenge (except for Master Gee, fuck him), but tbh unless you really know how to cheese the game, beating the raid bosses solo is almost impossible on your own-not to mention it depends on the character you use. Like, if you play Krieg or Zer0 you have a much better chance at soloing, but anyone else and you’ve got an upward climb.
Here’s a “worst” for the list: the cutscene fights were awful, ESPECIALLY Lilith vs Tyreen. You gave us TWO SIRENS fighting each other, women hyped up to be able to solo entire armies with magic, and it was the most one sided shit fight I’ve ever seen. It make Chief vs Locke in Halo 5 look good, and that’s saying something. Make it more explosive: don’t even tell me that they don’t have the money for it, they definitely did, they just didn’t want to put in the effort here for some reason
@@zachrohler1047 they could’ve replaced the “talk to Lilith” moments with cutscenes, the four vault hunters interacting more with Lilith and other crimson raiders, it would’ve been a great way to flesh them out more, and it would be definitely be skippable, meaning you dont have to deal with waiting for Lilith to finish talking, then everyone can be happy
@@zachrohler1047 I _kind of_ get why Ava was put in that position, based on some of the "behind the scenes" stuff, but as a character she never got the on-screen development that really could have sold it. If there had been something that showed her acting more "leader-like", as well as more actively consulting with veteran characters, that would make it work better.
I appreciate how much you put into speaking both the praises and shortcomings of this game, but just one point on Ava - part of why some of the community (myself included) is because she doesn’t feel like she does anything that Maya couldn’t have. She could have been a slightly whiny side character that became more tolerable as the story progressed, and if they had to kill off Maya for the story, make it actually feel like Ava cared for her instead of... what they ended up doing.
Yea slag was awful and didn't add anything to the game. Glad that's gone. I do like anointments but they need to tweak that system if they're gonna keep it around. So many useless or undesirable ones in the mix.
@@Oceanborn712 Yup. The first step should be limiting character-specific anoints to that character. I don’t want your damn Iron Cub anoints FFS, I’m playing Zane!
Slag has been incorporated into the skill trees in various ways already and with weapons like the piss grenade. I think they've got character stat points (strength, dexterity, etc.) planned for Wonderlands which might end up doing the same for anointments by keeping boosts tied with how you've spent those points. They probably won't make it a choice between one or the other
I think the effervescent rarity introduced in the Commander Lilith DLC has some potential to be the Borderlands version of set legendaries. I'd like to see it make a comeback in future titles.
I remember seeing something saying it would be back (I don't know what the source was, it was a while ago and may have just been a bad rumour); that made not even getting pearls rough ngl
One thing i dislike was the relation between Vaungh and Rhys, they aren't bros anymore, don't even have a chat between them, i feel like TFTB was throwed in the trash :( 14:16 agreed, mayhem 2.0 was THE WORSE thing ever add in a borderlands game
I would say they are still bros but they never gave them lines together which is what your trying to get at during the story they were on 2 completely different planets and granted Rhys definitely had the tech to go to Vaughn but after you finish the game killing tyreen during the credits there’s a pic of Vaughn and Rhys together in an atlas desk that they probably shoulda incorporated dialogue between them in the game or a mission but instead the only reason we know they are still friends is if you actually watched the credits😭
@@nathanhendrickson790 Plus if you manage to get modifiers that don’t completely fuck you over, they can be fun. My Mayhem 6 Zane has Speed Demon, Healy Avenger, Mob Mentality, and Laser Fate.
One of my favourite new additions is how much more of a change class mods gives to your character Instead of just some stat ans skill increases they actually add entirely new small abilities to your character I LOVE using mine sweeper on moze and gaining all those extra mini grenades on critical hits
My biggest beef with BL3 is the story and game design. The presequel and tales from had better stories. Scooter died in a spin off game and his death was handled so much better then Maya's. Jack's origin makes sense and it explains why he tried to murder everyone. My favorite part of BL2, there was very little back tracking. Theyre was a teleport station or exit near the end of every mission
@@MakeWeirdMusic I want to see a Tediore takedown with a giant boss with a tanky health bar. But it’s body and extra parts are weapons that can be used against you. Almost like a tediore chuck
@@joshuasummers9174And make it so it chucks it when the part takes too much damage, making the boss take a decent chunk of damage but also dealing massive damage (and make it maybe bypass healthgate and give 2nd winds)
Best thing? Tannis backside. Slightly more serious answer: I love the gunplay and mobility in BL3. Especially Dahl weapons feel so good. They went from my least favorite manufacturer in BL2 to my favorite in BL3. And I like the concept of the Takedowns and I hope those return in Wonderlands and beyond. Just a bit more refined of course. The thing I like the least is the contant going back to the Sanctuary. On PS4 going from Eden 6 to the Sanctuary and back to Eden 6 can take around 3-5 minutes of loadings screens just so I can talk to Tannis or Lilith for 20 seconds.
Same but with Hyperion. Between the Redistributor and the absolute chad that is the Butcher, they're my second favorite now. I still like Jakobs slightly better, but that’s only because I love the Clairvoyance so much.
Also spawning in at the back of the ship, having to run all the way to the front to talk to someone or travel to the next planet, and then run back to use the drop pod, seemed like 100 times
I agree on mobility/movement and gunplay. Would be my top 1 and 2. Both got massive improvements imo and are big factors on why the game just feels so good.
Very cool vid, I always appreciate your objectivity. Something that bothered me a lot and broke a hope I had entering the game for the first time is how little the playable vault hunters are involved in the story, being completely erased from cutscenes and such. We still have savoury dialogs thanks to good voice actors and (some) good character writing, but that's it.
@@Jeikobu Nope just Eden-6 looks way too much like Hammerlock's Big Game Hunt. Promethea and Athenas don't look remotely like they belong on Pandora (though Athenas was criminally small compared to the other maps). You can argue Nekrotefeyo and all the Trials since Eridian structures can honestly be out anywhere and you'd be none the wiser which planet you were on, but I feel that's beside the point.
@@whisperingshadowXI Promethea just looks mostly like a city, nothing about it is really specific and could easily be on Pandora Athenas just looks mostly like a mountain range village, and going further it could very well be just outside of the city we are in on Promethea My point being, literally every planet really doesn't have much of an identity outside of "Singular environment Sci-Fi planet" which given how much of Pandora we have seen could very easily fit them in.
I thought the meta commentary on social media "influencers" was really apt for this day and age, so I found that angle with Calypsos really cool. Like, follow, obey isn't far off from reality. Definitely agree that no pearlescent rarity was weird.
From where I stand I would've loved a couple more takedowns. Maybe a takedown at the Hyperion prison where an invincible broke out and took control now you have to fight through the prison to get to the fight, and maybe they could've added a wildlife takedown with hermivourous and vermivourous at the end. Then just add a classic mode to all 4 that unlocks after beating the takedown at least once where for 500 eridium you can skip straight to the raid boss
Amara transition towards the end was smooth af but I agree with all of this. Especially the part about the story, Maya's funeral scene, and lack of Athenas. The most beautiful planet gets one map, a super memorable character gets a less memorable death, and the story is even more forgettable. I love the game, wholeheartedly. Don't get me wrong. And Troy was being set up to look like he'd betray Tyreen but ya know. Both of the cringe twins were, well, annoying and cringey. Katagawa could've been the final boss or close to it. But hey, bl3 as a whole, is a good, very fun and beautiful game.
the fights against the Calypsos where still fucking awesome ..... also giving the destroyer a round 2 was a cool callback. like. "How often do i have to kill you stupid tentacle fucker?"
@@Knuspermonster they Troy fight was good, the Tyrene one where you jump on her back was probably the worst boss fights of the whole game though, so easy and not fitting the final boss
Borderlands 3 was never going to have a villain that surpassed Handsome Jack. Handsome Jack is one of the greatest antagonists in video game history, it's not an easy task to replicate or surpass that. That said, it COULD have been done. But with fans demanding new products within a relatively short time frame and the need to renew the brand, there likely just wasn't enough time to create a new Handsome Jack. He ticked basically every box that can be checked by a villain, and he was hilarious to boot, which made us all love him despite the fact we hated him as well. Honestly to create a character worthy of succeeding him and surpassing him is a task any developer would struggle with. Because they'd inevitably run into difficulties trying to make them similar but different, and it'd end up feeling like a knock off version of him. With the way the universe is set up, I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to Palpatine his way into the next game somehow. Be the man controlling everything, including whoever you believe is the main villain. It didn't work for Star Wars but thats because of their piss poor writing. Just imagine having a scene appear after the "big bad" of the next installment is defeated and Handsome Jack's voice comes out of a speaker and says "Wow! Long time no see sweetheart! You've been busy! Me? Well it's kind of a long story, but let's just say that I'm awesome and leave it at that...k pumpkin?" And boom...a road to the following game with hype out the ass because we get to go against Jack, who's had all these years to spend plotting and building tech that is going to absolutely fuck us up when we see him.
Katagawa would've been great as a main villain. Introducing our new vault hunters as just "hired guns" to investigate, no need for something world-ending scale and focus on the characters more. Then to make the scale growing bigger into our characters finally becoming Vault Hunters, making that almost a "prestige" of a role/title, rather than something kids or weak characters (Tales of the Borderlands) to have.
Although I disagree about no longer having to farm weapon parts, since I PERSONALLY like farming for highest damage rolls alongside perfect anointments. But even with that it 100% is still a lot easier on this game over BL2. The people that complain about drop rates being too high either need something to complain about, or don’t go for good anointments or good prefixes/parts. Otherwise the argument doesn’t make sense to me. Been watching you and joltz for the past 6 - 7 years and you both consistently put out great content. Great video and keep up the good work!!!
I personnaly don’t like the drop rates of BL3. even though I spend thousand hours of both games, I like playing the game casually, without looking for specific weapon parts/anointments. In fact, the game is easy enought to be completed without looking for any of this stuff. No, the complains about drop rate is linked to the topic of pearlescent drop : I need something to hunt, something visually extraordinary, not something like looking in a pile of dozen similars items just to get the extra 2% damage or a side effect that matters most than the weapon itselft…
@@XthundesrtruckX I agree with ya on pearlescent’s, it would be nice to have a super rare type of weapon good or bad. But I can’t agree with you about annointments, the most that do is make bad/subpar weapons usable. But good weapons like the monarch and free radical don’t need them. The most they do is let you kill bosses faster than you would have. But you’d be perfectly capable without them. Just my opinion though. I wasn’t a fan at first but after time with changes I don’t mind them anymore.
I absolutely hated bl2's drop rates. Farming is easily the least fun part of borderlands. I mean I probably put at least a 1000 hours into bl2, and I finally got my first sham about a month before bl3 came out. I really loved the drop rates for bl3 and I really hope they don't revert back to that for the next game.
The drop rate is way too high, a boss dropping 3+ "legendarys" all the time means it is not legendary at all, it is just a item that drops all the time, I cleared the game in couple of days and had absolutely nothing to do because it was way too easy, so I stopped playing it.
After farming for the Twister and Norfleet for days add to that farming for the perfect parts and prefix...I will say the last thing you would want to complain are the high drop rates of good loots
The combat augments are cool, groundbreaker in particular. They should see how that idea applies to other sources of damage because it's very satisfying to build up toward a big hit and then use it to take out a particular enemy
Having only recently been exposed to BL3 I guess I can say I'm lucky to have not experienced most of these downsides but all the upsides. And that's coming straight off the back of the last two years playing BL2 damn near exclusively. BL3 just feels so much better. As for the points regarding challenges/endgame content, that's never bothered me as I was never good enough to take on a raid boss anyway. Hell, I still struggle from time to time on M11. But it's not so bad that I get turned off of playing.
can't agree more with no.9 my favorite quote is still this after you kill an transformed goliath they sometimes say "Now i'm dead on the outside too!" my alltime favorite line XD
I don’t think the twins where that terrible. They had the same issue I had with Ava, the writing doesn’t make you care about them until it’s too late. You didn’t need to reveal they where Typhon’s kids until the end, put it right out in the beginning. That would have made them far more interesting and deepen their motivations. Cutting the funeral was the worst thing they could have done to Ava’s character. After I say that I actually started to want to see her grow as a person. Also putting her story on a side quest was a poor decision as well. How many players said “wow that’s girl is terrible I don’t want anything to do with her” immediately, even more so after she got Maya killed, never playing that quest.
I agree man, I will admit at first Ava really sucked, but I think it's less she's written badly but more she was just anoyying, but with DLC6 and the new Ava side quests, I really loved her charcter development, she has potential and I hope in BL4, Gearbox does her justice
I never really understood the relentless hate some people seem to have for Ava. She is by no means a favourite character for me, I agree that there's some bad writing there (though the voice actor nailed her performance), but it's not like she single-handedly _ruined_ the game. I absolutely agree that cutting out the funeral scene was a big mistake. There would have been ways to manage pacing and still keep it in the game.
Her diary side quest isn't even that well written either, they constantly make fun of her and treat the whole thing as a massive joke while Ava tries to hide behind her tough kid act. The side quest focuses less on her backstory and more haha stupid diary, Pvt. Beans is being a dick
@@patrikhjorth3291 I agree. Ava’s not that great, but she’s not a turn-off for me in the slightest. Although I would’ve rather they implement the funeral at some point in the story, idc if it’s in some crappy spot
Imagine if you will if the Malliwan corporation started to loot Helios for scrap and technologies when a younger Katagawa Jr picks up Rhys’ digistruct eye. Boom handsome Jack now uses Katagawa Jr and Malliwan to open the great vault. He hires Tyreen and Troy, two siren hunters to capture as many of the sirens as possible to use them as batteries.
Love to see the Cherami shout-out. She is one of my favorites VAs and is in a TON of popular IPs. SAO, Fairy Tail, Nier Automata, Kaze no Stigma, Cyberpunk, and many many more.
Adding on to your number 2 point of the best things we got. I feel like we as a community should be thankful to gearbox for never relying on microtransactions or loot boxes to make their money like 99% of games out there. Borderlands is a franchise that has never implemented microtransactions. That’s why I’m always happy to spend money on borderlands DLC. The developers can monetize the game and we get awesome content in return.
I don’t think the story of borderlands 3 is bad. I do think the Calypso twins are so weak as villains (even without comparing them to Jack) that they’re unable to carry the story. Katagawa was a far better villain and his personality was more in line with Handsome Jack’s level of villainy while the twins make me want to watch a TH-cam video until their screen time is over. We didn’t necessarily need a brand new Jack for borderlands 3 but it seems like that’s what GB was going for and they failed to deliver.
The story was fine, but the Calypsos never made you laugh like Jack did. Jack was like the guy you hated, but still would have a beer with. The Calypsos were just annoying.
the story was fucking awsome up to rhys and the maliwan takedown, hands down my favorite scenario out of all the borderlands games, but god damn after that the game slows down soooo bad, when you get to nekrotafeyo you just stop listening to the story because it's going at snails pace
@Slyvester AKA spookmcskull my thoughts exactly, look forward to Promethea for that reason everytime I start a new game, then prepare myself for the mess that is Eden-6 & Nekrotafeyo.
Think the twins wouild have gone up a notch if Tyreen's reaction to Troy's death hadn't been "oh, whatever" and been more along the line of Jack's reaction to his daughter's death: grief mixed with hatred. The villain hating us for what we've done would be great. Tyreen became a monster at the end literally and it was boring as hell.
Getting a fully level group of randoms who had decent builds, gear, and a brain then finally killing the immortal dragons and rolling all the dice chests for sub-10 is literally my favorite video game memory of all time, no raid bosses is a worthy #1. A HUGE miss from the top 10 bad things is the new match making system, borderlands 2 match browser was perfect for its age, the ONLY flaw is a nitpick in that it didnt tell you what mission was currently on going. I dont think I've ever had more than 1 random person in my always public lobby in my 300+ hrs in BL3.
I honestly felt that Ava was treated more like a plot device than an actual character really; and I understand the conditions at the time, but I feel like Krieg's DLC could have been expanded more since there's no mention of Ava or Troy in his questline.
It was something that was fixed later but no designated drops for a long time after launch was a huge problem for the game too. By the time the DLCs came out, people were burnt out because they would just farm graveward for everything, and that slow start to the game ended up ruining the future of the game for a lot of people
I'm a very simple guy and the annoint system made me play it less, went back to bl2 AND TPS. And in that I found TPS was actually fun and the story was actually pretty good etc But when I last played I did love the upgrades bl3 made
@@kobragaming9420 for some reason im only getting this now 😂 But I went back to bl3 after this and the changes are amazing imo Still play bl2 and TPS. Just got a PS5 so I have to start over on everything. Bl3 on PS5 is GAME CHANGING.
I agree with the “We need villains we love to hate”. Almost any time the twins came around it was hard for me to be interested because I felt like they were trying to hard to be annoying and jus didn’t offer that much unique or memorable dialogue. I also understand that Ava is a teenager and that is how they act but she still left a negative impact on me. Its hard to change a first impression of a character even when you see their backstory. And i never understood why she became the new leader. I know she has potential to be a leader but i feel like as a child she should not be in a position where a lot of people depend on her to make the right choices. She can at least be trained up to it before taking on all of that responsibility.
Now that you mention it I miss pearls, man the feeling was crazy even if it wasn’t the most desirable pearl it’s like brooo I just got something that’s crazy rare
im so glad you mentioned wainright and gaige! i loved everything you said about them. The bounty of blood dlc carried on the awesome accents and was probably one of my favorite parts of the game!
How cool would it have been if Katagawa faked his death and was manipulating the twins the whole time because of something he was researching on Nekrotafeyo or something along those lines?
i would like a visual filter (i have to look away during gravewards death) and some maps need more fast travel spots, especially when playing in true vault hunter mode. id like to see a weapon fusion system that lets players combined two weapons from different manufactures to create a hybrid weapon.
Very well constructed lists. One thing you missed I think is the drop rates and drop sources. While yes they did change some things to spread out the loot pools, I think they could do a little more, including a slight increase in some drops.
@@Ki11ersix aside from that I think balancing the weapon damage would be helpful. Snipers got a buff across the board, but still underwhelming for items like the wedding invitation among others. And the malaks bane consuming too much ammo per shot. Not every gun needs a fix, but bring some of the more less than satisfying gear up to par just a little.
For positives for me I’d say: the multiple skill trees (especially FL4Ks), the legendaries (hello Lightshow) the individual dialogue of the characters...... even if the response is the same unlike the pre-sequel, and the dlc’s. for cons: the dialogue: Ava, the misuse of Rhys and Vaughn, Ava, the twins, Ava, our lack of agency in the cutscenes, Ava.
A big positive for me as a PlayStation 5 owner is being able to play the game at 120fps! As a console gamer all my life, my first experience in playing a 120fps game was BL3 and man I can't go back to 60. I really hope wonderlands has a 120fps option for console as well
Something I'd personally like to see in a future update is the option to save a setup of skills in a new-u station so that builds can be easily swapped between. And the same goes for the new-u colour schemes. Allowing us to easily save custom "presets" of skills and / or colour schemes, skins and head-customizations would really be an interesting addition in my opinion.
I really agree about pearlessence and sariph rarety not being here kinda suck because it took so much potential replayability out of the game if they were to add them I don't think it's gonna reach same long term playibility as bl2 enless they add a new rarety that's harder to get
I was haopy jack wasn't in bl3, jack in bl2 bl:tps and tales, was enough, the thing with the twins is they are not threat to you its because you are a spectator, twins talk a lot but they ignore you as an enemy, in bl2 and tps you are the center of everything the story doesn't move with out you, in promethea you are just there that part its for Zero and Rhys katagawa talk and threats them more, in eden 6 its aurelia vs hammerlock and jakobs again you are just there. Any dlc of bl2 make the player more relevant that bl3 handsome jackpot, love and tentacles, and bount of blood make the player the centar again you need to help but they need you, kriegs dlc it amazing but its for krieg
rather than swapping action skills on 1 fl4k I made 4 fl4ks 1 for each pet type and action skill. so fade flak uses jabber, gamma flak uses bot, gravity snare flak uses Scag and Rakk-flak uses spider ant. leveling all 4 took awhile, but finding just the right skin and messing with the colors on each took longer.
I think the main problem with the villains and story in Borderlands 3 is that they aren't focused on the player character. They're rivals for Lilith and the Crimson Raiders. They hardly even talk to you directly, they're always mocking Lilith and other characters. You're just an afterthought. What made Handsome Jack work was that he was always focused on the player. You start the game off having been betrayed and blown up by Handsome Jack, and you're out for revenge. Then he tricks YOU into doing his dirty work for him. It's about the relationship between the villain an the protagonist. Borderlands 3 makes the mistake of making NPCs the protagonists of the story, instead of the player character.
Handsome Jack also makes a mistake in BL2, by forgetting that Lilith was a siren. He was so focused on you giving him access to Sanctuary that he forgot about Lilith and she was able to teleport the city away. But then he LEARNS from that mistake and doesn't make it again, kidnapping Lilith to further his plans. The Twins... they're just arrogant and focused on Lil the whole time. Even if you're playing a siren, they have no interest in you. It makes no sense if Amara is RIGHT THERE that they wouldn't try to leech her powers, too. But they never even talk to her.
The DLC stories for BL3 were much better because the DLC villains mostly focus on the player and the stories make you the focus of the story. It's just that the main story put the emphasis on NPCs.
As for Ava, if I could script-doctor this game? I'd have removed her from the game and given her role in the story to the player characters: Have the players argue with Lilith, have the players go off on a tear because they've been goaded into making a mistake by the Twins, have Maya die because of something WE did, and then have us try to get revenge and make peace with Lilith. Same arc, but make it about the players instead of NPCs. The story would have been much more compelling and the villains would have meant much more to us.
I don't think anyone should compare Handsome Jack to the Calipso Twins just because Jack had several games of character development :) Still one of my fav vilians! Great video as always K6!!!!
Loved BL3 as a whole. Handsome Jackpot is for me one the best DLCs ever done to a BL game. Just loved the atmosphere and characters. Would loved if we got more of the DLCs quality in the main story though
My Moze isn't only built around one specific weapon type, but also one manufacturer. Pistols only and Torgue only Unkempt Harold build (all elements) with Iron Cub, Revolter, Torgue Company Man and Mind Sweeper. Got as much Pistol and Weapon Damage on my gear as possible paired with Action Skill Cooldown Reduction and I can semi spam my Action Skill and keep up my Revolter for a good amount of time. Does melt most of things.
I actually quite e joyed the Calypsos. I thought they were a pretty good satire of modern streamer culture, especially recently where divisive public figures can build up quite a culty following in actual real life. And as an older player with a teenage daughter, I can safely say, in Ava's defence, they're just like that! 😉 No mention of Arms Race. I personally really liked it, just wish they had added more maps, or a way to continue playing/progressibgif you've found good gear and reckon you could go again (or even better, progress to a second or third map) Great video though, well thought out and I think you got it pretty much bang on.
11:52 I think steam achievements fuel my desire to play some games, sometimes. I like to think i show off that I've played a game through, and try to do everything in it. Also, having all my games in one place is something i really love to have! If Epic was around before Steam, I'm sure i would be using that instead (although, i like Steam's use community, workshop, profiles, achievements, etc. Also all the seasonal events they do)
You didn't mention my #1 most hated thing about BL3... Anointed enemies and the overuse of them. Really dumb having to sometimes fight upwards of 4 or 5 of these at the same time!!!
It says so much about the improvements to the gunplay in bl3 that Dahl managed to become one of my favorite manufacturers next to Jacobs. I cant quite put my finger on what it is that makes it so much better than bl2, but it just FEELS good to use
You hit it pretty square on the head sir. I am going to be firing the game back up in the near future, and poking around the new vault card(s)? (did they release all 3 now?) but I'm just not sure how much love is left for me with BL3. The final level cap, with no new content (I know, I know, we got the seasonal events permanently. I mean NEW) was such a kick in the teeth for me, especially when it just cemented a complete abandonment of the idea that they weren't just going to throw skill points at players, because the skill trees were supposed to be more impactful in BL3. I defended GBX for a while. I stuck with them through some very rough patches. But it just felt like they either didn't learn from the backlash when they made mistakes, or just didn't care. Having a massive Farming Event and then following it up with previously unannounced level cap increase MULTIPLE TIMES was just too much for me. Maybe I'll swing back through for Wonderlands. You're still one of the best streamers in the biz, and even though I don't get to watch because of the new job, I'm letting that subscription ride. You deserve it.
Started playing borderlands 3 again a couple of days ago. Last time I played it was 2021 and boi has it been a breathe of fresh air. I play with my cousin, who introduced me to borderlands 2 back in 2012, and we enjoyed borderlands 3 more than ever. We rebooted with new characters and man, the game was so much smoother and less buggy making gameplay feel exponentially better.
I miss pearlescent gear, and I think many players wanted another tier of rarity to chase in the endgame. This would most likely extend the longevity of bl3 because with how generous the game is with loot drops. I think having another tier to grind new rarity gear would be something to keep players invested well after wonderlands comes out. But I'd imagine the devs are trying to focus more on TTW than bl3 now that it's been announced.
I feel like if they just added pearls in BL3 and made them as rare as they were in BL1 and add 1 new raid boss and a new armory that have a chance of dropping pearls it would add endless replay value. If they don’t add them I feel like they aren’t going to add them to wonderlands either which wonderlands will end up in the same state as borderlands 3 is in now
@@canontheory Yeah. 1 more raid boss/takedown would be so satisfying. Or like you said, a big chest room like the armory dlc. Vaulthaulla is cool, don't get me wrong. It's just not as expansive as the original Knox boss chest room from bl1. I also hope that TTW shows more loot diversity via the melee weapons or spells that they incorporate in game. Maybe even a new tier of rarity to chase after. I'd be happy with that or pearls either way.
Great video I agree with everything, Next 2 mags is my favorite anointment adding elements to any gun is genus. But there is way to may anointments. I also Jakobs needs a buff so many of them just feel weak, Remember, if it took more than one shot, you weren't using a Jakobs! is kind of lost in end game.
I understand not liking to spend money lol however I will say that the amount of content you get in the borderlands 3 season passes are ridiculous for the price. Honestly it feels like both season passes combined is a whole new game
I personally missed TPS' personalized interactions between playable characters and non-playable ones. Like yeah the playable characters have their own unique dialogue, but other characters still just kept calling them "Vault Hunter", even after your character introduced themself. For all of TPS' flaws, that's one thing that it did right, the character interactions. Moxxi had unique words depending on whether she was talking to Athena, Claptrap, Timothy, Nisha, etc, and so did Jack, among other characters. Hell they had such a long base game that they could've easily done *more* of that than TPS. Like, for example: Amara meeting Lilith. Amara seems to recognize the significance of meeting another siren, Lilith acts the same no matter if it's Amara or not. They really could have done some more with that. In Arms Race, they could've had Axton commenting on the similar backgrounds between him and Moze. Or Fl4k and Mordecai in the base game bonding over both having pets helping them in battle, or Fl4k and Zer0 comparing notes on each other's tactics when they go invisible. They just missed quite a bit of character interaction potential. Sidenote: Why don't we have any scenes of Krieg meeting Ava? Ava is literally the person who inherited Maya's powers, that's going to have significance to Krieg. Ava would've been a great addition to the Krieg DLC and given more opportunity for her character to be developed more. And her seeing Maya again in Krieg's mind... yeah. Side-sidenote: Also why does Krieg have Lilith, Brick and Mordecai in his mind but not Roland? Sure he wasn't around Roland as long but Roland was the nicest of the 4 original VHs, a calm presence, and well Roland literally dies in front of Krieg (like he did for all of 2's VHs). Another missed opportunity.
Favorite dlc by far of them all is Krieg's, it's the only dlc that I played a few times over simply because of the story along with the smaller side quests that also add even more about him. It wasn't too long and everything was rather direct with getting things done with no excess dialogue. At the end of each boss, you learn about what Krieg thought of those involved, etc.
You are such a positive person k6, it's very refreshing. Besides the fact that half of the time I don't know where my enemies are or what I'm shooting at and annointments are dumb I don't really dislike much about bl3. It's a good game all in all. I just never find myself wanting to play it much, it never captivated me. That's okay though, no game will ever please everyone. I'm glad you really enjoy it though, I'm sure it makes content easier and more fun.
I agree, the Twins, I had a hard time taking them seriously, especially in the Subway/Train Station (although really funny), where they're making Fart Jokes, and "Butt Stink" jokes.
@HuntersWrath There was one point in the story where I thought that the twins were going to turn on each other, when Troy started to get resentful about being bossed around, and that he could only drain powers and give them to Tyreen, and she was basically treating him like a battery.
I had a lots of problems at launch, then took 3 months off playing till picking it up again and enjoy it. I don't think i have enough space to write all my thoughts but here are some. Story the twins should've had more or two sides the on air that everyone sees, then "serious evil villian" they only show to you. (They kinda do it near the end.) Have the main heroes act dumb send in a siren again someone who steals powers, giving control of raids to Ava not someone older with leadship experience (like Axton or have brick and moricci step up) on the more of Axton they added 4 of the 6 bl2 characters in dlcs but having them in base game in form of echo logs would've been nice. No needing or wanting to play tvhm These are some of my main ideas others that were fixed legendarys didn't feel special, no target dummy to test on from start. And more fun game but 2 is still my favorite.
Yeah, the Calypso twins didn't reach the same levels of prestige as Handsome Jack. But Jack was a diamond in the rough. He's a superb villain. Batted damn near perfect. They hit their stride with that game with that one character, so of course nothing else will measure up.
Loved the run down and I agree with all you said. I would have added one thing. Tiny Tina. She doesn't look seven years older. She looks like a 45 year old meth head. She wasn't funny, she came across as a used up and sad waste of a person. She was one of my favorite things about BL2 and I wish they had left her out of 3 instead of giving us the Tina they did.
It's time for another thrilling episode of "Points and counter-points from the Dragon!" Best #10: Quicker farming. No argument here. While I played BL3, farming for *Insert thing here* was indeed much smoother and faster. However, one thing you mention in this part: "Loot pools are crowded." Far too much in the pools made for many hours of getting multiple things I didn't want, to POSSIBLY get something I did. #9: Audio and visual improvements. Again, no argument here. And much like you in this part, I'll save the pollution for later. #8: Characters: Yes, this installment of BL has some of the most memorable characters ever. Interactions between most work, some don't.......and ICE CUBE IS A FOUL-MOUTHED TEDDY BEAR!!! #7: Maliwan Takedown: Yes.......'nuff said. #6: Balancing: Here, I must disagree. Reach lv. 72, go to Mayhem anything, get pretty much any gun, one shot everything without a forced invincibility period. Even then, you one shot them TO the invincibility period. That's not balanced. That's Salvador, everyone's favorite cheat code in BL2. Every vault hunter in BL3 is Salvador. Get that one gun, one class mod, and one artifact, and you're an invincible, infinite ammo/grenade, no ultimate cooldown having walking nightmare. Everyone was so angry with BAR in BL2, that they turned it off, but even without Guardian rank on, everyone can one-shot God Mode everything. BL2 was better. Godliness was earned. BL3, it's given. #5 DLC writing: Absolutely. If only, like you said, the main story had followed suit, many might be still playing it today. We'll get into pre-pubescent pre-teens later. #4: Legendary diversity. Agreed, but it was way too diverse. You one breath named nearly 25 things, out of the few hundred available at this point. Given you probably named the better ones, and not the ones you look at, and say "Why the fu** is this on my screen?!!", which is most of the stuff in the game. And much like every BL game, the lesser loot, *Purple and below* are just renamed versions of the same item. Same power, accuracy, handling, mag size etc., different name. Large diversity is not always a good thing. #3: Build variety: Yep, one build to one shot mobs, and one build to one shot bosses. Such a large variety. And mayhem just makes it worse. As mentioned in #6, get a lv. 72 mayhem anything gun, mod and artifact and BAM, instant Godhood. UVHM in BL2, yes, wasn't the most balanced thing, but it made you properly strategize your VH to the task at hand, not just get something that shoots death skulls to blow everything up. #2: Free stuff!!!!!!: Indeed, but the free stuff, I don't think was more along the lines of "Have these free goodies just to have them.", more than it was "We are SO sorry that the endgame is absolute sh**. We forgot how to make raid bosses and pearls and gave you literally NOTHING to do after you beat the game. Take this free stuff as our humble apology." HM: Multiple planets with multiple maps. Yeah, we all got tired of sitting on Pandora when there was an obviously large galaxy with many, many vaults out there, waiting to be hunted. No problems with this one. #1: Quality of life changes. Although I absolutely agree with this, you said it yourself. It took Gearbox seeing what their PLAYERS were doing with community patches to say "Hey, we've been fu**ing it up all these years, we should do this right." If they want BL4 to be done right, they should hire the players to code it. We seem to do it right.
with ava and tina, the problem is that, it felt like they tried to make a modern tina, and didnt quite stick the landing. and, honesty, it isnt that interesting, given, its a re-hash of tinas back story orphaned at a young age, left to fend for herself for a while
So what I liked about BL3 was that is was more casual in a good way, a lot of borderlands games can be especially brutal to first timers. BL1 comes to mind as level gaps there could be deadly. And TPS had some of the hardest most gruelling bosses of the series. So it was a nice change of pace to not get absolutely floored by a boss unless you were stupid. But the thing that made me dislike BL3 was that I don't feel like playing it all that much, after getting a couple of characters maxxed out there is very little motivation to get back into the grinding loop. To put it into comparison TPS made me want to make a character for every skill tree option we had where as BL3 is like yes there is more character diversity, but less motivation to see it to its potential. I guess mainly the lack of content probably is a driving factor but idk maybe I need to try co-op to refresh my perspective.
Sad that the Twin who actually had some character development died early. Tyreen was the weaker of the Calypso twins character wise. Heck, it would have been more interesting if Troy would have snapped from years of slights and verbal abuse and murdered Tyreen, stealing her powers and going insane as you progress towards the final battle. As for Ava, they completely messed up with her from the start. Making her a little less annoying when you meet here and making the battle for Athenas into a 'scared straight' moment to set her on a better path. Had she buckled down and started working to be better, than even her causing Maya's death could have been used for better character development, rather than leaving her as a brat after the invasion and her causing Maya's death.
I honestly thought that's what they were going for with Troy because he actually had that feeling. It really seemed like they were building up to him betraying Tyreen and killing her and seizing all the power for himself which would have made a much better ending for them but instead they backtracked on that last minute for some reason.
16:17 true but when it came to weapons like the crossroads and things such as that they went way too far. There's some weapons nowadays that are way stronger than that gun was back in it's prime. So why keep it nerfed?
Honestly love how you voice your opinion on the pluses of BL3 while emphasizing the negatives. While I hope BL4 comes out faster than the long break we received from 1to2 I do hope the next will be done right. Mayhem mode needs to be kept but no modifiers anoints can be kept but exclusive to pearls at a minimal rate to make pearls not only more desirable but increase the drive to farm. Great work also on painting out the screen pollution most of the time I just spray and pray making me just see little progression with some build which could be awesome but is lacked because of missed shots due to the screen pollution.
Good to know I'm not alone with the screen pollution thing. Kind of a hassle, but I did find it absolutely hilarious learning that a combo of x2 Dictator and Zane's shield at point blank literally turned the screen solid white during the fight with Captain Haunt. It's since been patched (thankfully) but it was gloriously dumb the first time I made that happen.
I am in the camp of hating Ava, however i think Vauhn might actually be my least favorite character in any game ive ever played. I actually quit and deleted the game for about a month before pushing through because he wouldnt shut up
You nailed it with the level cap increases. I know I could of just probably waited. But I played this game just about daily since launch. I farmed for the perfect weapons, that I wanted, so many times, that by the time the level cap hit 72, I was burnt out on farming. I was so lucky at lvl 65, had multiple CMT’s, a couple of close to perfect old gods, a Urad fire boom sickle, I even had a one shotter shield. And much more. Now my luck at 72 has been horrible. Making me even more burnt out on trying for those weapons again, when all I need is a revolter, a flipper, a light show, and a hell walker, and I can beat pretty much all the content in the game. I’m sure I’ll be back with time. But with a new game already on the horizon, maybe not.
Thank goodness the drop chance is high ALMOST making up for the 3 minute load times per screen, I also personally think bl3 is a bit too easy for what I want but it's great for a casual time
That being said, no game is ever going to be perfect. BL3 and the franchise as a whole, is engaging, fun and largely keeps players playing. There is a lot to be said for that tbh. I love the characters, I love the story arcs, I LOVE THE LOOT. On top of that, there is a whole bunch of content dropped that I feel gives good bang for your buck. Gearbox LISTENS, to the community. It has a live game feel without being a live game. It reinvents itself with each new iteration, making each new game eagerly anticpated (take Tiny Tina's Wonderland, for example). There is as much new innovation as there is a familiar nod to the old. So for me, I can forgive the shortcomings, because what is so good about the games, outweighs them.
Agree with this. I just started to fully understand the game fully a week ago and I’m hooked and even though there are short comings, they are easily forgivable for me. So much content and even love in one franchise. The amount of coding for all the guns and equipment had to be difficult. And sadly I sell most, almost feel bad doing so. Get addicted to the orange drops unfortunately. Anyhow, good comment.
i love the graffiti art work in the Handsome Jackpot dlc, i usually stop and take a second to admire the time and effort they put into making it and then i wonder if anyone else does this. i usually find the best pieces down a dead end and wonder why it was placed it such an out of the way spot.
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Talking about nerfs, remember when the nerfed Iron bear in the beginning. That was rough in post game. Moze was in a bad state making her one of the weakest characters for a while.
@@chrispycakes88 moze was awful end game. I quit for a year and came back and she is amazing now
Love your content K6, but you still fail to mention (And I understand, it's because it doesn't affect you personally, and I don't hold it against you, or anybody) one of the most fundamental flaws of BL3, which has been with it since it's inception.
I speak of keyboard/mouse gaming for players who choose not to stick with the now-standard (for some reason incomprehensible to me) WASD standard keyboard layout.
In previous BL titles (and basically any other game that's not ancient/ultra-low budget), you can remap the standard key layout to fit your gaming preferences, and for the most part, suffer absolutely no consequences or tradeoffs for doing so.
In bl3 however, this would result in the consequence that, for example, you couldn't map your grenade to exactly the key you wanted, and would have to settle for some other key somewhere near where you wish to actually set it (which I believe was fixed recently, and am still super-happy for).
Beyond that, for another example, there is the still present trade-off that, because I choose to play with an ESDF layout instead of WASD, I have to accept that transitioning to another map whilst in a vehicle is simply not possible. This means, in a new playthrough, if I want to progress the story by entering Ascension Bluff, for example, I have to drive to the transition point, make sure I'm not parked too closely to it, get out of my vehicle, walk up to and activate it, and then on the other side of it walk to a catch-a-ride and spawn a new vehicle, before I can continue on.
Sure, it's admittedly a minor trade-off, but it's immersion breaking, and a major pity to have such a minor oversight ruin a fundamental little bit of QOL in a modern and also (admittedly GREAT) AAA title.
There are other examples, I'm sure, but for the sake of brevity, they need not be included here.
Come to think of it K6, I have a new playthrough challenge for you. I know you've done a KB/Mouse playthrough before, and found it not as bad as you thought, but still prefer a gamepad, but I challenge you to a keyboard/Mouse playthrough where you DON'T use the WASD key layout for movement.
I'm not going to go crazy and stipulate “you must remap every single key”, or anything Draconian like that, but you must change the movement keys from WASD to absolutely anything else that suits you, and can change as many or as few other keys as you like to what would feel good for you to play with (and feel free to make any other adjustments along the way, if something else would work better, just so long as your MOVEMENT keys aren't WASD).
Feel free to limit yourself to any character, gear, manufacturer, other restrictions you wish, if you wish to, but I'd love for you to put yourself in the shoes of keyboard gamers who don't subscribe to WASD! (As any HARDCORE PC gamer knows, WASD is the devil! 😈).
Keep up the great content. I look forward to you picking up this challenge.
I agree with this list!
The WORST thing Borderlands 3 ever gave us?
"Talk to Lilith".
Yes.
Haha, return to Sanctuary, give fragment to Tannis, talk to Lilith, watch Calypso or Rhys vid, navigate to new planet, take drop pod.
Edit: in BL2, you just GO, in 3 we wait.
yeah they turn lilith into a dumb red-hair woman in my understanding of the story the cutscene are so long i don't care what story gearbox attemted to make.
Navigating sanctuary 3, I swear the person who design that ship is the same person who designed that stupid UI from Dragon age 3, it feels like pure incompetence, 6 playthroughs and I still get lost on that shitty ship
@@chillhour6155 You seriously get lost in Sanctuary 3? It’s so easy to navigate though?
I can’t help but feel like Katagawa would’ve been a much better main antagonist with the twins as secondary ones
100%
I’ve said the same thing to myself for a while because he has that corporate look and that douche bag attitude kind of like what handsome Jack had. Borderlands 3 had so many missed opportunities that could’ve made the story better But I guess gearbox had other ideas
I agree
I kinda feel a more down to profits/losses corporate type will be a great villain compared to the over the top showboating of the twins.
It can be interesting to have a more serious business type antagonist for this world
If the joker never existed it would be a somewhat original concept. Also better writing... Thinking about this helped me realize why people talk shit about the BL3 story.
One of the awful things I can't stand is how, after multiple mainline games, the cutscenes just act like the VH doesn't exist. We talk to Maya and apparently just watch as she dies. Don't even fire off a round to hopefully wing either of the Twins. Actually, scratch that, there's one time where the cutscenes remember we exist and it's when Troy makes it so we can't do anything to effect the outcome.
When Roland gets shot, it’s clearly in the pov of the VH
Captain Traunt had the absolute best comic relief in the game, when you’re approaching the bridge on Athena’s and he screams TRAUNNTTTTT. I literally live for that moment every time it comes up.
I wish they just kept him as an over the top PMC guy instead of an over the top PMC guy but “haha he’s insecure too lol” like that’s a totally new character thing in this game (not)
You and joltz should do a colab talking about what you both want next for the tiny Tina game. compare opinions because it sounds as you love borderlands 3 while joltzs isn’t on the same page. I wanna know why. Love the videos K6!
They should do a podcast, where they talk about this stuff and call it "the Vaughn and Marcus podcast"
@@mister_muffin3625 BRILLIANT!
Joltz would just want it to be Borderlands 2
I agree. Joltz and K6 bring so much creativity to the table.
Have you not noticed that Joltz stopped playing BL3 long ago …….
The Calypso Twins felt like wasted potential, honestly. It felt like there was going to be an interesting subversive split between Troy and Tyreen, but it fizzled out immediately and the direction they went with just feels sloppy by comparison. The demented streamer concept isn't a bad one by itself, but the execution of it just screams that it could have gone over so much better than it did.
Going back to Handsome Jack, with him, I loved hearing his voice even when he was dissing us.
With both Troy and Tyreen, I found them rather grating and immature. Like they had to insult us because their ego's were that frail, rather than Jack who had that "ok sweetie, love to hate you too" kinda energy.
@@Jeikobu the writers were so shit that they realised they could only write for cringey characters
I feel out of the twins, Troy was the most wasted potential. I feel you could keep a lot of Tyreen stuff if they did more with Troy
Especially concerning Tyreen and her dreamily talking about Aurelia killing her own brother... Where is the follow-up on that? It would have made a massively different storyline. Possibly even one where Troy would have been forced to switch sides after an attempt by Tyreen, or Troy could have killed her in said attempt, leaving him the solo baddie with all her powers as well. Both in my opinion would have been much better endgame stories.
They are wasted potential, made worse that the moment Troy starts to get any real characterization and an actual spine to start pushing back against his more domineering sister...he dies. There was a real change to his character there, compared to Tyreen who starts as a bitch, and stays a bitch.
I understand that people loved the raid bosses in Borderlands 2, but as someone who never had friends that played borderlands, at least to the end game, they were always so far out of reach that I never cared about them cause I never came close to defeating them.
Have you tried any of the Takedowns in BL3?
Mate, I'm the same, after years of playing the borderlands series I'm still the only one out of all my friends who plays any of the borderlands series. But I have done multiple farms of the raids bosses in bl2 except that gaint stalker in hammerlock dlc. You just need to be patient and get the right gear. If you just want to cheese them just gate crush master Gee or bore hyperius if you are zero, or just play broken Salvador at engame (ahab-pimp glitch). They are solo-able just do some research (there are plenty of tutorials of bl2 raid bosses) and gear up. I'm not trying to be a smart arse or anything just trying to help another player as much as I can.
Oh just a heads up, hyperius and Vora got bugged in op10 so now they have double the health they suppose to have, hyperius is still doable but Vora... I don't even know how to cheese that one. Just don't do the gaint stalker raid boss in the hammerlock dlc.
I have to agree. With friends, raid bosses can be a fun challenge (except for Master Gee, fuck him), but tbh unless you really know how to cheese the game, beating the raid bosses solo is almost impossible on your own-not to mention it depends on the character you use. Like, if you play Krieg or Zer0 you have a much better chance at soloing, but anyone else and you’ve got an upward climb.
Same
Here’s a “worst” for the list: the cutscene fights were awful, ESPECIALLY Lilith vs Tyreen. You gave us TWO SIRENS fighting each other, women hyped up to be able to solo entire armies with magic, and it was the most one sided shit fight I’ve ever seen. It make Chief vs Locke in Halo 5 look good, and that’s saying something. Make it more explosive: don’t even tell me that they don’t have the money for it, they definitely did, they just didn’t want to put in the effort here for some reason
We have an entire game where the characters never appear lmao. Ava was given the crimson raiders instead of literally any other character we know.
@@zachrohler1047 they could’ve replaced the “talk to Lilith” moments with cutscenes, the four vault hunters interacting more with Lilith and other crimson raiders, it would’ve been a great way to flesh them out more, and it would be definitely be skippable, meaning you dont have to deal with waiting for Lilith to finish talking, then everyone can be happy
Plot... they had to make the twins look OP.
@@sickandafraid or she could just talk over the echo lol
@@zachrohler1047 I _kind of_ get why Ava was put in that position, based on some of the "behind the scenes" stuff, but as a character she never got the on-screen development that really could have sold it.
If there had been something that showed her acting more "leader-like", as well as more actively consulting with veteran characters, that would make it work better.
I appreciate how much you put into speaking both the praises and shortcomings of this game, but just one point on Ava - part of why some of the community (myself included) is because she doesn’t feel like she does anything that Maya couldn’t have. She could have been a slightly whiny side character that became more tolerable as the story progressed, and if they had to kill off Maya for the story, make it actually feel like Ava cared for her instead of... what they ended up doing.
FiGurE it OUt LiLItH!!
I think she was there for me to get stuck in and have to restart the game
If I had to choose between going back to slag and keeping anointments...I'll keep the anointments...I really hated having to rely on slag
Yea slag was awful and didn't add anything to the game. Glad that's gone. I do like anointments but they need to tweak that system if they're gonna keep it around. So many useless or undesirable ones in the mix.
@@Oceanborn712 Yup. The first step should be limiting character-specific anoints to that character. I don’t want your damn Iron Cub anoints FFS, I’m playing Zane!
Slag has been incorporated into the skill trees in various ways already and with weapons like the piss grenade. I think they've got character stat points (strength, dexterity, etc.) planned for Wonderlands which might end up doing the same for anointments by keeping boosts tied with how you've spent those points. They probably won't make it a choice between one or the other
I'd take slag over annoints any day if it meant Ava and the entire BL3 main story line never existing
Annointmnents would have been fine if they had been introduced as minor little min/max boosts rather than the defining factor of an item
For me the best improvement by far is the gunplay in BL3.
I think the effervescent rarity introduced in the Commander Lilith DLC has some potential to be the Borderlands version of set legendaries. I'd like to see it make a comeback in future titles.
If they can update BL2 7 years later, they can update BL3. I hope they do!
I remember seeing something saying it would be back (I don't know what the source was, it was a while ago and may have just been a bad rumour); that made not even getting pearls rough ngl
Effervescent gear is so lame, oh look it‘s either op or just a copy of an existing gun with a sparkly skin
@@GunGun-cf3ss This is mostly because, all they did is add a sparkly reskin on an existing gun
One thing i dislike was the relation between Vaungh and Rhys, they aren't bros anymore, don't even have a chat between them, i feel like TFTB was throwed in the trash :(
14:16 agreed, mayhem 2.0 was THE WORSE thing ever add in a borderlands game
I'd honestly take the crappy modifiers over a constant under level penalty any day
I would say they are still bros but they never gave them lines together which is what your trying to get at during the story they were on 2 completely different planets and granted Rhys definitely had the tech to go to Vaughn but after you finish the game killing tyreen during the credits there’s a pic of Vaughn and Rhys together in an atlas desk that they probably shoulda incorporated dialogue between them in the game or a mission but instead the only reason we know they are still friends is if you actually watched the credits😭
@@nathanhendrickson790 Plus if you manage to get modifiers that don’t completely fuck you over, they can be fun. My Mayhem 6 Zane has Speed Demon, Healy Avenger, Mob Mentality, and Laser Fate.
One of my favourite new additions is how much more of a change class mods gives to your character
Instead of just some stat ans skill increases they actually add entirely new small abilities to your character
I LOVE using mine sweeper on moze and gaining all those extra mini grenades on critical hits
My biggest beef with BL3 is the story and game design. The presequel and tales from had better stories. Scooter died in a spin off game and his death was handled so much better then Maya's. Jack's origin makes sense and it explains why he tried to murder everyone. My favorite part of BL2, there was very little back tracking. Theyre was a teleport station or exit near the end of every mission
SCOOTER'S DEAD?
@@aldenrupert2290 oh you didnt play tales from the Borderlands 2 fight for sanctuary DLC
@@aldenrupert2290 you need to play Tales from the Borderlands game, great story, great music and some of the best characters in any borderlands game
I really liked Athenas but I do wish there was more. I could say that Joey’s planet has a Athenas feel
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This. Whenever I drop into Villa Ultraviolet I think the map could be another part of Athenas.
And more TRAUNT!
@@MakeWeirdMusic I want to see a Tediore takedown with a giant boss with a tanky health bar. But it’s body and extra parts are weapons that can be used against you. Almost like a tediore chuck
@@joshuasummers9174And make it so it chucks it when the part takes too much damage, making the boss take a decent chunk of damage but also dealing massive damage (and make it maybe bypass healthgate and give 2nd winds)
Best thing? Tannis backside.
Slightly more serious answer: I love the gunplay and mobility in BL3. Especially Dahl weapons feel so good. They went from my least favorite manufacturer in BL2 to my favorite in BL3. And I like the concept of the Takedowns and I hope those return in Wonderlands and beyond. Just a bit more refined of course.
The thing I like the least is the contant going back to the Sanctuary. On PS4 going from Eden 6 to the Sanctuary and back to Eden 6 can take around 3-5 minutes of loadings screens just so I can talk to Tannis or Lilith for 20 seconds.
Same but with Hyperion. Between the Redistributor and the absolute chad that is the Butcher, they're my second favorite now. I still like Jakobs slightly better, but that’s only because I love the Clairvoyance so much.
Also spawning in at the back of the ship, having to run all the way to the front to talk to someone or travel to the next planet, and then run back to use the drop pod, seemed like 100 times
I agree on mobility/movement and gunplay. Would be my top 1 and 2. Both got massive improvements imo and are big factors on why the game just feels so good.
Very cool vid, I always appreciate your objectivity. Something that bothered me a lot and broke a hope I had entering the game for the first time is how little the playable vault hunters are involved in the story, being completely erased from cutscenes and such. We still have savoury dialogs thanks to good voice actors and (some) good character writing, but that's it.
Planets is a cool concept until you think back to BL2 hammerlock dlc looks oddly similar to Eden-6
Yeah, but canonically it was on Pandora
Pandora is like earth similar locations look the same as on different planets.
Yeah, honestly if it wasn't outright said that every planet was another planet, all of them could have easily been on Pandora.
@@Jeikobu Nope just Eden-6 looks way too much like Hammerlock's Big Game Hunt. Promethea and Athenas don't look remotely like they belong on Pandora (though Athenas was criminally small compared to the other maps).
You can argue Nekrotefeyo and all the Trials since Eridian structures can honestly be out anywhere and you'd be none the wiser which planet you were on, but I feel that's beside the point.
@@whisperingshadowXI Promethea just looks mostly like a city, nothing about it is really specific and could easily be on Pandora
Athenas just looks mostly like a mountain range village, and going further it could very well be just outside of the city we are in on Promethea
My point being, literally every planet really doesn't have much of an identity outside of "Singular environment Sci-Fi planet" which given how much of Pandora we have seen could very easily fit them in.
I thought the meta commentary on social media "influencers" was really apt for this day and age, so I found that angle with Calypsos really cool. Like, follow, obey isn't far off from reality.
Definitely agree that no pearlescent rarity was weird.
I kept secretly hoping that they were just so rare, no one had gotten one yet. But, it never came to be.
especially now with streamers like dream with rabid stans that are eerily close to the cov viewers, just less murderous
@@MrcreeperDXD777 yet
@@MrcreeperDXD777 yeah but to make them the main villain of the game just didn't feel like it went with everything else in there backstory
That‘s just too WOKE for Borderlands
Borderlands will forever remain a legendary series.
👑KING OF LOOTER SHOOTERS👑
@@nucklehead718 the absolute definitive looter shooter
Borderlands 2 is the magnum opus of Gear Box
From where I stand I would've loved a couple more takedowns. Maybe a takedown at the Hyperion prison where an invincible broke out and took control now you have to fight through the prison to get to the fight, and maybe they could've added a wildlife takedown with hermivourous and vermivourous at the end. Then just add a classic mode to all 4 that unlocks after beating the takedown at least once where for 500 eridium you can skip straight to the raid boss
Amara transition towards the end was smooth af but I agree with all of this. Especially the part about the story, Maya's funeral scene, and lack of Athenas. The most beautiful planet gets one map, a super memorable character gets a less memorable death, and the story is even more forgettable. I love the game, wholeheartedly. Don't get me wrong. And Troy was being set up to look like he'd betray Tyreen but ya know. Both of the cringe twins were, well, annoying and cringey. Katagawa could've been the final boss or close to it. But hey, bl3 as a whole, is a good, very fun and beautiful game.
Good game, shit story and even shittier writing
the fights against the Calypsos where still fucking awesome ..... also giving the destroyer a round 2 was a cool callback. like. "How often do i have to kill you stupid tentacle fucker?"
@@Knuspermonster they Troy fight was good, the Tyrene one where you jump on her back was probably the worst boss fights of the whole game though, so easy and not fitting the final boss
Fan favourite siren duo gone, and you left with Ava & Tannis. Let that sink in lol.
Borderlands 3 was never going to have a villain that surpassed Handsome Jack. Handsome Jack is one of the greatest antagonists in video game history, it's not an easy task to replicate or surpass that. That said, it COULD have been done. But with fans demanding new products within a relatively short time frame and the need to renew the brand, there likely just wasn't enough time to create a new Handsome Jack. He ticked basically every box that can be checked by a villain, and he was hilarious to boot, which made us all love him despite the fact we hated him as well. Honestly to create a character worthy of succeeding him and surpassing him is a task any developer would struggle with. Because they'd inevitably run into difficulties trying to make them similar but different, and it'd end up feeling like a knock off version of him. With the way the universe is set up, I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to Palpatine his way into the next game somehow. Be the man controlling everything, including whoever you believe is the main villain. It didn't work for Star Wars but thats because of their piss poor writing. Just imagine having a scene appear after the "big bad" of the next installment is defeated and Handsome Jack's voice comes out of a speaker and says "Wow! Long time no see sweetheart! You've been busy! Me? Well it's kind of a long story, but let's just say that I'm awesome and leave it at that...k pumpkin?"
And boom...a road to the following game with hype out the ass because we get to go against Jack, who's had all these years to spend plotting and building tech that is going to absolutely fuck us up when we see him.
This is an unsettlingly good idea. If Gearbox sees this, I both hope and dread they use it
Pollution, Pollution, Pollution! I miss the visual simplicity of BL1 and BL2
Katagawa would've been great as a main villain.
Introducing our new vault hunters as just "hired guns" to investigate, no need for something world-ending scale and focus on the characters more.
Then to make the scale growing bigger into our characters finally becoming Vault Hunters, making that almost a "prestige" of a role/title, rather than something kids or weak characters (Tales of the Borderlands) to have.
K6, I had my Mom's funeral this morning, and watching this just now brought a huge smile on my face for the first time. Thanks for all your vids dude.
So sorry for your loss man
Although I disagree about no longer having to farm weapon parts, since I PERSONALLY like farming for highest damage rolls alongside perfect anointments. But even with that it 100% is still a lot easier on this game over BL2. The people that complain about drop rates being too high either need something to complain about, or don’t go for good anointments or good prefixes/parts. Otherwise the argument doesn’t make sense to me. Been watching you and joltz for the past 6 - 7 years and you both consistently put out great content. Great video and keep up the good work!!!
I personnaly don’t like the drop rates of BL3. even though I spend thousand hours of both games, I like playing the game casually, without looking for specific weapon parts/anointments. In fact, the game is easy enought to be completed without looking for any of this stuff. No, the complains about drop rate is linked to the topic of pearlescent drop : I need something to hunt, something visually extraordinary, not something like looking in a pile of dozen similars items just to get the extra 2% damage or a side effect that matters most than the weapon itselft…
@@XthundesrtruckX I agree with ya on pearlescent’s, it would be nice to have a super rare type of weapon good or bad. But I can’t agree with you about annointments, the most that do is make bad/subpar weapons usable. But good weapons like the monarch and free radical don’t need them. The most they do is let you kill bosses faster than you would have. But you’d be perfectly capable without them. Just my opinion though. I wasn’t a fan at first but after time with changes I don’t mind them anymore.
I absolutely hated bl2's drop rates. Farming is easily the least fun part of borderlands. I mean I probably put at least a 1000 hours into bl2, and I finally got my first sham about a month before bl3 came out. I really loved the drop rates for bl3 and I really hope they don't revert back to that for the next game.
The drop rate is way too high, a boss dropping 3+ "legendarys" all the time means it is not legendary at all, it is just a item that drops all the time, I cleared the game in couple of days and had absolutely nothing to do because it was way too easy, so I stopped playing it.
After farming for the Twister and Norfleet for days add to that farming for the perfect parts and prefix...I will say the last thing you would want to complain are the high drop rates of good loots
The combat augments are cool, groundbreaker in particular. They should see how that idea applies to other sources of damage because it's very satisfying to build up toward a big hit and then use it to take out a particular enemy
Having only recently been exposed to BL3 I guess I can say I'm lucky to have not experienced most of these downsides but all the upsides. And that's coming straight off the back of the last two years playing BL2 damn near exclusively. BL3 just feels so much better. As for the points regarding challenges/endgame content, that's never bothered me as I was never good enough to take on a raid boss anyway. Hell, I still struggle from time to time on M11. But it's not so bad that I get turned off of playing.
to be fair, raid bosses in bl2 sucked ass like no tomorrow, can't blame abyone for not bothering killing them
can't agree more with no.9
my favorite quote is still this after you kill an transformed goliath they sometimes say "Now i'm dead on the outside too!" my alltime favorite line XD
I don’t think the twins where that terrible. They had the same issue I had with Ava, the writing doesn’t make you care about them until it’s too late. You didn’t need to reveal they where Typhon’s kids until the end, put it right out in the beginning. That would have made them far more interesting and deepen their motivations.
Cutting the funeral was the worst thing they could have done to Ava’s character. After I say that I actually started to want to see her grow as a person. Also putting her story on a side quest was a poor decision as well. How many players said “wow that’s girl is terrible I don’t want anything to do with her” immediately, even more so after she got Maya killed, never playing that quest.
I agree man, I will admit at first Ava really sucked, but I think it's less she's written badly but more she was just anoyying, but with DLC6 and the new Ava side quests, I really loved her charcter development, she has potential and I hope in BL4, Gearbox does her justice
I never really understood the relentless hate some people seem to have for Ava. She is by no means a favourite character for me, I agree that there's some bad writing there (though the voice actor nailed her performance), but it's not like she single-handedly _ruined_ the game.
I absolutely agree that cutting out the funeral scene was a big mistake. There would have been ways to manage pacing and still keep it in the game.
Her diary side quest isn't even that well written either, they constantly make fun of her and treat the whole thing as a massive joke while Ava tries to hide behind her tough kid act. The side quest focuses less on her backstory and more haha stupid diary, Pvt. Beans is being a dick
i never cared about the 3 of em no matter what
@@patrikhjorth3291 I agree. Ava’s not that great, but she’s not a turn-off for me in the slightest. Although I would’ve rather they implement the funeral at some point in the story, idc if it’s in some crappy spot
Imagine if you will if the Malliwan corporation started to loot Helios for scrap and technologies when a younger Katagawa Jr picks up Rhys’ digistruct eye. Boom handsome Jack now uses Katagawa Jr and Malliwan to open the great vault. He hires Tyreen and Troy, two siren hunters to capture as many of the sirens as possible to use them as batteries.
Better plot than BL3 right there
Love to see the Cherami shout-out. She is one of my favorites VAs and is in a TON of popular IPs. SAO, Fairy Tail, Nier Automata, Kaze no Stigma, Cyberpunk, and many many more.
Wait which character did she voice in Fairy Tail and SAO?
@@rangermidjo3948 Lucy in Fairy Tail and Asuna in SAO. Basically the main female protags.
@@brawler5760 thanks mate
Adding on to your number 2 point of the best things we got. I feel like we as a community should be thankful to gearbox for never relying on microtransactions or loot boxes to make their money like 99% of games out there. Borderlands is a franchise that has never implemented microtransactions. That’s why I’m always happy to spend money on borderlands DLC. The developers can monetize the game and we get awesome content in return.
EXACTLY.
I don’t think the story of borderlands 3 is bad. I do think the Calypso twins are so weak as villains (even without comparing them to Jack) that they’re unable to carry the story. Katagawa was a far better villain and his personality was more in line with Handsome Jack’s level of villainy while the twins make me want to watch a TH-cam video until their screen time is over. We didn’t necessarily need a brand new Jack for borderlands 3 but it seems like that’s what GB was going for and they failed to deliver.
The story was fine, but the Calypsos never made you laugh like Jack did. Jack was like the guy you hated, but still would have a beer with. The Calypsos were just annoying.
the story was fucking awsome up to rhys and the maliwan takedown, hands down my favorite scenario out of all the borderlands games, but god damn after that the game slows down soooo bad, when you get to nekrotafeyo you just stop listening to the story because it's going at snails pace
@Slyvester AKA spookmcskull my thoughts exactly, look forward to Promethea for that reason everytime I start a new game, then prepare myself for the mess that is Eden-6 & Nekrotafeyo.
Think the twins wouild have gone up a notch if Tyreen's reaction to Troy's death hadn't been "oh, whatever" and been more along the line of Jack's reaction to his daughter's death: grief mixed with hatred. The villain hating us for what we've done would be great. Tyreen became a monster at the end literally and it was boring as hell.
Getting a fully level group of randoms who had decent builds, gear, and a brain then finally killing the immortal dragons and rolling all the dice chests for sub-10 is literally my favorite video game memory of all time, no raid bosses is a worthy #1.
A HUGE miss from the top 10 bad things is the new match making system, borderlands 2 match browser was perfect for its age, the ONLY flaw is a nitpick in that it didnt tell you what mission was currently on going. I dont think I've ever had more than 1 random person in my always public lobby in my 300+ hrs in BL3.
I honestly felt that Ava was treated more like a plot device than an actual character really; and I understand the conditions at the time, but I feel like Krieg's DLC could have been expanded more since there's no mention of Ava or Troy in his questline.
It was something that was fixed later but no designated drops for a long time after launch was a huge problem for the game too. By the time the DLCs came out, people were burnt out because they would just farm graveward for everything, and that slow start to the game ended up ruining the future of the game for a lot of people
I'm a very simple guy and the annoint system made me play it less, went back to bl2 AND TPS. And in that I found TPS was actually fun and the story was actually pretty good etc
But when I last played I did love the upgrades bl3 made
Are you still playing bl2 and TPS or made a return to bl3 or just outright stopped playing borderlands?
@@kobragaming9420 for some reason im only getting this now 😂
But I went back to bl3 after this and the changes are amazing imo
Still play bl2 and TPS. Just got a PS5 so I have to start over on everything. Bl3 on PS5 is GAME CHANGING.
@@kobragaming9420 and sorry idk why it literally just sent me this noti 5 minutes ago
I agree with the “We need villains we love to hate”. Almost any time the twins came around it was hard for me to be interested because I felt like they were trying to hard to be annoying and jus didn’t offer that much unique or memorable dialogue. I also understand that Ava is a teenager and that is how they act but she still left a negative impact on me. Its hard to change a first impression of a character even when you see their backstory. And i never understood why she became the new leader. I know she has potential to be a leader but i feel like as a child she should not be in a position where a lot of people depend on her to make the right choices. She can at least be trained up to it before taking on all of that responsibility.
Now that you mention it I miss pearls, man the feeling was crazy even if it wasn’t the most desirable pearl it’s like brooo I just got something that’s crazy rare
Guaranteed Arms race dedicated drops from the chests!
im so glad you mentioned wainright and gaige! i loved everything you said about them. The bounty of blood dlc carried on the awesome accents and was probably one of my favorite parts of the game!
How cool would it have been if Katagawa faked his death and was manipulating the twins the whole time because of something he was researching on Nekrotafeyo or something along those lines?
When did he die?
@@indiana47 You kill him. He's the boss at the end of the Atlas HQ map.
@@theslay66 Can't believe I forgot that.
The things I like most about bl3 are how viable melee is in endgame and of course Zane
i would like a visual filter (i have to look away during gravewards death) and some maps need more fast travel spots, especially when playing in true vault hunter mode. id like to see a weapon fusion system that lets players combined two weapons from different manufactures to create a hybrid weapon.
6:36 he just started to spit bars
Very well constructed lists. One thing you missed I think is the drop rates and drop sources. While yes they did change some things to spread out the loot pools, I think they could do a little more, including a slight increase in some drops.
Agreed and I offered them another 7 named enemies that don’t respawn or have a drop
@@Ki11ersix aside from that I think balancing the weapon damage would be helpful. Snipers got a buff across the board, but still underwhelming for items like the wedding invitation among others. And the malaks bane consuming too much ammo per shot. Not every gun needs a fix, but bring some of the more less than satisfying gear up to par just a little.
For positives for me I’d say: the multiple skill trees (especially FL4Ks), the legendaries (hello Lightshow) the individual dialogue of the characters...... even if the response is the same unlike the pre-sequel, and the dlc’s.
for cons: the dialogue: Ava, the misuse of Rhys and Vaughn, Ava, the twins, Ava, our lack of agency in the cutscenes, Ava.
Bl3 is also my favourite in the franchise and imo is severely underrated. Keep up the great work, I'm a long time fan and love watching your videos!
Thanks dude
I just came back to borderlands 3 after 1.5 years and it feels so much better than I remember it and I'm actually having fun!
A big positive for me as a PlayStation 5 owner is being able to play the game at 120fps! As a console gamer all my life, my first experience in playing a 120fps game was BL3 and man I can't go back to 60. I really hope wonderlands has a 120fps option for console as well
Yup 120 fps is a mind poison. 60fps feels jittery for me now that i got a 144hz monitor
Something I'd personally like to see in a future update is the option to save a setup of skills in a new-u station so that builds can be easily swapped between. And the same goes for the new-u colour schemes. Allowing us to easily save custom "presets" of skills and / or colour schemes, skins and head-customizations would really be an interesting addition in my opinion.
I really agree about pearlessence and sariph rarety not being here kinda suck because it took so much potential replayability out of the game if they were to add them I don't think it's gonna reach same long term playibility as bl2 enless they add a new rarety that's harder to get
timed delivery vehicle missions can go straight to hell
I was haopy jack wasn't in bl3, jack in bl2 bl:tps and tales, was enough, the thing with the twins is they are not threat to you its because you are a spectator, twins talk a lot but they ignore you as an enemy, in bl2 and tps you are the center of everything the story doesn't move with out you, in promethea you are just there that part its for Zero and Rhys katagawa talk and threats them more, in eden 6 its aurelia vs hammerlock and jakobs again you are just there. Any dlc of bl2 make the player more relevant that bl3 handsome jackpot, love and tentacles, and bount of blood make the player the centar again you need to help but they need you, kriegs dlc it amazing but its for krieg
rather than swapping action skills on 1 fl4k I made 4 fl4ks 1 for each pet type and action skill. so fade flak uses jabber, gamma flak uses bot, gravity snare flak uses Scag and Rakk-flak uses spider ant. leveling all 4 took awhile, but finding just the right skin and messing with the colors on each took longer.
I think the main problem with the villains and story in Borderlands 3 is that they aren't focused on the player character. They're rivals for Lilith and the Crimson Raiders. They hardly even talk to you directly, they're always mocking Lilith and other characters. You're just an afterthought.
What made Handsome Jack work was that he was always focused on the player. You start the game off having been betrayed and blown up by Handsome Jack, and you're out for revenge. Then he tricks YOU into doing his dirty work for him. It's about the relationship between the villain an the protagonist. Borderlands 3 makes the mistake of making NPCs the protagonists of the story, instead of the player character.
Handsome Jack also makes a mistake in BL2, by forgetting that Lilith was a siren. He was so focused on you giving him access to Sanctuary that he forgot about Lilith and she was able to teleport the city away. But then he LEARNS from that mistake and doesn't make it again, kidnapping Lilith to further his plans.
The Twins... they're just arrogant and focused on Lil the whole time. Even if you're playing a siren, they have no interest in you. It makes no sense if Amara is RIGHT THERE that they wouldn't try to leech her powers, too. But they never even talk to her.
The DLC stories for BL3 were much better because the DLC villains mostly focus on the player and the stories make you the focus of the story. It's just that the main story put the emphasis on NPCs.
As for Ava, if I could script-doctor this game? I'd have removed her from the game and given her role in the story to the player characters: Have the players argue with Lilith, have the players go off on a tear because they've been goaded into making a mistake by the Twins, have Maya die because of something WE did, and then have us try to get revenge and make peace with Lilith. Same arc, but make it about the players instead of NPCs. The story would have been much more compelling and the villains would have meant much more to us.
I don't think anyone should compare Handsome Jack to the Calipso Twins just because Jack had several games of character development :) Still one of my fav vilians! Great video as always K6!!!!
Loved BL3 as a whole. Handsome Jackpot is for me one the best DLCs ever done to a BL game. Just loved the atmosphere and characters. Would loved if we got more of the DLCs quality in the main story though
My Moze isn't only built around one specific weapon type, but also one manufacturer. Pistols only and Torgue only Unkempt Harold build (all elements) with Iron Cub, Revolter, Torgue Company Man and Mind Sweeper. Got as much Pistol and Weapon Damage on my gear as possible paired with Action Skill Cooldown Reduction and I can semi spam my Action Skill and keep up my Revolter for a good amount of time. Does melt most of things.
I actually quite e joyed the Calypsos. I thought they were a pretty good satire of modern streamer culture, especially recently where divisive public figures can build up quite a culty following in actual real life.
And as an older player with a teenage daughter, I can safely say, in Ava's defence, they're just like that! 😉
No mention of Arms Race. I personally really liked it, just wish they had added more maps, or a way to continue playing/progressibgif you've found good gear and reckon you could go again (or even better, progress to a second or third map)
Great video though, well thought out and I think you got it pretty much bang on.
11:52 I think steam achievements fuel my desire to play some games, sometimes. I like to think i show off that I've played a game through, and try to do everything in it.
Also, having all my games in one place is something i really love to have! If Epic was around before Steam, I'm sure i would be using that instead (although, i like Steam's use community, workshop, profiles, achievements, etc. Also all the seasonal events they do)
You didn't mention my #1 most hated thing about BL3... Anointed enemies and the overuse of them.
Really dumb having to sometimes fight upwards of 4 or 5 of these at the same time!!!
oh god yes they are just so fucking annyoing and eat unnecery amounts of dmg
It says so much about the improvements to the gunplay in bl3 that Dahl managed to become one of my favorite manufacturers next to Jacobs. I cant quite put my finger on what it is that makes it so much better than bl2, but it just FEELS good to use
I can say one thing; They aren’t limited to one firing mode from the hip and another in scope anymore. You can actually switch them on the fly.
You hit it pretty square on the head sir.
I am going to be firing the game back up in the near future, and poking around the new vault card(s)? (did they release all 3 now?) but I'm just not sure how much love is left for me with BL3. The final level cap, with no new content (I know, I know, we got the seasonal events permanently. I mean NEW) was such a kick in the teeth for me, especially when it just cemented a complete abandonment of the idea that they weren't just going to throw skill points at players, because the skill trees were supposed to be more impactful in BL3.
I defended GBX for a while. I stuck with them through some very rough patches.
But it just felt like they either didn't learn from the backlash when they made mistakes, or just didn't care.
Having a massive Farming Event and then following it up with previously unannounced level cap increase MULTIPLE TIMES was just too much for me.
Maybe I'll swing back through for Wonderlands. You're still one of the best streamers in the biz, and even though I don't get to watch because of the new job, I'm letting that subscription ride. You deserve it.
Thanks dude
Started playing borderlands 3 again a couple of days ago. Last time I played it was 2021 and boi has it been a breathe of fresh air. I play with my cousin, who introduced me to borderlands 2 back in 2012, and we enjoyed borderlands 3 more than ever. We rebooted with new characters and man, the game was so much smoother and less buggy making gameplay feel exponentially better.
welcome back! I have TONS of BL3 videos with info on gear, builds and more. Hit me with any questions too.
I miss pearlescent gear, and I think many players wanted another tier of rarity to chase in the endgame. This would most likely extend the longevity of bl3 because with how generous the game is with loot drops. I think having another tier to grind new rarity gear would be something to keep players invested well after wonderlands comes out. But I'd imagine the devs are trying to focus more on TTW than bl3 now that it's been announced.
I feel like if they just added pearls in BL3 and made them as rare as they were in BL1 and add 1 new raid boss and a new armory that have a chance of dropping pearls it would add endless replay value. If they don’t add them I feel like they aren’t going to add them to wonderlands either which wonderlands will end up in the same state as borderlands 3 is in now
@@canontheory Yeah. 1 more raid boss/takedown would be so satisfying. Or like you said, a big chest room like the armory dlc. Vaulthaulla is cool, don't get me wrong. It's just not as expansive as the original Knox boss chest room from bl1. I also hope that TTW shows more loot diversity via the melee weapons or spells that they incorporate in game. Maybe even a new tier of rarity to chase after. I'd be happy with that or pearls either way.
Great video I agree with everything, Next 2 mags is my favorite anointment adding elements to any gun is genus. But there is way to may anointments. I also Jakobs needs a buff so many of them just feel weak, Remember, if it took more than one shot, you weren't using a Jakobs! is kind of lost in end game.
I totally agree with everything you said. EruptionFang did a whole video just on how Ava failed as a character. You should check it out.
Troy should have been the true villain. His villain arc was ramping up after being the leech of his sister and then he finally got power from Maya
I understand not liking to spend money lol however I will say that the amount of content you get in the borderlands 3 season passes are ridiculous for the price. Honestly it feels like both season passes combined is a whole new game
I personally missed TPS' personalized interactions between playable characters and non-playable ones. Like yeah the playable characters have their own unique dialogue, but other characters still just kept calling them "Vault Hunter", even after your character introduced themself. For all of TPS' flaws, that's one thing that it did right, the character interactions. Moxxi had unique words depending on whether she was talking to Athena, Claptrap, Timothy, Nisha, etc, and so did Jack, among other characters. Hell they had such a long base game that they could've easily done *more* of that than TPS.
Like, for example: Amara meeting Lilith. Amara seems to recognize the significance of meeting another siren, Lilith acts the same no matter if it's Amara or not. They really could have done some more with that. In Arms Race, they could've had Axton commenting on the similar backgrounds between him and Moze. Or Fl4k and Mordecai in the base game bonding over both having pets helping them in battle, or Fl4k and Zer0 comparing notes on each other's tactics when they go invisible. They just missed quite a bit of character interaction potential.
Sidenote: Why don't we have any scenes of Krieg meeting Ava? Ava is literally the person who inherited Maya's powers, that's going to have significance to Krieg. Ava would've been a great addition to the Krieg DLC and given more opportunity for her character to be developed more. And her seeing Maya again in Krieg's mind... yeah.
Side-sidenote: Also why does Krieg have Lilith, Brick and Mordecai in his mind but not Roland? Sure he wasn't around Roland as long but Roland was the nicest of the 4 original VHs, a calm presence, and well Roland literally dies in front of Krieg (like he did for all of 2's VHs). Another missed opportunity.
Favorite dlc by far of them all is Krieg's, it's the only dlc that I played a few times over simply because of the story along with the smaller side quests that also add even more about him. It wasn't too long and everything was rather direct with getting things done with no excess dialogue. At the end of each boss, you learn about what Krieg thought of those involved, etc.
You are such a positive person k6, it's very refreshing. Besides the fact that half of the time I don't know where my enemies are or what I'm shooting at and annointments are dumb I don't really dislike much about bl3. It's a good game all in all. I just never find myself wanting to play it much, it never captivated me. That's okay though, no game will ever please everyone. I'm glad you really enjoy it though, I'm sure it makes content easier and more fun.
I want an entire borderlands game done with narration like The third DLC
Agreed!
I agree, the Twins, I had a hard time taking them seriously, especially in the Subway/Train Station (although really funny), where they're making Fart Jokes, and "Butt Stink" jokes.
@HuntersWrath There was one point in the story where I thought that the twins were going to turn on each other, when Troy started to get resentful about being bossed around, and that he could only drain powers and give them to Tyreen, and she was basically treating him like a battery.
I had a lots of problems at launch, then took 3 months off playing till picking it up again and enjoy it. I don't think i have enough space to write all my thoughts but here are some. Story the twins should've had more or two sides the on air that everyone sees, then "serious evil villian" they only show to you. (They kinda do it near the end.) Have the main heroes act dumb send in a siren again someone who steals powers, giving control of raids to Ava not someone older with leadship experience (like Axton or have brick and moricci step up) on the more of Axton they added 4 of the 6 bl2 characters in dlcs but having them in base game in form of echo logs would've been nice. No needing or wanting to play tvhm These are some of my main ideas others that were fixed legendarys didn't feel special, no target dummy to test on from start. And more fun game but 2 is still my favorite.
Yeah, the Calypso twins didn't reach the same levels of prestige as Handsome Jack. But Jack was a diamond in the rough. He's a superb villain. Batted damn near perfect.
They hit their stride with that game with that one character, so of course nothing else will measure up.
Another dishonorable mention should be the state of the game on console. Even two years after launch it is still a complete buggy mess
Borderlands 3 in a nutshell:
Gameplay Good
Story Bad
Ava Worst
Gun With Legs
Loved the run down and I agree with all you said. I would have added one thing. Tiny Tina. She doesn't look seven years older. She looks like a 45 year old meth head. She wasn't funny, she came across as a used up and sad waste of a person. She was one of my favorite things about BL2 and I wish they had left her out of 3 instead of giving us the Tina they did.
It's time for another thrilling episode of "Points and counter-points from the Dragon!"
Best #10: Quicker farming. No argument here. While I played BL3, farming for *Insert thing here* was indeed much smoother and faster. However, one thing you mention in this part: "Loot pools are crowded." Far too much in the pools made for many hours of getting multiple things I didn't want, to POSSIBLY get something I did.
#9: Audio and visual improvements. Again, no argument here. And much like you in this part, I'll save the pollution for later.
#8: Characters: Yes, this installment of BL has some of the most memorable characters ever. Interactions between most work, some don't.......and ICE CUBE IS A FOUL-MOUTHED TEDDY BEAR!!!
#7: Maliwan Takedown: Yes.......'nuff said.
#6: Balancing: Here, I must disagree. Reach lv. 72, go to Mayhem anything, get pretty much any gun, one shot everything without a forced invincibility period. Even then, you one shot them TO the invincibility period. That's not balanced. That's Salvador, everyone's favorite cheat code in BL2. Every vault hunter in BL3 is Salvador. Get that one gun, one class mod, and one artifact, and you're an invincible, infinite ammo/grenade, no ultimate cooldown having walking nightmare. Everyone was so angry with BAR in BL2, that they turned it off, but even without Guardian rank on, everyone can one-shot God Mode everything. BL2 was better. Godliness was earned. BL3, it's given.
#5 DLC writing: Absolutely. If only, like you said, the main story had followed suit, many might be still playing it today. We'll get into pre-pubescent pre-teens later.
#4: Legendary diversity. Agreed, but it was way too diverse. You one breath named nearly 25 things, out of the few hundred available at this point. Given you probably named the better ones, and not the ones you look at, and say "Why the fu** is this on my screen?!!", which is most of the stuff in the game. And much like every BL game, the lesser loot, *Purple and below* are just renamed versions of the same item. Same power, accuracy, handling, mag size etc., different name. Large diversity is not always a good thing.
#3: Build variety: Yep, one build to one shot mobs, and one build to one shot bosses. Such a large variety. And mayhem just makes it worse. As mentioned in #6, get a lv. 72 mayhem anything gun, mod and artifact and BAM, instant Godhood. UVHM in BL2, yes, wasn't the most balanced thing, but it made you properly strategize your VH to the task at hand, not just get something that shoots death skulls to blow everything up.
#2: Free stuff!!!!!!: Indeed, but the free stuff, I don't think was more along the lines of "Have these free goodies just to have them.", more than it was "We are SO sorry that the endgame is absolute sh**. We forgot how to make raid bosses and pearls and gave you literally NOTHING to do after you beat the game. Take this free stuff as our humble apology."
HM: Multiple planets with multiple maps. Yeah, we all got tired of sitting on Pandora when there was an obviously large galaxy with many, many vaults out there, waiting to be hunted. No problems with this one.
#1: Quality of life changes. Although I absolutely agree with this, you said it yourself. It took Gearbox seeing what their PLAYERS were doing with community patches to say "Hey, we've been fu**ing it up all these years, we should do this right." If they want BL4 to be done right, they should hire the players to code it. We seem to do it right.
with ava and tina, the problem is that, it felt like they tried to make a modern tina, and didnt quite stick the landing. and, honesty, it isnt that interesting, given, its a re-hash of tinas back story
orphaned at a young age, left to fend for herself for a while
Yep makes ava even more pointless imo
So what I liked about BL3 was that is was more casual in a good way, a lot of borderlands games can be especially brutal to first timers. BL1 comes to mind as level gaps there could be deadly. And TPS had some of the hardest most gruelling bosses of the series. So it was a nice change of pace to not get absolutely floored by a boss unless you were stupid. But the thing that made me dislike BL3 was that I don't feel like playing it all that much, after getting a couple of characters maxxed out there is very little motivation to get back into the grinding loop. To put it into comparison TPS made me want to make a character for every skill tree option we had where as BL3 is like yes there is more character diversity, but less motivation to see it to its potential. I guess mainly the lack of content probably is a driving factor but idk maybe I need to try co-op to refresh my perspective.
Sad that the Twin who actually had some character development died early. Tyreen was the weaker of the Calypso twins character wise. Heck, it would have been more interesting if Troy would have snapped from years of slights and verbal abuse and murdered Tyreen, stealing her powers and going insane as you progress towards the final battle.
As for Ava, they completely messed up with her from the start. Making her a little less annoying when you meet here and making the battle for Athenas into a 'scared straight' moment to set her on a better path. Had she buckled down and started working to be better, than even her causing Maya's death could have been used for better character development, rather than leaving her as a brat after the invasion and her causing Maya's death.
I honestly thought that's what they were going for with Troy because he actually had that feeling. It really seemed like they were building up to him betraying Tyreen and killing her and seizing all the power for himself which would have made a much better ending for them but instead they backtracked on that last minute for some reason.
5:23 what side mission is being referenced? havn't played much of DLC2
The Burton Briggs side mission about his daughter
@@Ki11ersix thank you
From dlc 3 rose was a good villain
16:17 true but when it came to weapons like the crossroads and things such as that they went way too far. There's some weapons nowadays that are way stronger than that gun was back in it's prime. So why keep it nerfed?
Honestly love how you voice your opinion on the pluses of BL3 while emphasizing the negatives. While I hope BL4 comes out faster than the long break we received from 1to2 I do hope the next will be done right. Mayhem mode needs to be kept but no modifiers anoints can be kept but exclusive to pearls at a minimal rate to make pearls not only more desirable but increase the drive to farm. Great work also on painting out the screen pollution most of the time I just spray and pray making me just see little progression with some build which could be awesome but is lacked because of missed shots due to the screen pollution.
Good to know I'm not alone with the screen pollution thing.
Kind of a hassle, but I did find it absolutely hilarious learning that a combo of x2 Dictator and Zane's shield at point blank literally turned the screen solid white during the fight with Captain Haunt.
It's since been patched (thankfully) but it was gloriously dumb the first time I made that happen.
I am in the camp of hating Ava, however i think Vauhn might actually be my least favorite character in any game ive ever played. I actually quit and deleted the game for about a month before pushing through because he wouldnt shut up
Yo, I’m with you. Vauhn is unbelievably cringe. Everytime I see his dumb ass with his tighty whities and cape, I get so pissed.
You nailed it with the level cap increases. I know I could of just probably waited. But I played this game just about daily since launch. I farmed for the perfect weapons, that I wanted, so many times, that by the time the level cap hit 72, I was burnt out on farming. I was so lucky at lvl 65, had multiple CMT’s, a couple of close to perfect old gods, a Urad fire boom sickle, I even had a one shotter shield. And much more. Now my luck at 72 has been horrible. Making me even more burnt out on trying for those weapons again, when all I need is a revolter, a flipper, a light show, and a hell walker, and I can beat pretty much all the content in the game. I’m sure I’ll be back with time. But with a new game already on the horizon, maybe not.
Thank goodness the drop chance is high ALMOST making up for the 3 minute load times per screen, I also personally think bl3 is a bit too easy for what I want but it's great for a casual time
The majority of players want to be able to experience the entirety of the game. I would love to see higher mayhems for hardcore players though.
@@Ki11ersix yeah I personally dont like the balance but I can recognize how good it is for a majority
I gotta say, topping Handsome Jack is going to be a very big challenge
That being said, no game is ever going to be perfect. BL3 and the franchise as a whole, is engaging, fun and largely keeps players playing. There is a lot to be said for that tbh.
I love the characters, I love the story arcs, I LOVE THE LOOT. On top of that, there is a whole bunch of content dropped that I feel gives good bang for your buck. Gearbox LISTENS, to the community. It has a live game feel without being a live game. It reinvents itself with each new iteration, making each new game eagerly anticpated (take Tiny Tina's Wonderland, for example). There is as much new innovation as there is a familiar nod to the old.
So for me, I can forgive the shortcomings, because what is so good about the games, outweighs them.
Agree with this. I just started to fully understand the game fully a week ago and I’m hooked and even though there are short comings, they are easily forgivable for me. So much content and even love in one franchise. The amount of coding for all the guns and equipment had to be difficult. And sadly I sell most, almost feel bad doing so. Get addicted to the orange drops unfortunately. Anyhow, good comment.
i love the graffiti art work in the Handsome Jackpot dlc, i usually stop and take a second to admire the time and effort they put into making it and then i wonder if anyone else does this. i usually find the best pieces down a dead end and wonder why it was placed it such an out of the way spot.